[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He was always coveting his neighbours Club though

no that was his wife as he had rather a big one

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no that was his wife as he had rather a big one

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Eh?

That's called different people believing different things.

I think you've confused yourself.

Me believing A and you believing B isn't proof of either one of us being wrong. But this is oversimplifying a very complex topic.

No i've confused you

But which is the real true religion A(many gods) or B(one almighty god) both cannot be the answer.They are a contradiction.There is either one or many.I believe there are non but for a believer either A or B can only be correct not both.So if A is wrong then why can't B also be wrong?This is why i'm not religious.All religions past and present are equal in authenticity to me.It is the most logical outcome.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

No i've confused you

But which is the real true religion A(many gods) or B(one almighty god) both cannot be the answer.They are a contradiction.There is either one or many.I believe there are non but for a believer either A or B can only be correct not both.So if A is wrong then why can't B also be wrong?This is why i'm not religious.All religions past and present are equal in authenticity to me.It is the most logical outcome.

Yeah that's a good point, why is the Christian God any more valid than say Norse Gods?

***Hoping for Thor to be real tbh

[VanessaFeltz.]

Because gods are asheamed of what they have done

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MelihV

Because gods are asheamed of what they have done

When it should really be men who are ashamed.

[Livia]

I wonder that people who aren't religious don't realise that their constant conversations about how people who believe in God, believe in fairy tales, and how all religions are the same as say, Norse Gods, and how people cling to God as a kind of emotional crutch. It's like you are in possession of some facts to which I'm not privy. And you're not. I'm really surprised that no one realises how insulting it is to people like myself who do have a religion and yet don't ever push my religion on any of you, and would never.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I wonder that people who aren't religious don't realise that their constant conversations about how people who believe in God, believe in fairy tales, and how all religions are the same as say, Norse Gods, and how people cling to God as a kind of emotional crutch. It's like you are in possession of some facts to which I'm not privy. And you're not. I'm really surprised that no one realises how insulting it is to people like myself who do have a religion and yet don't ever push my religion on any of you, and would never.

No you haven't Livia but Religion was most certainly pushed on me so I have every right to comment on it tyvm

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No you haven't Livia but Religion was most certainly pushed on me so I have every right to comment on it tyvm

Comment, yes. But the piss taking nature of all the religious threads are a bit much. Having religion pushed on you doesn't give you the right to lump all religious people together as if we're all lacking something in the brains department.

I see plenty of respect on here for people with no religion and their right to their opinion. A little respect back the other way would be lovely.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I wonder that people who aren't religious don't realise that their constant conversations about how people who believe in God, believe in fairy tales, and how all religions are the same as say, Norse Gods, and how people cling to God as a kind of emotional crutch. It's like you are in possession of some facts to which I'm not privy. And you're not. I'm really surprised that no one realises how insulting it is to people like myself who do have a religion and yet don't ever push my religion on any of you, and would never.

I realise that some people can find these things insulting, but then, I don't consider the risk of causing personal offense to be a barrier to having (any) conversation or debate. It registers a flat zero on the TS scale of important stuff. I'd be VERY surprised if you're losing any sleep over it Livia, or being genuinely harmed in any way more than a very mild and quickly disregarded sting, so it's a bit of a non-issue really. Such claims of "taking offense" usually feel, to me, like a way to dishonestly shut down the discussion... which just isn't kosher ( ... )

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I realise that some people can find these things insulting, but then, I don't consider the risk of causing personal offense to be a barrier to having (any) conversation or debate. It registers a flat zero on the TS scale of important stuff. I'd be VERY surprised if you're losing any sleep over it Livia, or being genuinely harmed in any way more than a very mild and quickly disregarded sting, so it's a bit of a non-issue really. Such claims of "taking offense" usually feel, to me, like a way to dishonestly shut down the discussion... which just isn't kosher ( ... )

What all those words mean is that you not only reserve the right to insult me but also to quantify the how insulted I might be by it.

I'm not trying to shut down the discussion, I'm asking you to stop the piss-taking because that's what all these discussions dissolve into - a massive piss-take. You don't believe. I accept and respect that. Such a shame that's not a two-way street.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Comment, yes. But the piss taking nature of all the religious threads are a bit much. Having religion pushed on you doesn't give you the right to lump all religious people together as if we're all lacking something in the brains department.

I see plenty of respect on here for people with no religion and their right to their opinion. A little respect back the other way would be lovely.

I'm sorry but I don't respect religion, those are my actual views. I have never once commented on Religious people by the way, I've only ever spoke about Religion as a whole or God/Gods

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

What all those words mean is that you not only reserve the right to insult me but also to quantify the how insulted I might be by it.

I'm not trying to shut down the discussion, I'm asking you to stop the piss-taking because that's what all these discussions dissolve into - a massive piss-take. You don't believe. I accept and respect that. Such a shame that's not a two-way street.

You have to realise that the vast majority of people see religion as one piss take

I dont see any difference in believing in gods as believing in the Loch Ness Monster and if i made a thread about that it would be full of jokes and piss takes and i am sure you would join in

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they were to the Celts the Greeks the Romans and the Chinese

even a caveman knew how to look after his family and that killing neighbours was probably going to lead to reprisals


common sense innit

Yeah, the Romans were the epitome of morals.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You have to realise that the vast majority of people see religion as one piss take

I dont see any difference in believing in gods as believing in the Loch Ness Monster and if i made a thread about that it would be full of jokes and piss takes and i am sure you would join in

It's already a proven fact that sightings of the Loch Ness monster were u peeing in the Scottish rivers.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's already a proven fact that sightings of the Loch Ness monster were u peeing in the Scottish rivers.

Oh Marsh he's going to take that as some kind of compliment you know

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's already a proven fact that sightings of the Loch Ness monster were u peeing in the Scottish rivers.

why thankyou

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

What all those words mean is that you not only reserve the right to insult me but also to quantify the how insulted I might be by it.

I'm not trying to shut down the discussion, I'm asking you to stop the piss-taking because that's what all these discussions dissolve into - a massive piss-take. You don't believe. I accept and respect that. Such a shame that's not a two-way street.

I reserve the right to make comments that are not directed at anyone in particular, but might cause offense to some people for various reasons, yes. I don't reserve the right to quantify how insulted you are, you can be as insulted by it as you please, I was guessing that it probably doesn't define your day but whether it does or not is entirely irrelevant... because I don't decide what I will or won't say based on whether or not others might or might not be offended by it. Which was the point.

As for piss-taking... I honestly think that's subjective. I think LT has maybe been baiting a bit, but that's not really my business. Comparing organised religions to fairytales, dragons, ancient mythology such as the Greek and Norse gods I can appreciate might FEEL like a piss take to a religious person - in a "how can my religion be compared to something obviously fictional??" sort of way - but I'm not piss taking. People who follow and believe the words in the bible and people who follow and believe the words in any other fictional text genuinely and 100% fall under the same banner for me, as a non-religious person. It's not intended to be mocking, it's the best way to illustrate a stance. Deliberately avoiding saying "piss-takey" things like that about religion suggests an elevated status for religion... which suggests an acceptance that they could be true and might not be fiction... which is not my stance. They are simply as fictional as any other fiction, and have exactly the same likelihood of actually turning out to contain truth .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh Marsh he's going to take that as some kind of compliment you know

Those sightings were thought to be Bessie, Nessie's teeny... tiny little sister.

[user104658]

...but yeah it was LT's nob.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Can we keep my knob out of SD please



For Gods sake

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

Comment, yes. But the piss taking nature of all the religious threads are a bit much. Having religion pushed on you doesn't give you the right to lump all religious people together as if we're all lacking something in the brains department.

I see plenty of respect on here for people with no religion and their right to their opinion. A little respect back the other way would be lovely.

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You have to realise that the vast majority of people see religion as one piss take

I dont see any difference in believing in gods as believing in the Loch Ness Monster and if i made a thread about that it would be full of jokes and piss takes and i am sure you would join in

I don't believe in gods or religions but that's not really a valid example. Thats like comparing believing in Aliens to believing in a god. Nodody worships or dedicates their life sacrificing things for Aliens or the Loch Ness monster.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You have to realise that the vast majority of people see religion as one piss take

I dont see any difference in believing in gods as believing in the Loch Ness Monster and if i made a thread about that it would be full of jokes and piss takes and i am sure you would join in

that is simply untrue, this site does not represent the masses, thankfully

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I reserve the right to make comments that are not directed at anyone in particular, but might cause offense to some people for various reasons, yes. I don't reserve the right to quantify how insulted you are, you can be as insulted by it as you please, I was guessing that it probably doesn't define your day but whether it does or not is entirely irrelevant... because I don't decide what I will or won't say based on whether or not others might or might not be offended by it. Which was the point.

As for piss-taking... I honestly think that's subjective. I think LT has maybe been baiting a bit, but that's not really my business. Comparing organised religions to fairytales, dragons, ancient mythology such as the Greek and Norse gods I can appreciate might FEEL like a piss take to a religious person - in a "how can my religion be compared to something obviously fictional??" sort of way - but I'm not piss taking. People who follow and believe the words in the bible and people who follow and believe the words in any other fictional text genuinely and 100% fall under the same banner for me, as a non-religious person. It's not intended to be mocking, it's the best way to illustrate a stance. Deliberately avoiding saying "piss-takey" things like that about religion suggests an elevated status for religion... which suggests an acceptance that they could be true and might not be fiction... which is not my stance. They are simply as fictional as any other fiction, and have exactly the same likelihood of actually turning out to contain truth .

So its subjective to insult religious people, but offensive to offend other people? total hypocrisy. Theres nothing constructive or respectful about this or any other Christian or religion bashing thread, its shameful. threads mocking homosexuality would soon be pulled down. Respect works both ways.