[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I just don't get it! He has been nothing but nice to him, Ms yet this tool is always hostile to him. I didn't notice until last night show. I think he was trying to anger Raph, so I'm glad he didn't take the bait.

Joe might be an asshole, I don't like him, but he just clearly read Raph correctly from the get go.

Joe went in with the understanding that this is a game, and he knows that Raph is a super fan and pegged him right from the start as a game player.

It all went down hill from there.

Sometimes age brings wisdom and insight.