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Originally Posted by angus58

Well I know plenty of people who do just fine on far less than £30,000 AND they don't go down the social with their hands out, AND they limit their families to the amount of kids they can afford to have so what bloody planet do you live on if you think £30k is **** all? I also live practically on top of Lewisham, probably one of the ****tiest boroughs in London, so don't give me a load of BS about how tough it is to live in London compared to elsewhere. London wages are proportionately higher for the same job done elsewhere in the country, it's called London Weighting. As for never having worked in the public sector, you know nothing about me whatsoever. I worked as a civil servant at the Home Office for 9 years so keep your useless assumptions to yourself. And public sector workers have no more right than those in the private sector to wage increases, pensions, bonuses etc, never mind their jobs. Why should their jobs and wages be protected over and above those working in the private sector?

As regards the bankers - well it was the LABOUR party that chucked everyone's hard earned cash at them wasn't it? Oh, and plenty of Labour voters and Labour MPs alike displayed plenty of "unfettered greed" and took full advantage to enhance their own lifestyles. Hypocrites? Much.

Yet here you are, still trying to shift the blame for the useless and incompetent arseholes finally kicked out of power after THIRTEEN long years, during which they achieved virtually nothing except to leave us all in the ****. Or is that the signature whinge of every socialist? That it's always someone else's fault.

As for the "utter savagery of the cuts" - they don't go nearly far enough IMO, and that's from someone whose income is far, far less than £30k a year!

....as I said Labour adopted Tory policy there mate and that was a costly mistake, Thatcher was right New Labour was the best thing she ever did and if you cant see that, thats your problem....Im not shifting the blame Im just pointing out where it all started and you still seem to think its fair to make ordinary hard working families suffer when it wasnt their doing. £30k is **** all for a family in London I dont care what you say, why should hard working Dr's Nurses Teachers Police Firemen (people who save lives and protect you) not have a decent standard of living while bankers are still getting massive bonuses and STILL taking the same risks as they always were?