General Election on Thursday Dec 12th : Conservative Win

[Crimson Dynamo]

Absolutely.

I just wish you gave us your other views sometimes, the ones you follow in the ballot box, not just tories.
You are a capable poster so have every confidence you can do it :)

and i have done but i am afraid you took an extended break from the site so it would be impossible for you to comment :shrug:

[Twosugars]

and i have done but i am afraid you took an extended break from the site so it would be impossible for you to comment :shrug:

I didnt see although I read you avidly.

Tell me how come you support brexit here and end up voting for a party that opposes brexit and would rejoin the EU after gaining independence? :flutter:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I didnt see although I read you avidly.

Tell me how come you support brexit here and end up voting for a party that opposes brexit and would rejoin the EU after gaining independence? :flutter:

No as that would be derailing the thread and i have had an infraction about that before from the mods, please stick to the thread content

[Twosugars]

No as that would be derailing the thread and i have had an infraction about that before from the mods, please stick to the thread content

Feel free to answer via pm. :)

[Cherie]

I said it as a general observation and a friendly one.

Unlike Jeremy I've already had my period of reflection and intend to be less confrontational myself :angel:

Well that didn't last long

[arista]

I removed any comments accusing others of trolling.

I am Scottish.


Yes a trouble Time
Up there
but our PM will not allow
IndyRef 2.

So you are Stuck with us......................

[arista]

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[People scuffle with police during an
anti-Boris Johnson demonstration
in London tonight.
A heavy police presence was seen
close to the Cenotaph in Whitehall,
which was cordoned off
as clashes broke out]

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Yes Madame
your parents can see your Face.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/12/13/23/22222410-7790371-image-a-113_1576280124224.jpg
Yes Film it all you Sad Sod.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/12/13/23/22222402-7790371-image-a-116_1576280141030.jpg
Some Extreme Far Right arrive.....................

[arista]

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No you will find that in Russia...............

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Twosugars]

Good old London

[Toy Soldier]

"Boring Dystopia" is such a fitting description of modern Britain :joker:.

[Tom4784]

The only good thing to come out of all of this is the thought that I'm gonna be telling Tory voters 'I told you so' so much over these next few years.

It's going to be fun to watch these people suffer for their mistakes and remind them that they only have themselves to blame, after all, they have no minor or hung governments to blame. They got what they wanted, a Tory majority, and they will get everything they deserve for it.

[arista]

The only good thing to come out of all of this is the thought that I'm gonna be telling Tory voters 'I told you so' so much over these next few years.

It's going to be fun to watch these people suffer for their mistakes and remind them that they only have themselves to blame, after all, they have no minor or hung governments to blame. They got what they wanted, a Tory majority, and they will get everything they deserve for it.


Sure Dezzy
But many are already suffering
hence why the voted for the Devil they know.

[Nicky91]

good and lovely words from Boris :clap2:


and agreed ''let the healing begin'' and ''more unity''


also nice he isn't going to ignore the people who were anti-brexit :love:

[arista]

good and lovely words from Boris :clap2:


and agreed ''let the healing begin'' and ''more unity''


also nice he isn't going to ignore the people who were anti-brexit :love:


Yes he is trying hard
Monday New Parliament
less Labour MP's
but Corbyn hanging around until the spring
is Unwise

[arista]

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[Toy Soldier]

He is indeed dreaming.

[Oliver_W]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/12/13/20/22216652-7790371-image-a-81_1576269442437.jpg
[People scuffle with police during an
anti-Boris Johnson demonstration
in London tonight.
A heavy police presence was seen
close to the Cenotaph in Whitehall,
which was cordoned off
as clashes broke out]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/12/13/20/22216954-7790371-image-a-82_1576270031040.jpg
Yes Madame
your parents can see your Face.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/12/13/23/22222410-7790371-image-a-113_1576280124224.jpg
Yes Film it all you Sad Sod.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/12/13/23/22222402-7790371-image-a-116_1576280141030.jpg
Some Extreme Far Right arrive.....................

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/12/13/18/22211962-7790371-image-a-21_1576262023780.jpg
No you will find that in Russia...............
Rioting, destroying people's property, and assaulting public servants because they didn't get their own way?

Sounds about right.

[Kazanne]

Oh blimey,what a depressing place this has become, he has been voted in,all this doom and gloom wont change a thing and who knows he may make a very good PM now he has control, people aren't even giving him a chance, the protests are ridiculous are they from the kids who were never told no ? you cant always have what you want ? All I see on here lately is moan , moan , moan, cheer up and stop being so pessimistic , it could all turn out really good and if not he will be out next time we vote ,why worry about things that haven't even happened ? None of them will ever please everyone.

[Kazanne]

Rioting, destroying people's property, and assaulting public servants because they didn't get their own way?

Sounds about right.

Exactly,what a mob,boo,hoo !!

[Liam-]

Oh blimey,what a depressing place this has become, he has been voted in,all this doom and gloom wont change a thing and who knows he may make a very good PM now he has control, people aren't even giving him a chance, the protests are ridiculous are they from the kids who were never told no ? you cant always have what you want ? All I see on here lately is moan , moan , moan, cheer up and stop being so pessimistic , it could all turn out really good and if not he will be out next time we vote ,why worry about things that haven't even happened ? None of them will ever please everyone.

Why worry about things that haven’t happened? You’re joking right? People have the right to be worried about what will happen to them under an increasingly right wing government with a history of cruelty towards minorities and the disadvantaged, you might be kushty, but jfc, people are genuinely scared about what might happen, you have no right to tell those people to ‘stop being so pessimistic’ people are pessimistic because if they follow form from the past 9 years of hell, then a lot of people won’t survive it, sorry if that is too real and ‘moany’ for you.

[Liam-]

1205352022863691776

Lord have mercy, surely there are easier, gentler on the soul, ways to make money

[GoldHeart]

Oh blimey,what a depressing place this has become, he has been voted in,all this doom and gloom wont change a thing and who knows he may make a very good PM now he has control, people aren't even giving him a chance, the protests are ridiculous are they from the kids who were never told no ? you cant always have what you want ? All I see on here lately is moan , moan , moan, cheer up and stop being so pessimistic , it could all turn out really good and if not he will be out next time we vote ,why worry about things that haven't even happened ? None of them will ever please everyone.

Kaz , people are already suffering do you watch the news and see all the cut backs and homeless people and endless food banks . And the NHS is holding on by s thread , people not getting appointments you name it .

[Toy Soldier]

Oh blimey,what a depressing place this has become, he has been voted in,all this doom and gloom wont change a thing and who knows he may make a very good PM now he has control, people aren't even giving him a chance, the protests are ridiculous are they from the kids who were never told no ? you cant always have what you want ? All I see on here lately is moan , moan , moan, cheer up and stop being so pessimistic , it could all turn out really good and if not he will be out next time we vote ,why worry about things that haven't even happened ? None of them will ever please everyone.

You're clearly speaking from a position of privilege where a hard right neoliberal Tory government making sweeping cuts to welfare and public services means "at worst we might have to tighten our belts a bit". Consider yourself very, very lucky that you DON'T have to worry about this. I count my lucky stars that this is happening NOW because at this point I have a household income that for the most part does mean that we can tighten belts and get by OK - if this was happening a couple of years ago it would have been another STORY. However, I have a daughter with a lifelong disability and the likelihood of a hard majority Tory government making cuts that affect her education, and her care and available services in the future is not a pleasant prospect.

Believing that a government like this "could all turn out really good" for the average working or middle class citizen is quite frankly believing in faeries, and the sort of pure fantasy that has lead people to vote us into this mess.

[Ammi]

...a Christmas picture that paints 1000 words...or just a few words of the imbalance in this country that we’ve all been becoming more and more aware of....


https://media-mbst-pub-ue1.s3.amazonaws.com/creatr-uploaded-images/2019-11/05773ef0-12ab-11ea-bded-af209b6d16ec

[Ammi]

...I don’t apologise for stretching the thread page...there are a lot of homeless people in that image...

[GoldHeart]

You're clearly speaking from a position of privilege where a hard right neoliberal Tory government making sweeping cuts to welfare and public services means "at worst we might have to tighten our belts a bit". Consider yourself very, very lucky that you DON'T have to worry about this. I count my lucky stars that this is happening NOW because at this point I have a household income that for the most part does mean that we can tighten belts and get by OK - if this was happening a couple of years ago it would have been another STORY. However, I have a daughter with a lifelong disability and the likelihood of a hard majority Tory government making cuts that affect her education, and her care and available services in the future is not a pleasant prospect.

Believing that a government like this "could all turn out really good" for the average working or middle class citizen is quite frankly believing in faeries, and the sort of pure fantasy that has lead people to vote us into this mess.

It's like the Thatcher mindset, when the rich didn't give a damn about the poor or working class. The attitude was"ohhh it will be okay" :facepalm: .

There's towns to this day still shaken and affected by Thatcher's government,and we go backwards yet again to that :bored: .

I'd say a few of us are lucky if we have a roof over our heads and some kind of secure lifestyle. But many have it alot worse .

Even with the recent flooding that's been happening just to name as an example, they got very little help except from members of the community.

[Crimson Dynamo]

im pretty sure homeless people have always existed

and that we have many many homeless charities and services?

especially in London

and the last time i watched a 3 month long documentary about the homeless in our main cities virtually none were genuine

[Liam-]

...a Christmas picture that paints 1000 words...or just a few words of the imbalance in this country that we’ve all been becoming more and more aware of....


https://media-mbst-pub-ue1.s3.amazonaws.com/creatr-uploaded-images/2019-11/05773ef0-12ab-11ea-bded-af209b6d16ec

We should be ashamed as a country that this is happening, how many people have to freeze to death before people wake up and stop being so utterly selfish

[Crimson Dynamo]

We should be ashamed as a country that this is happening, how many people have to freeze to death before people wake up and stop being so utterly selfish

do you know a country that does not have a tiny proportion of its population homeless?

[GoldHeart]

do you know a country that does not have a tiny proportion of its population homeless?

This ISN'T a tiny proportion though :facepalm:

[Oliver_W]

This ISN'T a tiny proportion though :facepalm:

The homeless proportion in the UK is approx 1/200, or 0.5%.

That's still too high, but pretty damn tiny.

[Toy Soldier]

The homeless proportion in the UK is approx 1/200, or 0.5%.



That's still too high, but pretty damn tiny.It's 5 homeless people for every small village with a population of 1000. That's not tiny at all, it's insane.

And also; it doesnt even work that way, there are rarely many (or any) in smaller places, they're clustered in cities which makes the scale even worse in those areas.

[Twosugars]

im pretty sure homeless people have always existed

and that we have many many homeless charities and services?

especially in London

and the last time i watched a 3 month long documentary about the homeless in our main cities virtually none were genuine

When mayor bojo promised to eradicate homelessness in London
In fact it doubled by the time his 2nd term ended

[Livia]

im pretty sure homeless people have always existed

and that we have many many homeless charities and services?

especially in London

and the last time i watched a 3 month long documentary about the homeless in our main cities virtually none were genuine

Homelessness shames our country. But it's not like it's only under the Conservatives that we have homeless people. And the fact that many of those homeless people are ex-forces who have been cast onto the scrapheap shames us more. Many of those ex-servicemen and women went to war under Blair... but that's another thread.

I'm looking forward to a time when the hysteria subsides a little and people give this government a chance to ******* up, before they condemn them.

And before I have to explain myself, again... I support both Crisis and the Salvation Army. And while I believe it should be the government's responsibility to end homelessness, until that happens I'm willing to put my hand in my pocket rather than simply complain about how terrible it all is.

[arista]

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Get away from Politics Actor Hugh
you are Poison

[Cherie]

Why worry about things that haven’t happened? You’re joking right? People have the right to be worried about what will happen to them under an increasingly right wing government with a history of cruelty towards minorities and the disadvantaged, you might be kushty, but jfc, people are genuinely scared about what might happen, you have no right to tell those people to ‘stop being so pessimistic’ people are pessimistic because if they follow form from the past 9 years of hell, then a lot of people won’t survive it, sorry if that is too real and ‘moany’ for you.

tbf they would be right to be worried if Johnson wasn't making all the right noises so far, Labour City London voted him Mayor twice because of his liberal and international stance, so maybe lets give him some time before making the judgement call

[Cherie]

The only good thing to come out of all of this is the thought that I'm gonna be telling Tory voters 'I told you so' so much over these next few years.

It's going to be fun to watch these people suffer for their mistakes and remind them that they only have themselves to blame, after all, they have no minor or hung governments to blame. They got what they wanted, a Tory majority, and they will get everything they deserve for it.

Yes stick it to the Labour voters who deserted the party in their droves and for some reason couldn't find anyone on the ballot paper other than Tory to vote for

[Oliver_W]

It's 5 homeless people for every small village with a population of 1000. That's not tiny at all, it's insane.

And also; it doesnt even work that way, there are rarely many (or any) in smaller places, they're clustered in cities which makes the scale even worse in those areas.

5/1000 is the same proportion as as 1/200...

I guess the "small village" thing is used as an illustrative example to make it more shocking, because as you seem to have realised... They're mostlt in cities, not villages.

[arista]

We should be ashamed as a country that this is happening, how many people have to freeze to death before people wake up and stop being so utterly selfish


Look Liam
they are out of the Rain
under that Store Front,


We had Homeless under Blair's New Labour
it a Worldwide problem
Terrible in San Francisco

[Toy Soldier]

I just can't fathom how far in denial someone has to be to try to insist that a decade of Tories hasn't made things substantially worse for the homeless, unemployed, disabled and working poor in the UK.

Blaming the "prrrevious Labour governmentttt" worked OK for the first couple of years but its surely going to be a hard sell now!

"Why are things so bad in 2021 Boris?"
"Cos of Labour in 2008"

:umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I just can't fathom how far in denial someone has to be to try to insist that a decade of Tories hasn't made things substantially worse for the homeless, unemployed, disabled and working poor in the UK.

Blaming the "prrrevious Labour governmentttt" worked OK for the first couple of years but its surely going to be a hard sell now!

"Why are things so bad in 2021 Boris?"
"Cos of Labour in 2008"

:umm2:
Unemployment is at record lows

[Toy Soldier]

5/1000 is the same proportion as as 1/200...



I guess the "small village" thing is used as an illustrative example to make it more shocking, because as you seem to have realised... They're mostlt in cities, not villages.Yes that's why I said it - to point out that most people would find a village of 1000 people having 5 people on the streets a pretty shocking statistic. We're just comfortable ignoring it because it's "hidden" in urban areas, not in the doorway of a suburban co-op, so the average Tory voter can pretend the scale is smaller than it is.

[Toy Soldier]

Unemployment is at record lowsMeaningless when a months full time minimum wage barely covers rent and utilities and millions of employed people rely on Universal Credit to buy food and clothes.

[Cherie]

I just can't fathom how far in denial someone has to be to try to insist that a decade of Tories hasn't made things substantially worse for the homeless, unemployed, disabled and working poor in the UK.

Blaming the "prrrevious Labour governmentttt" worked OK for the first couple of years but its surely going to be a hard sell now!

"Why are things so bad in 2021 Boris?"
"Cos of Labour in 2008"

:umm2:

Many of the London homeless/beggars are not from this country, many are old and disabled, they work the junction near where I live, its hard not to be stopped at the lights, and and not give them cash, but a taxi driver told me there are loads on other junctions as well and if he gave to them all he would be begging himself.

There are no UK beggars at all where I live and when I go to London many of those people in tents are not British, same on the tube, the people playing instruments etc are not British. I think many were sold a dream unfortunately, I give food rather than money because I think many are exploited by gangs and sent out to beg, although I was at the junction recently and had no change so gave the guy a fiver, he nearly fell off his stick which he probably doesn't need but I am a sucker at times

[Liam-]

Look Liam
they are out of the Rain
under that Store Front,


We had Homeless under Blair's New Labour
it a Worldwide problem
Terrible in San Francisco

Ah, as long as they’re not wet that’s alright then, they definitely won’t freeze to death now!

Yes we’ve always had homelessness and it’s always been a stain on our country, no matter who is in charge, as long as homelessness is allowed to rise like it has done, every leader who does nothing about t should be ashamed, no matter which party they’re from

[arista]

Ah, as long as they’re not wet that’s alright then, they definitely won’t freeze to death now!

Yes we’ve always had homelessness and it’s always been a stain on our country, no matter who is in charge, as long as homelessness is allowed to rise like it has done, every leader who does nothing about t should be ashamed, no matter which party they’re from


Thats Fair.

It is a tangled group on the streets
they will have a local council case worker
looking into them.

Its a Hard life on the streets
but its all over the World

[Oliver_W]

Yes that's why I said it - to point out that most people would find a village of 1000 people having 5 people on the streets a pretty shocking statistic. We're just comfortable ignoring it because it's "hidden" in urban areas, not in the doorway of a suburban co-op, so the average Tory voter can pretend the scale is smaller than it is.

I'm not saying it's smaller than it is. It's 0.5% and I'd do nothing to act like it's smaller or bigger.

[arista]

The PM is up in Blair's Old Constituency
thanking the local team that got more seats
for the Conservatives.

He seems Very Positive/


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/10BD4/production/_110146586_de27.jpg


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50790445

[Kizzy]

I can't watch anything ... my interest is zero, it's not sour grapes it's fear, I don't want to know what's coming next.

[arista]

I can't watch anything ... my interest is zero, it's not sour grapes it's fear, I don't want to know what's coming next.



Investment
in Railways in the North
is a good way forward,


Give him a chance.

[Cherie]

I can't watch anything ... my interest is zero, it's not sour grapes it's fear, I don't want to know what's coming next.

Jeez, I am watching avidly to see what does come next

[Liam-]

Jeez, I am watching avidly to see what does come next

Same, I’m waiting for the exact moment he ****s up, like when you see someone realise they’re gonna fall and their arms flap, I can’t wait!

[Kazanne]

Same, I’m waiting for the exact moment he ****s up, like when you see someone realise they’re gonna fall and their arms flap, I can’t wait!

What a sad way to be :shrug:

[GoldHeart]

Nothing positive to look forward to :bored:

[Kazanne]

Nothing positive to look forward to :bored:

How do you know ?

[GoldHeart]

How do you know ?

History & repetition

[Crimson Dynamo]

Trends suggest that the number of people reported to be seeking help for homelessness has been reasonably stable in the UK since around 2013.

The reasons cited for loss of previous home are broadly consistent across UK countries and are primarily changing relationships or disputes within households.

Estimates for rough sleeping based on street counts suggest numbers are increasing in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, but estimates based on homelessness applications suggest numbers are decreasing in Scotland. Though the most recent figure for England shows a small decrease from 2017 to 2018


Analysts across the Government Statistical Service (GSS) and Northern Ireland Statistics and Research Agency (NISRA) are working together to improve the coherence and accessibility of all housing and planning statistics, including homelessness.

There is a wide range of improvements and innovations underway and the challenge is to continue acknowledging the devolved nature of the statistics, and corresponding policy frameworks, while improving coherence where possible to provide a UK picture.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/articles/ukhomelessness/2005to2018


so lets not use the homeless as a political football because your team did not win?

[Tom4784]

He speaks of healing and uniting but that means shutting up and bending a knee to the Tories and they can get ****ed. There will be no healing or forgiveness and there will be no silencing of criticism towards Tory MPs and voters.

Tory voters cannot take back what they've done and I will treat every one of them with nothing less than the utter disdain they deserve.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He speaks of healing and uniting but that means shutting up and bending a knee to the Tories and they can get ****ed. There will be no healing or forgiveness and there will be no silencing of criticism towards Tory MPs and voters.

Tory voters cannot take back what they've done and I will treat every one of them with nothing less than the utter disdain they deserve.

And pray tell us how you will know if someone voted Conservative?

[Tom4784]

And pray tell us how you will know if someone voted Conservative?

You voted SNP, don't defend the tories.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You voted SNP, don't defend the tories.

that does not tell me how you are going to treat every Tory voter with disdain if you dont actually know any?

[Oliver_W]

that does not tell me how you are going to treat every Tory voter with disdain if you dont actually know any?

All the gammon boomer snowflakes!!! Google it!!!


Or something.

[Liam-]

What a sad way to be :shrug:

Likewise

[Twosugars]

You voted SNP, don't defend the tories.

:hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Great article by Richard Littlejohn:

They wanted a second People's Vote... and they got the one they deserved

This wasn't just a defiant reaffirmation of the EU referendum result, it was a
damning repudiation of those who have spent the past three and a half years
trying to Stop Brexit.

It also served as a timely reminder that there is life outside the Westminster
bubble, that social media is not the real world.

As late as Thursday lunchtime, political commentators were confidently
predicting a hung parliament on the evidence of a handful of photos on
Twitter showing a few dozen young people queueing at polling stations in
London.

Like children chasing a football round a school playground, they all rushed to
follow the herd.

The Corbynistas were crushed. The self-deluding Remain Alliance, which
thought it could bully the British people into reversing the referendum result,
was routed.

This time it was personal. This time they were on the ballot. They had
everything to lose. And lose they did, on a spectacular scale. They didn't just
lose a referendum, they lost their jobs. They had it coming.


Grieve, Gauke, Soubry Loo and the rest were all sent packing. Not a single
one of the turncoat Tory MPs who rebelled against their own government over
Brexit managed to retain their seats.


Nor did any of those who resigned the Labour whip to join Change UK or the
Lib Dems, Chucky Umunna included. What an ignominious downfall for the
man dubbed (by himself, probably) Britain's Barack Obama.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7790961/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-wanted-Peoples-Vote-got-one.html

[SherzyK]

What a sad way to be :shrug:

How is that sad? :suspect:

[Tom4784]

that does not tell me how you are going to treat every Tory voter with disdain if you dont actually know any?

People have developed a talent over countless generations, it's called speech and from it, a bunch of different languages have blossomed into existence.

I've already turned my back on a number of now former friends who have admitted to voting Tory and I'll gladly cast out anyone else who admits the same. I will not be civil to people who vote against my rights.

[Tom4784]

What a sad way to be :shrug:

What's sad is ignoring the facts and warning signs to vote against your own interests but that hasn't stopped Tory voters from essentially committing political self harm because they're gullible enough to side with a man that's been sacked multiple times for lying.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What's sad is ignoring the facts and warning signs to vote against your own interests but that hasn't stopped Tory voters from essentially committing political self harm because they're gullible enough to side with a man that's been sacked multiple times for lying.

and what about all the labour voters who voted tory?

[Twosugars]

Great article by Richard Littlejohn:

They wanted a second People's Vote... and they got the one they deserved

This wasn't just a defiant reaffirmation of the EU referendum result, it was a
damning repudiation of those who have spent the past three and a half years
trying to Stop Brexit.

It also served as a timely reminder that there is life outside the Westminster
bubble, that social media is not the real world.

As late as Thursday lunchtime, political commentators were confidently
predicting a hung parliament on the evidence of a handful of photos on
Twitter showing a few dozen young people queueing at polling stations in
London.

Like children chasing a football round a school playground, they all rushed to
follow the herd.

The Corbynistas were crushed. The self-deluding Remain Alliance, which
thought it could bully the British people into reversing the referendum result,
was routed.

This time it was personal. This time they were on the ballot. They had
everything to lose. And lose they did, on a spectacular scale. They didn't just
lose a referendum, they lost their jobs. They had it coming.


Grieve, Gauke, Soubry Loo and the rest were all sent packing. Not a single
one of the turncoat Tory MPs who rebelled against their own government over
Brexit managed to retain their seats.


Nor did any of those who resigned the Labour whip to join Change UK or the
Lib Dems, Chucky Umunna included. What an ignominious downfall for the
man dubbed (by himself, probably) Britain's Barack Obama.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7790961/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-wanted-Peoples-Vote-got-one.html

Why you doing this?

You voted for a party that will rejoin the EU :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why you doing this?

You voted for a party that will rejoin the EU :laugh:

Its a great article and you can leave a comment at the end and see how popular your view is by the readers of the website - green of they like it and RED if they dont

[Twosugars]

Little John is a arch arsehole.

Let him stand as an independent and see if he wins in the current system.

[Twosugars]

Its a great article and you can leave a comment at the end and see how popular your view is by the readers of the website - green of they like it and RED if they dont

After you. You go and tell them you voted SNP. Let's see how your green to red ratio among the Daily Hail readers is :hehe:

[SherzyK]

Its a great article and you can leave a comment at the end and see how popular your view is by the readers of the website - green of they like it and RED if they dont

So you’re just doing it for attention?

[Crimson Dynamo]

So you’re just doing it for attention?

No its their comments section - every article has it in that site. Its a bit like the like button many members crave, its a huge and popular part of the DM's massive success

[Tom4784]

and what about all the labour voters who voted tory?

If they voted Tory, they are a Tory. Anyone who had access to all the information at hand and still chose to vote Tory is deserving of everything they're going to get.

The only joy to come out of this will be to rub their faces in the pile of **** they've created. They got what they wanted after all, to them it'll smell like roses. They'll be overjoyed having to pay hundreds of pounds per month for medication they need, they'll be so happy that the Tories have gifted them with less public services, they'll be so happy if they face ruin if they just so happen to lose their jobs because of an increasingly predatory benefits system that will only force them into a spiral of debt. When (or if, considering what will likely happen to the NHS) they are too old to live independently, they can look forward to the joy of living their final days in a state run nursing home with minimal facilities or care. It'll be a pleasure for them, I'm sure.

After all, they're gonna get what they wanted all along right? Such wonderful things are a small price to pay for a quick and disastrous brexit and the empty promise of less immigration.

[Kazanne]

How is that sad? :suspect:

Thinking the worst is going to happen all the time,no one knows yet,he might be a good PM.

[Twosugars]

��️864,743 votes to elect 1 Green MP
��️642,303 votes to elect 0 Brexit Party MPs
��️334,122 votes to elect a Lib Dem
��️50,817 votes for a Labour MP
��️38,316 votes for a Plaid Cymru MP
��️38,300 votes for a Con. MP
��️25,882 votes for a SNP MP


This is how broken the voting system is

[Tom4784]

Thinking the worst is going to happen all the time,no one knows yet,he might be a good PM.

The evidence of his past actions suggest otherwise.

[Twosugars]

Growing calls for electoral reform after vote share per party is revealed

Green MPs elected in yesterday’s general election represented more than 850,000 votes while SNP MPs represented under 26,000, according to figures from the Electoral Reform Society.

More than 330,000 votes were needed to elect a Liberal Democrat, compared to 50,000 for Labour and 38,000 for Plaid Cymru and Conservative candidates.

Meanwhile, the Brexit Party won more than 642,000 votes but failed to get any representatives in the House of Commons.

Overall, the Electoral Reform Society claims that 45.3% of votes did not get any representation, because of the number of voters who didn’t support the winning candidate.


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The figures, which come from analysing the number of votes compared to the number of MPs elected, have led to renewed calls for electoral reform.

Former Green party leader and Brighton Pavilion MP Caroline Lucas used her election victory speech to call for an end to the first past the post voting system, saying she felt “anger that our political system is so badly broken and is still letting down individuals and our country so badly”.

“Our electoral system is rotten to the core,” she said.

Last week, Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage pledged to change the party’s name to the Reform Party after the UK’s departure from the EU, in order to campaign for a proportional voting system.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/dec/12/general-election-2019-uk-live-labour-tories-corbyn-boris-johnson-results-exit-poll

[Tom4784]

Nothing will change, it doesn't benefit the Tory overlords to change the system. We are simply a one party nation now.

[Twosugars]

For once I agree with Farage on this.

[Kazanne]

Kaz , people are already suffering do you watch the news and see all the cut backs and homeless people and endless food banks . And the NHS is holding on by s thread , people not getting appointments you name it .

Of course I watch the news and there have always been homeless people, we do try and help them,foodbanks were set up to help the needy and I got an appointment last week so I don't quite follow that one,the NHS gets vasts amounts of money but is mismanaged a lot and is overused ,I think you know what I mean,its not down to just one body that is responsible ,we ALL have to be.

[SherzyK]

Thinking the worst is going to happen all the time,no one knows yet,he might be a good PM.

It’s hard to be optimistic when we’ve been through nearly a decade of austerity, with no change coming anytime soon. Your only rebuttal for when someone says the government should fund the impoverished, is that they shouldn’t take advantage of system and find a job? It’s really not that easy...

[Twosugars]

��️864,743 votes to elect 1 Green MP
��️642,303 votes to elect 0 Brexit Party MPs
��️334,122 votes to elect a Lib Dem
��️50,817 votes for a Labour MP
��️38,316 votes for a Plaid Cymru MP
��️38,300 votes for a Con. MP
��️25,882 votes for a SNP MP


This is how broken the voting system is

This is the answer to littlejohn as to why the newly independent mps failed to win seats without having an established party machine behind them.

But then he already knows this and just peddles demagougery and lies to Daily Heil readers who swallow them up eagerly

[Twosugars]

Of course I watch the news and there have always been homeless people, we do try and help them,foodbanks were set up to help the needy and I got an appointment last week so I don't quite follow that one,the NHS gets vasts amounts of money but is mismanaged a lot and is overused ,I think you know what I mean,its not down to just one body that is responsible ,we ALL have to be.

Still waiting for your answer to this post of mine in the other thread


You mean like the bankers who caused the crisis.
And yet we bailed them out and paid for it with austerity.
The rich ****ed up, the poor paid. Tory justice.

[SherzyK]

Still waiting for your answer to this post of mine in the other thread

She hasn’t got one

[The Slim Reaper]

Great article by Richard Littlejohn:

They wanted a second People's Vote... and they got the one they deserved

This wasn't just a defiant reaffirmation of the EU referendum result, it was a
damning repudiation of those who have spent the past three and a half years
trying to Stop Brexit.

It also served as a timely reminder that there is life outside the Westminster
bubble, that social media is not the real world.

As late as Thursday lunchtime, political commentators were confidently
predicting a hung parliament on the evidence of a handful of photos on
Twitter showing a few dozen young people queueing at polling stations in
London.

Like children chasing a football round a school playground, they all rushed to
follow the herd.

The Corbynistas were crushed. The self-deluding Remain Alliance, which
thought it could bully the British people into reversing the referendum result,
was routed.

This time it was personal. This time they were on the ballot. They had
everything to lose. And lose they did, on a spectacular scale. They didn't just
lose a referendum, they lost their jobs. They had it coming.


Grieve, Gauke, Soubry Loo and the rest were all sent packing. Not a single
one of the turncoat Tory MPs who rebelled against their own government over
Brexit managed to retain their seats.


Nor did any of those who resigned the Labour whip to join Change UK or the
Lib Dems, Chucky Umunna included. What an ignominious downfall for the
man dubbed (by himself, probably) Britain's Barack Obama.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7790961/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-wanted-Peoples-Vote-got-one.html

52% voted for remain parties, and 48% voted for leave parties. It's all irrelevant now as we have a nice Brexit to look forward to. The only good thing to come from this election is the fact there is no way the tories can keep underfunding the NHS any longer after both the way they were criticised for it, and their promises.

The electorate voted for the daily heil platform, so I'm excited to see how the Gypsy pogroms and stripping oversight away from parliament (both in their manifesto) works out in a nice healthy democracy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2019/12/13/BOB141219_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwf SM8Sv5nIxQonD2k-JCC_U.jpg?imwidth=1400

[Cherie]

In all honesty I think some of the language used by remainers has helped rather than hindered Brexit, some working class leavers got fed up of being told they were stupid, didn't know what they were voting for, were racist, and even if they were wobbling about leaving, their backs were up from some of the rhetoric and here we are

The Lib Dems did nada to help the remain cause, some remainers could not get behind,'just revoke' either, as well as having an unpopular leader

[Crimson Dynamo]

The rise of the Red Tory

[Tom4784]

In all honesty I think some of the language used by remainers has helped rather than hindered Brexit, some working class leavers got fed up of being told they were stupid, didn't know what they were voting for, were racist, and even if they were wobbling about leaving, their backs were up from some of the rhetoric and here we are

The Lib Dems did nada to help the remain cause, some remainers could not get behind,'just revoke' either, as well as having an unpopular leader

Yay, fragile people got bored of being told they were stupid and went out and proved it instead!

The public cannot be helped, they are lemmings at this point and they deserve what they're gonna get and I don't want to hear a single complaint from anyone that voted Tory because they will get exactly what they voted for. There's no more excuses for them now, they can't pin anything on remainers or labour now that Boris' tories have a majority. They only have themselves to blame from here on out.

[Tom4784]

The rise of the Red Tory

The only Tories are blue, anyone that voted for the Tories cannot call themselves Labour, especially with this election in which the NHS is on the line. Trying to desperately spin a narrative in which Labour voters voted for Tories won't work. Only Tories vote for Tories.

[Oliver_W]

��️864,743 votes to elect 1 Green MP
��️642,303 votes to elect 0 Brexit Party MPs
��️334,122 votes to elect a Lib Dem
��️50,817 votes for a Labour MP
��️38,316 votes for a Plaid Cymru MP
��️38,300 votes for a Con. MP
��️25,882 votes for a SNP MP


This is how broken the voting system is

Growing calls for electoral reform after vote share per party is revealed

Green MPs elected in yesterday’s general election represented more than 850,000 votes while SNP MPs represented under 26,000, according to figures from the Electoral Reform Society.

More than 330,000 votes were needed to elect a Liberal Democrat, compared to 50,000 for Labour and 38,000 for Plaid Cymru and Conservative candidates.

Meanwhile, the Brexit Party won more than 642,000 votes but failed to get any representatives in the House of Commons.

Overall, the Electoral Reform Society claims that 45.3% of votes did not get any representation, because of the number of voters who didn’t support the winning candidate.


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��️642,303 votes to elect 0 Brexit Party MPs
��️334,122 votes to elect a Lib Dem
��️50,817 votes for a Labour MP
��️38,316 votes for a Plaid Cymru MP
��️38,300 votes for a Con. MP
��️25,882 votes for a SNP MP#ScrapFPTP

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The figures, which come from analysing the number of votes compared to the number of MPs elected, have led to renewed calls for electoral reform.

Former Green party leader and Brighton Pavilion MP Caroline Lucas used her election victory speech to call for an end to the first past the post voting system, saying she felt “anger that our political system is so badly broken and is still letting down individuals and our country so badly”.

“Our electoral system is rotten to the core,” she said.

Last week, Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage pledged to change the party’s name to the Reform Party after the UK’s departure from the EU, in order to campaign for a proportional voting system.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/dec/12/general-election-2019-uk-live-labour-tories-corbyn-boris-johnson-results-exit-poll

While I see what you're saying, to change the electoral system would basically need to entire government system to change. I'm not even saying that's a bad thing, just that it's bigger than some seem to think.

MPs each represent a constituency - some are bigger than others, as smallish towns and their orbiting villages are different sizes (and demographics*) to big cities. Brighton is pretty big, probably bigger than a Tory town.

The PM represents the party which achieves the most MPs, i.e. the party with the most constituency representatives.

The way PR is being proposed isn't even fully defined, as far as I know. The seats in Parliament would be divided according to the percentage of votes, sure. But how would they be allocated? Can you guarantee that every constituency would get an MP from the party their majority voted for? Probably not.


*I'm not even talking about ethnic demographics. I'm a small town bumpkin, I'm nothing like you weirdo city folks in That London :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I also think that many younger people are shocked that their social media lied to them and let them down. They had seen all the memes, the tweets, the soundbites and they were convinced that Labour would easily win, the lIb dems would do well as would the greens.

Its a victory for reality and a defeat for the mobile phone

[The Slim Reaper]

In all honesty I think some of the language used by remainers has helped rather than hindered Brexit, some working class leavers got fed up of being told they were stupid, didn't know what they were voting for, were racist, and even if they were wobbling about leaving, their backs were up from some of the rhetoric and here we are

The Lib Dems did nada to help the remain cause, some remainers could not get behind,'just revoke' either, as well as having an unpopular leader

Not entirely sure it's fair to blame remainers for yet another thing. We're getting close to blaming remain when peoples boilers break at this stage. The public spoke out on their priorities, and they were mostly stopping immigration. There is no doubt that brexit is a racist endeavour at this stage. All election cycle it was pointed out what the conservatives had done for the last decade, and the results showed that people didn't give a sh1t. At what point are folks accountable for their own ballots?

Ideas of community, and the health of a society being measured by how we treat those with the least, are obsolete on this island.

[Twosugars]

Of course I watch the news and there have always been homeless people, we do try and help them,foodbanks were set up to help the needy and I got an appointment last week so I don't quite follow that one,the NHS gets vasts amounts of money but is mismanaged a lot and is overused ,I think you know what I mean,its not down to just one body that is responsible ,we ALL have to be.

I also think that many younger people are shocked that their social media lied to them and let them down. They had seen all the memes, the tweets, the soundbites and they were convinced that Labour would easily win, the lIb dems would do well as would the greens.

Its a victory for reality and a defeat for the mobile phone

Yeah blame the young now :facepalm:

[Twosugars]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2019/12/13/BOB141219_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwf SM8Sv5nIxQonD2k-JCC_U.jpg?imwidth=1400

The only thing bojo has to do with churchill is that crappy bio he wrote

A statesman he ain't

[Tom4784]

I also think that many younger people are shocked that their social media lied to them and let them down. They had seen all the memes, the tweets, the soundbites and they were convinced that Labour would easily win, the lIb dems would do well as would the greens.

Its a victory for reality and a defeat for the mobile phone

Blaming the young is such a tory thing to do, are you sure you voted SNP? Because you seem to be defending the tories a lot. Maybe you're more blue than yellow, deep down.

[Oliver_W]

Yeah blame the young now :facepalm:

Blaming the young is such a tory thing to do, are you sure you voted SNP? Because you seem to be defending the tories a lot. Maybe you're more blue than yellow, deep down.

I don't see any blame in LT's comment?

[SherzyK]

I don't see any blame in LT's comment?

That’s because you’re choosing to ignore it.

[Tom4784]

I don't see any blame in LT's comment?

It's the ol' boomer 'They should have done more then play on their phones all day!' mentality. It's belittling and it reeks of tory-ness.

[Twosugars]

She hasn’t got one

:laugh::laugh: :wavey::wavey:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Blaming the young is such a tory thing to do, are you sure you voted SNP? Because you seem to be defending the tories a lot. Maybe you're more blue than yellow, deep down.

No one is blaming them if you read what i posted, they were let down by social media and that was an area that Labour targetted and blaming the young is not "a tory thing to do" where do you get these things from?

[Tom4784]

No one is blaming them if you read what i posted, they were let down by social media and that was an area that Labour targetted and blaming the young is not "a tory thing to do" where do you get these things from?

Of course it is, you always get the boomer tories demonising the younger people because they know their bull**** has increasingly less sway with generations born during and after the 90's.

It's funny, we should technically be on the same side at this point, I want the SNP to thrive and get Scotland it's independence and you supposedly being an SNP voter should want the same but you're going into overdrive defending the tories at every opportunity.

[SherzyK]

:laugh::laugh: :wavey::wavey:

:joker::joker::joker::cheer2::wavey::wavey:

[The Slim Reaper]

No one is blaming them if you read what i posted, they were let down by social media and that was an area that Labour targetted and blaming the young is not "a tory thing to do" where do you get these things from?

Polls were also on twitter and social media, no one seriously thought labour had a chance of winning but a hung parliament was deemed as in play by all sides right up until to exit polls were released.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Of course it is, you always get the boomer tories demonising the younger people because they know their bull**** has increasingly less sway with generations born during and after the 90's.

It's funny, we should technically be on the same side at this point, I want the SNP to thrive and get Scotland it's independence and you supposedly being an SNP voter should want the same but you're going into overdrive defending the tories at every opportunity.

I think you have missed the point about social media and the role of that with young voters.

[Oliver_W]

It's the ol' boomer 'They should have done more then play on their phones all day!' mentality. It's belittling and it reeks of tory-ness.
than*

It didn't even seem like that, he didn't say they should have done more? He commented on the effect of social media distorting people's views. Just like the tabloid's affect people's views.

[Tom4784]

than*

It didn't even seem like that, he didn't say they should have done more? He commented on the effect of social media distorting people's views. Just like the tabloid's affect people's views.

If you have to pick at people's grammar as your leading line that that speaks volumes about how poor your leading argument is.

You have to jump through loops and pretend not to see the subtext to come to your conclusion, in life, the simpler solution is often the correct one.

[Tom4784]

I think you have missed the point about social media and the role of that with young voters.

No, I see it clearly. You're just trying to rag on the younger people as per usual.

[Oliver_W]

You have to jump through loops and pretend not to see the subtext to come to your conclusion, in life, the simpler solution is often the correct one.
You're the one jumping through hoops, to see subtext which isn't there. The simple solution is he meant what he said.

I think you have missed the point about social media and the role of that with young voters.

[Tom4784]

You're the one jumping through hoops, to see subtext which isn't there. The simple solution is he meant what he said.

What you're choosing to see and what is actually there are two different things, Ollie.

[Oliver_W]

What you're choosing to see and what is actually there are two different things, Ollie.

Et tu.

There's no reason to look further into LT's comment, I think we know him well enough to know that if he thought "young people should put their phones down and actually do something", he would not mince his words :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

You're the one jumping through hoops, to see subtext which isn't there. The simple solution is he meant what he said.

thank you Oliver it was a pretty unambiguous post

[Nicky91]

I think you have missed the point about social media and the role of that with young voters.

social media doesn't necessarily be only for the young voters though

:umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

social media doesn't necessarily be only for the young voters though

:umm2:

Quite right Nicky

[Crimson Dynamo]

I agree with Piers who said "Twitter had another bad election last night" Twitter is a terrible conduit for fake news and trolling abuse. Its a young person medium

40% of U.S. adults who use Twitter are aged between 18 and 29 years

[arista]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2019/12/13/BOB141219_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwf SM8Sv5nIxQonD2k-JCC_U.jpg?imwidth=1400


Fantastic LT.

[Twosugars]

Et tu.

There's no reason to look further into LT's comment, I think we know him well enough to know that if he thought "young people should put their phones down and actually do something", he would not mince his words :joker:

Oh I don't know about that.
I think our Trumpet can be pretty stealthy with his words when he wants to.
Imagine my shock when I discovered he is an SNP voter! Would you guess it from his posts? I wouldn't.

[Twosugars]

Fantastic LT.

Wait, I've got a better one for you. You gonna love this



https://i.imgur.com/z8TnEbHl.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh I don't know about that.
I think our Trumpet can be pretty stealthy with his words when he wants to.
Imagine my shock when I discovered he is an SNP voter! Would you guess it from his posts? I wouldn't.

TS you were carpeted by Admin yesterday for this "tactic" so please pay heed to what Josy told you

[arista]

Wait, I've got a better one for you. You gonna love this



https://i.imgur.com/z8TnEbHl.jpg


Sure Clever Dominic
keeping busy, avoiding Trump

[Oliver_W]

Oh I don't know about that.
I think our Trumpet can be pretty stealthy with his words when he wants to.
Imagine my shock when I discovered he is an SNP voter! Would you guess it from his posts? I wouldn't.

While I can see what you mean, he's more "Blackadder the Third throwing stealth insults at Prince George" than "saying something pretty clearly so other people can make up their own meanings" :joker:

[Twosugars]

TS you were carpeted by Admin yesterday for this "tactic" so please pay heed to what Josy told you

Oop my bad.

Can't help being fascinated by your truly Damascene conversion:flutter:

Still awaiting your reply via pm.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/PortalPictures/December2019/V%20for%20victory%203.jpg?imwidth=640

[Twosugars]

https://i.imgur.com/KAhTC2Gl.jpg

[smudgie]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/PortalPictures/December2019/V%20for%20victory%203.jpg?imwidth=640

OMG love child of two former Tory PM’s becomes Tory MP.
who knew:joker:

[Twosugars]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/PortalPictures/December2019/V%20for%20victory%203.jpg?imwidth=640

https://i.imgur.com/oEEuAOdl.jpg?1

mustn't forget the Scottish winner

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2019/12/14/1512-MATT-GALLERY-WEB-P1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWeZ_v EN7c6bHu2jJnT8.png?imwidth=1400

[Twosugars]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2019/12/14/1512-MATT-GALLERY-WEB-P1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWeZ_v EN7c6bHu2jJnT8.png?imwidth=1400

How would you know ?

[arista]

1205886002595848192

Rob Rinder getting Angry and Stanley Johnson
Live on the Ch4HD Alternate Election Debate

[The Slim Reaper]

Why people are being constantly conned,

https://themediafund.org/news/daily-mail-most-unreliable-paper/

Daily Mail: Most Unreliable Paper For 3rd Year In A Row

As analysed by Tabloid Corrections website, Rothermere’s Daily Mail has again received the most sanctions from the press regulator, IPSO.

Interestingly, the supposed “paper of record”, Murdoch’s Times comes in 2nd place in the list with The Sun Close behind.

The sanctions imposed by IPSO clearly don’t add up to sufficient disincentive for pumping out perpetual disinformation.

The failure to nail down an improvement in quality, via standards such as those outlined in “Leveson 2”, doesn’t bode well for a reversal in the ongoing lack of faith exhibited by the general public towards corporate media. The UK press is the least trusted of 33 nations in Europe.

People increasingly get their news and analysis elsewhere, though many of those sources aren’t exactly tip-top for reliability either. It hardly bodes well for news consumption that The Mail’s online counterpart is the most widely read English language news-source on the planet.

Rather than reflect and improve on their practice, establishment journalists seem more likely to attack the independent sector, as our next story demonstrates.

[bots]

it's very difficult to find reliable news that is not tainted by politics from one side or another. I object to paying a bbc license fee now, because their news is dreadful, their website is dreadful and their election show with a constantly angry Andrew Neil was unwatchable

[James]

I think BBC news is very good. I like how they try and look at issues in an unbalanced way, and give both sides, whereas so many media organisations now have to have a point of view.

For me personally the news coverage is one of a small number of things that justifies the licence fee the most. I don't watch much on the BBC anymore. No interest in Strictly, singing shows and all that.

[Liam-]

Leveson 2 is desperately needed, probably partly why the bias media was so against Labour

[Twosugars]

it's very difficult to find reliable news that is not tainted by politics from one side or another. I object to paying a bbc license fee now, because their news is dreadful, their website is dreadful and their election show with a constantly angry Andrew Neil was unwatchable

It pains me to say it about the BBC but I agree

[The Slim Reaper]

I think BBC news is very good. I like how they try and look at issues in an unbalanced way, and give both sides, whereas so many media organisations now have to have a point of view.

For me personally the news coverage is one of a small number of things that justifies the licence fee the most. I don't watch much on the BBC anymore. No interest in Strictly, singing shows and all that.

BBC had to constantly explain so-called "gaffes" that favoured the tories over and over again all election cycle. Their own staff reporting concerns over their trustworthiness.

[Twosugars]

Meanwhile

Charities helping the most vulnerable in society have reported an increase in support after the Conservative victory in the general election.

Shelter, Refuge, the Trussell Trust and the Biscuit Fund have all confirmed they have seen a sharp increase in donations and/or registered supporters as a result of the election outcome
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/14/housing-charities-and-food-banks-report-spike-in-donations-after-tory-win


I wonder why :think:

[Zizu]

Meanwhile

Charities helping the most vulnerable in society have reported an increase in support after the Conservative victory in the general election.

Shelter, Refuge, the Trussell Trust and the Biscuit Fund have all confirmed they have seen a sharp increase in donations and/or registered supporters as a result of the election outcome
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/14/housing-charities-and-food-banks-report-spike-in-donations-after-tory-win


I wonder why :think:



I’m thinking that Boris will be a great PM .. just to prove everyone wrong


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[arista]

I think BBC news is very good. I like how they try and look at issues in an unbalanced way, and give both sides, whereas so many media organisations now have to have a point of view.

For me personally the news coverage is one of a small number of things that justifies the licence fee the most. I don't watch much on the BBC anymore. No interest in Strictly, singing shows and all that.


Yes the BBC had a massive Team
but I had all 4 broadcast on
with subtitles.
On 4 HD TV's

The Best was Ch4HD Alternate Election
with a Live Audience
and so many Great Guests.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes the BBC had a massive Team
but I had all 4 broadcast on
with subtitles.
On 4 HD TV's

The Best was Ch4HD Alternate Election
with a Live Audience
and so many Great Guests.

incorrect in was BBC Scotland. Sobers, unbiased and utilitarian

[Kazanne]

What kind of moron would wish someone a horrible death and claim they want to be a doctor ? I wouldn't want her anywhere near me,as much as I don't like Corbyn I would never wish a thing like that on him,they really don't do their cause any good.
https://www.facebook.com/calvin4brexit/videos/1309307712590162/

[Oliver_W]

What kind of moron would wish someone a horrible death and claim they want to be a doctor ? I wouldn't want her anywhere near me,as much as I don't like Corbyn I would never wish a thing like that on him,they really don't do their cause any good.
https://www.facebook.com/calvin4brexit/videos/1309307712590162/

Momentum's gonna Momentum.

[jet]

Same, I’m waiting for the exact moment he ****s up, like when you see someone realise they’re gonna fall and their arms flap, I can’t wait!

So you blame the Tories for all the problens in the UK, yet you can't wait for Boris to fail even though that would mean all the problems would continue....and you are not the only one who is displaying this attitude, there are posts saying they want people to SUFFER because they voted for him. It means you/they don't really care about the ills in our society at all; just about winning.
The fake compassion is so transparent.

[Kazanne]

Momentum's gonna Momentum.

It's ugly Oliver:wavey:

[Black Dagger]

So is the fact that the conservatives are in power and people are actually dying under their policies but what can we do?

[Crimson Dynamo]

So is the fact that the conservatives are in power and people are actually dying under their policies but what can we do?People die every day in the UK, what direct evidence do you have?

[lime]

well now the Britrish GE is over we know it will be buisness as usual..blame the Irish and EU in general.Boris and Co lies that a trade deal would be complete in 12 months.We had some light releif...but now you will hear ERG tellling lies that we in the EU want to keep the UK in the EU.When will the lies end ??

[Tom4784]

So you blame the Tories for all the problens in the UK, yet you can't wait for Boris to fail even though that would mean all the problems would continue....and you are not the only one who is displaying this attitude, there are posts saying they want people to SUFFER because they voted for him. It means you/they don't really care about the ills in our society at all; just about winning.
The fake compassion is so transparent.

You tried to add 2 and 2 and you came up with 25.

Everyone is going to suffer under this government, it is inevitable and doing what most Tories did by ignoring the facts will never change that. We cannot stop what Tory voters have put in motion and there's no stopping the Tories as they are pretty much untouchable because their supporters will never hear a word against them. We've basically had ten years of **** under the tories and they've scored their biggest majority in decades. The public are hopelessly brainwashed by Tory propaganda and I doubt that will ever change.

I can't change what's going to happen but I'm not going to sit there and be quiet about it because, let's face it, that's the REAL issue here. You want people to be silent in their discontent, Boris isn't calling for unity, he's calling for dissenting voices to get in line. By making out that people who want the tories to suffer for what they've done are somehow gonna sabotage things is not only illogical but it's pure virtue signalling at it's finest and I won't stand for it.

I can't change what's about to happen but I can certainly hope that people who voted Tory will suffer what they've chosen to inflict on us all and I will be there for every tory I know in life, constantly reminding them that they have no one to blame but themselves.

The tory voters have enabled the further destruction of this country and no amount of faux pearl clutching bull**** from their voters will stop me from stating the truth. They chose this willingly, they have no one else to blame for their own choices but themselves.

[Tom4784]

People die every day in the UK, what direct evidence do you have?

Are you sure you voted SNP?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Are you sure you voted SNP?

Yes and it's so sweet of you and TS to be so concerned again and Again Who was it you voted for again, was it lib Dems :(

[Twosugars]

Yes and it's so sweet of you and TS to be so concerned again and Again Who was it you voted for again, was it lib Dems :(

Well done with the vote :thumbs:

[Tom4784]

Yes and it's so sweet of you and TS to be so concerned again and Again Who was it you voted for again, was it lib Dems :(

It's strange that you'd be so intent on defending Tories when them being in power impedes the SNP's goals significantly. If you voted SNP then you should be highly opposed to the Tories and how they've found a way to tighten their grips despite constant incompetence.

Scotland won't ever likely get another shot at independence under Boris' foot.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's strange that you'd be so intent on defending Tories when them being in power impedes the SNP's goals significantly. If you voted SNP then you should be highly opposed to the Tories and how they've found a way to tighten their grips despite constant incompetence.

Scotland won't ever likely get another shot at independence under Boris' foot.

So lib Dems them

[Tom4784]

So lib Dems them

Under that Tory in disguise? After they sold their souls for that coalition with the Tory scum? Never.

Now I'm not going to let you wriggle out of responding so easily. Why are you defending the Tories when they ultimately oppose the SNP's goals?

[Daniel-X]

I saw a proverb today and it really summed up this election for me:

The forest was shrinking but the trees kept voting for the axe, for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood; he was one of them

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/19/12/768x432/skynews-papers-paper-review_4866722.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20191214221826

[Beso]

Anyone see the protest last night in central London..I watched it live..it was exciting.

[GoldHeart]

It's strange that you'd be so intent on defending Tories when them being in power impedes the SNP's goals significantly. If you voted SNP then you should be highly opposed to the Tories and how they've found a way to tighten their grips despite constant incompetence.

Scotland won't ever likely get another shot at independence under Boris' foot.

Sturgeon was angry at the result , she knows exactly what Johnson will do and she knows Scotland's freedom will be blocked.

[Beso]

You simply can't say "it's a once in a lifetime"...then expect another go so early after losing...

I just wish she would run for pm..but I think she missed her chance on Friday...shame, cause she's good in many ways...but a little huffy if she don't get the result her way..

A bit like me on strictly tibb...when I don't make the final final..

[Twosugars]

I saw a proverb today and it really summed up this election for me:

:laugh: very good

[Twosugars]

Sturgeon was angry at the result , she knows exactly what Johnson will do and she knows Scotland's freedom will be blocked.

Win win situation for SNP

The more he denies the ref the more unfair it will look to Scots, the more popular the indy cause will be.
Stupid tactics in the long run. But then he is not the sharpest at best of times.

[Tom4784]

You simply can't say "it's a once in a lifetime"...then expect another go so early after losing...

I just wish she would run for pm..but I think she missed her chance on Friday...shame, cause she's good in many ways...but a little huffy if she don't get the result her way..

A bit like me on strictly tibb...when I don't make the final final..

The situation from now and then is dramatically different and, let's face it. If remain won the referendum, the Leavers would be demanding a new referendum right away without any changing landscapes to back it up.

Scotland voted against Brexit, they've categorically denied the Tories a real presence in Scotland and by supporting the SNP, they've made their intent clear. Anyone who would oppose a Scottish referendum does not respect democracy.

[Kizzy]

Now they can release the info on Russian interference as promised.

[arista]

Now they can release the info on Russian interference as promised.


Yes Next Month

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/ABDA/production/_110149934_sundaymirror.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/CF02/production/_110149925_observer.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/12BFA/production/_110149767_mailonsunday.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/93A2/production/_110149773_sundayexpress.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/12/13/15/22205782-0-image-m-12_1576250904072.jpg
[He is little known outside Westminster,
but 35-year-old Australian Isaac Levido
will win the lion’s share of the credit
for Boris Johnson’s election triumph.
Softly spoken and sporting a black beard,
Mr Levido was director of politics
and campaigning in
Conservative Campaign Headquarters
– and the undisputed chief of the Tory campaign.]



Keep Up the good work Isaac and Dominic



Sign Of The Times

[The Slim Reaper]

1205942388214190080

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELyK1PUWoAYOQxq?format=jpg&name=medium

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELqduk_W4AAeSmN?format=jpg&name=small

[MTVN]

1205942388214190080

'Funny how this comes out now'

Links an article from November

[The Slim Reaper]

'Funny how this comes out now'

Links an article from November

The tweet was irrelevant in me posting this.

[arista]

1206134030300798976

TS No 2nd IndyRef.

Please take note.

[arista]

'Funny how this comes out now'

Links an article from November



Sadly Slim is digging up all the past

I would hope he posts today's Politics
instead.

Already loads on TV and Radio.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELvZf6iW4AAU8Hs?format=jpg&name=large

Older generation pulling up the ladder, and the younger generation need to get involved more.

[The Slim Reaper]

Sadly Slim is digging up all the past

I would hope he posts today's Politics
instead.

Already loads on TV and Radio.

November was 16 days ago :joker:

[Ammi]

...it’s been a lonnnnnnngggggggg 16 days...

[arista]

Older generation pulling up the ladder, and the younger generation need to get involved more.


At last some Common sense from Slim.


As for the Young not voting
no one can force them.

Life In The City.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELimenCWkAE232H?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Once again The Sun
Got it Right


Paper Power

[The Slim Reaper]

Sadly Arista

is posting

OLD NEWS

Again

[Scarlett.]

It's interesting to see the number of actual votes, its much closer than the system makes it look
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/E564/production/_110142785_resultstable.png

[arista]

Sadly Arista

is posting

OLD NEWS

Again


Sure
But so many said the Sun will get it wrong
and they Got the projection right on Voting day/

the working class vote went up
for the Conservatives.

Corbyn is Pathetic,

[The Slim Reaper]

Sure
But so many said the Sun will get it wrong
and they Got the projection right on Voting day/

the working class vote went up
for the Conservatives.

Corbyn is Pathetic,

No one says the sun will get it wrong,

because they are major factor in making sure that was the

Result. You're making **** up now,

so you can score imaginary points against

imaginary people.

Sad

[arista]

No one says the sun will get it wrong,

because they are major factor in making sure that was the

Result. You're making **** up now,

so you can score imaginary points against

imaginary people.

Sad


Sorry Slim
it was on TV & Radio debates the
the evening before the Election
loads said the Sun was Wrong.

But the Sun , once again
got it right.

[The Slim Reaper]

Sorry Slim
it was on TV & Radio debates the
the evening before the Election
loads said the Sun was Wrong.

But the Sun , once again
got it right.

Which debates? I want to see or listen to them.

Can you post a link


PLEASE

[Zizu]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELqduk_W4AAeSmN?format=jpg&name=small



That’s actually very , very true

I’m surprised Boris hasn’t mentioned or thanked him publicly ( unless he has of course) .




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[arista]

Which debates? I want to see or listen to them.

Can you post a link


PLEASE


LBC radio
SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD

[arista]

That’s actually very , very true

I’m surprised Boris hasn’t mentioned or thanked him publicly ( unless he has of course) .




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Yes he will soon have his show
back on LBC Radio

[The Slim Reaper]

LBC radio
SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD

I need shows where this was said because I don't believe you :smug:

[Zizu]

'Funny how this comes out now'



Links an article from November



Stuff like that is nonsense given what he’s been saying since the victory..


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[arista]

I need shows where this was said because I don't believe you :smug:

Paper Reviews
on that night before the Election.


Stop all this silly bickering

[The Slim Reaper]

Paper Reviews
on that night before the Election.


Stop all this silly bickering

It's silly when I do it, but fine for you to do it? I didn't think either of us were being serious, but you live and you learn I guess :shrug:

[Twosugars]

LBC radio
SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD

LBC Radio HD

[Twosugars]

Could I ask for resizing images again?

[arista]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JikhuJjM1VM&feature=emb_logo

Alan Johnson Labour
Talking Sense

[arista]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pN0zHf_WPc

John McDonnell says Sorry
today on Marr

[arista]

Could I ask for resizing images again?


Sorry that one I can not
we are now on a new page

[arista]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fXeP4oWNSA

One hour LBC Ian with new MP's
in London.

11AM today.

[Toy Soldier]

Could I ask for resizing images again?

There is a really quick, CSS edit that auto-resizes images to a maximum width and I have NO IDEA why this forum doesn't use it :joker:.

JAMES FFS, replace your [img] standard BB code to include this:

img style="max-width: calc(100% - 20px);"

before the src variable...

Or actually, just add max-width: calc(100% - 20px) to the img CSS for the entire site. It would literally take 10 seconds.

Oversized images will automatically scale to the size of the window.

Why TiBB hasn't had this for years I have absolutely no idea.

[arista]

1206134030300798976

TS No 2nd IndyRef.

Please take note.


Posting again for TS
in Scotland

[Oliver_W]

Sorry that one I can not
we are now on a new page

You should place large images in spoiler tags.

[arista]

Confirmed New Queens Speech on Thursday
Parliament opens on Tuesday

[arista]

You should place large images in spoiler tags.

Yes I am Guilty as charged

[Crimson Dynamo]

Posting again for TS
in Scotland

Incorrect information by Gove


Alec Salmond in one interview said he felt it would be a once in a generation ref but that was an opinion - it was not stated policy or part of the referendum

he also added in that interview:

the only circumstance for another ref would be an "extra mandate at a subsequent general election" - the SNP have that now

[Twosugars]

There is a really quick, CSS edit that auto-resizes images to a maximum width and I have NO IDEA why this forum doesn't use it :joker:.

JAMES FFS, replace your [img] standard BB code to include this:

img style="max-width: calc(100% - 20px);"

before the src variable...

Or actually, just add max-width: calc(100% - 20px) to the img CSS for the entire site. It would literally take 10 seconds.

Oversized images will automatically scale to the size of the window.

Why TiBB hasn't had this for years I have absolutely no idea.

:clap1:

[Twosugars]

Win win situation for SNP

The more he denies the ref the more unfair it will look to Scots, the more popular the indy cause will be.
Stupid tactics in the long run. But then he is not the sharpest at best of times.

Posting again. Denying indyref2 shows cons are stupid

[Twosugars]

Incorrect information by Gove


Alec Salmond in one interview said he felt it would be a once in a generation ref but that was an opinion - it was not stated policy or part of the referendum

he also added in that interview:

the only circumstance for another ref would be an "extra mandate at a subsequent general election" - the SNP have that now

Well said LT

[Calderyon]

Using D'Hondt system:

Vote threshold: 2,0 %

Conservative (43.87%): 297
Labour (32.32%): 219
Liberal Dems (11.63%): 78
SNP (3.91%): 26
Green (2.63%): 17
Brexit party (2.02%): 13
------------------
DUP (0.77%): Not enough votes
Sinn Fein (0.57%): Not enough votes
Plaid Cymru (0.48%): Not enough votes
Alliance (0.42%): Not enough votes
SDLP (0.37%): Not enough votes
UUP (0.29%): Not enough votes
Yorkshire (0.09%): Not enough votes
Scot Green (0.09%): Not enough votes
Speaker (0.08%): Not enough votes
UKIP (0.07%): Not enough votes
Ashfield I. (0.04%): Not enough votes
Liberal (0.03%): Not enough votes
IGC (0.03%): Not enough votes
Aontu (0.03%): Not enough votes
Monster RL (0.03%): Not enough votes
PBP (0.02%): Not enough votes
BSJ (0.02%): Not enough votes
CP (0.02%): Not enough votes
HWI (0.02%): Not enough votes
SDP (0.01%): Not enough votes
Animal W (0.01%): Not enough votes
NEP (0.01%): Not enough votes
LI (0.01%): Not enough votes
NI Green (0.01%): Not enough votes
ED (0.01%): Not enough votes
Libertarian (0.01%): Not enough votes
MK (0.01%): Not enough votes
POOS (0.01%): Not enough votes
IN (0.00%): Not enough votes
GG (0.00%): Not enough votes
CV (0.00%): Not enough votes
V&P (0.00%): Not enough votes
B&P Party (0.00%): Not enough votes
SP (0.00%): Not enough votes
PCF (0.00%): Not enough votes
Peace (0.00%): Not enough votes
Wycombe I. (0.00%): Not enough votes
JAC (0.00%): Not enough votes
Christian (0.00%): Not enough votes
Renew (0.00%): Not enough votes
Workers R. (0.00%): Not enough votes
BNP (0.00%): Not enough votes
SFP (0.00%): Not enough votes
Womens E. (0.00%): Not enough votes
SLB (0.00%): Not enough votes
CU (0.00%): Not enough votes
Advance (0.00%): Not enough votes
YP (0.00%): Not enough votes
AGS (0.00%): Not enough votes
Yeshua (0.00%): Not enough votes
COTME (0.00%): Not enough votes
SE (0.00%): Not enough votes
Socialist (GB) (0.00%): Not enough votes

[Twosugars]

Wow so many

[arista]

Incorrect information by Gove


Alec Salmond in one interview said he felt it would be a once in a generation ref but that was an opinion - it was not stated policy or part of the referendum

he also added in that interview:

the only circumstance for another ref would be an "extra mandate at a subsequent general election" - the SNP have that now

Johnson will still say No
in Parliament this week.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Johnson will still say No
in Parliament this week.

And i expect him too as that is what he must but things change as the months go on. I think he will meet with Nicola and they will get on better than perhaps people expect

[The Slim Reaper]

NI has a nationalist government, so does Scotland, and England. It's pretty remote that the union will outlast Boris at this stage.

[Toy Soldier]

SNP are banking on the Tories denying a referendum for a certain period of time, it's a level of authoritarianism that's key to securing votes.

[arista]

SNP are banking on the Tories denying a referendum for a certain period of time, it's a level of authoritarianism that's key to securing votes.


Sure
but you will not get 2nd IndyRef
thats set in stone

[Toy Soldier]

Sure

but you will not get 2nd IndyRef

thats set in stoneNonsense. Even if there isn't one under BoJo (and even that is not "set in stone") there is - believe it or not - a future beyond Boris.

[arista]

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/009/918/659/large/gustavo-belo-sword-stone-tt.jpg?1521578402

[James]

There is a really quick, CSS edit that auto-resizes images to a maximum width and I have NO IDEA why this forum doesn't use it :joker:.

JAMES FFS, replace your [img] standard BB code to include this:

img style="max-width: calc(100% - 20px);"

before the src variable...

Or actually, just add max-width: calc(100% - 20px) to the img CSS for the entire site. It would literally take 10 seconds.

Oversized images will automatically scale to the size of the window.

Why TiBB hasn't had this for years I have absolutely no idea.

I know about all these options. I think we had something like that before but there is some reason I removed it, maybe because people didn't have the option anymore to post big pictures that could be zoomed in on detail.

[James]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELvZf6iW4AAU8Hs?format=jpg&name=large

Older generation pulling up the ladder, and the younger generation need to get involved more.

Those figures are from 2017, not this election.

[arista]

Those figures are from 2017, not this election.


Typical of Slim
going back Years

[The Slim Reaper]

Typical of Slim
going back Years

Stop this silly bickering. :smug:

Cheers James, I'll try and find the right one.

[Crimson Dynamo]

FV1xLCB0d0M

Look at the girl on his right's eyes literally saying "what is this little twerp on about". :joker:

[James]

Stop this silly bickering. :smug:

Cheers James, I'll try and find the right one.

Not sure a constituency map like that has been done for 2019 yet.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELq44ibXYAI2KxP?format=jpg&name=small

Don't forget that is based on polling after the election, not actual votes. They don't record that information when you vote.

[The Slim Reaper]

FV1xLCB0d0M

Look at the girl on his right's eyes literally saying "what is this little twerp on about". :joker:

That's Arista's crush you're talking about. He's not a fan of Ash though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Everyone knows that when you start earning and owning you take a keener interest in who is spending your money and so the idealism gets shelved for realism..

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EL0rucAXUAghAQF?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

That's Arista's crush you're talking about. He's not a fan of Ash though.

Ash is a Communist.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/NINTCHDBPICT000547913223-e1576420268975.jpg?w=940

[arista]

1206227471286329346

[Marsh.]

Everyone knows

The ultimate narcissism.

[The Slim Reaper]

The ultimate narcissism.

It's also ultimate bollocks.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's also ultimate bollocks.

Literally bourne out in your graphic

[Marsh.]

It's also ultimate bollocks.

True.

[The Slim Reaper]

Literally bourne out in your graphic

No it isn't, and that's James' graphic. Older people are generally far more racist, that's also borne out by the graphic for a brexit election.

Taxes are paid regardless, it's just about personal worldview on what things we'd prefer that money to be spent on.

[Crimson Dynamo]

SIR – It was quite something for me to cast my vote for my Conservative
candidate on Thursday. The last time I had done so was very reluctantly in
1992; since then, as a campaigner to leave the EU, I was not inspired by a
single Conservative leader – until Boris Johnson arrived.


Back in the dark days, when John Major was destroying the Conservative
Party, I wrote to him many times, warning that he would lose my vote – and
that, if lifelong Tory voters like me deserted the party, he was in trouble.


Mr Johnson has clearly won back many traditional Conservative voters, and
we look forward to a return to true Conservative principles, getting out of the
EU 
and restoring our standing on the world stage.


Derek Bennett
Walsall, Staffordshire

letter in today's ST

[SherzyK]

The other countries in Europe and around the world laugh at the UK, I wonder why

[Marsh.]

restoring our standing on the world stage.

:joker: NOT gonna happen.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The other countries in Europe and around the world laugh at the UK, I wonder why

how do countries speak?

and how do you know what they say :joker:

[jet]

You tried to add 2 and 2 and you came up with 25.

Everyone is going to suffer under this government, it is inevitable and doing what most Tories did by ignoring the facts will never change that. We cannot stop what Tory voters have put in motion and there's no stopping the Tories as they are pretty much untouchable because their supporters will never hear a word against them. We've basically had ten years of **** under the tories and they've scored their biggest majority in decades. The public are hopelessly brainwashed by Tory propaganda and I doubt that will ever change.

I can't change what's going to happen but I'm not going to sit there and be quiet about it because, let's face it, that's the REAL issue here. You want people to be silent in their discontent, Boris isn't calling for unity, he's calling for dissenting voices to get in line. By making out that people who want the tories to suffer for what they've done are somehow gonna sabotage things is not only illogical but it's pure virtue signalling at it's finest and I won't stand for it.

I can't change what's about to happen but I can certainly hope that people who voted Tory will suffer what they've chosen to inflict on us all and I will be there for every tory I know in life, constantly reminding them that they have no one to blame but themselves.

The tory voters have enabled the further destruction of this country and no amount of faux pearl clutching bull**** from their voters will stop me from stating the truth. They chose this willingly, they have no one else to blame for their own choices but themselves.

Your extreme anger is directed at the wrong people. To say that the huge majority of British people are stupid and idiots for voting differently to you is just ludicrous. Sole responsibility lies with Corbyn and his extremist clique. The majority simply didn’t like him or trust him and his extremist mindset for a myriad of reasons and they didn’t believe his ever expanding desperate promises. Young, hard left types with student mentalities who live on social media made him think he was the dogs boll***ks. He clung on the leadership when it became obvious long ago that he wasn’t a popular leader.

An Optimum poll for reasons people did not vote Labour:
Corbyn and the party leadership: 43%
Brexit stance: 17%
Economic policies: 12%

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7789965/New-poll-reveals-Jeremy-Corbyn-main-reason-people-did-not-vote-Labour.html

Corbyn let you and his Labour supporters down. The buck stops with him.

[Tom4784]

Under that Tory in disguise? After they sold their souls for that coalition with the Tory scum? Never.

Now I'm not going to let you wriggle out of responding so easily. Why are you defending the Tories when they ultimately oppose the SNP's goals?

I never did get an answer to this, LT.

Why defend the Tories and pretty much champion them if they oppose your supposed party's goals? Explain it to me. I'm gonna keep reminding you until you do, after all, I answered your question, I expect the same from you.

[Oliver_W]

SNP are banking on the Tories denying a referendum for a certain period of time, it's a level of authoritarianism that's key to securing votes.

We're effectively one big country, and keeping it together isn't authoritarianism.

[arista]

https://voteforchange.uk/

its still there
shut that stupid loser page down


All that pathetic MONEY WASTED

https://voteforchange.uk/donate/donations-received/

They are still taking Cash

[Tom4784]

Your extreme anger is directed at the wrong people. To say that the huge majority of British people are stupid and idiots for voting differently to you is just ludicrous. Sole responsibility lies with Corbyn and his extremist clique. The majority simply didn’t like him or trust him and his extremist mindset for a myriad of reasons and they didn’t believe his ever expanding desperate promises. Young, hard left types with student mentalities who live on social media made him think he was the dogs boll***ks. He clung on the leadership when it became obvious long ago that he wasn’t a popular leader.

An Optimum poll for reasons people did not vote Labour:
Corbyn and the party leadership: 43%
Brexit stance: 17%
Economic policies: 12%

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7789965/New-poll-reveals-Jeremy-Corbyn-main-reason-people-did-not-vote-Labour.html

Corbyn let you and his Labour supporters down. The buck stops with him.

A joke of an argument and the only one passing the buck here is you for blaming labour when the problem is that the public are wilfully ignorant of the facts.

Stop defending people's stupidity and being so obsessed with Corbyn that you'll probably continue to blame him for everything for years to come. The public made a decision based on ignorance, the public enabled what was going to happen to happen and the tory voters that allowed this to happen deserve every misery that's coming their way.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink, you can't stop gullible people from wilfully disregarding the facts and believing a known conman over a truth they don't want to hear.

The fault lies in the public for voting for a party that has caused so much suffering for the past 9 years, that has let them down constantly and has installed a proven liar as their leader. The warning signs were all there, the facts were in plain view but the public didn't want to see it. They deserve all the suffering that's coming their way.

Stop defending the ignorant masses, all you are doing is trying to shield them from the consequences of their own actions. You can't blame Labour or Corbyn or anyone else for this, people voted for a majority Tory government. They voted for everything that's coming to them and I will never stop reminding people of that.

You made a choice, now you have to live with it.

[Tom4784]

We're effectively one big country, and keeping it together isn't authoritarianism.

But denying people a choice definitely is.

Honestly, any right wing/tory that's actively against an indyref for Scotland is an utter indefensible hypocrite given that they will bleat on about the importance of democracy when it comes to Brexit but they won't allow Scotland a chance to make their own decision regarding whether THEY want to exit the UK in light of everything.

Democracy is democracy. denying people the right to vote because you fear the result is the antithesis of democracy.

[Toy Soldier]

I know about all these options. I think we had something like that before but there is some reason I removed it, maybe because people didn't have the option anymore to post big pictures that could be zoomed in on detail.If you use a CSS resize you can right click the image and view it full size in a new tab :suspect:.

Depends how long ago you had resizing, pre-2014 it could be a pain to get it working in a simple form that didn't have bugs on some browsers, or involve using actual plug-ins but since the full release of HTML5 it's literally one (short) line of CSS on the main sheet :fist:.