[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by angus58

I didn't actually say that YOU were accusing anyone of racism - I was actually pointing out that the views expressed in the article were merely those of one so called "expert". I absolutely agree that there is a degree of scaremongering going on, but the point I was making is that by surpressing legitimate debate by pooh poohing people's concerns is counterproductive - far better to just allow people to voice their concerns and put them straight with actual facts and figures.

Even if it were the case that white Britons WILL be a minority in this country in 50 odd years, the fact is that in the article, the intervening half century of change, adaptation and assimilation that would have to take place, has largely been disregarded as if it were irrelevant.

Oh okay, I getcha, sorry for taking a sarky tone.

I just don't think it can happen over such a short amount of time naturally, I think EVENTUALLY we'll have a more balanced ratio of races in the UK due to interracial relationships and such which is far from a bad thing. I can't see a change happening in 50 years though, it's too short for a natural change to occur.

[Beso]

Hey where did my post go..god, sorry for the caps, usually they change into small case anyway..

What I was sayoing is i'm pig sick of hearing people who live in happy town where trees are green and birds don't **** how they don't care what colour or language people spk..wait until it happens to you and your happy little dream world without your local councdil giving you a say or a thank you or whatever then lets see you hum the waltons tune on a day to day basis..

[Jamietwo]

I don't care what colour people are , I'm more concerned if they are friendly and polite and the crime levels etc. I'm not bothered about Polish immigrants at all, but there have been government reports about alarming crime levels by people who are of afro Caribbean descent. I've lived in areas where the population was majority afro Caribbean, never again, the homophobia and attitude was intolerable, my best mate was covered in petrol and set on fire and he isn't even camp or anything. The whole gangsta drugs violence absent father culture is intolerable. Anyway i'm moving to another country next year.

[Shaun]

Don't suppose this happens to come from The Sun or the Daily Mail, does it?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

"daily mail "


No Dezzy
they are not that silly.

Someone asked for the source of this article, it is not from a tabloid.
http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/articles.a...ntid=155283824

[Boothy]

Originally Posted by Tom

Some of you have real Disney views where everyone should be welcome everywhere and everyone should get along. The reality is Britain is a white English speaking country. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to emigrate here but there is definitely a line crossed when you're an ethnic minority in your own country

This

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Makes no difference to me. At all. Who cares what color people are. The only problem I do have (and no doubt I will be flamed for being 'racist') is when people live here but refuse to speak english.

The blokes who own our corner shop, speak perfect english when you meet them outside of work, however...they tend to fritter off into another language whenever you are in the actual shop. Probably bitching about the customers...as I see no other reason for it.

And also this.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Makes no difference to me. At all. Who cares what color people are. The only problem I do have (and no doubt I will be flamed for being 'racist') is when people live here but refuse to speak english.

The blokes who own our corner shop, speak perfect english when you meet them outside of work, however...they tend to fritter off into another language whenever you are in the actual shop. Probably bitching about the customers...as I see no other reason for it.

For convenience's sake? If I moved to, say, Germany with a friend or my family - would I continually speak to them in German?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

For convenience's sake? If I moved to, say, Germany with a friend or my family - would I continually speak to them in German?

I still find it ignorant tbh.

If you could speak perfect german, would you still chose to speak in english around other people who could not speak english?

Especially if you had a business which would generally require you to speak in german for the customers to understand you...

[Niall]

This is from the Daily Mai- sorry Fail right?

So why are we listening to them? Its a pile of poo. The government have actually begun to listen to the facts on immigration now and if they have well over 50 years to sort the mess out then why is everyone getting so hot and bothered about it?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

'white' britons?

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I still find it ignorant tbh.

If you could speak perfect german, would you still chose to speak in english around other people who could not speak english?

Especially if you had a business which would generally require you to speak in german for the customers to understand you...

Well that's exactly my point - not many foreign-born people do speak perfect English, just as many of us don't speak another language perfectly. The difference is they NEEDED to move abroad to find work, we don't. They have enough to worry about other than judgmental English folk scolding them for not greeting every customer with an 'awright guv'nor?'

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Well that's exactly my point - not many foreign-born people do speak perfect English, just as many of us don't speak another language perfectly. The difference is they NEEDED to move abroad to find work, we don't. They have enough to worry about other than judgmental English folk scolding them for not greeting every customer with an 'awright guv'nor?'

Yes, but the example I gave, they DO speak perfect English. We are actually quite good mates with 3 of the 4 that work there, and have been out drinking and such with them

They just chose not to, and as I said, I can think of no reason at all to speak foreign around english customers at work...except to slag them off :S

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes, but the example I gave, they DO speak perfect English. We are actually quite good mates with 3 of the 4 that work there, and have been out drinking and such with them

They just chose not to, and as I said, I can think of no reason at all to speak foreign around english customers at work...except to slag them off :S

Oh right. Well I guess it must just be a convenience thing...and yea probably bitching about you too

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Oh right. Well I guess it must just be a convenience thing...and yea probably bitching about you too

Am used to it, just prefer when I hear/understand the attempts at whispering instead, too nosey and like to hear what people say about me/others

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I still find it ignorant tbh.

If you could speak perfect german, would you still chose to speak in english around other people who could not speak english?

Especially if you had a business which would generally require you to speak in german for the customers to understand you...

Its not a conversation involving you so you shouldn't be so nosey

As I said a few posts back I speak OK Spanish but still speak English when over there and with another English person. Its not ignorant, its just easier

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Tom

Its not a conversation involving you so you shouldn't be so nosey

As I said a few posts back I speak OK Spanish but still speak English when over there and with another English person. Its not ignorant, its just easier

OK spanish is a little different to perfect though, and surely if you had a business in spain you would make the effort to try and speak spanish to the non-english speaking folk who were spending money?

As for the first bit, yeah, far too nosey for my own good

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Why shouldn't they? Every single person on this planet is exactly the same, regardless of personalities, skin colour etc, at the end of the day - we all share one thing in common - we're all human. So thus why does it matter if countries supposedly 'lose their identity' to foreigners outnumbering them? If they're not breaking the law what does it really matter? Surely we should all be entitled to live wherever we want on this planet?

[GiRTh]

As the son of an immigrant, I have absolutely no problem with this. For those who are concerned can I ask what are the emotions you feel? Fear, anger, disgust, what exactly are you so concerned about? Losing the identity of 'white' Britain is surely only appropriate for people who can remember 'white' Britain. I fear most of you were not around when this country was almost exclusively white so why are you so bothered?

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

OK spanish is a little different to perfect though, and surely if you had a business in spain you would make the effort to try and speak spanish to the non-english speaking folk who were spending money?

As for the first bit, yeah, far too nosey for my own good

I'm bi-lingual and speak Spanish.. The Spanish really don't have the same concept of racism as the English do.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I'm bi-lingual and speak Spanish.. The Spanish really don't have the same concept of racism as the English do.

Erm, what on earth does that have to do with what I wrote

I was simply asking if living in spain, and being able to speak spanish, when running a business, surely you would speak spanish to customers who are only able to speak spanish themselves :S

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I'm bi-lingual and speak Spanish.. The Spanish really don't have the same concept of racism as the English do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_H...n#Racial_abuse

[fruit_cake]

erm.. In Spain maybe if you're black they'll shout monkey noises at you, if your fat they'll call you fat or if you're ugly they'll call you ugly.. whereas in England fat or ugly people are allowed to be abused but black people are not.. The Spanish would probably say that is the real racism.

I remember being called Spanish bitch once at school and the teacher told them of for calling me Spanish.. it was apparently fine to call me a bitch though. I'm not even Spanish really. Weird standards the English have for racism with your anti-racism banners everywhere. yet you are allowed to call people bitches no problem.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

erm.. In Spain maybe if you're black they'll shout monkey noises at you, if your fat they'll call you fat or if you're ugly they'll call you ugly.. whereas in England fat people are allowed to be abused but black people are not.. The Spanish would probably say that is the real racism.

I remember being called Spanish bitch once at school and the teacher told them of for calling me Spanish.. it was apparently fine to call me a bitch though. I'm not even Spanish really. Weird standards the English have for racism with your anti-racism banners everywhere. yet you are allowed to call people bitches no problem.

Yes, what weird standards we have where it's unacceptable to shout out monkey noises at black people(!)

You cant compare calling someone fat, or saying someone is a bitch, to racially abusing somebody.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yes, what weird standards we have where it's unacceptable to shout out monkey noises at black people(!)

You cant compare calling someone fat, or saying someone is a bitch, to racially abusing somebody.

why can you not compare them?? because you say so?? MTVN It you are being victimised it doesn't matter whether its because you are fat or because of your skin colour...

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

why can you not compare them?? because you say so?? MTVN It you are being victimised it doesn't matter whether its because you are fat or because of your skin colour...

Fat people have an element of control over how they look, they only really have themselves to blame for being the size they are and they are well within their capabilities to silm down, it's a health issue you cant say the same about somebodys race.

Black people cannot change their skin colour, they cannot change the way they were born. A self-inflicted health problem and somebodys race are not comparable. And if you want to look back through the history of discrimination I wonder whos had it worse? I doubt it's those who get the odd "fat" jibe every now and then