[Josy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

The assumption is they eat a balanced diet afaik. Fasting is not a licence to be a pig at other times obviously.
You have eg 5 days of your full calorific allowance, say 2000 kcal and 2 days on 500.
These may not be exact figures but you get the picture.

That's only on the 5/2

Which isnt really the one I was talking about

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Josy

No it isnt, it's true

Well you’re either missing the whole point completely or you’re simply being obtuse


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

It's just a different way of distributing calorie deficit.

The science backs it up so we have to agree to disagree

Correct .. I’m done with that guy tbh


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[Josy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Well you’re either missing the whole point completely or you’re simply being obtuse


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No its neither actually

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Josy

That's only on the 5/2

Which isnt really the one I was talking about

Oop, ok.

Did you mean a daily routine like 16/8?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Oop, ok.



Did you mean a daily routine like 16/8?

Yes

[Twosugars]

I'm not very familiar with that one so don't want to speculate how meals are distributed.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Josy

That depends what they choose to eat in the non fasting window they could binge depending on the person

But starving the body (because that's what it is) for so many hours out of each day does not bode well for having a healthy relationship with food in the future/long term IMO

Well you’ve clearly not read up on intermittent fasting or the science behind it and you’ve certainly never tried it so you are basically just pizzing into the wind with your assumptions..


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[Josy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Well you’ve clearly not read up on intermittent fasting or the science behind it and you’ve certainly never tried it so you are basically just pizzing into the wind with your assumptions..


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You're completely wrong on your first assumption.

I'm hypoglycemic and it wouldnt be a suitable healthy choice for me.

If it works for you thats great.

I'll stand my initial opinion of it.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Josy

You're completely wrong on your first assumption.

I'm hypoglycemic and it wouldnt be a suitable healthy choice for me.

If it works for you thats great.

I'll stand my initial opinion of it.

You didn’t say that it wouldn’t work for YOU and then explain why .

You said you disagreed with the concept.. full stop.

Two completely different stand points


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[Kizzy]

I /F is misunderstood as it does look a bit like a fad to us, but in other countries it has been used for centuries as a veidic medicinal tool to heal the body. When you relieve your system of the need to process food constantly it can perform other functions, like healing.

In our consumer culture it seems alien now to suggest anyone consume less, but there really is no downside to eating a few less calories a day a couple of days a week, as ( relatively) healthy westerners we won't die of starvation.

It will help the environment too, less processed food and packaging improves your footstep

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Correct .. I’m done with that guy tbh


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[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I /F is misunderstood as it does look a bit like a fad to us, but in other countries it has been used for centuries as a veidic medicinal tool to heal the body. When you relieve your system of the need to process food constantly it can perform other functions, like healing.

In our consumer culture it seems alien now to suggest anyone consume less, but there really is no downside to eating a few less calories a day a couple of days a week, as ( relatively) healthy westerners we won't die of starvation.

It will help the environment too, less processed food and packaging improves your footstep

Not really. The food you would have otherwise bought will either a) be purchased by someone else or b) get thrown out at the end of trading.

[Kizzy]

Who's to say that this 2000cal a day isn't as big a load of mumbo jumbo as we were fed (lol) in the 80s about fats being the enemy? When it's been found it's sugar and hidden sugar in foods that is the main contributory factor to obesity and chronic illness.

Calorie intake is not a one size fits all, you have to take into consideration your job, age, height, build and overall health.

Unlike some I don't agree with skipping meals, then you are at risk of feeling ill or making yourself crave instantly gratifying foods. I know that sounds odd being on a juice diet and saying that but these really are just a meal replacement, they have nutrients and fibre to be assimilated therefore the body is satiated.

During the war and post war food was rationed, people did not die.. they worked hard, danced and rebuilt the country, how could they do that if they were so deprived it impacted on them?.. it didn't because it doesn't.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who's to say that this 2000cal a day isn't as big a load of mumbo jumbo as we were fed (lol) in the 80s about fats being the enemy? When it's been found it's sugar and hidden sugar in foods that is the main contributory factor to obesity and chronic illness.

Calorie intake is not a one size fits all, you have to take into consideration your job, age, height, build and overall health.

Unlike some I don't agree with skipping meals, then you are at risk of feeling ill or making yourself crave instantly gratifying foods. I know that sounds odd being on a juice diet and saying that but these really are just a meal replacement, they have nutrients and fibre to be assimilated therefore the body is satiated.

During the war and post war food was rationed, people did not die.. they worked hard, danced and rebuilt the country, how could they do that if they were so deprived it impacted on them?.. it didn't because it doesn't.

You make some really , really good points ...

As regards the part where you touched on skipping meals and then eating junk .. I fast for 19 hours ( very occasionally even longer if something crops up ) but then my first meal is always a decent sized one and crammed with goodness ( no ‘junk’ or processed stuff) and it always tastes like the best meal ever.. oddly I don’t get hungry until the food is cooking when I KNOW I’ll be eating very soon . If we have an appointment or meeting or something after work I’ll just postpone the meal another couple of hours or so.. the delay makes no difference to my mindset or energy levels .. the bonus to this is that when the body has ‘used’ all the carbs ( after about 12 hours I think ) it starts burning the fat ....

The body only takes a few days to get used to missing breakfast .




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[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not really. The food you would have otherwise bought will either a) be purchased by someone else or b) get thrown out at the end of trading.

Ok raincloud if doom it will help your personal consumption only if it were taken up by more there would be a bigger impact granted.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

You make some really , really good points ...

As regards the part where you touched on skipping meals and then eating junk .. I fast for 19 hours ( very occasionally even longer if something crops up ) but then my first meal is always a decent sized one and crammed with goodness ( no ‘junk’ or processed stuff) and it always tastes like the best meal ever.. oddly I don’t get hungry until the food is cooking when I KNOW I’ll be eating very soon . If we have an appointment or meeting or something after work I’ll just postpone the meal another couple of hours or so.. the delay makes no difference to my mindset or energy levels .. the bonus to this is that when the body has ‘used’ all the carbs ( after about 12 hours I think ) it starts burning the fat ....

The body only takes a few days to get used to missing breakfast .




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I just can't see how you can do this, I drive for 50 mins to get to work, I couldn't function effectively at work having had nothing. At work there's no time or place to prepare and cook a meal so it would be microwaving something made at home, sandwiches or salad. Burning fat instead of glucose is ketosis, it can take up to 4 days to enter that state.

Going 19hrs and longer without any food is not healthy, your blood sugars will be spiking massively how can that be beneficial?

[caprimint]

Hope it goes well Kizzy

Can't say I have any experience with this, I'd rather do a water fast every now and again (if I remember correctly Vicky/Livia have done one before for like 2 weeks or something). IF doesn't work for me either, I prefer to eat smaller amounts of food throughout the day

[Kizzy]

Thank you I don't agree with those either, it's just as bad as not eating at all, you are giving your body nothing.
I F is smaller amounts of food throughout the day, if you ate say 2 300 Cal meals 2 days a week that is all it is.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I just can't see how you can do this, I drive for 50 mins to get to work, I couldn't function effectively at work having had nothing. At work there's no time or place to prepare and cook a meal so it would be microwaving something made at home, sandwiches or salad. Burning fat instead of glucose is ketosis, it can take up to 4 days to enter that state.



Going 19hrs and longer without any food is not healthy, your blood sugars will be spiking massively how can that be beneficial?

I always remember something from a survival program where they explained that if someone is dropped or lost in a desert - it helps to to know the ‘rule of three’ .

You can survive three hours in the blazing sun , three days without water and three WEEKS without food !!

Intermittent fasting simply works , wonderfully well as it happens ..I wake up with in good spirits with loads of energy and it stays like that ALL day , no dips in energy no ups or downs mood-wise .

Imagine not having to rush around in the morning , deciding what to have and making it , maybe washing up and tidying up afterwards .. I just have a couple of glasses of water and I’m good to go .

It’s all out there online if you’re interested ..

It took me 3 days maybe 4 to completely get used to no breakfast ..I’ll never , ever , go back to having it tbh

I know that some elite , Olympic level athletes are now using this method to get a ‘legal’ advantage over be others .


I recall reading a while back that breakfast wasn’t even a very common thing in Britain until the early 1900’s and it really kicked in properly in the 1950’s when Kellogg’s were struggling and got a top ad-man from the tobacco sector to give them a boost ...he apparently came up with the famous slogan ...

“ Breakfast, the main meal of the day” - the rest is history as they say .


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[Livia]

Fasting is good for you, although not if taken to extremes... but we know that.

What do people know about candida in their bodies? Anti candida diets are really good I find, at shifting weight quickly and making you feel better. Although you may feel groggy for a couple of days at the beginning. You're not allowed gluten, sugar (no fruit at the beginning), alcohol products or dairy. Instead you have lean proteins, healthy fats and non-starchy vegetables.

You can also take a supplement called citricidal, you take 12 or so drops in water in the morning - it tastes unbelievably foul - but helps kills of the candida in your digestive system. I started this a month after Asher was born, so start of November, and I was back to my pre-baby weight before Christmas. The best thing is that, after the first few days, I felt really well and full of energy.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

Fasting is good for you, although not if taken to extremes... but we know that.

What do people know about candida in their bodies? Anti candida diets are really good I find, at shifting weight quickly and making you feel better. Although you may feel groggy for a couple of days at the beginning. You're not allowed gluten, sugar (no fruit at the beginning), alcohol products or dairy. Instead you have lean proteins, healthy fats and non-starchy vegetables.

You can also take a supplement called citricidal, you take 12 or so drops in water in the morning - it tastes unbelievably foul - but helps kills of the candida in your digestive system. I started this a month after Asher was born, so start of November, and I was back to my pre-baby weight before Christmas. The best thing is that, after the first few days, I felt really well and full of energy.

Interesting and worth checking out

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ok raincloud if doom it will help your personal consumption only if it were taken up by more there would be a bigger impact granted.

Not really because the juice cleanse is only temporary.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I always remember something from a survival program where they explained that if someone is dropped or lost in a desert - it helps to to know the ‘rule of three’ .

You can survive three hours in the blazing sun , three days without water and three WEEKS without food !!

Intermittent fasting simply works , wonderfully well as it happens ..I wake up with in good spirits with loads of energy and it stays like that ALL day , no dips in energy no ups or downs mood-wise .

Imagine not having to rush around in the morning , deciding what to have and making it , maybe washing up and tidying up afterwards .. I just have a couple of glasses of water and I’m good to go .

It’s all out there online if you’re interested ..

It took me 3 days maybe 4 to completely get used to no breakfast ..I’ll never , ever , go back to having it tbh

I know that some elite , Olympic level athletes are now using this method to get a ‘legal’ advantage over be others .


I recall reading a while back that breakfast wasn’t even a very common thing in Britain until the early 1900’s and it really kicked in properly in the 1950’s when Kellogg’s were struggling and got a top ad-man from the tobacco sector to give them a boost ...he apparently came up with the famous slogan ...

“ Breakfast, the main meal of the day” - the rest is history as they say .


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What has survival got to do with anything?...
Going almost a day with no food is not I F, you do eat on that but minimal amounts regularly.

I'm aware how much misinformation there is on the internet, there is no way that going that long with nothing is healthy.
I find it hard to believe athletes would advocate this they are aware more than most that food is fuel.

Have you heard of a full English? People were tucking into those way before Mr Kellogg started pushing his nutritionally void corn based cereal.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not really because the juice cleanse is only temporary.

I said the juice was to rid myself of my carb and sugar cravings and move to a lifestyle less reliant on processed/ packaged food.