General Election on Thursday Dec 12th : Conservative Win

[arista]

Then they can debate his
Bill on the EU.


He just said

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-launches-new-bid-for-12-december-general-election-11844071


He is says the Extension will be until Jan 31st 2020

They will Vote on Monday
but will Labour step up for a Election?

[The Slim Reaper]

People are already sick of this crap. Let us enjoy Christmas and start again in the new year.

[arista]

People are already sick of this crap. Let us enjoy Christmas and start again in the new year.


No a Election gets rid of so many bad MP's
from every party.


Its Thursday the 12th
bugger all to do with Xmas.

[The Slim Reaper]

No a Election gets rid of so many bad MP's
from every party.


Its Thursday the 12th
bugger all to do with Xmas.

Less than 2 weeks from Christmas is not "bugger all to do with" it.

[Rob!]

I don’t exactly see how a GE helps anybody but if there’s a chance of getting these morons out of power, I’m all for it.

[Oliver_W]

Don't blame him - get rid of the deadwood on the other side of the House, get things done :)

[Liam-]

Look at him, trying to ruin the build up to Christmas as well, dick.

[The Slim Reaper]

I don’t exactly see how a GE helps anybody but if there’s a chance of getting these morons out of power, I’m all for it.

Johnson wants it so he can try and force through either a no deal, or a deal without any scrutiny on how it will negatively affect the country.

[arista]

Less than 2 weeks from Christmas is not "bugger all to do with" it.


Its Fine
Thursday Dec the !2th

[arista]

Amendment G Corbyn Vote
Live in Parliament on the Queens Speech

Yes 293
No 311

Lost Vote for Labour

[UserSince2005]

Labour MPs losing their job for christmas, worrying about their unemployabity over the festive period. haha. what they deserve for the uncertainty they have give us.

[arista]

Look at him, trying to ruin the build up to Christmas as well, dick.


Rubbish its on the 12th
you can still have your Xmas.

[arista]

Johnson wants it so he can try and force through either a no deal, or a deal without any scrutiny on how it will negatively affect the country.


Rubbish SLIM
he will allow Scrutiny from next week
but they must agree on
Thursday Dec 12 General Election

[arista]

Don't blame him - get rid of the deadwood on the other side of the House, get things done :)


You Are Most Wise
Oliver W

[The Slim Reaper]

Rubbish SLIM
he will allow Scrutiny from next week
but they must agree on
Thursday Dec 12 General Election

He's already tried to engineer a no deal, and then force through this deal without any time to scrutinise it, on top of that Sajid won't even release the government impact projection of his deal. You're not stupid, my friend, so don't pretend to be.

[arista]

Amendment H
SNP Vote on the Queens Speech Parliament Live

Yes 64
No 310


Massive Loss for the SNP.

[Twosugars]

Not ruining Christmas as well. What an arse

[arista]

He's already tried to engineer a no deal, and then force through this deal without any time to scrutinise it, on top of that Sajid won't even release the government impact projection of his deal. You're not stupid, my friend, so don't pretend to be.


Sajid has chosen not to, sure

But this General Election is Needed

[arista]

Not ruining Christmas as well. What an arse


Its Thursday the 12th

Nothing to do with your Xmas


1923 was last time we had a December Election.

[arista]

Live Parliament
Queens Speech Approved.

Yes 310
No 294

[arista]

Labour just said
they will go for the General Election
once No Deal is off the table
its due to approved the 31st of Jan 2020 EU Extension tomorrow PM


The SNP will follow

[Twosugars]

Its Thursday the 12th

Nothing to do with your Xmas


1923 was last time we had a December Election.

It will ruin the run up :nono:

[arista]

It will ruin the run up :nono:


It will not
you sound like a Old Man
and I know you are Not

[arista]

For Twosugars

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHqLAmlXkAE2aCE?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Labour will agree To General Election
tomorrow once they get the news
that the EU want to extend the Brexit Date to
31st of Jan 2020

[arista]

I don’t exactly see how a GE helps anybody but if there’s a chance of getting these morons out of power, I’m all for it.


Thats the Spirit

[smudgie]

Nah, too many labour seats to lose, I just can’t see them agreeing.
Couple of Tories will be sweating it as well.

[Kazanne]

Nah, too many labour seats to lose, I just can’t see them agreeing.
Couple of Tories will be sweating it as well.

This ^ Labours colour should be yellow .

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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Another reason duplicitous Johnson is trying to do this in December.

[Wizard.]

But December 12th is Uni term time? I didn't finish uni until Dec 20th.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Kizzy]

Boris is not interested in his position as PM, he has no sense of respect, duty or responsibility for the role of prime minister and I hope he goes down as the worst in history.
His only goal regardless of the many issues that face this country is getting us out of Europe. He knows he will quite possibly lose his own seat in December if there's an election but he can then pass the baton to the next pro brexiteer if they win again (God forbid).

How could anyone apart from the 1% choose to vote for the conservatives? The definition of insanity us doing the same action and expecting a different result, to continue to accept a corrosion of rights and protections, corruption, cuts and austerity is in my view just that.

Labour would be a leap into the unknown for many that don't recall life before new Labour, I for certain believe it is well worth applying those principles than continuing as we are.

[Twosugars]

Looks like labour will block the 12th of December date.

Arista will be fuming

[Toy Soldier]

An election in the middle of December is a terrible idea.

[Cherie]

it wont happen anyway

[Ammi]

...one day he might have a good thought...one day...

[Beso]

But December 12th is Uni term time? I didn't finish uni until Dec 20th.

You should complain that xmas starts 2 weeks before the 25th.

[bots]

if the EU extend until the end of january, then the sooner we have an election the better, otherwise it will just be unofficial campaigning spread over a longer period. There will be an election because if labour refuse after an extension, they are admitting they are unelectable, and thats not going to happen

[arista]

Looks like Labour will block the 12th of December date.

Arista will be fuming


We find out today
If Corbyn wants to Win the Election.

[Kazanne]

If Labour think the Tories are so bad for the country ,vote for that election and get Boris out !!!:hehe:

[arista]

If Labour think the Tories are so bad for the country ,vote for that election and get Boris out !!!:hehe:


Yes Corbyn wants this Election
its those other weak Labour MP's
that do not want it.

[arista]

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Well said Sajid.

[arista]

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Bang On Right Robert Peston.

[Toy Soldier]

I don’t exactly see how a GE helps anybody but if there’s a chance of getting these morons out of power, I’m all for it.

The result in Westminster will be a harder Tory government with Brexit party support, almost without question. In Scotland I would expect the SNP to gain back several of the seats they lost in 2017.

[Kizzy]

All boris has to do is take no deal off the table and it will be fine to press ahead with the election, boris has a deal he is happy with parliament have passed it to the next stage too so what's the problem? Why would he need the no deal option?
Quite rightly mps don't trust him, and with good reason he's a proven liar.

[Toy Soldier]

HOWEVER - I don't disagree that parliament as it exists right now is completely non-functional. Completely ineffective.

[arista]

Owen Jones wants this Election
he say Labour can win.

Lastnights NewsnightHD

[arista]

HOWEVER - I don't disagree that parliament as it exists right now is completely non-functional. Completely ineffective.



Yes you can Vote on Dec the 12th
you could fit it in.....................

[arista]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHq3-EoU0AUKVXZ?format=jpg&name=small

[Livia]

Labour wouldn't dare....

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

Labour wouldn't dare....

The Leader wants it

[Kizzy]

Ah so that's the new ad campaign by dodgy and Co some will be spammed with on facebook thanks to even dodgier AI?
I can't see what's wrong with voting down a deal if it's bad personally. Since when did Labour MPs have to pander to boris?

[arista]

Corbyn Labour Leader
will agree to the Dec 12th Election
if Johnson stops No Deal
on Monday.

He was Live on ITV1HD this morning,

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHt54CfWwAAhWpl?format=jpg&name=small

[Livia]

Corbyn Labour Leader
will agree to the Dec 12th Election
if Johnson stops No Deal
on Monday.

He was Live on ITV1HD this morning,

Not likely though.

[arista]

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[smudgie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/ad_img/1187351807569416192/YcieNQk_?format=jpg&name=small

This is the real reason Labour don’t want an election.
Tories will lose a fair few seats where they voted against their constituency wishes
, but labour will lose droves.:shrug:

[bots]

the EU are not going to give an extension date until next week, so there wont be any commitment to an election.

Also, if the EU don't give us the date requested then we have the right to contest it, so we could exit without a deal next week

[The Slim Reaper]

This is the real reason Labour don’t want an election.
Tories will lose a fair few seats where they voted against their constituency wishes
, but labour will lose droves.:shrug:

Labour have said they'll vote for a general election as soon as no deal is off the table. I'm not aiming this at you in particular, but I don't know how this continual pretence that labour is avoiding it continues to be repeated.

[arista]

the EU are not going to give an extension date until next week, so there wont be any commitment to an election


Yes the EU
are Wrong

Just say Jan 31st 2020

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes the EU
are Wrong

Just say Jan 31st 2020

The Eu have been remarkably patient and tolerant of us as half of the country ignorantly slanders them on a daily basis. They have their procedures to go through too.

[bots]

Labour have said they'll vote for a general election as soon as no deal is off the table. I'm not aiming this at you in particular, but I don't know how this continual pretence that labour is avoiding it continues to be repeated.

the labour leadership is split on a GE. Corbyn wants it, but the rest don't because of the current polls. No idea why anyone is placing any faith in polls though because at this point literally anything could happen if there were an election.

[The Slim Reaper]

the labour leadership is split on a GE. Corbyn wants it, but the rest don't because of the current polls. No idea why anyone is placing any faith in polls though because at this point literally anything could happen if there were an election.

The numbers are there as soon as no deal is off the table, but agree about the polls.

[Toy Soldier]

the labour leadership is split on a GE. Corbyn wants it, but the rest don't because of the current polls. No idea why anyone is placing any faith in polls though because at this point literally anything could happen if there were an election.

Neh. Tory majority and Brexit party gains. Anything else is extremely improbable. :shrug:

[smudgie]

Labour have said they'll vote for a general election as soon as no deal is off the table. I'm not aiming this at you in particular, but I don't know how this continual pretence that labour is avoiding it continues to be repeated.

I can see your point.
But if we have an election then Labour plus other remainers could form a coalition perhaps.:shrug:
Depending on if they get enough votes of course.
Something has to happen to sort this parliament out.

[Withano]

No party, including tories want the responsibility of Brexit in 1,5, or 10 years time.

Boris could have had his election months back if he made a simple promise but he’s Reyna be sneaky with it

[The Slim Reaper]

https://politics-punked.com/2019/10/25/the-real-project-fear-fake-news-against-johnny-foreigner/

https://politicspunkedcom.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/drip-effect.png?w=840

By James Melville.

Where does all the hatred come from? Well, pop down to your local newsagents and you can buy some hatred on a daily basis.

Our tabloid media have for decades, focused their dog whistle xenophobic propaganda against the EU and immigrants. The European Commission against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI) has previously criticised certain British media outlets, particularly tabloid newspapers, for “offensive, discriminatory and provocative terminology” against immigrants.

Sadly, it appears that many people have lost sight of the root cause of who to blame for a decline in wages, public services and the standard of living. Millions of people have been manipulated by politicians and media into mistakenly believing that their loss of hope was somehow the fault of the EU and immigrants. These messages have been hammered home by right-wing media outlets for over 20 years. And sadly, it has worked. Millions of people think that because of foreign incomers or foreign interference, they and their country have lost control. They have been told to take back control. There has been a huge diffusion from the usual suspects in politics and media to demonise the likes of the EU and immigrants to deflect from the failures of government. It is psychological projection. It is a gigantic con-trick. And tragically, it has worked.

The fake news scaremongering stories about the EU and immigrants can be traced back to a certain scruffy, wild haired, blonde, ex-Etonian who became a chief architect of Brexit and who unfathomably became our current Prime Minister. Boris Johnson may have thrown his weight behind the Leave campaign prior to the EU referendum in 2016, but his contribution to Brexit goes back more than two decades ago.

As a correspondent in Brussels for The Daily Telegraph in the early 1990s, Boris Johnson was a pioneer in cultivating disingenuous eurosceptic stories. With little regard for the truth, he wrote about the ‘unelected bureaucrats in Brussels’ scheming up directives to impose standard condom sizes and regulations on bendy bananas. He literally invented euro-bashing fake news. He turned fake news against the EU into a dark art form that is now used on a daily basis by many of our tabloids.

The EU referendum campaign itself, was a constant drip-feed of anti-EU and anti-immigration stories that were disingenuous at best and downright lying at worst, such as £350 million for the NHS and millions of Turkish people arriving in the UK. Our tabloids constantly screamed about immigration, with at least 30 negative front-page splashes in The Daily Mail in the six months leading up to the EU referendum, and 15 in The Sun. This was the real Project Fear.

The Sun, Daily Mail and Daily Express are united in their distrust and negativity towards the EU. To them, the EU exists to threaten the British way of life. Their messaging is a continued drip-feed of Britain as a plucky island nation separated physically and culturally from a ‘Johnny Foreigner’ Europe that threatens to dilute and destroy our proud traditions. For the tabloids, immigration and the opening up of our borders to Poles, Romanians and Bulgarians is simply a ruse designed by the EU to infiltrate and threaten British identity. This 20-year tabloid tactic of fear and loathing of foreigners is an appalling form of xenophobic propaganda that is based on lies, deceptions and playing upon misplaced identity insecurities. The messaging of Britain versus the outside world (in particular Europe); Britain standing alone; Britain having lost control of its borders; Britain winning wars in Europe – is an appalling con-trick designed to create xenophobic hatred and fear. It is gutter journalism of the lowest-common-denominator, where the perceived (but misplaced) fears about the loss of the nation’s independence and identity are projected onto blaming the EU and immigrants.

Britain should be looking outwards, but instead, certain sections of our media continually persist with trying to trap Britain into looking inwards. Until this cycle of fear is broken, Britain itself will remain broken and fearful.

[arista]

No party, including tories want the responsibility of Brexit in 1,5, or 10 years time.

Boris could have had his election months back if he made a simple promise but he’s Reyna be sneaky with it


We are where we are
This is a Election
not Brexit

[The Slim Reaper]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[Twosugars]

https://politics-punked.com/2019/10/25/the-real-project-fear-fake-news-against-johnny-foreigner/

https://politicspunkedcom.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/drip-effect.png?w=840

By James Melville.

Where does all the hatred come from? Well, pop down to your local newsagents and you can buy some hatred on a daily basis.

Our tabloid media have for decades, focused their dog whistle xenophobic propaganda against the EU and immigrants. The European Commission against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI) has previously criticised certain British media outlets, particularly tabloid newspapers, for “offensive, discriminatory and provocative terminology” against immigrants.

Sadly, it appears that many people have lost sight of the root cause of who to blame for a decline in wages, public services and the standard of living. Millions of people have been manipulated by politicians and media into mistakenly believing that their loss of hope was somehow the fault of the EU and immigrants. These messages have been hammered home by right-wing media outlets for over 20 years. And sadly, it has worked. Millions of people think that because of foreign incomers or foreign interference, they and their country have lost control. They have been told to take back control. There has been a huge diffusion from the usual suspects in politics and media to demonise the likes of the EU and immigrants to deflect from the failures of government. It is psychological projection. It is a gigantic con-trick. And tragically, it has worked.

The fake news scaremongering stories about the EU and immigrants can be traced back to a certain scruffy, wild haired, blonde, ex-Etonian who became a chief architect of Brexit and who unfathomably became our current Prime Minister. Boris Johnson may have thrown his weight behind the Leave campaign prior to the EU referendum in 2016, but his contribution to Brexit goes back more than two decades ago.

As a correspondent in Brussels for The Daily Telegraph in the early 1990s, Boris Johnson was a pioneer in cultivating disingenuous eurosceptic stories. With little regard for the truth, he wrote about the ‘unelected bureaucrats in Brussels’ scheming up directives to impose standard condom sizes and regulations on bendy bananas. He literally invented euro-bashing fake news. He turned fake news against the EU into a dark art form that is now used on a daily basis by many of our tabloids.

The EU referendum campaign itself, was a constant drip-feed of anti-EU and anti-immigration stories that were disingenuous at best and downright lying at worst, such as £350 million for the NHS and millions of Turkish people arriving in the UK. Our tabloids constantly screamed about immigration, with at least 30 negative front-page splashes in The Daily Mail in the six months leading up to the EU referendum, and 15 in The Sun. This was the real Project Fear.

The Sun, Daily Mail and Daily Express are united in their distrust and negativity towards the EU. To them, the EU exists to threaten the British way of life. Their messaging is a continued drip-feed of Britain as a plucky island nation separated physically and culturally from a ‘Johnny Foreigner’ Europe that threatens to dilute and destroy our proud traditions. For the tabloids, immigration and the opening up of our borders to Poles, Romanians and Bulgarians is simply a ruse designed by the EU to infiltrate and threaten British identity. This 20-year tabloid tactic of fear and loathing of foreigners is an appalling form of xenophobic propaganda that is based on lies, deceptions and playing upon misplaced identity insecurities. The messaging of Britain versus the outside world (in particular Europe); Britain standing alone; Britain having lost control of its borders; Britain winning wars in Europe – is an appalling con-trick designed to create xenophobic hatred and fear. It is gutter journalism of the lowest-common-denominator, where the perceived (but misplaced) fears about the loss of the nation’s independence and identity are projected onto blaming the EU and immigrants.

Britain should be looking outwards, but instead, certain sections of our media continually persist with trying to trap Britain into looking inwards. Until this cycle of fear is broken, Britain itself will remain broken and fearful.

Typical lie. Bc as it happened they integrated well and added another dimension to the already multicultural society. Not to mention excellent sausages in east European shops.

[The Slim Reaper]

Typical lie. Bc as it happened they integrated well and added another dimension to the already multicultural society. Not to mention excellent sausages in east European shops.

That's just what a freeloading pole would say :smug:

[The Slim Reaper]

One for Nicky

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[UserSince2005]

One for Nicky

1187696722849476608

How rude to draw Merkel so fat.

[Twosugars]

That's just what a freeloading pole would say :smug:

:smug:

[Tom4784]

Until an extension has been written into law, there shouldn't be another election. It makes me suspicious that Boris is so insistent on an election though, Brexit Party will be draining the tories of a lot of votes to the point they probably won't even get the chance at a hung government. I suppose they might be hoping that the same happens to Labour and Lib Dems and that the tories will be able to snatch a coalition with another party again.

The only other thing that makes sense (but is also very unlikely) is that the Tories want to hand over the reigns to another party so that they get the brunt of the Brexit **** while the Tories recuperate and prepare for the next election. Brexit has laid waste to the Tories and it wouldn't be surprising if they're willing to lose to plan ahead.

[arista]

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[arista]

How Stinking Rotten
of the EU to not give us a Date
of the new 3rd Extension on Monday
before any vote at 5PM , I assume.

I would not do any vote now
until the POXY EU give us a DATE
France is giving them trouble
Sort that bugger OUT.

[arista]

The SNP and LibDems agree for a General Election
3 days earlier on Dec 9th Monday

Johnson PM should do that


Sod Labour.............................


The LibDem Leader is on Marr BBC1HD 9AM

[Ammi]

‘This confirms our worst fears’: Brexit deal will allow Boris Johnson to cut workers’ rights, leak reveals...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/brexit-deal-allow-uk-cut-070936389.html

[arista]

‘This confirms our worst fears’: Brexit deal will allow Boris Johnson to cut workers’ rights, leak reveals...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/brexit-deal-allow-uk-cut-070936389.html



No Ammi that's not true

[arista]

LibDems and SNP and Conservative
can Vote for General Election on the 9th of Dec., Monday

Labour votes not needed

[michael21]

No Ammi that's not true

Its hard to tell what true and what not the trust is just not there

[bots]

‘This confirms our worst fears’: Brexit deal will allow Boris Johnson to cut workers’ rights, leak reveals...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/brexit-deal-allow-uk-cut-070936389.html

i'm a remainer, just putting that out there :laugh: ... but, the whole point of brexit is that the UK is in control. So if people feel they need better rights, they should vote for the party that wants that and put them in government. If labour think it's an issue, they can't have any confidence that they will end up in power.

[arista]

i'm a remainer, just putting that out there :laugh: ... but, the whole point of brexit is that the UK is in control. So if people feel they need better rights, they should vote for the party that wants that and put them in government. If Labour think it's an issue, they can't have any confidence that they will end up in power.



Very True
and now we do not need Labour
to get a General Election.

Conservative, SNP and LibDem
can have it on the 9th of Dec Monday

[arista]

LibDem Leader
says with SNP they will bring
this 9th Dec Monday General Election Bill on Tuesday
but she just said on Marr BBC1HD
"No Deal" will be removed
by law?

[MTVN]

i'm a remainer, just putting that out there :laugh: ... but, the whole point of brexit is that the UK is in control. So if people feel they need better rights, they should vote for the party that wants that and put them in government. If labour think it's an issue, they can't have any confidence that they will end up in power.

Agree, the idea that we need the EU to protect workers rights on our behalf is a strange one imo

From the Guardian's economics editor:

All week Labour MPs have been lining up to say that only by staying closely aligned with the EU can the socially progressive rights that Brussels has delivered be protected.

There is one problem with this idea: it is complete nonsense. Britain’s labour market has been reshaped over the past 40 years by deregulation, privatisation and anti-trade union laws, not by the limited protections delivered by the EU, which are weaker in practice than they sound in principle...This should not come as a surprise, because from its earliest days the overriding principle behind the European project has been to make life easier for capital, which is why multinational corporations like it so much. While the pro-employer bias has been there since the Treaty of Rome in 1957 it has become more pronounced in recent years as the slowdown in growth, entrenched high unemployment and the crisis in the eurozone have prompted calls for European labour markets to become more “flexible”.

Anybody who suggested to Greek workers that they should look to Brussels to protect their rights would be given short shrift. It speaks volumes that when a structural adjustment programme was imposed on Athens as the price of financial support in 2015, it was the International Monetary Fund that sought to tone down the hardline demands of the Commission and the European Central Bank, for whom the imperative was to safeguard the profits of European banks rather than to protect Greek workers.

The truth is that social Europe never delivered all that much, even in the days when the European economy was in much better shape than it is currently. That’s because a succession of EU treaties has enshrined in law four basic freedoms for business: the right to provide services; the right to establish an enterprise; the right to move capital; and the right to move labour. These freedoms trump all other considerations, including the right of workers to withdraw their labour.

...

In consequence, the only sure way to advance workers’ rights is to elect a government pledged to full employment and collective bargaining. The notion that only Brussels stands in the way of a barrage of deregulation betrays not just a misunderstanding of the way the EU operates but also a deep and irrational pessimism on the left, a belief that the Conservatives will be in power for ever no matter what they do. The left doesn’t need the EU to fight its battles. What it needs is to make the case for better working conditions and win over a public sick of a labour market loaded in favour of employers. With a bit of self-confidence it shouldn’t be that difficult.

Full article: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/24/eu-workers-rights-capital-multinationals

Also remember that in some areas like maternity leave and holiday allowance we have much stronger laws for employees than is required by the EU

[MTVN]

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[arista]

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[Kizzy]

Unable?.. she explains it a number of times, is he deaf or thick?!

[Nicky91]

One for Nicky

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:laugh3: :laugh3:

[Kizzy]

Agree, the idea that we need the EU to protect workers rights on our behalf is a strange one imo

From the Guardian's economics editor:



Also remember that in some areas like maternity leave and holiday allowance we have much stronger laws for employees than is required by the EU

And the EWTD...what of that?

[arista]

Unable?.. she explains it a number of times, is he deaf or thick?!


No Kizzy
it's the Conservatives do not trust Labour

and Labour does not trust the Conservatives


A General Election
must happen
it can change and wash away
bad MP's of every party.

[Kizzy]

No Kizzy
it's the Conservatives do not trust Labour

and Labour does not trust the Conservatives


A General Election
must happen
it can change and wash away
bad MP's of every party.
What's this to do with the reasonings Labour have given for not wanting an election yet?

It's been said countless times why Corbyn won't agree till no deal is off the table .. are some being deliberately thick not acknowledging this important factor?

Diane Abbot explained it concisely and yet it's not been understood :/

[Twosugars]

The whole page is fooked bc yet again Arista can't be arsed to resize his images

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EH6qagNXUAgPsfn?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

The whole page is fooked bc yet again Arista can't be arsed to resize his images


I deleted image for you

[arista]

EU Tusk has now agreed a Extension
for Brexit under the FlexExtension Jan 31st 2020

[arista]

General Election
via Conservative /LibDem/ SNP
vote possible on Tuesday.

No Labour Poxy Votes needed
to get this Election.

[Kizzy]

Is no deal off the table yet?....
If not we won't be leaving in Jan either.

Think of all the millions spent on his pie in the sky no deal Halloween brexit... what a pathetic PM! As soon as the no deal risk is eliminated get the rabid tories out!!

[arista]

Is no deal off the table yet?....
If not we won't be leaving in Jan either.

Think of all the millions spent on his pie in the sky no deal Halloween brexit... what a pathetic PM! As soon as the no deal risk is eliminated get the rabid tories out!!



No not yet.
It will need to be
to get the LibDem /SNP
General Election for the 9th Dec. Monday

No Labour votes needed

[Kizzy]

No not yet.
It will need to be
to get the LibDem /SNP
General Election for the 9th Dec. Monday

No Labour votes needed

Well that's all Labour want too... That's all they're waiting for :/

Once that's confirmed it will be all systems go for a GE. Suddenly that's what the lib dems want too and it's great.. but hang on last week that's not what they wanted at all. And pepole say Labour aren't consistent! Pffft!

[bots]

no deal is off the table this week, of course it is. The EU gave us the extension requested, so there is plenty time for an election. Anyone not agreeing to an election now is running scared.

[Kizzy]

no deal is off the table this week, of course it is. The EU gave us the extension requested, so there is plenty time for an election. Anyone not agreeing to an election now is running scared.

Oh this is another of bots esoteric knowledge things.. how come you know things others don't? How long has no deal been off the table for good?

[bots]

no deal is off the table for now because we have an extension to 31st January. If labour had any confidence of winning a majority in the commons via a GE they would now jump at the chance. The fact is they are running scared, not willing to vote for anything but happy to criticise everything. They have become the unelectable joke party.

[arista]

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and

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EH9aVhmWkAAuKGR?format=jpg&name=360x360

[Kizzy]

'I would rather die in a ditch!'

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHqLAmlXkAE2aCE?format=jpg&name=small

[Cherie]

must be cold in that ditch

[bots]

The only good thing about the last few weeks is that it has shown up Boris for the fool he is

[The Slim Reaper]

The only good thing about the last few weeks is that it has shown up Boris for the fool he is

Who will you vote for in the election?

[bots]

Who will you vote for in the election?

i wont be voting labour and i wont be voting tory. The lib dems may get my vote but i'm yet to be convinced

[Toy Soldier]

Who will you vote for in the election?I reckon you should all just vote for Wee Nic. We'll annex and rule with dignity from Edinburgh.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EH9kwf0WwAAOK29?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[The Slim Reaper]

i wont be voting labour and i wont be voting tory. The lib dems may get my vote but i'm yet to be convinced

Lets just say Swinson is the tory she always was, then what? Or what happens if she doesn't convince you?

Who you voting for then?

If you are the remainer you say you are, then you have 2 choices, one of which you've already ruled out, and the other has work to do to get your vote.

[arista]

Lets just say Swinson is the tory she always was, then what? Or what happens if she doesn't convince you?

Who you voting for then?

If you are the remainer you say you are, then you have 2 choices, one of which you've already ruled out, and the other has work to do to get your vote.



No she has Changed
Slim
And you know that

[The Slim Reaper]

No she has Changed
Slim
And you know that

No she hasn't. She voted with tories more times than tories, and on their most harmful policies to the country, so explain how she has changed, please.


To be clear, I understand why remainers would vote LD at the next election, especially as Corbyn has been terrible on brexit.

[Kizzy]

i wont be voting labour and i wont be voting tory. The lib dems may get my vote but i'm yet to be convinced

Then we'll have the condem alliance again so no change...

[Cherie]

Will have to wait for policies to see if anyone sways me, but I don't trust any of them at this point so may need to spoil my vote or abstain

[arista]

No she hasn't. She voted with tories more times than tories, and on their most harmful policies to the country, so explain how she has changed, please.


To be clear, I understand why remainers would vote LD at the next election, especially as Corbyn has been terrible on brexit.


Sure 2010-2015

But its 2019 NOW
she has changed

[Tom4784]

I'm really undecided, I'd sooner swallow battery acid then vote for Tories or Brexit Party, Labour is uninspiring, I don't really think repeating the referendum will get us out of this mess so I'm not gonna vote for Lib Dems (Plus the way they sold their souls in the condem coalition put me off them forever). I agree a lot with Green but a vote for them is basically the same as ripping up the ballot.

It may have to be Labour simply because it's the only viable option but I'm just very.... meh.... about all the parties at the moment.

[The Slim Reaper]

Sure 2010-2015

But its 2019 NOW
she has changed

You've just written the same words differently. Any examples?

[arista]

I'm really undecided, I'd sooner swallow battery acid then vote for Tories or Brexit Party, Labour is uninspiring, I don't really think repeating the referendum will get us out of this mess so I'm not gonna vote for Lib Dems (Plus the way they sold their souls in the condem coalition put me off them forever). I agree a lot with Green but a vote for them is basically the same as ripping up the ballot.

It may have to be Labour simply because it's the only viable option but I'm just very.... meh.... about all the parties at the moment.

Yes do not ever do that
Labour could win it

[Cherie]

I'm really undecided, I'd sooner swallow battery acid then vote for Tories or Brexit Party, Labour is uninspiring, I don't really think repeating the referendum will get us out of this mess so I'm not gonna vote for Lib Dems (Plus the way they sold their souls in the condem coalition put me off them forever). I agree a lot with Green but a vote for them is basically the same as ripping up the ballot.

It may have to be Labour simply because it's the only viable option but I'm just very.... meh.... about all the parties at the moment.

The Lib Dems policy is to revoke

Labour is 2nd ref

[Cherie]

It's possible it could be a Lib Dem/Lab coalition if they get their act together and get their policies right

[arista]

The Lib Dems policy is to revoke

Labour is 2nd ref


Yes after some months
A Referendum
with a New Labour Deal to leave and Remain.

[Tom4784]

The Lib Dems policy is to revoke

Labour is 2nd ref

Lib Dems will slide over to 2nd referendum as they'll never be able to revoke it, if the options are the same then I'd prefer Labour out of the two since I don't think they would actually get a second referendum off the ground but they'd strike no deal dead for certain.

When it comes to Brexit, No deal is the only option that must be completely obliterated.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EH9r8roWwAA7I0m?format=jpg&name=small

Get your hand lotion ready, Arista.

[The Slim Reaper]

I know this won't matter to brexiteers, but seriously ask yourselves if you think this is the right way for a country to go, especially with a PM like Johnson.

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[arista]

BBC Reports
Labour will not Tonight Vote
on Johnson PM Election 12th Dec.
so expected to not enough numbers

So Johnson will agree with LibDem /SNP vote
on the 9th Dec Monday General Election
tomorrow evening.

[arista]

Corbyn is Live

Johnson PM has spoken already

All media

[Nicky91]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EH9r8roWwAA7I0m?format=jpg&name=small

Get your hand lotion ready, Arista.

leavin with a no deal, we won't see britain again

October 31, will go in history books when europe finally got rid of britain :clap1: and even better with a no deal which is disastrous for britain

[arista]

Nicky
31st of Jan 2020 is the date now

[arista]

The Vote for the 12th of Dec by Johnson PM

Yes 299
No 70


Although its Win.
The Speaker said it is No Enough Votes for a Win.
So its a No for the 12th.


So
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[arista]

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[arista]

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[bots]

labour have just made themselves look scared of having an election. The short bill will get the simple majority required (even if it is on a slightly different date) making labour look more stupid than they already are.

[arista]

Labour have just made themselves look scared of having an election. The short bill will get the simple majority required (even if it is on a slightly different date) making labour look more stupid than they already are.



Yes Labour must understand
Johnson PM now wants a mandate
And I agree with that
Walking to a December Voting place
is not so bad even if the weather is fowl.



Bring it On

[arista]

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Clever Remix Vince of WWE
but with Corbyn's head.

[arista]

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Back Bench Labour MP
Anti Brexit.

[Toy Soldier]

The party leaders don't matter much for any upcoming election, the ballot is about Brexit and people will vote based on their Brexit wishes. It could be a carrot and an egg in the leadership positions and it would barely affect the outcome.

[bots]

i hope the monster raving loony party are putting up candidates across the UK. i have a feeling they could do very well

[Cherie]

The party leaders don't matter much for any upcoming election, the ballot is about Brexit and people will vote based on their Brexit wishes. It could be a carrot and an egg in the leadership positions and it would barely affect the outcome.

Unfortunately remain voters are stuck between a rock and hard place with Corbyn or Swinson, neither of whom have a stance that is very believable, a peoples vote would be so much clearer

[Toy Soldier]

Unfortunately remain voters are stuck between a rock and hard place with Corbyn or Swinson, neither of whom have a stance that is very believable, a peoples vote would be so much clearer

Lib Dem is going to split the Labour vote in England and Tories will get an easy majority. Scotland will vote heavily SNP. We barely need an election, the outcome is inevitable :joker:.

[Cherie]

Lib Dem is going to split the Labour vote in England and Tories will get an easy majority. Scotland will vote heavily SNP. We barely need an election, the outcome is inevitable :joker:.

I think the Brexit Party will split the Tories so we could end up with a hung parliament with literally any combination :hehe:

[Toy Soldier]

I think the Brexit Party will split the Tories so we could end up with a hung parliament with literally any combination :hehe:

The only realistic way for Labour to get into power is to go into a three-way coalition with LibDem and SNP. I think SNP would go against their usual path and agree to one to get the Tories out - but they'd make IndyRef2 a condition of the pact. I doubt Labour would accept those terms as it would be seen as giving a "green light" to the break up of the UK, which they won't want to do... and I can't see SNP entering a full coalition without that promise.

[arista]

People are already sick of this crap. Let us enjoy Christmas and start again in the new year.


Sadly Slim
you are WONG


Labour now
Demands a General Election in December

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-to-back-early-general-election-11848188

Feel The Force

[Beso]

Election on wedensday the 11th.

[arista]

Election on wedensday the 11th.


Yes thats one date that is possible

Also Thursday 12th possible

[bots]

i think the variations in brexit between the tories and the brexit party, and then the variations on ref/revoke make this a very difficult election to predict. Also, elections are weird, what party's think is the key issue often isn't what decides things as something else pops out (like May and her treatment of the elderly in the last election). All I want is for it to come out with a conclusive result and be over quickly.

[Liam-]

With the Brexit party taking votes from the Tories and Lib Dem’s taking away from Labour, it’s going to be a touchy election to fight, I think it’s inevitable that we’ll end up with a Tory/BXP coalition and then we’re well and truly ****ed

[arista]

With the Brexit party taking votes from the Tories and Lib Dem’s taking away from Labour, it’s going to be a touchy election to fight, I think it’s inevitable that we’ll end up with a Tory/BXP coalition and then we’re well and truly ****ed


Hang on
Labour Leave Zones
vote Brexit Party
they have loads of New paying members


Great General Election
Many bad MP's get Washed away
From Labour , LibDem, Indie Group, SNP , Conservative
and others



A Vote will now go through Today
in Parliament as Labour Demand a December Election
he is read to go.

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[arista]

Dumb Barry Shearman MP
was just live on SkyNewsHD
does not want this December Election

But All of Corbyns cabinet do

[MTVN]

The Brexit party might get a small vote share but I highly doubt they will win any seats, a good chunk of their support has already drifted back to the Tories anyway

[Oliver_W]

I'm not sure how this will go tbh ... If May's snap election had happened instantly, the Tories would easily have a comfortable majority. But during the campaigns she machine gunned herself in the foot, while Corbyn was still fresh and managed to seem not like a joke, so as the date crept nearer it was obvious more people would vote for their Labour MPs.

This one? It's harder to call; Corbyn's shine has worn off a bit, and I think people still like Boris. But I also think people are sick of the perceived austerity, and think Corbyn will be the one to fix it.

My guess would be another coalition, with the coalescence giving whoever the PM is about 55% of the house, rather than a strong majority.

[arista]

Labour's Stella Creasy MP
Has chucked a spanner in the works
Live Parliament.
She wants Amendments

It appears Corbyn
can not control his MP's?

[arista]

Creasy MP WON

Yes 312
No 295


Amendments are now being put forward

[arista]

The PM is talking Live in Parliament
now

[Toy Soldier]

The Brexit party might get a small vote share but I highly doubt they will win any seats, a good chunk of their support has already drifted back to the Tories anyway

For the Tories that's the worst possible scenario, as it'll mean votes syphoned away from their candidate "for no reason". If I was Brexit-minded, I'd be advising the Brexit Party not to field a candidate at all unless they are confident that candidate CAN win the seat.

[Toy Soldier]

I just saw a Sun article stating that a Tory victory is a dead cert because of flat %age opinion polls on the parties :facepalm:. I'm sure they KNOW that's not how the UK electoral system works, it's flat out ridiculous that they're blatantly trying to miseducate their readers into thinking that it is.

[arista]

Corbyn is now Live
He Wants a General Election

As no deal is now removed

[Tom4784]

If the Brexit party play up that Boris is an incompetent leader that can't take them out of the EU like they did with May then they could be a real threat to Tories. Nigel Farage is a twat but he knows how to rile up likeminded individuals to vote the way he wants them too and I doubt his ego would allow him to not field candidates wherever he can.

[Toy Soldier]

Honestly it's such a farce.

"OK you have 3 additional months to sort out Brexit..."
"Great!"
"Are you going to use that time to actually put some sort of plan together that is workable?"
"Nah we're going to have a GE and then probs a holiday and we'll be back on January 25th."

[Toy Soldier]

If the Brexit party play up that Boris is an incompetent leader that can't take them out of the EU like they did with May then they could be a real threat to Tories. Nigel Farage is a twat but he knows how to rile up likeminded individuals to vote the way he wants them too and I doubt his ego would allow him to not field candidates wherever he can.

To be fair, UKIP never put any sort of dent in the voting even at the height of all of this, pre or post referendum, and despite the party line... I think even Sun readers realise that Brexit party is just UKIP 2.0. Farage being the face of it will likely confuse a lot of them into thinking that it's literally the same party with a new name :think:.

[Tom4784]

To be fair, UKIP never put any sort of dent in the voting even at the height of all of this, pre or post referendum, and despite the party line... I think even Sun readers realise that Brexit party is just UKIP 2.0. Farage being the face of it will likely confuse a lot of them into thinking that it's literally the same party with a new name :think:.

If they can replicate even part of the success that Farage had when he fronted UKIP, the tories should be worried. They're also dealing with the fallout of May's reign to boot.

Of course, if that happens we run the risk of a Brexit/Tory coalition which is the worst case scenario.

[Oliver_W]

tbh I don't think No Deal should be taken off the table - not because I want to leave with No Deal, but so we have an extra hand to play when it comes to negotiating with the EU.

To be fair, UKIP never put any sort of dent in the voting even at the height of all of this, pre or post referendum, and despite the party line... I think even Sun readers realise that Brexit party is just UKIP 2.0. Farage being the face of it will likely confuse a lot of them into thinking that it's literally the same party with a new name :think:.

Isn't it though? My impression was that Farage didn't like the way extremiists were attached to UKIP, so formed this second party? For all the good it did :joker:

[bots]

Honestly it's such a farce.

"OK you have 3 additional months to sort out Brexit..."
"Great!"
"Are you going to use that time to actually put some sort of plan together that is workable?"
"Nah we're going to have a GE and then probs a holiday and we'll be back on January 25th."

At least they can't do anything bad in that time :laugh:

[Tom4784]

No deal should never be on the table when you have the likes of Boris acting on behalf of his masters trying to do everything he can to force it through despite the ramfications it'll have for most of the country. They cannot be trusted, Boris pretty much sank his own deal in order to force no deal and he'd do that and more if the option was on the table.

[arista]

How Stupid of those Labour Rebels
to put a amendment for all
England Young 16 year old to vote.

Its been reported that the Dpt. Speaker
in charge will not allow that
As it takes 6months to set up


The SNP said yesterday
it may not have time to fit in 16years old votes in England


It can not be done in 6 weeks
is the Valid point.

[Twosugars]

I hope this election bill fails :fc:

[The Slim Reaper]

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Anyone drawing false equivalence between the 2 main parties, need to listen to what Corbyn has been saying he wants to change about our society, versus what the tories have actually done to get us here.

[The Slim Reaper]

How Stupid of those Labour Rebels
to put a amendment for all
England Young 16 year old to vote.

Its been reported that the Dpt. Speaker
in charge will not allow that
As it takes 6months to set up


The SNP said yesterday
it may not have time to fit in 16years old votes in England


It can not be done in 6 weeks
is the Valid point.

So then make it 10 weeks, or 12 weeks, or 15 weeks. This is an unnecessary timetable forced on us by Johnson for his own goals and agenda. We were given another extension to sort out brexit, and instead the tories are using this one as they did the last, for themselves.

[Twosugars]

EU citizens are already on the electoral register so let them vote :dance:

[arista]

The Vote is Delayed

[Beso]

So can we all shut up about brexit now and just wait and vote?

[arista]

Yes 295
No 315


Vote to change the Date the 9th.

A Loss


Vote the 12th it will be

[arista]

Another Vote
3rd Reading

[arista]

Yes 438
No 20

A Win For the General Election.

[arista]

People are already sick of this crap. Let us enjoy Christmas and start again in the new year.



The Election is ON


Dec the 12th


Slim You are WRONG

[Twosugars]

:sleep:
Already bored of it

[arista]

:sleep:
Already bored of it



Who will you Vote for?
LibDems ?

[Toy Soldier]

Who will you Vote for?

2S is voting SNP obviously.

[Braden]

Here we go.

Hold on to your knickers, girls!

[Vanessa]

If i get the chance to vote, I think I will. This is important, we should all have our say.

[Twosugars]

Who will you Vote for?
LibDems ?

My vote doesnt matter bc we're in a safe labour seat anyway

All thanks to your bloody fptp system :fist:

[Twosugars]

2S is voting SNP obviously.

I wish

[Denver]

There is genuinely no party worth voting for

[Denver]

Lib Dems are the worse party to vote for as they have confirmed they dont believe in Democracy

[Ammi]

...we have two main parties which are unfit for purpose and we have to decide which one will rule our kingdom in our time of EU banishment...who stole our happy ever after...:sad:...


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[bots]

Where I live is in the top 5 safest tory seats in the country so there is absolutely no point in me bothering to vote :fist:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[bots]

Now i need a plan for how to avoid 5 weeks of pointless and infuriating campaigning :umm2:

[arista]

Now i need a plan for how to avoid 5 weeks of pointless and infuriating campaigning :umm2:

Valid Point Sir.


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[James]

I don't get the argument about it not being worth voting if you live in a safe seat. If enough people in your constituency share your opinion about who to vote for you will get that MP.

If anything it's not worth voting because you only have one vote out of about 70,000, and even then your vote carries far more weight in the constituency system than if it was a nation-wide system with millions of votes that decided the election, like a referendum.

[bots]

I don't get the argument about it not being worth voting if you live in a safe seat. If enough people in your constituency share your opinion about who to vote for you will get that MP.

If anything it's not worth voting because you only have one vote out of about 70,000, and even then your vote carries far more weight in the constituency system than if it was a nation-wide system with millions of votes that decided the election, like a referendum.

if you look at the election night swingometer thingy. By my living in a top 5 tory seat, the tories would need to be down to a handful of mp's in the commons for my seat to go to another party. At which point the tories would be finished anyway :laugh:

[arista]

If i get the chance to vote, I think I will. This is important, we should all have our say.


That's the Spirit

[Ammi]

...we’re already a broken family with half of the country as Remainers and half of the country as Brexiters....trying to go forward from that has been impossible so far...so now we’re being asked to choose which parent we want to live with..and that’s meant to heal the country in some way or make us stronger..?..when it will just be more damaging ...this is all just more self serving and ego driven political parenting games of placing themselves first...

[arista]

Its a Gamble for the Conservatives
but Ammi you can not blame them.
He can not govern on his low number MP's.

It was the SNP and LibDems
that jumped first for this General Election
as they just want to expand
Forcing Labour to join in, fast , yesterday

[Ammi]

...David Cameron leading the way for successful Conservative gambles, Arista..?...oh....

[Ammi]

...they’re only having to take this gamble because it’s impossible for them to sort out their mess from the last gamble...they need to put their gambling gloves away tbh ...and realise they’re hopeless at it...

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIEsSinX0AEGwnZ?format=jpg&name=small

This Leader indie party MP (Former Conservative)
does not want a Election
as she will get washed away...............................

[The Slim Reaper]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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The tory party, folks.

[arista]

...they’re only having to take this gamble because it’s impossible for them to sort out their mess from the last gamble...they need to put their gambling gloves away tbh ...and realise they’re hopeless at it...


Sure you can say that.
Dominic Cummings will not agree with you
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBO3u9cXsAAghlQ?format=jpg&name=medium

[Kazanne]

If i get the chance to vote, I think I will. This is important, we should all have our say.

We will be voting Ness, whatever the weather.

[Kazanne]

Its a Gamble for the Conservatives
but Ammi you can not blame them.
He can not govern on his low number MP's.

It was the SNP and LibDems
that jumped first for this General Election
as they just want to expand
Forcing Labour to join in, fast , yesterday

Exactly and Johnson has tried so hard to get Brexit done ,never mind all the jibes about him 'dying in a ditch' don't forget he said he would 'rather' but people still hang on to that,the remain MPs wouldn't allow the will of the people,it was they who effed the vote up , as for Corbyn and his uturn I have no words I can post anyway. :wavey:

[Cherie]

We will be voting Ness, whatever the weather.

I think Ness means because she is an EU citizen, they have not had a vote in the past but are likely to have one this time round, I think! don't quote me

[Vanessa]

I think Ness means because she is an EU citizen, they have not had a vote in the past but are likely to have one this time round, I think! don't quote me

Yes, so far we have not been able to vote.

[Cherie]

Yes, so far we have not been able to vote.

Is there a suggestion that will change?

[Toy Soldier]

1189331628033761281

His face tho.

https://en.meming.world/images/en/thumb/2/2c/Surprised_Pikachu_HD.jpg/300px-Surprised_Pikachu_HD.jpg

[Vanessa]

Is there a suggestion that will change?

Not sure. It might do. They're voting on it.

[Vanessa]

I have registered to vote anyway. Just in case.

[arista]

Amber Rude MP is not standing in the Election.
Wise of her.

[The Slim Reaper]

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Anyone got a positive reason to vote for the conservatives?

[Liam-]

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Anyone got a positive reason to vote for the conservatives?

‘ThEy’Re FiGhTiNg FoR nOrMaL wOrKiNg cLaSs PeOpLe’

There is literally nothing redeeming about the party in its current state, they’ve decimated the country for the past decade and always seem to get away with it? I don’t know how a large proportion of the country could survive another decade under their rule tbh

[The Slim Reaper]

‘ThEy’Re FiGhTiNg FoR nOrMaL wOrKiNg cLaSs PeOpLe’

There is literally nothing redeeming about the party in its current state, they’ve decimated the country for the past decade and always seem to get away with it? I don’t know how a large proportion of the country could survive another decade under their rule tbh

Never fear, I'm sure Arista will post another cartoon in a minute that will explain it all.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Twosugars]

Not sure. It might do. They're voting on it.

It was rejected before it got to a vote.

[Oliver_W]

Tbh I don't think zero hours contracts should be banned - supply teachers and bank nurses are basically on them, as are other agency workers.

[arista]

The PM is Live
in parliament in PMQ's

[arista]

First Question is about Fracking
and how Labour is going to BAN it..........................

The PM will have to match that?

[Denver]

I dont get why people want Lib Dems in when they said they will end democracy

[arista]

I dont get why people want Lib Dems in when they said they will end democracy


Yes they are taking a bigger gamble

[The Slim Reaper]

I dont get why people want Lib Dems in when they said they will end democracy

What on earth are you on about? I don't like the lib dems, but this is BS

[Denver]

What on earth are you on about? I don't like the lib dems, but this is BS

They have said f they get in charge they will cancel Brexit without informing the public therefore meaning 52% of the people who voted will be told your vote s not accepted unless its what we want

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Denver]

i dnt see how people expect labour to get people out of poverty when they have said they will borrow excessive amounts inside f trying to make money

[arista]

"Handing the NHS to Trump"

Thats not true
Slim.

[The Slim Reaper]

They have said f they get in charge they will cancel Brexit without informing the public therefore meaning 52% of the people who voted will be told your vote s not accepted unless its what we want

Just the fact you're quoting them telling us, means they have informed the public, but that's not cancelling democracy in any way. The referendum was advisory, not law.

Boris Johnson has tried many times since becoming pm, to actually try and subvert a democratically elected parliament, but still, those lib dems ay?

[The Slim Reaper]

"Handing the NHS to Trump"

Thats not true
Slim.

You know it is if you're honest with yourself. We'll be without any trade deals and desperate. BJ won't want to look like he screwed the pooch, so he'll make a deal with the US a priority.

The US will pull our pants down and take everything they want, because we'll have no other option.

[Denver]

If you send something to the public vote then you do what the public say whether you agree or not,

I expect the tories to gain a fair bit and labour to lose seats

[Denver]

The Lib Dems are ore dangerous to labour then the Brexit party is to the tories

[The Slim Reaper]

If you send something to the public vote then you do what the public say whether you agree or not,

I expect the tories to gain a fair bit and labour to lose seats

That's not advisory means. We don't need to force harm on ourselves for ideological stupidity.

[The Slim Reaper]

What voting for Johnson actually means.

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A man sacked twice for lying and doesn't believe honesty is necessary.

[The Slim Reaper]

If you send something to the public vote then you do what the public say whether you agree or not,

I expect the tories to gain a fair bit and labour to lose seats

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[arista]

You know it is if you're honest with yourself. We'll be without any trade deals and desperate. BJ won't want to look like he screwed the pooch, so he'll make a deal with the US a priority.

The US will pull our pants down and take everything they want, because we'll have no other option.



We have to see.
Brexit has to happen first

[Denver]

That's not advisory means. We don't need to force harm on ourselves for ideological stupidity.
if they cancel the votes then the country will genuinely become a war zone, there will be riots and fighting and tbh lack of care

[Liam-]

We have to see.
Brexit has to happen first

Tory representatives have already been having meetings with American pharmaceutical companies, it’s not that much of a stretch to believe that the next step is handing parts of the NHS to the US, privatised healthcare will kill millions in this country and it’ll be on the Tories hands.

[The Slim Reaper]

We have to see.
Brexit has to happen first

It's too late by then and you know it. In one post you've gone from "you are wrong" to "we have to see".

You know full well what will happen.

[The Slim Reaper]

if they cancel the votes then the country will genuinely become a war zone, there will be riots and fighting and tbh lack of care

If you ask someone for advice, and they give you that advice, but you choose to ignore it, do they have the right to come round your house and smash all your stuff up?

To be clear, I don't think we should just revoke without a peoples vote but your logic is shaky.

You think there won't be riots when people are losing their jobs or can't get medical treatment?

[Toy Soldier]

Tory representatives have already been having meetings with American pharmaceutical companies, it’s not that much of a stretch to believe that the next step is handing parts of the NHS to the US, privatised healthcare will kill millions in this country and it’ll be on the Tories hands.

I work in a 3rd sector "healthcare adjacent" role that involves having a quite in-depth knowledge of which service providers are operating out of which hospitals and clinics.

Privatisation is already happening right under our noses.

[edited to add] In England and Wales that is, thankfully (for now) the structure of the Scottish NHS is still mostly intact.

Which is why in scotland -whether one wants independence or not-, everyone should continue to vote SNP. Devolution is providing a massive safety net.

[Oliver_W]

Isn't American health insurance slightly cheaper than National Insurance, on average? If NI were slashed it might be worth it.

[The Slim Reaper]

Isn't American health insurance slightly cheaper than National Insurance, on average? If NI were slashed it might be worth it.

No. Americans pay the most per capita of any country in the west, and their insurance system still leaves them with huge medical bills even if they have that insurance.

Take the Ariana bombing event; In America, in the days following that attack the insurance companies would have saddled the grieving families with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of medical debt.

They also have max amounts; so if you're suffering a long term illness like cancer, you can have your care taken away because your insurance provider won't pay any more money for your treatment.