[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Withano we're just back to having the same argument again now though, I already told you that I don't agree with the whole "male" female" stereotype making you male or female so I can't really answer that question. I loved Courtney/Shane but I didn't agree with his opinions on everything

I'm not talking about stereotypes, I'm suggesting that Courtneys brain is midway between the typical man and the typical womans brain - nothing to do with stereotypes. He is non-binary like the majority of people.
I'm asking if you think that if a male that had a brain more feminine than Courtneys would be unhappy with themselves and want to change their sex, whereas a male who had a brain more masculine than Courtneys would be unhappy with themselves but not consider a sex change.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I'm not talking about stereotypes, I'm suggesting that Courtneys brain is midway between the typical man and the typical womans brain - nothing to do with stereotypes.
I'm asking if you think that if a male that had a brain more feminine than Courtneys would be unhappy with themselves and want to change their sex, whereas a male who had a brain more masculine than Courtneys would be unhappy with themselves but not consider a sex change.

Well you are talking about stereotypes though, you're asking me if someone had a brain with more stereotypically male or female qualities.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well you are talking about stereotypes though, you're asking me if someone had a brain with more stereotypically male or female qualities.

What's that got to do with stereotypes?

I think a feminine brain goes far beyond thinking about shoes.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

What's that got to do with stereotypes?

I think a feminine brain goes far beyond thinking about shoes.

I don't think it's very helpful to the discussion to just come in and make a sarcastic remark tbf Marsh. I'm happy to discuss it with you but please don't do that by trying to mock my posts

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think it's very helpful to the discussion to just come in and make a sarcastic remark tbf Marsh. I'm happy to discuss it with you but please don't do that by trying to mock my posts

It might be sarcastic but it's also relevant. You mentioned stereotypes as though they're the only possible feminine/masculine features a person or a brain can have.

So... a feminine brain going beyond laughably stereotypical female thinking/behaviour is an apt comment to make.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It might be sarcastic but it's also relevant. You mentioned stereotypes as though they're the only possible feminine/masculine features a person or a brain can have.

So... a feminine brain going beyond laughably stereotypical female thinking/behaviour is an apt comment to make.

You were the one who reduced it to "liking shoes" I actually didn't list any kind of stereotypes

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You were the one who reduced it to "liking shoes" I actually didn't list any kind of stereotypes

You don't need to list them. I used an example of a stereotype.

Shoes is a feminine stereotype, yes?

Therefore a perfectly valid example.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well you are talking about stereotypes though, you're asking me if someone had a brain with more stereotypically male or female qualities.

Right. I think you threw me off with not agreeing with the link you shared. The one which suggests that there are feminine features to a brain, and masculine features to a brain.

A penis-person with more feminine features to their brain, that is unhappy with themselves would consider a sex change
Whereas
A penis-person with more masculine features to their brain, that is unhappy with themselves would not consider a sex change

Ultimately thats the difference between a male and a transfemale, no?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Right. I think you threw me off with not agreeing with the link you shared. The one which suggests that there are feminine features to a brain, and masculine features to a brain.

A penis-person with more feminine features to their brain, that is unhappy with themselves would consider a sex change
Whereas
A penis-person with more masculine features to their brain, that is unhappy with themselves would not consider a sex change

Ultimately thats the difference between a male and a transfemale, no?

OMG so we're now back to you telling me I disagree with the article I posted. I thought we'd already covered that a couple of pages back. But to clarify I don't disagree with that article I've already explained why I don't so I'm not going to do it again.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

OMG so we're now back to you telling me I disagree with the article I posted. I thought we'd already covered that a couple of pages back. But to clarify I don't disagree with that article I've already explained why I don't so I'm not going to do it again.

Well then why did you bring up stereotypes again like as if I wasnt talking about the stereotypical brain differences! You went backwards in the discussion, not me.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well then why did you bring up stereotypes again like as if I wasnt talking about the stereotypical brain differences! You went backwards in the discussion, not me.

I don't think your brain makes you a man or a woman as in the sense you're talking about, I think your sex followed by how you're treated because of your sex and your life experiences because of your sex is what makes you a man or a woman. Does that answer your question? It's what I've been saying from the start though

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think your brain makes you a man or a woman as in the sense you're talking about, I think your sex followed by how you're treated because of your sex and your life experiences because of your sex is what makes you a man or a woman. Does that answer your question? It's what I've been saying from the start though

That does answer my question. That does contradict your article by quite a hefty margin though.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well then why did you bring up stereotypes again like as if I wasnt talking about the stereotypical brain differences! You went backwards in the discussion, not me.

Maybe Anne has a male brain?... She couldn't see the issues most women see in relation to career progression :/

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Maybe Anne has a male brain?... She couldn't see the issues most women see in relation to career progression :/

Perhaps. I'd argue your reasoning is irrelevant, but she may have a more male brain. I dont know much about her tbh.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

This is the question I tried to ask Niamh. Nothing to do with stereotypes, just more 'feminine features' or more 'masculine features' in the brain. I see that as the main difference between a male and a transfemale, Ive been wondering if you see that difference too. Nothing to do with stereotypes or gender norms, just the brain differences like the ones your article pointed out.

It might help if you identify what these gender specific 'features' are...