Light at the end of the tunnel - Covid [vaccine news]

[GoldHeart]

Fingers crossed we're getting back to some normality

[Zizu]

75% of first jabs give to adults over 18 now



50% fully vaccinated



It’s a fabulous figure but it still leaves millions upon millions of over 18’s still unprotected and it’s even hitting under 18’s now


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[Strictly Jake]

Just had the Pfizer

[bots]

That took some balls after what happened Jake. Respect

[Zizu]

Just had the Pfizer



Excellent ... I’ve had both Pfizer jabs .. just a headache after the first ... the second three weeks ago has cured my frozen shoulder ( had pain for about 5 years ) before that second jab !

Now she stuck it in extremity high - on my shoulder .
I’m wondering if she got distracted :)

Can’t complain though - just hope it has completely cured it somehow


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[bots]

both my injections were really high up. I really had to pull my tee shirt sleeve up both times. I would say it was closer to a shoulder injection than on the arm

[Zizu]

both my injections were really high up. I really had to pull my tee shirt sleeve up both times. I would say it was closer to a shoulder injection than on the arm



Yes exactly !?!?

My first was far lower down in the normal place ..

How odd


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[Zizu]

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[user104658]

Yes exactly !?!?

My first was far lower down in the normal place ..

How odd


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Most vaccines are injected into the deltoid muscle (shoulder) because it’s the largest arm muscle and takes up quite a big area, so long as it goes into the muscle somewhere it’s fine. But there will be swelling at the injection site so as I think I said when you mentioned this before with your shoulder, it’s possible the higher up one caused inflammation that put pressure on your shoulder joint and eased the pain there.

Funnily enough, I had the opposite with my second one - the swelling actually popped my shoulder slightly for a couple of days, it wasn’t sitting properly in the socket and quite achey.

That sounds worse than it is really; I have a crack in my left shoulder socket from an injury as a teen that never healed properly, so it’s not uncommon for it to sit “slightly out” anyway.

[Nicky91]

good, i'm not a complete anti-vaxxer


i just don't think i need the vaccine, since i'm not a active socializing person



i'm not a selfish person, i of course want everyone else (whom are more socializing people than me) to take the vaccine, or at least the right vaccine



as for ''me embarrassing myself'' what Bots tells me, well i had been coping with quite some stress thinking about wether or not i should vaccinate and when stressed i can say all sorts of stupid s**t

so it feels like a big relief now i made that final decision and it is my own personal choice to not get the vaccine





@Jake, good on you for still getting the vaccine, despite the bad news around you, indeed respect, good because you definitely need that protection with the dangers for you at work

[Cherie]

Just 1 in 100 deaths in the last month has been covid related ......

[Zizu]

Good Morning Britain survey results:-

A survey for GMB has found that 1 in 5 18-29 years olds will either refuse to take the vaccine when offered or are undecided.

Ryan Mark Parsons says under 30s 'don't have the right' to go to pubs and restaurants if they don't have the Covid-19 vaccine


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[user104658]

Good Morning Britain survey results:-

A survey for GMB has found that 1 in 5 18-29 years olds will either refuse to take the vaccine when offered or are undecided.

Ryan Mark Parsons says under 30s 'don't have the right' to go to pubs and restaurants if they don't have the Covid-19 vaccine


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To be fair, 80% uptake in 18-29's isn't terrible and is actually better than I would have thought.

[bots]

i thought in that age group it would be under 50%. 80% is blinking marvelous

[Cherie]

80% uptake in a cohort that is not affected in the main is fantastic

[Zizu]

80% uptake in a cohort that is not affected in the main is fantastic



They are effected by the Indian variant though , aren’t they ?


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[bots]

young people in the main don't give much of a crap about their own safety. That's why so many youngsters started smoking and regularly drink sufficient quantities of alcohol to poison themselves without a moments thought :laugh:

[Cherie]

They are effected by the Indian variant though , aren’t they ?


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Are they? not seen any great evidence of that tbh, 20 youngsters have died, how many had underlying conditions? the answer is we have no idea!

[bots]

i think we have to be pragmatic. The infection rate in the majority of places in the UK now is practically zero. We have a handful of hotspots that are being surge tested and vaccinated at a rapid rate of knotts. We are in a completely different position to what we were in even at Christmas

It's right to be cautious of course, but there are serious grounds for optimism now too

[user104658]

They are effected by the Indian variant though , aren’t they ?


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In increased numbers, it has been suggested, not even statistically confirmed. It's worth remembering that a 100%, 200%... even 300% increase in risk for under-30's would still result in an absolutely tiny risk compared to the at-risk categories of 50+ (medium) 70+ (high) and 80+ (very high).

[user104658]

Are they? not seen any great evidence of that tbh, 20 youngsters have died, how many had underlying conditions? the answer is we have no idea!

I think a lot of the data is coming from India and while I wouldn't say "ignore it", I think it's worth remembering that there are multiple other factors at play and (importantly) likely orders-of-magnitude higher numbers of asymptomatic cases there that they don't know about. The situation is so different that you really can't take the data from somewhere like India and extrapolate it to the UK... we just have to "wait and see".

[bots]

I think a lot of the data is coming from India and while I wouldn't say "ignore it", I think it's worth remembering that there are multiple other factors at play and (importantly) likely orders-of-magnitude higher numbers of asymptomatic cases there that they don't know about. The situation is so different that you really can't take the data from somewhere like India and extrapolate it to the UK... we just have to "wait and see".

the worst case scenario is that they need to vaccinate younger age groups. We have all the tools to fight this virus now

[Nicky91]

Good Morning Britain survey results:-

A survey for GMB has found that 1 in 5 18-29 years olds will either refuse to take the vaccine when offered or are undecided.

Ryan Mark Parsons says under 30s 'don't have the right' to go to pubs and restaurants if they don't have the Covid-19 vaccine


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aw LOL, as if stupid pubs and restaurants are so important :idc:

[Zizu]

Are they? not seen any great evidence of that tbh, 20 youngsters have died, how many had underlying conditions? the answer is we have no idea!



I’m sure I put up some stats from Sky a week or so ago showing the hardest hit section were 18 -30’s ( Indian variant)


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[user104658]

I’m sure I put up some stats from Sky a week or so ago showing the hardest hit section were 18 -30’s ( Indian variant)


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Most cases, not cases with the highest severity. Risk still increases with age by huge margins.

[bots]

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: one of our talk show hosts Beau van Erven Dorens got vaccinated with the Janssen vaccine, Live in his show Beau last night by the director of Erasmus MC hospital Ernst Kuipers

https://images.superguide.nl/iE63f517YzPpgBjpD0VVvgBOMZ8=/0x0:638x346/890x0/smart/superguide.nl/s3fs-public/main_media/beau_accinatie.jpg?itok=3tqzoC8Z

which was watched by 800.000 tv viewers

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: health minister Hugo de Jonge has been vaccinated this morning, it was his turn in terms of birth year 1977

he got the jab in the city where he lives Rotterdam


last monday our PM Rutte got vaccinated, after which he was absent from parliament for next 2 days

[Crimson Dynamo]

LT is double jagged

:dance:

[Crimson Dynamo]

celebrating with a glass of brown

[bots]

LT is double jagged

:dance:

:dance:

[arista]

First dose total
40,124,229

Second dose total
27,160,635

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

LT is double jagged

:dance:

:dance:

[Cherie]

25 - 29 book up from tomorrow for your vaccine

[arista]

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[Niamh.]

Getting my first dose on Friday, it's going to be the Pfizer one

[bots]

Getting my first dose on Friday, it's going to be the Pfizer one

happy sore arm :laugh:

[Niamh.]

happy sore arm :laugh:

I hope I don't have any major side effects because we're going away for the weekend the following day :worry:

[bots]

I hope I don't have any major side effects because we're going away for the weekend the following day :worry:

you will be fine

[Beso]

Getting my first dose on Friday, it's going to be the Pfizer one

Take a paraetemol b4 you go.

[Niamh.]

Take a paraetemol b4 you go.

Will do, thanks :thumbs:

[Cherie]

Getting my first dose on Friday, it's going to be the Pfizer one

Yay

[user104658]

I hope I don't have any major side effects because we're going away for the weekend the following day :worry:

APPARENTLY fewer with Pfizer 1st dose than AZ - you probably will have a sore/stiff arm though so don't plan on carrying heavy cases :laugh:.

I made the absolutely wonderful decision to take a load of old, heavy furniture to the dump the same day as my first and I'm pretty sure made my arm 10x worse, because it was nowhere near as sore the next day for my 2nd.

[Niamh.]

APPARENTLY fewer with Pfizer 1st dose than AZ - you probably will have a sore/stiff arm though so don't plan on carrying heavy cases :laugh:.

I made the absolutely wonderful decision to take a load of old, heavy furniture to the dump the same day as my first and I'm pretty sure made my arm 10x worse, because it was nowhere near as sore the next day for my 2nd.

Yeah my mom had some bad side effects but she got AZ. My uncle got clots in his lungs after the Pfizer jab though :worry: (he's OK now, after his 2nd trip to the Doctor she got him checked out properly and they were able to treat him)

[Ammi]

Getting my first dose on Friday, it's going to be the Pfizer one

I hope I don't have any major side effects because we're going away for the weekend the following day :worry:

….:love:…you’ll be totally fine in going away as well…happy vaccine day and have a lovely time…:love:…

[Niamh.]

….:love:…you’ll be totally fine in going away as well…happy vaccine day and have a lovely time…:love:…

Thanks I can't wait, it's been so long since we were able to go anywhere :love:

[Ammi]

Thanks I can't wait, it's been so long since we were able to go anywhere :love:

…I know, it’s lovely to freedom and plans again…I don’t have a huge amount but I do have a little diary to check again when things are happening …:laugh:…I’m so tired, I can’t keep up with it all….

[Niamh.]

…I know, it’s lovely to freedom and plans again…I don’t have a huge amount but I do have a little diary to check again when things are happening …:laugh:…I’m so tired, I can’t keep up with it all….

Oh our cinema's opened up for the first time in months yesterday, we went to see a Quiet place 2

[Ammi]

Oh our cinema's opened up for the first time in months yesterday, we went to see a Quiet place 2

…I know, a proper social life like we always dreamed of and distantly remembered…:flutter:…

[user104658]

Enjoy it while you can folks, we’ve got a few months tops.

:shrug:

[Zizu]

Enjoy it while you can folks, we’ve got a few months tops.

:shrug:



Optimist :)


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[smudgie]

Our daughter had her first jab today.
Moderna. She is getting a few hot flushes, but it is a hot day.

One of the older teachers at her school has been given an appointment for her booster jab...I thought jab 3 was starting in the autumn but we must be up to speed so starting early.

[Cherie]

Our daughter had her first jab today.
Moderna. She is getting a few hot flushes, but it is a hot day.

One of the older teachers at her school has been given an appointment for her booster jab...I thought jab 3 was starting in the autumn but we must be up to speed so starting early.

Gosh really when is she getting her booster and more importantly will it be the same vac or a different one

[Captain.Remy]

Husband and I got our first Pfizer dose yesterday!
That fireman who gave us the shot was cute and gave us a candy too :laugh:

[Cherie]

Husband and I got our first Pfizer dose yesterday!
That fireman who gave us the shot was cute and gave us a candy too :laugh:

Congrats!

So how are they rolling it out in France?

[Captain.Remy]

Congrats!

So how are they rolling it out in France?

Thanks! Since May 31st, all adults above 18 y-o without any illness can get vaccinated. It was supposed to be from mid-June but Macron was satisfied enough with the numbers so he opened it to everyone two weeks earlier. Teenagers will be allowed as from end of June I think.

[Cherie]

Thanks! Since May 31st, all adults above 18 y-o without any illness can get vaccinated. It was supposed to be from mid-June but Macron was satisfied enough with the numbers so he opened it to everyone two weeks earlier. Teenagers will be allowed as from end of June I think.

Oh cool, what’s take up like?

[bots]

Our daughter had her first jab today.
Moderna. She is getting a few hot flushes, but it is a hot day.

One of the older teachers at her school has been given an appointment for her booster jab...I thought jab 3 was starting in the autumn but we must be up to speed so starting early.

they are still deciding what the best approach is for that. Whether its needed, whether a mix is better etc, so i'm guessing its something else

[smudgie]

they are still deciding what the best approach is for that. Whether its needed, whether a mix is better etc, so i'm guessing its something else

Must be.
I wonder if they are going to start the flu jabs early so they can fit those Covid jab boosters in autumn.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands total of vaccinations done as of today 9th June 2021: nearing11 million mark out of 17 million population

yesterday another record of amount of jabs administered, over 1 million, and they think they might break that record again, if they can get up to 1.5 million people a jab, a day


First Dose: 7.372.906

Second Dose: 3.401.840

Total: 10.774.716

[arista]

President Biden
has Bought 500 Million Pfizer Vaccines
for the World poor nations

[Cherie]

President Biden
has Bought 500 Million Pfizer Vaccines
for the World poor nations

Fantastic contribution

[arista]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

First dose total
40,886,878

Second dose total
28,857,102

[Vanessa]

President Biden
has Bought 500 Million Pfizer Vaccines
for the World poor nations

Brilliant!

[arista]

[G7 summit: UK to donate at least 100 million surplus
COVID vaccine doses to other countries
within the next year, ]


https://news.sky.com/story/g7-summit-uk-to-donate-at-least-100-million-surplus-covid-vaccine-doses-to-other-countries-within-next-year-boris-johnson-pledges-12329816

[arista]

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[Cherie]

[G7 summit: UK to donate at least 100 million surplus
COVID vaccine doses to other countries
within the next year, ]


https://news.sky.com/story/g7-summit-uk-to-donate-at-least-100-million-surplus-covid-vaccine-doses-to-other-countries-within-next-year-boris-johnson-pledges-12329816

Fantastic

[Niamh.]

Just had mine done, waiting for 15 minutes now before I can leave the centre

[bots]

Just had mine done, waiting for 15 minutes now before I can leave the centre

great!

I wasnt asked to stay, i was just told not to drive for 15 mins after. Not quite sure what medical assistance would have been available to me in a shopping centre car park :laugh:

[user104658]

It's now 2 weeks since my second dose and I haven't died of a blood clot yet so I'm pretty optimistic?

[user104658]

I did think I was having horrendous side effects / had the COVID anyway earlier this week but it turns out I just have a nasty bog-standard cold. Remember colds?? I have one! It's horrible, I thought they were gone now.

[Niamh.]

great!

I wasnt asked to stay, i was just told not to drive for 15 mins after. Not quite sure what medical assistance would have been available to me in a shopping centre car park :laugh:

I have to say they have a really great system going where I went, like clockwork really. Feeling fine anyway so far, my arm feels a little bit floaty? but not sore or anything

It's now 2 weeks since my second dose and I haven't died of a blood clot yet so I'm pretty optimistic?

My uncle did get clots but he's ok now, they were able to treat him, he's older though, in his 70's

[bots]

I have to say they have a really great system going where I went, like clockwork really. Feeling fine anyway so far, my arm feels a little bit floaty? but not sore or anything



They completely changed the system at my place between the first and 2nd jab which isn't good for old folks like me :fist:

[Niamh.]

They completely changed the system at my place between the first and 2nd jab which isn't good for old folks like me :fist:

:laugh:

[Nicky91]

according to EC - European Commission, 100 million of 350 million adults in the EU are fully vaccinated

[user104658]

great!

I wasnt asked to stay, i was just told not to drive for 15 mins after. Not quite sure what medical assistance would have been available to me in a shopping centre car park :laugh:

The first time they asked if I had come by myself and I said no my wife is driving and the nice lady said it was OK for me to go home, if I felt fine.

The second time the surly gentleman said "How'd you get here?" and I said my wife drove and he said "Right you can go" and turned away to his tablet.

:oh: most rude.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: today is the turn for people born in 1991



well i don't want it, but only because i never go anywhere, i don't socialize lol



i'm happy the way things are going for those who do socialize anyway

[bots]

The first time they asked if I had come by myself and I said no my wife is driving and the nice lady said it was OK for me to go home, if I felt fine.

The second time the surly gentleman said "How'd you get here?" and I said my wife drove and he said "Right you can go" and turned away to his tablet.

:oh: most rude.

in fairness it must be pretty difficult to remain pleasant when you have just asked this same questions for the 15 millionth time

[Glenn.]

Just had mine

[Zizu]

Just had mine


Excellent. First or second ?


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[user104658]

in fairness it must be pretty difficult to remain pleasant when you have just asked this same questions for the 15 millionth time

I am a sweet boy who needs gentle encouragement though and I found him to be very gruff.

[Ammi]

…I hadn’t read some of the vaccine conspiracies…that this is how Magneto was formed…


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….there is no explanation at all why those things stick to her…oh….

[Cherie]

…I hadn’t read some of the vaccine conspiracies…that this is how Magneto was formed…


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….there is no explanation at all why those things stick to her…oh….

:joker::joker:

[Cherie]

78% adults first dose
56% two doses

[user104658]

"It sticks to my neck, too!" *slap, slap.... slap.... s... slap...*

:joker:

[Cherie]

Any questions? Why isn't it sticking to your neck :worry:

[Niamh.]

No side effects still for me, other than my arm is a bit more sore but it's not too bad

[Zizu]

No side effects still for me, other than my arm is a bit more sore but it's not too bad


Good !!


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[Ammi]

…enjoy your weekend…:love:..stay away from metals as much as possible, though…

[Zizu]

One of my colleagues at work had had one jab then was due to have her second jab just before the half term holiday but decided to put it off until AFTER the break .. she’s an intelligent lady and the reason she gave was that she was really bad for a few days after the first jab and wanted to enjoy her break with her family ...


You guessed it .. she’s been off work all week and really, really poorly and her break was completely ruined anyways .


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[Niamh.]

…enjoy your weekend…:love:..stay away from metals as much as possible, though…[emoji28] thanks Ammi, will do :love:

[Cherie]

No side effects still for me, other than my arm is a bit more sore but it's not too bad

:love: enjoy Kerry!

[Cherie]

I'm having my second jab tomorrow, just got a email to say I could bring my second jab forward and was able to book up for the am :dance:

[bots]

nice one, getting the 2nd jab as quickly as possible seems to be the most sensible strategy

[Kate!]

I'm having my second jab tomorrow, just got a email to say I could bring my second jab forward and was able to book up for the am :dance:

Great Cherie x

[user104658]

One of my colleagues at work had had one jab then was due to have her second jab just before the half term holiday but decided to put it off until AFTER the break .. she’s an intelligent lady and the reason she gave was that she was really bad for a few days after the first jab and wanted to enjoy her break with her family ...


You guessed it .. she’s been off work all week and really, really poorly and her break was completely ruined anyways .


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TO BE FAAIIIIIR
(I'm assuming non-Covid illness?)

If she got ill so soon after it was due she was probably already ill at that point, just not symptomatic, and you shouldn't really get a vaccine if you're in the process of fighting another bug. So probably just as well she skipped it.

[user104658]

nice one, getting the 2nd jab as quickly as possible seems to be the most sensible strategy

Well. Sort of. They did find that efficacy is slightly better if you wait 8 weeks, though they can give it any time after 3 weeks, and up to 12(+, it seems). So if you DON'T think you're at high risk of catching it (e.g. you WFH/limit going out/are not in a hotspot area) then most sensible is probably to get it as close to 8 weeks as possible. If you think you're at risk of exposure (e.g. working with the public, in a hotspot area, just can't resist the pub) then yes ASAP after 3 weeks is sensible.

[Zizu]

TO BE FAAIIIIIR
(I'm assuming non-Covid illness?)

If she got ill so soon after it was due she was probably already ill at that point, just not symptomatic, and you shouldn't really get a vaccine if you're in the process of fighting another bug. So probably just as well she skipped it.


She’s actually got Covid19 I should have made it clearer sorry


She was perfectly well when it was due but she passed on the opportunity of the second jab .. but then tested positive and she’s been very poorly for nearly two weeks now

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[Cherie]

Mr C has had his email now as well, we are both just coming up to 8 weeks post first vaccine couldn't get him booked in at the same time :oh:

[user104658]

She’s actually got Covid19 I should have made it clearer sorry


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Ahh well it would have made no difference then; I think recommendations are to NOT get vaccinated if you currently have Covid (it makes no difference basically, waste of a dose), and to wait 3 months after having it to get vaccinated. Although that's for first dose, I'm not actually 100% sure about 2nd dose.

Assuming she recovers fine, the natural immune response + first dose will probably take her to two-dose immunity levels for several months anyway...

[Zizu]

Ahh well it would have made no difference then; I think recommendations are to NOT get vaccinated if you currently have Covid (it makes no difference basically, waste of a dose), and to wait 3 months after having it to get vaccinated. Although that's for first dose, I'm not actually 100% sure about 2nd dose.

Assuming she recovers fine, the natural immune response + first dose will probably take her to two-dose immunity levels for several months anyway...


Interesting


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[Niamh.]

:love: enjoy Kerry!So nice here and the weather is gorgeous too [emoji7]

[Tom4784]

I had my vaccine earlier today, I've got an aching arm but that's about it so far. I had a panic at first since I have a phobia of needles that relates to something that happened when I was younger but I got through it. By the end of August I'll be fully vaccinated which will be a relief.

[Ammi]

I had my vaccine earlier today, I've got an aching arm but that's about it so far. I had a panic at first since I have a phobia of needles that relates to something that happened when I was younger but I got through it. By the end of August I'll be fully vaccinated which will be a relief.

…Super Dezzy..(…the first step …)….well done, I’m so pleased for you…you didn’t just overcome your fear for the vaccine, you overcame it completely, which is no small thing…:hug:…

[bots]

i think a lot of us have an aversion to needles. My approach was to look the other way and told them just to get on with it as quickly as possible :laugh:

[Ammi]

…yeah, needles aren’t something that we would prefer to have stuck into us…I don’t have a phobia, though …it’s another layer of difficulty for those who do have and can actually prevent from having the vaccine in some cases…there are sites with help suggestions for that if anyone else feels huge anxieties about it….

[user104658]

I’m not bothered about needles really, plus the tiny little vaccine needle is nothing compared to the big chonky boi needle you get when they’re taking bloods (or donating blood).

Last time I had to give bloods (my “I’m an old man now” checkup when I turned 35) the nurse made an absolute MESS of my arm with the bloods needle. Horrendous bruising.

The vaccine needle is barely a scratch.

[Ammi]

…that’s the thing with phobias, they don’t have a level of ‘rational’ attached to them…so very easily create those panic attacks and those fears will have prevented some from having their vaccines so far, I would say…

[Ammi]

…I’ve had so many needles for so many different reasons in my life, if I was a Marvel character, I’d probably be Acupuncture Woman….

[bots]

…that’s the thing with phobias, they don’t have a level of ‘rational’ attached to them…so very easily create those panic attacks and those fears will have prevented some from having their vaccines so far, I would say…

it's a similar thing with going to the dentist. Some people would rather have tooth pain than go near a dentist chair. If you have a genuine phobia it's very difficult to overcome it

[Ammi]

it's a similar thing with going to the dentist. Some people would rather have tooth pain than go near a dentist chair. If you have a genuine phobia it's very difficult to overcome it

…strangely I have a dentist appointment this morning, it’s the first one in over a year as my practise have only begun regular routine appointments again since COVID days…I don’t have any anxieties about the dentist bit itself but I’m really struggling with someone being so up close and personal to my face…my regular dentist left just before the COVID times so it’s a complete stranger as well…and I think that maybe that’s the bit that’s creating the most anxiety, that I’ve never seen this person before so haven’t built up any level of trust with him…

[Ammi]

it's a similar thing with going to the dentist. Some people would rather have tooth pain than go near a dentist chair. If you have a genuine phobia it's very difficult to overcome it

…yeah, that’s what Dezzy said…that he had a phobia and that’s such a difficult thing to overcome to the extent that it’s been the cause of some not yet having any vaccinations…

[Cherie]

I had my second jab yesterday morning, fully expected to wake up with a sore arm but nothing so far :dance:

I did ask why I was called as I am under 50 :smug: (just :worry) but she said individual surgeries were calling if they had done all their over 50s :smug:

[Ammi]

…well done, Cherie…:love:…you’ve completed the course and no longer need to wear your training/working from home uniform…(…I know that you work from home anyway but…)….

https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/henri-vezina-work-from-home-collection-5f9016a93bccc__700.jpg


…James should have done a new TiBB award for the vaccinated…it feels like we all deserve that in our avatars…

[Cherie]

…well done, Cherie…:love:…you’ve completed the course and no longer need to wear your training/working from home uniform…(…I know that you work from home anyway but…)….

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…James should have done a new TiBB award for the vaccinated…it feels like we all deserve that in our avatars…

we should have blue ticks, then we can roam the forum at will :laugh:

[user104658]

I did ask why I was called as I am under 50 :smug: (just :worry) but she said individual surgeries were calling if they had done all their over 50s :smug:

That's the excuse they use when they don't want to say "Well to be honest you were looking a bit rough round the edges when we saw you for your first dose Cherie so we thought we'd make an exception".

[Cherie]

That's the excuse they use when they don't want to say "Well to be honest you were looking a bit rough round the edges when we saw you for your first dose Cherie so we thought we'd make an exception".


:oh:

[Cherie]

Mr C also has his and he has no symptoms either, hope they didn't give us a dud :worry:

[bots]

Mr C also has his and he has no symptoms either, hope they didn't give us a dud :worry:

my symptoms were much much milder than the first jab and kicked in quite a bit later ... so, i think the side effects are very variable

[Cherie]

my symptoms were much much milder than the first jab and kicked in quite a bit later ... so, i think the side effects are very variable

He had none first time round either, maybe a bit tired but other than that nada

[Tom4784]

…that’s the thing with phobias, they don’t have a level of ‘rational’ attached to them…so very easily create those panic attacks and those fears will have prevented some from having their vaccines so far, I would say…

Yeah, it's not pain that bothers me (The needle itself felt like being scratched with a particularly dull finger nail) I just get queasy about things going into my skin. I was a bit shaky for a few minutes afterwards while I waited out the 15 minutes, I think the people on hand were a bit worried for me :laugh:

[Tom4784]

I also seem to have little in the way of symptoms which is nice, my arm is aching but the rest of my family were bedridden so I've got off lucky.

[Zizu]

Sky News reporting that one vaccination is thought to give just 33% cover against the Delta / Indian variant :(


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[user104658]

Sky News reporting that one vaccination is thought to give just 33% cover against the Delta / Indian variant :(


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That's been known for a while, stats were posted on here over a week ago. 33% one dose, they originally said 67% AZ and 93% Pfizer after second dose, although I believe latest figures actually place both around 85%.

[arista]

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[Cherie]

All over 18s will be called by end of week

[arista]

All over 18s will be called by end of week



Yes Great News All those over 18
can get a Vaccine by Friday.

[arista]

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[Cherie]

any aged 21 can sign up from today

[Nicky91]

oh i also got a letter for my age group few days ago, but nope, not getting vaccinated, my mom wants me to change my mind about this, but no i stick to this opinion, i don't want that heart side effect thing which is a side effect for younger people



i literally told my mom: if we haven't got own opinion or own choice, this must be north korea :joker: :joker:

[Cherie]

oh i also got a letter for my age group few days ago, but nope, not getting vaccinated, my mom wants me to change my mind about this, but no i stick to this opinion, i don't want that heart side effect thing which is a side effect for younger people



i literally told my mom: if we haven't got own opinion or own choice, this must be north korea :joker: :joker:

has you Mom been vaccinated now?

[Vanessa]

oh i also got a letter for my age group few days ago, but nope, not getting vaccinated, my mom wants me to change my mind about this, but no i stick to this opinion, i don't want that heart side effect thing which is a side effect for younger people



i literally told my mom: if we haven't got own opinion or own choice, this must be north korea :joker: :joker:

It's ok. It's up to you if you ger vaccinated or not.
But be careful and wear a mask when required.

[Beso]

Care workers to lose their jobs if they dont get the vaccine within 16 weeks.

[user104658]

Care workers to lose their jobs if they dont get the vaccine within 16 weeks.

This is being made out to be "controversial" but there have always been a list of vaccinations that registered nurses are expected to have... they double check immunity to the "basics" (measles, mumps, german measles etc.) and also against things like Hep B. The vast majority of healthcare employers would require these at a bare minimum. So it's not really "odd" at all that Covid vaccine would be mandatory for healthcare staff. Healthcare assistants without a professional registration aren't normally under as strict obligations, but I don't think it's much of a stretch to expect it.

[Cherie]

This is being made out to be "controversial" but there have always been a list of vaccinations that registered nurses are expected to have... they double check immunity to the "basics" (measles, mumps, german measles etc.) and also against things like Hep B. The vast majority of healthcare employers would require these at a bare minimum. So it's not really "odd" at all that Covid vaccine would be mandatory for healthcare staff. Healthcare assistants without a professional registration aren't normally under as strict obligations, but I don't think it's much of a stretch to expect it.

Yes I agree, I listened to a lady this morning who had two young children who require medical supervision in school, they have been shielding for over a year, and now the kids are back in school but they can't confirm the staff looking after her children have been vaccinated. I don't think that is right

[Beso]

This is being made out to be "controversial" but there have always been a list of vaccinations that registered nurses are expected to have... they double check immunity to the "basics" (measles, mumps, german measles etc.) and also against things like Hep B. The vast majority of healthcare employers would require these at a bare minimum. So it's not really "odd" at all that Covid vaccine would be mandatory for healthcare staff. Healthcare assistants without a professional registration aren't normally under as strict obligations, but I don't think it's much of a stretch to expect it.


This is only effecting people in social care though, they are not required to take vaccinations against anything..they can be blood tested yes, but that is taking something out of someones arm, rather than putting something into the arm.

[Nicky91]

has you Mom been vaccinated now?

my mom had her first dose last sunday

my dad had his first dose few weeks ago


my nan had her second dose last sunday



all with pfizer

[Cherie]

my mom had her first dose last sunday

my dad had his first dose few weeks ago


my nan had her second dose last sunday



all with pfizer

aw cool, they will give you protection as well :dance:

[user104658]

This is only effecting people in social care though, they are not required to take vaccinations against anything..they can be blood tested yes, but that is taking something out of someones arm, rather than putting something into the arm.

Yes but I think the principle stands, if you choose to take a job where you are in a position of responsibility with vulnerable people (such as a HCA in a care home) then you accept that there might be requirements that go beyond most jobs. At the end of the day, people should absolutely have the right to choose what goes into their body, but they do NOT have the right to "choose" to put the vulnerable people they are responsible for at increased risk. They can't keep doing the job safely, and so they can't keep doing the job at all. It isn't removing their choice. It's just that "the best of both worlds to suit" is not one of the available choices. It rarely is. We as grown-ups understand that, right Parmy?

[bots]

The uptake of vaccination of care staff in london is 23% so it's going to be interesting in a few weeks time

[Cherie]

The uptake of vaccination of care staff in london is 23% so it's going to be interesting in a few weeks time

Horrifically low :bored:

[Zizu]

Good news

###


Sky News

A new drug to treat COVID has been described as "very exciting" in its ability to lessen the effects of the virus in seriously ill people.

It uses a therapy called monoclonal antibodies - artificially manufactured proteins that prevent the virus attacking the body.

What are monoclonal antibodies?

Monoclonal antibodies have been around for a while, used to treat other diseases like cancer.

Once introduced to the body, they stick to antigens - proteins on the outside of a cell, bacteria or other molecular structure like a virus, capable of causing disease.


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[arista]

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[bots]

Health Secretary Matt Hancock has just confirmed that everyone aged 18 and over in England will be able to book their Covid-19 vaccine from tomorrow.

Speaking at the NHS Confed conference, Hancock says a first dose has now been given to four out of five adults

[Cherie]

Health Secretary Matt Hancock has just confirmed that everyone aged 18 and over in England will be able to book their Covid-19 vaccine from tomorrow.

Speaking at the NHS Confed conference,Hopeless Hancock says a first dose has now been given to four out of five adults


fixed that for you :laugh:

[bots]

fixed that for you :laugh:

:joker:

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: total of vaccinations (first, second dose numbers combined) 13 million out of population of 17 million


not bad, going the right way for my 'herd immunity' views, more socializers to get the jab hopefully


i myself don't want it, i am not anti-vaxxer either, vaccinating is our way out of it yes true but i still feel like we can shut down this virus once we got the spread slowed down enough for it to become weaker rather than stronger

[Cherie]

80% received first dose

59% fully vaccinated

[Cherie]

Our Town hall has a walk in vaccination hub for anyone over 18 who needs their first or second jab this weekend, no appointment

And a vaccination bus touring :laugh:

[bots]

a vaccination hub appeared here out of nowhere. If it had opened earlier it would have saved me a 60 mile round trip to get the jab

[Vanessa]

a vaccination hub appeared here out of nowhere. If it had opened earlier it would have saved me a 60 mile round trip to get the jab

Same here.
Good to see how hard they're trying to get everyone protected.

[Ammi]

Fans who had AstraZeneca vaccine won’t be allowed into Bruce Springsteen’s New York concerts…


Anyone who has had the AstraZeneca vaccine will be barred from attending Bruce Springsteen’s comeback shows in New York next week.

The intimate five-night run at the St James theatre will be the first Broadway show to reopen since last March and will require attendees to show proof of vaccination, reports The Telegraph.

However, the list will be limited only to jabs approved by the US Food and Drug Administration - Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech and Johnson & Johnson.

Any potential concert-goers who received their Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine overseas will be left with the prospect of being turned away at the door should they book tickets.


…full article…

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/fans-had-astrazeneca-vaccine-won-070131015.html

[user104658]

Fans who had AstraZeneca vaccine won’t be allowed into Bruce Springsteen’s New York concerts…


Anyone who has had the AstraZeneca vaccine will be barred from attending Bruce Springsteen’s comeback shows in New York next week.

The intimate five-night run at the St James theatre will be the first Broadway show to reopen since last March and will require attendees to show proof of vaccination, reports The Telegraph.

However, the list will be limited only to jabs approved by the US Food and Drug Administration - Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech and Johnson & Johnson.

Any potential concert-goers who received their Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine overseas will be left with the prospect of being turned away at the door should they book tickets.


…full article…

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/fans-had-astrazeneca-vaccine-won-070131015.html

Damn I had just booked my flights.

Doesn't make a huge amount of sense as I assume it's not been approved because of safety concerns rather than because they don't think it works... but it will be a technicality, I suppose. I would imagine most countries will only consider approved vaccines to be "valid". I bet UK events won't accept Sputnik for example.

[DouglasS]

Fans who had AstraZeneca vaccine won’t be allowed into Bruce Springsteen’s New York concerts…


Anyone who has had the AstraZeneca vaccine will be barred from attending Bruce Springsteen’s comeback shows in New York next week.

The intimate five-night run at the St James theatre will be the first Broadway show to reopen since last March and will require attendees to show proof of vaccination, reports The Telegraph.

However, the list will be limited only to jabs approved by the US Food and Drug Administration - Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech and Johnson & Johnson.

Any potential concert-goers who received their Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine overseas will be left with the prospect of being turned away at the door should they book tickets.


…full article…

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/fans-had-astrazeneca-vaccine-won-070131015.html

:skull:

Ngl this made me laugh

[bots]

We've been talking to Professor Adam Finn, a member of the JCVI, about the news that hospitalisations due to the Delta variant in England have doubled in a week.

He says: "This variant that has now taken over from the Alpha is clearly significantly more infectious...and regrettably it is more likely to end you up in hospital if you're unlucky enough to get it.

"The one bit of good news around this is that the rate of rise of hospitalisations is not as fast as the rate of the rise in cases. So we are preventing a lot of hospitalisations with the vaccine programme but not all of them."

He says another piece of "really good news" is that if you've had two doses of Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines you're "more or less guaranteed not to end up in hospital". And even one dose, once immunity kicks in, will "very substantially reduce the risk of ending up in hospital", he says.

Prof Finn says: "If you live in an area where there aren't particularly large numbers of cases, now is the time to get immunised because it takes time for these vaccines to work and you really do want to get the protection before the virus arrives to avoid the risks.

"Don't neglect to get immunised, even if your perception is that your locality isn't particularly a problem one at the moment, it might be next week or the week after."

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[user104658]

We've been talking to Professor Adam Finn, a member of the JCVI, about the news that hospitalisations due to the Delta variant in England have doubled in a week.

He says: "This variant that has now taken over from the Alpha is clearly significantly more infectious...and regrettably it is more likely to end you up in hospital if you're unlucky enough to get it.

"The one bit of good news around this is that the rate of rise of hospitalisations is not as fast as the rate of the rise in cases. So we are preventing a lot of hospitalisations with the vaccine programme but not all of them."

He says another piece of "really good news" is that if you've had two doses of Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines you're "more or less guaranteed not to end up in hospital". And even one dose, once immunity kicks in, will "very substantially reduce the risk of ending up in hospital", he says.

Prof Finn says: "If you live in an area where there aren't particularly large numbers of cases, now is the time to get immunised because it takes time for these vaccines to work and you really do want to get the protection before the virus arrives to avoid the risks.

"Don't neglect to get immunised, even if your perception is that your locality isn't particularly a problem one at the moment, it might be next week or the week after."

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I honestly find it hard to dig out the truth of the stats in a lot of these articles recently, because I feel like often they're designed to encourage people to get vaccinated, be that skeptics or just those who are dragging their heels.

[arista]

Total — 1st dose 42,460,632

Total — 2nd dose 30,898,467

Vaccinations given
Total
73,359,099


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

[Cherie]

Olympic Park vaccination hub is open this weekend for anyone over 18, appointment only

[bots]

Publisher Bloomsbury says vaccines will be compulsory for UK staff returning to its offices when they reopen.

The Harry Potter publisher's decision comes as many firms weigh up the necessity of workforce vaccinations.

The government has announced that care home workers in England will be required to have a vaccination or risk losing their jobs.

Almost 42 million people in the UK have received at least one dose of the coronavirus vaccine.

Bloomsbury told The Bookseller magazine, which first reported the story, that it had taken both "medical and scientific advice".

"The simple fact is that this virus is still extremely dangerous."

Bank of America has also confirmed that all of its vaccinated employees can return to the office in early September, as more than 70,000 staff have voluntarily disclosed their vaccine status.

Pimlico Plumbers meanwhile, said it would require compulsory vaccination for staff, with the company having already said it would not hire anybody new who was not vaccinated.

Bloomsbury, which is due to reopen on 19 July, made employees aware of the policy in an email ahead of the second May Bank Holiday weekend.

A spokesperson for the company told The Bookseller that "the wellbeing of our staff has been our overarching concern in all our decisions since the start of the pandemic".

"We recently reported the tragic deaths of two Bloomsbury staff from Covid. We will continue to make our own decisions, conscious of the serious consequences of making the wrong ones.

"Inevitably, not everyone will agree. We accept this and, as with so many decisions in the pandemic, we have to do what we believe is right for the wellbeing of all our staff."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57481895

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This is going to become the norm

[user104658]

Publisher Bloomsbury says vaccines will be compulsory for UK staff returning to its offices when they reopen.

The Harry Potter publisher's decision comes as many firms weigh up the necessity of workforce vaccinations.

The government has announced that care home workers in England will be required to have a vaccination or risk losing their jobs.

Almost 42 million people in the UK have received at least one dose of the coronavirus vaccine.

Bloomsbury told The Bookseller magazine, which first reported the story, that it had taken both "medical and scientific advice".

"The simple fact is that this virus is still extremely dangerous."

Bank of America has also confirmed that all of its vaccinated employees can return to the office in early September, as more than 70,000 staff have voluntarily disclosed their vaccine status.

Pimlico Plumbers meanwhile, said it would require compulsory vaccination for staff, with the company having already said it would not hire anybody new who was not vaccinated.

Bloomsbury, which is due to reopen on 19 July, made employees aware of the policy in an email ahead of the second May Bank Holiday weekend.

A spokesperson for the company told The Bookseller that "the wellbeing of our staff has been our overarching concern in all our decisions since the start of the pandemic".

"We recently reported the tragic deaths of two Bloomsbury staff from Covid. We will continue to make our own decisions, conscious of the serious consequences of making the wrong ones.

"Inevitably, not everyone will agree. We accept this and, as with so many decisions in the pandemic, we have to do what we believe is right for the wellbeing of all our staff."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57481895

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This is going to become the norm


I suspect they're on very shaky legal ground here, unlike care homes/healthcare there's no aspect here of working with vulnerable members of the public and I doubt it's legal to dismiss a staff member for refusing a medical procedure -- which is what this would amount to. I think they'd be wide open to unfair dismissal claims unless the law is changed first.

On balance I hope it is challenged legally and is found to not be legal. I fully encourage everyone to get their Covid vaccinations but this is an extremely worrying route for us to start going down in terms of precedent.

[Cherie]

Not mandatory at all then aye

[Nicky91]

I suspect they're on very shaky legal ground here, unlike care homes/healthcare there's no aspect here of working with vulnerable members of the public and I doubt it's legal to dismiss a staff member for refusing a medical procedure -- which is what this would amount to. I think they'd be wide open to unfair dismissal claims unless the law is changed first.

On balance I hope it is challenged legally and is found to not be legal. I fully encourage everyone to get their Covid vaccinations but this is an extremely worrying route for us to start going down in terms of precedent.

sorry to adjust you, but we fully encourage everyone with most active social life to get their covid vaccinations, fully vaccinated is best, don't let covid get to you, and help with slowing down the spread

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Fans who had AstraZeneca vaccine won’t be allowed into Bruce Springsteen’s New York concerts…


Anyone who has had the AstraZeneca vaccine will be barred from attending Bruce Springsteen’s comeback shows in New York next week.

The intimate five-night run at the St James theatre will be the first Broadway show to reopen since last March and will require attendees to show proof of vaccination, reports The Telegraph.

However, the list will be limited only to jabs approved by the US Food and Drug Administration - Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech and Johnson & Johnson.

Any potential concert-goers who received their Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine overseas will be left with the prospect of being turned away at the door should they book tickets.


…full article…

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/fans-had-astrazeneca-vaccine-won-070131015.html

amazing :clap1:

[bots]

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has received a dose of Moderna as her second shot of coronavirus vaccine having had Oxford-AstraZeneca as her first, a government spokesman said.

The 66-year-old leader was vaccinated a few days ago after getting a dose of AstraZeneca in April.

Experts believe mixed dosing of Covid vaccines could be a good idea but it too early to say for sure.

[Nicky91]

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2021/06/22/Philippines-President-Rodrigo-Duterte-threatens-jail-refuse-COVID-19-vaccine/6301624395792/

can that Duterte be hanged pls, vile dictator


you can't threaten people who refuse vaccine with jail sentences


philippines under this piece of **** becoming more north korea 2.0 :yuk:

[Cherie]

82% first dose

60% both doses

[Vanessa]

82% first dose

60% both doses

That's amazing.
One more month and we could actually finish the vaccination programme!

[Zizu]

Intriguing !!

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[MTVN]

Realised this morning that my vaccine appointment was going to clash with England's next game on Tuesday, this was already the third time I booked it after cancelling my last two appointments to play golf instead (priorities :pipe2:)

So I was starting to get fed up of my appointments clashing with important things and went to the pharmacy next door on my lunch today and asked if they had any spares. Half an hour later I'd had my first jab :smug:

Only thing is I'm not sure how best to get my second dose now given I did it without an appointment and the NHS site only let's you book both jabs at the same time :think:

[bots]

Realised this morning that my vaccine appointment was going to clash with England's next game on Tuesday, this was already the third time I booked it after cancelling my last two appointments to play golf instead (priorities :pipe2:)

So I was starting to get fed up of my appointments clashing with important things and went to the pharmacy next door on my lunch today and asked if they had any spares. Half an hour later I'd had my first jab :smug:

Only thing is I'm not sure how best to get my second dose now given I did it without an appointment and the NHS site only let's you book both jabs at the same time :think:

they would take some details so that they knew who you were and it would ultimately be linked to your NHS number. They will either ping you by text message or letter when the next one is due

[bots]

Cathay Pacific has told its aircrew they must get a Covid vaccination by 31 August or risk losing their jobs.

The airline says staff rostering has become "difficult and complicated" because of a need to segregate vaccinated and non-vaccinated crew.

But it says it will "review the future employment of those who are unable to become vaccinated" and "assess whether they can continue to be employed as aircrew".

The Hong Kong-based airline says 90% of its pilots and 65% of its cabin crew have been vaccinated or have appointments to receive the jab.

[DouglasS]

Realised this morning that my vaccine appointment was going to clash with England's next game on Tuesday, this was already the third time I booked it after cancelling my last two appointments to play golf instead (priorities :pipe2:)

So I was starting to get fed up of my appointments clashing with important things and went to the pharmacy next door on my lunch today and asked if they had any spares. Half an hour later I'd had my first jab :smug:

Only thing is I'm not sure how best to get my second dose now given I did it without an appointment and the NHS site only let's you book both jabs at the same time :think:
They will have taken your details and found your nhs number and it’ll all go through, just wait a few days and then when you book it’ll be for your second appointment! I went without an appointment also and I tried booking a week later and it knew it was for my second appointment. A text never came for me but just went online to book it and it was all sorted and it says “second dose” for clarity

[user104658]

When I booked my 2nd dose it just gave the option on the online form of whether it was 1st or 2nd dose.

They double and actually triple-checked at the time anyway - was asked both on entry and by the vaccinator.

[Cherie]

Walk in vaccination centres for first or second dose will be open again this weekend

[MTVN]

they would take some details so that they knew who you were and it would ultimately be linked to your NHS number. They will either ping you by text message or letter when the next one is due

They will have taken your details and found your nhs number and it’ll all go through, just wait a few days and then when you book it’ll be for your second appointment! I went without an appointment also and I tried booking a week later and it knew it was for my second appointment. A text never came for me but just went online to book it and it was all sorted and it says “second dose” for clarity

Ah cool that's good to know, thanks both

[Cherie]

The Emirates Stadium will open as a vaccine hub this weekend and get a free tour of the ground afterwards :D:

[MTVN]

Is there a minimum time after your first jab before you can go to a walk in centre for your second dose? :think:

I'm not worried but have a friend who is desperate to fly home and see her family but will probably need both doses to do so without isolating after. As it stands she won't get her second dose until September by which point summer is over, kids back in school etc

[bots]

Is there a minimum time after your first jab before you can go to a walk in centre for your second dose? :think:

I'm not worried but have a friend who is desperate to fly home and see her family but will probably need both doses to do so without isolating after. As it stands she won't get her second dose until September by which point summer is over, kids back in school etc

it was 11 weeks then they decided to accelerate for older age groups and made it 8 weeks, but i think younger age groups are still 11 weeks at the moment. That could easily change in the next week or 2 if they blast through everyone. I also think they will want all the 2nd jabs done and dusted before they then move on to boosters, so that will drive it too

[Zizu]

it was 11 weeks then they decided to accelerate for older age groups and made it 8 weeks, but i think younger age groups are still 11 weeks at the moment. That could easily change in the next week or 2 if they blast through everyone. I also think they will want all the 2nd jabs done and dusted before they then move on to boosters, so that will drive it too


Wasn’t it just 4 weeks initially ??


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[bots]

Wasn’t it just 4 weeks initially ??


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it was only 4 weeks for pfizer very early on. AZ was always a much longer period. The explanation given at the time was that the longer the interval, the more effective it was. They also thought 1 jab was very effective against the alpha variant, but that doesnt hold true for the delta variant, so they collapsed the interval again

[Zizu]

it was only 4 weeks for pfizer very early on. AZ was always a much longer period. The explanation given at the time was that the longer the interval, the more effective it was. They also thought 1 jab was very effective against the alpha variant, but that doesnt hold true for the delta variant, so they collapsed the interval again


Ah


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[MTVN]

it was 11 weeks then they decided to accelerate for older age groups and made it 8 weeks, but i think younger age groups are still 11 weeks at the moment. That could easily change in the next week or 2 if they blast through everyone. I also think they will want all the 2nd jabs done and dusted before they then move on to boosters, so that will drive it too

Thanks I thought that too but I wonder if they'd actually turn you away if you turned up to a walk in centre for your second jab after say 7/8 weeks :think:

[Alf]

Light at the end of the tunnel thread over half a year old now.

What watt are these light bulbs?

[Cherie]

Light at the end of the tunnel thread over half a year old now.

What watt are these light bulbs?

I make Nov 2020 to date 7 months?

[Cherie]

COVID-19: No need for booster AstraZeneca jab
at the moment, says Oxford Vaccine Group - despite
evidence it restores peak immunity]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...unity-12343859

source Arista

[Nicky91]

Netherlands vaccination numbers

15.2 million total of first, second dose out of population of 17 million

so those numbers aren't bad at all, probably right time that we eased most of our measures now

most/nearly all of elderly, risk group are either fully vaccinated or had at least one dose

also showing in our daily numbers with the new cases going down, and hospitalisations/ICU-ventilator decreasing more and more, and having had no new deaths twice in recent last few days


somewhat 10 million more or less have had their first dose

more or less 5 million fully vaccinated





also Pfizer, Moderna remain effective for more years, so people who were jabbed with either of those don't need to be jabbed next year possibly




now my question i had, when will you reach herd immunity and yes i still somehow believe in that, also what will happen to Covid in years to come, we see it at mutating quite a lot, that might be worrying but tbh it also shows how unstable it basically is, right or am i saying something gibberish now



as for winter, idk i like to remain optimistic that that will not be as awful, i'm not a fearmongering person either, i do think we need to head back into stricter measures near winter




i myself don't want the vaccine since i don't go to many places, i'll avoid the dentist (i checked and unwise to go there these times so i got a extra thorough electrical toothbrush recently bought online and i got mini-brushes which i use for between my teeth for any plaque or tartar)


i am not a anti-vaxxer at all, it is good that many people who do socialize take the vaccine, and i have respect for those people too, i already and still have respect for the covid measures either

and if i should go on holiday in own country, to bungalow park in veluwe, well i'll wear a face mask when going out



i just wanted to have this said, and off my shoulders, not that i'll be looked upon like some bad person for refusing the vaccine

[Livia]

Did anyone see the doctor who developed the vaccination, at Wimbledon yesterday? They announced who she was and the whole place stood and applauded. Nice to see a standing ovation for someone who's made such a massive contribution.

[bots]

yes, it was great to see

[user104658]

That's cos Wimbledon is classy, if you did it at an NFL game in the US she'd have been strung up by Redhats screaming about 5G.

[Livia]

LOL... sad but true, TS...

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: Vaccines also available for the 12 to 17 year olds, health minister Hugo de Jonge wrote this to parliament, based on the advice of the RIVM

this friday the youth who are born in 2004 can make appointments to get vaccinated


RIVM advised to use the Pfizer/BioNTech for those between 12 and 18 whom want that themselves

[Cherie]

Spain are asking for paper copies of vaccination certificates

Ordered ours as I think the 5 day turnaround will turn into 5 weeks when people start travelling again

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/covid-pass/get-your-covid-pass-letter/



https://www.gov.uk/guidance/demonstrating-your-covid-19-status

British holidaymakers with trips booked to Malta have seen their plans thrown into chaos after the country announced it is not accepting the NHS app as proof of vaccination.

From Wednesday, travellers from the UK aged 12 and above are only permitted to enter Malta if they have had both doses of a coronavirus vaccine.

But authorities in the central Mediterranean archipelago revealed on Monday that they will only accept printed letters sent by the NHS as proof.

That means tourists planning to use the NHS app to demonstrate their status face being turned away at UK airports or the border in Malta, even if they are fully vaccinated.

To request an NHS vaccine letter, you have to fill out a form online, which you can only do two weeks after your second jab.

The UK Government's website states that letters then take 'up to five working days' to be delivered.

[bots]

im not going abroad until it settles down and there is certainty in travel. That's unlikely to be this year

[Cherie]

im not going abroad until it settles down and there is certainty in travel. That's unlikely to be this year

You can access Spain now as long as you are vaccinated with no testing required, as soon as it's the same coming back we are off!

[bots]

You can access Spain now as long as you are vaccinated with no testing required, as soon as it's the same coming back we are off!

did you keep your little sticker? i believe that gains access everywhere #superpass

[Marsh.]

How far away is this bloody light? I think everytime this thread is bumped. :joker:

[bots]

from a vaccine perspective the light is shining bright. It's just everything else thats a bit of a mess

[Cherie]

did you keep your little sticker? i believe that gains access everywhere #superpass

I didn’t get a sticker :sad:

[Cherie]

from a vaccine perspective the light is shining bright. It's just everything else thats a bit of a mess

Things are pretty normal from my point of view apart from travel

[Vanessa]

Things are pretty normal from my point of view apart from travel

I'm happy to travel here in the UK.
I don't feel safe enough to go abroad at the moment.

[arista]

Millions set to get Covid-19 booster jab
from September to 'keep virus at bay'

https://news.sky.com/story/millions-set-to-get-covid-booster-jab-from-september-to-keep-virus-at-bay-12345816

[Vanessa]

Millions set to get Covid-19 booster jab
from September to 'keep virus at bay'

https://news.sky.com/story/millions-set-to-get-covid-booster-jab-from-september-to-keep-virus-at-bay-12345816

That's a good idea. It will keep the virus manageable.

[arista]

That's a good idea. It will keep the virus manageable.


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/BED7/production/_119155884_dailymail-nc.png

[bots]

over 50's will be offered a covid jab in one arm and a flu jab in the other. Im glad they are doing it because they need to keep the numbers as low as possible in hospital from both diseases and many dont usually bother with the flu jab

[bots]

Spain are asking for paper copies of vaccination certificates

Ordered ours as I think the 5 day turnaround will turn into 5 weeks when people start travelling again

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/covid-pass/get-your-covid-pass-letter/



https://www.gov.uk/guidance/demonstrating-your-covid-19-status

British holidaymakers with trips booked to Malta have seen their plans thrown into chaos after the country announced it is not accepting the NHS app as proof of vaccination.

From Wednesday, travellers from the UK aged 12 and above are only permitted to enter Malta if they have had both doses of a coronavirus vaccine.

But authorities in the central Mediterranean archipelago revealed on Monday that they will only accept printed letters sent by the NHS as proof.

That means tourists planning to use the NHS app to demonstrate their status face being turned away at UK airports or the border in Malta, even if they are fully vaccinated.

To request an NHS vaccine letter, you have to fill out a form online, which you can only do two weeks after your second jab.

The UK Government's website states that letters then take 'up to five working days' to be delivered.

you can also download a pdf copy of the covid pass from the NHS app and just print it out ... i did mine in 2 mins :laugh:

[Nicky91]

today was the first day in Netherlands for Teenagers to book vaccination appointments

some good news, because the main age group of most new daily cases are in the 18-24 younger people

[Cherie]

you can also download a pdf copy of the covid pass from the NHS app and just print it out ... i did mine in 2 mins :laugh:

My phone is ancient, I can’t even take a photo with it never mind add another app :laugh:

[bots]

My phone is ancient, I can’t even take a photo with it never mind add another app :laugh:

the pass is good because it gives the batch numbers of the vaccine you had, so you can check it. For example, india brand it differently and some of those batches were given in the UK, but not every country is accepting those batches at the moment, even though its identical to the AZ vaccine, it just has a different name on the bottle

[Vanessa]

over 50's will be offered a covid jab in one arm and a flu jab in the other. Im glad they are doing it because they need to keep the numbers as low as possible in hospital from both diseases and many dont usually bother with the flu jab

I don't want the flu vaccine.
Only the booster covid jab.

[Zizu]

I don't want the flu vaccine.
Only the booster covid jab.


Same ... presumably we will get to choose


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[Cherie]

HEALTH chiefs have added a new side effect to the official list for two Covid jabs.
Heart-swelling links had been made between the Pfizer and Moderna jabs in recent weeks, after more cases were reported.
🔵 Read ourcoronavirus live blog for the latest updates
And now the UK’s drugs regulator has updated the safety information to show it is a possible side effect for both.
The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency says the conditions is still “extremely rare” and “typically mild”.
The inflammation of the heart muscle can damage the organ over time.
Experts say the benefits of getting the jab far outweighs the risks, but it could impact the debate on vaccinating kids.
After investigating less than 100 cases in the UK, the MHRA concluded the vaccines could be the cause of swelling reports.
The conditions reported are myocarditis, which causes inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis, inflammation of the lining outside the heart.
Young men are most affected, particularly after a second dose, research shows.
The MHRA said anyone who experiences “chest pain, shortness of breath or feelings of having a fast-beating, fluttering, or pounding heart” after a jab should seek urgent medical attention

[_Seth]

Do we know WHY the second covid jab is being brought forward? I thought they were specifically designed to have both far apart, or was the long gap purely to stagger appointment times?

[bots]

Do we know WHY the second covid jab is being brought forward? I thought they were specifically designed to have both far apart, or was the long gap purely to stagger appointment times?

the original schedule was based on the alpha variant, where 1 jab gave a lot of protection, so it was a case of getting 1 jab in as many arms as possible. With the delta variant, 2 jabs are needed, but > 4 weeks gives additional protection so thats why there is the current time frame

[michael21]

Cherie you getting the booster shot :worry:

[_Seth]

the original schedule was based on the alpha variant, where 1 jab gave a lot of protection, so it was a case of getting 1 jab in as many arms as possible. With the delta variant, 2 jabs are needed, but > 4 weeks gives additional protection so thats why there is the current time frame

1 jab per arm is news to me... I thought as long as it goes in your system that is that. :confused:

So originally the second jab was to just be in the other arm? But now there are to essentially be 4 jabs?

I'm sorry I'm so confused. https://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/icons/icon11.gif

[bots]

1 jab per arm is news to me... I thought as long as it goes in your system that is that. :confused:

So originally the second jab was to just be in the other arm? But now there are to essentially be 4 jabs?

I'm sorry I'm so confused. https://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/icons/icon11.gif

haha, 2 jabs total, and it doesn't matter which arm they go in

[Cherie]

Cherie you getting the booster shot :worry:

Its going to be for over 50s only for now anyway...could change

[Zizu]

haha, 2 jabs total, and it doesn't matter which arm they go in


One in each arm was reported on Sky News last week ( some medical bod)


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[Vanessa]

Its going to be for over 50s only for now anyway...could change

Also for those clinically very vulnerable. I'm one of them.

[Cherie]

For anyone thinking of travelling

Quite a difference in the cost of return tests

https://www.find-travel-test-provider.service.gov.uk/test-type/amber#list-of-test-providers

[Cherie]

One in each arm was reported on Sky News last week ( some medical bod)


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Think they were talking about booster and flu shot in the Autumn

[Zizu]

over 50's will be offered a covid jab in one arm and a flu jab in the other. Im glad they are doing it because they need to keep the numbers as low as possible in hospital from both diseases and many dont usually bother with the flu jab


This is what I was referring to .. a third booster jab in one arm and a Flu jab in the other one


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[Zizu]

Think they were talking about booster and flu shot in the Autumn


Yeah .. My initial post was referring to the one above ..


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[Zizu]

1 jab per arm is news to me... I thought as long as it goes in your system that is that. :confused:

So originally the second jab was to just be in the other arm? But now there are to essentially be 4 jabs?

I'm sorry I'm so confused. https://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/icons/icon11.gif


Think this is the post that started all the confusion :)


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[Zizu]

haha, 2 jabs total, and it doesn't matter which arm they go in


Then this one also muddied the waters as well :)


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Arm??

I had both of mine in the ASS

:omgno:

[bots]

the booster and flu jabs coming up are in different arms, but there is no requirement that each shot of the covid vaccine be in different arms :laugh:

[Zizu]

the booster and flu jabs coming up are in different arms, but there is no requirement that each shot of the covid vaccine be in different arms :laugh:


Exactly

:)


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[michael21]

Arm??

I had both of mine in the ASS

:omgno:

Theses volunteers there don't know what there doing :fist:

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: almost half of all adults have been fully vaccinated

46% as of RIVM's vaccination report of yesterday's meeting


6 months after the first jab, 77% of all 18+ has had a first jab


based on first jabs, Netherlands are average compared to the rest of europe



numbers

first dose: 11.693.749

second dose: 6.228.245

total: 17.960.132

[Niamh.]

I had my 2nd jab yesterday, my arm hurts like a mother****er after this one

[bots]

welcome to the club :dance:

[Niamh.]

welcome to the club :dance:

:love: We're all almost done now, me and Gav have both ours, my daughter is getting hers on Sunday but it's the 1 jab Vaccine and my son had his 1st jab yesterday

[AnnieK]

I had my 2nd jab yesterday, my arm hurts like a mother****er after this one

I had my second last week and it didn't ache this time but on Friday (the day after I had it), the injection site was red hot. It was fine again Saturday but I thought it was literally going to set on fire on the Friday :laugh:

[Niamh.]

I had my second last week and it didn't ache this time but on Friday (the day after I had it), the injection site was red hot. It was fine again Saturday but I thought it was literally going to set on fire on the Friday :laugh:

My first one was absolutely fine, a little bit tender for a day after but nothing major. This time I could tell as soon as I was getting injected it was going to be different, I could feel the stuff going into my arm like lead :laugh:

[user104658]

My first one was absolutely fine, a little bit tender for a day after but nothing major. This time I could tell as soon as I was getting injected it was going to be different, I could feel the stuff going into my arm like lead :laugh:


Bad needle placement. Did it bleed/bleed more than previously?

[bots]

it's only the nanites doing their work, neem will probably have a magnetic arm by now

[Niamh.]

Bad needle placement. Did it bleed/bleed more than previously?

No it didn't bleed at all, either time

[Niamh.]

it's only the nanites doing their work, neem will probably have a magnetic arm by now

:laugh:

[user104658]

No it didn't bleed at all, either time


Well at least they’ve not accidentally stuck it through a vein then :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Well at least they’ve not accidentally stuck it through a vein then :laugh:

:laugh:

[bots]

A decision on routinely offering Covid jabs to under-18s will be made within days, a senior minister has said.

Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick said the government was "very sympathetic" to the idea of inviting children aged 12 to 17 to have a jab.

It comes as every adult in the UK has now been offered a vaccine, with the prime minister hailing the "extraordinary achievement".

[Cherie]

I had my 2nd jab yesterday, my arm hurts like a mother****er after this one

Are you okay now Neem?

[Niamh.]

Are you okay now Neem?Yeah grand now thanks :love:

[Zizu]

The number of 1st doses given has halved over the last 2 weeks !!

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[bots]

the uptake of the vaccine by younger age groups was always going to be much lower. It's as expected

[ThomasC]

I had time in April because I'm special.

[Cherie]

Only 18,000 first jabbed today

[bots]

there were a couple of vaccination centres that popped up close to me a few weeks ago and they have gone again, probably because there is next to no demand anymore. I don't think they will get many more first jabs and i don't think requiring it for night clubs will convince anyone either. It will be holidays abroad that will swing the decision for most and that will be next year