[Niamh.]

Sorry to hear about your health issues Kizzy, best of luck with your diet

[Kizzy]

Thanks you know me, as they say ' I get knocked down but I get up again!'

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well, there's some positive replies on here...
I have non alcoholic fatty liver disease ( I know lol!)
and recently a blood test showed I was pre diabetic :/
Decided to try get a handle on my health, and as it had worked before I'm giving it another go to try reduce my viseral fat.

The first time was after watching a film called ' Fat, sick and nearly dead' it followed a guy who reversed his chronic psoriasis via a juice fast.

I'm doing red and green days alternately,
Red is , carrot, red cabbage or beetroot, 1 green apple, 1 lemon and a piece of ginger root.

Green is, celery, cucumber, apple, lemon and ginger.

Sorry to hear that Kizzy, maybe be better to ask the doctor if a juice cleanse is a good idea with your diagnosis?

One of my friends in work has NAFLD, she tries to stick to eating lots of fresh fruit and veg and drinks these little protein packets twice a day I think she said they are probiotics?

Weirdly though she doesnt eat 3 meals a day but instead eats lots of smaller meals, she seems to be constantly nibbling lol

She walks a massive amount if steps per day too for exercise.

[Twosugars]

Intermittent fasting is beneficial. Like LT said, you can reverse diabetes 2 with that.

Is it a 5/2 diet Kizzy? (5 days normal diet and 2 fasting)?

[Kizzy]

I wish i was disciplined enough for 5/2, its all or nothing im afraid even though I think intermittent fasting is a great idea for health especially for those with chronic illness.

Working shifts I have totally lost any concept of balance in my diet and have lived of snacks for months and months
With any luck getting rid of my sugar and carb cravings will allow me to get back to basics and start enjoying a healthier diet going forward. I'm paying a yearly membership of our local pool/ gym next month to when this is all finished and I've dropped a bit of weight.
feeling very motivated Thanks again all!

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I wish i was disciplined enough for 5/2, its all or nothing im afraid even though I think intermittent fasting is a great idea for health especially for those with chronic illness.

Working shifts I have totally lost any concept of balance in my diet and have lived of snacks for months and months
With any luck getting rid of my sugar and carb cravings will allow me to get back to basics and start enjoying a healthier diet going forward. I'm paying a yearly membership of our local pool/ gym next month to when this is all finished and I've dropped a bit of weight.
feeling very motivated Thanks again all!

What’s stopping you trying 16/8 ??

Just means missing your breakfast each morning really ..


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[Josy]

I'm a massive fan of good ol calorie deficit tbh.

It's the only scientifically proven way to lose weight, all these other things are basically fads and none are sustainable in the long term.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Josy

I'm a massive fan of good ol calorie deficit tbh.

It's the only scientifically proven way to lose weight, all these other things are basically fads and none are sustainable in the long term.

Five years is a fad ?

When you see elite Olympic level athletes turning to intermittent fasting you know you’re onto something good .


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I guess its like diabetes in that now we know that a good specific diet can reverse it so as long as a doctor is involved in the recommendations then its all good

Yes and again intermittent fasting has been shown to successfully reverse type two diabetes.. . done properly


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[Josy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Five years is a fad ?

When you see elite Olympic level athletes turning to intermittent fasting you know you’re onto something good .


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It's not a life time way of eating so yes, a fad.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Five years is a fad ?

When you see elite Olympic level athletes turning to intermittent fasting you know you’re onto something good .


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In my understanding Josy approves of intermittent fasting when she talks of calorie deficit.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Josy

It's not a life time way of eating so yes, a fad.

Oop at my previous post.

Actually it can be a way of eating.

A friend of mine always fasts on mondays for religious reasons

Same with health motivated fasting. If you get into a routine and it makes you feel better theres nothing to say you cant carry on.

Our ancestors didnt have food available all the time so it's not as if our bodies can't cope with that.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

In my understanding Josy approves of intermittent fasting when she talks of calorie deficit.

No I dont approve of I/F at all

I dont agree that fasting for periods of time throughout the day with a certain 'window's of time where you can eat is a healthy long term sustainable way to lose or keep at a healthy weight.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Oop at my previous post.



Actually it can be a way of eating.



A friend of mine always fasts on mondays for religious reasons



Same with health motivated fasting. If you get into a routine and it makes you feel better theres nothing to say you cant carry on.



Our ancestors didnt have food available all the time so it's not as if our bodies can't cope with that.

Yes so they fast for 1 day, not every single day forever hence it not being sustainable long term

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Josy

It's not a life time way of eating so yes, a fad.

Many have done it for decades .. I haven’t had breakfast for five years .

How is that a fad?


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Oop at my previous post.



Actually it can be a way of eating.



A friend of mine always fasts on mondays for religious reasons



Same with health motivated fasting. If you get into a routine and it makes you feel better theres nothing to say you cant carry on.



Our ancestors didnt have food available all the time so it's not as if our bodies can't cope with that.

That’s where it all originates from .. nobody has breakfast ‘back in the day’ ...

Imagine the battle of Hastings ... you think they all got up early and enjoyed a full English then went off to slaughter each other all day ..


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[Josy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Many have done it for decades .. I haven’t had breakfast for five years .

How is that a fad?


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Well that's not entirely true tbf, if you have a fasting window and you then 'break your fast' for that day, that's officially your breakfast

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yes so they fast for 1 day, not every single day forever hence it not being sustainable long term

Intermittent fasting of 16/8 ( or my 19/5) involves not eating for 16 or 19 hour periods EVERY DAY .. it’s nothing to do with the 5/2 version where they simply reduce their calorie intake to 600 cals twice a week .


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Josy

Well that's not entirely true tbf, if you have a fasting window and you then 'break your fast' for that day, that's officially your breakfast

That’s just being silly ..


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[Josy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

That’s just being silly ..


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No it isnt, it's true

[thesheriff443]

My brothers son who nineteen and over 6 foot wants gain weight.

I think it’s down to a person metabolism, as another friend can eat for England and never gains weight.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Josy

No I dont approve of I/F at all

I dont agree that fasting for periods of time throughout the day with a certain 'window's of time where you can eat is a healthy long term sustainable way to lose or keep at a healthy weight.

It's just a different way of distributing calorie deficit.
The science backs it up so we have to agree to disagree

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Josy

Well that's not entirely true tbf, if you have a fasting window and you then 'break your fast' for that day, that's officially your breakfast

Historically that's where the word came from. But I sense they meant fasting overnight so it comes back to the same thing ie a morning meal

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

It's just a different way of distributing calorie deficit.

The science backs it up so we have to agree to disagree

That depends what they choose to eat in the non fasting window they could binge depending on the person

But starving the body (because that's what it is) for so many hours out of each day does not bode well for having a healthy relationship with food in the future/long term IMO

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Josy

That depends what they choose to eat in the non fasting window they could binge depending on the person

But starving the body (because that's what it is) for so many hours out of each day does not bode well for having a healthy relationship with food in the future/long term IMO

The assumption is they eat a balanced diet afaik. Fasting is not a licence to be a pig at other times obviously.
You have eg 5 days of your full calorific allowance, say 2000 kcal and 2 days on 500.
These may not be exact figures but you get the picture.