UK General election June 8 2017

[Nick.]

Majority of 2 votes in Fife North East :laugh:

[Scarlett.]

Since 2014 in Scotland. Another independence referendum should be off the table now. Should.

I think the SNP losses in Scotland hint at Scotland being against another referendum too.

[Scarlett.]

Majority of 2 votes in Fife North East :laugh:

Holy crap :shocked:

[reece(:]

Majority of 2 votes :o

[Cherie]

I think the SNP losses in Scotland hint at Scotland being against another referendum too.

Hint? It's resounding no

[Jack_]

'She'll be considered a laughing stock'

DRAG THE ****ING **** :cheer2: fhfysgg

[Scarlett.]

Hint? It's resounding no

Indeed :laugh:

[reece(:]

I love Barry Gardiner

[James]

It's not that good a result for Corbyn. He's getting credit because Labour were way behind in the polls a month ago. But he's quite a lot short of getting the most seats, about the same as Brown and Milliband. He won't be able to implement his manifesto.

[Greg!]

Since 2014 in Scotland. Another independence referendum should be off the table now. Should.

Yeah I think Nicky will kick it into the long grass. That's always been my opinion on it, I want independence eventually but I don't see the point in rushing into it

[reece(:]

Yeah I think Nicky will kick it into the long grass. That's always been my opinion on it, I want independence eventually but I don't see the point in rushing into it

She should've waited until after Brexit before going on and on about it

[reece(:]

Hard brexit cancelled!

[reece(:]

Emily and Vine staying <3

[reece(:]

Dimbleby is going? :(

[Scarlett.]

It's not that good a result for Corbyn. He's getting credit because Labour were way behind in the polls a month ago. But he's quite a lot short of getting the most seats, about the same as Brown and Milliband. He won't be able to implement his manifesto.

He has a net gain of 29 seats (so far), it's pretty damn impressive.

[Scarlett.]

Dimbleby is going? :(

He needs his sleep! :laugh:

[James]

He has a net gain of 29 seats (so far), it's pretty damn impressive.

Oh right, I read the wrong bit. It was Gordon Brown that won 258.

[Gusto Brunt]

Why are the so called 'experts' surprised Corbyn did well?? I predicted it. These experts should resign!

[reece(:]

Sarah Olney beaten by just a few votes :(

[Gusto Brunt]

Amber Rudd, lucky b******.

[Kazanne]

Been watching this most of the night,it was exciting to watch,poor TM,I do feel a bit sorry for her,I dont think the media gloating is very nice,but that's the media for you, I myself did not vote this time as I has issues with both parties,have to admit her manifesto was poor,almost like she wanted to pass it all on to someone else,her heart does not seem to be in being PM.Well done to Corbyn,although he didn't win he did well although his calls for TM to resign is ironic as he was also asked to resign for weeks and he wouldn't,lol. But interesting times ahead I think,well done to the young ones for getting out there and voting.

[hijaxers]

Amber Rudd, lucky b******.

Yeah i was hoping she'd get the boot - horrid woman

[Stu]

Well this has been a fun ME WAKING UP MORNING!

[Gusto Brunt]

Been watching this most of the night,it was exciting to watch,poor TM,I do feel a bit sorry for her,I dont think the media gloating is very nice,but that's the media for you, I myself did not vote this time as I has issues with both parties,have to admit her manifesto was poor,almost like she wanted to pass it all on to someone else,her heart does not seem to be in being PM.Well done to Corbyn,although he didn't win he did well although his calls for TM to resign is ironic as he was also asked to resign for weeks and he wouldn't,lol. But interesting times ahead I think,well done to the young ones for getting out there and voting.

Mrs May is not a leader. A leader has to instil confidence in the voters.

She didn't. She couldn't. She cannot interact with people. Basically she's odd. I think. She has to go.

Yeah i was hoping she'd get the boot - horrid woman

Horrible specs too.

[Cherie]

She should've waited until after Brexit before going on and on about it

Poor political mover on her part

[Cherie]

Why are the so called 'experts' surprised Corbyn did well?? I predicted it. These experts should resign!

Maybe we should offer ourselves up as political commentators :joker: When the election was called I thought the forgotten 48 per cent would have their say

[reece(:]

Screaming at Andrew Neil

[Jack_]

I'm so here for the Tories finally being dragged by the media

This revolting party and repulsive woman have been humiliated and it couldn't have happened to a nastier bunch of people

[reece(:]

Who is that delusional Tory backbencher thinking this has been a success?

[Jack_]

Also this is two general elections in a row that Scotland has ruined it all

The ironic thing is that last time it was in part an independence vote, now it's an anti-independence vote

[reece(:]

Theresa staying on according to Kuenssberg

[DemolitionRed]

Congratulations Labour. We did astoundingly well and we are now on our way to social justice.

Let the next election campaign begin!

[reece(:]

Lib dems robbed in another seat

[reece(:]

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[Cherie]

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I like the inverted commas, May will probably step down tomorrow

[reece(:]

"Mrs May called for a mandate to get her kind of breakfast..brexit"

[joeysteele]

I'm so here for the Tories finally being dragged by the media

This revolting party and repulsive woman have been humiliated and it couldn't have happened to a nastier bunch of people

Absolutely and if the sickening DUP help the Cons get more austerity through and more attacking of the sick and disabled,that will be outrageous.

She has been humiliated,you are right.

[reece(:]

d3PKE8uTSp8

[reece(:]

Here for the DUP not playing ball

[Denver]

Here for the DUP not playing ball

They were the ones who made the offer

[reece(:]

They were the ones who made the offer

Laura never lies!

[Denver]

Tey may request her to hand the seat to Boris that's all

[Scarlett.]

Tories have been a disaster these past 7 years, two hung parliaments in less than 10 years, they're coming across as a bit of a disaster zone.

[reece(:]

Boris and Davis up to no good behind closed doors?

[joeysteele]

The result of this election is exactly the opposite of what Mrs May held the election for.
It has removed the overall independent status of her govt and therefore has created a much weakened govt.in fact.

It also has created a greatly strengthened opposition which means the main opposition leader must capitalise on that result and do all he can to make that an advantage now.

This opposition leader also has likely the majority of voters for the future behind him and his party,
Any further election should now be greatly worried about by the Cons I'd say.

[joeysteele]

Here for the DUP not playing ball

A lot was made of Labour being propped up by Scots Nats.

Quite frankly the extreme DUP propping up this govt as to what it may want to do across the UK,is to me equally offensive.

The DUP will help the Cons though,although demanding likely great concessions for their odd views as to the needs of Northern Ireland.
It could turn out to be a very dangerous move for the Cons doing major deals with the DUP.

[user104658]

A lot was made of Labour being propped up by Scots Nats.

Quite frankly the extreme DUP propping up this govt as to what it may want to do across the UK,is to me equally offensive.

The DUP will help the Cons though,although demanding likely great concessions for their odd views as to the needs of Northern Ireland.
It could turn out to be a very dangerous move for the Cons doing major deals with the DUP.

They will do it, but the damage to the party will last decades, is my feeling on it.

[James]

The John Major government did a deal with the Ulster Unionist Party back in the 90s, when the government had a small majority. So it has happened before.

[joeysteele]

The John Major government did a deal with the Ulster Unionist Party back in the 90s, when the government had a small majority. So it has happened before.

The Cons used to have close connections to the the then Ulster unionists.

This DUP was a breakaway set up from those quitting the UUP.
It was also way before the peace process and power sharing was set up too.
For any UK govt now seen to be giving into any demands for sectarian parties in Northern Ireland.
Could lead to creating not only problems for that power sharing in Northern Ireland but cause outrage across the rest of the UK.

[Daniel-X]

LIVID @ Scotland ruining another GE.

[Kizzy]

I went to bed at about 4am it was 224 each at this point... What happened?

[Kizzy]

To be fair the Scots don't have the pressures we have they have better funded services and no uni fees, that said I don't believe Scottish Labour translated Corbyns message effectively.

[Kizzy]

'#Breaking Theresa May to visit Buckingham Palace at 12.30pm to seek permission from Queen to form government, Downing Street spokesman says'


**** :/

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/jun/08/general-election-results-2017-uk-live-labour-tories-corbyn-may-election-results-live-news-line

[Kizzy]

Theresa May has struck a deal with the Democratic Unionists that will allow her to form a government, sources have confirmed.

The prime minister is expected to see the Queen at around 12.30pm to confirm that a deal is in place.

It follows extensive talks with the DUP late in to the night. Party figures say they have been driven on this morning by their dismay at the possibility of Jeremy Corbyn becoming prime minister.

DUP figures insist that their relationship with May’s team has been close since she became prime minister 11 months ago.

A DUP source said: “We want there to be a government. We have worked well with May. The alternative is intolerable.”

“For as long as Corbyn leads Labour, we will ensure there’s a Tory PM.”

The DUP’s ‘price’ for propping up a new Conservative government will include a promise that there would be no post-Brexit special status for Northern Ireland, the party’s leader in Westminster has confirmed.

Nigel Dodds, re-elected as North Belfast MP, said that among their preconditions would be an insistence that there was no separate deal that would effectively keep the region with one foot still inside the EU.

The DUP fears that special status after Brexit – a key demand of Sinn Féin – would de-couple Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK.

The party will return to the House of Commons with 10 seats and in all likelihood will only support a Tory administration, Dodds said.

With one eye on the Brexit negotiations that begin within the next 10 to 11 days, Dodds said: “There are special circumstances in Northern Ireland and we will try to make sure these are recognised. As regards demands for special status within the European Union, no. Because that would create tariffs and barriers between Northern Ireland and our single biggest market, which is the rest of the United Kingdom.'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/09/theresa-may-reaches-deal-with-dup-to-form-government-after-shock-election-result-northern-ireland

[Gusto Brunt]

So, arrogant lame duck May is staying is she.

Gonna borrow a few Irish MPs to prop up her government...

She should go! :mad:

[Northern Monkey]

Wonder if May will even last through the Brexit talks.I'm thinking maybe not.

[Northern Monkey]

Wtf?Gina Miller on the BBC now?

She's been channel hopping all night.I think she's a vampire.Bitch don't sleep

[joeysteele]

Now the UK gets only one side of politics from Northern Ireland dictating to it.
I see major issues arising.

[Brother Leon]

Very proud to have believed in Corbyn from the start. Despite the efforts of the Blairites and Media he's made the party stronger and made the opposition look like a joke. Fantastic leader. Their coalition of chaos won't last long..

[Alf]

Election over, back to reality (TV)

[Kizzy]

Very proud to have believed in Corbyn from the start. Despite the efforts of the Blairites and Media he's made the party stronger and made the opposition look like a joke. Fantastic leader. Their coalition of chaos won't last long..

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

[Northern Monkey]

Election over, back to reality (TV)

Eviction numero uno tonight :dance:

[Jack_]

Labour are 800,000 behind on the popular vote, what an absolutely miraculous result

A smack in the face for all the people who mocked and berated Corbyn and his supporters

[Tarryn]

Labour are 800,000 behind on the popular vote, what an absolutely miraculous result

A smack in the face for all the people who mocked and berated Corbyn and his supporters

Some of the Sky News presenters look like they want to cry. They did everything to bury Corbyn.

[Brother Leon]

FYI, DUP have links to Terrorist Group Ulster Resistance. You couldn't make it up after all the mud slinging at Corbyn from their supporters;)

[Tarryn]

FYI, DUP have links to Terrorist Group Ulster Resistance. You couldn't make it up after all the mud slinging at Corbyn from their supporters;)

Nobody in the mainstream media talks about this as they are Pro-Tory. I find it totally disgusting that the DUP could have power here.
It's a mad world & Mrs May cannot get to Buckingham
Palace quick enough. Like a rat up a drain pipe.

[Vicky.]

Labour are 800,000 behind on the popular vote, what an absolutely miraculous result

A smack in the face for all the people who mocked and berated Corbyn and his supporters

Yes, Labour have done amazingly well. Vaguely caught something earlier on saying Corbyn has increased Labour vote more than any leader since 1940s.

May will still be in charge...but I do love how she has lost her own majority simply through her arrogance. This was the best realistic result for today really. Calling an election as you thought you would walk it..then losing seats. Just amazing.

[Headie]

Farron just said if Theresa asks for a deal with the Lib Dems, "No deal is better than a bad deal" :joker:

[smudgie]

Looking more and more likely that we are in for another election this year.
I wonder if there will be a leadership change for the Tories beforehand.

[Niamh.]

FYI, DUP have links to Terrorist Group Ulster Resistance. You couldn't make it up after all the mud slinging at Corbyn from their supporters;)

They were the British terrorists though so they're probably fine :idc:

[Niamh.]

Yes, Labour have done amazingly well. Vaguely caught something earlier on saying Corbyn has increased Labour vote more than any leader since 1940s.

May will still be in charge...but I do love how she has lost her own majority simply through her arrogance. This was the best realistic result for today really. Calling an election as you thought you would walk it..then losing seats. Just amazing.

I think he should be really proud of inspiring the younger voters to make the effort to get out and vote too

[Vicky.]

Looking more and more likely that we are in for another election this year.
I wonder if there will be a leadership change for the Tories beforehand.

There has to be surely. This was theirs to lose, and May made damn sure they lost it.

[Vicky.]

I know nothing about the DUP...a few Irish friends seem to be voicing concerns about them now though :/


I think he should be really proud of inspiring the younger voters to make the effort to get out and vote too

Definitely.

Some are saying he should resign as he has done 'so badly' :D

[smudgie]

I know nothing about the DUP...a few Irish friends seem to be voicing concerns about them now though :/




Definitely.

Some are saying he should resign as he has done 'so badly' :D

I am no Corbyn fan, but he has strengthened his leadership to amazing levels, if anything he may end up with a few Blairites coseying up to him now.

[Jack_]

Laura Kuenssberg shouting 'IS THIS STRONG AND STABLE PRIME MINISTER?'

:joker: :joker: :joker:

I am LIVING for the drags from Farron, Nicky and the media

[Niamh.]

I know nothing about the DUP...a few Irish friends seem to be voicing concerns about them now though :/




Definitely.

Some are saying he should resign as he has done 'so badly' :D

Whaaaaat??? I've never followed your politics as much as for this election and I love him, he seems like a really good guy

[Braden]

I'm deleting all of my Buckingham Palace photos of The Queen allows that a hoody government to come to fruition.

[Tom4784]

I'm deleting all of my Buckingham Palace photos of The Queen allows that a hoody government to come to fruition.

Liz is cancelled.

[Braden]

Liz is cancelled.

Over ha, if it happens :inamood:

[Tom4784]

Whaaaaat??? I've never followed your politics as much as for this election and I love him, he seems like a really good guy

But people are stupid, they believe tabloids to be gospel and think that he is a -ahem- 'traitor' while at the same time laping up the obvious lies and vague answers that allow May to wriggle out of promises that prove inconvenient for her down the line. There's just no hope for people like that.

Honestly, this country deserves the brutal throat****ing it's going to get at the Tories' hands. Stupidity has reigned supreme once again. It's a cesspool and, in the words of Peggy Mitchell 'let it burn.'

The NHS is done for, it's not going to survive with the Tories anywhere near power. It makes me so ****ing mad because cancer is common in my family and without the NHS we won't be able to afford the absurd costs of treatment to survive if any of us develop it. It's why I'm very intense when it comes to defending the NHS and not wanting the Tories in power.

I can't see a future for myself in this country with the Tories in power, the NHS is the only issue that I really care for and now it's at risk. There's no reason to stay if it goes under.

[Vicky.]

DUP are anti womens right and anti gay rights too it seems. Charming.

Should have some support on here...

[Niamh.]

But people are stupid, they believe tabloids to be gospel and think that he is a -ahem- 'traitor' while at the same time laping up the obvious lies and vague answers that allow May to wriggle out of promises that prove inconvenient for her down the line. There's just no hope for people like that.

Honestly, this country deserves the brutal throat****ing it's going to get at the Tories' hands. Stupidity has reigned supreme once again. It's a cesspool and, in the words of Peggy Mitchell 'let it burn.'

The NHS is done for, it's not going to survive with the Tories anywhere near power. It makes me so ****ing mad because cancer is common in my family and without the NHS we won't be able to afford the absurd costs of treatment to survive if any of us develop it. It's why I'm very intense when it comes to defending the NHS and not wanting the Tories in power.

I can't see a future for myself in this country with the Tories in power, the NHS is the only issue that I really care for and now it's at risk. There's no reason to stay if it goes under.

people took their eye off the ball, that's exactly what you all should be protecting

[Brother Leon]

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My ****ing impact :clap1:

[Black Dagger]

Laura Kuenssberg shouting 'IS THIS STRONG AND STABLE PRIME MINISTER?'

:joker: :joker: :joker:

I am LIVING for the drags from Farron, Nicky and the media

Laura has been great the past few weeks. Cant usually stand her but she has made me scream.

[TomC]

a conservative/DUP coalition really is tragic

[Vicky.]

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[Tom4784]

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The only bright spot of the election results is the fact that the tories, their supporters and the media have been made to look like complete and utter hypocrites by this coalition.

[Stu]

Some choice quotes from DUP members in case you're wondering what kind of party May is getting in bed with:

"Jim Wells has resigned as the DUP's health minister after recently saying that "the gay lobby is insatiable, they don’t know when enough is enough", adding: "The facts show that you certainly don’t bring a child up in a homosexual relationship. That child is far more likely to be abused or neglected".

Iris Robinson, a former DUP MP and wife of the current party leader, Peter Robinson, described homosexuality as “disgusting, loathsome, nauseating, wicked and vile”, as well as an “abomination” that could be “cured”. "

"The DUP also oppose the right of women to an abortion, with Jim Wells saying it should be ruled out for rape victims. The party has also called for a parliamentary debate on reinstating the death penalty."

Sammy Wilson DUP MP East Antrim -

"I don't care if gays are ratepayers. As far as I am concerned they are perverts".



https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay/so-who-are-dup

[Braden]

I see Recount Rudd got her seat then.

[James]

Definitely.

Some are saying he should resign as he has done 'so badly' :D

Not a bad point actually. He didn't win, or get to a position of being able to form a government. He's benefiting from diminished expectations - the bar for success being set so low.

A different Labour leader probably would have won, in my opinion.

[Brother Leon]

Not a bad point actually. He didn't win, or get to a position of being able to form a government. He's benefiting from diminished expectations - the bar for success being set so low.

A different Labour leader probably would have won, in my opinion.

A different leader wouldn't have got close to the youth turnout. Corbyn has saved the Labour Party from complete instinction. They should all thank him.

[Brother Leon]

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Brexit in tatters :joker:

[bots]

Not a bad point actually. He didn't win, or get to a position of being able to form a government. He's benefiting from diminished expectations - the bar for success being set so low.

A different Labour leader probably would have won, in my opinion.

if this had been Miliband rather than Corbyn, labour would have been in with a huge majority i think.

[Braden]

God, this is crazy. Bournemouth East and West are usually strong holds for Conservatives, yet Labour have almost gained a 20% increase in both constituencies based on the result. I'm shocked ****less. Labour have done better than I ever thought they would.

[James]

A different leader wouldn't have got close to the youth turnout.

Hmm, maybe, but the youth turnout and vote could have been a backlash to the Brexit vote, and Corbyn was just the person in the right place at the right time to benefit.

[Niamh.]

Hmm, maybe, but the youth turnout and vote could have been a backlash to the Brexit vote, and Corbyn was just the person in the right place at the right time to benefit.

I don't think that's true. He seems to me, like a really good guy, full of empathy, basically he seems like the complete opposite of Theresa may and I reckon that's what got young people backing him and the Labour party. I'm no expert on your politics but that's the impression i got from reading things I've seen online anyhow

[lewis111]

Id honestly rather a conservative majority than a Con/DUP coalition
Didn't know much about them before today but after reading quite a bit they seem disgusting, Conservatitves should be embarrassed to be associated with them

[Wizard.]

Id honestly rather a conservative majority than a Con/DUP coalition
Didn't know much about them before today but after reading quite a bit they seem disgusting, Conservatitves should be embarrassed to be associated with them

People shouldn't have voted Labour then we wouldn't be in this mess

[lewis111]

People shouldn't have voted Labour then we wouldn't be in this mess

Or less should've voted for a party that would form a coalition with the DUP

[Niamh.]

Id honestly rather a conservative majority than a Con/DUP coalition
Didn't know much about them before today but after reading quite a bit they seem disgusting, Conservatitves should be embarrassed to be associated with them

Sinn Féin are the third biggest party in the Republic of Ireland but neither of the two main parties would ever consider going into coalition with them because of their past ties to the IRA so I am utterly shocked that the Conservative party would do that with the DUP and tbf Sinn Féin are actually a decent party now, the DUP aren't

[Stu]

Hmm, maybe, but the youth turnout and vote could have been a backlash to the Brexit vote, and Corbyn was just the person in the right place at the right time to benefit.
Could be that an entire generation felt enthused by his campaign.

Seemed more like one of them 'hope' things than guarded skepticism, to me.

[Vicky.]

FFS.

DUP manifesto is basically..the bible :S Dinosaurs.

[Alf]

Youngsters are easy to recruit, that's why the army targets them.

[Niamh.]

FFS.

DUP manifesto is basically..the bible :S Dinosaurs.

:laugh:

[Brother Leon]

Id honestly rather a conservative majority than a Con/DUP coalition
Didn't know much about them before today but after reading quite a bit they seem disgusting, Conservatitves should be embarrassed to be associated with them

I see your point, but a majority would have meant 5 more years of ****. This coalition won't last a year and May won't be leader by 2018 either. Corbyn v Boris early next year. Quote me.

[Tom4784]

Youngsters are easy to recruit, that's why the army targets them.

You could argue the same for the older generations that voted Tory since their whole campaign relied on Tabloid headlines and false propaganda :shrug:

[Niamh.]

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They'll never consider ye British. As far as they're concerned. You'll always be Bog Trotting Potato Eating Paddy Micks like the rest of us

[Cal.]

Ugh **** off. No interest in living in the Dark Ages.

[King Gizzard]

Eagerly anticipating the Mail going big on DUP's links to extremism

Oh wait

[Tom4784]

Eagerly anticipating the Mail going big on DUP's links to extremism

Oh wait

The DUP are white, white people can't be terrorists!

[Niamh.]

The DUP are white, white people can't be terrorists!

Actually Irish catholic white people can be but Protestant Irish white people can't be

[Braden]

I know there's probably a political/cultural explanation for this, but why do the DUP think that line-dancing is a sin?

[Brother Leon]

DUP believe that football shouldn't be played on Sunday.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/635869a3ee70ae84154e95fb71921dd4/tumblr_op5jc1M0MN1sikfv8o1_250.gif

[joeysteele]

FFS.

DUP manifesto is basically..the bible :S Dinosaurs.

I really detest the DUP.

Horrible party.

[Stu]

I know there's probably a political/cultural explanation for this, but why do the DUP think that line-dancing is a sin?
Probably worried just in case people would be out having a day's craic because they are jealous that they're at the local free Presbyterian having a hard time pretending they are enjoying themselves.

A government propped up by a bunch of little orange decorated people.

[DemolitionRed]

''Theresa May's new partners in government have strong historical links with Loyalist

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay/so-who-are-dup

paramilitary groups. Specifically, the terrorist group Ulster Resistance was founded by a collection of people who went on to be prominent DUP politicians. Peter Robinson, for example, who was DUP leader and Northern Ireland’s first minister until last year, was an active member of Ulster Resistance. The group’s activities included collaborating with other terrorist groups including the Ulster Volunteer Force, to smuggle arms into the UK, such as RPG rocket launchers.

For the Tories to end an election campaign which they spent attacking Corbyn for his alleged links to former Northern Irish terrorists by going into coalition with a party founded by former Northern Irish terrorists would be a deep irony.

The right wing media are going to have to shut the fcuk up.

[lime]

I know there's probably a political/cultural explanation for this, but why do the DUP think that line-dancing is a sin?

FFS just seen that....they also frown at dancing at a wedding reception

[Withano]

Tories' coalition with DUP is gonna hurt them so badly in the next election. Corbyn made it so the cons never wing ever again? :clap1:

[Niamh.]

I know there's probably a political/cultural explanation for this, but why do the DUP think that line-dancing is a sin?

Well as we all know the Irish love the craic so the DUP to prove their Britishness condemn doing lines of any sort

[Tom4784]

Actually Irish catholic white people can be but Protestant Irish white people can't be

But this is 2017! Everyone knows you need to have brown skin to be considered a terrorist these days!

[Samm]

Tories' coalition with DUP is gonna hurt them so badly in the next election. Corbyn made it so the cons never wing ever again? :clap1:

I can't that we have to wait till 2022 hope it falls apart sooner

[Niamh.]

But this is 2017! Everyone knows you need to have brown skin to be considered a terrorist these days!

Unless you are Jeremy Corbyn remember

[James]

Actually, should point out that there is not hard evidence of a high youth turnout.

Reality Check article: Has there been a surge in youth turnout? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40220032

[Tom4784]

Unless you are Jeremy Corbyn remember

He's an exception 'cus he's a traitor! The Sun said so! The Sun never lies!

[DemolitionRed]

Tories' coalition with DUP is gonna hurt them so badly in the next election. Corbyn made it so the cons never wing ever again? :clap1:

Yep, its going to hurt the Cons far more than its going to hurt the DUPs.

The thing is, the Tories are not going to be at all happy with the mess May's just got them in to. I can't stand Osborne but I agreed with him this morning when he said, "May is in office but no longer in power". The Tories are going to be ruthless with her and I expect a good percent will be refusing cabinet posts.

One thing this means is, another election is probably on the cards before the years out. Will the Tories allow her to run her fools errand on Brexit with no mandate? I somehow doubt it.

[Brother Leon]

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Love it. :laugh:

[King Gizzard]

Thought this was quite good, glad to see that station doesn't only employ fascist idiots

https://www.facebook.com/LBC/videos/10155117011401558/

[Vicky.]

Yep, its going to hurt the Cons far more than its going to hurt the DUPs.

The thing is, the Tories are not going to be at all happy with the mess May's just got them in to. I can't stand Osborne but I agreed with him this morning when he said, "May is in office but no longer in power". The Tories are going to be ruthless with her and I expect a good percent will be refusing cabinet posts.

One thing this means is, another election is probably on the cards before the years out. Will the Tories allow her to run her fools errand on Brexit with no mandate? I somehow doubt it.

Who else will touch it though? Don't forget she was pretty much shoehorned into the position she is in...she wasn't ready for it but noone else even half credible wanted the position. And they still won't. At least if they leave May to do it, they can get rid and distance themselves from it all.

I did think May was purposely throwing this election at one stage as she didn't want to deal with Brexit (especially as someone who wanted to stay). She cannot genuinely be that crap surely...

[Cherie]

Sinn Féin are the third biggest party in the Republic of Ireland but neither of the two main parties would ever consider going into coalition with them because of their past ties to the IRA so I am utterly shocked that the Conservative party would do that with the DUP and tbf Sinn Féin are actually a decent party now, the DUP aren't

Sinn Fein don't recognise Westminster, they don't take their seats in Parliament

[Niamh.]

Sinn Fein don't recognise Westminster, they don't take their seats in Parliament

I'm talking about Sinn Féin in the republic of Ireland and that Fine Gael or Fianna Fail would never go into a coalition with them

[King Gizzard]

May already holds hands and refuses to condemn a climate denying, anti abortion dickhead over in the states so I doubt this bothers her too much. She's already called the DUP her 'friends'

[Vicky.]

Is it true that DUP and Sinn Fein are the only options in NI. And that if you want NI to be part of the UK then DUP is actually your only option?

[Cherie]

I'm talking about Sinn Féin in the republic of Ireland and that Fine Gael or Fianna Fail would never go into a coalition with them

Oh right I'm sped reading thread so picked it up wrong

[Niamh.]

Oh right I'm sped reading thread so picked it up wrong

was probably a bit confusing :laugh:

[Withano]

Imagine spending a good month warning people of a coalition of chaos, and then making one.

[Niamh.]

Imagine spending a good month warning people of a coalition of chaos, and then making one.

with the ****ing DUP of all the parties :laugh:

[Braden]

Theresa May, in the near future:

http://i46.tinypic.com/2di3pcm.jpg

[Cherie]

Imagine spending a good month warning people of a coalition of chaos, and then making one.

The woman has no shame, :laugh:

[joeysteele]

I'm talking about Sinn Féin in the republic of Ireland and that Fine Gael or Fianna Fail would never go into a coalition with them

The thing is Sinn Feint are vital in the peace process in Northern Ireland although they don't currently take seats at Westminster when elected in UK elections.

However this going in and relying on the dubious DUP by the Cons could be a really destabilising move as Sinn Feint rightly can take that as the UK govt taking the full Unionist side over the Nationalist side.
That could threaten the power sharing peace process in Northern Ireland
Sinn Feint are already it seems making noises as to the involvement of the Cons with the DUP.

I would dare bet many Con MPs here are very uncomfortable at her rather hurried attempt to do any deal with the DUP.
This could prove to be yet another terrible judgement made by Mrs May.

Playing any politics with the Unionist and Nationalist sides now in Northern Ireland could lead to great distrust and create big issues.

[Alf]

DUP want to abolish the TV licence and reform the BBC, so it's not all bad.

[Rob!]

So we're sending to Brussels the Conservative and Unionist Negotiations Team. Hope they can come up with a decent acronym. :fan:

[Cherie]

So we're sending to Brussels the Conservative and Unionist Negotiations Team. Hope they can come up with a decent acronym. :fan:

Ha brilliant

[reece(:]

What a catastrophe

[Vicky.]

So we're sending to Brussels the Conservative and Unionist Negotiations Team. Hope they can come up with a decent acronym. :fan:

:D

[Tarryn]

DUP want to abolish the TV licence and reform the BBC, so it's not all bad.

The DUP have some disgusting views on the LGBT community & women, but if we all get a free TV licence then that's okay :nono:

[reece(:]

The DUP need to go

[Northern Monkey]

The thing is Sinn Feint are vital in the peace process in Northern Ireland although they don't currently take seats at Westminster when elected in UK elections.

However this going in and relying on the dubious DUP by the Cons could be a really destabilising move as Sinn Feint rightly can take that as the UK govt taking the full Unionist side over the Nationalist side.
That could threaten the power sharing peace process in Northern Ireland
Sinn Feint are already it seems making noises as to the involvement of the Cons with the DUP.

I would dare bet many Con MPs here are very uncomfortable at her rather hurried attempt to do any deal with the DUP.
This could prove to be yet another terrible judgement made by Mrs May.

Playing any politics with the Unionist and Nationalist sides now in Northern Ireland could lead to great distrust and create big issues.That's a good point.I'd never thought about it like that.

[Northern Monkey]

So we're sending to Brussels the Conservative and Unionist Negotiations Team. Hope they can come up with a decent acronym. :fan:

:laugh:

[reece(:]

873102715517140995

[Alf]

The DUP have some disgusting views on the LGBT community & women, but if we all get a free TV licence then that's okay :nono:I know lots of people that have disgusting views on straight people and men, that's life.

Those views were not in their manifesto.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The conservatives ran the worst ever election campaign in living memory

with the most uncharasmatic, uncomfortable and frankly hopeless leader they could find

they even tried to bring back foxhunting FFS

and still labour lost

Now that is impressive

:joker:

[Alf]

The conservatives ran the worst ever election campaign in living memory

with the most uncharasmatic, uncomfortable and frankly hopeless leader they could find

they even tried to bring back foxhunting FFS

and still labour lost

Now that is impressive

:joker:Hey up LT, welcome back buddy.

[reece(:]

Labour's best seat increase in 20 years

wow Jez a figure.

[Northern Monkey]

The conservatives ran the worst ever election campaign in living memory

with the most uncharasmatic, uncomfortable and frankly hopeless leader they could find

they even tried to bring back foxhunting FFS

and still labour lost

Now that is impressive

:joker:
:dance:

[Tarryn]

873102715517140995

What are the odds of the Tory-loving Sun newspaper printing any of this ?.
None of the mainstream press are talking about the dark side of the DUP.

[Cherie]

The conservatives ran the worst ever election campaign in living memory

with the most uncharasmatic, uncomfortable and frankly hopeless leader they could find

they even tried to bring back foxhunting FFS

and still labour lost

Now that is impressive

:joker:

:amazed:

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496xn/p0250g1y.jpg

Time to unleash the DUP negotiating team

[Tarryn]

I know lots of people that have disgusting views on straight people and men, that's life.

Those views were not in their manifesto.

So this makes their vile views okay :shrug:

[reece(:]

What are the odds of the Tory-loving Sun newspaper printing any of this ?.
None of the mainstream press are talking about the dark side of the DUP.

They're strong and stable, remember!

[reece(:]

So we're sending to Brussels the Conservative and Unionist Negotiations Team. Hope they can come up with a decent acronym. :fan:

:joker::joker::joker:

[Cherie]

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496xn/p0250g1y.jpg

Time to unleash the DUP negotiating team

THe posters saying smash Sinn Fein D:

[user104658]

The conservatives ran the worst ever election campaign in living memory

with the most uncharasmatic, uncomfortable and frankly hopeless leader they could find

they even tried to bring back foxhunting FFS

and still labour lost

Now that is impressive

:joker:
And here was me thinking that no one could possibly spin this result as being positive for the Tories.

Little did I know that LT was still lurking in the shadows... Watching... Waiting... Touching himself...

[Braden]

LT always has a way.

[Niamh.]

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496xn/p0250g1y.jpg

Time to unleash the DUP negotiating team
He's dead

[Crimson Dynamo]

He's dead

no point making threats

:nono:

[Cherie]

He's dead

Plenty more like him unfortunately :idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I happen to know that many a good DUP member has been a guest of the directors at Ibrox over the years, fine upsdatnding men of good character and fettle. I am sure that TM will get on like a car on fire with them

[Scarlett.]

I doubt Theresa May will be around long enough to 'get on with them'

[arista]

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/496xn/p0250g1y.jpg

Time to unleash the DUP negotiating team


thank you for returning LT

[Crimson Dynamo]

thank you for returning LT

Thank the Good Rev Paisley :hee:

[user104658]

I happen to know that many a good DUP member has been a guest of the directors at Ibrox over the years, fine upsdatnding men of good character and fettle. I am sure that TM will get on like a car on fire with them

A ringing endorsement, definitely no issues with that or anything, I mean it's not like anything financially or morally dodgy has gone on at Ibrox over the last few decades. Heh.

(For those who don't follow Scottish football; half of the people LT is talking about should be in jail, and Rangers were booted from the Premier to the bottom of the lowest league for being dodgy as **** about 5 years ago).

[Kazanne]

The conservatives ran the worst ever election campaign in living memory

with the most uncharasmatic, uncomfortable and frankly hopeless leader they could find

they even tried to bring back foxhunting FFS

and still labour lost

Now that is impressive

:joker:

Well,yes,there is that :joker::joker:

[Braden]

Theme tune to this General Election:

XuZjwLOY_os

[Greg!]

Welp. Every 10 mins I'm learning something new about the absolutely batshįt DUP. Good luck miss may with your strong and stable government. X

[Kazanne]

So this makes their vile views okay :shrug:

Their views are theirs to have though,as long as they don't force their views on us we cant control what people think.Personally I would rather the Conservatives go it alone,but not sure they can.

[Stu]

Their views are theirs to have though,as long as they don't force their views on us we cant control what people think.Personally I would rather the Conservatives go it alone,but not sure they can.
Yeah it's not like politics has ever involved applying pressure wounds to society based on views or anything so happenstance.

[joeysteele]

Welp. Every 10 mins I'm learning something new about the absolutely batshįt DUP. Good luck miss may with your strong and stable government. X

I detest the DUP, the worst for sure of all the Northern Irish parties.

[Niamh.]

no point making threats

:nono:

:hee:

[Withano]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18922068_1668298876543732_469344079453147759_n.jpg ?oh=a7c72e104a311de5107a391634a15134&oe=59D71A32

[RichardG]

i just got back from work and am trying to catch up with everything

may said her coalition with the dup will provide stability during the brexit period

is she a ****ing moron

what a mess

[RichardG]

this is all a bit embarrassing really

[user104658]

this is all a bit embarrassing really
It's an absolute shambles. There's only so far they can spin this DUP thing... Anyone who knows anything about politics, if they're being honest, knows it's a mess.

[Tarryn]

Their views are theirs to have though,as long as they don't force their views on us we cant control what people think.Personally I would rather the Conservatives go it alone,but not sure they can.

I just think that some of their views are so nasty that May has shown that she is so desperate to cling on to her power is more important than anything.

[Scarlett.]

I honestly think any coalition with the DUP is a disastrous idea, not only are they incompatible with the Tories, or most UK parties, but it could also end up destablising peace in Ireland again. Just for the Tories short term gain, it would be absolute suicide for the Tories in the long term.

[bots]

It's an absolute shambles. There's only so far they can spin this DUP thing... Anyone who knows anything about politics, if they're being honest, knows it's a mess.

they are elected members of parliament that got there through a democratic process.

What is the party with the most seats supposed to do, just say **** it and go straight back to the country for another election? all the other parties have said they wont cooperate with the tories.

The DUP won't cooperate with labour, so labour cannot achieve a majority under any combination of cooperating parties.

So the options are to continue with a government, get the negotiations started with the EU with another election probably within the next 12 months, or go back to the country within the next 30 days with nothing resolved.

Before people criticise they should at least think about what they are criticising.

[user104658]

they are elected members of parliament that got there through a democratic process.

What is the party with the most seats supposed to do, just say **** it and go straight back to the country for another election? all the other parties have said they wont cooperate with the tories.

The DUP won't cooperate with labour, so labour cannot achieve a majority under any combination of cooperating parties.

So the options are to continue with a government, get the negotiations started with the EU with another election probably within the next 12 months, or go back to the country within the next 30 days with nothing resolved.

Before people criticise they should at least think about what they are criticising.
Just because there isn't a better solution doesn't mean that it's not a mess :joker:

[smudgie]

they are elected members of parliament that got there through a democratic process.

What is the party with the most seats supposed to do, just say **** it and go straight back to the country for another election? all the other parties have said they wont cooperate with the tories.

The DUP won't cooperate with labour, so labour cannot achieve a majority under any combination of cooperating parties.

So the options are to continue with a government, get the negotiations started with the EU with another election probably within the next 12 months, or go back to the country within the next 30 days with nothing resolved.

Before people criticise they should at least think about what they are criticising.

The DUP have been voting in parliament for years, often supporting the Tory party, see no difference now.:shrug:

[bots]

Just because there isn't a better solution doesn't mean that it's not a mess :joker:

its an almighty ****ing mess .... but I feel we should at least be sympathetic to the current realities.

An election in 6 months to a year is probably the best solution for everyone, and everyone can prepare with that in mind.

[Brother Leon]

20 votes in Kensington as Labour win it for the first time. And to think I got about 5 members of my Fiance's family to go and vote even if they deemed it a "lost cause".

[user104658]

its an almighty ****ing mess .... but I feel we should at least be sympathetic to the current realities.

An election in 6 months to a year is probably the best solution for everyone, and everyone can prepare with that in mind.
Maybe, but I feel like some serious apathy is going to kick in at some point. The number of major votes there will have been in the space of 3 or 4 years... Plus the Indyref up here. Turnouts will definitely start to drop.

[bots]

Maybe, but I feel like some serious apathy is going to kick in at some point. The number of major votes there will have been in the space of 3 or 4 years... Plus the Indyref up here. Turnouts will definitely start to drop.

thats why we need time, going back to the country in 30 days would cause a revolt. They need to let things settle for a bit. Its absolutely inevitable that the government will lose a vote in parliament sooner or later in the months that follow and at that point there will be another GE, Hopefully it gives everyone at least a little breathing space.

[reece(:]

Anna Soubry's impact on QT :clap1:

[joeysteele]

I just think that some of their views are so nasty that May has shown that she is so desperate to cling on to her power is more important than anything.

Actually she and the DUP are likely well suited,Mrs May has pretty horrible nasty thinking herself as well.

Just a massive pity either have anything to do with governing the UK.

[King Gizzard]

As I said, if she's pals with Donald Trump who stands for many of the bull**** things he DUP do, they'll get on fine

[Niamh.]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-12179367

[DemolitionRed]

I'm really pleased Labour picked up Kensington. London is rapidly becoming completely Labour.

[DemolitionRed]

The polling shows that of the swing voters, the Tories picked up working class leave voters, while Labour picked up remain voters with degrees. It's flips the traditional class voting pattern when appealing to the undecided as opposed to the party faithful.

[Denver]

The polling shows that of the swing voters, the Tories picked up working class leave voters, while Labour picked up remain voters with degrees. It's flips the traditional class voting pattern when appealing to the undecided as opposed to the party faithful.

They all flop to the labour leader who was pro brexit where is the intelligence?

[lime]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-12179367

:laugh:

[reece(:]

Ruth Davidson told BBC Scotland she has received an assurance from Theresa May on protecting lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, and/or intersex (LGBTI) rights in Northern Ireland.

I was fairly straightforward with her and I told her that there were a number of things that count to me more than party. One of them is country, one of the others is LGBTI rights.

She said she received, a “categoric assurance” from the prime minister that an arrangement between the Conservatives and the DUP would see “absolutely no rescission of LGBTI rights in the rest of the UK”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/jun/09/election-2017-theresa-may-speaks-outside-downing-street-after-shock-result-hunh-parliament-live

Reassuring at least.

[reece(:]

http://i.imgur.com/99xgmWs.gif

[Headie]

http://i.imgur.com/99xgmWs.gif

Queen of extending her majority by 11,000 :clap1:

[jet]

Is it true that DUP and Sinn Fein are the only options in NI. And that if you want NI to be part of the UK then DUP is actually your only option?

That's 100% correct.

[Rob!]

Ruth Davidson told BBC Scotland she has received an assurance from Theresa May on protecting lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, and/or intersex (LGBTI) rights in Northern Ireland.

I was fairly straightforward with her and I told her that there were a number of things that count to me more than party. One of them is country, one of the others is LGBTI rights.

She said she received, a “categoric assurance” from the prime minister that an arrangement between the Conservatives and the DUP would see “absolutely no rescission of LGBTI rights in the rest of the UK”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/jun/09/election-2017-theresa-may-speaks-outside-downing-street-after-shock-result-hunh-parliament-live

Reassuring at least.

Perched for a classic Therese U-turn

[Headie]

Labour snatching Kensington from the Tories by 20 votes was a fitting end to this election :clap1:

[Vicky.]

https://www.mumsnet.com/uploads/talk/201706/large-309869-img-6993.png :D

[arista]

https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/ORyRPJNeTsCf7OjRwFMS_Daily%20Mirror.jpg

[arista]

https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/o2cERsCiSY22xyThUIAm_i%20%20front%20page%2010%20Ju ne.jpg

[reece(:]

Is it true that DUP and Sinn Fein are the only options in NI. And that if you want NI to be part of the UK then DUP is actually your only option?

what about the UUP and SDLP?

[Sticks]

Ruth Davidson told BBC Scotland she has received an assurance from Theresa May on protecting lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, and/or intersex (LGBTI) rights in Northern Ireland.

I was fairly straightforward with her and I told her that there were a number of things that count to me more than party. One of them is country, one of the others is LGBTI rights.

She said she received, a “categoric assurance” from the prime minister that an arrangement between the Conservatives and the DUP would see “absolutely no rescission of LGBTI rights in the rest of the UK”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/jun/09/election-2017-theresa-may-speaks-outside-downing-street-after-shock-result-hunh-parliament-live

Reassuring at least.

Has the PM cleared that "assurance" with her DUP puppet masters?

I expect Miss Davidson to be deselected on orders from Central Office, followed by repeal of the Same Sex marriage legislation and Civil Partnerships

To follow, the criminalisation of homosexuality including for the first time Lesbianism

Abortion will be restricted

Evolution will be banned from all UK classrooms to be replaced with Creationism as taught in the Bible. Which will be King James only with a ban on the import of all modern translations.

The internet will also be censored

A small price to pay for a period of stability and calm in important Hard Brexit negotiations

:shocked:

[Sticks]

what about the UUP and SDLP?

Did they not get wiped out by the DUP or Sien Fein?

[Jack_]

Jeremy Corbyn has caused a sensation – he would make a fine prime minister

This was not about Tory failure. If Labour had offered the same old stale, technocratic centrism it would have faced an absolute drubbing

This is one of the most sensational political upsets of our time. Theresa May – a wretched dishonest excuse of a politician, don’t pity her – launched a general election with the sole purpose of crushing opposition in Britain. It was brazen opportunism, a naked power grab: privately, I’m told, her team wanted the precious “bauble” of going down in history as the gravediggers of the British Labour party. Instead, she has destroyed herself. She is toast.

She has just usurped David Cameron as the “worst ever prime minister on their own terms” (before Cameron, it had been a title held by Lord North since the 18th century). Look at the political capital she had: the phenomenal polling lead, almost the entire support of the British press, the most effective electoral machine on Earth behind her. Her allies presented the Labour opposition as an amusing, eccentric joke that could be squashed like a fly that had already had its wings ripped off. They genuinely believed they could get a 180-seat majority. She will leave No 10 soon, disgraced, entering the history books filed under “hubris”.

But, before a false media narrative is set, let me put down a marker. Yes, the Tory campaign was a shambolic, insulting mess, notable only for its U-turns, a manifesto that swiftly disintegrated, robotically repeated mantras that achieved only ridicule. But don’t let media commentators – hostile to Labour’s vision – pretend that the May calamity is all down to self-inflicted Tory wounds.

This was the highest turnout since 1997, perhaps the biggest Labour percentage since the same year – far eclipsing Tony Blair’s total in 2005. Young and previous non-voters came out in astonishing numbers, and not because they thought, “Ooh, Theresa May doesn’t stick to her promises, does she?” Neither can we reduce this to a remainer revolt. The Lib Dems threw everything at the despondent remainer demographic, with paltry returns. Many Ukip voters flocked to the Labour party.

No: this was about millions inspired by a radical manifesto that promised to transform Britain, to attack injustices, and challenge the vested interests holding the country back. Don’t let them tell you otherwise. People believe the booming well-off should pay more, that we should invest that money in schools, hospitals, houses, police and public services, that all in work should have a genuine living wage, that young people should not be saddled with debt for aspiring to an education, that our utilities should be under the control of the people of this country. For years, many of us have argued that these policies – shunned, reviled even in the political and media elite – had the genuine support of millions. And today that argument was decisively vindicated and settled.

Don’t let them get away with the claim that, “Ah, this election just shows a better Labour leader could have won!” Risible rot. Do we really think that Corbyn’s previous challengers to the leadership – and this is nothing personal – would have inspired millions of otherwise politically disengaged and alienated people to come out and vote, and drive Labour to its highest percentage since the famous Blair landslide? If the same old stale, technocratic centrism had been offered, Labour would have faced an absolute drubbing, just like its European sister parties did.

Labour is now permanently transformed. Its policy programme is unchallengeable. It is now the party’s consensus. It cannot and will not be taken away. Those who claimed it could not win the support of millions were simply wrong. No, Labour didn’t win, but from where it started, that was never going to happen. That policy programme enabled the party to achieve one of the biggest shifts in support in British history – yes, eclipsing Tony Blair’s swing in 1997.

Social democracy is in crisis across the western world. British Labour is now one of the most successful centre-left parties, many of which have been reduced to pitiful rumps under rightwing leaderships. And indeed, other parties in Europe and the United States should learn lessons from this experience.

And what of our young? They have suffered disproportionately these past few years: student debt, a housing crisis, a lack of secure jobs, falling wages, cuts to social security – the list goes on. Young voters have been ignored, ridiculed, demonised even. They just don’t care about politics, it’s said, or they’re just too lazy. “Under-30s love Corbyn but they don’t care enough to get off their lazy arses to vote for him!” one unnamed Tory MP told the Huffington Post’s Owen Bennett. Those young voters did indeed get off their “lazy arses”, and they kicked several Tory MPs’ arses out of the House of Commons.

And then there’s the media onslaught. Even by the standards of our so-called free press – a stinking sewer at the best of times – its campaign against Corbyn and the Labour party was utterly nauseating. Smears of terrorism, extremism, you name it. They believed they could simply brainwash millions of Britons. But people in this country are cleverer than the press barons think, and millions rejected their bile.

But a note about Corbyn, and the leadership, too. I owe Corbyn, John McDonnell, Seumas Milne, his policy chief Andrew Fisher, and others, an unreserved, and heartfelt apology. I campaigned passionately for Corbyn the first time he stood, and I voted for him twice. A few weeks ago, a senior Labour MP denounced me as one of the chief gravediggers of the Labour party, and journalists have suggested I should be knighted by the Tory party for my efforts.

But I came to believe that, yes, indeed Labour was heading for a terrible defeat that would crush all the things I believed in. That’s what all the polling, byelections and the local elections seemed to say. I thought people had made their minds up about Corbyn, however unfairly, and their opinion just wouldn’t shift. I wasn’t a bit wrong, or slightly wrong, or mostly wrong, but totally wrong. Having one foot in the Labour movement and one in the mainstream media undoubtedly left me more susceptible to their groupthink. Never again. Corbyn stays and – if indeed the Tories are thrown into crisis as Brexit approaches – he has an undoubted chance of becoming prime minister, and a fine prime minister he would make too.

Now that I’ve said I’m wrong – perhaps one of the sweetest things I’ve had to write – so the rest of the mainstream commentariat, including in this newspaper, must confess they were wrong, too. They were wrong to vilify Corbyn supporters – from the day he stood – as delusional cultists. They were wrong to suggest Corbyn couldn’t mobilise young people and previous non-voters. They were wrong to suggest he couldn’t make inroads in Scotland. They were wrong to suggest a radical left programme was an automatic recipe for electoral catastrophe. No, Labour hasn’t formed a government. But it is far closer than it has been for a very long time. The prospect of a socialist government that can build an economy run in the interests of working people – not the cartel of vested interests who have plunged us into repeated crisis – well, that may have been a prospect many of us thought would never happen in our lifetime. It is now much closer than it has ever been. So yes – to quote a much-ridiculed Jeremy Corbyn tweet: the real fight starts now.

The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/09/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-labour)

I still can't get over this result. We lost, and yet I couldn't be happier and more optimistic about the future. To deny the Tories a majority in just seven weeks - let alone the landslide they were craving - is nothing short of miraculous. I have never been more proud to be a Labour member and to have supported this movement, or to see so many young and non-voters finally come out and exercise their democratic right, and in doing so ****ing humiliate The Nasty Party and the deplorable woman who leads them.

Labour now need to unite and form a broad coalition, the wishy washy nonsense of centrism has been thoroughly rejected and I couldn't be happier, but Corbyn now needs to invite some of the centrist figures into the fold. A shadow cabinet with Cooper, Umunna et al would be excellent, they need to look like a government in waiting. So too does Scottish Labour need a complete overhaul, be clearer on a rejection of IndyRef2, point out that their English counterparts are closer to government than they were two years ago - and we might stand a chance of taking crucial Scottish seats back. And in the meantime, the membership base needs to increase, and the activism shown in this campaign must continue.

There's talk of Labour putting together a Queen's Speech but as desperate as I am for them to ascend to government, I'm not sure this is the best idea. The arithmetic is unworkable and they risk handing the Tories attack lines on weakness and instability. They should let them hang themselves with this disgusting pact with the DUP, exposing them for the desperate, revolting party they actually are. Work on rebuilding Labour and leave them to it, so we're prepared for the next election.

Everyone knows by now that I had little hope for the near future, certainly not until a generational shift had happened in twenty or so years. And yet now I'm optimistic but apprehensive. Funny how things change.

[Cherie]

https://www.mumsnet.com/uploads/talk/201706/large-309869-img-6993.png :D

Ouch :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/09/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-labour)

I still can't get over this result. We lost, and yet I couldn't be happier and more optimistic about the future. To deny the Tories a majority in just seven weeks - let alone the landslide they were craving - is nothing short of miraculous. I have never been more proud to be a Labour member and to have supported this movement, or to see so many young and non-voters finally come out and exercise their democratic right, and in doing so ****ing humiliate The Nasty Party and the deplorable woman who leads them.

Labour now need to unite and form a broad coalition, the wishy washy nonsense of centrism has been thoroughly rejected and I couldn't be happier, but Corbyn now needs to invite some of the centrist figures into the fold. A shadow cabinet with Cooper, Umunna et al would be excellent, they need to look like a government in waiting. So too does Scottish Labour need a complete overhaul, be clearer on a rejection of IndyRef2, point out that their English counterparts are closer to government than they were two years ago - and we might stand a chance of taking crucial Scottish seats back. And in the meantime, the membership base needs to increase, and the activism shown in this campaign must continue.

There's talk of Labour putting together a Queen's Speech but as desperate as I am for them to ascend to government, I'm not sure this is the best idea. The arithmetic is unworkable and they risk handing the Tories attack lines on weakness and instability. They should let them hang themselves with this disgusting pact with the DUP, exposing them for the desperate, revolting party they actually are. Work on rebuilding Labour and leave them to it, so we're prepared for the next election.

Everyone knows by now that I had little hope for the near future, certainly not until a generational shift had happened in twenty or so years. And yet now I'm optimistic but apprehensive. Funny how things change.

I thought you had given up on this hopeless country and gone to live in Spain?

:think:

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[Pete.]

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[Jack_]

I thought you had given up on this hopeless country and gone to live in Spain?

:think:

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I still can't get over this result. We lost, and yet I couldn't be happier and more optimistic about the future.

Everyone knows by now that I had little hope for the near future, certainly not until a generational shift had happened in twenty or so years. And yet now I'm optimistic but apprehensive. Funny how things change.

Do you read posts before you respond to them, or?

I don't think a Labour majority in the near future is inevitable, there is still a mountain to climb, and there are still 13m people who support the deplorable Nasty Party, but I'm more optimistic than I was two days ago. And I'm more than happy to have been proven half-wrong.

Besides, as I keep pointing out, the Cuntservatives are going to make it more difficult for me to leave home, let alone abroad.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do you read posts before you respond to them, or?

I don't think a Labour majority in the near future is inevitable, there is still a mountain to climb, and there are still 13m people who support the deplorable Nasty Party, but I'm more optimistic than I was two days ago. And I'm more than happy to have been proven half-wrong.

Besides, as I keep pointing out, the Cuntservatives are going to make it more difficult for me to leave home, let alone abroad.

sigh

[Denver]

Labour only got votes because of the uni fees a promise would never have kept

[Crimson Dynamo]

Labour only got votes because of the uni fees a promise would never have kept

indeed witness canterbury


the "all inclusive socialist young" just thinking about themselves and money

who knew?

:joker:

[Scarlett.]

Yeah, just imagine that, people voting for the parties that represent what they believe in, absolute madness.

[Vicky.]

There's talk of Labour putting together a Queen's Speech but as desperate as I am for them to ascend to government, I'm not sure this is the best idea.

Nah they need to leave well alone IMO. Brexit is going to cost the country a ****load of money. Labour would just be blamed for overspending again if they were at the helm when it all hits. Like how they are blamed for the global banking crisis...such is their power! :laugh:

Labour are in a pretty decent position now I would say. Avoiding handling the poisoned chalice that is Brexit. And sitting back to watch May destroy the Conservative party. All whilst knowing their support isn't as pitiful as the Tories hoped it was.

[Vicky.]

what about the UUP and SDLP?

IDK? I know nothing about Irish politics, thats why I was asking :laugh:

[JeanP!]

Labour only got votes because of the uni fees a promise would never have kept

This

[jet]

IDK? I know nothing about Irish politics, thats why I was asking :laugh:

The DUP are a more extremest breakaway party from the Ulster Unionist party, Sinn Fein are more extremest than the SDLP (Social Democratic and Labour Party).
Both the UUP and SDLP are irrelevant now as they get few votes anymore.
As a rule, Catholics traditionally vote Sinn Fein or SDLP, Protestants vote DUP or UUP.
Many protestants vote for DUP to maintain their place in the UK (rather than some of their policies) which would be in peril if Sinn Fein became the largest party.
Many Catholics vote Sinn Fein because they want a United Ireland separate from the UK.
Of course, this is a basic overview, it is more complicated than that - everything political always is here in N. Ireland.

[Scarlett.]

The DUP are a more extremest breakaway party from the Ulster Unionist party, Sinn Fein are more extremest than the SDLP (Social Democratic and Labour Party).
Both the UUP and SDLP are irrelevant now as they get few votes anymore.
As a rule, Catholics traditionally vote Sinn Fein or SDLP, Protestants vote DUP or UUP.
Many protestants vote for DUP to maintain their place in the UK (rather than some of their policies) which would be in peril if Sinn Fein became the largest party.
Many Catholics vote Sinn Fein because they want a United Ireland separate from the UK.
Of course, this is a basic overview, it is more complicated than that - everything political always is here in N. Ireland.

How will the Tories favoring the DUP affect politics over there?

[Brother Leon]

Labour only got votes because of the uni fees a promise would never have kept

False statement. Students that can actually vote are already locked in on their ridiculous 9k a year fees. It was based on far more than that. Nice try though..

[user104658]

Nah they need to leave well alone IMO. Brexit is going to cost the country a ****load of money. Labour would just be blamed for overspending again if they were at the helm when it all hits. Like how they are blamed for the global banking crisis...such is their power! [emoji23]

Labour are in a pretty decent position now I would say. Avoiding handling the poisoned chalice that is Brexit. And sitting back to watch May destroy the Conservative party. All whilst knowing their support isn't as pitiful as the Tories hoped it was.
A lot of people are not going to want to admit that Labour are in the strongest position they've been in for a decade. They've increased in size to be a legitimately large opposition party, have dispelled the myth that they are on the way out. All while the Conservatives are in bed with the DUP, overseeing a very problematic Brexit, and from what I'm hearing today, now have internal issues too with Ruth Davidson and the Scottish Conservative MPs wanting to distance themselves from the DUP (although she denies any rumours of a formal breakaway).

It will take a miracle for the Tories not to be significantly weakened over the next few years.

[Stu]

Labour only got votes because of the uni fees a promise would never have kept
You're so, so crap at this.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You're so, so crap at this.

stick to the debate and not personal stuff

:nono:

[Vicky.]

Labour only got votes because of the uni fees a promise would never have kept

Every year people bitch that younger people don't vote. Then when they do, they bitch and make patronizing comments like this.

[Northern Monkey]

A lot of people are not going to want to admit that Labour are in the strongest position they've been in for a decade. They've increased in size to be a legitimately large opposition party, have dispelled the myth that they are on the way out. All while the Conservatives are in bed with the DUP, overseeing a very problematic Brexit, and from what I'm hearing today, now have internal issues too with Ruth Davidson and the Scottish Conservative MPs wanting to distance themselves from the DUP (although she denies any rumours of a formal breakaway).

It will take a miracle for the Tories not to be significantly weakened over the next few years.

It's unbelievable how things change so dramatically so quickly in politics.They do say a week in politics is a long time.
The Tories are on there arse now and Labour seem like they could be reuniting.

[DemolitionRed]

It's unbelievable how things change so dramatically so quickly in politics.They do say a week in politics is a long time.
The Tories are on there arse now and Labour seem like they could be reuniting.

They have to. The internal warring within the Labour party from Blairite opposition like Liam Byrne, Chuka Umunna, Leslie and Stephen Kinnock and Nick Cohen (who should piss off to the Tory party) will still go out of their way to cause damage to Corbyn. Its like 'whac-a-rat'; with these slippery creatures. They seem to believe that people want a 'Labour lite' party, even now when they should be kissing Corbyns feet. :shrug:

[bigbrother2k17]

lets just say the tories have made a massive mistake with the DUP "coalition." even Ruth Davidson Questioned it..

The DUP want to make it legal to discriminate against anyone from the LGBT community.
The DUP want no woman to have access to any type of abortion, and furthermore criminalise anyone offering or seeking that service.
The DUP want to bring back the death penalty. (I have a mixed reaction to the death penalty.)

[Kazanne]

lets just say the tories have made a massive mistake with the DUP "coalition." even Ruth Davidson Questioned it..

The DUP want to make it legal to discriminate against anyone from the LGBT community.
The DUP want no woman to have access to any type of abortion, and furthermore criminalise anyone offering or seeking that service.
The DUP want to bring back the death penalty. (I have a mixed reaction to the death penalty.)

None of this will be accepted in the UK,they know this

[bigbrother2k17]

None of this will be accepted in the UK,they know this

Yeah I know, no one in the UK would stand for their views however I believe it is going to be very controversial now people know who is doing the coalition as many people (pretty much all) people disagree with the party. I don't know how they got 10 seats tbh.

[user104658]

Yeah I know, no one in the UK would stand for their views however I believe it is going to be very controversial now people know who is doing the coalition as many people (pretty much all) people disagree with the party. I don't know how they got 10 seats tbh.
The answer to how they got 10 seats seems to simply be... Because there isn't a moderate alternative to vote for in N.i.

[bots]

Its not a coalition. There is nothing formal in the agreement at all.

Simply put, the DUP pretty much agree with the tories in most things that they propose so they will make themselves available to vote in their support. They have been doing the same for years, so its nothing new, even if people want to believe differently. Meaningful opposition will come from within the tory party itself, and I'm sure there will be plenty of it. Just ask John Major :laugh:

[bigbrother2k17]

Its not a coalition. There is nothing formal in the agreement at all.

Simply put, the DUP pretty much agree with the tories in most things that they propose so they will make themselves available to vote in their support. They have been doing the same for years, so its nothing new, even if people want to believe differently. Meaningful opposition will come from within the tory party itself, and I'm sure there will be plenty of it. Just ask John Major :laugh:

Oh Okay, thanks for the clarification, I thought it was a coalition.

[arista]

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[Scarlett.]

No one is supporting May anymore, not even the Tories themselves, I just hope Boris doesn't take her place, and we get a more sensible Tory.

[Scarlett.]

Honestly at this point, I feel we need to go back on Article 50, the country is in no state to start negotiations, and may not be for anything between half a year to a year, we simply do not have that time, no negotiations can take place at a time like this. I'm not saying we never do Brexit, but the country needs to have a clear leader, not a unsteady coalition.

[smudgie]

Honestly at this point, I feel we need to go back on Article 50, the country is in no state to start negotiations, and may not be for anything between half a year to a year, we simply do not have that time, no negotiations can take place at a time like this. I'm not saying we never do Brexit, but the country needs to have a clear leader, not a unsteady coalition.

We have to plod on, unfortunately even if we delay it, the finishing date won't change.

[Jack_]

I've been looking forward to the first post-election polls...

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Labour need to seize the initiative now. Let the Conservatives bury themselves with their dodgy dealings with the DUP (which is already being rejected by moderate Tories), whimper on for a couple of months, put together a professional shadow cabinet that encompasses a broad coalition from different factions of the party, and prepare for another election whenever that may be.

[Jack_]

also I'm ****ing screaming at this

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the shade of the question :love:

[Kizzy]

There is no way the UK will go for this regressive shiz, they are as good as gone!

[jet]

The answer to how they got 10 seats seems to simply be... Because there isn't a moderate alternative to vote for in N.i.

The UUP and the SDLP are moderate alternatives and have traditionally always been the largest parties up until a few years ago.
Now it's mainly become a two way battle between Sinn Fein and the DUP unfortunately.

[Brillopad]

The UUP and the SDLP are moderate alternatives and have traditionally always been the largest parties up until a few years ago.
Now it's mainly become a two way battle between Sinn Fein and the DUP unfortunately.

That makes sense, but what does that tell us about British politics today - has it become more 'extreme' with those that shout the loudest being heard the most. That would be quite worrying.

[Brillopad]

There is no way the UK will go for this regressive shiz, they are as good as gone!

You can kid yourself Kizzy. Having a terrorist sympathiser such as Corbyn as PM would most definitely be regressive and take our political system back to the dark ages.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

You can kid yourself Kizzy. Having a terrorist sympathiser as PM would most definitely be regressive and take our political system back to the dark ages.

Arlene Foster can't become PM :conf:

[Brother Leon]

also I'm ****ing screaming at this

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the shade of the question :love:

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They are ****ed regardless.