[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

And (sorry) that their brains tend to develop in a way more stereotypically opposite-sex-way because of their dysphoria, instead of them being born with just a brain that would have always developed that way?

So you agree that gender is a bunch of stereotypes now

But no I don't agree that their brain develops into a female brain or whatever, I feel that they're unhappy with themselves and want to change who they are

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So you agree that gender is a bunch of stereotypes now

But no I don't agree that their brain develops into a female brain or whatever, I feel that they're unhappy with themselves and want to change who they are

I always agreed with that, the brain differences between most males and most females has created stereotypes.

Do you remember when Courtney from Celeb Big Brother would identify his gender a '4' on a scale from 0 'entirely female' to 6 'entirely male'. Don't you think its that a transmale would probably identify their gender as a 0 or 1 which makes them unhappy and want to change?
Like I don't think any 6s who are unhappy with themselves would change their sex?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I always agreed with that, the brain differences between most males and most females has created stereotypes.

Do you remember when Courtney from Celeb Big Brother would identify his gender a '4' on a scale from 0 'entirely female' to 7 'entirely male'. Don't you think its that a transmale would probably identify their gender as a 0 or 1 which makes them unhappy and want to change?
Like I don't think any 7s who are unhappy with themselves would change their sex?

Withano we're just back to having the same argument again now though, I already told you that I don't agree with the whole "male" female" stereotype making you male or female so I can't really answer that question. I loved Courtney/Shane but I didn't agree with his opinions on everything

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Withano we're just back to having the same argument again now though, I already told you that I don't agree with the whole "male" female" stereotype making you male or female so I can't really answer that question. I loved Courtney/Shane but I didn't agree with his opinions on everything

I'm not talking about stereotypes, I'm suggesting that Courtneys brain is midway between the typical man and the typical womans brain - nothing to do with stereotypes. He is non-binary like the majority of people.
I'm asking if you think that if a male that had a brain more feminine than Courtneys would be unhappy with themselves and want to change their sex, whereas a male who had a brain more masculine than Courtneys would be unhappy with themselves but not consider a sex change.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I'm not talking about stereotypes, I'm suggesting that Courtneys brain is midway between the typical man and the typical womans brain - nothing to do with stereotypes.
I'm asking if you think that if a male that had a brain more feminine than Courtneys would be unhappy with themselves and want to change their sex, whereas a male who had a brain more masculine than Courtneys would be unhappy with themselves but not consider a sex change.

Well you are talking about stereotypes though, you're asking me if someone had a brain with more stereotypically male or female qualities.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well you are talking about stereotypes though, you're asking me if someone had a brain with more stereotypically male or female qualities.

What's that got to do with stereotypes?

I think a feminine brain goes far beyond thinking about shoes.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

What's that got to do with stereotypes?

I think a feminine brain goes far beyond thinking about shoes.

I don't think it's very helpful to the discussion to just come in and make a sarcastic remark tbf Marsh. I'm happy to discuss it with you but please don't do that by trying to mock my posts

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well you are talking about stereotypes though, you're asking me if someone had a brain with more stereotypically male or female qualities.

Right. I think you threw me off with not agreeing with the link you shared. The one which suggests that there are feminine features to a brain, and masculine features to a brain.

A penis-person with more feminine features to their brain, that is unhappy with themselves would consider a sex change
Whereas
A penis-person with more masculine features to their brain, that is unhappy with themselves would not consider a sex change

Ultimately thats the difference between a male and a transfemale, no?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Right. I think you threw me off with not agreeing with the link you shared. The one which suggests that there are feminine features to a brain, and masculine features to a brain.

A penis-person with more feminine features to their brain, that is unhappy with themselves would consider a sex change
Whereas
A penis-person with more masculine features to their brain, that is unhappy with themselves would not consider a sex change

Ultimately thats the difference between a male and a transfemale, no?

OMG so we're now back to you telling me I disagree with the article I posted. I thought we'd already covered that a couple of pages back. But to clarify I don't disagree with that article I've already explained why I don't so I'm not going to do it again.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

This is the question I tried to ask Niamh. Nothing to do with stereotypes, just more 'feminine features' or more 'masculine features' in the brain. I see that as the main difference between a male and a transfemale, Ive been wondering if you see that difference too. Nothing to do with stereotypes or gender norms, just the brain differences like the ones your article pointed out.

It might help if you identify what these gender specific 'features' are...