[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

That's not what happened? So, again, you're debating something no one else is.

You're not addressing what i just said . If you don't get what you want or if somebody has offended you ? is the answer to always go to court? no matter how petty it is ?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

You're not addressing what i just said . If you don't get what you want or if somebody has offended you ? is the answer to always go to court? no matter how petty it is ?

No. Because, again, that's not what happened here and is not what's being discussed.

They didn't rock up to an ice cream shop and ask for a pork sandwich.
They didn't rock up to a "Birthday Cake Bakery" and ask for a wedding cake.
They turned up at a bakery that bakes cakes for weddings and other occasions and were declined what they asked for on the basis that they are a same sex couple. (ie. discrimination).

That's what happened.

So, go off on a tangent with stories and examples that mock them, but the facts don't change.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No. Because, again, that's not what happened here and is not what's being discussed.

They didn't rock up to an ice cream shop and ask for a pork sandwich.
They didn't rock up to a "Birthday Cake Bakery" and ask for a wedding cake.
They turned up at a bakery that bakes cakes for weddings and other occasions and were declined what they asked for on the basis that they are a same sex couple. (ie. discrimination).

That's what happened.

So, go off on a tangent with stories and examples that mock them, but the facts don't change.

I never mocked anyone , i'm just giving my opinion .

There was a story about a bakery in indonesia who refused to write "merry Christmas" on a cake for a customer due to religious beliefs is that discrimination? .

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I never mocked anyone , i'm just giving my opinion .

There was a story about a bakery in indonesia who refused to write "merry Christmas" on a cake for a customer due to religious beliefs is that discrimination? .

You are.

"What if there was a bakery that only offered birthday cakes would that be discrimination to other events ? . Or what if there was a bakery that didn't do bar mitzvah celebration cakes? is that offensive to jewish people?"

This is not a comparison but a complete exaggeration and mocking of the facts.
This didn't happen.

As for the Indonesian bakery, I don't know, I haven't heard/read that story.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You are.

"What if there was a bakery that only offered birthday cakes would that be discrimination to other events ? . Or what if there was a bakery that didn't do bar mitzvah celebration cakes? is that offensive to jewish people?"

This is not a comparison but a complete exaggeration and mocking of the facts.
This didn't happen.

As for the Indonesian bakery, I don't know, I haven't heard/read that story.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se...-religious-row

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se...-religious-row

That's discrimination too.

Refusing to serve someone on the basis of their colour, race, sexuality, gender, creed etc is discrimination.

So, mocking with "You wouldn't go into a book shop and ask for a wedding cake" type facetiousness is pointless.

If they were refusing actual offensive/hateful/criminal material then that would be one thing. They're not. They're applying religious discrimination, just as the US bakery were discriminatory on the basis of sexuality.

It would be like a bakery over here turning away a Jewish family for a bar mitzvah cake on the grounds they are Christian. It's completely ridiculous.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

That's discrimination too.

Refusing to serve someone on the basis of their colour, race, sexuality, gender, creed etc is discrimination.

So, mocking with "You wouldn't go into a book shop and ask for a wedding cake" type facetiousness is pointless.

If they were refusing actual offensive/hateful/criminal material then that would be one thing. They're not. They're applying religious discrimination, just as the US bakery were discriminatory on the basis of sexuality.

It would be like a bakery over here turning away a Jewish family for a bar mitzvah cake on the grounds they are Christian. It's completely ridiculous.

But I've just shown you that article based on difference in religion views and beliefs and they don't do Christmas cakes .

And there will be places that don't do bar mitzvah cakes , not every place is going to give you what you want but they'll always be other places that do.

I just think people scream "discrimination" too much these days and it's not always as clear cut as that .

By all means if abuse and hate is there then fair enough,but these bakeries in Indonesia & America both seem polite & apologetic.