General Election on Thursday Dec 12th : Conservative Win

[Cherie]

Have any of the other manifestos been published, arista?

No, so I see this forthcoming ITV head to head with possibly Jo Swinson joining as she gets a decision tomorrow as pretty pointless, as the only thing they can debate on is Brexit and we all know where they stand on that

[arista]

No, so I see this forthcoming ITV head to head with possibly Jo Swinson joining as she gets a decision tomorrow as pretty pointless, as the only thing they can debate on is Brexit and we all know where they stand on that


Both SNP and LibDem
claim to going to court.


ITV say its the PM and Corbyn only.

[Cherie]

Both SNP and LibDem
claim to going to court.


ITV say its the PM and Corbyn only.

Jo Swinson said this morning a decision is due from the High Court tomorrow, not that it matters, they don't have their manifesto out either :laugh:

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

He hasn't changed his mind as said the broadband idea wouldn't be able to get off the ground if we stayed in.

[arista]

He hasn't changed his mind as said the broadband idea wouldn't be able to get off the ground if we stayed in.


Yes EU Laws could stop it.
reports all saying that.

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

i swear this labour are the single worst opposition party in political history

you could not make up how useless they are in opposition

[arista]

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[Ammi]

General election: Boris Johnson condemned after Tommy Robinson endorses him for general election...


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/general-election-boris-johnson-condemned-155043646.html



...I guess that Donald Trump’s condemnation after the Klu Klux Klan endorsed him, didn’t harm him in the election...but hey ho...

[Cherie]

Tommy wont be too happy if we have a trade deal with Pakistan, he is just coming down on the side he thinks is more likely to win

[arista]

General election: Boris Johnson condemned after Tommy Robinson endorses him for general election...


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/general-election-boris-johnson-condemned-155043646.html



...I guess that Donald Trump’s condemnation after the Klu Klux Klan endorsed him, didn’t harm him in the election...but hey ho...



Johnson has No Control over who backs him.

[Ammi]

Johnson has No Control over who backs him.

....hmmmm, I would have said with the accusations of islamiphobia that his party has had laid at them ...the wise thing would have been to reject the endorsement...perhaps he’s not most wise, Arista...I’m thinking that a change of PM for a most wise one would be just the thing...

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Kizzy]

What are we paying for? Tax cuts for the rich, so effectively should we vote tory we'll be putting our kids in exactly the same position we are in now.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What are we paying for? Tax cuts for the rich, so effectively should we vote tory we'll be putting our kids in exactly the same position we are in now.

who are "the rich?"

:conf:

[Kizzy]

who are "the rich?"

:conf:

What do you want here an annual salary as an example?
It it well known that conservatives have a history if cropping tax for the highest earners, this is what my post referenced.
There is no specific figure, person or organisation.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What do you want here an annual salary as an example?
It it well known that conservatives have a history if cropping tax for the highest earners, this is what my post referenced.
There is no specific figure, person or organisation.

you do know that people who create all the jobs for the masses tend to be better paid?

[arista]

Johnson is Live at the
London CBI

All leaders are are there today
Corbyn is next.


Johnson snipped
Andrew Marr did not much luck with Corbyn.
(referring to Corbyn's 2nd vote)

[Kizzy]

you do know that people who create all the jobs for the masses tend to be better paid?

What has what they get paid got to do with how much they or their companies pay in tax?

[Kizzy]

Johnson is Live at the
London CBI

All leaders are are there today
Corbyn is next.


Johnson snipped
Andrew Marr did not much luck with Corbyn.
(referring to Corbyn's 2nd vote)
He only had a few mins to make his pitch and he had to get a snipe in...what a weak and pathetic man boris is, just shows how wholly unsuitable for the role of pm. About as statesman like as Johnny Vegas.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He only had a few mins to make his pitch and he had to get a snipe in...what a weak and pathetic man boris is, just shows how wholly unsuitable for the role of pm. About as statesman like as Johnny Vegas.

He is PM

he won

he has also been Mayor of London


he is one of our most successful Politicians

[Kizzy]

He is PM

he won

he has also been Mayor of London


he is one of our most successful Politicians
I disagree he's one of our most aggressively ambitious politicIans, who has lied and bullied to get where he is.
He leaves a string of failed projects in his wake, a hard bremit being by far the most costly.

[Livia]

A ferocious backlash was growing today against “crazy” plans from Labour to part-nationalise BT and give away its broadband services for free.

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell’s claim that it would cost only £20 billion was ripped apart by BT Group’s chief executive who said the true price tag would be close to £100 billion.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/general-election-news-ferocious-backlash-growing-against-labours-crazy-plan-to-partnationalise-bt-a4288161.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

I disagree he's one of our most aggressively ambitious politicIans, who has lied and bullied to get where he is.
He leaves a string of failed projects in his wake, a hard bremit being by far the most costly.

you dont get to the top by being unambitious :joker:

[Kizzy]

you dont get to the top by being unambitious :joker:

Who said you did?

[Kizzy]

A ferocious backlash was growing today against “crazy” plans from Labour to part-nationalise BT and give away its broadband services for free.

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell’s claim that it would cost only £20 billion was ripped apart by BT Group’s chief executive who said the true price tag would be close to £100 billion.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/general-election-news-ferocious-backlash-growing-against-labours-crazy-plan-to-partnationalise-bt-a4288161.html
Not vested interests protecting shareholders and bonuses? ... was not expecting that.

[arista]

Corbyn is Now Live
at the CBI

[arista]

He only had a few mins to make his pitch and he had to get a snipe in...what a weak and pathetic man boris is, just shows how wholly unsuitable for the role of pm. About as statesman like as Johnny Vegas.


Yes But
some view Labour
as taxing so many Rich
that will leave the UK.
Thus closing down their Business
as they leave.....................................

[Livia]

Yes But
some view Labour
as taxing so many Rich
that will leave the UK.
Thus closing down their Business
as they leave.....................................

Right arista. People bang on about shares and the rich. Lots of BT shareholders are ex-workers in retirement. My Mum has BT shares, my parents didn't even own a house when she got them. But **** 'em, the capitalists.

[bots]

I remember when labour last tried hiking the tax up for the big earners. They put it up to 98% and they all just moved overseas. The same will happen again. Why stay in a country where you earn 2 pence in every pound you make.

[Kizzy]

Right arista. People bang on about shares and the rich. Lots of BT shareholders are ex-workers in retirement. My Mum has BT shares, my parents didn't even own a house when she got them. But **** 'em, the capitalists.

Maybe I should clarify ...major shareholders, not the ex workers who were duped with a couple of hundred quids worth as a bribe before a national company was floated on the stock market like BT and the post office.

[Kizzy]

Yes But
some view Labour
as taxing so many Rich
that will leave the UK.
Thus closing down their Business
as they leave.....................................

Many businesses will leave regardless... if this is a European base for a company they will be going anyway, if others are here to exploit tax loopholes they can go too. People pay tax relative to their income, business should too, it's not hard :/

[Livia]

I remember when labour last tried hiking the tax up for the big earners. They put it up to 98% and they all just moved overseas. The same will happen again. Why stay in a country where you earn 2 pence in every pound you make.

Well, at least it'll get rid of a lot of the rich people that people on the left hate with such fervour.

I remember being shocked when Labour introduced tuition fees. Yeah, the Tories raised them... but Labour introduced them.

[Kizzy]

Personally I love rich people..who pay their fair share in taxes.
I see tuition fees have come up I'm assuming it's the obligatory whataboutism these conversations generate.
That was new Labour. . This is new old labour, much better.

[arista]

Johnson PM
announced at the CBI this morning
that Corporation Tax will not get
the Cut , as that money will go the NHS

[arista]

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[arista]

The LibDem
Leader is now Live at the CBI London.

[arista]

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[Beso]

Hope they ain't expecting a bagel when it's over.

[The Slim Reaper]

5 more years, 5 more years

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2416737/Michael-Gove-food-banks-Poor-got-blame.html

Poor forced to use food banks? They've only got themselves to blame for making bad decisions, says Michael Gove


Education Secretary says families are 'unable to manage their finances'
More than half a million people have turned to food banks, charities say
Labour condemn minister's remarks as 'insulting and out of touch'

Families become so poor they are forced to turn to food banks because of their own ‘decisions’, Michael Gove has claimed.

The Education Secretary argued that people who find themselves unable to buy essentials, including food and school uniforms have themselves to blame for being unable ‘to manage their finances’.

The remarks were condemned by Labour and ‘insulting and out of touch’.

More than half a million people across Britain have turned to food banks to stave off hunger, according to charities.

Ministers have previously argued that a surge in demand has in part been fuelled by jobcentre staff being allowed to refer the unemployed to food banks for help.

Cuts to benefits, frozen or falling wages and rising living costs have been blamed in part for some people struggling to make ends meet.

Mr Gove was challenged over reports that one in four parents are having to borrow to pay for school uniforms and some food banks were distributing uniforms to struggling parents.

He said he had recently visited a food bank in his Surrey Health constituency.

But he suggested that many cash-strapped families have brought their problems on themselves.

He added: ‘I appreciate that there are families who face considerable pressures.

‘Those pressures are often the result of decisions that they have taken which mean they are not best able to manage their finances.

We need to ensure that support is not just financial, and that the right decisions are made.’

Mr Gove was responding to a question from Labour frontbencher Luciana Berger who demanded to know ‘what more can he and his Government do to ensure that no students turn up to school embarrassed because they do not have the right clothes’

Labour seized on the response with Miss Berger saying she was ’appalled’ by Mr Gove’s comments.

The Labour Liverpool MP said: ’People I have met are ashamed to have to turn to food banks.

’I vehemently disagree it is because they have mismanaged their finances.

’This Government has got no answer to the millions of parents that are really struggling to get by.’

Citizens Advice Chief Executive Gillian Guy said: ’It is appalling to suggest the rise of food banks is due to poor financial management.

It’s a smack in the face to families who are working hard but can’t make ends meet, leaving them with no other option but to turn to food banks to feed their families.

’These comments are completely misjudged.’

Chris Johnes, director of Oxfam's UK Poverty Programme, said: 'Thousands are now turning to food banks, but they do not so out of choice, they do so when they have nowhere else to turn.

'The staggering rise in the numbers of people using food banks is down to failings in the benefit system, too many low paid jobs and rising prices that are dragging huge numbers into poverty.'

In May a report by Church Action On Poverty and Oxfam suggested up to half of those seeking help were doing so as a direct result of having benefit payments delayed, reduced or withdrawn.

Other factors behind the increase on those using emergency help - the 'hidden hungry' - include rising food prices, unemployment and energy costs.

But Energy Secretary Ed Davey told MPs that it was 'completely wrong to suggest that there is some sort of statistical link between the benefit reforms we're making and the provision of food banks'.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Livia]

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After seeing the news last night, surely they would be better placed to camp outside the Brazilian Embassy.

[Cherie]

After seeing the news last night, surely they would be better placed to camp outside the Brazilian Embassy.

why Labour HQ, have they cut down a tree?

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Twosugars]

A website cataloguing bojo lies and their corrections

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

[arista]

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Gavin Esler
should go back to Full reporting
for ITV or SkyNewsHD
sod the BBC.


And a Donation
from a bad think tank
send the money back

[The Slim Reaper]

Aaron banks and Dominic Raab discussing northern voters, and a back deal brokered between Johnson and Farage.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJvWkHiWkAAlChc?format=png&name=900x900

[The Slim Reaper]

I look forward to tory condemnation of his antisemitism

[arista]

That Text message does not look real.

[The Slim Reaper]

It's a print out of his dm's. That's how printouts look. Maybe they'll end up being false in the end? His account has now been shut down.

[arista]

Still loads of Youngsters
have not registered to Vote?

Reported on BBC news

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

Pale male and stale love them a bit of boris.

[MTVN]

The working classes

[Kizzy]

The working classes

The working classes what?

[MTVN]

Are the ones who love Boris as in that pic

[Kizzy]

Are the ones who love Boris as in that pic

A handful of old men are not representative of the working class thankfully.

[Twosugars]

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Let's wait until they lose their jobs or NHS gets sold off

[Twosugars]

Working class voting for a posh liar. Not gonna end well

[smudgie]

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Yes, he went down ok today.
Decent reception surprisingly, open to giving him a chance.

[Kizzy]

Teesside! ... no coal, no steel,no shipbuilding what we're those guys working for I wonder?

[arista]

Labour Leader has arrived at Birmingham
Ladywood University with his red book Manifesto


SkyNewsHD All Out Politics Live

[Cherie]

Pale male and stale love them a bit of boris.

I saw a young black man interviewed last night in Portsmouth South who said he was voting for the cons, do you have a handy insult for him and his peers?

[Kizzy]

I saw a young black man interviewed last night in Portsmouth South who said he was voting for the cons, do you have a handy insult for him and his peers?

No I don't. . Should I have some possibly racist comment to hand?

[Cherie]

No I don't. . Should I have some possibly racist comment to hand?

you seem happy enough to denigrate white males, it doesn't surprise me that you don't have a similar one for black males though

[arista]

Corbyn is Live now
all media

[Livia]

A website cataloguing bojo lies and their corrections

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

LOL... I hope they do one for Labour soon. After the EHRC inquiry, preferably.

[arista]

Corbyn is buying
the Royal Mail back.
And some Post Office will become Post Banks

In his New Manifesto

[Twosugars]

A Brexit supporter who is standing against the remainer Anna Soubry in the general election has been found guilty of harassing her and banned from campaigning in her constituency.

Amy Dalla Mura, 56, targeted Soubry between January and March this year, turning up at events and calling her a traitor on live television, Westminster magistrates court heard.

Soubry and Dalla Mura are standing in Broxtowe in Nottinghamshire, Soubry for the Independent Group for Change and Dalla Mura for the English Democrats.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/20/english-nationalist-mp-candidate-amy-dalla-mura-guilty-of-harassing-anna-soubry

[Kizzy]

you seem happy enough to denigrate white males, it doesn't surprise me that you don't have a similar one for black males though

It's an accepted and widely used turn of phrase cherie, if you're offended that's not my issue. I'm not about to start inventing collective adjectives for other groups, if you want to feel free.

[arista]

A Brexit supporter who is standing against the remainer Anna Soubry in the general election has been found guilty of harassing her and banned from campaigning in her constituency.

Amy Dalla Mura, 56, targeted Soubry between January and March this year, turning up at events and calling her a traitor on live television, Westminster magistrates court heard.

Soubry and Dalla Mura are standing in Broxtowe in Nottinghamshire, Soubry for the Independent Group for Change and Dalla Mura for the English Democrats.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/20/english-nationalist-mp-candidate-amy-dalla-mura-guilty-of-harassing-anna-soubry



Yes that's fair enough
a Ban is correct.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[King Gizzard]

https://www.facebook.com/374151396735323/posts/577842563032871

Love this :joker:

[Twosugars]

These guys are great, King Gizzard

[arista]

Johnson PM
needs to stop going on about Corbyn
and the fact he will keep it secret what he will vote on
if Labour Win , and do a 2nd Vote.

He has become a Parrot
on this topic.

[The Slim Reaper]

Johnson PM
needs to stop going on about Corbyn
and the fact he will keep it secret what he will vote on
if Labour Win , and do a 2nd Vote.

He has become a Parrot
on this topic.

Nice to see you criticise Johnson for something

https://media1.giphy.com/media/6qfX2dsXHoxTq/giphy.gif

[arista]

Nice to see you criticise Johnson for something

https://media1.giphy.com/media/6qfX2dsXHoxTq/giphy.gif



I am a Fair Fellow.

[Kizzy]

ANOTHER reason to love Yorkshire..

https://skwawkbox.org/2019/11/21/video-saltburn-in-n-yorks-gives-johnson-a-warm-ne-welcome-as-cowardly-pm-flees/

[Kizzy]

https://www.facebook.com/374151396735323/posts/577842563032871

Love this :joker:

Fantastic! :lsugh:

[Ammi]

The Electoral Commission has approved the Bristol brewery as a place rough sleepers can register as their address.



A brewery is offering homeless people its address so they can vote in the general election.

The owners of Bristol Beer Factory have said rough sleepers from the area can use their brewery in the city's Southville area as their home address.

Staff at the coffee house and bar in Bristol's quay area - a different address from the brewery - will help them print forms and send them off ahead of the 26 November voter registration deadline...


https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-brewery-offers-homeless-people-its-address-so-they-can-register-to-vote-11866628

[arista]

Tomorrow Sunday
is the Conservative Manifesto.


Confirmed by Matt Hancock Health Secretary
on Ridge Saturday
SkyNewsHD

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[michael21]

Tomorrow Sunday
is the Conservative Manifesto.

Yes after two big tv debate how sensible this are the people we want running the UK not

[arista]

The Electoral Commission has approved the Bristol brewery as a place rough sleepers can register as their address.



A brewery is offering homeless people its address so they can vote in the general election.

The owners of Bristol Beer Factory have said rough sleepers from the area can use their brewery in the city's Southville area as their home address.

Staff at the coffee house and bar in Bristol's quay area - a different address from the brewery - will help them print forms and send them off ahead of the 26 November voter registration deadline...


https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-brewery-offers-homeless-people-its-address-so-they-can-register-to-vote-11866628


Yes Clever
letting the Homeless vote
in that Bristol Area.

[michael21]

Yes Clever
letting the Homeless vote
in that Bristol Area.

There should not be any homeless

[arista]

Corbyn
is Live on SkyNewsHD
Loughborough

He said 9million
are not registered to vote.

Now he is talking about a Amazon UK
Depot ,
that had loads of white vans outside it
waiting for work.

He wants Amazon workers to
join the GMB union..............

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/11/22/23/21360500-0-image-a-1_1574464344480.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

There should not be any homeless

drink sndf drugs can mean that people cannot live in a house as others tell them to fack off out of it. its a fact

[arista]

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[smudgie]

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Not before time.
Especially for the staff.

[MTVN]

One nation conservatism in action

Great to see

[arista]

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A rare moment last week
ITV host forced them to shake hands
very American of her.................

[arista]

For Kizzy

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[Kizzy]

That should be for everyone not just me... it needs drilling into everybody :/

[Kazanne]

Im about to see Boris in Telford, with his manifesto,lets get things done.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1198369243940708353/WW-OnqXK?format=jpg&name=small

Johnson PM is now Live.......

SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD
LBC radio
Radio 5


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKJKChNWwAcC3M2?format=jpg&name=small

[Kizzy]

Wonder what lies he's told in that?

[arista]

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[arista]

Wonder what lies he's told in that?


Unlike Labour
not alot in this Manifesto
59 pages.


[General election: Seven Brexiteers
at risk of losing seats
A new report projects a win
for the Tories, but a close‑run thing
for the likes of Dominic Raab
and Iain Duncan Smith]

The Times

[arista]

[ A "triple tax lock", ruling out increases
in the headline rate of income tax and
National Insurance, as well as VAT, for five years

Raising the National Insurance
threshold to £9,500 in 2020,
with an ambition to raise it further to £12,500
Childcare: £250m a year, for at least three years
, plus a £250m capital spending boost,
for "wraparound" childcare - meaning
after school or during holidays
Environment: £6.3bn for upgrades
to homes, such as grants for
improving boilers and insulation
£500m a year for four years
for filling potholes - almost 10 times
the amount promised by the
party in an announcement in March

A new National Skills Fund of £600m
a year for five years.
Labour and the Liberal Democrats
have announced similar plans

Building "Northern Powerhouse Rail"
between Leeds and Manchester
and investing £28.8bn in
strategic and local roads]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50532000

[Kazanne]

[ A "triple tax lock", ruling out increases
in the headline rate of income tax and
National Insurance, as well as VAT, for five years

Raising the National Insurance
threshold to £9,500 in 2020,
with an ambition to raise it further to £12,500
Childcare: £250m a year, for at least three years
, plus a £250m capital spending boost,
for "wraparound" childcare - meaning
after school or during holidays
Environment: £6.3bn for upgrades
to homes, such as grants for
improving boilers and insulation
£500m a year for four years
for filling potholes - almost 10 times
the amount promised by the
party in an announcement in March

A new National Skills Fund of £600m
a year for five years.
Labour and the Liberal Democrats
have announced similar plans

Building "Northern Powerhouse Rail"
between Leeds and Manchester
and investing £28.8bn in
strategic and local roads]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50532000

They all sound pretty positive to me , better to have fewer things you can get done than loads you cant ,now lets get it done , I think the hospital parking one will go down well and the pensions ones.

[arista]

18 days or so to change this .......

https://pbs.twimg.com/ad_img/1198653592321835008/tjgq9L2v?format=jpg&name=small

[Kizzy]

No chance ..as usual all they can bang on about is potholes! :laugh: they are SO out of touch it's comical!!

[bots]

With all the uncertainty of brexit, no party is in a position to offer anything. How the lib dems can magic up money we don't have at the moment by staying in the EU is also a major mystery.

None of the parties can in all conscience promise any extra spending until we know the costs. How the tories can talk about a vibrant economy post brexit is beyond me.

[arista]

Labour Rude Nutter chasing a Conservative Candidate

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[Cherie]

Labour Rude Nutter chasing a Conservative Candidate

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:umm2: I presume he meant white area rather than country

[arista]

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Blair giving yet another speech
this morning
saying he thinks Conservative's will win
by saying Labour's Corbyn is not attractive to voters.


New Labour attacking Labour
yet again.

[bots]

Blair giving yet another speech
this morning
saying he thinks Conservative's will win
by saying Labour's Corbyn is not attractive to voters.


New Labour attacking Labour
yet again.

He has a point, having had an extended run in power. When labour actually get elected with far left policies, they can refute him, until then, he is the winner.

[The Slim Reaper]

He has a point, having had an extended run in power. When labour actually get elected with far left policies, they can refute him, until then, he is the winner.

A funded NHS
Rich paying their fair share
Looking after older people
An end to child poverty and food banks

= Far left. This is how the media move the dialogue along to skew things.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A funded NHS
Rich paying their fair share
Looking after older people
An end to child poverty and food banks

= Far left. This is how the media move the dialogue along to skew things.

all of the above is BS wishful thinking, just soundbites

its just unrealistic twaddle that labour bleat on about since jesus was at primary school

[The Slim Reaper]

all of the above is BS wishful thinking, just soundbites

its just unrealistic twaddle that labour bleat on about since jesus was at primary school

You've been well trained to never expect better. That's on you, not labour.

Get brexit done is not soundbyte, but rich paying their taxes is BS. OK.

[The Slim Reaper]

Meanwhile, in the land of actual BS

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[arista]

Meanwhile, in the land of actual BS

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Look its good
Morgan is standing Down
as a MP on the 12th

[arista]

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[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Look its good
Morgan is standing Down
as a MP on the 12th


What's good?

[arista]

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[arista]

What's good?


From the 12th of Dec
she is Gone......................

[The Slim Reaper]

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:joker: We've gone from £350m/wk for the NHS which everyone now tells us they always knew was a lie, to £650m/wk and no one questions it.

An end to austerity in a post brexit, smaller economy doesn't seem plausible for the tory approach to governing.

[The Slim Reaper]

From the 12th of Dec
she is Gone......................

Anything to say on the false 50k nurses?

[arista]

Anything to say on the false 50k nurses?



Yes its a error.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You've been well trained to never expect better. That's on you, not labour.

Get brexit done is not soundbyte, but rich paying their taxes is BS. OK.

lol, who re "the rich" labour keep going on about?

its like its a bad thing to be successful, to create jobs

[The Slim Reaper]

lol, who re "the rich" labour keep going on about?

its like its a bad thing to be successful, to create jobs

Probably companies like Amazon and starbucks that pay next to zero in taxes, or maybe folks like JRM that have the family business listed off shore to avoid paying tax to the british people on over 150m of profits.

It's not a bad thing to be successful, but it's a bad thing to take advantage of the infrastructure put in place by previous generations, and then turn around and avoid paying it forward.

[bots]

i don't think anyone has a problem with Amazon paying appropriate taxes in the territories they earn their money, that's fair. However, you are misrepresenting what labour intend to do. The have spoken out and said it is wrong to be rich when there are poor people in the country, and they intend to do something about that. That's a far left policy and will force all our high earners overseas. They tried it before under Dennis Healey, and they ended up with less tax coming in, not more

[The Slim Reaper]

i don't think anyone has a problem with Amazon paying appropriate taxes in the territories they earn their money, that's fair. However, you are misrepresenting what labour intend to do. The have spoken out and said it is wrong to be rich when there are poor people in the country, and they intend to do something about that. That's a far left policy and will force all our high earners overseas. They tried it before under Dennis Healey, and they ended up with less tax coming in, not more

Corporation tax will be less than france and germany after labour have implemented their tax increase (if elected), so where exactly is this craziness coming from? It is wrong to have such wealth inequality in the modern world.

The starting salary for police, firemen, nurses etc hasn't gone up in 10 years, and yet the share of wealth amongst the top is consistently going up.

This is by definition, an unfair society. It's just disheartening to see people misguidedly doing their best to protect the wealthy over and above themselves.

[Cherie]

Corporation tax will be less than france and germany after labour have implemented their tax increase (if elected), so where exactly is this craziness coming from? It is wrong to have such wealth inequality in the modern world.

The starting salary for police, firemen, nurses etc hasn't gone up in 10 years, and yet the share of wealth amongst the top is consistently going up.

This is by definition, an unfair society. It's just disheartening to see people misguidedly doing their best to protect the wealthy over and above themselves.

The problem with corporation tax is that is it the same rate if you turn over 50,000 or 50 million, it should be tiered to protect small businesses and help them survive

It is small businesses who will bear the brunt of a rise of 7 per cent, not big business unfortunately

[Cherie]

The two manifestos are poles apart both disappointing in that they are so polar opposite in their spending, one is over the top, the second too prudent, neither appeal to me

[The Slim Reaper]

The problem with corporation tax is that is it the same rate if you turn over 50,000 or 50 million, it should be tiered to protect small businesses and help them survive

There are tools out there to help small businesses. I know because I take advantage of them.

[Kazanne]

Well Corbyn is not exactly 'poor' he has an apartment in London (Surrey I think) and 7 bedroom house in Shropshire, so lets hope the same applies to him.

[Cherie]

There are tools out there to help small businesses. I know because I take advantage of them.


You are tax avoiding then? The corporation tax bill comes in every year to us

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well Corbyn is not exactly 'poor' he has an apartment in London (Surrey I think) and 7 bedroom house in Shropshire, so lets hope the same applies to him.

and lets not forget that vile Abbott who sent her kids to private school

oh yes and she is corbyns best buddy too

:rolleyes:

[The Slim Reaper]

The two manifestos are poles apart both disappointing in that they are so polar opposite in their spending, one is over the top, the second too prudent, neither appeal to me

One appears over the top because that's how we've been conditioned. It's better to aim for the stars and land on the moon, than it is to aim for the ceiling and land on the floor.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Probably companies like Amazon and starbucks that pay next to zero in taxes, or maybe folks like JRM that have the family business listed off shore to avoid paying tax to the british people on over 150m of profits.

It's not a bad thing to be successful, but it's a bad thing to take advantage of the infrastructure put in place by previous generations, and then turn around and avoid paying it forward.

everyone from a street sweeper to bill gates will do all they can to pay less and keep more

stands to reason

[The Slim Reaper]

everyone from a street sweeper to bill gates will do all they can to pay less and keep more

stands to reason

Exactly, that's why we need to end the practices that allow people like JRM to avoid taxes altogether. His family got a nice grant of £5m in the last week to upgrade one of his ancestral homes, whilst he avoids giving anything.

[The Slim Reaper]

Well Corbyn is not exactly 'poor' he has an apartment in London (Surrey I think) and 7 bedroom house in Shropshire, so lets hope the same applies to him.

Why wouldn't it? People doing well is not the issue.

[The Slim Reaper]

Bill gates stopped working and started giving all his money away in 2010, since then his wealth has nearly doubled, for some context on why such extreme wealth is damaging to society.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[bots]

you need to register before 5pm tomorrow if you want to vote in the GE

[Crimson Dynamo]

Exactly, that's why we need to end the practices that allow people like JRM to avoid taxes altogether. His family got a nice grant of £5m in the last week to upgrade one of his ancestral homes, whilst he avoids giving anything.

i am sure the grant was legal and above board, historical buildings need renovation

[Crimson Dynamo]

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or maybe he was too busy and they are a little bitty bitter

:joker:

[The Slim Reaper]

or maybe he was too busy and they are a little bitty bitter

:joker:

He's releasing the manifesto in the country, and he's too busty to talk about the manifesto to *checks notes... Wales Online? Yeah, that checks out :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

i am sure the grant was legal and above board, historical buildings need renovation

Of course it's legal and above board, but avoiding paying into a system that gives you £5m grants to do up one of your houses seems a little off to me personally. I'm sure to others that like to live vicariously through folks taking advantage of the system, it's perfectly fine and acceptable. It's just a fundamental disagreement on how we see society.

[The Slim Reaper]

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People aren't concerned with issues like this, and instead will fight for JRM to pay nothing and take everything. That's the most damning aspect of this whole election campaign to me; caring has come to be seen as a weakness in this country.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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People aren't concerned with issues like this, and instead will fight for JRM to pay nothing and take everything. That's the most damning aspect of this whole election campaign to me; caring has come to be seen as a weakness in this country.

Im concerned that most homeless are fake and on the take (like the one in the image)


Its more important that people stop giving them money as now its seen as a legit revenue source

[The Slim Reaper]

Im concerned that most homeless are fake and on the take (like the one in the image)


Its more important that people stop giving them money as now its seen as a legit revenue source

As if to prove my point...

JRM avoiding tax on £150m is good, but we should stop giving the homeless money in case a few of them aren't really homeless.

There are no better champions of plutocrats and oligarchs, than those closer to the homeless than they care to admit.

[Crimson Dynamo]

As if to prove my point...

JRM avoiding tax on £150m is good, but we should stop giving the homeless money in case a few of them aren't really homeless.

There are no better champions of plutocrats and oligarchs, than those closer to the homeless than they care to admit.

i dont see any connection at all, but the last time i went to Glasgow i saw lots of fake homeless and mugs giving them money. i did not see JRM when i was there

[arista]

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And a Sensible Reply to Blair

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[arista]

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The truth is the Female Ch4 Media boss
Insulted Johnson PM.
So it's a Grudge

[Kazanne]

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I was thinking that arista what hypocrites some of them are.:wavey:

[bots]

i'm in agreement with Tony, the first time ever i think :worry:

[arista]

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[arista]

i'm in agreement with Tony, the first time ever i think :worry:


But never Forget
Fake WMD Iraq
BLAIR


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[arista]

Warning : Adult Rated 18

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Young Women are the Worse
Not to Vote
Very True Comedy - and Serious man

[michael21]

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The truth is the Female Ch4 Media boss
Insulted Johnson PM.
So it's a Grudge

He is scared pmqs is all planed live tv any think can be asked he be Gone soon

[arista]

Over 9Million Young
still Not Registered to Vote

One Day to go
to register....................

[Cherie]

Over 9Million Young
still Not Registered to Vote

One Day to go to register....................

The systems will crash tomorrow then there will be complaints, thats usually how it goes

[arista]

The systems will crash tomorrow then there will be complaints, thats usually how it goes


They may crash
or they may not............

[Kizzy]

Come on get registering to vote! I've a good feeling about this year! :D

[michael21]

The systems will crash tomorrow then there will be complaints, thats usually how it goes

Yes it will crash just like the cons who will crash out of power

[arista]

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Lord Heseltine
joined By Ex Conservative MP's
3 of them including Gauke .

[arista]

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Of Course Some Jews
are against Corbyn.
Nothing new.

[arista]

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[arista]

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If he is able to do his job at 88
then we are stuck with the old git.

[michael21]

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If he is able to do his job at 88
then we are stuck with the old git.

No there need to be a vote

Deadline is today some we miss out

[smudgie]

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So much for equality then.
Are they also going to take back the money from those men that were able to get their pensions a couple of years early due to the change?

[arista]

So much for equality then.
Are they also going to take back the money from those men that were able to get their pensions a couple of years early due to the change?


So Far Corbyn is saying this is his only extra
Policy.
These women were due Pension Money
then Conservatives said - No wait 5 or 8 years more.
And some women lost the money they are due..............

Not Nice for a 60 year old lady
who set out plans
the suddenly its stopped.

[The Slim Reaper]

So much for equality then.
Are they also going to take back the money from those men that were able to get their pensions a couple of years early due to the change?

What? The tories stole the pensions of women born in the 50's. Corbyn is pledging to give it back. How have you turned this into a negative?

[arista]

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Yes Children need to know Everything.
But those Evils were Normal in those old days.
All over the World

France took over parts of Africa as well
makes their History just as Evil.
For a example

Ammi
get those kids learning all the bad times
then they can look at our better days now

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

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and


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[arista]

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[Kizzy]

Why is this not front page news everywhere today?....hmm?


'The Labour party received a boost on Tuesday when 163 economists signed a public letter offering broad support for its proposals for higher public investment to kick start growth and raise productivity. The letter published in the Financial Times lamented Britain’s poor economic performance of the past decade, called for “a serious injection of public investment” and said Britain would benefit from greater state involvement in national economic management.'
https://www.ft.com/content/d29b4cbe-0fa4-11ea-a225-db2f231cfeae

[The Slim Reaper]

Why is this not front page news everywhere today?....hmm?


'The Labour party received a boost on Tuesday when 163 economists signed a public letter offering broad support for its proposals for higher public investment to kick start growth and raise productivity. The letter published in the Financial Times lamented Britain’s poor economic performance of the past decade, called for “a serious injection of public investment” and said Britain would benefit from greater state involvement in national economic management.'

Because a friend of Boris has spoken

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[Kizzy]

Ah right... I see that the arch bishop if Canterbury has waded in too, It's very odd to see faith and politics mix in this way.
Especially in the condemnation of one man with no proven accusations of any personal wrongdoing.

Then actively champion a man who is well known to be morally and ethically flawed. :/

[arista]

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And

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[arista]

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[smudgie]

What? The tories stole the pensions of women born in the 50's. Corbyn is pledging to give it back. How have you turned this into a negative?

Women have fought for equality for years.
Now they have equal pension rights they don’t want it, because it’s a disadvantage.
My point is about the equality when it suits.
And I am speaking as one of the women that have lost out.:shrug:

[Kizzy]

The issue us not the change but the way the change was implemented.

[michael21]

It's going to rain hard on voting day

[Crimson Dynamo]

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https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/26/michael-goves-attempt-channel-stormzy-backfires-11221417/

[arista]

Votes in Scotland will effect
this UK Election
35 SNP
13 Conservative
7 Labour
4 LibDem


This matters if Labour Lose MP's
and if the Conservative Lose MP's

[Cherie]

Votes in Scotland will effect
this UK Election
35 SNP
13 Conservative
7 Labour
4 LibDem


This matters if Labour Lose MP's
and if the Conservative Lose MP's

Both will

[Crimson Dynamo]

So far only the SNP have been round our door asking for support

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

[Conservative candidate for Ashfield Lee Anderson
has made headlines after calling for
nuisance council tenants to be put
"in a tent in the middle of a field"]


[Who is standing in Ashfield?

Conservatives: Lee Anderson
The Brexit Party: Martin Daubney
Labour: Natalie Fleet
Liberal Democrat: Rebecca Wain
Green: Rose Woods
Ashfield Independents: Jason Zadrozny]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50558306

[bots]

Corbyn didn't come over at all well in the Andrew Neil interview and I don't think Boris will do any better .... fun times

[arista]

Corbyn didn't come over at all well in the Andrew Neil interview and I don't think Boris will do any better .... fun times

So Far Johnson PM has not agreed
to do Andrew Neil
this year.


Ref: Debate on GMBHD itv

[arista]

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Yes Gove
doing a Stormzy type
Reply.

[bots]

So Far Johnson PM has not agreed
to do Andrew Neil
this year.


Ref: Debate on GMBHD itv

it would be a similar car crash for sure, if it happened.

[arista]

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&

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[arista]

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Yesterday
a whole Hour with 4 MP's
SNP/Conservative/ Labour / LibDem

But how stupid
of the Greens to not go,
as it was all men

[arista]

Corbyn is Live (SkyNewsHD & BBCnewsHD)
giving the Press in London
over 400 pages of a Future USA - UK Deals of NHS
he says the Conservatives
will sell the NHS.


Trump has said
he is not buying the NHS.

[bots]

But how stupid
of the Greens to not go,
as it was all men

particularly as the greens also sent a man :laugh: couldn't make it up. This election is a complete farce

[arista]

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[Cherie]

Corbyn is Live (SkyNewsHD & BBCnewsHD)
giving the Press in London
over 400 pages of a Future USA - UK Deals of NHS
he says the Conservatives
will sell the NHS.


Trump has said
he is not buying the NHS.

No not buying but the price of drugs could be pushed up so much they could bankrupt the NHS

[arista]

No not buying but the price of drugs could be pushed up so much they could bankrupt the NHS


Yes Johnson claims he will not use that plan
its a Joint USA - UK paperwork idea!
No deal confirmed.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes Johnson claims he will not use that plan
its a Joint USA - UK paperwork idea!
No deal confirmed.

What you fail to accept, is that when we leave the EU we'll be in such a weak position, that we'll have to accept what we're given. It's not like Johnson is a known and renowned liar or anything.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[LaLaLand]

Corbyn having those papers is a political mic drop if I've ever seen one. Even if they're only "initial, early talks" it shows that access to the NHS has been brought up and is of interest to Trump and co, very worrying.

In their debate the other week that was the only time I've ever seen Johnson visibly furious, when Corbyn had the documents. He was raging.

In any other world, this would be the "final nail in the coffin" for the Conservative Govt but probably won't be, sadly.

[Cherie]

Corbyn should have apologised last night, he wouldn't have had to field questions about that rather than focussing on this if he had, stupid stubborn move

[Livia]

Corbyn refuses to apologise. We can add it to: Corbyn refuses to meet the Queen. Corbyn refuses to bow to the Queen. Corbyn refuses to denouce the IRA. Corbyn refuses to sing the National Anthem. Corbyn refuses to wear a poppy. Corbyn physically turns his back on British troops....

[The Slim Reaper]

Corbyn should have apologised last night, he wouldn't have had to field questions about that rather than focussing on this if he had, stupid stubborn move

I agree with this. He made a mistake not apologising for dealing with the issue as quickly and effectively as they should have done.

[arista]

What you fail to accept, is that when we leave the EU we'll be in such a weak position, that we'll have to accept what we're given. It's not like Johnson is a known and renowned liar or anything.

Ref : Last 8mins Politics Live BBC2HD
Matt Warman
Digital Minister

Said those Documents were
from the Former PM May
and are not valid.



Matt Hancock Health Minister
must go on the Media and prove
those documents are no longer valid

[The Slim Reaper]

Ref : Last 8mins Politics Live BBC2HD
Matt Warman
Digital Minister

Said those Documents were
from the Former PM May
and are not valid.



Matt Hancock Health Minister
must go on the Media and prove
those documents are no longer valid

Those documents are irrelevant to the fact that we'll be a weakened partner when it comes to negotiating trade deals. Everytime they don't like anything being leaked, they always blame May. They did it with their own yellowhammer report which was confirmed to be Johnsons.

[arista]

Yes Slim
leaving the Bloody EU
will effect the UK for a while

Nothing New There

[arista]

Those documents are irrelevant to the fact that we'll be a weakened partner when it comes to negotiating trade deals.


No
they are no longer in use

[Liam-]

Corbyn has apologised many, many times for their failure to deal with the issue as quickly as they should have, how many times should someone apologise for the same thing? Especially when no matter how many apologies are issued, none of them will be believed by some or even accepted, so getting him to apologise for the umpteenth time, is imo pointless and is being used as a stick to flog a dead horse to distract from the NHS issues.

[arista]

Corbyn has apologised many, many times for their failure to deal with the issue as quickly as they should have, how many times should someone apologise for the same thing? Especially when no matter how many apologies are issued, none of them will be believed by some or even accepted, so getting him to apologise for the umpteenth time, is imo pointless and is being used as a stick to flog a dead horse to distract from the NHS issues.


Yes he has moved on now
Corbyn thinks we will pay more for Medical Drugs
Digital Minster today said that's not true.

[The Slim Reaper]

No
they are no longer in use

That's irrelevant. You always try to avoid negotiating from a position of weakness, and we'll be the weakest trade partner in town. We're going to get our pants pulled down by everyone.

[arista]

Johnson PM
is Live in Truro
Cornwall

SkyNewsHD and BBCnewsHD

[arista]

That's irrelevant. You always try to avoid negotiating from a position of weakness, and we'll be the weakest trade partner in town. We're going to get our pants pulled down by everyone.


Your Speculation.

[The Slim Reaper]

Your Speculation.

A lot of things are speculation, but to say we'll be weak after brexit isn't.

[arista]

From BBC1 AM
Matt Hancock Health Secretary
on the 50,000 New Nurses
said its 50,000 "More" Nurses
which includes the 18,500
all ready in the System.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Liam-]

From BBC1 AM
Matt Hancock Health Secretary
on the 50,000 New Nurses
said its 50,000 "More" Nurses
which includes the 18,500
all ready in the System.

So it’s not 50,000 more then is it?
God, Tories can’t help themselves can they? Can we even trust that they’re using their real names?

[arista]

So it’s not 50,000 more then is it?
God, Tories can’t help themselves can they? Can we even trust that they’re using their real names?


He is claiming
that it is More Nurses during this period
thus making it 50,000 in total.


31,000 New Nurses
50,000 More Nurses


Also Debated on GMBHD itv at 7:39AM
They told Hancock
he is Double Counting.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ5CPCcXsAAzxwo?format=jpg&name=small


Lib Dems have said sorry for doing
Fake Type Newspapers.



It Just Needs in Big
Free Lib Dem Paper, at the Top of the Paper


Debated on GMBHD itv/

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[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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People attacked by Johnson:

Black people
Gay people
Muslims
Single parents
The children of single parents

[Livia]

That's using the word "attacked" quite loosely though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"attacked" = mentioned

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Liam-]

The attitudes Boris and his peers have shown to minorities is disgusting, but yet, it gets tolerated cause ‘that’s Boris!’ Is actually really worrying, it shows that this country, the establishment and the media that let them get away with it, isn’t as acceptaing or tolerant as it’s made out to me, we’ll be back in the days of ‘no gays’ or ‘no blacks allowed’ signs outside buildings before long with the rate we’re going imo, we’re at a nauseating place in time

[arista]

The attitudes Boris and his peers have shown to minorities is disgusting, but yet, it gets tolerated cause ‘that’s Boris!’ Is actually really worrying, it shows that this country, the establishment and the media that let them get away with it, isn’t as acceptaing or tolerant as it’s made out to me, we’ll be back in the days of ‘no gays’ or ‘no blacks allowed’ signs outside buildings before long with the rate we’re going imo, we’re at a nauseating place in time


The Main Problem
many examples are old ones
we are not returning to no blacks allowed
never.


If Johnson refuses the BBC TV Andrew Neil Interview
then we will not get new facts?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The attitudes Boris and his peers have shown to minorities is disgusting, but yet, it gets tolerated cause ‘that’s Boris!’ Is actually really worrying, it shows that this country, the establishment and the media that let them get away with it, isn’t as acceptaing or tolerant as it’s made out to me, we’ll be back in the days of ‘no gays’ or ‘no blacks allowed’ signs outside buildings before long with the rate we’re going imo, we’re at a nauseating place in time

oh for goodness sake, that is quite ridiculous :laugh:

[Livia]

The attitudes Boris and his peers have shown to minorities is disgusting, but yet, it gets tolerated cause ‘that’s Boris!’ Is actually really worrying, it shows that this country, the establishment and the media that let them get away with it, isn’t as acceptaing or tolerant as it’s made out to me, we’ll be back in the days of ‘no gays’ or ‘no blacks allowed’ signs outside buildings before long with the rate we’re going imo, we’re at a nauseating place in time

No one wants a return to that. And yes, there are bigots in the Tory party like there are in society and it is NOT acceptable. But I have to tell you, as a Jewish woman, I don't really want to take part in political discussions on TiBB any more because I feel like I'm singled out and shouted down, I feel belittled, I feel like my voice is worthless... and worst of all, I'm told there's no problem with anti-Semitism... but that the Tories are bigots.

You guys have done a really great job if Shutting up the lone Jewish voice on this forum. Well done.

[arista]

From Politics Live BBC2HD

A Falkirk Scotland Labour seat
has been suspended over a Jewish post.
So that means no time to replace him

[Liam-]

No one wants a return to that. And yes, there are bigots in the Tory party like there are in society and it is NOT acceptable. But I have to tell you, as a Jewish woman, I don't really want to take part in political discussions on TiBB any more because I feel like I'm singled out and shouted down, I feel belittled, I feel like my voice is worthless... and worst of all, I'm told there's no problem with anti-Semitism... but that the Tories are bigots.

You guys have done a really great job if Shutting up the lone Jewish voice on this forum. Well done.

Woah, don’t lump me into whatever problem you seem to have, I’ve never said anything of the sort to you, we’ve always had very open, often charged discussions on things we don’t agree with and you know that, while it’s awful you feel like that, for whatever reason you do, you’re hardly a constant beacon of positivity towards people and their opinions either, you can’t expect everyone to respect you and your opinion, if sometimes you show very little respect the other way.

[Livia]

Woah, don’t lump me into whatever problem you seem to have, I’ve never said anything of the sort to you, we’ve always had very open, often charged discussions on things we don’t agree with and you know that, while it’s awful you feel like that, for whatever reason you do, you’re hardly a child stand beacon of positivity towards people and their opinions either, you can’t expect everyone to respect you and your opinion, if sometimes you show very little respect the other way.

What's the point.....

[Liam-]

oh for goodness sake, that is quite ridiculous :laugh:

Not really, cause that’s how it feels to be a minority sometimes in this day, if the rise of the bigoted far right, like in Hungary and Russia, isn’t stopped before it infects Britain more than it already has, then that’s where we’ll be headed I’m afraid

[Kizzy]

"attacked" = mentioned

You could replace attacked with denigrated, mocked, disenfranchised, stereotyped or prejudged then.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You could replace attacked with denigrated, mocked, disenfranchised, stereotyped or prejudged then.

Yes if you were trying to exaggerate to make a political point i agree

[Kazanne]

No one wants a return to that. And yes, there are bigots in the Tory party like there are in society and it is NOT acceptable. But I have to tell you, as a Jewish woman, I don't really want to take part in political discussions on TiBB any more because I feel like I'm singled out and shouted down, I feel belittled, I feel like my voice is worthless... and worst of all, I'm told there's no problem with anti-Semitism... but that the Tories are bigots.

You guys have done a really great job if Shutting up the lone Jewish voice on this forum. Well done.

Say what you need to Livia some of us might learn by it,no one should make you feel like that but I kinda see where you are coming from ,a place where everyone agrees can get kinds boring, I for one look forward to your posts and love your humour,:wavey:

[arista]

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Today's Free paper.

[Kizzy]

Yes if you were trying to exaggerate to make a political point i agree

Isn't that the role of political commentators?

[bots]

Boris Johnson is on course for a comfortable majority, according to a polling model that accurately predicted the election outcome two years ago.

The Conservatives would win 359 seats, Labour 211, the SNP 43 and the Liberal Democrats 13 if the election were held today, according to a seat-by-seat analysis based on polling by YouGov for The Times.

That result would give Mr Johnson a majority of 68 as he made gains at Labour’s expense, particularly in the Midlands and north of England. Labour would suffer its second-worst postwar defeat, with Jeremy Corbyn’s total two above Michael Foot’s in 1983.

The projected margins of victory are below 5 per cent, however, in at least 30 seats predicted to be Conservative. YouGov cautions that a fall…

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mrp-election-poll-boris-johnson-heads-for-big-majority-qrqsq9f7r

:skull:

[Kizzy]

No one wants a return to that. And yes, there are bigots in the Tory party like there are in society and it is NOT acceptable. But I have to tell you, as a Jewish woman, I don't really want to take part in political discussions on TiBB any more because I feel like I'm singled out and shouted down, I feel belittled, I feel like my voice is worthless... and worst of all, I'm told there's no problem with anti-Semitism... but that the Tories are bigots.

You guys have done a really great job if Shutting up the lone Jewish voice on this forum. Well done.

Strangely that's how I feel too, you want your voice heard but advertise the fact you won't listen to others with whom you disagree.
I personally have never said there is not a problem with antisemitism, as a lone voice on here of course you have every right to your opinion it does not however naturally follow that others will agree with that veiw.

I think there's a valid point in that tolerance of certain groups is in the decline to the point where attacks are becoming commonplace, which does smack of regression.

It's important then at this time to be really honest with our selves and acknowledge where this is coming from, whose ideology is it? Where did it originate?

[Kizzy]

Boris Johnson is on course for a comfortable majority, according to a polling model that accurately predicted the election outcome two years ago.

The Conservatives would win 359 seats, Labour 211, the SNP 43 and the Liberal Democrats 13 if the election were held today, according to a seat-by-seat analysis based on polling by YouGov for The Times.

That result would give Mr Johnson a majority of 68 as he made gains at Labour’s expense, particularly in the Midlands and north of England. Labour would suffer its second-worst postwar defeat, with Jeremy Corbyn’s total two above Michael Foot’s in 1983.

The projected margins of victory are below 5 per cent, however, in at least 30 seats predicted to be Conservative. YouGov cautions that a fall…

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mrp-election-poll-boris-johnson-heads-for-big-majority-qrqsq9f7r

:skull:
Then why is Dominic Cummings flapping about it being too close?...

[bots]

Then why is Dominic Cummings flapping about it being too close?...

polls have been wrong before, nothing is certain until the votes are counted. All it does is give an indication that labour could do better

[smudgie]

Then why is Dominic Cummings flapping about it being too close?...

To prevent voting apathy.
If they think they are going to win then some voters won’t bother to face the weather come the day of the vote.:shrug:

[Kizzy]

polls have been wrong before, nothing is certain until the votes are counted. All it does is give an indication that labour could do better

I don't agree I think labour are doing better and the polls are wrong.

The stepping up of the slur campaigns as reported today show that there is a worry labour are not as firmly on the back foot as it seems.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kizzy what will you do when they lose badly on the 12th?

[Crimson Dynamo]

genuine question

[Kizzy]

Kizzy what will you do when they lose badly on the 12th?

I don't do hypotheticals.