[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

It is a medical treatment, as its done to relieve dysphoria.

The 50% figure is a bit wrong though, 50% of transpeople will not actually kill themselves. They will attempt to though, which is obviously a problem. Its unclear whether this is because of the sex dysphoria or because of underlying mental health issues that seem extremely prevalent though.

People took the piss when I mentioned my family member before (in a serious debates thread) as it was a long introduction, so I will instead say cousin. She has had hormones for the past 10 years and has had a boob job (paid for herself, before you go off on one) but has had absolutely huge issues finding a suitable therapist to try and work through her issues as apparently they absolutely have to go down the affirmation route. She wants to come to terms with being male, and while she does want genital surgery, her partner says that...bluntly...she wants a penis to shag as she is not a lesbian. So my cousin is between a rock and a hard place, wanting full SRS but if she gets it she will be single. So has been trying to find a counsellor to help her try and get over the dysphoria. And found it ridiculously hard to do so. She does have one now though, but it took forever.

I do not see it the same as gay conversion therapy at all. Gay people are gay. Where male people are male. Female people are female. So basically...gay conversion therapy is trying to get someone to get over what they are. Where therapy to help trans people come to terms with their sex, it trying to help them to get over what they are not. Obviously this kind of approach would not work for all trans people, maybe not even many...but the option should be there, and easy to find.

My point and the subject of this thread and poll is, people can have whatever op they want,as long as they pay for it

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

My point and the subject of this thread and poll is, people can have whatever op they want,as long as they pay for it

I get thats the point of the poll. Just felt I had to reply to that as its false that its not a medical treatment. It clearly is a medical treatment. Jurys out on if it should be actually paid for on the NHS. I don't know how I feel about that myself and do think that this whole thing is going to get worse as the NHS becomes more and more skint.

I think my opinion on this is probably that the therapies and hormones and such should be provided on the NHS. But actual SRS should be means tested. If its deemed to be absolutely necessary and the person cannot afford it then yes, NHS. But if they can afford to pay then thats how it should be.

That opens the door though to many many issues and a whole other debate though. Should everything on the NHS be means tested? Quite possibly, would ease the pressure on the NHS for sure. Either that, or the government can start funding the NHS properly...which is not likely to happen

[Bluelight]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I get thats the point of the poll. Just felt I had to reply to that as its false that its not a medical treatment. It clearly is a medical treatment. Jurys out on if it should be actually paid for on the NHS. I don't know how I feel about that myself and do think that this whole thing is going to get worse as the NHS becomes more and more skint.

I think my opinion on this is probably that the therapies and hormones and such should be provided on the NHS. But actual SRS should be means tested. If its deemed to be absolutely necessary and the person cannot afford it then yes, NHS. But if they can afford to pay then thats how it should be.

That opens the door though to many many issues and a whole other debate though. Should everything on the NHS be means tested? Quite possibly, would ease the pressure on the NHS for sure. Either that, or the government can start funding the NHS properly...which is not likely to happen

Good post - and very fair I think ❤️

[Bluelight]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

My point and the subject of this thread and poll is, people can have whatever op they want,as long as they pay for it

Including cancer and heart operations.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Bluelight

Including cancer and heart operations.

Don't be ridiculous .... have you voted in the poll which is about sex change ops, nothing else

[Bluelight]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Don't be ridiculous .... have you voted in the poll which is about sex change ops, nothing else

So you’re starting point is that dying from a heart condition is worse than dying from gender dysphoria? You are not treating it as the serious situation it is - but on a par with botox or a boob job. It’s not. As the NHS or any medical organisation will tell you.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Bluelight

So you’re starting point is that dying from a heart condition is worse than dying from gender dysphoria? You are not treating it as the serious situation it is - but on a par with botox or a boob job. It’s not. As the NHS or any medical organisation will tell you.

How bloody dramatic ?

[Bluelight]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Don't be ridiculous .... have you voted in the poll which is about sex change ops, nothing else

You love Ann. There is nothing more to say on this matter. And your ridiculous, offensively titled introduction to this thread. Gender Dysphoria IS just as “medical” as cancer or heart treatments, and is not a “fancy.” Don’t forget your copy of the Daily Mail.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Bluelight

You love Ann. There is nothing more to say on this matter. And your ridiculous, offensively titled introduction to this thread. Gender Dysphoria IS just as “medical” as cancer or heart treatments, and is not a “fancy.” Don’t forget your copy of the Daily Mail.

Oh dear

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Oh dear

Someone who doesn't like the truth