[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Actually, considering the chat threads have been brought into the discussion more than once in here, I'll presume I'm in this "pack" as a regular user of them? (also the reference to several bans but we won't quibble )

I'd actually say, the group comes across as an "isolated pack" due to other members not wanting to engage in discussion in the chat thread rather than the "group" purposely excluding anyone. As I mentioned earlier, Drew removing himself from Riggins and moving over to the Lounge and posting that he'd moved over was to exclude himself. Did he feel driven out? Was he purposely driven out? No, he chose to do that and that's all there is to it.

The frequent users like Luke, Jay, Lostie, Tom, Ashley, Dollface, etc are not the type of users to pounce on a new member who doesn't 'have enough posts' or whatever either.

I feel a tonne of problems with the forum are being applied in one area and blamed on the same people and it's unwarranted IMO.

Steady on Marsh, I only posted in there twice. I haven't removed myself from it, I'm just taking my discussions elsewhere because it's impossible to hold a conversation for more than 2 posts before they get swarmed up in gifs, song lyrics or other people's discussions about things we don't have in common.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Drew.

Steady on Marsh, I only posted in there twice. I haven't removed myself from it, I'm just taking my discussions elsewhere because it's impossible to hold a conversation for more than 2 posts before they get swarmed up in gifs, song lyrics or other people's discussions about things we don't have in common.

Yeah, we won't quibble over semantics.

But we agree why you did it. It wasn't pack mentality or "clique". You simply chose yourself to move over. No one's fault. The nature of the beast.

The point of me using you as an example was just to highlight you removed yourself, you weren't forced out or "excluded".

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, we won't quibble over semantics.

But we agree why you did it. It wasn't pack mentality or "clique". You simply chose yourself to move over. No one's fault. The nature of the beast.

The point of me using you as an example was just to highlight you removed yourself, you weren't forced out or "excluded".

I didnt really want to get involved in this but if you've got a history with another member where they've done something towards you or attacked you in some kinda way or you're being surrounded by members that are known for doing things offsite and have bans to prove that then in some ways it does feel like you're being forced out of threads like Riggins. I'm not saying it's intentional or that's a reason I don't post in there when other people do but i can imagine it plays a part in people posting less.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Drew.

I didnt really want to get involved in this but if you've got a history with another member where they've done something towards you or attacked you in some kinda way or you're being surrounded by members that are known for doing things offsite and have bans to prove that then in some ways it does feel like you're being forced out of threads like Riggins. I'm not saying it's intentional or that's a reason I don't post in there when other people do but i can imagine it plays a part in people posting less.

Well, the only members I'm aware of getting into trouble for offsite things have only recently slowly been unbanned and the rest are permabanned. I wasn't one of them so I suppose I can't make much comment on that.

But in terms of the recent move from the closed "asylum" thread to Riggins, the majority of those members (Lostie as an example) have never been banned so I'm confused about which alleged pack the thread is focussing on.

It appears to me everyone has a certain issue on the forum (some very well warranted) but this thread is making it appear it's all the same people or a "group" and thus it's becoming very confusing too focus in on any one area.

As Luke mentioned on the last page, I think more of the recent chat threads sourness is down to a couple of individuals who have actually not been involved in offsite stuff but drama has certainly decreased in their absence.

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, the only members I'm aware of getting into trouble for offsite things have only recently slowly been unbanned and the rest are permabanned. I wasn't one of them so I suppose I can't make much comment on that.

But in terms of the recent move from the closed "asylum" thread to Riggins, the majority of those members (Lostie as an example) have never been banned so I'm confused about which alleged pack the thread is focussing on.

It appears to me everyone has a certain issue on the forum (some very well warranted) but this thread is making it appear it's all the same people or a "group" and thus it's becoming very confusing.

I wouldn't say it's the main reason or the only reason.. It might only apply to a few people who don't feel comfortable on here around certain members.. But it applies to the feeling forced out of threads topic. I have no idea what goes on offsite but you and I know that there's probably a lot goes on offsite that members don't get banned on here for, you could see why some people don't feel comfortable in certain threads.

But like Jake said, there's that reason too.. There's probably loads of different reasons. I think it's a good idea there's always two chat threads though. I don't know how the mods can make it work because ones always getting closed but on a site with as many mixed personalities as there are it's not a good idea to have everyone stuck to just the one chat thread.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Drew.

I wouldn't say it's the main reason or the only reason.. It might only apply to a few people who don't feel comfortable on here around certain members.. But it applies to the feeling forced out of threads topic. I have no idea what goes on offsite but you and I know that there's probably a lot goes on offsite that members don't get banned on here for, you could see why some people don't feel comfortable in certain threads.

But like Jake said, there's that reason too.. There's probably loads of different reasons. I think it's a good idea there's always two chat threads though. I don't know how the mods can make it work because ones always getting closed but on a site with as many mixed personalities as there are it's not a good idea to have everyone stuck to just the one chat thread.

Now, on that I totally agree.