[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

when you have the ability to speak for "most people " I am sure that you can make that proclamation

Fair enough, but...

The bench looks better black and i am quite sure more people will sit there to "chat" than in its current activist state

When you have the ability to know what will motivate "more people" to sit and "chat" I am sure that you can make that proclamation.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Fair enough, but...



When you have the ability to know what will motivate "more people" to sit and "chat" I am sure that you can make that proclamation.

[bots]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Of course there is a chance, but in the same way I didn't mention they were probably white, I don't see why anyone needs to mention they are potential Muslim. I am saying that as we don't know the identity of the vandal, or the motivation behind it, why do we need to dwell on the race or ethnicity or religion of the person who did it?

You seem to think I am against any kind of criticism of ethnic minorities, despite me calling a religion many of them follow gross, multiple times.

Mentioning the issues of Islam is fine when it's related to the topic at hand. When it's not, when it's mentioned as a way to try and score points, it' comes across as racially motivated hatred.

Of course there is a chance it was done by someone who following Islam and hates gays and wanted to erase what they thought was a symbol of them. My question is, when it was done in a town where just 1.84% of the population is non-white, why did you mind go to "it must have been a Muslim" first?

I do think it's worth dwelling on when there is an entire culture out there that thinks its ok to throw gays off buildings. The more that culture is brought into the country, the more incidents you are going to get. It's simple statistics. It seems insane for people to tie themselves in knots trying to ignore it

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Livia didn't say or infer it must have been a muslim. Just that it was a possibility. She's so absolutely not showing any racially motivated hatred whatsoever, it's not in her nature. I know her very well.

Both her and Cherie went directly in with "this is what happens when we import boatloads of people" and "we tend not to throw people off buildings for being gay in this country". It was literally their first response to this article which mentions race or religion zero times.

Why mention it? Of course it's a possibility. But it's also a possibility it's someone who is Catholic. Or Buddhist. Or an Atheist. Why mention just that one possibility?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Fair enough, but...



When you have the ability to know what will motivate "more people" to sit and "chat" I am sure that you can make that proclamation.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

All we have to do is imagine Muslims will be willing to sit on the same bench as gay people for that chat and everything will be fine.

[Kate!]

Well it is a very strong possibility to be fair. That it could have been a muslim I mean.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Fair enough, but...



When you have the ability to know what will motivate "more people" to sit and "chat" I am sure that you can make that proclamation.

"Most people with critical thinking skills and a shred of emotional intelligence wouldn't be put off sitting on a bench because of... a rainbow."

is not the same as

" i am quite sure more people will sit there to "chat" than in its current activist state"

For a start I don't insult people with my post unlike you do and secondly, I state its my opinion where as you make out it is the accepted opinion


I prefer my approach, perhaps on reflection you will too..

[Livia]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Both her and Cherie went directly in with "this is what happens when we import boatloads of people" and "we tend not to throw people off buildings for being gay in this country". It was literally their first response to this article which mentions race or religion zero times.

Why mention it? Of course it's a possibility. But it's also a possibility it's someone who is Catholic. Or Buddhist. Or an Atheist. Why mention just that one possibility?

When was the last time a catholic hanged a gay from a crane just for being gay?

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by bots

I do think it's worth dwelling on when there is an entire culture out there that thinks its ok to throw gays off buildings. The more that culture is brought into the country, the more incidents you are going to get. It's simple statistics. It seems insane for people to tie themselves in knots trying to ignore it

Nobody is ignoring it, they are just saying in this case it's pointless to dwell. If you care about statistics, why are you ignoring the statistic that the place in which it took place is almost 99% white and almost 99% of the towns population are either Catholic or Atheist. Do those statistics matter.

You know, one of the reasons Pride is still so important, as many an LGBT person will tell you, is because as a community we recognise the issues faced globally, not just locally. Nobody is ignoring it.

I am all for dwelling on homophobic incidences in the UK that are religiously motivated, regardless of the religion. Absolutely. However, in this particularly instance, there is no proof it was a religiously motivated attack and so speculation will just breed needless hate.

I do get the fine balance between being a country that embraces multiculturalism while ensuring we promote key values of modern Britain, of which many values of Islam faith, for example, really collide with. We need to limit that bleeding into our culture for the safety of the British people, but that doesn't mean speculating and finger-pointing without evidence or need. That's racially motivated for no reason and undermines tackling such issues when it IS relevant.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

When was the last time a catholic hanged a gay from a crane just for being gay?

Is this a story about someone being hanged from a crane or was it a story about a rainbow being painted over?

What a bizarre reply. I'm not having this conversation with you anymore, you're not even considering the context which surrounds this discussion.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Imagine being so desperate to twist everything into your culture war bingo card that you can’t just call out bigotry without adding some weird whataboutism.

It is homophobic to vandalize a Pride symbol, even though in this instant Pride isn’t part of it, just low intelligence, no matter who does it or what religion they follow. It doesn’t magically become acceptable because of any other cause. You don’t have to invent these bizarre double standards—just say it’s hateful and pathetic, full stop.

Erm, you and your fellow LGBTQ rainbow worshippersare claiming this is an attack on LGBTQ, just cause a rainbow got painted over...No proof whatsoever as to why it was painted over...never miss a chance to make it all about them.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Is this a story about someone being hanged from a crane or was it a story about a rainbow being painted over?

What a bizarre reply. I'm not having this conversation with you anymore, you're not even considering the context which surrounds this discussion.

You're a critical thinker, you try and work out the connection.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Beso

Erm, you and your fellow LGBTQ rainbow worshippersare claiming this is an attack on LGBTQ, just cause a rainbow got painted over...No proof whatsoever as to why it was painted over...never miss a chance to make it all about them.

"Rainbow bench that had nothing to do with Pride painted black by vandals"

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/new...inted-10316026

so the whole thread premise is wrong and is based on a false accusation

can the poster alter the title?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Beso

Erm, you and your fellow LGBTQ rainbow worshippersare claiming this is an attack on LGBTQ, just cause a rainbow got painted over...No proof whatsoever as to why it was painted over...never miss a chance to make it all about them.

It is only a moron would think it wasn’t. A homophobic moron with zero critical thinking thought this was a pride bench.

[Glenn.]

Not surprising at all to see it being dismissed

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Not surprising at all to see it being dismissed

just change your title. its wrong

[Glenn.]

If you’re saying it’s wrong I’m gonna go ahead and keep it how it is. We both know it’s not chap

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

If you’re saying it’s wrong I’m gonna go ahead and keep it how it is. We both know it’s not chap

Eh? It is wrong though. You made a big deal of saying its nothing to do with pride? Now you're insisting it was homophobic when it may or may not have been. Unless you can read minds now. You've destroyed your own argument.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Eh? It is wrong though. You made a big deal of saying its nothing to do with pride? Now you're insisting it was homophobic when it may or may not have been. Unless you can read minds now. You've destroyed your own argument.

No no. I said the bench has nothing to do with pride. It was vandalised by an idiot that thought it was. You see homophobes don’t have much upstairs in terms of intelligence.
It’s pretty easy to see why it was vandalised. That much is evident.

Obviously not for some

[Niamh.]

It's far more likely to have been someone who was homophobic than someone who just prefers to sit on a black bench...............imo

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

No no. I said the bench has nothing to do with pride. It was vandalised by an idiot that thought it was. You see homophobes don’t have much upstairs in terms of intelligence.
It’s pretty easy to see why it was vandalised. That much is evident.

Obviously not for some

Oh I see, you know exactly what was in this morons mind then? Silly me. I'm not saying it's not highly likely, I do agree with it being very probable but not so daft as to announce it as fact like you have.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Oh I see, you know exactly what was in this morons mind then? Silly me. I'm not saying it's not highly likely, I do agree with it being very probable but not so daft as to announce it as fact like you have.

That’s the privilege of having critical thought

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's far more likely to have been someone who was homophobic than someone who just prefers to sit on a black bench...............imo

I mean it’s pretty obvious

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

That’s the privilege of having critical thought

More like cynical thought.

[Glenn.]

It’s not cynical to state the obvious