Sir Keir Starmer & his Labour Party

[arista]

Anyone know where this man went?

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Yes 2 years back


Not any good now


Corbyn
soon to be Exiled
at the next Election

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes 2 years back


Not any good now


Corbyn
soon to be Exiled
at the next Election

It's not about Corbyn, it's about Starmers vision - and the vision in that vid, is way, way different to the reality of the empty suit that now exists.

[arista]

It's not about Corbyn, it's about Starmers vision - and the vision in that vid, is way, way different to the reality of the empty suit that now exists.


From 2020


That useless for 2023


Talk Sense Slim.

[The Slim Reaper]

From 2020


That useless for 2023


Talk Sense Slim.

It's actually more and more relevant. if you think more austerity is the way to get through a CoL crisis on the back of 12 years of austerity, then you really are as stupid as the person you present.

Bold and brave is what's needed, not a meeker version of the tories.

[The Slim Reaper]

Infinity bore

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[The Slim Reaper]

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Yes you can. Keir. the tories stopped building houses years ago - invest in a massive house building programme to provide cheaper living and create good union jobs, to pay taxes back in, then build amenities around the new houses for the new buyers/renters to spend their money in, further boosting local and national economies.

If both parties are running on the same platform, then the governments of both parties are willing to sit back and allow people to die to protect corporate and donor interests.

Choice is an illusion in the UK.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[The Slim Reaper]

THis man knew and warned everybody. Fcuking shambles of a country

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[arista]

Yes Slim

But at the next Election
Corbyn will be gone from the Labour.



No good, keep going back in time

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes Slim

But at the next Election
Corbyn will be gone from the Labour.



No good, keep going back in time

If you can't keep going back in time, why do tories rely on the same policies they've since thatcher, despite the fact they have never proved successful or for the benefit of the country?


He'll retain his seat if he wants to.

Personally I hope he starts a party and takes enough of the left with him to leave right wing labour without any hope of gaining power without working with the left.

[The Slim Reaper]

Labour - the party of NHS privatisation

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If only it was possible to take that money and invest it directly in the NHS, without the need for companies who donate money to politicians, to take their cut, first.

[arista]

Yes Half in the NHS
Half private


So Starmer is modifying the Conservative way

[The Slim Reaper]

The conservative way

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[The Slim Reaper]

Keir has got it sussed, I take it all back.

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[bots]

so he is basically parroting tory policy

[arista]

so he is basically parroting tory policy


Yes, but in a caring way.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes but in a carrying way

We love a carrying way

[joeysteele]

There's parallels here with 1997.

I found Sunak's speech just useless from a Prime Minister.
Cutting the NHS waiting lists for example.
No target, no numbers even just to be hoped to be cut.

I guess if he cut them by 100 he could claim success then.

However am I impressed with Starmer's speech.
NO.
In fact it was on the surface of content more a non event than Sunak's .

I want this Con government out because of all the Parties in Westminster they are, by their hardline heartlessness the Party that only deserves to lose.

However, I recall reading that Blair in 1997 promised that if he won, he'd keep to the then Cons spending plans for the first part of his premiership.

I understand fully that if you CANNOT win an election then you don't have power so can do nothing.
How the Country is at present however and what the voters look like they'd support.
This IS likely the point where more radical policy making should be looked at and adopted.

Starmer left everything short of any detail.
That's in part understandable but he does need to spell out much more as to detail.

His green energy policy is spot on.
Meantime though, what about the energy crisis particularly as to the cost for people now.

Okay he says more will be revealed over the weeks to come.
Well that's fine however a lot needs spelling out.

I still say if he wants to really reform politics for good then go for PR as policy .
However for me he should look again and seriously look to energy being taken back into public ownership.

Overall today however Starmer has disappointed me and his reluctance to really forcefully stand up for the workers of the mail, railway and across the health sectors battling against this heartless hopeless government.
That is now really annoying me as to his reluctance to do that.

The performance he keeps giving however is just like Blair's up to 1997.
Looking back at the things Blair could and should have done after his wins.
However didn't do so.
Was for me, a squandering of the 2 biggest overall majorities since the war.
I hope history is not going to repeat itself.

Starmer has the opportunity to show a whole real good vision of change across the Country.
I hope fear of losing won't have him doing a Tony Blair.
Failing to offer and implement the policies needed and which it seems the voters WANT as well.

Not going weaker on policies to win, determined to go stronger should be his motto.

[The Slim Reaper]

There's parallels here with 1997.

I found Sunak's speech just useless from a Prime Minister.
Cutting the NHS waiting lists for example.
No target, no numbers even just to be hoped to be cut.

I guess if he cut them by 100 he could claim success then.

However am I impressed with Starmer's speech.
NO.
In fact it was on the surface of content more a non event than Sunak's .

I want this Con government out because of all the Parties in Westminster they are, by their hardline heartlessness the Party that only deserves to lose.

However, I recall reading that Blair in 1997 promised that if he won, he'd keep to the then Cons spending plans for the first part of his premiership.

I understand fully that if you CANNOT win an election then you don't have power so can do nothing.
How the Country is at present however and what the voters look like they'd support.
This IS likely the point where more radical policy making should be looked at and adopted.

Starmer left everything short of any detail.
That's in part understandable but he does need to spell out much more as to detail.

His green energy policy is spot on.
Meantime though, what about the energy crisis particularly as to the cost for people now.

Okay he says more will be revealed over the weeks to come.
Well that's fine however a lot needs spelling out.

I still say if he wants to really reform politics for good then go for PR as policy .
However for me he should look again and seriously look to energy being taken back into public ownership.

Overall today however Starmer has disappointed me and his reluctance to really forcefully stand up for the workers of the mail, railway and across the health sectors battling against this heartless hopeless government.
That is now really annoying me as to his reluctance to do that.

The performance he keeps giving however is just like Blair's up to 1997.
Looking back at the things Blair could and should have done after his wins.
However didn't do so.
Was for me, a squandering of the 2 biggest overall majorities since the war.
I hope history is not going to repeat itself.

Starmer has the opportunity to show a whole real good vision of change across the Country.
I hope fear of losing won't have him doing a Tony Blair.
Failing to offer and implement the policies needed and which it seems the voters WANT as well.

Not going weaker on policies to win, determined to go stronger should be his motto.

Hope you had a good Christmas and new year, joey.

Unfortunately, the financial situations of 97 and now are worlds apart. Blair could hop on the growth of a booming economy, pushed on by the incoming house bubble that was to explode a decade later.

Starmer doesn't have that guarantee, so it needs to be an ambitious platform based on the pledges he used to get elected, and the previous manifestos he stood with.

[arista]

"Unfortunately, the financial situations of 97 and now are worlds apart."


Bang On Right Slim.

[arista]

We love a carrying way


Yes, I edited it

Caring way.


I mean't to say

[joeysteele]

Hope you had a good Christmas and new year, joey.

Unfortunately, the financial situations of 97 and now are worlds apart. Blair could hop on the growth of a booming economy, pushed on by the incoming house bubble that was to explode a decade later.

Starmer doesn't have that guarantee, so it needs to be an ambitious platform based on the pledges he used to get elected, and the previous manifestos he stood with.

I did Slim.
Hope you did too.
Happy new year to you.

I agree, I wish he would stand on most of the pledges he made.
Starmer irritates me, always has.
However it may be he is going to be gifted, mainly by the Cons own hopeless performances, a unique chance to make strong and effective change.
Not.just for now but for well into the future too.

[arista]

Keir is using Brexit Slogans Now

"Take Back Control."


Good debate on LBC now

[The Slim Reaper]

Keir is using Brexit Slogans Now

"Take Back Control."


Don't vote for right wing parties, people.

:laugh2:

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

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[Alf]

Do people really still care what Labour think?

I've lived in a Labour run constituency all my life, and I've never cared what they think.

[arista]

Labour will not say what amount the Nurses should get as pay rise.


Meanwhile, a one-off payment
is another possible
solution.

[Oliver_W]

Labour will not say what amount the Nurses should get as pay rise.


Meanwhile, a one-off payment
is another possible
solution.

Why? It's not exactly an election pledge. Just say ... 20% or something. Not happening, but it shows support, and gives plenty of double-figured numbers for it to be negotiated down to.

[The Slim Reaper]

Why? It's not exactly an election pledge. Just say ... 20% or something. Not happening, but it shows support, and gives plenty of double-figured numbers for it to be negotiated down to.

Labour doesn't support workers or nurses anymore. They keep talking about recruiting more, without mentioning the fact that the same issues will still exist.

[arista]

Starmer is today Northern Ireland

Meeting all the leaders

So he is ready when he get into power

[arista]

Why? It's not exactly an election pledge. Just say ... 20% or something. Not happening, but it shows support, and gives plenty of double-figured numbers for it to be negotiated down to.


Starmer can not afford that much


Try 12%
then a deal, would happen

[arista]

Starmer is to give
a speech in Northern Ireland
this morning

[joeysteele]

Starmer can not afford that much


Try 12%
then a deal, would happen

I agree with something around that figure.
I feel less than 12% would be achievable too if a change of attitude from government was more forthcoming.

It is a problem for Labour.
However I think Wes Streeting's short term plan to bring down the waiting lists is a good one too.
It's worked before.
I'm a supporter of his thinking definitely.

I'd like him and Starmer to look at really radical moves to protect the NHS in future.

Myself, I'd clear out the trust management system.
With all the more like parasitic staff employed across the Trust's management organisation.
Who contribute NOTHING to real hands on care of patients.
Bring back the proper Matrons for me.

However too, Starmer does need to be more forceful as for the NHS and back the stressed out and demoralised staff forced to take action.

[arista]

SkyNews Text :
[The Labour party's comments about the NHS,
where it says the service is often run for
the benefit of its doctors, rather than its patients.]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Starmer on BBC1HD


Said he will not rejoin the EU

Laura kept pushing her angle

He wants to get Elected.


She also pushed him on Scotland
change of 16 year old for sex change,
Starmer is to wait to see what Sunak does?

[joeysteele]

Starmer on BBC1HD


Said he will not rejoin the EU

Laura kept pushing her angle

He wants to get Elected.


She also pushed him on Scotland
change of 16 year old for sex change,
Starmer is to wait to see what Sunak does?


She was pathetic on pressing on the EU.
No party could even consider going back in without a demand from the voters for it.
She was just trying to create confusion on that divisive issue.

Terrible interviewer and presenter.

[arista]

She was pathetic on pressing on the EU.
No party could even consider going back in without a demand from the voters for it.
She was just trying to create confusion on that divisive issue.

Terrible interviewer and presenter.


Yes Laura
is a nagger

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Party Political Broadcast

At Last No Backing Music

Just Starmer talking


On again at 6:54PM on BBC1

[joeysteele]

Party Political Broadcast

At Last No Backing Music

Just Starmer talking


On again at 6:54PM on BBC1

He must have read your post on his last broadcast arista.
Removing the music.:joker:

[arista]

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[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/C655/production/_128337705_starmer.jpg.webp


[Labour's leader, Sir Keir Starmer, will tell business
leaders in Davos that a Labour government would
do more to draw foreign investment into Britain,
especially in "green industries".

Sir Keir, attending the World Economic Forum meeting,
said Labour would push to "bring global investors back".]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64322805

[arista]

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[arista]

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Silly Clip


Although these 2 would be better
on a TV show.

No time for Global Player

[arista]

Rosie Duffield MP

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[arista]

Live on BBC1HD

Rachel Reeves uses a Trump Term

When Labour gets into power
they will "Drain the Swamp"


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A USA Cap
2016 Trump

[arista]

From
the Times Paper Alex Hickman talking about Brexit


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[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Levelling up was always a complete myth meant to trick people into thinking tories are helping them as they steal from them. Why is there a shadow secretary for mythology?

[arista]

Levelling up was always a complete myth meant to trick people into thinking tories are helping them as they steal from them. Why is there a shadow secretary for mythology?


To help Win
the General Election.

[Oliver_W]

Levelling up was always a complete myth meant to trick people into thinking tories are helping them as they steal from them. Why is there a shadow secretary for mythology?

I guess it helps to have someone whose specific purpose is to call out the failures in "Levelling Up" - even if it designed as a smokescreen, it gives a specific target toward which their lies can be called out.

[arista]

Starmer and Angela

are both Live on LBC


Double the number of medical students
by taking away non doms


He's Praising Rod Stewart

Keeps saying 13 years.

[arista]

The Left Winger
played a clip of the SNP to Starmer,
speaking to LBC last night


SNP Leader saying Starmer is the same Brexit.

[arista]

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[arista]

Starmer is Going Live Today


After 10AM

[arista]

He updated,
his seated fans
how he no longer attacks Jews
The days of Corbyn have gone


So lots of cheers and names.

I rewound my SkyNewsHD
by one hour
to watch him.



His Fully Costed
Chant.

Is a problem as on the Day of the Election
he would have to up date
all his pledges.



He is going to Broker a New pay deal for
every Care Worker - Joey is Starmer a Wizard?

[arista]

BBC Text :
[Daily Mirror reports an exclusive
interview with former Labour leader Neil Kinnock.
He "warned you about the
Tories 40 years ago - and now he's warning you again",
the paper says, referencing a speech
he delivered days before Margaret Thatcher won
the 1983 general election.
As the speech approaches its 40th anniversary,
Mr Kinnock tells the paper that the
words of warning he spoke at the time
are now "so close to reality".]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Sky News Text :
[Back me or leave party,
Starmer tells Labour's left,
that's the headline in The Times]

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[arista]

Starmer is going to give a Live
speech, early this morning.

Corbyn will not be in the next General Election
under Starmer's Labour.
He will have No Choice
but to stand as an Independent MP.

[arista]

Starmer
Now Live on SkyNewsHD

[arista]

Taking Press Questions

First BBC asks about Corbyn

Starmer Confirmed
he will not allow Corbyn as a
Labour MP

[joeysteele]

I never supported Corbyn as leader, I wanted Andy Burnham, still do actually as I'm no fan of Starmer.

However that Labour ever had a rising issue of antisemitism was of great sadness to me although I still don't think Corbyn is antisemitic.

Corbyn's policies however were and most are valid ones still, there is another but coming though.
All Corbyn had to do was accept in full the equalities commission investigation conclusions.
To apologise it seemed to rise during his leadership and show at least some regret for same.
He has not chosen to do so.

So sadly after all the decades of service he's given to his constituents it is right that he cannot stand as a Labour candidate while he refuses to accept in full the equalities commission ruling.

He'd very likely win if he stood as an Independent, I believe he could win.

Overall however, I have to agree with Starmer's position this morning.
I'm pleased the equalities commission has stated it's now satisfied with Starmer and Labours action now on antisemitism.
With more to do to ensure any even small pockets are wiped out and ensure its not an issue again for Labour.

I personally abhor antisemitism and always have, so today I applaud Starmer's stance.

[bots]

its a long time yet until the election, there could be a new leader by then

[joeysteele]

its a long time yet until the election, there could be a new leader by then

As a member of Labour , I can't see that now.
He has a firmer hold on things despite his poor delivery of issues.

He has a pretty good supportive team in the shadow cabinet behind him.
Something Corbyn didn't have.

It's too near an election now to change again plus Labour would rightly be seen as more hypocritical changing leader again.

IF he lost the next election however then out straight away he'd be I'd say for sure.
However if it continues to look like Labour will win in late 2024, or possibly earlier
He'll be safe in place as leader so Labour is now stuck with him.

It will take a now colossal turnaround for Labour NOT to win or certainly be by far the largest party after the next election.
Either way the main aim now is to see this shambolic government gone for the vast majority of those IN the Labour party.

If he does just that as even just the largest party, then like Cameron in the Cons from 2010, Starmer will much more than likely have his period of government.

I'll say again too though.
If he was to adopt the overwhelming conference vote for PR as policy, then I believe he'd really walk the next election.

[Liam-]

Sold what little was left of his soul, I’ve always voted for Labour, but I’m really going to struggle to put my support behind a man with no principles and no desire to stand by his promises, every day he’s selling the Labour Party out to appeal to the right wing of this country, you can no longer call yourself an opposition leader while turning the party you lead into a near replica of the party you ‘oppose’ he’s a shambolic leader, who ironically has kicked out endless Jewish people from the party for not agreeing with his current chosen stance on Corbyn, this is not the labour party hundreds of thousands and people flocked to because they saw a bright vision for the future, Keir Starmer is the epitome of the status quo, doing the same as what the current lot of criminals and con men are doing, just a little less bad

[arista]

Starmer now in Ukraine

He stated with a Election
next year

Labour will carry on Supporting Ukraine

Brief Clip just on Ch5HDnews

[arista]

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[bots]

if corbyn was still the leader, he wouldn't have been there

[Crimson Dynamo]

they need to get rid of Starmer

he is sh1te

[arista]

Good on
Rosie Duffield MP went Live on GBnewsHD

In the Westminster Studio


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/17/23/66685243-11646735-image-a-4_1673999513285.jpg
A few weeks back
her getting hissed at
by Other Labour MP's
Including Ben Bradshaw MP
and Pathetic Lloyd Russell-Moyle MP
who sat over on the other side,
waving her over

[Oliver_W]

Good on
Rosie Duffield MP went Live on GBnewsHD

In the Westminster Studio


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/17/23/66685243-11646735-image-a-4_1673999513285.jpg
A few weeks back
her getting hissed at
by Other Labour MP's
Including Ben Bradshaw MP
and Pathetic Lloyd Russell-Moyle MP
who sat over on the other side,
waving her over

Sad that being a feminist is still enough to cause controversy...

[arista]

Starmer now Live Edinburgh
In Scotland


SkyNewsHD

[arista]

Starmer going on Morning TV

GMBHD itv

Salford Live Link

Talking like he is PM?



5 Missions/Promises from Starmer

He went on BBC1AM
in their studio.



Starmer is doing is 5 points
Live in Manchester this morning

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Waffle more like.

Aims are fine but he needs to DETAIL more as to policies.

He'll need to have that done by at the very least after this year's conference.
Hopefully as to policies, he'll see the light and go for things that will really change things for the better.
Plus not get bogged down by numbers as to this or that.

Long term missions???
TALK clearly to the electorate for goodness sake.
Not waffle with possible dreams.

[arista]

Waffle more like.

Aims are fine but he needs to DETAIL more as to policies.

He'll need to have that done by at the very least after this year's conference.
Hopefully as to policies, he'll see the light and go for things that will really change things for the better.
Plus not get bogged down by numbers as to this or that.

Long term missions???
TALK clearly to the electorate for goodness sake.
Not waffle with possible dreams.


The Details are live this morning
in his Manchester Speech

Yes "missions" is he a Priest now?


[Keir Starmer is to launch his
five “national missions”
which will form the building blocks
of Labour’s next manifesto as the
party starts to set out how it would
transform the country if it wins the election.

In a major speech in Manchester
on Thursday, the Labour leader
is expected to say the country needs
a “serious plan” to provide more
stability after years of Tory government


“blowing with the wind” rather
than fixing deep-rooted problems.]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/23/five-national-missions-to-form-core-of-labour-manifesto-keir-starmer

[bots]

"he will make the UK the highest growth country in the G7"

It's just more absolute lies. No-one believes that for a moment and is singularly impossible without being part of the EU customs union in some form or another

[joeysteele]

"he will make the UK the highest growth country in the G7"

It's just more absolute lies. No-one believes that for a moment and is singularly impossible without being part of the EU customs union in some form or another

I agree, that is a foolish message.

It's also one every Party wouidbwantnto achieve anyhow too.

[arista]

Starmer

Live now in Manchester


SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD
GBnewsHD
Radio 5

[arista]

Why Not Britain


His new Catchphrase.

And

"Sustain"


And

"Sticking Plaster"

[joeysteele]

He has an incredibly boring delivery.
I know that's not fully his fault but he needs to develop more passion in his delivery.

[arista]

Now Taking Press Questions


SkyNews Beth
is first.

Starmer asked for 1 Question
she asked 2.

[bots]

he doesn't have any passion because he doesnt believe the stuff coming out of his own mouth :laugh:

[arista]

Now BBC asks


About his previous Pledges

[arista]

[Mission one – secure the highest sustained growth in the G7
with good jobs, productivity growth in every part
of the country, growth that makes everyone,
not just a few, better off.

'Mission two – build an NHS fit for the future
by reforming health and care services to
speed up treatment, harness life sciences and technology,
reduce preventable illnesses and
cut health inequalities.

'Mission three – make Britain's streets safe
by reforming the police and criminal justice system,
preventing crime early,
tackling violence against women and girls
and stopping criminals getting away
without punishment.


Fourth mission was to 'break down the barriers
to opportunity at every stage, for every child,
by reforming childcare, reforming education,
raising standards everywhere
and preparing young people for work
and life' and


the Fifth Mission was to make
Britain 'a clean energy superpower'.]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11784339/Mission-impossible-Keir-Starmer-unveils-five-missions-government-speech.html

[arista]

[STARMER:
A plan for the economy with an aim of securing
the highest sustained growth in the G7
group of developed nations.
Build an NHS fit for the future.
Make Britain's streets safe.
Break down the barriers to opportunity at every stage.
Make Britain a clean energy superpower.


Vs

SUNAK:
Halve inflation this year to ease the cost
of living and give people financial security.
Grow the economy, creating better-paid jobs
and opportunity across the country.
Making sure national debt is falling.
Get NHS waiting lists down and ensure
people get the care they need more quickly.
Stop the small boats crossing
the English Channel.]

[Zizu]

Just caught a sight of his big , pink , smug face on the telly spouting false promises like they ( all politicians ) do …

Yawn


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[arista]

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[bots]

the earliest labour could get in will be late 2024. So that means they have to achieve zero carbon emissions in 5 years, which is cloud cuckoo land

[arista]

[UK general elections - where all 650 MPs are elected
to the House of Commons - have to be held no more
than five years apart.

Unless an earlier one is called,
the next election isn't due until January 2025. ]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62064552

[Crimson Dynamo]

no mention of the migrants or his unions

:idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/02/23/14/68003167-11784339-image-a-17_1677163617408.jpg

birthday card pish

[hijaxers]

I had to fast forward after a couple of minutes soo boring and very unimpresssive , he sound like he needs a goood nose blow but i fear if he did he may lose half his brain . He said nothing to give anyone any confidence in him, he won't be getting my vote.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[GoldHeart]

Labour needs a new leader

[bots]

if Starmer continues like this he will talk himself out of government

[Zizu]

Labour needs a new leader


Or just a leader


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[arista]

From Today's
Observer

Lord Sainsbury
has returned to the Labour Party
with a £2 million gift.

He was last backing Labour in 2016.


Ref: SkyNewsHD short newspaper review

[joeysteele]

Also Luciana Berger I am really pleased to learn is rejoining the Labour Party.

She had an awful time up to the point she left.
As to her concerns too on antisemitism in areas and parts of the Party.

It's good to be seeing her returning to what she's always hoped and believed to be her political home.
Welcome back to Luciana from me.
Her return does only signal strong positives for the Party again.

[arista]

Also Luciana Berger I am really pleased to learn is rejoining the Labour Party.

She had an awful time up to the point she left.
As to her concerns too on antisemitism in areas and parts of the Party.

It's good to be seeing her returning to what she's always hoped and believed to be her political home.
Welcome back to Luciana from me.
Her return does only signal strong positives for the Party again.


Yes now Corbyn
is Banned to be re-elected under Labour

She has no worries.

[arista]

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[arista]

Starmer wants to appoint Sue Gray
as his chief of staff

https://news.sky.com/story/labours-sir-keir-starmer-considering-appointing-sue-gray-as-chief-of-staff-12823127

[The Partygate investigator Sue Gray is set
to be Keir Starmer’s chief of staff,
in a coup for the Labour leader
who has been looking to appoint
a veteran civil servant to prepare
the party for government.

Gray, who has led numerous investigations
into ministerial misconduct and served
for decades in Whitehall departments,
has resigned from her civil service role.

A No 10 spokesperson said: “I can confirm Sue Gray
has resigned from the post of
second permanent secretary in the
Department for Levelling Up, Housing
and Communities.]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/02/keir-starmer-considers-sue-gray-labour-chief-of-staff

[joeysteele]

This will likely cause a stir in the Con Party.

[bots]

This will likely cause a stir in the Con Party.

Former minister Jacob Rees-Mogg said Ms Gray's Partygate conclusions now looked "like a left-wing stitch up".

"So much for an impartial Civil Service, the Gray report now looks like a left-wing stitch up against a Tory prime minister," the former business secretary and Brexit opportunities minister tweeted.

:laugh:

[joeysteele]

Former minister Jacob Rees-Mogg said Ms Gray's Partygate conclusions now looked "like a left-wing stitch up".

"So much for an impartial Civil Service, the Gray report now looks like a left-wing stitch up against a Tory prime minister," the former business secretary and Brexit opportunities minister tweeted.

:laugh:

Good grief.

She's done that job.
She has the right to now go where she pleases.

Rees-Mogg has never been anywhere good at being rational.
His tweet doesn't surprise me at all.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-90f154e6-e7e5-4869-8568-317b59fa7946.png

[joeysteele]

From the same people who stated she was the best and most impartial person to lead that inquiry.

They sound like Corbyn not accepting the equalities commission conclusions.
Hypocrites.

There's definitely something very wrong with the thinking of Dorries.
She's like out of all reality.

[bots]

it's all part of the larger scheme to rehabilitate Boris so he can become leader again. The problem is, that the evidence against Boris doesn't go away, he still did what he did, he still lied to parliament and the people and that will never change

[arista]

Starmer Live in Northern Ireland
talking to teen school Children


BBCnewsHD
SkyNewsHD

[arista]

He is now taking 3 questions
from Students


He asked the student a question
but that student no longer had the Mic

[arista]

Blonde Abbey student
asked how can he restore faith
in Northern Ireland Politics?

Starmer
said he learns something every time
he goes to places

[arista]

The Live feed now ended

[Livia]

LOL... really, you couldn't make it up.

Actually, the whole staff set-up at the House of Commons needs looking at. A local MP of mine has promoted and promoted his secretary, she works at home and suits herself and another staff member who does go into the office every day does the donkey work. She has lately been promoted to Chief of Staff which carries a salary of around £50,000 taking all the benefits into account. So, the staff she is "chief" of numbers.... one. It also carries a HUGE pension. This is all paid from the public purse. The whole set-up needs a bit of scrutiny.

[Zizu]

Intriguing..

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[arista]

it's all part of the larger scheme to rehabilitate Boris so he can become leader again. The problem is, that the evidence against Boris doesn't go away, he still did what he did, he still lied to parliament and the people and that will never change


Yes
he is gone from power for good

[Zizu]

Yes
he is gone from power for good


That’s what they thought about Trump


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[arista]

That’s what they thought about Trump




So Far
Trump has only won
one election.



2024 Ron in Florida could take over
if Trump is out of his way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/ChrisMusson/status/1634141761856520192?s=20

[bots]

it's not a real breakfast without nitrous oxide

[arista]

Starmer Now Live
North Wales


SkyNewsHD




BBC news showing a Repeat Travel show

[arista]

Starmer to fix
the Broken Brexit Deal???

[Tom4784]

Starmer won't fix anything. He's worthless.

He's already gone back on election promises and we're nowhere near an election yet. If Labour has any hope of winning that election, Keir Starmer and his discriples need to step down. They've done too much damage to voter trust.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrItH6VWIAEZ2BB?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Labour Claims it will allow HS2 the Full route?


Ref: Politics Live BBC2HD
today.

[bots]

Labour Claims it will allow HS2 the Full route?


Ref: Politics Live BBC2HD
today.

when they win the election and there is a note left for them saying there is no money left, the HS2 will be scrapped

[arista]

when they win the election and there is a note left for them saying there is no money left, the HS2 will be scrapped


I doubt that.

[joeysteele]

Starmer has really annoyed me.

Mark Drakeford, the First Minister of Wales has called for Starmer to include PR as policy in the election.
He states, that's not what matters at this time.

He may not be saying that IF he lost the next election because without it as policy to be enacted, he could find he doesn't get anything like an overall majority in the next election.
With it as policy, he'd walk the next election.

How he dare ignore the massive overwhelming vote at conference for it last year is ridiculous.

If any Party really wants to change politics and make it better, then PR is part of the answer.
As ALL other Parties except the Cons, know it is and want it.

Someone closer to Starmer please shake him up and wake him up to PR.

[arista]

SkyNews Text:
[Telegraph reports, as Labour prepares for
a "tax raid on up to two million pension pots".]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-67411bcb-a5b7-4173-a205-db860d9d28b3.png

[arista]

Starmer Now Live


Going over his 5 points


Talking about his Policing Plan.

[joeysteele]

Starmer Now Live


Going over his 5 points


Talking about his Policing Plan.


Groan!!

Just in case there's anyone who hasn't heard numerous times that he was Director of Public Prosecutions.
He's just reminded us again.:joker:

Think I'll have a nap.

[arista]

SkyNews Text:
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer's pension from
his time as Director of Public Prosecutions is exempt
from tax rules he would apply to workers
who save more than £1m.

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-ca3124eb-ab9e-43f3-804a-abf23c5b4700.png

[arista]

Labour Leader Starmer
Saying over 10 Years he will improve Policing?

Now the Parliament Terms 5 Years
not 10.

It is Arrogant to think he can win
a Election in 5 years time,


This is what the Conservatives do
Joey

[joeysteele]

Labour Leader Starmer
Saying over 10 Years he will improve Policing?

Now the Parliament Terms 5 Years
not 10.

It is Arrogant to think he can win
a Election in 5 years time,


This is what the Conservatives do
Joey


I think if he wins the next election, he could win the one after especially if he included PR for the 3rd election after.
It can be done policies would take 10 years to fully be successful.
I don't mind that.

However he has to win the next one first.

As to his pension.
Labour has said they will deal with such pensions and he has said that will include his own.
That's fully acceptable..
His pension is part of the contract of anyone at the DPP.
He is right to put it in there with his policy of dealing with them if he wins.
That's fair

[arista]

He gave a interview with Ch4HDnews

He will change Pensions,
if he wins,

The Reporter asked why he is not so popular,
He said as time goes on,
he is getting good responses.

[GoldHeart]

Labour needs a new leader, but I guess that won't be happening .

[Tom4784]

Keir Starmer is an absolute desperate **** and he's going to fumble what should be an easy win for labour at the next election.

Just a hideous tory in disguise desperate to appeal to tory voters while alienating the actual demographics that would have voted for him. One of the most incompetent cretins I've seen in UK politics.

[joeysteele]

He gave a interview with Ch4HDnews

He will change Pensions,
if he wins,

The Reporter asked why he is not so popular,
He said as time goes on,
he is getting good responses.

At this time he's one of the weakest in presentation of a leader we could have in Labour at present.
However while he is getting a few more good responses, there is one stark fact for me.

People will vote Labour more in the next election, not however because of Starmer.
It will be a soft return and vote for Labour mainly because a good number of voters have lost any kind of respect for this Con government.

Which is why Starmer needs to spell out good and wanted policies.
Because if things fail or appear to be failing, it will be a one term government
Unless a bloodbath comes about in the Con Party after an election defeat.

We've absolutely terrible leaders of all 3 Parties.
Sunak has a record of deceit and failure from his Johnson days.
He's moved the polling a few percentage points but he needs to get at least 2/3% ahead of Labour to have any chance of even a single figure majority.

Starmer is terrible too.
He's not taking on board the policies which are longed for.
Plus he's annoying the whole Party by rejecting so far, PR for the next election.
I'm a Labour member and honestly I could drop off to sleep when he's explaining a policy or idea.
As bad as he is, he could however be in the right place at the right time, ONLY with the now intense dislike of the current set up in the Cons.

As for Davey in the Lib Dems, not as deluded as Jo Swinson, however he's still tarnished by his time in the coalition with the Cons right up to only so far 8 years ago still.
Plus it's like he's in hibernation most of the time.

There's not even a just fair leader in all 3 of our old main Parties.
That's a sad position for our political state at this crucial time.

The next election looks like it's now Labour's to lose.
However it will NOT be a vote FOR Labour but a test.
Plus more than likely now votes AGAINST these current Cons due to the deceit, the lies and near gross incompetence still rearing it's head.
By most of all the old faded and failed Cabinet ministers who have claimed to loyally support the policies of the last 4 Con PMs since 2019.
Now seen as only political backside crawlers.
NOT genuine individuals.

I despair often that we in Labour have Starmer as leader currently.
However do I want him in power rather than the Cons.
Absolutely I do.

HOWEVER.
I'd prefer it to be a hung parliament where he'd need another Party to support him as PM.
Plus a Party which will push for PR in all future elections.
I don't want a Blair type win.
I'm fed up of over 55% of voters voting against the party who ends up getting a big overall majority for anything from under 40% up to only 44% of the votes.

Thereby the minority ending up dictating to the majority of voters.
That's a very poor democracy in my view.

[Oliver_W]

the HS2 will be scrapped

Hope so.

Just not worth it.

https://stand4trees.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/HS2collection.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-fbf79bca-8e5a-4d65-b190-31823320b807.png

[Oliver_W]

For gods' sake, leave savings, investments and especially pensions alone!!

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr79MRmWAAchoTm?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

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[arista]

For Slim

1641374872176566272

[bots]

so how are the local councils then going to provide all the services that we need? Its the most stupid statement he has made this week

[Mystic Mock]

Starmer won't fix anything. He's worthless.

He's already gone back on election promises and we're nowhere near an election yet. If Labour has any hope of winning that election, Keir Starmer and his discriples need to step down. They've done too much damage to voter trust.

Tbh he is very lucky that people are fed up of the Tories.

[arista]

so how are the local councils then going to provide all the services that we need? Its the most stupid statement he has made this week

Yes, he (Starmer) must want them to close more Toilets
or local buses

[arista]

Another For Slim

1641513929498058778

[joeysteele]

Tbh he is very lucky that people are fed up of the Tories.

That will be in truth, as a Party member I cannot deny, the main reason Starmer becomes PM IF he wins the next election.
Certainly.

The Party itself overall still supports the aims of Corbyn policies however the reality again is in 2 elections they were liked but NOT voted for.

Overall I do believe there'll be more competence, compassion and fairer policies after a Labour victory.
However I admit totally there is NOT a great love for Starmer or even Labour still from the electorate.
It is the failure, incompetence, heartlessness and insulting arrogance of the current leader of, previous leaders of, and the musical chairing of useless Ministers of this Con Party, which has likely got voters now more determined to get them out and see what Labour may do.

These soundbites Starmer keeps putting out annoy me.
He made a good speech 2 years ago at conference where he stated rather than slogans he'd prefer policies or real action.
Now he's in the slogans trail moreso.

Starmer is very fortunate indeed to be leader at this time, where voters now feel let down badly and see nothing much from this shambolic waste of space Con government that warrants them doing anything else than kicking the vast majority of them out.

Therein lies a bigger problem and danger for Starmer and Labour because IF they become the government, then any even small failure or scandal will see the loss of a further opportunity for the foreseeable future probably.

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

1641530299925274637

If only kids today had youth clubs where they could hang about and play ping pong and pool and listen to The Shadows

then there would be not anti-social behavior


f me grandma you have only gone and solved it :joker:

[Zizu]

If only kids today had youth clubs where they could hang about and play ping pong and pool and listen to The Shadows

then there would be not anti-social behavior


f me grandma you have only gone and solved it :joker:


Well they at least there are thousands of all weather five a side football / basketball courts all over the UK ..

We had pitches or bits of waste land to play football and even then that was only really during or after good weather


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Well they at least there are thousands of all weather five a side football / basketball courts all over the UK ..

We had pitches or bits of waste land to play football and even then that was only really during or after good weather


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The total myth that kids nowadays have nothing to do :laugh:

when i was a kid there were 3 channels on the tv, no internet, no video games save pong, no mobile phones

and no one wanted to use the house phone to call pals as you did not want a 5 minute call with their mum first :joker:

[bots]

i think kerplunk is still available, so todays yuf have no excuses

[arista]

A 3rd clip for Slim.

1642150138100449280

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1642240665030643712/gZ6TSgsg?format=jpg&name=900x900

Starmer talking to the Sunday Mirror

[Families, students, business, all bursting
with ideas and motivation,
for themselves and their communities.
But they're being held back by
a Conservative government that fails
to match their ambition.
They're frustrated.
I'm frustrated for them.
After 13 years under the Tories,
people are rightly asking themselves
if they're any better off.
Food bills rising. Energy costs soaring.
Mortgages eye-wateringly expensive.
But wages stagnated.
The Tories crashed the economy and
working people are picking up the bill.

The choices this government keep
making are holding back
Britain's aspiration, and choking
off our opportunities.]



https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-vows-relieve-brits-29606915


No need to feel,
frustrated for them
Tubby Starmer.

[arista]

SkyNews Text
[Sir Keir Starmer who has vowed to
be "completely ruthless" in his pursuit of power
as a poll to mark his third anniversary as
Labour leader found that almost half
of voters believe he has not set out
a clear vision. ]


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-f57ecbdd-8f39-418b-9e17-f58a7b5614f6.png

[arista]

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[arista]

Sky News Text:
[Labour will launch more adverts attacking Rishi Sunak for
crashing the economy as well as for soaring mortgage
and council tax rates,
The Times reports.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-8b01eac6-c467-4cfd-b892-f5cd9a50b597.png

[arista]

1645689304906178560

[arista]

Good of Peter Edwards to go on his Show.

Peter not happy with Starmer Gutter Politics

Nigel happy with Keir.

[arista]

On GBnewsHD Breakfast

Labours Pat McFadden
backs these Attack Tweets

He said, just because
the Conservative have a New Leader
every other year,
does not mean it is year Zero again.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-8516ef55-6059-4eb4-ace1-63b08fbcec8c.jpeg

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-f2524484-b718-49c8-8e52-eda149e46602.jpeg

[Kazanne]

Good of Peter Edwards to go on his Show.

Peter not happy with Starmer Gutter Politics

Nigel happy with Keir.

Lets get him in and see what he can do then.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-c9850f67-30fc-4fd6-a1d8-7551ec504aea.jpeg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/19/21/70018399-0-image-a-33_1681937837554.jpg
[Fabian Henry (pictured) was jailed for two vile attacks
on a girl of 17 and for abducting and having sex
with a 15-year-old]


[The rapist who proves Keir Starmer really
is 'Sir Softy' on crime: Labour leader opposed
deportation of criminal, 40, who has been
living in Britain for three years after
being jailed for vile sex attacks on teenage girls]



[A foreign rapist is still living in Britain
three years after Keir Starmer opposed his
deportation, the Mail can reveal today.
Fabian Henry was jailed for two vile attacks on
a girl of 17 and for abducting and
having sex with a 15-year-old.

But when the Home Office tried to put him
on a flight back to Jamaica, along with 41 other criminals,
the Labour leader endorsed a letter criticising the
Foreign rapist living in UK three years after
Keir Starmer opposed deportation]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11992213/Keir-Starmer-opposed-deportation-criminal-jailed-vile-sex-attacks-teenage-girls.html

[arista]

1648787615712178182

[arista]

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[arista]

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[bots]

Diane Abbot has been suspended from the labour party because of an article she wrote on racism

:skull:

[arista]

Diane Abbot has been suspended from the labour party because of an article she wrote on racism

:skull:


About time

[arista]

[Diane Abbott has Labour whip suspended
after 'hateful antisemitic' remarks suggesting
Jews do not face racism
Sunday 23 April 2023 11:40, UK]

https://news.sky.com/story/diane-abbott-accused-of-hateful-antisemitism-after-suggesting-jews-do-not-face-racism-12864141

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65365978

What a Stupid Comment
after Keir Starmer
sorted all this mess



I think it may go Front Page
Monday

[bots]

busted

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/A055/production/_129454014_393ab4547942c4796c9a9ae05f684fd957a0954 3.jpg.webp

[joeysteele]

She really cannot help herself at all can she.

Really she'd be well advised to step down now.
I've now no time for her ridiculous and inflammatory outbursts.

Really offensive statement.

[Crimson Dynamo]

she is a hateful bigot

[Oliver_W]

She really cannot help herself at all can she.

Really she'd be well advised to step down now.
I've now no time for her ridiculous and inflammatory outbursts.

Really offensive statement.

Outburst suggests spontaneity and allows for ill-thought-out-ness. An outburst could be overlooked, depending.

No, this was coolly considered, it's what she actually thinks.

That? I have no time for.

[bots]

it was an article published in a newspaper, she can't claim it was a slip of the tongue :laugh:

[joeysteele]

Outburst suggests spontaneity and allows for ill-thought-out-ness. An outburst could be overlooked, depending.

No, this was coolly considered, it's what she actually thinks.

That? I have no time for.

Good lord lecturing in English are you now.

The meaning of outburst is.
A sudden release of strong emotion.

What she said was what she feels and therefore is totally wrong since its roots are in her strong emotion.
The outburst also reveals that thinking and emotion.

Do you have a further issue on my words????

If outbursts are offensive no way should they be overlooked and I rarely do overlook outbursts especially on very serious matters.

[joeysteele]

it was an article published in a newspaper, she can't claim it was a slip of the tongue :laugh:

You are right she cannot bots.

This has clearly come from deep inner thinking and feeling.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1650067776671809540?s=20

[Oliver_W]

Do you have a further issue on my words????

Well since you asked.

For starters that should be issue with.

Good lord lecturing in English are you now.
This should end in a question mark.


The meaning of outburst is.
A sudden release of strong emotion.
This should be one sentence, across one line.

:joker: :joker: :joker:

[joeysteele]

Well since you asked.

For starters that should be issue with.


This should end in a question mark.


This should be one sentence, across one line.

:joker: :joker: :joker:


Suiit yourself Oliver.
Just get on with it since it amuses you so much.

[joeysteele]

[Diane Abbott has Labour whip suspended
after 'hateful antisemitic' remarks suggesting
Jews do not face racism
Sunday 23 April 2023 11:40, UK]

https://news.sky.com/story/diane-abbott-accused-of-hateful-antisemitism-after-suggesting-jews-do-not-face-racism-12864141

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65365978

What a Stupid Comment
after Keir Starmer
sorted all this mess



I think it may go Front Page
Monday



I think Starmer may see a further opportunity here now as to Abbott.
She always had the potential to be one of his difficult to handle MPs.

With the content of her statement, this could give him the chance to manoeuvre her out completely now.

Frankly, I think it's way past time that she should stand down now anyhow.
She rarely seems happy with anything and has unsavoury thinking too

[Oliver_W]

https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1650067776671809540?s=20

What else is Sir Kier meant to do? She was dewhipped pretty darn fast.

[bots]

She and Corbyn are 2 peas in a pod, it's hardly surprising

[arista]

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[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-68f85838-3520-4982-891f-c07d8415ee74.jpeg

[arista]

Starmer is going on "This Morning"
ITV1HD
tomorrow Tuesday 24/4/23 10AM Live

[arista]

Starmer Live ITV1HD

[arista]

After talking about the Jewish Labour Problem.

Onto Evil Rape
he is going to update laws
his own daughter is 12.

[arista]

He claims
on the small boats

He said we have to stop the boats
and will work upstream.

So France, is going to suddenly stop these
Smuggler Criminals for tubby Kier?

[Crimson Dynamo]

this is for you starmer you woke plonker

XVn6x13ZYwQ

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

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To be fair to him here and I do criticise him a lot.

His record from becoming leader and following the equalities commission investigation findings, is strong and praiseworthy.

I believe he has no intention of tolerating any even small elements of the vile thing which is antisemitism.

I have no idea whether Abbott should be forgiven.
The forgiveness she needs has to be sought from and given by those she offended iF they felt able to.
It's not forgiveness from Starmer that's relevant.

He's acted quickly and rightly, the process is enacted to investigate the issue as laid down by the Equalities commision directive on antisemitism.

Personally, I think Abbott would be better to stand down now.
She has had horrendous racist attacks on herself from people and even media too.
She just doesn't seem to take on board some very serious issues and realise the importance of how wrong they can be.
Her apology while welcome, came only after the issue was publicised and the fallout afterwards.

I've long held the view that there are times, when saying sorry doesn't then make things right.
For me personally , antisemetism from anyone, no matter who they are is an issue where sorry just doesn't put things right,.

On this I fully support Starmer's stance.

I just wish I could really enthusiastically get behind him on other things.
If he was to adopt the policies he says he is open on but they're not right for the next election.
Then Labour would have a really great programme to offer more than the one he appears to be going to offer.

[bots]

Abbot saying it was a first draft error is just taking the piss. She meant to say exactly what she wrote, she believes exactly what she wrote. There was no error and that is why she should be kicked from the party. It's no coincidence that she had a relationship with Corbyn, they both think the same way and they should both suffer the same fate

[joeysteele]

Abbot saying it was a first draft error is just taking the piss. She meant to say exactly what she wrote, she believes exactly what she wrote. There was no error and that is why she should be kicked from the party. It's no coincidence that she had a relationship with Corbyn, they both think the same way and they should both suffer the same fate

I agree with this.

[Liam-]

It’s a shame he isn’t as committed to stamping out all forms of racism members of the party have been subjected to

[arista]

A shorter Tweet has replaced the 3Mins tweet
That page before Longer Tweet was Deleted by ITV

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fu6De0VX0AMGtpr?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

SkyNews Text:
[Sue Gray held secret talks with Sir Keir Starmer
while working for the team advising the
Commons partygate investigation,
according to The Daily Telegraph.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-8b9f0967-aa3d-46d0-8d97-3a76046a677b.jpeg

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[Labour is at odds with Britons on a
number of "woke cultural issues"]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-74ec7f49-9dda-4739-a592-22d5795800d3.jpeg

[The Slim Reaper]

Joey, Joey, where are you? :hehe:

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[arista]

Some reports this morning,
claim Sue Gray will have to wait 2 years
before working for Starmer

This is Stinking.

[arista]

Starmer is on BBC1AM
Salford.

Justifying his Sunak Attack Posters

And saying how Royal he is?

His 2 kids aged 14 and 12
are also Royal fans

[joeysteele]

I'm not pleased with the posters attacking Sunak myself.

However he has sought to lead this discredited Party and government twice, being successful the second time.

For me, attacking the government is fine, plus pointing out Sunak as a weaker leader who isn't really addressing the issues which the attacks are on.
Not to accuse him though of the negatives of those issues.

Attack him for not acting on them fine.
Not personally.

However wait for it, the Cons will be presenting Starmer as the devil incarnate as the elections approach.

This is why a different politics is getting more vital to be explored.
Not all this childish tit for tat nonsense around very serious matters.

[arista]

I'm not pleased with the posters attacking Sunak myself.

However he has sought to lead this discredited Party and government twice, being successful the second time.

For me, attacking the government is fine, plus pointing out Sunak as a weaker leader who isn't really addressing the issues which the attacks are on.
Not to accuse him though of the negatives of those issues.

Attack him for not acting on them fine.
Not personally.

However wait for it, the Cons will be presenting Starmer as the devil incarnate as the elections approach.

This is why a different politics is getting more vital to be explored.
Not all this childish tit for tat nonsense around very serious matters.


Yes, makes sense what you have stated.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[bots]

his standard excuse is that at the time it was possible, but now it's not

[arista]

1653282054979612672


Slim Put the DATE
of that
you lazy poster

Because it just says 2023

[bots]

it says May 2nd Arista

[The Slim Reaper]

Slim Put the DATE
of that
you lazy poster

Because it just says 2023

Why is it that BOTS knew exactly what that was about, and you go on about dates like we're talking about middle eastern cuisine?

Don't get angry with me because you barely know what day it is :smug:

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

it says May 2nd Arista

Yes yesterday Date

Starmer Talking there
years ago


Lazy Slim


Not putting the date

[arista]

Why is it that BOTS knew exactly what that was about, and you go on about dates like we're talking about middle eastern cuisine?

Don't get angry with me because you barely know what day it is :smug:

Starmer there talking years ago

Put The Date - Lazy Poster

[The Slim Reaper]

Starmer there talking years ago

Put The Date - Lazy Poster

If you haven't noticed I'm not a huge fan of Starmer, so if you think I have all of his speeches seared into my memory bank, then you're completely insane :fist:

[arista]

If you haven't noticed I'm not a huge fan of Starmer, so if you think I have all of his speeches seared into my memory bank, then you're completely insane :fist:


It is Important to have
DATE


He was Brexit Secretary

Corbyn was the Leader



So he was Preaching Corbyn Policy


THAT MATTERS SLIM

[The Slim Reaper]

It is Important to have
DATE


He was Brexit Secretary

Corbyn was the Leader



So he was Preaching Corbyn Policy


THAT MATTERS SLIM

You're wrong. In one of those vids he's talking about it being one of his own pledges. Corbyn had nothing to do with it.

[arista]

You're wrong. In one of those vids he's talking about it being one of his own pledges. Corbyn had nothing to do with it.


Put the Date
2020

[arista]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i4NVEbamEg

Starmer as Brexit Secretary
or was he leader

[arista]

Any old videos of Starmer
needs dates

That all we need

[arista]

This was Early today

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[Oliver_W]

Not to go all "tin foil hat" but I swear Own Goal is hired to make the left look ridiculous and untenable. Even if you agree with some of what he says, he makes it sound unreasonable.

I can't see him being hired for these things because people think he has something to contribute. The networks just want to make "the other side" look dumb.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/jOpLbiGmHR9S0/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b9523c4p9iyt7hw5afa3psmvuhkgtpbe s3a0g3yowc8r&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

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[Crimson Dynamo]

This was Early today

1653332466340446208

ew i have not seen that little freak in the tv for ages

cant believe he is still getting gigs?

:umm2:

[Zizu]

ew i have not seen that little freak in the tv for ages


:umm2:


Jonathan Ashworth ?


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[arista]

ew i have not seen that little freak in the tv for ages

cant believe he is still getting gigs?

:umm2:


Yes he is on GMBHD itv
in the early morning, again
Around 6:30AM

As the Normal left Winger Kevin
is on holiday

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-8a22f537-de30-4a91-9b9c-e3d88f000a23.jpeg

[The Slim Reaper]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Starmer getting rinsed.

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[arista]

Yes Slim
SNP anger at weak Starmer

Today in PMQ's

[joeysteele]

Yes Slim
SNP anger at weak Starmer

Today in PMQ's

Not sure its weakness.

I'm pretty stunned on the tuition fees turnaround.

I'm not like Slim YET, however I'm seeing more and more what Slim is saying.
Sorry Slim for some reason this wouldn't double quote.

I've now heard from 4 leading figures in Labour, including Thornberry today on Politics live.
The message that if Labour wins they are going to inherit a really big mess.

I'm almost on the road of thinking Starmer maybe doesnt relish winning the next election.
So hoping to drastically cut the Cons majority to a very small one or take it to a hung parliament even.

I am scratching my head at this point.
I'm not the only one either.

I'm NOT happy at the tuition fees change.
Not at all
It was a very important issue for me in 2010.
I'll see what he comes up with instead of it but for me it's a really bad and wrong move he's done on them at this moment in time.

[The Slim Reaper]

Not sure its weakness.

I'm pretty stunned on the tuition fees turnaround.

I'm not like Slim YET, however I'm seeing more and more what Slim is saying.
Sorry Slim fit some reason this wouldn't double quote.

I've now heard from 4 leading figures in Labour, including Thornberry today on Politics live.
The message that if Labour wins they are going to inherit a really big mess.

I'm almost on the road of thinking Starmer maybe doesntvrelush winning the next election.
So hoping to drastically cut the Cons majority to a very small one or take it to a hung parliament even.

I am scratching my head at this point.
I'm not the only one either.

I'm NOT happy at the tuition fees change.
Not at all
It was a very important issue for me in 2010.
I'll see what he comes up with instead of it but for me it's a really bad and wrong move he's done on them at this moment in time.

Tories inherited a mess in 2010 - not because of labour, but because of the banking crash in 08. They chose the no spend, cut everything austerity route that Starmer looks set to continue.

If the country is a mess, it needs investment, not more austerity, and that's the main issue. Starmer is pretty much guaranteed to win, but his lack of vision will see him kicked out at the first opportunity, which will lead to another 15 years out of power to the tories, resulting in another lost generation, forcing the country evermore righrwards -which always happens in times of poverty.

He had such a massive lead that he didn't need to take advice from Blairites, he needed an ambitious, progressive programme. He's as bad as Johnson, just in a different way. Johnson is about himself, Starmer is about power for powers sake.

I know I'm preaching to the choir a bit, Joey, as I know you don't really disagree, but Starmer is a duplicitous shambles of a man.

He chose to fight the left rather than the tories. Crazy.

[bots]

his only interest is in becoming PM and he will do anything to achieve that, but that makes him exactly the same as at least 90% of current mp's. None that i can see have any genuine moral fibre

[joeysteele]

Tories inherited a mess in 2010 - not because of labour, but because of the banking crash in 08. They chose the no spend, cut everything austerity route that Starmer looks set to continue.

If the country is a mess, it needs investment, not more austerity, and that's the main issue. Starmer is pretty much guaranteed to win, but his lack of vision will see him kicked out at the first opportunity, which will lead to another 15 years out of power to the tories, resulting in another lost generation, forcing the country evermore righrwards -which always happens in times of poverty.

He had such a massive lead that he didn't need to take advice from Blairites, he needed an ambitious, progressive programme. He's as bad as Johnson, just in a different way. Johnson is about himself, Starmer is about power for powers sake.

I know I'm preaching to the choir a bit, Joey, as I know you don't really disagree, but Starmer is a duplicitous shambles of a man.

He chose to fight the left rather than the tories. Crazy.

A lot of that is correct Slim.
I am extremely dissatisfied with the tuition fees change.
My fury duly submitted to the Labour hierarchy too.

Not that my fury will make any difference, not likely others fury in the Party either.
He's dismayed younger people with his tuition fee change.

It will now be interesting to see the local election results.
John Curtice rightly indicated that for the current polling on Labours lead to be likely accurate of around 15%
Then since these results are more in some stronger Con areas from when last fought.
Labour would need to be near, on or above a 10% lead over the Cons in these local elections.

I never believe polling, I've never thought there were 20%+ gaps.
Actual votes tell a more real story.

[arista]

[I've now heard from 4 leading figures in Labour,
including Thornberry today on Politics live.
The message that if Labour wins they are
going to inherit a really big mess.]

Yes Joey they all say that

My problem is them saying Fully Costed
to every policy.

But some of Labours Numbers
do not add up.

[arista]

Tomorrow
Labour wants to use the Local Elections
as it's all about their gain?

But LibDems and Greens
Could gain some Labour councils

[The Slim Reaper]

his only interest is in becoming PM and he will do anything to achieve that, but that makes him exactly the same as at least 90% of current mp's. None that i can see have any genuine moral fibre

Labour removed the whip from an MP who donates his pay rises to charity, and never took his 9k home allowance.

Honesty and principle need to be marginalised so there is no one around who can call them out.

Rayners silence is deafening.

[The Slim Reaper]

A lot of that is correct Slim.
I am extremely dissatisfied with the tuition fees change.
My fury duly submitted to the Labour hierarchy too.

Not that my fury will make any difference, not likely others fury in the Party either.
He's dismayed younger people with his tuition fee change.

It will now be interesting to see the local election results.
John Curtice rightly indicated that for the current polling on Labours lead to be likely accurate of around 15%
Then since these results are more in some stronger Con areas from when last fought.
Labour would need to be near, on or above a 10% lead over the Cons in these local elections.

I never believe polling, I've never thought there were 20%+ gaps.
Actual votes tell a more real story.

Tory fatigue is real though, and that's ultimately what will decide the next election because people are just tired of them. It will be classed as a great victory for Starmer, which will only bolster his opinion that acting like a tory is the right way to hold on - it never will be.

[arista]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FveN1ZTWAAMoI8y?format=jpg&name=900x900


Starmer needs the Brexit Voters to Win,
Slim.

[arista]

Starmer has given an interview to SkyNewsHD
He will not do any deal with the SNP.


https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-refuses-seven-times-to-rule-out-deal-with-liberal-democrats-as-projections-show-hung-parliament-12877158

[joeysteele]

Starmer has give an interview to SkyNewsHD
He will not do any deal with the SNP.


https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-refuses-seven-times-to-rule-out-deal-with-liberal-democrats-as-projections-show-hung-parliament-12877158

Rubbish from him.

If he is say, and it's unlikely but if he's a fair way short of an overall majority.
Plus if the LibDems haven't enough to take him over the line, however the SNP have.
It would be folly to alienate the SNP if they offered support.

It's more than likely though that if Labour is short.
What with Plaid Cymru who currently work with Labour in Wales.
The green MP, plus the SDLP from N. Ireland.
Even the Alliance Party from N Ireland.
That combination wouldn't want a Con government.

The LibDems won't want to get severe burns again by even being seen to support the Cons.
Davey has firmly ruled out any deals with the Cons.

Of course the SNP really in full reality wouldn't dare do anything at Westminster to risk the Cons returning to governnent
So likely Starmer won't need to do or say much as to any deals whatever.

He could just call their bluff as to all of them.
To dare to vote him down and help the Cons back to government.
Any Party that did so would face fury from their own supporters.

[bots]

Starmer wants to fudge the self id stuff and direct association with the snp would open up that issue as wide as a barn door

[joeysteele]

He won't rule out convincingly a deal with the LibDems though.

What will they really want this time too, PR.
Since he's open to it but not for Labours manifesto this election.
Then that could be his cementing any deal with the LibDems.

I'd be happy with that.

[Zizu]

I thought Labour were gonna easily slaughter the tories ??


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