President Donald Trump 2025

[arista]

President Trump now
hosting Black History Month
at the White House
with Guests

On USA News.

[Beso]

My old landlords name was kash Patel. Looks like him as well..

[Oliver_W]

President Trump now
hosting Black History Month
at the White House
with Guests

On USA News.

Inclusive King :love:

[Maru]

First Elon, now Trump talking about giving us all $5K checks. I like how we can think of doing everything but pay down the deficit... maybe wait until the aftermath—ideally good and wanted—is well established to start planning tax refunds? I don't see this as politically advantageous if they start handing out checks and then other services start having problems or falling apart..

[Glenn.]

It’s almost as though they don’t know what they’re doing :think:

[user104658]

First Elon, now Trump talking about giving us all $5K checks. I like how we can think of doing everything but pay down the deficit... maybe wait until the aftermath—ideally good and wanted—is well established to start planning tax refunds? I don't see this as politically advantageous if they start handing out checks and then other services start having problems or falling apart..

"If you don't have taxes, the things that are paid for through taxes will no longer work".

I don't know how we could possibly have seen this coming. It's not like it's baked into the foundations of civilisation going back to Ancient Babylon or anything like that.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Has the orange **** not died of a heart attack/musk died of a drug overdoes yet?

[Maru]

OZ1ZUd2AN70

[Crimson Dynamo]

Has the orange **** not died of a heart attack/musk died of a drug overdoes yet?

@mods James

I reported this disgusting post at lunchtime

why is it still on this site

[Beso]

Ate we still reporting things..

What's the point.

[Cherie]

Has the orange **** not died of a heart attack/musk died of a drug overdoes yet?

No fan of Trump or Musk but this is just childish

[user104658]

@mods James

I reported this disgusting post at lunchtime

why is it still on this site

Why are you? I reported your posts on the daily for a week before I got bored.

[Maru]

No fan of Trump or Musk but this is just childish

That's about the level many people grieve about politics these days, so I can't blame it entirely on one poster... it just seems to be a socially acceptable way to deal with things people don't agree with.

My favorite one I was discussing with the hub is when people suddenly are like "Oh, you voted for that X person/party! It's all on you then!"... as if they now to get a free pass to check out of any accountability for their own actions and behavior towards others... just because someone else voted or thinks a different way. It's that attitude which enabled the system and society we currently have, not how people have actually voted, imo...

[user104658]

No fan of Trump or Musk but this is just childish

Not childishness surely. Not on this serious, grown-up platform. I refuse to believe it Cherie.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GkgxGOCbQAASF_O?format=jpg&name=small

[user104658]

Imagine making an Elon-positive meme and using a picture where he's absolutely off his nut on "prescription" ket :joker:.

(Don't worry I know you didn't make it as you do not know how to use Windows Paint, and you simply copy and pasted this image from Xwitter)

[bots]

2 wrongs don't make a right

[Crimson Dynamo]

2 wrongs don't make a right

a stitch in time saves 9

[user104658]

2 wrongs don't make a right

Agreed, DOGE is making a ridiculous mess but in fairness the vaccine-dismissals should not have been legal either, ultimately a vaccination is a medical procedure and shouldn't be compulsory for employment.

There's an element of hindsight in that though; it was well intentioned at the time, and there was a belief that vaccination would be more effective at halting spread than it was.

The DOGE stuff is not well intention nor even honest; they lie in their reasoning constantly, because they know that their supporters don't understand enough about it to spot the lies. It's shameful.

[Alf]

One up the bum, no harm done

[bots]

Agreed, DOGE is making a ridiculous mess but in fairness the vaccine-dismissals should not have been legal either, ultimately a vaccination is a medical procedure and shouldn't be compulsory for employment.

There's an element of hindsight in that though; it was well intentioned at the time, and there was a belief that vaccination would be more effective at halting spread than it was.

The DOGE stuff is not well intention nor even honest; they lie in their reasoning constantly, because they know that their supporters don't understand enough about it to spot the lies. It's shameful.


Everyone knew it was nonsense from the moment the introduced things like vaccine passports. It was big government trying to control populations around the world.

Remember the New Zealand PM that made it illegal to use the bathroom in a friends house? Oh, those were the days :laugh:

That was the breaking point for populations. That's when they said we have had enough of this crap

[user104658]

Everyone knew it was nonsense from the moment the introduced things like vaccine passports. It was big government trying to control populations around the world.

Remember the New Zealand PM that made it illegal to use the bathroom in a friends house? Oh, those were the days :laugh:

That was the breaking point for populations. That's when they said we have had enough of this crap

I'm not huge on conspiracy theories but I do occasionally wonder if population tolerances were being "stress tested" - i.e. what acceptance rates would be, and what drop-off rates would look like. it did seem, largely, to be ended as soon as compliance rates had clearly dropped.

You can look at it positively in that sense; as what they discovered from that test was that large-scale control is, at best, time-limited. Though I feel like that should have been obvious, there are plenty of historical examples. Maybe they were testing it out in the digital era to see if it's changed. Humans are humans though, at the end of the day.

[arista]

Has the orange **** not died of a heart attack/musk died of a drug overdoes yet?


No President Trump
is taking tablets that protect his heart.


Musk is overactive
so Fit as fiddle

[arista]

Well done Estonia
the first to agree with President Trump 5%
to pay the USA for NATO.

He was speaking Live in Kyiv.
With all the Leaders.

[user104658]

Well done Estonia
the first to agree with President Trump 5%
to pay the USA for NATO.

He was speaking Live in Kyiv.
With all the Leaders.

Worth pointing out that 5% of Britains GDP is 3x Estonia's entire GDP

[Crimson Dynamo]

Through SIMPLE solutions, we will be saving the American people $3.9 TRILLION over the next 10 years.🔥

By eliminating self-attestation, streamlining processes, updating technology, & more TRILLIONS will be going back into the pockets of Americans.💵

These are the savings we can deliver to the American people if Congress implements the DOGE Subcommittee’s recommendations. 👏🏻

video here:https://x.com/DOGECommittee/status/1894034374707863762

[user104658]

Through SIMPLE solutions, we will be saving the American people $3.9 TRILLION over the next 10 years.��

By eliminating self-attestation, streamlining processes, updating technology, & more TRILLIONS will be going back into the pockets of Americans.��

These are the savings we can deliver to the American people if Congress implements the DOGE Subcommittee’s recommendations. ����

video here:https://x.com/DOGECommittee/status/1894034374707863762

390 billion a year, or 1.4% of US GDP.

Piss in the ocean.

WAIT, edit

Current US NATO spending is 3.4% of GDP. They want to increase NATO spending to 5% for each country. 3.4% current spend + 1.4% DOGE saving = 4.8% GDP.

Wow what a weird coincidence!!

"Money back in the pockets of Americans" :skull::skull::skull: it doesn't even totally cover the increase in military spend. Nothing at all back in pockets.

[arista]

Worth pointing out that 5% of Britains GDP is 3x Estonia's entire GDP


Yes but sadly PM Starmer
is only going to be 2.5%

Not good for the Thursday visit
at the White House


Worth Pointing Out.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Piers Morgan Piersmorgan
·

I’m probably howling into the wind here in regard to who needs to hear it, but
what I’ve learned about Donald Trump during our 20-year friendship is that if
you focus energy on what he *does* rather than what he *says*, it massively
reduces the need for mass hysteria.

[user104658]

I’m probably howling into the wind here in regard to who needs to hear it, but
what I’ve learned about Donald Trump during our 20-year friendship is that if
you focus energy on what he *does* rather than what he *says*, it massively
reduces the need for mass hysteria.

Yes because he blows hot air and isn't actually able to push through the things he wants to push through, and world leaders are becoming increasingly bored with him applying aggressive business tactics to politics.

I note you have nothing to say about the DOGE money "for American pockets" being more than swallowed up by additional military spending, Trumpette.

[Beso]

Yes because he blows hot air and isn't actually able to push through the things he wants to push through, and world leaders are becoming increasingly bored with him applying aggressive business tactics to politics.

I note you have nothing to say about the DOGE money "for American pockets" being more than swallowed up by additional military spending, Trumpette.



As I'm aware the savings made via DOGE have not been finalised nor passed through Congress, so therefore not one penny if it has been snaffled up and spent on defence.

[user104658]

As I'm aware the savings made via DOGE have not been finalised nor passed through Congress, so therefore not one penny if it has been snaffled up and spent on defence.

If you'll read my above post Parmy, I pointed out that current US spending is 3.4%, DOGE savings are reportedly 1.4%, and they have indicated clearly that they want NATO members spending at 5%.

The maths there is very simple - unless they no longer intend the increase to 5% that they've already advised, then they would need the entire $390B/year (plus an additional 0.2% of GDP) just to make the 5% target. So it cannot go anywhere else.

It's not an opinion it's very simple maths.

[bots]

The Trump administration have stated they want no involvement in ukraine, it's up to europe to sort out. In which case, the usa have no meaningful place in peace negotiations. They can't have their cake and eat it

[arista]

From John Oliver Show (SkyComedyHD)

Elon Fired all the Park and Rangers
staff that save folks in the wild.

After a Massive Public OutCry
they all got their jobs back.

[Beso]

If you'll read my above post Parmy, I pointed out that current US spending is 3.4%, DOGE savings are reportedly 1.4%, and they have indicated clearly that they want NATO members spending at 5%.

The maths there is very simple - unless they no longer intend the increase to 5% that they've already advised, then they would need the entire $390B/year (plus an additional 0.2% of GDP) just to make the 5% target. So it cannot go anywhere else.

It's not an opinion it's very simple maths.



Let's hope it passes then or they will have to get the money from elsewhere.

[Oliver_W]

From John Oliver Show (SkyComedyHD)

Elon Fired all the Park and Rangers
staff that save folks in the wild.

After a Massive Public OutCry
they all got their jobs back.

I'm all for the fat being trimmed from the bloated corpse of governance... but park staff ain't it.

[user104658]

Let's hope it passes then or they will have to get the money from elsewhere.

Tbf they'll need to find some of it elsewhere anyway - they've lost way more than that in the tax cuts they're giving to the ultra-rich.

[Beso]

Tbf they'll need to find some of it elsewhere anyway - they've lost way more than that in the tax cuts they're giving to the ultra-rich.

A small price to pay to ensure the tech giants build in America.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do people still refer to adults as "ultra rich" in 2025?

[user104658]

Do people still refer to adults as "ultra rich" in 2025?

What are you flapping over now?

[Alf]

Do you feel more safe or less safe knowing The Don is back in as World leader?

Do you see a better future with Trump as World leader, or do you think we were doing just fine without him?

Two questions there. What are your answers, heartfelt answers, to those two questions?

[user104658]

Do you feel more safe or less safe knowing The Don is back in as World leader?

Do you see a better future with Trump as World leader, or do you think we were doing just fine without him?

Two questions there. What are your answers, heartfelt answers, to those two questions?

I don't think the world has ever been in a worse position at any point in human history. I don't think we were doing "just fine" before, but I think a truck full of fireworks and a tanker of petrol has been crashed into the bonfire that was already there, and the only real hope the civilised world now has is to cut the US loose, let it be isolationist, and watch it crash in a mere few decades like the Soviet Union, and forge stronger links in its absense.

As for a better future? Well, Europe's economy and military will leapfrog the US in less than a decade if we start cooperating on trade with the US out of the picture... So that's hopeful, I suppose?

Realistically inequality is going to continue to soar, quality of life is going to drop, and civil unrest is likely.

Hope I'm wrong and you're right about your golden Trump utopia Alf but I severely doubt it. It's already unravelling.

[bots]

Remember how badly russia performed at the start of the ukraine war, with no real command structure and no-one knowing who was responsible for what with each command pointing the blame on the other. That is exactly how the USA are going to be for the forseeable future.

Is that a good thing? Who knows

[arista]

Trumps Cabinet
Cameras at the start, (live all TV news)


Elon Standing Up and Talking to the Press


British Reporter asks is Elon,
not happy with those talking against him?

[arista]

Elon Email
he says is to find out if they are alive.


Elon Says some workers claiming
are fake.


President Trump stated that some old folks are cashing
cheques but they are 35 years old
That must End.

[Nicky91]

The Trump administration have stated they want no involvement in ukraine, it's up to europe to sort out. In which case, the usa have no meaningful place in peace negotiations. They can't have their cake and eat it

obviously since Trump loves to suck Putin's arse :idc:

[arista]

Zelensky
now going to USA on Friday.
He will allow President Trump to dig for Rare Metals
in his nation.

Then getting USA help
in Ukraine.

Better day on Friday
and Our PM Starmer
now flying to the USA
to see President Trump on Thursday.

[arista]

obviously since Trump loves to suck Putin's arse :idc:


You would never have the Guts to say
that to a Trump fan, in person.

[Nicky91]

You would never have the Guts to say
that to a Trump fan, in person.

why would i even go in conversation with a trump fan, to begin with


that would be a waste of my time, and i don't want to lose braincells listening to gibberish coming out of those MAGA cult freaks their mouths

[arista]

Another Reporter
asked President Trump
about the cost of Eggs?

No one mentions the Massive Bird Flu.

[arista]

A Sharp Reporter
aks President Trump if will he stop
China taking over Taiwan?

Trump said he will not speak in public about that,
only with his Cabinet.

[arista]

Another Long Trump Interview
with Press.

President Trump
concluding with the Millions of Dollars
Money Biden Wasted
sending it around the World.

Now the Press have left.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-d2df37b7-0815-4c3c-98a4-4738be6ee05d.png

[arista]

Live Now SkyNewsHD

PM Starmer gives a Letter from the King.

President Trump Accepts.
To Visit Windsor.

[arista]

BBC Chris Mason
ask's will the President provide
a Security Back Up

President says we should find out tomorrow
Zelensky ariives


Loads of British reporters
now able to ask questions

[arista]

Press

Ch4HDNews Reporter said one of you trusts,
Putin

One does not.


President Trump told him it is a matter to verify
with Putin.

[arista]

President Trump
has Concluded

Now talking to PM Starmer
in Private.

[arista]

PM Starmer & President Trump
Now Live

All Media.

[arista]

Now PM Starmer is talking

[arista]

PM Starmer

Stated UK British Boots on the Ground in Ukraine
As peace makers

Of course that has still got to
go through our Parliament.

[arista]

Cocky Robert Peston ITV
asked if the Trump
would say sorry for what he called Zelensky.


Of Course Trump ignored that

[arista]

Trump claims a USA-UK Trade Deal
will be done



Now Concluded

[Alf]

Cocky Robert Peston ITV
asked if the Trump
would say sorry for what he called Zelensky.


Of Course Trump ignored thatWhat a tw@.

So out of touch with the real World.

Anyone still getting their news from the television in 2025 are neanderthals.

[arista]

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[Glenn.]

rip america

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[Nicky91]

rip america

1896721553322336472?s=46&t=jGjsPOhSduCbgISdXHWlrQ

i doubt the super rich in america will suffer :fan: but yeah RIP the working class citizens :sad:

[Nicky91]

also do i care about the americans

NOPE

those MAGA delusionals voted for this, so, what you sow you shall harvest, and well america will getting nothing from europe anymore, i'd also create hard borders if i were Canada, Mexico, as well as coast patrols, keep a close eye on america from all sides

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-e947a496-e01c-4ca3-8f00-e1eadc4fb54b.jpeg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/03/05/10/95861527-0-image-a-57_1741170026718.jpg


[China threatens America with 'any type of war'
and says it will 'fight to the end'
as Trump's tariffs come into effect
and US threatens more]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14463451/China-threatens-US-type-war-retaliation-tariffs.html

[arista]

1897167739648975243

[arista]

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[user104658]

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No more hooting about "freedom of speech" for the Republicans, I guess :shrug:.

[Livia]

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The USA seem to be taking Kier Starmer's lead.

[arista]

Press Secretary
now live SkyNewsHD

Giving her briefing

[arista]

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[Glenn.]

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Some fact checking for the trumpettes to watch. We know how much they love facts.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"CNN" said so..

https://media.tenor.com/KeOKe8ASx4YAAAAM/jim-halpert-face.gif

[Glenn.]

:joker:

Imagine supporting that and being mugged off. Been awfully quiet in here considering it addressed congress.

I wonder why :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker:

Imagine supporting that and being mugged off. Been awfully quiet in here considering it addressed congress.

I wonder why :joker:

because Donald giving a speech masterclass isnt news so much anymore ?:shrug:



Trump’s speech masterclass – and what world leaders can learn

The President’s humour and showmanship had Republicans in rapture and made
a laughing stock of Democrats

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2025/03/05/TELEMMGLPICT000415046995_17411882462670_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwSX5rhseiWKOo9p9OQ-ymek.jpeg?imwidth=500

Like or loathe his policies, you can’t deny Donald Trump has star power.

It was on full display in his address to Congress on Tuesday night, in which
the US president told the audience “America is back” and declared his first
month in office the most successful since George Washington.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/05/the-daily-t-trump-congress-speech-address-lessons/

[Glenn.]

Most of what he said was completely incorrect.

What’s your opinion on the $8million transgender mice LT?

[Crimson Dynamo]

We must eradicate them

https://static.toiimg.com/thumb/imgsize-23456,msid-118762038,width-600,resizemode-4/118762038.jpg

[Glenn.]

I think we need to know that you know there isn’t $8m being spent on transgender mice LT.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He meant trangenic mice, but the larger philosophical debate about government funding
for scientific research is the takeaway key issue.

Trump said "“I could find a cure to the most devastating disease, and [Democrats] sitting
right here will not clap, will not stand and certainly will not cheer for these astronomical
achievements" and he is right and that is disgusting.

[Nicky91]

because Donald giving a speech masterclass isnt news so much anymore ?:shrug:



Trump’s speech masterclass – and what world leaders can learn

The President’s humour and showmanship had Republicans in rapture and made
a laughing stock of Democrats

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2025/03/05/TELEMMGLPICT000415046995_17411882462670_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwSX5rhseiWKOo9p9OQ-ymek.jpeg?imwidth=500

Like or loathe his policies, you can’t deny Donald Trump has star power.

It was on full display in his address to Congress on Tuesday night, in which
the US president told the audience “America is back” and declared his first
month in office the most successful since George Washington.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/05/the-daily-t-trump-congress-speech-address-lessons/

we don't have to learn anything from the orange loser :idc:

[Glenn.]

He meant trangenic mice, but the larger philosophical debate about government funding
for scientific research is the takeaway key issue.

Trump said "“I could find a cure to the most devastating disease, and [Democrats] sitting
right here will not clap, will not stand and certainly will not cheer for these astronomical
achievements" and he is right and that is disgusting.

No. He meant transgender mice LT :joker:
If he meant transgenic he would have said transgenic.

And his own wife couldn’t even stand to applaud him. She looked as unimpressed as the democrats. But you would having just sat there and listened to him lie through his teeth. Everything he said was fact checked and it was either false or misleading.

When you have a president that needs to be fact checked, surely you must think something is off.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No. He meant transgender mice LT :joker:
If he meant transgenic he would have said transgenic.

And his own wife couldn’t even stand to applaud him. She looked as unimpressed as the democrats. But you would having just sat there and listened to him lie through his teeth. Everything he said was fact checked and it was either false or misleading.

When you have a president that needs to be fact checked, surely you must think something is off.

Left wing MSM fact checking is irrelevant but I understand it gets rabid dems excited on Elon's X

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His wife looked amazing

[user104658]

Trump 100% thought he was hearing that scientists were spending money on transgender mice. Clown world.

[Glenn.]

Left wing MSM fact checking is irrelevant but I understand it gets rabid dems excited on Elon's X

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/L98qw7XihiMcC.9rqExtUA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTEyNDI7aD04Mjg-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/people_218/c47809bcf75d89fae8431c30fbbc11fd

His wife looked amazing

He could tell you the sky is yellow and you’d believe it clearly.

$8m to make mice transgender :joker:

What a ****ing failure of a man

[Glenn.]

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Could she look any less enthused?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Doge doing Gods work

[Glenn.]

Trump 100% thought he was hearing that scientists were spending money on transgender mice. Clown world.

It was the confidence in him when he said it. :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Haterz gonna hate

😁

[Glenn.]

Cultists gonna cult

🤣

[Crimson Dynamo]

That does not make sense at all

Wtaf?

[Glenn.]

Makes more sense than the absolute nonsense The Sexual Predator was spewing the other day.

[user104658]

Haterz gonna hate

��

I don't particularly hate Trump. I don't even hate the world for being in such a state that he'd be in this position of power - though that is where the problem lies. Really at this point I just find it tedious. It's boring, and dumb.

[arista]

President Trump has halted his new 25% Tariff
on Mexico and Canada
for one month.

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[Glenn.]

He’s a joke isn’t he :joker:

[user104658]

President Trump has halted his new 25% Tariff
on Mexico and Canada
for one month.

2hshkdneE8o

[user104658]

I'm becoming increasingly convinced that he's repeatedly pump 'n' dumping the stock market, and given that this is something Musk has done with crypto on a smaller scale many times, it seems even more likely.

[arista]

President Trump Now Live

All TV news

[arista]

He said Stupid Biden
stopping Car Production.


Now taking Press Questions............

[Maru]

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This is why I'm not a fan of Federal govt getting their fingers into things financially. Not only does it raise the average tuition/cost, but all they would have to do is threaten to pull cash someplace after they've made the guarantee and now suddenly they are in the position to make conditions. This is not appropriate, imo. If they want to raid a college campus, go for it, but it won't play well with the general public. Even if I think college campuses are a place where people go to say silly things without any push back now... too much is made about not offending the students, but as long as it is peaceful, let them make their mark... (though to be fair, it's hard to tell from the comment if he means someone doing something illegal or just "illegal" students... whatever that is)

[arista]

This is why I'm not a fan of Federal govt getting their fingers into things financially. Not only does it raise the average tuition/cost, but all they would have to do is threaten to pull cash someplace after they've made the guarantee and now suddenly they are in the position to make conditions. This is not appropriate, imo. If they want to raid a college campus, go for it, but it won't play well with the general public. Even if I think college campuses are a place where people go to say silly things without any push back now... too much is made about not offending the students, but as long as it is peaceful, let them make their mark... (though to be fair, it's hard to tell from the comment if he means someone doing something illegal or just "illegal" students... whatever that is)

Students who
are not legal in the USA.
Will be tracked.


And sure it will be a shock if they raid
a campus.

Maybe the Teachers could advise them
to leave the class
for a while?

[Glenn.]

1898454128877056062?s=46&t=jGjsPOhSduCbgISdXHWlrQ

[Glenn.]

1898395787584852227?s=46&t=jGjsPOhSduCbgISdXHWlrQ

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GllmSh9XAAAd3Zj?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GlllP27WsAA-_NH?format=jpg&name=large

[user104658]

1898395787584852227?s=46&t=jGjsPOhSduCbgISdXHWlrQ

The Enola WOKE!!

[Maru]

Students who
are not legal in the USA.
Will be tracked.


And sure it will be a shock if they raid
a campus.

Maybe the Teachers could advise them
to leave the class
for a while?

I'm not necessarily against them "raiding" if there's a ring of students hiding away in the colleges with significant criminal records, but it's more unlikely someone bothering to pursue a higher education is a detriment to society.

[MTVN]

1898454128877056062?s=46&t=jGjsPOhSduCbgISdXHWlrQ

Presumably that cost is from security?

This wouldn't really bother me. Even Presidents need some free time and leisure and golf is his choice for that. And someone did try to shoot him during a round so they need to be careful

[arista]

I'm not necessarily against them "raiding" if there's a ring of students hiding away in the colleges with significant criminal records, but it's more unlikely someone bothering to pursue a higher education is a detriment to society.


Bad News

[Maru]

Bad News

? What news, arista?

Oh. Maybe you mean this?

https://i.postimg.cc/brCvrv1M/Screenshot-2025-03-09-144724.jpg

[user104658]

Presumably that cost is from security?

This wouldn't really bother me. Even Presidents need some free time and leisure and golf is his choice for that. And someone did try to shoot him during a round so they need to be careful

If Starmer had spent £18000 of a couple of months of golf weekends there would be people in the UK chewing their own lips off over it... never mind 18 million dollars :joker:

[bots]

The security services were costing the country a fortune for 4 years when he wasn't president. The secret service need to protect him wherever he is, so even if he wasn't golfing, it would be the same cost. The secret service followed Biden wherever he went, he never stayed at the whitehouse at weekends and neither did Obama if i recall correctly

[user104658]

The security services were costing the country a fortune for 4 years when he wasn't president. The secret service need to protect him wherever he is, so even if he wasn't golfing, it would be the same cost. The secret service followed Biden wherever he went, he never stayed at the whitehouse at weekends and neither did Obama if i recall correctly

It was well known during his last term that Trump (the real human rather than the pumped-up character myth) much preferred to be out playing golf than doing, really, anything else, presidential or otherwise... and that it was a bit disproportionate to the amount of time that other previous presidents had spent on leisure pursuits. I don't know about Biden - as he was, similarly... an elderly man no doubt craving retirement and relaxation when it comes right down to it. I doubt it'll be much different this time. He's quick to delegate, certainly.

[Glenn.]

1898901209714454790?s=46&t=jGjsPOhSduCbgISdXHWlrQ

You can see him squirming in real time.

[Beso]

1898395787584852227?s=46&t=jGjsPOhSduCbgISdXHWlrQ

Click bait...its not even been removed..

[Beso]

1898901209714454790?s=46&t=jGjsPOhSduCbgISdXHWlrQ

You can see him squirming in real time.

Some people wont be happy until trump drops a nuclear bomb on Moscow.. very sad times when the man seeking peace is the bad guy.

[bots]

Some people wont be happy until trump drops a nuclear bomb on Moscow.. very sad times when the man seeking peace is the bad guy.

Trump just threatened to bomb the crap out of Iran. Seeking peace?

[user104658]

Some people wont be happy until trump drops a nuclear bomb on Moscow.. very sad times when the man seeking peace is the bad guy.

If he's seeking peace then it should be a problem for him that Russia have continued launching significant strikes when Trump has insisted that they "come to the table" but he won't say it's a problem. Why not? It's an indication that no matter how hard he tries to "campaign for peace" - if that's what you believe he's doing - Russia don't currently seem willing to pause and are using it as an opportunity to forge ahead. Not a good sign for any peace attempt.

[Beso]

Trump just threatened to bomb the crap out of Iran. Seeking peace?


USA, france, Germany and britain have all condemned Iran for not fulfilling their side if the bargain.

Your exaggerations do not help.

[Beso]

If he's seeking peace then it should be a problem for him that Russia have continued launching significant strikes when Trump has insisted that they "come to the table" but he won't say it's a problem. Why not? It's an indication that no matter how hard he tries to "campaign for peace" - if that's what you believe he's doing - Russia don't currently seem willing to pause and are using it as an opportunity to forge ahead. Not a good sign for any peace attempt.



Forge ahead? How so?

[Beso]

On Feb. 4, Trump made similar comments on his social media portal Truth Social, saying that wants Iran to “peacefully grow and prosper.”

“Reports that the United States, working in conjunction with Israel, is going to blow Iran into smithereens, ARE GREATLY EXAGGERATED,” he posted

[arista]

On Feb. 4, Trump made similar comments on his social media portal Truth Social, saying that wants Iran to “peacefully grow and prosper.”

“Reports that the United States, working in conjunction with Israel, is going to blow Iran into smithereens, ARE GREATLY EXAGGERATED,” he posted


But Right Now
Iran is refusing to co-opearte with President Trump.

[arista]

Karoline Leavitt (White House Press Secretary)

Now Live on SkyNewsHD

[arista]

The Irish PM
now meeting President Trump


https://www.irishtimes.com/resizer/6TRL-yNjUN3gz2h_22tK61opib8=/960x540/filters:quality(80)/arc-goldfish-irishtimes-thumbnails.s3.amazonaws.com/03-12-2025/t_ee0d198c88d343edb70a3bb846974337_name_https___ap i_bloomberg.com_syndication_api_images_429507331_h ighres

[arista]

Irish Press Lady
rushed in a question :
that Ireland can not build enough homes?

President Trump said this man would sort that out.

[arista]

Trump is Talking a long time,

The Irish PM just stated how many great
Irish Companies like Ryan Air
investing in America.

[arista]

QDESxJlW9Eg

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

https://i.ibb.co/1JRK6qHs/IMG-0636.jpg (https://ibb.co/Pz14QhBT)


:mad:



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/texas-mexico-child-cancer-deportation-b2714565.html

[arista]

98 arrests
in NYC Trump Tower

Left Wing Protesters

SkyNewsHD

[arista]

Now LIVE

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/03/15/08/96219937-0-image-m-5_1742027183335.jpg

[Alongside the warring state a vast swathe
of nations from across the globe have been
told their governments have 60 days to
address deficiencies or they will remain on the list.
A memo shows countries divided into three
separate groups - including full visa
suspensions and partial suspensions.

Many are from the Middle East and Africa,
Full Bans 11 Nations
with
Afghanistan,
Cuba,
Iran
North Korea

Bhutan
Libya
Somalia
Sudan
Syria
Venezuela &
Yemen


face the
most drastic measures.

In the second group, 10 countries would
face partial suspensions that would impact
tourist and student visas as well as other
immigrant visas, with some exceptions.

And in a third group, a total of 22 countries
would be considered for a partial suspension
of US visa issuance if their governments 'do
not make efforts to address deficiencies
within 60 days', the memo said.

A US official cautioned there could be
changes on the list and that it was yet
to be approved by the administration,
including U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio,
after it was reported on by
the New York Times.

For many in America, the policy will
hark back to Trump's explosive 'Muslim ban'
during his first term in office.
Some of the countries in the new proposal
were also on the 2017 list,
but many more are new.]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14501691/trump-travel-ban-countries-list-visa.html

[Ammi]

krHyiGwWE0s

[arista]

Yes, good old Australia
keeping their viewers happy.

[Gusto Brunt]

He's on the phone to Putin tomorrow.

[arista]

He's on the phone to Putin tomorrow.


About Time

[arista]

Press Secretary Now Live

SkyNewsHD

[Gusto Brunt]

About Time

True. :)

[arista]

The Phone Call
ended an hour ago or so.

Putin agrees to the 30-day
halt in the war.

But says NO
to UK or any other nation Troops
in Ukraine

Russia is keeping its extra 20% gained land or so.

Russia also stated no more Military aid
(Send all the military gear fast , now)


Data : SkyNewsHD/CNN HD USA/FoxNewsHD (online only)

[Mystic Mock]

https://i.ibb.co/1JRK6qHs/IMG-0636.jpg (https://ibb.co/Pz14QhBT)


:mad:



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/texas-mexico-child-cancer-deportation-b2714565.html

What was really shocking about this was how so many people on Twitter were celebrating this.

Truly evil.

[Beso]

More dramatic headlines for the gullible masses to gobble on.

[Glenn.]

More dramatic headlines for the gullible masses to gobble on.

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/shows/top-stories/blog/rcna196894

Full story there for you to read.

It’s hard to establish fact when you’re too busy being a sheep I suppose.

[Beso]

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/shows/top-stories/blog/rcna196894

Full story there for you to read.

It’s hard to establish fact when you’re too busy being a sheep I suppose.

Mixed status family..the bad one looking to blame everyone but themselves. The child who is described as recovering in one post, and suffering from, in another.

I cant keep up with all these dramatic headlines. Which is it? Suffering from, or recovering. Dont they have brain cancer treatment or recovery treatment in Mexico?

[Glenn.]

Oh you really can’t read huh

[Beso]

Daniel Woodward, said the parents have “no criminal history” and were in the process of obtaining T visas, a temporary immigration benefit for victims of human trafficking. The girl’s mother told NBC News they arrived in the U.S. from Mexico in 2013 and settled in Texas hoping for “a better life for the family.”





Can I be human trafficked as well please. Got to better than here.



I dont believe any off it.

[Glenn.]

Wow :umm2:

[arista]

BBC News Text:

[The Daily Star's headline - "Trump's taking a Liberty"
- sits alongside a photoshopped image of
the Statue of Liberty overlaid with the
US president's grimacing face.
The paper reports that French people
are asking America
to send the sculpture back as Trump
"doesn't know what it stands for".
The monument was built in France and
given to the US in the late 1800s.]



https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/dc71/live/f9db4e90-0441-11f0-88b7-5556e7b55c5e.jpg.webp

[Beso]

Can uk get our QE2 bridge back please mr frenchie

[arista]

Can uk get our QE2 bridge back please mr frenchie


No, it was sold to America

[arista]

Press Secretary Karoline leavitt now Live
taking Press Questions.


SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD

[Alf]

The Phone Call
ended an hour ago or so.

Putin agrees to the 30-day
halt in the war.

But says NO
to UK or any other nation Troops
in Ukraine

Russia is keeping its extra 20% gained land or so.

Russia also stated no more Military aid
(Send all the military gear fast , now)


Data : SkyNewsHD/CNN HD USA/FoxNewsHD (online only)If you actually pay attention, you can see who is actually behind this war. Who are the ones that are paying out money that they don't have to pay out, to keep this war going?

The clues are right in front of your face. You just have to open your eyes and see. You don't need to be told by the bought for, and controlled media. It's right there to see for yourself.

[user104658]

If you actually pay attention, you can see who is actually behind this war. Who are the ones that are paying out money that they don't have to pay out, to keep this war going?

The clues are right in front of your face. You just have to open your eyes and see. You don't need to be told by the bought for, and controlled media. It's right there to see for yourself.

What's right in front of your face is that Russia started the war to gain land and keep NATO off its border, and is offering to end the war if they get to keep the land they've gained and get a guarantee of no NATO for Ukraine.

It's not complicated. It's a war for land and resources like every other war in history. That's right in front of your face.

But oh no no if you don't believe that it's a shadowy conspiracy of global elites then you're just brainwashed by the MSM. Laughable. The irony of course being that there's not one original thought behind any of this for the people saying it, it's just stuff they've read other people bleating about.

[arista]

He is Live

He stated the Judge stopping Criminals
being kicked out of the USA
is a Left Wing Lunatic.

[arista]

He is happy
Apple Inc.,
is now building a Factory
in America.


Also, President Trump is happy
Honda
is now building a Car plant
in Indiana

[arista]

The Taliban just Freed an American
under a new Trump deal.

He has been held since 2022.

Re:WION HD Gravitas Pt.1

[arista]

[First US sixth-gen fighter jet will be the F-47,
Trump says,
and Boeing, not Lockheed, is going to build it]

https://i.insider.com/67dd8c2c63d72727e197e809?width=1000&format=jpeg&auto=webp


https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-wins-air-force-next-generation-air-dominance-fighter-contract-2025-3

[Crimson Dynamo]

The fake news doesn't want you to see this clip. President Trump just said he will pay the two stranded astronauts overtime pay for the 286 days that they were stuck in space — out of his own pocket.

Amazing.

https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1903126318268682382

[Beso]

Good politics mr trump.

I do believe overtime pay and the tipping scandal was a big selling point during the build up to the election.

[user104658]

The fake news doesn't want you to see this clip. President Trump just said he will pay the two stranded astronauts overtime pay for the 286 days that they were stuck in space — out of his own pocket.

Amazing.

https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1903126318268682382

https://i.imgur.com/MGd1CoC.jpeg

James I'm not fully read up on the forum rules, do we allow verbatim copy-paste reposts of bot spam propaganda?

You a bot, Trumpet? Have the Russians hijacked your sticky laptop?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Are you familiar with reposting and other social media platforms

Don't be bitter

Embrace good things

:love:

[user104658]

Are you familiar with reposting and other social media platforms

Don't be bitter

Embrace good things

:love:

No I don't feel the need to copy and paste basic braindead Trump propaganda off of social media onto a discussion forum. It's an odd-sounding hobby. But if it's "not against the rules" you crack on I guess.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No I don't feel the need to copy and paste basic braindead Trump propaganda off of social media onto a discussion forum. It's an odd-sounding hobby. But if it's "not against the rules" you crack on I guess.

I can't help you if you don't understand social media
It actually explains a fair bit tbh. Even bookmakers are embracing it nowadays you know. When the fun stops QB..

stop

[user104658]

I can't help you if you don't understand social media
It actually explains a fair bit tbh. Even bookmakers are embracing it nowadays you know. When the fun stops QB..

stop

What explains a lot is you turning out to be a facebook grandad :joker:. Do we need to send you to a wee class about how to spot AI generated content? I've heard that the elderly are vulnerable to SoMed phishing scams :worry:.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

It's giving B613 "get rid of her" job


https://i.ibb.co/1YVP8vJL/IMG-1012.jpg (https://ibb.co/hx54D71y)
loaves and fishes naperville (https://nonprofitlight.com/il/naperville/loaves-and-fishes-community-services)

[arista]

On the Two News Ch.


President Trump and his Cabinet


(SkyNewsHD & BBCnewsHD)

Near Live

[arista]

President Trump Live
just announced a New $5 Billion
Steel Plant in Louisiana.

(Hyundai Deal)

Just on SkyNewsHD

[Glenn.]

Did you see Trump showing off a framed constitution the other day :joker:

They told him it was the real one. Thick ****

[Beso]

Uncle Elon saving billions.

First five minutes are eye opening.

https://www.youtube.com/live/wHCne-M-Y1U?si=Ra8aFgzrgXIA3Dj4

[Maru]

It's giving B613 "get rid of her" job


https://i.ibb.co/1YVP8vJL/IMG-1012.jpg (https://ibb.co/hx54D71y)
loaves and fishes naperville (https://nonprofitlight.com/il/naperville/loaves-and-fishes-community-services)

Well, that's interesting...

[Maru]

Former US Attorney Jessica Aber had 'medical issue' prior to unexpected death: source
https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-us-attorney-jessica-aber-004632610.html

The former United States attorney who was found dead over the weekend had suffered from a "longstanding medical issue," Fox News has learned.

The body of Jessica D. Aber, 43, was discovered at an Alexandria, Virginia, residence on Saturday. Authorities did not release details about her death, but a family friend told Fox News on Sunday that the decedent suffered from a chronic medical condition.

"Police believe the death was the result of a longstanding medical issue," the source said.

I would love to know how many people who work in Washington have some kind of chronic issue. I'm willing to bet the numbers are very high...

[Ammi]

White House inadvertently texted top-secret Yemen war plans to journalist

Senior members of Donald Trump’s cabinet have been involved in a serious security breach while discussing secret military plans for recent US attacks on the Houthi armed group in Yemen.

In an extraordinary blunder, key figures in the Trump administration – including the vice-president, JD Vance, the defence secretary Pete Hegseth, the secretary of state, Marco Rubio, and the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard – used the commercial chat app Signal to convene and discuss plans – while also including a prominent journalist in the group.

The news was met with outrage and calls for an investigation in the US, with Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer calling it “one of the most stunning breaches of military intelligence I have read about in a very, very long time”

Signal is not approved by the US government for sharing sensitive information.

Related: Outrage after White House accidentally texts journalist war plans: ‘Huge screw-up’

Others in the chat included the Trump adviser Stephen Miller; Trump’s chief of staff, Susie Wiles; and the key Trump envoy Steve Witkoff.

The breach was revealed in an article published on Monday by Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor of the Atlantic magazine, who discovered that he had been included in a Signal chat called “Houthi PC Small Group” and realising that 18 other members of the group included Trump cabinet members.

In his account, Goldberg said that he removed sensitive material from his account, including the identity of a senior CIA officer and current operational details.

The report was confirmed by Brian Hughes, a spokesperson for the national security council, who told the magazine: “This appears to be an authentic message chain, and we are reviewing how an inadvertent number was added to the chain.”

Hughes added: “The thread is a demonstration of the deep and thoughtful policy coordination between senior officials. The ongoing success of the Houthi operation demonstrates that there were no threats to troops or national security.”

…full article…
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/journalist-accidentally-added-white-house-190213647.html

[Niamh.]

It's giving B613 "get rid of her" job


https://i.ibb.co/1YVP8vJL/IMG-1012.jpg (https://ibb.co/hx54D71y)
loaves and fishes naperville (https://nonprofitlight.com/il/naperville/loaves-and-fishes-community-services)Scary. Does it say how she died?

[Ammi]

…she apparently had a known ongoing chronic medical condition before her ‘unexpected death’…those two thing don’t seem to gel…having a chronic illness would generally indicate a death wouldn’t be an unexpected thing…but these are big people with big power so I guess cause of death could (..potentially…)…be anything that was required for it to be…

[Ammi]

…Greenland’s own version of the MAGA hat…

https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/greenland-maga-hat

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2025-03/24/19/subbuzz/qNFWdC0ng.png

[Niamh.]

…she apparently had a known ongoing chronic medical condition before her ‘unexpected death’…those two thing don’t seem to gel…having a chronic illness would generally indicate a death wouldn’t be an unexpected thing…but these are big people with big power so I guess of death could (..potentially…)…be anything that was required to be…Very fishy indeed

[bots]

i actually think the security leak was a setup. In the messages Vance and the defense secretary were busy saying how europe should have been made to pay for the attack. They wanted that message to get out

[Beso]

Not sure what this has to do with Donald Trump?

[bots]

Not sure what this has to do with Donald Trump?

it's his hand picked administration

[user104658]

i actually think the security leak was a setup. In the messages Vance and the defense secretary were busy saying how europe should have been made to pay for the attack. They wanted that message to get out

My literal first thought before I even read anything about it - my wife said, did you hear about someone from the press being accidentally included in a message chain in US... I said "nah, can only have been on purpose".

They want us to believe that they're incompetent but it's engneered incompetence with very specific purposes. It's the entire Trump playbook. Play dumb. You can see it filtering down though his leuitenants and all the way to his followers too (with mixed effect, some people are better at it than others).

[bots]

My literal first thought before I even read anything about it - my wife said, did you hear about someone from the press being accidentally included in a message chain in US... I said "nah, can only have been on purpose".

They want us to believe that they're incompetent but it's engneered incompetence with very specific purposes. It's the entire Trump playbook. Play dumb. You can see it filtering down though his leuitenants and all the way to his followers too (with mixed effect, some people are better at it than others).

if the Houthi had been pre-warned, the reporter would have been executed for treason, there was no way that was going to leak. Unfortunately, the dems are being led by the nose and foaming at the mouth

[Ammi]

My literal first thought before I even read anything about it - my wife said, did you hear about someone from the press being accidentally included in a message chain in US... I said "nah, can only have been on purpose".

They want us to believe that they're incompetent but it's engneered incompetence with very specific purposes. It's the entire Trump playbook. Play dumb. You can see it filtering down though his leuitenants and all the way to his followers too (with mixed effect, some people are better at it than others).

..so is it a purposeful distraction from Jessica Aber’s ‘unexpected death’…?….in your opinion, of course…

[Cherie]

…Greenland’s own version of the MAGA hat…

https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/greenland-maga-hat

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2025-03/24/19/subbuzz/qNFWdC0ng.png

:joker: brilliant, now I would buy one of those

[user104658]

..so is it a purposeful distraction from Jessica Aber’s ‘unexpected death’…?….in your opinion, of course…

Maybe in part, I think the clues on motivation lie more in the content of the leak than the simple fact that a leak occurred; there was built-in plausible deniability for the main players ("Trump knew nothing about any of this" for example) and "interestingly" plenty of rhetoric in "leaked" material dogwhistling about the strength of the US and apparent-weakness of Europe.

What I think is "worrying" (though not really in the sense that it's entirely unsurprising at this point) is that because I don't believe for a second that the use of unsecured channels was due to incompetence or negligence, and the risk/likelihood of foreign powers (China/Russia) also being able to intercept these communications regardless of "press leaking"... one has to assume that said foreign powers were already (knowingly) aware of any information or plans contained in those messages.

Basically I see an awful low of smoke and mirrors/play acting for public consumption, and that seems more and more obvious across politics these days. Perhaps it was always the way, of course. It's just becoming blatant to the extent that I think the public/support bases themselves actively play along. Really bizarre times.

[bots]

the other thing is that the Trump administration doesn't care if people think the lady was murdered. It's straight out of the oops fell out of a window Putin playbook. Trump was given a free hand by the supreme court to do anything he wants, legal or not

[Crimson Dynamo]

A former US attorney found dead at home at the age of 43 had reportedly been suffering
from a longstanding medical issue.

Jessica Aber, once the top prosecutor in the Eastern District of Virginia, was found
unresponsive in her Washington DC home on Saturday. She likely died from natural
causes, police believe.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14530823/biden-prosecutor-jessica-aber-friends-hint-cause-death-virginia-home.html

[user104658]

the other thing is that the Trump administration doesn't care if people think the lady was murdered. It's straight out of the oops fell out of a window Putin playbook. Trump was given a free hand by the supreme court to do anything he wants, legal or not

Agreed, the Trump support base will either believe the denial, or believe that it was justified and pretend to believe the denial. There's no realistic possibility of any accountability so it doesn't really matter what happened, they'll write their own story and that will be the official story by default.

[Ammi]

Maybe in part, I think the clues on motivation lie more in the content of the leak than the simple fact that a leak occurred; there was built-in plausible deniability for the main players ("Trump knew nothing about any of this" for example) and "interestingly" plenty of rhetoric in "leaked" material dogwhistling about the strength of the US and apparent-weakness of Europe.

What I think is "worrying" (though not really in the sense that it's entirely unsurprising at this point) is that because I don't believe for a second that the use of unsecured channels was due to incompetence or negligence, and the risk/likelihood of foreign powers (China/Russia) also being able to intercept these communications regardless of "press leaking"... one has to assume that said foreign powers were already (knowingly) aware of any information or plans contained in those messages.

Basically I see an awful low of smoke and mirrors/play acting for public consumption, and that seems more and more obvious across politics these days. Perhaps it was always the way, of course. It's just becoming blatant to the extent that I think the public/support bases themselves actively play along. Really bizarre times.

…(…thank you for the response, I appreciate it…)…strangely I was just thinking a lot recently myself about whether politics has always been this way….because it does as you say, feel like bizarre times but then in catching up with some of the Black Mirror stories atm…they feel uncomfortably close to real life or what could be, you know…real life is getting uncomfortably lose to them, I don’t know which way around it is…(…I’m thinking…)…that it probably has always been that way but it’s just that media and information has changed so much, it’s like on instant dial up …I mean, things like the expenses scandal for instance and how long until the public had any knowledge of most of it in comparison to now and public knowledge is made instant through a combination of SM and mainstream media…but they’re not working with each other, they’re completely different species and they’re competing against each other…and fact over the years has become more rare but less important because it’s more just what they can put out there and create mass belief in…

[user104658]

…(…thank you for the response, I appreciate it…)…strangely I was just thinking a lot recently myself about whether politics has always been this way….because it does as you say, feel like bizarre times but then in catching up with some of the Black Mirror stories atm…they feel uncomfortably close to real life or what could be, you know…real life is getting uncomfortably lose to them, I don’t know which way around it is…(…I’m thinking…)…that it probably has always been that way but it’s just that media and information has changed so much, it’s like on instant dial up …I mean, things like the expenses scandal for instance and how long until the public had any knowledge of most of it in comparison to now and public knowledge is made instant through a combination of SM and mainstream media…but they’re not working with each other, they’re completely different species and they’re competing against each other…and fact over the years has become more rare but less important because it’s more just what they can put out there and create mass belief in…

I think it probably has always been this way, I think the truly fascinating thing that's emerged recently for me is that ... in the past it was assumed that it was this way, and propaganda was a problem because it was successfully "hoodwinking" people. In the Internet era where everyone is much more aware, what seems pretty clear to me is that ... that's not the case at all -- and maybe it never was. While it does happen, I don't think people being "tricked" by propaganda and the oratory and gameplaying is the whole story - I think people are fully aware of what they're seeing, and actively choosing to play along and copy/paste/further the rhetoric because it aligns with what they already on a personal level wanted to happen. Everyone gaslighting each other on a massive scale.

"Can't you see the problem wi..."
"NO I CAN'T"
"But you must concede that"
"NO, WRONG!!!"

Or rather, tl;dr I think most Trump supporters (and supporters of whoever) know that their favourite politicians are perched on thrones of lies, but they like the effect he has on "their enemy" so they #1 do not care and #2 actively play into it.

In the information era it's all just so open and blatant.

[Glenn.]

Blanket silence from TiBB MAGA :joker:

[bots]

In our relatively recent history, we had 2 world wars where the radio was used to spread disinformation. After the war we had Russia and China making up all sorts of disinformation and the west responded (to a degree) in kind. One of the famous ones was Regans star wars program which was 100% fiction :laugh:

So what I am basically saying, disinformation has always been with us, and the side that usually wins that argument, is the side that won the war/battle etc etc

[Ammi]

I think it probably has always been this way, I think the truly fascinating thing that's emerged recently for me is that ... in the past it was assumed that it was this way, and propaganda was a problem because it was successfully "hoodwinking" people. In the Internet era where everyone is much more aware, what seems pretty clear to me is that ... that's not the case at all -- and maybe it never was. While it does happen, I don't think people being "tricked" by propaganda and the oratory and gameplaying is the whole story - I think people are fully aware of what they're seeing, and actively choosing to play along and copy/paste/further the rhetoric because it aligns with what they already on a personal level wanted to happen. Everyone gaslighting each other on a massive scale.

"Can't you see the problem wi..."
"NO I CAN'T"
"But you must concede that"
"NO, WRONG!!!"

Or rather, tl;dr I think most Trump supporters (and supporters of whoever) know that their favourite politicians are perched on thrones of lies, but they like the effect he has on "their enemy" so they #1 do not care and #2 actively play into it.

In the information era it's all just so open and blatant.


…I think also that there’s an element of ….when the public don’t like what they’re seeing …if it jars in any way with their beliefs etc…then it can just be dismissed as ‘fake news’ so events and facts and false information or ‘adjusted I formation’ is all just made to fit by the person receiving it…the key is divisiveness, isn’t it…because divided always weakened so that power could be gained and that’s the principal and foundation of things like ‘cult mindsets as well’….divide those minds from information/from reality and then you have power over them…I mean, that’s an extreme thing but it’s a similar principal…

[user104658]

In our relatively recent history, we had 2 world wars where the radio was used to spread disinformation. After the war we had Russia and China making up all sorts of disinformation and the west responded (to a degree) in kind. One of the famous ones was Regans star wars program which was 100% fiction :laugh:

So what I am basically saying, disinformation has always been with us, and the side that usually wins that argument, is the side that won the war/battle etc etc

I agree it's always been with us, as above though I just think what's clearer than ever, to put it much more simply, is that for the mostpart people will believe what they want to believe, and brand what they don't want to believe to be false. It has very little to do with objective reality and everything to do with sociology and "feelings".

It gets more complicated when you factor in global communications of course - the "spread" is no longer local, not to the same extent anyway, hence why we have so many in the UK so firmly immersed in US-centric propaganda (and why it spreads so easily to other nations).


As an aside thought; it seems clear to me that if the 1930's Nazi's had been broadcasting freely on British radiowaves in English we'd have been in big fkn trouble.

[Ammi]

In our relatively recent history, we had 2 world wars where the radio was used to spread disinformation. After the war we had Russia and China making up all sorts of disinformation and the west responded (to a degree) in kind. One of the famous ones was Regans star wars program which was 100% fiction :laugh:

So what I am basically saying, disinformation has always been with us, and the side that usually wins that argument, is the side that won the war/battle etc etc

…disinformation has always been there, I agree…but the world has changed and it’s much more divisive and ‘tribal’…I think that disinformation may have always been there but it’s never been so ‘weaponised’ as it is in current times…and also not so much on fast speed, either…click, click, click etc…which is so much quicker than your carrier pigeon days, bots…:fan:…

[bots]

i think the difference between now and 70 years ago is that while communication was pretty quick over the radio, the feedback loop was slow and therefore inertia took a while to build. Now feedback is near instant and that creates inertia that feeds echo chambers which puts the whole thing on an entirely new level. All Trump had to do recently was speak a couple of sentences and the world went in to hyperdrive. That just wouldn't have happened previously, even 20 years ago.

[user104658]

i think the difference between now and 70 years ago is that while communication was pretty quick over the radio, the feedback loop was slow and therefore inertia took a while to build. Now feedback is near instant and that creates inertia that feeds echo chambers which puts the whole thing on an entirely new level. All Trump had to do recently was speak a couple of sentences and the world went in to hyperdrive. That just wouldn't have happened previously, even 20 years ago.

Yes and the quick feedback loop also lets them adjust and tweak the message extremely quickly and measure the effects, to adjust and tweak again, in the space of hours when it once would have taken days, and not all that long before that, weeks/months. It's only going to get more pronounced as AI continues to improve; I don't think the robots are going to take over the world, but what they can do is gather and analyse data for people at almost-instant speeds ... this has never been possible before in all of history. You could literally take in depth, detailed, written-out feedback from millions of people, have AI process it and have a 2000 word summary of "people's general thoughts" within minutes. No polls needed, no trying to frame the question, no one having to put together the data and analyse it... you can just say "Read through all of these documents and tell me in general what people think about _______" and you have that info immediately. We're at the tip of an absolutely massive iceberg.

to make things even more complicated (and what we've seen repeatedly recently) is the clear realisation that markets also react at lightning speed. A few sentences here and there from someone with huge influence can have global markets all over the place.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wonder if in the not-too-distant future we will have AI members and not even know

:think:

[Beso]

A former US attorney found dead at home at the age of 43 had reportedly been suffering
from a longstanding medical issue.

Jessica Aber, once the top prosecutor in the Eastern District of Virginia, was found
unresponsive in her Washington DC home on Saturday. She likely died from natural
causes, police believe.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14530823/biden-prosecutor-jessica-aber-friends-hint-cause-death-virginia-home.html



Nobody can see or hear you for tin foil.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nobody can see or hear you for tin foil.

:joker:

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-a3f36678-9ba9-40c1-8243-cdc69ed1c7b4.png

[arista]

[Trump announces 25% tariffs on car imports to the USA]



[US President Donald Trump has announced
new import taxes of 25% on cars and car parts
coming into the US in a move that threatens
to widen the global trade war.

Trump said the latest tariffs would come
into effect on 2 April, with charges on
businesses importing vehicles starting
the next day.
Charges on parts are set to start
in May or later.
The president claimed the measure would
lead to "tremendous growth" for
the car industry,
promising it would spur jobs and
investment in the US.

But analysts have said the move
is likely to lead to the temporary
shutdown of significant car production
in the US, increase prices, and strain
relations with allies.
The US imported roughly eight million cars
last year, accounting for about $240bn (£186bn)
in trade and roughly half of overall sales.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly341xr45vo

[user104658]

Pump your non-US car stocks tomorrow morning they'll be up again by Monday.

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[Sir Keir Starmer's reaction to
Trump's 25% tariffs on imported cars,
steel and aluminium.
The prime minister has warned Trump not
to start a trade war, the paper says
(writing before the two leaders' phone call on Sunday).]



https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/4261/live/f65ae690-0da6-11f0-b234-07dc7691c360.jpg.webp

[Maru]

i actually think the security leak was a setup. In the messages Vance and the defense secretary were busy saying how europe should have been made to pay for the attack. They wanted that message to get out

Professional culture has really declined in the US, so it's easier for me to believe it is incompetence... like people don't care that they're being lazy or "not abiding by the rules"... we take so much of the structure and ideals we've been gifted for granted now.

Edit: There's also an increasing attitude of dragging the top of one's field down to the lower levels of the "masses". I see it in my own field. The "incompetent" folk are the ones able to adjust quicker to changing norms and so they're forcing the market to play to their rules now... the "true" professional is squeezed out and replaced by AI and templates.

I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing. (Exempt from this thought are security breaches :spin:) It's good old systems are being broken down, because there were too many arbitrary standards that have no place in modern work. And now, there's also the increasing piece of the pie who are seeing the value in "professional" standards, especially on those working the field. They realize time is money and why certain standards have appeared and remain so resistant... some things need weeding out... but yeah, Americans hate elitism atm and are currently directly at war with that class of thought.

[Ammi]

…we knew this is what he would aim for, didn’t we…

Trump says he is not joking about third presidential term…

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -Republican President Donald Trump said on Sunday he was not joking about seeking a third presidential term, which is barred by the U.S. Constitution, but that it was too early to think about doing so.

Trump, who took office on January 20 for his second, non-consecutive White House term, has made allusions to seeking a third one but addressed it directly in a telephone interview with NBC News.

"No, I'm not joking. I’m not joking," Trump said, but "it is far too early to think about it."

"There are methods which you could do it, as you know," he said, declining to elaborate on specific methods.

U.S. presidents are limited to two four-year terms, consecutive or not, according to the 22nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

A proposal to overturn a constitutional amendment requires a two-thirds vote in both houses of Congress and ratification by the legislatures of three-fourths of the 50 U.S. states.

Some Trump allies have floated the idea of keeping Trump in the White House beyond 2028, and the president has also brought up the idea on a number of occasions in a manner that seemed to poke at his political opponents.

Trump, who at 78 was the oldest U.S. president at the time of his inauguration, would be 82 if he took on another four-year term following the November 2028 election.

George Washington in 1796 set the precedent for a two-term presidency, a self-imposed limit that was observed by most U.S. presidents for more than 140 years until Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1940.

Roosevelt, a Democrat who was president during the Great Depression and World War 2, broke tradition and served a third term, then died months into his fourth term in 1945. This paved the way for the amendment on term limits in 1951.

Longtime Trump adviser Steve Bannon said in a March 19 interview with NewsNation that he believes Trump will run again in 2028. Bannon said he and others are looking into ways to make that happen, including examining the definition of a term limit.

"We're working on it," Bannon said.

[user104658]

The man really believes he's immortal I guess. If he does somehow start a 3rd term my bet is that he won't finish it; the human body goes downhill RAPIDLY at 80+.

[bots]

I imagine if Trump died in office, they would take the same approach as Russia did in the past. With AI it should be quite easy to fake it for a while.

The other thing is that dictators have a habit of living long past their sell by date

[arista]

[Republican President Donald Trump
said on Sunday he was not joking
about seeking a third presidential term,
which is barred by the U.S. Constitution]


Of course
it is a plan running for may months now

[arista]

One way is to Let
JD Vance run
With Trump as his number 2.

Then once (if) in Power
JD stands down
Trump would then take over

[bots]

by the time the next election is due, democracy will be gone in the USA

[user104658]

by the time the next election is due, democracy will be gone in the USA

The tinfoil in me suspects that it already is, whether it's direct manipulation of the process (perhaps more tinfoil) or simply social manipulation, the fact that entire news platforms and social media trends are now dictated by private individuals and $$$$$$ means that any democratic concept is quite meaningless.

[bots]

i think it's already gone too and the really disappointing thing is there is zero effective opposition to it from within the USA. Bernie and AOC have been wheeled out on a tour, but they are not the people to lead a defense, they have even less credibility nationwide than Harris. Opposition will have to come from non politicians at grass roots level if they are to gain any traction

[user104658]

i think it's already gone too and the really disappointing thing is there is zero effective opposition to it from within the USA. Bernie and AOC have been wheeled out on a tour, but they are not the people to lead a defense, they have even less credibility nationwide than Harris. Opposition will have to come from non politicians at grass roots level if they are to gain any traction

The reality of the US is just that it's not that progressive at its core; certainly not yet, maybe not ever, it could go either way as age demographics shift but I don't think it's ever going to be "massively" non-conservative... thus, the only effective opposition to all of this trash, is a more reasonable, professional, at least half-decent group that tends more the the "right hand side" of the Dems and the at-least-grownups side of the Republicans. Less of a "whoohoo revolution!" and more of a "let's get strict and serious". They want to be parented, they LOVE "Daddy Trump".

[Ammi]

One way is to Let
JD Vance run
With Trump as his number 2.

Then once (if) in Power
JD stands down
Trump would then take over

…if JD Vance got to be US President I don’t think there would be a chance in heck of standing down from his power chair…

[arista]

…if JD Vance got to be US President I don’t think there would be a chance in heck of standing down from his power chair…


It could be a
mental issue

[user104658]

…if JD Vance got to be US President I don’t think there would be a chance in heck of standing down from his power chair…

I agree with that, if anything I think Vance is "playing along" with the current Trump/Musk political environment with his own slightly different (but ultimately not better) embitions in mind. I think he's 100% in it genuinely for the politics unlike Trump and especially Musk who have other motivations (primarily economic) but I don't for a second imagine they're "good" politics.

But yeah... if he gets into a position of real power he'll not give it back. He'd turn on Trump on the head of a pin.

[user104658]

More importantly though it's increasingly clear that Trump isn't the driving force behind anything that's happening; his "cult of personality" is a tool that they're using, and maybe a very important one, but he's not running the show... so if they can find a popular replacement and win with them, the "can he have a 3rd term" question becomes moot. It'll be a 3rd term of someone "Trump-like".

[bots]

There is serious talk that Trump will turn it into a family dynasty, in which case Vance could be out on his ass in favour of a family member

[Nicky91]

Dynasty: A White House Saga

starring

Donald J Trump

Donald Trump Junior

Eric Trump

Ivanka Trump

Tiffany Trump

Barron Trump


:joker:

[user104658]

There is serious talk that Trump will turn it into a family dynasty, in which case Vance could be out on his ass in favour of a family member

Could be in line for a very young president then - Barron is the only one with the popularity to win (legitimately, Elon and his bot-farms might tweak it of course). I hear people talking about Ivanka but I just don't see it... the red hat MAGA core and Musk-aligned incel crowd will go with almost anything, but they're not going to vote for a woman as their president.

[user104658]

Of course it'd be fair to say, that wouldn't even be in any way odd for the US, their politics has always been full of family dynasties.

[Maru]

A proposal to overturn a constitutional amendment requires a two-thirds vote in both houses of Congress and ratification by the legislatures of three-fourths of the 50 U.S. states.

I don't think that has been suggested but it'd be really funny if they tried. We are not politically setup to be anyway near an Constitutional Amendment era.

They should try actually, if they are that insistent. For one, people should see why we have guardrails in the first place. When they don't their way, maybe tearing down the system isn't always the first solution that should be provided.

As arista said, I can see him considering himself as a running mate lol. But seriously, can his ego handle his successor taking his credit? Vance genuinely has charisma and doesn't necessarily need anyone as a running mate, imo.

[bots]

any opposition to a 3rd trump term will end up in the supreme court and we all know how that will go

[user104658]

any opposition to a 3rd trump term will end up in the supreme court and we all know how that will go

It should, in theory, be much harder to make actual constitutional changes but will really be the ultimate test of the US constitution, which has long been held up as almost gospel... ... ... especially by Republicans.

And if it fails that test then the entire constitution might as well be torn up and thrown in the nearest bin, not one word of it will be worth a single cent. Certainly interesting times, scary as they are... a huge part of what's allowing things to go as they are is that the opposing side has one hand tied behind their back playing by the established letter of law and government in the US... if it all goes out the window all bets are off :shrug:.

[Maru]

any opposition to a 3rd trump term will end up in the supreme court and we all know how that will go

SCOTUS is meant to read the Constitution and "only" go by what is written. They're not supposed to find loopholes or make up new interpretations to fit any intention just because "they can see it both ways" or insert moral view.

I have no love for either party. I think both have the appetite to alter the system to grab power in a big way. And there's certainly some interest by different members of SCOTUS in doing things out of the norm. It's a matter of who wants to step up to hit the activation button on the dangerous scary puzzle and see how the American public reacts. Our politics is so full of inflated egos in so many ways, it's only a matter of time.

Anyway, it seems we are not getting term limits for Congressional members. I think of all guard rails, we need that more to make room a political system that adapts faster to changing cultural norms... modern thinking and technology requires that now.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GnW4JKuWMAAz_vw?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-f829d49d-82c3-42bb-baa3-36ffdbed9287.png

[Maru]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-f829d49d-82c3-42bb-baa3-36ffdbed9287.png

Great cover.

[Cherie]

Starmer, trade talks with the US are at an advanced stage

also Starmer, it is likely the UK will be hit by tarriffs, so much for the special relationship eh?



Our only hope is that Charlie won't be able to host Donnie again due to health issues..

[bots]

America want their hands on the NHS, and we know how that will go

[arista]

Live SkyNewsHD

Press Secretary.

Confirming fewer are trying to invade the USA.


Foreign Terrorist's
have no right to legal representation.

[Glenn.]

Fewer people from all over the world are wanting to go to America

[arista]

Piers Morgan
sitting on the Five
on FoxNewsHD (online only)

Confirmed: President Trump has stopped more Illegal Migrants
Also Vietnam has now agreed to
set their Tarrifs at 0%

[Nicky91]

Fewer people from all over the world are wanting to go to America

tourism income will sink to close to 0%


instead of MAGA it more is MACA (Making America Crap Again)


:skull:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gnr8G91WwAAVEuC?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GnwUKbXWQAAJL8I?format=jpg&name=small

[letmein]

One way is to Let
JD Vance run
With Trump as his number 2.

Then once (if) in Power
JD stands down
Trump would then take over

He can’t. The law is clear that in order to be eligible to be VP, the VP must be eligible to step in as president. Trump is illegible because he can’t have a third term. This has already been settled but Don the Con is determined to turn everything into a circus. The man has had 6 bankruptcies and is determined to make the US his 7th.

[bots]

there are all sorts of reasons for trump planting this seed. He wants to be the most powerful and richest man in the world, so he doesn't want to give up his position of power. The other side is that he very quickly becomes a lame duck president unless he floats the possibility of another term.

He is old, who knows if it will become an issue or not, but if he is still alive, i'm sure he will remain president, one way or another

[Crimson Dynamo]

there are all sorts of reasons for trump planting this seed. He wants to be the most powerful and richest man in the world, so he doesn't want to give up his position of power. The other side is that he very quickly becomes a lame duck president unless he floats the possibility of another term.

He is old, who knows if it will become an issue or not, but if he is still alive, i'm sure he will remain president, one way or another

"He wants to be the most powerful and richest man in the world"

stop making stuff up

[arista]

President Trump on his Plane
Flying back to the white house.

Claims many nations are now talking to him?

Tariff Wars

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/624/cpsprodpb/a683/live/17418eb0-1327-11f0-ac9f-c37d6fd89579.jpg.webp

[user104658]

Markets have absolutely tanked, lol. There's very little argument to support the idea that they have any idea what they're doing at this point. Literally no one benefits from this. I do enjoy that British Gammonry will be shooting and celebrating in complete ignorance to the fact that their pension pots are plummeting to the floor :joker:.

[edit] That said I suppose most probably won't be in private pots, just waiting to scrub around on their state pension blaming immigrants for it not being enough to live on.

[user104658]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/624/cpsprodpb/a683/live/17418eb0-1327-11f0-ac9f-c37d6fd89579.jpg.webp

This isn't a revolt but I am enjoying that the press are confused and reporting it as such. Musk (and Trump) are essentially using the tariffs not because they want to tariff... but because they want to force free trade (0%) both-ways with he countries they'd like to trade with (1st world, basically) and think that by increasing their tariffs on others to silly numbers, they can force those countries to say "OK remove the tariffs and we'll also lower to 0% on US imports".

But thus far it's not working that way... it's becoming a messy trade war... and there's every chance that the other countries involved will cluster up and leave the US out in the cold. They think that can't happen because of the value of the US economy and the USD being the currency of choice -- but it doesn't have to be, and if they think the US economy can't decline to 2nd or even 3rd place (behind China and EU+UK), they are simply wrong. I say "wrong"... they're not daft, they know fine well it can. What they're doing is bluffing/gambling at everyone else's expense.

[bots]

The interesting thing is that if america loses it's position as the key world currency, it won't have the same demand for its currency. This has a huge knock on effect because if countries dont invest in the USD, then america will no longer be able to run its economy with a budget deficit. That will mean they have to pay back trillions

I can easily see a new world order coming along that just excludes America. Lets see how they like that

[user104658]

The interesting thing is that if america loses it's position as the key world currency, it won't have the same demand for its currency. This has a huge knock on effect because if countries dont invest in the USD, then america will no longer be able to run its economy with a budget deficit. That will mean they have to pay back trillions

I can easily see a new world order coming along that just excludes America. Lets see how they like that

The tinfoil hat in me might of course suggest that, if that was to happen, it was the intent of Trump/Musk and co all along. It feels too intentional.

Of course the whole thing could still be one massive bull rush scam, tanking the economy, investing heavily via proxies and then making changes/announcements designed to trigger a massive rebound. For anyone who knew such was coming... they could easily double (or more) their wealth. Yet another massive transfer of global funds upwards.

[Nicky91]

the poor working class americans amid all this :worry:

[arista]

President Live

White House