[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I know imagine it seriously, imagine actually thinking your child had been kidnapped and doing that, makes zero sense at all unless you knew she wasn't kidnapped.....

Also what parent would even think about "marketing ploys" when their baby had just disappeared?

Imagine your child had been kidnapped and you didn't physically search yourself, imagine refusing to answer police questions (yes some may be uncomfortable, BUT...parents/family are always first suspects because...statistics) surely you would help any way you could and would want your name cleared.... Imagine your friends kid had gone missing and you refused to do a reconstruction to help police get a better view of the situation. Imagine your child had gone missing and from the start you mislead police by stating the doors were locked and they must have came in through the window, but then its proven you cannot get in via the window without damage, so your own story then changes to 'we left the door open'. Imagine your child has just gone missing and you are planning parties for the year anniversary instead of hoping she would be found any minute. Imagine rubbishing all 'sightings' and complaining that the police were driving too fast to check one out..Infact, I fall at the first hurdle, as I cannot even begin to imagine going on holiday with the kids, dumping them in the creche from morning til night, then leaving them ALONE in a room in a strange place just so I could go out with friends

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Imagine your child had been kidnapped and you didn't physically search yourself, imagine refusing to answer police questions (yes some may be uncomfortable, BUT...parents/family are always first suspects because...statistics) surely you would help any way you could and would want your name cleared.... Imagine your friends kid had gone missing and you refused to do a reconstruction to help police get a better view of the situation. Imagine your child had gone missing and from the start you mislead police by stating the doors were locked and they must have came in through the window, but then its proven you cannot get in via the window without damage, so your own story then changes to 'we left the door open'. Imagine your child has just gone missing and you are planning parties for the year anniversary instead of hoping she would be found any minute. Imagine rubbishing all 'sightings' and complaining that the police were driving too fast to check one out..Infact, I fall at the first hurdle, as I cannot even begin to imagine going on holiday with the kids, dumping them in the creche from morning til night, then leaving them ALONE in a room in a strange place just so I could go out with friends

yep I know it's just crazy, any one of those things you listed would make me suspicious but all of them is just ridiculous.

And I totally agree about the dumping them in the creche all day, why even bother bringing them if they want to spend no time at all with them, usually those type of holidays are all about the kids. I don't know it's just weird, even after ditching them for the whole day that still wasn't enough, they had to dump them at night too

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

yep I know it's just crazy, any one of those things you listed would make me suspicious but all of them is just ridiculous.

And I totally agree about the dumping them in the creche all day, why even bother bringing them if they want to spend no time at all with them, usually those type of holidays are all about the kids. I don't know it's just weird, even after ditching them for the whole day that still wasn't enough, they had to dump them at night too

Indeed. I mean, me and Gav are going away next month. Very much an adult holiday, I plan to relax, eat and drink far too much and forget about everything. So...the kids are staying at grandads for that week. They will love it, they always do. Why would I even consider taking them just to dump on other people and ignore them. Its just stupid.

If the kids didn't like staying with grandad, or grandad couldn't have them...we would have had a different kind of holiday. A FAMILY one where focus is on the kids.

Simple..right?!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Indeed. I mean, me and Gav are going away next month. Very much an adult holiday, I plan to relax, eat and drink far too much and forget about everything. So...the kids are staying at grandads for that week. They will love it, they always do. Why would I even consider taking them just to dump on other people and ignore them. Its just stupid.

If the kids didn't like staying with grandad, or grandad couldn't have them...we would have had a different kind of holiday. A FAMILY one where focus is on the kids.

Simple..right?!

Exactly, especially with very young kids like yours (which are probably close to the ages that Maddie and the twins would have been back then, right?) I would not feel comfortable dropping them off with total strangers either. Jeez Luke cried every single day when i dropped him to nursery school when he was 3, it broke my heart leaving him there

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Exactly, especially with very young kids like yours (which are probably close to the ages that Maddie and the twins would have been back then, right?) I would not feel comfortable dropping them off with total strangers either. Jeez Luke cried every single day when i dropped him to nursery school when he was 3, it broke my heart leaving him there

Skyes actually older than Madeleine was. God thats mental. James is the age the twins were..so yeah.

When we went to centre parcs, we did put them in the creche for 2 hours. Mainly as Skye kept asking to go in (there was a door that looked like a tree...this seemed to be the reason) so I can't criticize putting them in there on the odd occasion. But to put them in the morning til night every day?! Nah. Even if they asked to be in there all that time I would still say no. Its meant to be a family holiday.

And yes, Skye cried her eyes out first day at nursery. Staff told me to just go as a lot of kids are like that. I can still hear the piercing screams to this day She loves it now, she loved it 10 mins after I left...but it went against every instinct I had to just leave her there in that state.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Skyes actually older than Madeleine was. God thats mental. James is the age the twins were..so yeah.

When we went to centre parcs, we did put them in the creche for 2 hours. Mainly as Skye kept asking to go in (there was a door that looked like a tree...this seemed to be the reason) so I can't criticize putting them in there on the odd occasion. But to put them in the morning til night every day?! Nah. Even if they asked to be in there all that time I would still say no. Its meant to be a family holiday.

And yes, Skye cried her eyes out first day at nursery. Staff told me to just go as a lot of kids are like that. I can still hear the piercing screams to this day She loves it now, she loved it 10 mins after I left...but it went against every instinct I had to just leave her there in that state.

Luke never got used to it the only day he didn't cry when I left him was the very last day...because it was the last day.

[Suze]

Something that puzzles me that if say we take it that it was a kidnapping, then why take the biggest and possibly noisiest of the three children and hardest one to get through a small window or anything else they claimed happened with the kidnapping scenerio