[Vicky.]

A slightly more depressing one, about the erosion of the very word woman...

Spoiler:

He Tells Her

He tells her he's a woman too

He has a lady brain

He tells her his identity

and hers, they are the same

He tells her not to talk about

her body, it's not fair

her body is her privilege

his own, a cross to bear

He tells her that she cannot talk

or otherwise allude

to what her female body does

its nasty to exclude

He says respect diversity

except he would prefer

that she would not point out the ways

that he's diverse from her

He tells her that biology

does not impact her life

she should still bear his children

but she should call him 'wife'

He says that words must all evolve

she must learn to make do

And now that woman is his word

he's taking female too

He tells her that a woman is whatever he decides

He will not put it into words

she must not ask, he chides

He tells her he is more oppressed

than she has ever been

He says she must agree with him

or else she's being mean

She searches for the words she needs

to talk about herself

The billions who exist like her

Their lives, their rights, their health

Whatever word she chooses now

He finds a way to spin it

The conversation carries on

But she's no longer in it

From here, not sure if that poster actually wrote it or not
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_...msgid=75363686

Sorry, I read it like an hour ago and your poem reminded me of it so I had to share

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

My addition to Vicky & Ammi's wonderful selection(s).

Youtube video

when a man can
take a stand
and wash his hands
of his scams
and watch his woman
stand unafraid
aid her in her fight
to get paid
help her get her
medicines made
let her step on out
of the shade

and i will call him
super solid
and i will call him
super solid

it takes a strongman
to stand by a strong woman
it takes a strongman
yes it does
it takes a strongman
to stand by a strong woman
it takes a strongman
yes it does

if love sex
is the soul vexed
is the earth next
we need respect

can we love outside
of the clan
where's the sister
in brotherman
back to back
divided we stand
can we put some love
in the land?
i will call him supersolid
i will call him supersolid

it takes a strongman
to stand by a strong woman
it takes a strong man
yes it does
it takes a strongman
to stand by a strong woman
it takes a strongman
yes it does

conquering, stealing
wheeling and dealing
tell me is this planet
healing?
conquering, stealing
wheeling and dealing
tell me is this planet
healing?
when a man knows
where he came from
he can't tell me
i am shameful
and i will call him
supersolid

i will call him
supersolid
it takes a strongman
to stand by a strong woman
it takes a strongman
to stand by a strong woman
it takes a strongman
it takes a strongman

he can stop trying
to get even
he will know he's
here for a reason
to stand beside
his woman in peace
she's got the way
to release him

[Ammi]

..that’s the thing though, Vicky...in thinking about and discussing feminism so much as many of us have in the last few days...my thoughts are of one poem and yours are of another...and they’re both so contrasting in ‘vibe’...one a celebration, and the other obviously much less celebrating...which brings me and my thoughts right back to what TS has been saying and how he feels...of who sets the agenda of feminism, then...because females as a collective and the thoughts and opinions of females etc, stray off in different directions of what they feel will progress to a common goal of equality...obviously because within being women, we’re all individuals as well...and if men have been discounted to more being a supporting role, then surely, that would discount and deprive of, any potential or possible ‘lead male character parts’, that may make a big and positive difference in the progress of......?...



...anyways, obviously I hate to be always saying...yeah, I agree with you TS..because obviously he’s a man and knows nothing..but yeah, I do find I lean his way so much with this and the best progression would feel that ‘regardless of gender’ and not to exclude...it’s more about individuals and including all in any capacity of their strengths, to hope for the progression we all hope for and are all in the same page with, as it were...

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..that’s the thing though, Vicky...in thinking about and discussing feminism so much as many of us have in the last few days...my thoughts are of one poem and yours are of another...and they’re both so contrasting in ‘vibe’...one a celebration, and the other obviously much less celebrating...which brings me and my thoughts right back to what TS has been saying and how he feels...of who sets the agenda of feminism, then...because females as a collective and the thoughts and opinions of females etc, stray off in different directions of what they feel will progress to a common goal of equality...obviously because within being women, we’re all individuals as well...and if men have been discounted to more being a supporting role, then surely, that would discount and deprive of, any potential or possible ‘lead male character parts’, that may make a big and positive difference in the progress of......?...



...anyways, obviously I hate to be always saying...yeah, I agree with you TS..because obviously he’s a man and knows nothing..but yeah, I do find I lean his way so much with this and the best progression would feel that ‘regardless of gender’ and not to exclude...it’s more about individuals and including all in any capacity of their strengths, to hope for the progression we all hope for and are all in the same page with, as it were...

This is a self-amusing aside, but I was actually going to post the Strongman video on TS' wall a week or so back. And then forgot. Starting to think my subconscious knows some things I don't when I choose songs for users on here. Though I think it might've had something to do with a superman avatar he had a few years back(?)... my creative brain tends to remember some things my logical brain sometimes forgets to recall

And no, he don't know squat, that's why for me he'll always be the Dale Gribble of TiBB I can just see him looking up everything we say and putting it all together... getting it all figured out...

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

A slightly more depressing one, about the erosion of the very word woman...

Spoiler:

From here, not sure if that poster actually wrote it or not
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_...msgid=75363686

Sorry, I read it like an hour ago and your poem reminded me of it so I had to share

It's really well written and the total opposite to Ammis