[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

Do I seem submissive to you?

Really Alex, this is a thread about a moron who beat his child till he was bloody. It's got bugger-all to do with me or with religion. There's only one person to blame and that's the idiot who obviously doesn't know right from wrong.

well i certainly agree with that point, that individuals should be held accountable for their own behavior. you won't hear me disagree with that point.

I was also talking about the larger issue of corporal punishment though, because others brought it up. that's how conversations work Livia, sometimes individual cases lead to larger philosophical issues. I thought we were talking in a more conversational tone, not just specifically about this one guy.