Sir Keir Starmer & his Labour Party

[arista]

The New Labour Leader
wasted yesterday and day before
demanding the Government tell him the Exit plan
to Covid 19.

He went on Every TV news and radio
wasting our time.

From NewsnightHD bbc2
last night
its been confirmed the Government
has no plans to talk to the Labour Leader on this.

[michael21]

I did not know about this looks like he watsted your time only I been watching Netflix and sky :dance:

[Zizu]

The New Labour Leader

wasted yesterday and day before

demanding the Government tell him the Exit plan

to Covid 19.



He went on Every TV news and radio

wasting our time.



From NewsnightHD bbc2

last night

its been confirmed the Government

has no plans to talk to the Labour Leader on this.



He’s lost all credibility in my humble opinion - that’s after such a promising campaign and start to his leadership

I had very high hopes for him but sadly he’s just like all the other politicians.

Don’t even get me started on Jonathan Ashworth who is a complete and utter imbecile


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[Livia]

When he was first elected he said he wanted to work together with the government and jointly end the emergency and swiftly as possible. I thought, well, that's good to hear. Since then, every time I've seen him he's been moaning about the government.

[Zizu]

When he was first elected he said he wanted to work together with the government and jointly end the emergency and swiftly as possible. I thought, well, that's good to hear. Since then, every time I've seen him he's been moaning about the government.



That’s exactly my take on things.


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[arista]

When he was first elected he said he wanted to work together with the government and jointly end the emergency and swiftly as possible. I thought, well, that's good to hear. Since then, every time I've seen him he's been moaning about the government.

Yes he is going the wrong way about it.

[Cherie]

When he was first elected he said he wanted to work together with the government and jointly end the emergency and swiftly as possible. I thought, well, that's good to hear. Since then, every time I've seen him he's been moaning about the government.

yes very disappointing, given people still seem to be trying to get their head around lock down, I heard some chap on the radio yesterday asking how long he could go out and exercise for :facepalm: like use your common sense, and given we are heading for at least 3 more weeks of lockdown, to start talking about an exit strategy now would confuse the thickos I am afraid.

KFC, Burger King, and Pret are opening for deliveries today, so that is part of an exit strategy but it doesn't need trumpeting....ITS AN EXIT STRATEGY..

He needs to start reading the public mood, until the death rate is significantly lower the public do not want schools open etc

[bots]

we are in an ideal position to watch how other countries deal with the exit strategy and its success or otherwise. Why would we commit to anything until we are actually about to do it

[Livia]

we are in an ideal position to watch how other countries deal with the exit strategy and its success or otherwise. Why would we commit to anything until we are actually about to do it

That's a very good point, Bots.

[Kizzy]

If we had done that with the spread then potentially we wouldn't be in the position we are?

[Zizu]

yes very disappointing, given people still seem to be trying to get their head around lock down, I heard some chap on the radio yesterday asking how long he could go out and exercise for :facepalm: like use your common sense, and given we are heading for at least 3 more weeks of lockdown, to start talking about an exit strategy now would confuse the thickos I am afraid.

KFC, Burger King, and Pret are opening for deliveries today, so that is part of an exit strategy but it doesn't need trumpeting....ITS AN EXIT STRATEGY..

He needs to start reading the public mood, until the death rate is significantly lower the public do not want schools open etc



Uk deaths 200 UP on yesterday. :(


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[Cherie]

Uk deaths 200 UP on yesterday. :(


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yes because of the long weekend ...

[Kizzy]

Sorry for sounding clicbaity but these figures are terrifing

The number of death registrations involving the coronavirus (COVID-19) increased from 539 in Week 13 to 3,475 in Week 14. The number of deaths mentioning “Influenza and Pneumonia” on the death certificate increased from 1,863 in Week 13 to 2,367 in Week 14. Out of the deaths mentioning “Influenza and Pneumonia” in Week 14, 1,466 also mentioned COVID-19.

In Week 14, 35.7% of all deaths mentioned “Influenza and Pneumonia”, COVID-19, or both. In comparison, for the five-year average, 20.0% of deaths mentioned “Influenza and Pneumonia”. “Influenza and Pneumonia” has been included for comparison, as a well-understood cause of death involving respiratory infection that is likely to have somewhat similar risk factors to COVID-19.



https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending3april2020

[Samm]

When he was first elected he said he wanted to work together with the government and jointly end the emergency and swiftly as possible. I thought, well, that's good to hear. Since then, every time I've seen him he's been moaning about the government.

This isn't a war, a joint government is a horrible idea, there needs to be some form of opposition to challenge the government

[Kizzy]

Of course work with the govt moving forward on how best to manage the economy and recovery, but there's no reason not to challenge the initial response as it was seriously lacking.

[Cherie]

Of course work with the govt moving forward on how best to manage the economy and recovery, but there's no reason not to challenge the initial response as it was seriously lacking.

He isn't doing that, he is asking about an exit strategy, and its far too early for that

[Zizu]

This isn't a war, a joint government is a horrible idea, there needs to be some form of opposition to challenge the government



He and that weasel of a man Jonathan Ashworth are simply undermining the work the government is doing .. they’re just destabilising things as everyone is wanting to know NOW when the restrictions are gonna be lifted or reduced... nobody can say at this stage .

I wish Boris was available as he’d squash these two in a moment whilst waving today’s death count in front of their faces .


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[Zizu]

Of course work with the govt moving forward on how best to manage the economy and recovery, but there's no reason not to challenge the initial response as it was seriously lacking.



We don’t know that the initial response was poor .. Sweden are still adamant that their way will be better in the long run .


Everyone is clambering for the restrictions to be reduced yet the countries who did lift the restrictions fairly quickly are currently seeing huge increases in infections/ deaths ..


It’s all up in the air ..




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[Livia]

Hindsight is always 20/20.

[Kizzy]

He isn't doing that, he is asking about an exit strategy, and its far too early for that

He has done that, here is a link.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-05/sir-keir-starmer-to-work-with-ministers-on-coronavirus-and-rectify-mistakes/

I've already commented with my thoughts on his demands for exit strategies, it's to create a smoke screen over the sexism and racism allegations imo.

[Kizzy]

We don’t know that the initial response was poor .. Sweden are still adamant that their way will be better in the long run .


Everyone is clambering for the restrictions to be reduced yet the countries who did lift the restrictions fairly quickly are currently seeing huge increases in infections/ deaths ..


It’s all up in the air ..




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We do.

[Zizu]

We do.



Well we don’t ..

Nobody will know ANYTHING for sure until it’s all over with and the investigations are done .

Maybe even Sweden had/have the right idea after all ..


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[arista]

[Sir Keir wrote: “And let’s be honest, serious mistakes have been made."]

Sure
but can he not help out
in a better way?

[arista]

This isn't a war, a joint government is a horrible idea, there needs to be some form of opposition to challenge the government


Of Course
So long as its not just to get onto the news?

[Kizzy]

Well we don’t ..

Nobody will know ANYTHING for sure until it’s all over with and the investigations are done .

Maybe even Sweden had/have the right idea after all ..


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We do, we went against WHO advise of test, test, test and we had Italy as a benchmark, boris also continued to ignore his own advice of social distancing and not shaking hands and it almost killed him. ..Whichever way you look at it we failed.

[Zizu]

We do, we went against WHO advise of test, test, test and we had Italy as a benchmark, boris also continued to ignore his own advice of social distancing and not shaking hands and it almost killed him. ..Whichever way you look at it we failed.


The WHO haven’t exactly been that good throughout all this though .. have they ?


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[Kizzy]

The WHO haven’t exactly been that good throughout all this though .. have they ?


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Yes, imo they have. I've posted many times the timeline of there responses and advice. It's not the WHO'S job to implement the rrecommendations only governments can do that. The science was there, the advice was there and we still failed.

[bots]

the majority (governments included) seem to think that the WHO have done a piss poor job. If they had done their job properly we wouldnt be in this mess now. People can disagree with Trump's timings and his reasons, but the best way to get anyone you pay to do a better job is to withhold it until they do

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

the majority (governments included) seem to think that the WHO have done a piss poor job. If they had done their job properly we wouldnt be in this mess now. People can disagree with Trump's timings and his reasons, but the best way to get anyone you pay to do a better job is to withhold it until they do

So exactly what is it they did wrong?
Don't you think it's odd that we have to hold the WHO to account but any suggestion we hold the government to account for anything at all, even glaring failings and it's met with total shock.

[arista]

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[Oliver_W]

He should absolutely be holding the Gov to account, but it does feel too early to keep om about an exit strategy. Sure, we need to know eventually and it would be good to know if the Gov has at least provisional plans, but there's more important things to focus on at this point.

[Zizu]

He should absolutely be holding the Gov to account, but it does feel too early to keep om about an exit strategy. Sure, we need to know eventually and it would be good to know if the Gov has at least provisional plans, but there's more important things to focus on at this point.



Have you been away on holiday?

Boris has said he will reveal the basic details next Thursday


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[Oliver_W]

Have you been away on holiday?

Boris has said he will reveal the basic details next Thursday


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Oh cool :laugh: I've basically given up on caring about politics apart from environmentalism so things pass me by :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

He’s lost all credibility in my humble opinion - that’s after such a promising campaign and start to his leadership

I had very high hopes for him but sadly he’s just like all the other politicians.

Don’t even get me started on Jonathan Ashworth who is a complete and utter imbecile


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The first 2 things Johnson did as PM is lie to the queen and try to illegally prorogue parliament to force maximum pain on the UK people by forcing through a no deal brexit. I'm no real fan of Starmer, but considering you said you don't have any political affiliation, that's a difficult set of double standards to navigate.

[Zizu]

The first 2 things Johnson did as PM is lie to the queen and try to illegally prorogue parliament to force maximum pain on the UK people by forcing through a no deal brexit. I'm no real fan of Starmer, but considering you said you don't have any political affiliation, that's a difficult set of double standards to navigate.



I’m just a good judge of people .. I’m Aspergers which comes with an awful lot of negatives but I see or notice things that many don’t and I’m rarely ,if ever, wrong on my judgement of people ..


There’s something very special about Boris , something that millions of others have picked up on even if they don’t know why .... they just like like him. I’m discounting anyone blinkered by their politics of course...



I ‘know’ that Boris is a nice , kind soul .


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[arista]

The first 2 things Johnson did as PM is lie to the queen and try to illegally prorogue parliament to force maximum pain on the UK people by forcing through a no deal brexit. I'm no real fan of Starmer, but considering you said you don't have any political affiliation, that's a difficult set of double standards to navigate.


Yes Slim
at that time Brexit was Important to Johnson PM
anyway he got Brexit past due to his massive win
in the December 2019 General Election.
Pathetic Former Labour Old Leader failed.

And also Sad MP's (Ex Labour , Ex Conservative)
that set up their new Party
got Washed away...........................................

Also Brexit is to be Concluded
Jan. 1st 2021
No Delay.

[The Slim Reaper]

I’m just a good judge of people .. I’m Aspergers which comes with an awful lot of negatives but I see or notice things that many don’t and I’m rarely ,if ever, wrong on my judgement of people ..


There’s something very special about Boris , something that millions of others have picked up on even if they don’t know why .... they just like like him. I’m discounting anyone blinkered by their politics of course...



I ‘know’ that Boris is a nice , kind soul .


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Was it handing over the address of a journalist so he could get a beating? Cheating on his wives, including one fighting cancer? referring to gay people as tank top wearing bum boys? calling black people piccaninnies with water melon smiles? The being sacked for lying more than once? Lying to the queen and the public? Calling Muslim women letterboxes? Which of these highlight his nice, kind soul specifically?

Like I said, I don't care for Starmer at all, I find it entertaining the way people dress up the fact Boris hates the same people as them, as him having characteristics even his loved ones wouldn't lie about him having.

[bots]

the new norm seems to be that it doesn't matter a crap what politicians say or do, their supporters will still rally round and whoop and cheer. I don't know anymore, as this isn't just the UK that's affected, its across the world, and it's weird to say the least

[arista]

the new norm seems to be that it doesn't matter a crap what politicians say or do, their supporters will still rally round and whoop and cheer. I don't know anymore, as this isn't just the UK that's affected, its across the world, and it's weird to say the least


Yes but other places like India
loads of migrant workers got stranded
and have no food.
Modi ,the Harsh leader
gave everyone 4 hours notice
before Lockdown.

[arista]

Was it handing over the address of a journalist so he could get a beating? Cheating on his wives, including one fighting cancer? referring to gay people as tank top wearing bum boys? calling black people piccaninnies with water melon smiles? The being sacked for lying more than once? Lying to the queen and the public? Calling Muslim women letterboxes? Which of these highlight his nice, kind soul specifically?

Like I said, I don't care for Starmer at all, I find it entertaining the way people dress up the fact Boris hates the same people as them, as him having characteristics even his loved ones wouldn't lie about him having.


Yes Some time ago
he has confirmed he will no longer
say those horrid things
but at the General Election in December
its was a Sad Old Communist
or him.
Johnson Won Big

[Oliver_W]

referring to gay people as tank top wearing bum boys?

Some bum boys do wear tank tops though :shrug:

[arista]

Some bum boys do wear tank tops though :shrug:

Of Course
he said those Horrid saying years ago.
Since running for PM
he confirmed he will not use
the term bum boys , again.

[Kizzy]

I’m just a good judge of people .. I’m Aspergers which comes with an awful lot of negatives but I see or notice things that many don’t and I’m rarely ,if ever, wrong on my judgement of people ..


There’s something very special about Boris , something that millions of others have picked up on even if they don’t know why .... they just like like him. I’m discounting anyone blinkered by their politics of course...



I ‘know’ that Boris is a nice , kind soul .


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This is the definition of being blinkered, having blind faith in anyone let alone a politician is not logical. If you are inexplicably drawn to boris it doesn't mean the rest of us will be, and his actions will be held to the same standard as everyone else's.

[Zizu]

This is the definition of being blinkered, having blind faith in anyone let alone a politician is not logical. If you are inexplicably drawn to boris it doesn't mean the rest of us will be, and his actions will be held to the same standard as everyone else's.

Check on his current popularity standings ... I’m hardly alone in having a soft spot for him

Please don’t claim that it’s not possible to ‘read’ someone ...

I wouldn’t trust Corbyn , Blair or Cameron to look after our hamster .


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[Zizu]

Was it handing over the address of a journalist so he could get a beating? Cheating on his wives, including one fighting cancer? referring to gay people as tank top wearing bum boys? calling black people piccaninnies with water melon smiles? The being sacked for lying more than once? Lying to the queen and the public? Calling Muslim women letterboxes? Which of these highlight his nice, kind soul specifically?



Like I said, I don't care for Starmer at all, I find it entertaining the way people dress up the fact Boris hates the same people as them, as him having characteristics even his loved ones wouldn't lie about him having.



You know that harbouring all that hatred and negativity is really detrimental to your wellbeing !!?


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[Kizzy]

Check on his current popularity standings ... I’m hardly alone in having a soft spot for him

Please don’t claim that it’s not possible to ‘read’ someone ...

I wouldn’t trust Corbyn , Blair or Cameron to look after our hamster .


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You and I read people very differently, that is apparent. His approval rating is not 100% therefore it's not that much of a stretch to imagine there are others, like me, who think he is lacking in admirable qualities.

[Kizzy]

You know that harbouring all that hatred and negativity is really detrimental to your wellbeing !!?


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Telling the truth should never be seen as detrimental.

[The Slim Reaper]

You know that harbouring all that hatred and negativity is really detrimental to your wellbeing !!?


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I know you're trying to troll, but you're not good at it for one, and you're the person who has to ignore the actual hate fuelled language of the guy you're crushing on like a 10yr old at a one direction concert.

[Kazanne]

yes very disappointing, given people still seem to be trying to get their head around lock down, I heard some chap on the radio yesterday asking how long he could go out and exercise for :facepalm: like use your common sense, and given we are heading for at least 3 more weeks of lockdown, to start talking about an exit strategy now would confuse the thickos I am afraid.

KFC, Burger King, and Pret are opening for deliveries today, so that is part of an exit strategy but it doesn't need trumpeting....ITS AN EXIT STRATEGY..

He needs to start reading the public mood, until the death rate is significantly lower the public do not want schools open etc

Its reported Piers Corbyn Jeremys brother)is wanting the lockdown lifted too, whats the matter with these people who want to rush into things.

[arista]

Its reported Piers Corbyn Jeremys brother)is wanting the lockdown lifted too, whats the matter with these people who want to rush into things.

He Should go on TV news
and debate that with Clever Dr. Smith.

[Kazanne]

He Should go on TV news
and debate that with Clever Dr. Smith.

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/coronavirus-jeremy-corbyns-brother-speaks-4098265?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&fbclid=IwAR1oNF2zE-tWUd12i8PNL9MKtFw0xTaeJAQzXc113yLe0NmmiYlZ_wNp3W0
Forgot to post the link.

[Oliver_W]

Its reported Piers Corbyn Jeremys brother)is wanting the lockdown lifted too, whats the matter with these people who want to rush into things.
It takes a lot of work to be the worst Piers and the worst Corbyn!

[arista]

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P. Corbyn , 73

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

[Labour general secretary Jennie Formby resigns
after bombshell antisemitism report leak
She said she applied for the role two years ago
"to support Jeremy Corbyn" but with new leader
Sir Keir Starmer in place "it is the right time to step down".]

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-general-secretary-jennie-formby-resigns-after-bombshell-antisemitism-report-leak-11982942

[arista]

todays PMQ's


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[Oliver_W]

Sir Kier was great in PMQs. A lack of a noisy audience really shines a light on Boris' bluster.

[arista]

Jon Lansman stands down as leader of left-wing group Momentum


[The 62-year-old said the time had come
for the organisation to be led by a new
generation of activists in an article written
for the Labour List website.
"We are now a mass of dedicated activists
fighting for a better world.
And in this new era, it is time that a new generation
of leaders put their ideas into practice,"
he wrote.]

https://news.sky.com/story/jon-lansman-stands-down-as-leader-of-left-wing-group-momentum-11989640

[Oliver_W]

Sir Kier's brand of Labour is also fighting for a better world, so I'd be interested to see if Momentum's new leader will get behind him, or continue to fight for Corbynistic causes.

[arista]

Sir Kier's brand of Labour is also fighting for a better world, so I'd be interested to see if Momentum's new leader will get behind him, or continue to fight for Corbynistic causes.


That new person Must get behind
the Labour leader,
there is no other way.

[Oliver_W]

That new person Must get behind
the Labour leader,
there is no other way.

Not necessarily :shrug: Are they even a labour supporting group? I thought they were just a left wing organisation who just happened to be supporting Labour because Corbyn was the current leader.

[user104658]

There's no appetite for Corbyn's harder, more old-fashioned socialism. It's been tested, twice, and it's just not getting the votes. If there's ever to be any hope of a UK with more upward social mobility and support for the disabled, low incomes, etc. Labour needs to embrace a more modern, sensible form of wealth redistribution. A pledge to fix UC would be a start.

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[Oliver_W]

He's really effective, makes one wish he was leading the Labour party when they were against a minority government. He could have been the de facto PM!

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The mental health situation is going to be horrendous. I honestly don't think it would be possible to over-estimate... and it's going to be a delayed effect too because people tend to hold it together for a while, and then avoid seeking help for a while longer. There's going to be a steadily increasing strain on MH and addiction services for the next few years.

[joeysteele]

He was in no way again my choice for leader of the Party.
Actually I'm rarely impressed by any leaders of Parties in the UK.
Apart from Nicola Sturgeon who I've admired, for her honesty and genuine compassion on the losses of elderly lives likely unnecessarily in this pandemic.

However Starmer is effective, I like how he sticks clinically to the points he makes at PMQs.
Johnson's usual clouding the water bluster cannot really surface and he always appears to be struggling to answer Starmer.

The criticisms of the handling of this pandemic may be a little premature.
This is a nightmare for any government to have had to deal with.
I'm sure no one ever hoped or wanted to have to.
I think this government set out with good intentions to deal with it.
Rishi Sunak particularly who is the Government light in this for me.

The question I want asked at the more terminal point of this pandemic however.
Is why?
When we had Hancock saying in January that we had a great test for this virus.
Why it was stated we were prepared for it.

Then after all the forewarnings of what transpired in Italy, with Italy saying it would be coming across Europe to the UK.

Why, with that forewarning in January and February, how instead of being able to avoid the holes Italy found itself in.
We ended up in those same holes and sinking deeper.

Hindsight isn't the issue here, we had all that forewarning of what was coming.

Then had the farce of the shocking protection equipment.
The scandal of those in supposed care homes, being virtually sacrificed carelessly.

The failure to protect care staff also NHS Doctors and Nurses.
Not to mention other public service workers too.

These questions need answering in the future and this is where, with his analytical and clinical style of presentation, Starmer must and I now believe can shine.
Although it's a really sad set of results to have to do so on.

Starmer wasn't my choice as I said however I like how he's performing so far definitely.

A long, really long way to go but, he could spring many surprises.
Social changes have to come in the UK.
I think people are starting to see the failures across the board on those issues.
Social care, mental health also however social justice too.
Starmer is on the right track, at least for now.

[Kizzy]

There's no appetite for Corbyn's harder, more old-fashioned socialism. It's been tested, twice, and it's just not getting the votes. If there's ever to be any hope of a UK with more upward social mobility and support for the disabled, low incomes, etc. Labour needs to embrace a more modern, sensible form of wealth redistribution. A pledge to fix UC would be a start.

That's not true. He was around 3000 votes short of winning in 2017 despite the media. The lies were cranked to max for the next election.

[bots]

we need an effective opposition, something we sadly lacked when Corbyn was around. Politically, labour and the tories are poles apart, so they will never agree. I just don't think we have true political heavyweights around at the moment, when we really need them. They all seem to be career politicians or completely incompetent.

[Oliver_W]

That's not true. He was around 3000 votes short of winning in 2017 despite the media. The lies were cranked to max for the next election.

The number of votes aren't what counts, we don't elect our PMs. It's seats that decide who becomes PM.

[Kizzy]

The number of votes aren't what counts, we don't elect our PMs. It's seats that decide who becomes PM.

Yes and he was a couple of thousand votes short for the seats needed to win. Considering the vendetta against him he almost won.
I'm aware of how voting works thankyou.

[arista]

Starmer is going Live on GMBHD itv
shortly


around 7:25AM

[Cherie]

Starmer is going Live on GMBHD itv
shortly


around 7:25AM

Good interview, he has a likeable personality and he is doing well in the polls, Labour members must be happy?

[joeysteele]

Starmer is going Live on GMBHD itv
shortly


around 7:25AM



So he should.
Hard questioning and scrutiny of politicians is a very important procedure.
Even moreso on serious issues.

I have never liked Piers Morgan, however he isn't afraid to fire important questions at anyone.

What is astounding, is no government Minister has been on that programme for 62 days.
Refusing to be questioned on their decisions which affect most or all the Nation.
That's ridiculous.

So I applaud Starmer going on this today.
Because frankly the BBC have given up on any real deep questioning of Ministers.
It's more like an old pals act with them now.

Almost like the BBC is scared of the government.
I really cannot watch BBC now.
Preferring Sky news and their interviewing.

Starmer believes he's done right, as he said that's for others to decide if they think he's doing things the right way.
However, yes absolutely right to go on ALL programmes and put your points across.
Immaterial of the questioning or who may be asking said questions

[bots]

All media has an agenda, Morgan was a complete dick when he last interviewed a government representative. He put words in her mouth and didn't give her a chance to speak. Why would they go on that programme given that?

Sky and the BBC are both dreadful in their own ways too, it becomes more and more difficult to work out what the real truth is, and I cannot abide being spoon fed an agenda whoever is ramming it down our throats

On the subject of Keir, I think he is doing a great job so far and long may it continue. It's such a refreshing change

[joeysteele]

I don't know if you were meaning Helen Whateley there bitontheslide.
However she was a disgrace both times she was on.
She is a so called Care Minister who hadn't a clue about testing, PPE or the death rates in Care Homes.

She was either totally incompetent or being blatantly deceitful.
He was totally right to hammer her.

As he was the times he tried to get any reall truth or even basic common sense out of Hancock, the so called Health secretary.

Across the board, he is a total disgrace.

[Kazanne]

All media has an agenda, Morgan was a complete dick when he last interviewed a government representative. He put words in her mouth and didn't give her a chance to speak. Why would they go on that programme given that?

Sky and the BBC are both dreadful in their own ways too, it becomes more and more difficult to work out what the real truth is, and I cannot abide being spoon fed an agenda whoever is ramming it down our throats

On the subject of Keir, I think he is doing a great job so far and long may it continue. It's such a refreshing change

I agree with this totally, I used to quite like Piers until I found out more about him and then to see the way he 'interviewed' people was horrible to watch,his sidekick isn't any better, I love the fact Piers is so annoyed the government wont go on there anymore, that was his doing,not theirs, he is insufferable and only interested in his own voice and opinons, as for what I found out about his past, well I wont even go there. It is easy to criticize when your not in the firing seat. I dont watch it anymore,would rather get my news from other sources.

[user104658]

Morgan was a complete dick when he last interviewed a government representative. He put words in her mouth and didn't give her a chance to speak.

That describes literally every Piers Morgan "interview" I've ever had the displeasure of watching; and the govt. were happy enough with it when he was singing from their sheet. The mistake they made was believing that he was a Tory shill, when he's actually just a blaring trombone of popularism.

[Liam-]

Piers right now is the only one willing to ask the proper questions and not rest until he gets an answer, politicians have spent too long getting away with brushing past questions and dodging answers, It’s jarring because it’s not what we’re used to, good on him I say, they shouldn’t be allowed to just waffle and avoid scrutiny or hard questioning, they work for us ffs, we should be demanding proper answers to these questions, instead people are upset because they’re getting grilled, poor them

[Liam-]

That describes literally every Piers Morgan "interview" I've ever had the displeasure of watching; and the govt. were happy enough with it when he was singing from their sheet. The mistake they made was believing that he was a Tory shill, when he's actually just a blaring trombone of popularism.

Exactly, when he was doing the same to ‘corbynites’ the government and Borisbackers lapped it up, but now the Tories have complete responsibility and the show is on the other foot, they all this it’s unprofessional and nasty, it’s laughable

[user104658]

Piers right now is the only one willing to ask the proper questions and not rest until he gets an answer, politicians have spent too long getting away with brushing past questions and dodging answers, It’s jarring because it’s not what we’re used to, good on him I say, they shouldn’t be allowed to just waffle and avoid scrutiny or hard questioning, they work for us ffs, we should be demanding proper answers to these questions, instead people are upset because they’re getting grilled, poor them

They should be grilled but the problem with Morgan is that he doesn't leave room for an answer - even one to be scrutinised. He isn't looking for answers, he's looking to blast his opinion louder than the other person in the room and it's boring. A skilled interviewer is there to let the other person talk and then quickly and succinctly point out the holes in their answer - they're not there to talk, and Morgan only wants to hear his own voice.

This was true when he was pro-tory, pro-brexit, etc. and it doesn't stop being true just because he's flipped on the government.

I'd LOVE to see these politicians under the scrutiny of a genuinely skilled, knowledgeable interviewer. I don't want to see Piers hooting at them for 10 minutes.

[bots]

I don't know if you were meaning Helen Whateley there bitontheslide.
However she was a disgrace both times she was on.
She is a so called Care Minister who hadn't a clue about testing, PPE or the death rates in Care Homes.

She was either totally incompetent or being blatantly deceitful.
He was totally right to hammer her.

As he was the times he tried to get any reall truth or even basic common sense out of Hancock, the so called Health secretary.

Across the board, he is a total disgrace.


i have no problem with politicians being asked searching questions, but I would rather hear what they have to say than a demented Morgan shouting over them. I think that word fits him perfectly ... demented.

I strongly believe that the government should be held to account, but the example I saw just wasn't it

[Kazanne]

Piers right now is the only one willing to ask the proper questions and not rest until he gets an answer, politicians have spent too long getting away with brushing past questions and dodging answers, It’s jarring because it’s not what we’re used to, good on him I say, they shouldn’t be allowed to just waffle and avoid scrutiny or hard questioning, they work for us ffs, we should be demanding proper answers to these questions, instead people are upset because they’re getting grilled, poor them

It's fine asking questions IF you let people answer,he doesn't ,as for us wanting answers,there are plenty of other news channels that they happily go on and answer our questions,Piers and his sidekick just make it all about them and I never saw him this hyserical over Corbyn ,or anyone, he's a hypocrite , but he's easily turned off in our house now.

[Liam-]

It's fine asking questions IF you let people answer,he doesn't ,as for us wanting answers,there are plenty of other news channels that they happily go on and answer our questions,Piers and his sidekick just make it all about them and I never saw him this hyserical over Corbyn ,or anyone, he's a hypocrite , but he's easily turned off in our house now.

He lets people finish an answer of it’s a direct answer to the question that was asked, he doesn’t let them direct where the questioning does, that’s a good thing.

Also, sorry, the bib is HYSTERICAL, I can’t

[user104658]

He lets people finish an answer of it’s a direct answer to the question that was asked, he doesn’t let them direct where the questioning does, that’s a good thing.

Also, sorry, the bib is HYSTERICAL, I can’t

But a skilled interviewer baits the trap, and helps the interviewee relax to the point where the guard slips and a real answer comes out. This is the part that Morgan seems to be unable to grasp. He does indeed "hammer at them" but he goes straight in with the hammer in his hand; the defence never drops, so while he succeeds in pointing out that they won't give a straight answer... he never manages to GET a straight answer. The walls go up and up until the whole interview is shut down - often by a frustrated Morgan himself.

Pointing out bull**** answers is only half of the challenge and there's not much point in it when it only causes them to "armadillo", taking the answers with them.

[joeysteele]

That describes literally every Piers Morgan "interview" I've ever had the displeasure of watching; and the govt. were happy enough with it when he was singing from their sheet. The mistake they made was believing that he was a Tory shill, when he's actually just a blaring trombone of popularism.


So indeed were Tory supporters happy when he ripped into Labour politicians because that suited them.

They'll turn a blind eye to the wrongs of this government in this pandemic however.

All Morgan has done in his usual way is expose the deceit on protection equipment, the testing figures, the losses of lives of NHS Doctors, Nurses and staff, plus the unnecessary scandalous deaths of loved ones in Care Homes.
With facts.

That's why Tory Ministers won't go on, they don't want their deceit challenged on those things.
Neither do their supporters considering the complaints to Ofcom.
Complaints laughed at and largely glossed over when he was ripping Labour Shadow Ministers apart.

He's no different to how he's always been.
I don't like him,never have..
However having lost loved ones myself unnecessarily myself to this virus.

His campaign and exposing of the deceit of Tory Ministers, I do admire.
No wonder they want to hide away.

[arista]

Monday only on LBC Live Radio
Public Phone in to question Sir Keir
from 7AM Nic Ferrari

the Labour leader is Live

[arista]

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9AM Live taking Questions from the Public

[Beso]

Hi kiers.why did you decide not to prosecute jimmy savile in 2008

[arista]

Hi kiers.why did you decide not to prosecute jimmy savile in 2008


Maybe he never had all the Details, then.

[joeysteele]

Maybe he never had all the Details, then.

Why did Margaret Thatcher give him a Knighthood.

Exactly, the law has to act on evidence and there has to be enough of it.

[arista]

Sir Keir is Live now
on LBC radio

First caller Sharon
a Black Lady caller having a go at his BLM moment claim.
she got a nice reply
as Keir said he will take training , first

[arista]

He spoke of Labour Ideas
like a Wealth Tax for the well off.


Sadly ony 30 mins with Sir Keir, live

[Kizzy]

He spoke of Labour Ideas
like a Wealth Tax for the well off.


Sadly ony 30 mins with Sir Keir, live

Sounds a bit corbyny that :hehe:

[Oliver_W]

How did he do?

[arista]

How did he do?


He did OK.


Making the black call Lady
happy that he will be the first in the labour party
to take a course,
awareness etc.

It's a 3 hour course
he said.

[Cherie]

He was pretty good, not as witty as Bojo last week though :laugh:

[Zizu]

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[arista]

Zizu
I have posted that image on 2 Threads

Boohoo
and Covid-19 thread

[Zizu]

Hi kiers.why did you decide not to prosecute jimmy savile in 2008



While you’re at it .. call up Esther R and Janet S P to give evidence ( forty years late )


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[The Slim Reaper]

Hi kiers.why did you decide not to prosecute jimmy savile in 2008

He wasn't the lawyer in charge of that case.

[Zizu]

Zizu
I have posted that image on 2 Threads

Boohoo
and Covid-19 thread



Sorry .. just back from work and haven’t caught up with things yet


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[Oliver_W]

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Bit of an odd stick to hit Sir Kier with, unless this was "allowed" to happen due to locally enacted policies or initiatives which came from the Labour MPs and councils rather than higher up.

[arista]

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[arista]

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23StarmerOut&src=trend_click


Now a load are against Keir
above link "StarmerOut"

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[The Slim Reaper]

Trying to out-tory the tories is never going to be a winner.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EffOtnbXkAAQzzL?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Keir Starmer has written an article for the Daily Mail]



He is not permitted
to write in the D.M.

I assume that's why so many are angry?

[joeysteele]

Nobody serious would or should want to write for the trash that is the Daily Mail.

I just hope to see that gutter publication cease being printed one day.

[Oliver_W]

Sir Keir is fine, why are people calling for him to resign?!

[Oliver_W]

Okay so apparently the twitterers are ****ting themselves because Sir Keir wrote a column for the Daily Mail :joker:

Jeez, it's just another gutter rag, it's not like he wrote for the Daily Stormer, or even appeared on Iran's propaganda network :laugh: Labour will never climb out of its recent funk if it doesn't try to reach out to all sides, at least to some extent.

[user104658]

Okay so apparently the twitterers are ****ting themselves because Sir Keir wrote a column for the Daily Mail :joker:

Jeez, it's just another gutter rag, it's not like he wrote for the Daily Stormer, or even appeared on Iran's propaganda network :laugh: Labour will never climb out of its recent funk if it doesn't try to reach out to all sides, at least to some extent.

Depends on the content of the article, I suppose.

[Oliver_W]

Depends on the content of the article, I suppose.

This is true, but from what I gather -I don't read any tabloid tbh- it was an anti-tory article.

Plus, I bet the number of cartoon racists who read the DM is a lot smaller than working class "normies" in the Red Wall who read it.

Should he have written for the Guardian? These days it seems to appeal more to Bougie middle-classers than the blue collar working types ... arguably, just like Labour in recent years.

[arista]

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[arista]

He was Live on SkyNewsHD

talking on a screen, for the TUC.

He is self isolating

He got a test as his wife works in a Hospital.
He is awaiting the result.

[arista]

No PMQ's
but today Keir was in Scotland.

[arista]

[Because of Covid-19, the party is holding "Labour Connected,"
a four-day digital get-together for activists and unions.

"We will not have anyone physically there
and therefore it will all be done virtually," said Sir Keir,
who will say a few words at the start and
make his big keynote speech on Tuesday morning.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-labour-conference-with-a-difference-to-welcome-twice-as-many-as-normal-annual-event-12075568

[joeysteele]

I can't see the point of conferences this year.
An election is way off.

Policies in light of brexit and covid could need to be changed several times over the next 2 to 3 years to come.

I'd have just dropped them this year myself.

[MTVN]

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Pretty clear message

[Beso]

Nobody serious would or should want to write for the trash that is the Daily Mail.

I just hope to see that gutter publication cease being printed one day.

So people wanting to change certain mindsets should not attempt to do so by confronting them direct and head on?

[Oliver_W]

To be fair with a new leader and front bench, I think this is a good time for Labour to hold a conference. We can "get to know" the new big players, and allow the party to lay out their new plans etc. Especially if they address what will be changing after the whupping they got in the last General.

[arista]

Sir Keir
is on
Sophie Ridge SkyNewsHD 8:30AM
Marr Show BBC1HD 9AM.

Today

[Zizu]

To be fair with a new leader and front bench, I think this is a good time for Labour to hold a conference. We can "get to know" the new big players, and allow the party to lay out their new plans etc. Especially if they address what will be changing after the whupping they got in the last General.



Who have they got to impress us ??


Jon Ashworth , Ed Miliband and Diane Abbott spring to mind ... what a scary thought .

Part of me wishes Labour could just ‘take over’ NOW - to see what a mess THEY would make of the pandemic/Brexit talks etc

At least it would provide some comic value entertainment..


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[Zizu]

Starmer on Sophie Ridge NOW

He said the priority for testing HAS to be children ..

Sophie quickly said .. “ but Jonathan Ashworth says the priority has to be NHS staff and Liz Kendal says care homes has to be the priority and now you say children should be the priority... we live in the real world so what IS the priority?’

Starmer’s inspired response ??

“ Yes , those with symptoms, NHS staff , care homes ... and children- have to be he priorities! “

Laughable with a capital L !!


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[joeysteele]

To be fair with a new leader and front bench, I think this is a good time for Labour to hold a conference. We can "get to know" the new big players, and allow the party to lay out their new plans etc. Especially if they address what will be changing after the whupping they got in the last General.

I agree with most of that.

I just however at this time, think it's near Impossible to present much that's new.

I don't want to see a long list of criticising the reactions of this pandemic, I do that myself yes,however I am glad to see the opposition support the government when they do anything better to deal with it.

They cannot present policies, they have no figures that are true in front of them, either in relation to the economy or this pandemic.
Brexit is still to be done.

Whatever is said at this time could be redundant by Spring next year.

Yes, good to see the team.
Someone mentioned Diane Abbott, she's not even in the cabinet anymore.
So rather petty to bring her name up.

Kier Starmer has a better team.
Actually Miliband was good as a Minister before being leader, he was excellent last week.

I think there were only 3 things in the main Labour need to change from the last election.
The Brexit confusion, that's done now.
Although badly with Johnson and his surge to no deal.
We still don't know if there will be one or not.

The leadership,I think Corbyn got unfair and vicious press, however in the election campaign I found he was a big drawback now.

anti-Semitism too.
Which is ongoing but with Starmer, such a better atmosphere around it and the belief he will not tolerate it in the slightest.

Other than that, policies, plans and even moderate future proposals are linked to this pandemic and the economy after brexit.

I just feel the conference season ought to have been put off this year.
Especially with this virus gaining strength again.

I'm often asked do I believe Labour would have done any better in this pandemic.
That cannot be answered by me really.

I think a more National coalition with the devolved assemblies too would have.

All I'd stick my neck out on, would be to say, I think Labour would have protected the vulnerable and elderly much more.
So likely resulting in a lot less care home deaths.

I don't think we would have ended up in the same holes, Italy, Spain and France sadly found themselves in.
With the UK not just diving into those holes after them but then digging our hole deeper.
As to deaths and lack of protection equipment and the farce of testing.

I doubt any other party or combination of parties could have been as deceitful and incompetent as Johnson and his absolutely wastes of space Ministers.
Particularly his surely truly discredited for all time now Health secretary.

[bots]

i think the labour conference is more important than the others because thats what drives future policy. It will let us know if the unions are going to play ball etc, so for them, it's much more than introducing the new cabinet

[arista]

i think the labour conference is more important than the others because thats what drives future policy. It will let us know if the unions are going to play ball etc, so for them, it's much more than introducing the new cabinet


Yes Keir is doing his speech
on Tuesday
also the day the PM talks to us all.


He claims to be on good terms with the Unions.

[joeysteele]

i think the labour conference is more important than the others because thats what drives future policy. It will let us know if the unions are going to play ball etc, so for them, it's much more than introducing the new cabinet

Well reading yours, Oliver's and arista's views on this.
I bow to them.

Let's see what comes from it then.
As to the Unions, I agree with them most of the time however, they always have their own agenda too.

I can't see them in the main wanting to rock the boat.
Even less so in this setting of having no real physical presence audience to perform to.

However, you 3 have changed my mind.

[Nicky91]

idk if i may, but our Labour party (PVDA) is also working very hard, especially here for care workers that they #DeserveMoreThanApplause

this is basically our leader Asscher's main slogan to make sure all health care workers, other medical staff at frontlines get those extra bonusses


would love a video conference between Sir Keir and our Asscher (i mean dutch and british Labour parties had good contacts before too, with Corbyn having visited ours too few times)


i feel like this standing up for care workers, medical staff would be a good move by british labour party too

[arista]

Sir Keir
does not want another Scottish Referendum

Next May 2021 Local Elections.



He Confirmed at the End of Marr
BBC1HD

[arista]

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[arista]

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[joeysteele]

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Well I doubt any other party or leader really wants to see the break up of the UK.
Despite this lot acting as if they do by ignoring and dismissing the devolved governments.

Except for the extreme DUP party that is.

It is hypothetical until the next Holyrood elections.
However, if Nicola Sturgeon has independence in the SNP manifesto.
Plus she then gets the votes again in the Holyrood elections.
Commanding a majority in the the Holyrood governing body.

Then it's not hypothetical.
Plus then, all parties and leaders, have to either accept this now will of those in Scotland.
Or act in dictator fashion and hold Scotland as a virtual prisoner of the UK.

She will have her mandate then.
She hasn't the full one at present.

What she will have in that scenario is the right and mandate from Scotland to go again for independence.

The UK government, PM and other parties will have no mandate whatsoever to deny Scotland its will.
No matter their bluster now.

A bit more consensus politics and actually respecting, not dismissing, the devolved governments by the dictatorship of Johnson and his authoritarian cabinet.
Would help a little.

I think it's too late.
The remaining time this man is PM and this deceitful untruthful Government is in place.
I can only see the tide running even stronger for Nicola Sturgeon in Scotland.

[The Slim Reaper]

Still gutted that the one opportunity for real change we had, was lied and smeared out of contention.

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[bots]

just seen a bit of the conference and it is unwatchable. The content is so dry, it just doesn't work in that setting

[arista]

just seen a bit of the conference and it is unwatchable. The content is so dry, it just doesn't work in that setting


Yes Dodds MP not good at speaking alone
Their health view is too far away to the next Election Date.

[joeysteele]

Yes Dodds MP not good at speaking alone
Their health view is too far away to the next Election Date.

I think I'll revert back to my original stance.

Much of what is said in this conference, could be redundant in months.
Irrelevant then.

This is not necessary, in my view anyway.
It just doesn't work at all.

[Tom4784]

Keir Starmer seems fine and Labour seems to be improving but it doesn't matter because the media will never allow Labour to win an election over their beloved Boris.

[bots]

Keir Starmer seems fine and Labour seems to be improving but it doesn't matter because the media will never allow Labour to win an election over their beloved Boris.

i don't see Boris continuing for much longer, i would say he will be gone by March. Then it's anyones guess how things will pan out

[Tom4784]

i don't see Boris continuing for much longer, i would say he will be gone by March. Then it's anyones guess how things will pan out

We can only hope, but I don't doubt that the Tory dominance will continue, if the pandemic and how it's been handled isn't enough to turn the tides against them, I don't know if anything will.

[Kizzy]

Still gutted that the one opportunity for real change we had, was lied and smeared out of contention.

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Exactly, Corbyn is a dirty word in labour now and his policies are seen as unattractive as they lead to negative press for being too left wing. However, Corbyns policies were very popular and Kier himself was elected on a socialist mandate, they are just terrified of being aligned with Corbyn due to the unwarranted media drubbing that would accompany a direct correlation of policy.


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[arista]

Sir Kier is live tomorrow BBC2HD 9AM

Politics Live special.

[user104658]

Keir Starmer seems fine and Labour seems to be improving but it doesn't matter because the media will never allow Labour to win an election over their beloved Boris.

The BBC Murdoch documentary really hammers home how true this is. I mean, it is BBC so it's not ENTIRELY without anti-Murdoch-Media bias, but it points to a few things that are just undeniable. The UK printed press still holds vast sway over UK politics and has effectively nudged every election the way they want it for decades.

That said, it also shows that it is inherently self-serving and will bend whichever way suits at the time; it's not impossible for them to turn on the Tories under the right circumstances. Tony Blair effectively persuaded Murdoch to back New Labour in the tabloids and it lead to an easy decade in power for Labour.

[bots]

What we are missing are shows like spitting image (i know it's making a comeback, but it won't be the same) where they had scenes with Maggie Thatcher using the urinal and and thousands of other glorious moments. We need satire to properly expose political party's for what they are

[user104658]

What we are missing are shows like spitting image (i know it's making a comeback, but it won't be the same) where they had scenes with Maggie Thatcher using the urinal and and thousands of other glorious moments. We need satire to properly expose political party's for what they are

As the South Park guys said about Trump; it's very hard to make satire out of something that is already ludicrous. When what looks like a massively exaggerated satire is just the actual situation, and the actual people involved are already living caricatures.

[Oliver_W]

As the South Park guys said about Trump; it's very hard to make satire out of something that is already ludicrous. When what looks like a massively exaggerated satire is just the actual situation, and the actual people involved are already living caricatures.
tbh Trump has pretty much killed comedy, or at least political comedy. Impressions of him and jokes about him are just not funny, and it wastes time that could be spent on other things. It'd be ludicrous to say Trump Jokes are "punching down" but it's still like making fun of knock-knock jokes.

[user104658]

tbh Trump has pretty much killed comedy, or at least political comedy. Impressions of him and jokes about him are just not funny, and it wastes time that could be spent on other things. It'd be ludicrous to say Trump Jokes are "punching down" but it's still like making fun of knock-knock jokes.

There's no Trump impression that's funnier than Trump just being himself, so there's basically no point doing one. Just show a video of actual Trump.

[The Slim Reaper]

Keir Starmer seems fine and Labour seems to be improving but it doesn't matter because the media will never allow Labour to win an election over their beloved Boris.

I disagree with this. If you look at Starmers agenda, he seems to be talking more about being tough on crime than social inequality. That's exactly how you get the RW press to give you a chance.

[Oliver_W]

There's no Trump impression that's funnier than Trump just being himself, so there's basically no point doing one. Just show a video of actual Trump.

Well, exactly :joker: At least with Biden pretty much disintegrating before our very eyes there's something to say, but Trump is already a living punchline...

[Tom4784]

I disagree with this. If you look at Starmers agenda, he seems to be talking more about being tough on crime than social inequality. That's exactly how you get the RW press to give you a chance.

But it won't matter because they'll just snap him eating a sandwich and be like 'do you trust a man who eats his sandwiches like this to run the country?!' and it'll work.

The only way Labour gets back in is if they out-tory the tories, because that's what the media wants, Tory governance protects the interests of the rich and powerful, labour governments that aren't bluecoats dressed in red do not.

[arista]

Sir Kier Speech is now 9AM BBC2HD


As the PM is in Parliament
around 12:30PM

[joeysteele]

The set they are speaking from is awful.

They needed a far better backdrop, to grab attention.
Especially with no audience atmosphere present.

[bots]

they needed to do the same as they did with the football ... simulated crowd noise .... oooohhh ... ahhhhh .... clap clap clap :laugh:

[joeysteele]

they needed to do the same as they did with the football ... simulated crowd noise .... oooohhh ... ahhhhh .... clap clap clap :laugh:

Well something at least other than that boring background which has nothing eye-catching about it.

Although often at Labour conferences, applauding can be replaced be jeering.
Which is what I like to see.
You can't have a room filled with people and they all agree with everything said.

I hate the usual format of stage managed conference setting too.
However the background setting is at least more eye catching then.

[The Slim Reaper]

But it won't matter because they'll just snap him eating a sandwich and be like 'do you trust a man who eats his sandwiches like this to run the country?!' and it'll work.

The only way Labour gets back in is if they out-tory the tories, because that's what the media wants, Tory governance protects the interests of the rich and powerful, labour governments that aren't bluecoats dressed in red do not.

It's always about the agenda, not the party. The last bit is exactly my point, a labour that moves right like Blair and Starmer will be welcomed, a party that fights for the original concerns of a labour party will be smeared.

It's why why the labour antisemitism smears originate from when Miliband (a jew) changed the party's stance towards Israel/Palestine.

[user104658]

they needed to do the same as they did with the football ... simulated crowd noise .... oooohhh ... ahhhhh .... clap clap clap :laugh:

I've found the noise they can use for the HoC simulated full house!

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[user104658]

It's always about the agenda, not the party. The last bit is exactly my point, a labour that moves right like Blair and Starmer will be welcomed, a party that fights for the original concerns of a labour party will be smeared.


Yep, Blair wined & dined Murdoch for months. As did Cameron...

[The Slim Reaper]

Yep, Blair wined & dined Murdoch for months. As did Cameron...

He's also his son's godfather. Sell your soul to the rw press, and receive the riches your ambition desires.

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1308325445264379904

:facepalm: yes why try come up with suggestions how to fight corona, when you can keep fighting the current government

[The Slim Reaper]

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1308325445264379904

:facepalm: yes why try come up with suggestions how to fight corona, when you can keep fighting the current government

I hate having to defend Starmer, but he's from the legal profession, not infectious diseases. It's the government that ignored the science, allowed advisors to do what they want, and then blamed young people.

His job as opposition to leader is to hold the government to account, although it's a shame he's only doing it on this and not the removal of transparency and the tory willingness to break the law, but still.

[Nicky91]

I hate having to defend Starmer, but he's from the legal profession, not infectious diseases. It's the government that ignored the science, allowed advisors to do what they want, and then blamed young people.

His job as opposition to leader is to hold the government to account, although it's a shame he's only doing it on this and not the removal of transparency and the tory willingness to break the law, but still.

our labour party over here does not attack our government, instead they are fighting for the people, more specific care workers that they get paid extra what they have full rights of, also doing interviews with other hardworking people who got to work extra shifts due to some vulnerable people rather want to stay home (which is what they are allowed to since this virus can kill them)

our Labour also has dropped massively, but now they are fighting their way up again, and i'd say great timing too before next years elections

[The Slim Reaper]

our labour party over here does not attack our government, instead they are fighting for the people, more specific care workers that they get paid extra what they have full rights of, also doing interviews with other hardworking people who got to work extra shifts due to some vulnerable people rather want to stay home (which is what they are allowed to since this virus can kill them)

our Labour also has dropped massively, but now they are fighting their way up again, and i'd say great timing too before next years elections

You probably have a very different media over there. A party that fights for people rather than pointing out which people it's ok to hate, won't do very well over here.

[bots]

I hate having to defend Starmer, but he's from the legal profession, not infectious diseases. It's the government that ignored the science, allowed advisors to do what they want, and then blamed young people.

His job as opposition to leader is to hold the government to account, although it's a shame he's only doing it on this and not the removal of transparency and the tory willingness to break the law, but still.

it's funny you should say that, on the news this morning they were saying that the government were listening to the scientists and not industry.

I don't think the government have done a good job, but i don't think they can win whatever line they take

[The Slim Reaper]

it's funny you should say that, on the news this morning they were saying that the government were listening to the scientists and not industry.

I don't think the government have done a good job, but i don't think they can win whatever line they take

Well we know for a fact that masks were recommended back in may, we know for a fact boris ignored the initial science as he gave a speech in february saying we would be staying open throughout, we know for a fact he was telling everyone he was shaking hands, and loads of other facts I could list with time and the inclination.

Doesn't really matter what the news says when we've all been alive through it.

[arista]

His 9AM speech was OK
but told me nothing new


One problem Sir Kier
has, like Corbyn
he hates conflicts.

[arista]

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[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/B6DD/production/_114631864_theobservr.jpg

[arista]

[Keir Starmer: Boris Johnson has
‘lost control’ of Covid-19 pandemic

[Labour leader blasts government for its lack
of leadership and U-turns,
as he outlines his own five-point plan to fight the virus


Johnson has “lost control” of the fight against
Covid-19 and has no clear strategy
for defeating the virus,
the Labour leader, Keir Starmer, says today
in his most savage attack yet on the government’s
handling of the pandemic.
As the number of confirmed cases rose
alarmingly yesterday,
Starmer accused the prime minister
of “serial incompetence”,
saying the British people have been let down
and left angry and confused by policies that
change almost every week.]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/03/keir-starmer-boris-johnson-has-lost-control-of-covid-19-pandemic


Look Keir
you have 4 years for a General Election
You appear to be getting nasty?

[Oliver_W]

Look Keir
you have 4 years for a General Election
You appear to be getting nasty?
What do you think the Opposition are meant to do?

[arista]

What do you think the Opposition are meant to do?


Make better sense.


I am not confused
I follow Rules

[joeysteele]

Has lost control of the virus.

He lost that a while back.

I think Starmer makes measured criticism and any attacks have been justified.
I'd like him to go further.

I for sure would, with all I'd like to fire at Johnson and Hancock, nasty it would be and I wouldn't give a damn about doing so either.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Unite Union
to pull out of Labour.

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Not really.
Just cut funding by 10%
Fair enough, they'll get nothing from this Con government, now or in the future either.

The funding could be cut more, that's the union's choice and right.
If it's the union members choice that is.
I believe in responsible unions.
Not ones that want to dictate however.

Starmer needs to appeal to wider than the union membership to have success in elections.
I don't think this petty whining from Mr McCluskey will do Starmer any major harm.

[arista]

https://labourlist.org/2020/10/starmer-set-to-hold-first-live-tv-press-conference-as-labour-leader-today/

Keir is Live at 5PM
SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD


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[arista]

LIVE NOW



Also Live on
Radio5
Times Radio DAB
LBC Radio

[arista]

He just said there no more time
to give Government.


He wants a 2-3 Week Circuit Breaker Lockdown
like SAGE asked for

[arista]

5:09PM

[Starmer calls for 2-3 week circuit break lockdown,
in line with SAGE recommendation
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has warned
the government "has lost control of infections
and is no longer following scientific advice".
"There's no longer time to give this prime minister
the benefit of the doubt,"
Sir Keir said in a televised news conference.

He said the short lockdown should
include a "temporary set of clear and
effective restrictions designed to get the R rate down".

Schools would remain open, Mr Starmer says.]

[bots]

how can schools remain open in a circuit breaker, he is a fool

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

It would seem the scientific advice can accommodate that.

He hasn't the full data however to really dictate a policy on it.
All the information is needed such as the government has.

However so do the scientific advisors have the full information, they wanted the circuit breaker plan.
So I'd give it proper consideration and all round the UK consultation.

Lib Dems seem to want it too actually.

[joeysteele]

how can schools remain open in a circuit breaker, he is a fool

He wants it over a 2 week or so half term.
So the schools would be off.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Shadow Schools Minister Resigns


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Always the right that cries about freedom, as they do their best to take it away.

[bots]

we are at a very vulnerable point in losing many of our rights

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkYrKNPWkAAd5GV?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

NewsnightHD bbc2
did a long report, the Labour folks who do not like Keir.
Keir saying Corbynism must be gone and behind them?

One Union Official
said Peter Mandelson should go away and count his Gold?

After the Report the Union said he had nothing to
do with him being Jewish?

[arista]

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[bots]

So all we get from that is that Abbott doesn't like him, which is a big plus in my book

[arista]

So all we get from that is that Abbott doesn't like him, which is a big plus in my book


Lots of others on that report

[Cherie]

I blame his mother for calling him Kier :laugh:

[bots]

Lots of others on that report

all i can say is that anyone that becomes leader of a party or indeed becomes an mp of any political party has ambition ... so to hold that against him is the height of hypocrisy

[arista]

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[Cherie]

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Umm Len, Corbyn never came right out what his stance was on Brexit, we all know he was a Brexiteer but didn't have the balls to come out and say so, he might have done better coming down on one side or the other, not trying to tread both sides of the line

[joeysteele]

I cannot really see any difficulties with Len McCluskey or even moreso criticism from Diane Abbott, doing anything other than actually being a positive for Keir Starmer.

[arista]

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[Ammi]

...’a minor injury to the cyclist’s arm..’...I’m glad that everyone’s okay in terms of serious injuries...

[Oliver_W]

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Did he think it was Corbyn? :hehe:

[joeysteele]

Really good no serious injuries.

[Cherie]

Did he think it was Corbyn? :hehe:

no Bojo :hehe:

[Oliver_W]

no Bojo :hehe:

Haha oh yeah I forgot BoJo was a cyclist before becoming PM. Though the way Sir Kier uses his knight-powers to skewer the beast at PMQs means he doesn't have to resort to vehicular attacks!

[arista]

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[Cherie]

it's been reported he was on his way for a private meeting with his Tailor, is it any wonder I am politically homeless :laugh:

[joeysteele]

A bit of a non story from the Sun again.
Not surprising it would overdo the facts.

Although, It's not a good look to hit a cyclist in any circumstances.
Very fortunate that nothing serious has been the result.

However, Starmer apparently stayed at the scene until an ambulance arrived.
Then he himself reported the collision to the police himself after that.
The driver, according to the police, was not arrested or interviewed under caution either.

He just needs to ensure vehicles he is in are driven more carefully and look out for cyclists too.

While cyclists annoy me when they charge past you on pavements, I've witnessed the shocking language and abuse they can get from drivers when on the roads.

[Oliver_W]

it's been reported he was on his way for a private meeting with his Tailor, is it any wonder I am politically homeless :laugh:

Eehhhhh ... While it's certainly been a while since Labour has had much in the way of working class representation up front, I'm not gonna judge a prominent politician for wanting to look nice.

[joeysteele]

Eehhhhh ... While it's certainly been a while since Labour has had much in the way of working class representation up front, I'm not gonna judge a prominent politician for wanting to look nice.

Indeed, it's not a stick I'd use to get at someone.
In public office, it's expected to have shall we say a better look as to clothes.

Not long ago, a Labour female MP rushed to the despatch box to speak before going out to a function, had a dress that was not considered appropriate for the Commons.
She was vilified for it.

Michael Foot was once ridiculed and attacked for wearing what was seen as a donkey jacket.

Con, MPs and even then PM Cameron in 2015/16, in parliament mocked and attacked Corbyn for his not being dressed appropriately and better, even telling him to get a tie on.

Odd how all that is fine.
However someone going to a personal tailor, (is that much different from someone having their own hair stylist?.).
As a reason to be negative to said politician and/ or Party.
I don't.
Well, I leave others to think what they will on that however.

Actually however, this kind of rigid starchiness of dress expected in the Commons, is something that I think needs just relaxing a bit.
As you say they sadly need to look well dressed.

Or you get the responses of 3 I've listed above from the Cons to Labour politicians and leaders.
Which somehow doesn't get the same comments.
As if the Cons don't go to personal tailors either.

Like the Sun, with this collision.
Jump in, here's a stick to beat the Labour leader with.

I'd prefer to attack views and policies rather than how dressed up politicians are, when they have to be as near perfectly dressed formally for their work in the Commons.

[Cherie]

we are in a pandemic, where unnecessary contact is meant to be limited, going to a hairdresser is necessary, I am sure he has plenty suits/shirts he could get dry cleaned and reuse

[arista]

[Ch4HDnews
has a report today from the North England
They have done a poll, and now Labour are above
the Conservative in that zone]

[joeysteele]

[Ch4HDnews
has a report today from the North England
They have done a poll, and now Labour are above
the Conservative in that zone]


Polls are meaningless at this time, I think bots said that before too.

However, I do believe a good percentage of votes were given to the Cons, for the sole purpose of ending the current brexit argument and seeing through the leaving of the EU.

It will depend where all is in around 3+ years time really to start to determine how many votes may return to Labour or just be taken back from the Cons with those supporting brexit now not bothering to vote.

All polling at present predicts a likely hung parliament again.
In an election tomorrow.

However years to go anything can yet happen.
The only thing I may feel a bit more confident of right now, would be that the Cons in 2024 could only at best hope for a more like single figure majority or at worst for them, ( although I'd be delighted), well short of an overall majority again.

Then again, I'm not sure Johnson will be leader then.
He won't want to be seen to do worse next time than he did in 2019.

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Strong rumours he's resigning tomorrow.

[arista]

Strong rumours he's resigning tomorrow.


rubbish

[The Slim Reaper]

rubbish

It's not. He's lost the unions, and is losing members by the day.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqvY5h0XUAAOhz8?format=jpg&name=large

[The Slim Reaper]

The farce of supporting the tories over teaching unions could be the final nail. Not certain, but a real possibility.

[arista]

You can say sorry on Monday.

[The Slim Reaper]

You can say sorry on Monday.

I don't think he will, but I can hope.

[arista]

Problems with one Union
does not mean he will go.

[arista]

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer

[arista]

Slim is your Tweet FAKE?

https://twitter.com/Peston

[arista]

Slim

https://twitter.com/AristotleSR/status/1345407398689861634


You Plank

[Samm]

i'll vote for him in anyway if he's against the tories but can't help but think angela or andy burnham would be much stronger leaders for the opposition.

[The Slim Reaper]

Slim

https://twitter.com/AristotleSR/status/1345407398689861634


You Plank

You're right about me being a plank, but it's a serious rumour. Happening tomorrow if it's real. I don't think he will resign.

[arista]

You're right about me being a plank, but it's a serious rumour. Happening tomorrow if it's real. I don't think he will resign.



https://twitter.com/search?q=%23StarmerQuits&src=trend_click&vertical=trends


Bunch of Parody
jokers

Bugger off Slim
wasting our time

[arista]

i'll vote for him in anyway if he's against the tories but can't help but think angela or andy burnham would be much stronger leaders for the opposition.


Valid Point

[The Slim Reaper]

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23StarmerQuits&src=trend_click&vertical=trends


Bunch of Parody
jokers

Bugger off Slim
wasting our time

You're absolutely mental :laugh: I posted about a rumour, which it still is.

[arista]

You're absolutely mental :laugh: I posted about a rumour, which it still is.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqvizdCXMAEyhnH?format=jpg&name=medium



You SLIM Posted a FAKE Tweet
from another Plank
https://twitter.com/AristotleSR

PISS OFF

[Ammi]

...maybe those fake rumours will be good for the Labour Party and make Starmer think and show a little oooomph and passion...all false information might be false information but not all false information is bad, some can lead to needed change and good things...


While the rumours are false, the speed at which they spread does appear to show some appetite for more change in the Labour party. With the government's handling of the coronavirus so indefensibly bad in every respect, it is understandable that people who have felt neglected by Labour are crying out for a firmer stance in from the opposition.

Will these rumours jolt Starmer into action?

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[joeysteele]

i'll vote for him in anyway if he's against the tories but can't help but think angela or andy burnham would be much stronger leaders for the opposition.

Andy Burnham was my choice all the times he stood.
I've strong admiration for Andy Burnham.

I think he'd have done much better in the election of 2015 too.

[bots]

the problem that labour have is that Corbyn failed so badly at the last election they are weak and ineffective. Their only effective purpose is when they support the government. Keir can say all the right things now (although i don't think he has) but its all completely meaningless. They have no teeth unless they are on the governments pigtails. Nobody is or will take them seriously until the next election

[The Slim Reaper]

Yeah, tories pretending not to be tories aren't the best judges of what the labour party needs to do. The idea that losing an election means that you can't have any policies other than rubber stamping the governments agenda, is absolutely ridiculous.

[bots]

extreme left wingers pretending to be representative of the labour party is ridiculous

[The Slim Reaper]

I've never pretended to be labour or a labour representative. I understand when you spend your life supporting tories and tory policies, that equality, fair tax, ending poverty etc, all seems like extremism, whereas the tory government working from the 1970's NF manifesto combined with the 2010 UKIP manifesto are mainstream conservatives.

[Kizzy]

I've never pretended to be labour or a labour representative. I understand when you spend your life supporting tories and tory policies, that equality, fair tax, ending poverty etc, all seems like extremism, whereas the tory government working from the 1970's NF manifesto combined with the 2010 UKIP manifesto are mainstream conservatives.

:clap1: :clap1:

[Kizzy]

extreme left wingers pretending to be representative of the labour party is ridiculous

Give an example of a proposal/policy/manifesto pledge that you considered ' extreme left'.

[rusticgal]

Keir seems a nice bloke...but he isnt a leader. He has no passion...all he seems to do is predictably moan about everything Boris does...but doesnt seem to have any ideas of his own.

[arista]

Keir seems a nice bloke...but he isnt a leader. He has no passion...all he seems to do is predictably moan about everything Boris does...but doesnt seem to have any ideas of his own.



He does have Passion
but never mess his Hair up

[arista]

Labour leader challenges PM


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-live-news-latest-uk-updates-millions-told-to-stay-at-home-once-again-as-lockdowns-begin-in-england-and-scotland-12178867

[Kate!]

Like Joey and Samm I've a strong affinity for Andy Burnham. He'd make an excellent Labour leader/Prime Minister.

[Oliver_W]

Keir seems a nice bloke...but he isnt a leader. He has no passion...all he seems to do is predictably moan about everything Boris does...but doesnt seem to have any ideas of his own.

Passion isn't necessarily a requirement - Sir Keir regularly dismantles BoJo at PMQs without breaking sweat, nothing wrong with a clinic approach. Corbyn could have been called passionate I guess, but his PMQs performances were just an old man yelling at clouds. Sir Keir's clinical approach makes BoJo's empty bluster really stand out for what they are.

[joeysteele]

He does have Passion
but never mess his Hair up

Looking at Johnson on TV now it looks like someone's messed his hair up even more than usual.
What a sight honestly for a PM.

I agree Starmer has controlled passion.
Passion doesn't have to be shouting your head off.

By his tone he shows the passion he has on issues dear to him.

[arista]

Starmer is Live (both news channels)

Talking about a Fairer Britain?

4 years time fella.

[arista]

"Held Back,"
he states, but the whole bloody world
is Held Back - Covid-19.

Tell us something New...................




He is taking Media Questions.

[Oliver_W]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqvizdCXMAEyhnH?format=jpg&name=medium



You SLIM Posted a FAKE Tweet
from another Plank
https://twitter.com/AristotleSR

PISS OFF

That's ridiculous , Sir Keir isn't a Blairite. Policy wise he's pretty similar to Corbyn.

[arista]

That's ridiculous , Sir Keir isn't a Blairite. Policy wise he's pretty similar to Corbyn.



Yes that Poster is the Plank
that Slim Follows.





Slim posted Fake News about Starmer standing down
an Utter Plank.

[bots]

So far, I don't mind Keir too much and thats quite a compliment compared to our current cabinet. Blair was on another level, he made me squirm every time I saw him