Light at the end of the tunnel - Covid [vaccine news]

[user104658]

Turns out I'm getting my 1st vaccine dose in a couple of weeks :omgno:. Got the letter through today. Because my youngest is autistic and LD and I'm registered as her main carer with our GP - not sure if this is a UK wide thing or just Scotland. A lot earlier than I expected.

[Vicky.]

Turns out I'm getting my 1st vaccine dose in a couple of weeks :omgno:. Got the letter through today. Because my youngest is autistic and LD and I'm registered as her main carer with our GP - not sure if this is a UK wide thing or just Scotland. A lot earlier than I expected.

Ahh this would make sense of the weird fact that my stepson has been offered it. 18 and totally fit and healthy. Made not much sense. And was not mentioned, though tbf he never questioned it, if he asked they would likely tell him! Never thought abut him being a carer for his grandma..

[Cherie]

You can book it yourself if you are a carer

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/

[user104658]

You can book it yourself if you are a carer



https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/Yeah, the letter I got said I had been "identified via my GP" and automatically given an appointment, but also had the general leaflet about it that mentioned being able to book.

[edit]Hmm, that site mentions needing to get Carer's Allowance to qualify which doesn't seem to be the case In Scotland, its being offered to all registered carers. Still unclear if that's the case in England as well :think:

[bots]

i'm getting my jab on Thursday!

[Zizu]

i'm getting my jab on Thursday!



Excellent !!


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[Zizu]

Turns out I'm getting my 1st vaccine dose in a couple of weeks :omgno:. Got the letter through today. Because my youngest is autistic and LD and I'm registered as her main carer with our GP - not sure if this is a UK wide thing or just Scotland. A lot earlier than I expected.



Excellent !!


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[thesheriff443]

My daughter will be getting the vaccine when the paper work comes through, and it sounds as though I will be able to get it too.

[Zizu]

My daughter will be getting the vaccine when the paper work comes through, and it sounds as though I will be able to get it too.



Fingers crossed


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[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/03/first-vaccine-dose-for-everyone-by-early-july-is-realistic-says-health-minister/

Netherlands: first vaccine dose for everyone by early july is realistic, says health minister Hugo de Jonge

The government estimates 85% of adults in the Netherlands are prepared to be vaccinated. Two thirds of them will have had both doses (if necessary) by July and the rest a single dose, or 18 million doses in total, De Jonge said.

However, if deliveries fall short, than delays will be inevitable, De Jonge said. So far nearly 1.4 million doses have been given in the Netherlands, and the country is no longer trailing at the bottom of the EU vaccination league.

The three vaccines currently cleared for use – Moderna, AstraZeneca and Pfizer/Biontech – require two doses but the Janssen vaccine, which is likely to be approved by the European Medicines Agency next week – is a single dose jab.

[Cherie]

Yeah, the letter I got said I had been "identified via my GP" and automatically given an appointment, but also had the general leaflet about it that mentioned being able to book.

[edit]Hmm, that site mentions needing to get Carer's Allowance to qualify which doesn't seem to be the case In Scotland, its being offered to all registered carers. Still unclear if that's the case in England as well :think:

No carers are being given the jab as well even if not qualifying for care allowance, I think that is via the GP route, you can apply yourself if receiving CA though

[Cherie]

i'm getting my jab on Thursday!

My daughter will be getting the vaccine when the paper work comes through, and it sounds as though I will be able to get it too.

TiBB will be fully vaccinated and safe very soon :laugh:

[Nicky91]

TiBB will be fully vaccinated and safe very soon :laugh:

i am still thinking about it, since i read younger people get more chance of nasty side effects after the jab


last few days though i had been swallowing a extra vitamin D pill after dinner with my regular vitamin A/dagravit pill (since i read about how the right quantities of that is effective against corona)

[Cherie]

i am still thinking about it, since i read younger people get more chance of nasty side effects after the jab


last few days though i had been swallowing a extra vitamin D pill after dinner with my regular vitamin A/dagravit pill (since i read about how the right quantities of that is effective against corona)

Yeah consider it Nicky, the Vit D is good as well x

[Zizu]

i am still thinking about it, since i read younger people get more chance of nasty side effects after the jab





last few days though i had been swallowing a extra vitamin D pill after dinner with my regular vitamin A/dagravit pill (since i read about how the right quantities of that is effective against corona)



What strength VitD ??


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[user104658]

No carers are being given the jab as well even if not qualifying for care allowance, I think that is via the GP route, you can apply yourself if receiving CA thoughI had no idea about it - the letter has been sat on the stairs since Monday, blue NHS envelope, I thought it was just one of their random circular information things they sometimes send out. I was legitimately seconds from binning it with the other spam but decided I should check what was in it [emoji23]

[Ammi]

Turns out I'm getting my 1st vaccine dose in a couple of weeks :omgno:. Got the letter through today. Because my youngest is autistic and LD and I'm registered as her main carer with our GP - not sure if this is a UK wide thing or just Scotland. A lot earlier than I expected.

i'm getting my jab on Thursday!

My daughter will be getting the vaccine when the paper work comes through, and it sounds as though I will be able to get it too.

...:lovedup:...we need a new chat thread...The vaccinated club...

[user104658]

...:lovedup:...we need a new chat thread...The vaccinated club...

We can all send each other samples of our spit and lick them! :cheer2:

[Ammi]

We can all send each other samples of our spit and lick them! :cheer2:

...no one can join the chat unless they can accurately pronounce Pfizer as well...

[user104658]

...no one can join the chat unless they can accurately pronounce Pfizer as well...

They haven't told me what I'm getting, I think I find out on the day, like a vaccine Kinder Egg.

[Cherie]

They haven't told me what I'm getting, I think I find out on the day, like a vaccine Kinder Egg.

I did wonder about that, as Zizu seems to be the only one so far who I know of that has been told what vaccine he would receive, if maybe there was a vaccine hesitancy over AZ in his part of the world

what do you think Zizu?

[Cherie]

I had no idea about it - the letter has been sat on the stairs since Monday, blue NHS envelope, I thought it was just one of their random circular information things they sometimes send out. I was legitimately seconds from binning it with the other spam but decided I should check what was in it [emoji23]

I think initially this wasn't the case but then elderly people were being brought by someone who was also a carer so it seemed daft not to offer them while they were there, I think that is the thinking behind it anyhoo

[bots]

i have no idea what solution they will use to inject me with the micro tracker :laugh:

[Vicky.]

...:lovedup:...we need a new chat thread...The vaccinated club...

Pfft. Thats so unfair. I will likely be among the last to get this (rightly so really though, given stats)

The carer thing..have mentioned it to Gavin and he says *maybe* it went on wh has claimed carers in the past, because his son does not get it now but did during the first lockdown as his college hours were none existant at that stage. I mean he still does the same amount of helping her, yet when his college was off, he could get some help to do so which seems silly to me. His course is only 3 days a week yet classed as fulltime so... :bored:

[Cherie]

i have no idea what solution they will use to inject me with the micro tracker :laugh:

Bill Gates will be monitoring you closely :dance:

[Zizu]

I did wonder about that, as Zizu seems to be the only one so far who I know of that has been told what vaccine he would receive, if maybe there was a vaccine hesitancy over AZ in his part of the world



what do you think Zizu?



Mmmm .. I really have no idea ..

My appointment letter came from a major hospital ... maybe they do things differently from surgeries or pharmacies etc ??


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[bots]

Pfft. Thats so unfair. I will likely be among the last to get this (rightly so really though, given stats)

The carer thing..have mentioned it to Gavin and he says *maybe* it went on wh has claimed carers in the past, because his son does not get it now but did during the first lockdown as his college hours were none existant at that stage. I mean he still does the same amount of helping her, yet when his college was off, he could get some help to do so which seems silly to me. His course is only 3 days a week yet classed as fulltime so... :bored:

i simply got a letter from the NHS and thats because my age band is eligible for vaccination.

What should be of concern is that they are giving next to no doses of the vaccine to GP's now and directing 99% of the supply to vaccination centres, which is a real bummer for those that can't travel easily to one of these centres

[Vicky.]

i simply got a letter from the NHS and thats because my age band is eligible for vaccination.

What should be of concern is that they are giving next to no doses of the vaccine to GP's now and directing 99% of the supply to vaccination centres, which is a real bummer for those that can't travel easily to one of these centres

I didnt know this..seems daft..our GP is still doing/booking them as thats where Gav needs to go on friday, and our neighbour has to go next tuesday too. Unless those will be delayed/changed when the day somes closer :S

[bots]

I didnt know this..seems daft..our GP is still doing/booking them as thats where Gav needs to go on friday, and our neighbour has to go next tuesday too. Unless those will be delayed/changed when the day somes closer :S

my GP was getting 600+ doses a week, and now they get less than 100. With that supply its just not feasible to do much from GP's

[Zizu]

my GP was getting 600+ doses a week, and now they get less than 100. With that supply its just not feasible to do much from GP's



What happens when everyone needs their second dose though ??


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[Cherie]

i simply got a letter from the NHS and thats because my age band is eligible for vaccination.

What should be of concern is that they are giving next to no doses of the vaccine to GP's now and directing 99% of the supply to vaccination centres, which is a real bummer for those that can't travel easily to one of these centres

weird my son got his text and he had a choice to go to the GP (not ours) or a vaccination centre, he got called about 3 weeks ago

I think there are also pop up vaccinations going on :laugh:

I actually don't know anyone who has been vaccinated in the same place at this stage

[Cherie]

What happens when everyone needs their second dose though ??


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I think you will receive your 2nd vac in the same place you got your first one maybe?

also they are ramping up as 2nd does are coming on stream more and more now so plan to double vaccinations by end of March to accommodate 2nd doses

[Vicky.]

I don't think there ARE any of the centres here...like, I live in the middle of a lot of fields and space with bugger all besides the one 'strip' of a couple of shops/takeaways, and the doctors. When we first moved here, the doctors didn't exist either, was really just this little tiny village in the middle of nowhere :laugh:

[AnnieK]

my GP was getting 600+ doses a week, and now they get less than 100. With that supply its just not feasible to do much from GP's

I heard they were scaling back GPs doing 1st dose vaccines so they could concentrate on 2nd doses as the people getting close to 2nd doses are all older and so prefer to visit their GP. Most people now.eligible are more able to travel to the big vacc centres

[Vicky.]

I really think they should be forgetting the 'all adults in the UK plan' for NOW. And focussing more on the more vulnerable again with their second doses. Then focus on other groups.

[Vicky.]

Of course 50% of all UK adults vaccinated!!! makes a better headline than '20% of the most vulnerable in the country vaccinated fully' though.

[bots]

I don't think there ARE any of the centres here...like, I live in the middle of a lot of fields and space with bugger all besides the one 'strip' of a couple of shops/takeaways, and the doctors. When we first moved here, the doctors didn't exist either, was really just this little tiny village in the middle of nowhere :laugh:

my closest centre is 24 miles away, which is pretty impractical for those without a car or not on public transport routes

[AnnieK]

I really think they should be forgetting the 'all adults in the UK plan' for NOW. And focussing more on the more vulnerable again with their second doses. Then focus on other groups.

The problem with that comes though if they start wanting to implement vaccine passports type things. If they want to start opening the economy they need as many people with some protection.

[Vicky.]

The problem with that comes though if they start wanting to implement vaccine passports type things. If they want to start opening the economy they need as many people with some protection.

The vaccine passport thing...I don't believe would ever happen for..visiting shops and stuff really. I am convinced thats media scaremongering. I can see it for foreign travel though..and would support it for that reason. I would not support this idea some have of being refused entry to the supermarket unless you can prove vaccinated status tbh...we don't do that with anything else..and like with the 'more dangerous' illnesses we vaccinate against, aslong as a certain number are willing to have it, a small percentage refusing doesn't make too much difference. Its only 'an issue' if large amounts refuse, and according to the last data I saw, like 94% of uk adults were willing to have it(mind, that was on the daily star or something, so not sure on accuracy!)

Also, as I see it, making it complulsary for most areas of everyday life...is basically forcing people to get it. And going down the road of removing consent for medical procedures (even something as generally harmless as a vaccine) is a very slippery slope.

[Vicky.]

my closest centre is 24 miles away, which is pretty impractical for those without a car or not on public transport routes Bloody hell..we are maybe 10 miles from newcastle so that would be the closest here. Awkward as **** to get to though for many. Older people especially and I swear our village is mainly like..OAPs. So very much hoping our gp manages to keep up with the vaccines, instead of sending people elsewhere.

Mind, from what I have heard, a LOT of people in gateshead/newcastle had appointmens which are being cancelled very quickly now too.

[Zizu]

Bloody hell..we are maybe 10 miles from newcastle so that would be the closest here. Awkward as **** to get to though for many. Older people especially and I swear our village is mainly like..OAPs. So very much hoping our gp manages to keep up with the vaccines, instead of sending people elsewhere.



Mind, from what I have heard, a LOT of people in gateshead/newcastle had appointmens which are being cancelled very quickly now too.



I had an appointment cancelled and it was rather distressing .. I’d rather not have one than be offered one to see it cancelled.

It’s presumably unavoidable but ..


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[Cherie]

I heard they were scaling back GPs doing 1st dose vaccines so they could concentrate on 2nd doses as the people getting close to 2nd doses are all older and so prefer to visit their GP. Most people now.eligible are more able to travel to the big vacc centres

That makes sense

[Ammi]

Bloody hell..we are maybe 10 miles from newcastle so that would be the closest here. Awkward as **** to get to though for many. Older people especially and I swear our village is mainly like..OAPs. So very much hoping our gp manages to keep up with the vaccines, instead of sending people elsewhere.

Mind, from what I have heard, a LOT of people in gateshead/newcastle had appointmens which are being cancelled very quickly now too.

..I think that also it depends what your GP surgery facilities are in terms of storage etc...and also deliveries to individual practices/centres and areas...there have been delivery delays to my county, but not for every Gp surgery...

....(...actually I’ve not read back so maybe I’m talking about something entirely different...I often do...:laugh:..)....

[Cherie]

The problem with that comes though if they start wanting to implement vaccine passports type things. If they want to start opening the economy they need as many people with some protection.

Agree with that, the first dose give the most protection, there is a very small bump of protection with the second dose, and I think it also keeps people at home while waiting for it, while if they had their second dose they might think oh vey I am off!

[Zizu]

I wonder how much protection I’ve got at the moment !

I had my first Pfizer jab 8 days ago ( Tues evening- 23/2/21 ) and I’m due to return to full time work this Friday !!

I don’t think there’s any real cover until day 21 and on Friday I will have 10 days cover :(


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[Nicky91]

Germany is going to use AZ on 65+ age group after more information they received from UK

[bots]

Agree with that, the first dose give the most protection, there is a very small bump of protection with the second dose, and I think it also keeps people at home while waiting for it, while if they had their second dose they might think oh vey I am off!

i will stick with the no contact until 1 month after i have had the 2nd jab ... after that, i'm going to have a ball

[smudgie]

Our surgery is classed as a local hub, they are giving jabs to vulnerable and older patients from other surgeries in the surrounding villages and towns.
Whilst doing this they have obviously had to cut back on other services.
My docs rang me up to make an appointment to go for my jab, before I received the actual letter, I cheekily asked if they could do hubby at the same time as he is my carer.
Fantastic service from start to finish, cones were removed so hubby could park next to the door, then I was asked if I would like to sit in the car for the 15 minutes they like you to stay after the jab, rather than in the marquee.
Nurse at the door kept an eye on us as she was checking off people from her list letting them in for jabs.
The NHS are doing an amazing job.

[bots]

i had my jab today :dance:

[Ammi]

i had my jab today :dance:

...:love:...jabontheside...?...

[Zizu]

i had my jab today :dance:



Excellent !!

Which one ??

Get researching how soon the first jab starts giving some useful protection and report back here :)

I’ve seen reports from ... day 10 or day 12 to 13 or day 21 !!


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[bots]

it was AZ for me. They said to be careful for 3 or 4 weeks

[Cherie]

it was AZ for me. They said to be careful for 3 or 4 weeks

:dance::dance:

[smudgie]

i had my jab today :dance:


Yays:dance:

[AnnieK]

it was AZ for me. They said to be careful for 3 or 4 weeks

Great news BoTs. You feel ok?

[MTVN]

So the EU has millions of doses of the Oxford vaccine in storage because they didn't want to use it and have stoked up concerns about it in their populations but now they block Australia - a country that actually wants to adminster the vaccine - from receiving doses that they've paid for?

[bots]

Great news BoTs. You feel ok?

so far, so good :laugh:

[MTVN]

Congrats bots :bigsmile:

[bots]

So the EU has millions of doses of the Oxford vaccine in storage because they didn't want to use it and have stoked up concerns about it in their populations but now they block Australia - a country that actually wants to adminster the vaccine - from receiving doses that they've paid for?

there will be pay back for the way they have behaved at some point. On this occasion I'm quite glad not to be a part of the EU

[Vanessa]

Well done to those who got the vaccine.
It's so important to get it, so we can have a normal life back soon.

[arista]

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[bots]

Definitely feeling the effects of it today, seriously groggy head. I look on it positively though, it means my system is busy generating an army to fight off the invaders :laugh:

[AnnieK]

Definitely feeling the effects of it today, seriously groggy head. I look on it positively though, it means my system is busy generating an army to fight off the invaders :laugh:

Take.it easy today BoTs. Hope you feel better soon

[Ammi]

...tiredness/grogginess seems to be the side effect we’re hearing mostly but only a day or two and not the worst side effect, when we think...just go with it and flow with it, bots....you’ll have no time to sleep soon, well soonish when we’re more fully at the end of the tunnel...:hug:...

[Cherie]

Definitely feeling the effects of it today, seriously groggy head. I look on it positively though, it means my system is busy generating an army to fight off the invaders :laugh:

Boost those antibodies :dance:

[Cherie]

Just been reading on the Citizens Advice forum for Spain that some expats who access healthcare via private health insurance have been turned away even with residencia from signing up so they will be called for their vaccine, they have been told to go back to their country to get it :skull:

[Lewismacfarlane]

Me and my mum got our jags on Monday I was fine but my mum was ill for a full two days

[Nicky91]

87 people who have died after receiving the vaccine, now here in Netherlands

[Cherie]

Me and my mum got our jags on Monday I was fine but my mum was ill for a full two days

Two more off the TiBB list :dance:

[bots]

Just been reading on the Citizens Advice forum for Spain that some expats who access healthcare via private health insurance have been turned away even with residencia from signing up so they will be called for their vaccine, they have been told to go back to their country to get it :skull:

the EU are starting to look very petty in all this, their reputation is going to take a permanent hit. The money that the expats have pumped in to the spanish economy pays for any vaccine needs, but that seems quickly forgotten.

[arista]

87 people who have died after receiving the vaccine, now here in Netherlands


But they need 2 Vaccines,

[Vicky.]

87 people who have died after receiving the vaccine, now here in Netherlands

The issue here is..older quite ill people are getting it.

Its the same problem I saw with using the very blunt '28 days after a positive test' for numbers of covid deaths. A lot of these people were very frail, and could very well have died without covid, or without the vaccine.

I don't think it helps anyone really to say they died of the vaccine, or because of the vaccine, unless that can be proven in some way. When you give a medical treatment to a lot of elderly people, sadly, some will die. I suspect it is a much lower number than would have died with covid though really :S Not that that would be any comfort to the families of those who *might* have died from vaccine side effects though I guess.

Gavins got his in half an hour :)

[bots]

it could just as easily be linked to it snowing, but that wouldn't make a headline

[Vicky.]

it could just as easily be linked to it snowing, but that wouldn't make a headline

Exactly.

[Vanessa]

Definitely feeling the effects of it today, seriously groggy head. I look on it positively though, it means my system is busy generating an army to fight off the invaders :laugh:

You will be feeling better tomorrow.
Get some rest today.

[Vicky.]

Well gavs is done now..we shall see if the side effects do affect him badly. Hopefully not, but it seems almost 50/50 (among people I know anyway) as to whether you get nowt but a sore arm, or flu like symptoms for a few days.

[Nicky91]

first Covax vaccine doses have arrived in Moldova, according to president Sandu

https://news.yahoo.com/moldova-first-european-country-receive-081558028.html

14.400 doses in total


earlier on they received a donation of 200.000 vaccine doses from neighbours Romania

[bots]

Well gavs is done now..we shall see if the side effects do affect him badly. Hopefully not, but it seems almost 50/50 (among people I know anyway) as to whether you get nowt but a sore arm, or flu like symptoms for a few days.

my biggest concern was for the first 15 mins in case i got an allergic reaction. Is my breathing different, am i hot and sweaty, is my throat tightening ... which of course makes you feel all those things :joker:

[Vanessa]

I'll take some paracetamol for my second dose.
And hopefully I won't be sick too much :laugh:

[Zizu]

my biggest concern was for the first 15 mins in case i got an allergic reaction. Is my breathing different, am i hot and sweaty, is my throat tightening ... which of course makes you feel all those things :joker:



Funnily enough , me and the wife got jabbed at the same time and sat near each other in the waiting area..

I too was dreading a bad reaction given my propensity for feinting and reacting badly to fumes , strong tastes , antibiotics etc

Anyways I was sat there monitoring all my bodily functions .. including heart rate on my Apple Watch ... very soon I noticed a stinging, sore pain in my jabbed arm and started to breathe faster .... mild panic ...

After a few minutes I looked to my wife and said “my arm is stinging and starting to hurt !”

She said casually... “ same here “


To which I replied “ I wish you’d said something five minutes ago !”


True story ...


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[arista]

People vaccinated up to and including 4 March 2021

First dose: 21,358,815

Second dose: 1,034,068


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

40.5% first doses, and 2% of second doses administered now

[Zizu]

40.5% first doses, and 2% of second doses administered now



Presumably that’s % of adults not total population?!


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[Cherie]

Presumably that’s % of adults not total population?!


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Doesn’t that go without saying? Only over 18s are eligible for it?

[Vicky.]

Well gavins 'full of flu' today. My daughter asked if the doctors gave him covid :joker: I was like no, they stopped him getting it and she seems unable to see the logic in getting as ill as he is, to stop him getting ill. Haha. Am finding it harder to argue with her tbh but will get it into her, before she goes back to school...as otherwise will be getting calls about her telling kids false stuff :D

[Vicky.]

Have actually made him take high dose of paracetamol like, as his fever was quite concerning :S

Told him, if he follows this like most others we know, he will be fine by tomorrow dinner time.

[Vicky.]

And yeah, oxford one. Or so it says on his little vaccination card thing.

[bots]

Well gavins 'full of flu' today. My daughter asked if the doctors gave him covid :joker: I was like no, they stopped him getting it and she seems unable to see the logic in getting as ill as he is, to stop him getting ill. Haha. Am finding it harder to argue with her tbh but will get it into her, before she goes back to school...as otherwise will be getting calls about her telling kids false stuff :D

i'm feeling much better today, not 100% but i felt really **** yesterday. Now my arm is sore, so that took longer to appear :laugh:

[arista]

Yes Vicky
its around a day or two
of that in some cases.

[Zizu]

i'm feeling much better today, not 100% but i felt really **** yesterday. Now my arm is sore, so that took longer to appear :laugh:



I had a few days of random pains .. mainly joint ones .. then a stomach upset one afternoon..

Guess we’ll never know if they’re all related to the first Pfizer jab ..

I’m seeing a lot of reports saying the effects are worse if you’ve already had Covid and they can be considerably worse after the second jab :(


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[bots]

I had a few days of random pains .. mainly joint ones .. then a stomach upset one afternoon..

Guess we’ll never know if they’re all related to the first Pfizer jab ..

I’m seeing a lot of reports saying the effects are worse if you’ve already had Covid and they can be considerably worse after the second jab :(


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yes, i think its related to immune response. So if you have immune response, you are going to feel more crap as your body generates anti bodies to fight it. I don't think it necessarily gets worse on the 2nd jab, just everyone gets to the same level of feeling crap, which is actually a good thing

[Zizu]

yes, i think its related to immune response. So if you have immune response, you are going to feel more crap as your body generates anti bodies to fight it. I don't think it necessarily gets worse on the 2nd jab, just everyone gets to the same level of feeling crap, which is actually a good thing





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Side effects may be worse after your second dose. “With the second dose, your body has seen the vaccine, and the protein [it contains], one time already, and so your body has a memory and capacity to respond a little more vigorously.”

19 Feb 2021

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[Zizu]

Well gavins 'full of flu' today. My daughter asked if the doctors gave him covid :joker: I was like no, they stopped him getting it and she seems unable to see the logic in getting as ill as he is, to stop him getting ill. Haha. Am finding it harder to argue with her tbh but will get it into her, before she goes back to school...as otherwise will be getting calls about her telling kids false stuff :D


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[Zizu]

Doesn’t that go without saying? Only over 18s are eligible for it?



Well the way Governments have always manipulated statistics...

Although it would look better for them if they just mean adults so yes you’re probably correct.


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[Vicky.]

i'm feeling much better today, not 100% but i felt really **** yesterday. Now my arm is sore, so that took longer to appear :laugh:

His arm was hurting about 2 hours afterwards, but thats expected with vaccines really

Now he says it feels totally dead.

Hes shivering like hell though hes burning up with a fan on him :S

Says it feels exactly like when he actually had covid. Just wthout the lack of taste and smell.

Genuinely thinking I might hold off when offered, and instead pay privately so I can chose the pfizer one, as near all I know who have been ill, its been the astrazeneca.

[Vicky.]

I had a few days of random pains .. mainly joint ones .. then a stomach upset one afternoon..

Guess we’ll never know if they’re all related to the first Pfizer jab ..

I’m seeing a lot of reports saying the effects are worse if you’ve already had Covid and they can be considerably worse after the second jab :(


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Ah, the pfizer one made you ill? Might be both then

Makes sense its the immune response though.

[Vicky.]

Also, thinking on it, those who have been ill with it, most were confirmed at some stage to have caught covid over the past year or so. Well, most of those who I speak to enough to know that anyway. Small sample, tbf!

[user104658]

Also, thinking on it, those who have been ill with it, most were confirmed at some stage to have caught covid over the past year or so. Well, most of those who I speak to enough to know that anyway. Small sample, tbf!Makes sense really, you have a stronger immune response if you already have antibodies and that's what makes you feel ill. Also why people are hit harder by the second dose than the first.

[AnnieK]

My Dad had no side effects after getting the Oxford vaccine but then developed shingles 2.5 weeks later. I thought it was just coincidence but have read a few anecdotal articles stating a number of people have developed shingles. Will probably never know but if it is a side effect I think he would have took a couple of days of flu type symptoms rather than this. He's been in quite a bit of pain with it for over 10 days now. But....rather that then getting seriously ill or worse with actual covid

[user104658]

My Dad had no side effects after getting the Oxford vaccine but then developed shingles 2.5 weeks later. I thought it was just coincidence but have read a few anecdotal articles stating a number of people have developed shingles. Will probably never know but if it is a side effect I think he would have took a couple of days of flu type symptoms rather than this. He's been in quite a bit of pain with it for over 10 days now. But....rather that then getting seriously ill or worse with actual covidThe issue I think is if vaccinations are going to have to be repeated. As a one off is one thing, but its unrealistic to expect people to willingly experience those sorts of side effects every year.

[Vicky.]

Makes sense really, you have a stronger immune response if you already have antibodies and that's what makes you feel ill. Also why people are hit harder by the second dose than the first.

Yup definitely makes a lot of sense.

In which case am kind of crapping myself for mine. As I got covid 'badly' (though not enough for hospital) and currently have 'long covid' according to my GP. So in theory, if thats how it goes..I am going to be even more ill than Gav :S

Have been lucky with 'long covid' though seeing what some others seem to be getting. I just have a continual annoying cough, and taste is not 100% still either (though sense of smell appears to have gone into overdrive!)

[Zizu]

Ah, the pfizer one made you ill? Might be both then



Makes sense its the immune response though.



Never really felt poorly .. some random headaches , random pains etc

Maybe not even connected ..

Who knows


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[Zizu]

Also, thinking on it, those who have been ill with it, most were confirmed at some stage to have caught covid over the past year or so. Well, most of those who I speak to enough to know that anyway. Small sample, tbf!



That’s what I was saying before .. those who’ve had it seem to get worse side effects to the vaccines presumably as they’ve already got some built in protection after the virus has gone ..

Same thing seems to apply to the second jab which makes sense


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[Zizu]

My Dad had no side effects after getting the Oxford vaccine but then developed shingles 2.5 weeks later. I thought it was just coincidence but have read a few anecdotal articles stating a number of people have developed shingles. Will probably never know but if it is a side effect I think he would have took a couple of days of flu type symptoms rather than this. He's been in quite a bit of pain with it for over 10 days now. But....rather that then getting seriously ill or worse with actual covid



Yikes... I had shingles years ago and it’s one of the worst things I’ve ever experienced..

Hope to gawd I don’t get it


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[bots]

My Dad had no side effects after getting the Oxford vaccine but then developed shingles 2.5 weeks later. I thought it was just coincidence but have read a few anecdotal articles stating a number of people have developed shingles. Will probably never know but if it is a side effect I think he would have took a couple of days of flu type symptoms rather than this. He's been in quite a bit of pain with it for over 10 days now. But....rather that then getting seriously ill or worse with actual covid

i've had shingles in the past several times and it's no joke. The shingles virus is always in your system after you have had chicken pox, it never goes away, it takes hold when you get a bit run down and the vaccine could easily have contributed to that as your system is busy creating new defenses

[Vanessa]

Yup definitely makes a lot of sense.

In which case am kind of crapping myself for mine. As I got covid 'badly' (though not enough for hospital) and currently have 'long covid' according to my GP. So in theory, if thats how it goes..I am going to be even more ill than Gav :S

Have been lucky with 'long covid' though seeing what some others seem to be getting. I just have a continual annoying cough, and taste is not 100% still either (though sense of smell appears to have gone into overdrive!)
You should be fine. You may get some flu like symptoms for a couple of days. But that's about it.

[Nicky91]

well my mom has decided she doesn't want AstraZeneca

majority of people who got that one, most lots of nasty/severe side effects, some even saying the vaccine is worse than covid itself

[Zizu]

You should be fine. You may get some flu like symptoms for a couple of days. But that's about it.



That was more or less my take on things .. I’m hypersensitive to a lot of triggers and I’ve had shingles in the past so to say I was wary is an understatement but I weighed all that against the option to prevent serious Covid , ventilation or death


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[arista]

well my mom has decided she doesn't want AstraZeneca

majority of people who got that one, most lots of nasty/severe side effects, some even saying the vaccine is worse than covid itself



Germany now backs it for Olders

[arista]

[People vaccinated up to and including 6 March 2021

First dose: 22,213,112

Second dose: 1,122,402]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Vicky.]

Well gav seems ok now, albeit a little tired and headachey. And sore arm.

So all is well (:

[arista]

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[Ammi]

Five countries halt use of one batch of AstraZeneca jab after fatal blood clot...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/five-countries-halt-one-batch-194206193.html

[Zizu]

Five countries halt use of one batch of AstraZeneca jab after fatal blood clot...





https://uk.yahoo.com/news/five-countries-halt-one-batch-194206193.html



Mmmm

It said PRAC were investigating the thrombosis conditions linked to the same batch as well as all other reports of thrombosis and related blood clotting conditions reported post-vaccination.

“The information available so far indicates that the number of thromboembolic events in vaccinated people is no higher than that seen in the general population,” it said.

The EMA said as of Tuesday, there had been 22 reports of such conditions among the three million people to receive the AstraZeneca jab in the European Economic Area.



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[Nicky91]

Netherlands total of vaccinated as of today

first dose: 1.207.904

second dose: 411.935

[Ammi]

Mmmm

It said PRAC were investigating the thrombosis conditions linked to the same batch as well as all other reports of thrombosis and related blood clotting conditions reported post-vaccination.

“The information available so far indicates that the number of thromboembolic events in vaccinated people is no higher than that seen in the general population,” it said.

The EMA said as of Tuesday, there had been 22 reports of such conditions among the three million people to receive the AstraZeneca jab in the European Economic Area.



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...yeah, I think there are going to be a few very unfortunate individual reactions on rare occasions because we haven’t vaccinated worldwide in such a scale before...but more extreme reactions are very rare so far as we can see, it’s just finding if it’s linked to that batch of vaccines with the clots and why that would be...

[Vanessa]

From what I've seen, it's mostly the people with health issues who are at risk of these reactions.
This is why you need to tell your doctor everything before you get the vaccine.

[Ammi]

...I guess sadly not all health issues may be known...but still a very rare thing if that were the case as well...

[Vanessa]

...I guess sadly not all health issues may be known...but still a very rare thing if that were the case as well...

True. That's why it's important to get checked out regularly.
An unknown condition could be dangerous when you get the vaccine.

[Ammi]

True. That's why it's important to get checked out regularly.
An unknown condition could be dangerous when you get the vaccine.

...:love:..so much wisdom, Vanessa...

[Vanessa]

Can't wait to get my second vaccine.
It's going to be in May.

[Zizu]

Any thoughts on the growing list of countries halting the use of AstraZenica!!

There were 6 until a few minutes ago when Norway joined the list


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News UK Today
2 hrs ago
Six European countries suspend use of AstraZeneca vaccine amid blood clot fears



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[Cherie]

Any thoughts on the growing list of countries halting the use of AstraZenica!!

There were 6 until a few minutes ago when Norway joined the list


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News UK Today
2 hrs ago
Six European countries suspend use of AstraZeneca vaccine amid blood clot fears



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My feeling about that is that more doses of it have been distributed here than in all of the EU so not sure what the issue might be, bad batch but then everyone would have clotted, or mixing badly with another medication perhaps I really don't know

[Vanessa]

My feeling about that is that more doses of it have been distributed here than in all of the EU so not sure what the issue might be, bad batch but then everyone would have clotted, or mixing badly with another medication perhaps I really don't know

Yes, we haven't had any problems here.
Could be a reaction to other medication taken..

[Vicky.]

Given so many people in the UK have had the astazeneca one, I would say surely it would be obvious by now if there was some huge risk of something as dangerous as blood clots? I mean, it seems obvious that flu symptoms are quite common. But..clots would have been picked up on by now, or you would think so?!

[arista]

Given so many people in the UK have had the astazeneca one, I would say surely it would be obvious by now if there was some huge risk of something as dangerous as blood clots? I mean, it seems obvious that flu symptoms are quite common. But..clots would have been picked up on by now, or you would think so?!



Yes Those EU nations are saying it's a batch problem?

[arista]

[People vaccinated up to and including 10 March 2021

First dose: 23,053,716

Second dose: 1,351,515]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Nicky91]

maybe a lot is being kept secret, silenced in the UK

[bots]

maybe a lot is being kept secret, silenced in the UK

lol it cant be silenced when millions are being vaccinated

[arista]

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[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/18138/production/_117561689_the-telegraph-nc.png

[Nicky91]

Thailand now also refusing AstraZeneca

[Nicky91]

lol it cant be silenced when millions are being vaccinated

that you guys and US were so dumb to vaccinate millions with toxic rubbish :idc:

[Vanessa]

Yes Those EU nations are saying it's a batch problem?

Yes it could be a batch problem.
Maybe it was contaminated or not stored properly?

[Zizu]

Yes it could be a batch problem.

Maybe it was contaminated or not stored properly?



Yes the ‘storage’ aspect of these vaccines has always been a concern to me


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[AnnieK]

that you guys and US were so dumb to vaccinate millions with toxic rubbish :idc:

Well considering there have been no reports if blood clots here, our deaths and ICU numbers are dropping rapidly, number of cases also come down I'd said not that dumb Nicky tbh. But go ahead, slag off countries who are proactively trying to protect their citizens

[bots]

that you guys and US were so dumb to vaccinate millions with toxic rubbish :idc:

Nicky, please think a bit more carefully before you post. There have been millions vaccinated without issue. Your post is unhelpful

[Nicky91]

Well considering there have been no reports if blood clots here, our deaths and ICU numbers are dropping rapidly, number of cases also come down I'd said not that dumb Nicky tbh. But go ahead, slag off countries who are proactively trying to protect their citizens

No, then you guys have just been lucky, real lucky so far

Nicky, please think a bit more carefully before you post. There have been millions vaccinated without issue. Your post is unhelpful

it confuses me, my parents ok

but ok no need to finger point at anyone, again these are stressful times, my parents find it all scary and rather wait a while longer


my nan (mom's mum) was on vaccination list for this Monday, but she also wants to wait for a while longer after reading all this

[user104658]

No, then you guys have just been lucky, real lucky so far


That's not really how statistics work on a large scale, Nicky. The proportion getting a certain effect should be roughly the same across a large sample size like that.

Luck doesn't really exist on a scale of millions, only probability.

[AnnieK]

No, then you guys have just been lucky, real lucky so far



it confuses me, my parents ok

but ok no need to finger point at anyone, again these are stressful times, my parents find it all scary and rather wait a while longer


my nan (mom's mum) was on vaccination list for this Monday, but she also wants to wait for a while longer after reading all this

Or maybe the evidence if a link between the vaccine and blood clots is anecdotal and coincidence, or a poorly stored or contaminated batch and we will continue to make great strides in protecting ourselves :shrug:

[Nicky91]

That's not really how statistics work on a large scale, Nicky. The proportion getting a certain effect should be roughly the same across a large sample size like that.

Luck doesn't really exist on a scale of millions, only probability.

Or maybe the evidence if a link between the vaccine and blood clots is anecdotal and coincidence, or a poorly stored or contaminated batch and we will continue to make great strides in protecting ourselves :shrug:

poorly stored? umm no at the designated temperature in freezers, but tbh it is being delivered in takeaway boxes to doctor posts, vaccination areas so poor quality of deliveries here :think:

[Vanessa]

I don't think the vaccine is unsafe.
We have vaccinated over 20 million people here and we haven't had any case of blood clots.
It could be a bad batch or a storage problem.
In Italy they're so badly organised.
One time they got the vaccine ready, but didn't inform the people to come and get it.
So they put it back in storage. Which I think is crazy. :facepalm:

[Nicky91]

people in UK have died after receiving astrazeneca vaccine though, but that is being covered up

[AnnieK]

people in UK have died after receiving astrazeneca vaccine though, but that is being covered up

How do you know this?

Have you proof that they died BECAUSE of the vaccine and not just died after having it?

[user104658]

people in UK have died after receiving astrazeneca vaccine though, but that is being covered up

QAnonicky.

[Nicky91]

Have you proof that they died BECAUSE of the vaccine and not just died after having it?

ok not just of Astra vaccine, but all vaccines basically


umm proof, well my mom saw a video of some whistleblower talking about all this, also pointing out the UK covering up who died after they got the vaccine

[user104658]

ok not just of Astra vaccine, but all vaccines basically


umm proof, well my mom saw a video of some whistleblower talking about all this, also pointing out the UK covering up who died after they got the vaccine

Over 1000 people die in the UK every day (on any normal day, or non-covid causes), so with 1/3 of the population being vaccinated, obviously a proportion of the people who die in any given day will recently have been vaccinated.

[AnnieK]

ok not just of Astra vaccine, but all vaccines basically


umm proof, well my mom saw a video of some whistleblower talking about all this, also pointing out the UK covering up who died after they got the vaccine

Sorry Nicky but a video is not proof. If there are deaths being covered up, that is scientifically proven to be because of the vaccine and not just a vaccinated person I will believe it. Otherwise its just another EU smear campaign because their vaccine programme is a pile of crap and they are risking their citizens lives by drowning in bureaucracy and bad management.

[bots]

At some point in time everyone vaccinated is going to die ... bloody vaccine :fist:

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Germany: thuringen region halts AstraZeneca vaccine after finding out about it causing liver problems


another new side effect from this rubbish :idc:

[Beso]

Isnt it causing blood clots?

[Nicky91]

Isnt it causing blood clots?

that too


but now also liver problems

[Nicky91]

can imagine Germany now to be really pissed off at UK, since they only started using AZ again after new info by you guys and now this (not one, but few people who started having liver problems after the jab, in perfect health before the jab too)

[arista]

that too


but now also liver problems


How do they know as Fact
it caused that?

[arista]

can imagine Germany now to be really pissed off at UK, since they only started using AZ again after new info by you guys and now this (not one, but few people who started having liver problems after the jab, in perfect health before the jab too)


But loads of Normal Germans are not taking the AZ Vaccine, anyway,
they claim it's out of date.


Ref :Ch4HDnews in Germany, last week.

[Nicky91]

How do they know as Fact
it caused that?

because this particularly involves people whom were in excellent health before the jab, and after receiving that they started having those complaints

[arista]

because this particularly involves people whom were in excellent health before the jab, and after receiving that they started having those complaints


It can be a Coincidence
meaning ,they were going to ill anyway.

[Vanessa]

The UK has done brilliantly with the vaccination rollout.
If we carry on like this we will be back to normal very soon.
That's what we want and I think it's worth to take the vaccine to protect ourselves.

[AnnieK]

At this point, I hope the whole of the EU stops using AZ. Let them wait longer to vaccinate whilst the rest of the world protects its citizens. I would like to know if anyone of the millions in the UK have had these supposed side effects and in what numbers. Its seems weird that if these effects do happen, why no one is reporting them here

[AnnieK]

Germany: thuringen region halts AstraZeneca vaccine after finding out about it causing liver problems


another new side effect from this rubbish :idc:

Do you have a link to this?

[user104658]

that too


but now also liver problemsDo you have a link to this?Have to second that Nicky, I just googled and nothing - and then I used a VPN to search German Google, for mentions of AZ vaccine and liver issues, in German, even trying with the specific region you mentioned, and I can't see one mention of this ANYWHERE. I'm a little baffled by the claim.

What I can find is a paper from a few years ago about a completely different drug created by AstraZeneca, that has absolutely nothing to do with the Covid vaccine, which was withdrawn after being found to cause liver issues in some people.

Might there be some confusion there?

[AnnieK]

Have to second that Nicky, I just googled and nothing - and then I used a VPN to search German Google, for mentions of AZ vaccine and liver issues, in German, even trying with the specific region you mentioned, and I can't see one mention of this ANYWHERE. I'm a little baffled by the claim.

What I can find is a paper from a few years ago about a completely different drug created by AstraZeneca, that has absolutely nothing to do with the Covid vaccine, which was withdrawn after being found to cause liver issues in some people.

Might there be some confusion there?

I'd tried numerous different search terms too and can't find anything.

[Zizu]

because this particularly involves people whom were in excellent health before the jab, and after receiving that they started having those complaints



That just sounds like street talk .

Any links or evidence ?


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[user104658]

I'd tried numerous different search terms too and can't find anything.

For a paranoid second I started to believe that Nicky might be right and the UK might be putting a block on these stories filtering into the country, that's why I used a German proxy and tried searching "as if I was a German in Germany". Still nothing :think:

The story about the AZ medication from a few years back causing liver issues does come up quite a bit though - so I suspect maybe that's what's happened, someone has seen that and thought it was about the vaccine not realising that AZ as a pharma company has made many different medications.

[Ammi]

Ireland should suspend AstraZeneca vaccine over clotting concerns, health authority says......

Ireland should temporarily halt its use of the Oxford/AstraZeneca jab after some reports of blood clots in vaccinated people, health authorities say.

A statement from Ireland's Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Dr Ronan Glynn, said: "Following new information received from the Norwegian Medicines Agency on Saturday evening 13th March and following discussions with the Health Products Regulatory Authority (HPRA), the National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC) has recommended that the administration of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca be temporarily deferred from this morning, Sunday 14th March.

"This recommendation has been made following a report from the Norwegian Medicines Agency of four new reports of serious blood clotting events in adults after vaccination with COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca.

"It has not been concluded that there is any link between the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca and these cases.

"However, acting on the precautionary principal, and pending receipt of further information, the NIAC has recommended the temporary deferral of the COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca vaccination programme in Ireland.

"The NIAC is due to meet again this morning. A further statement will follow thereafter."

[AnnieK]

I'm struggling to see why an unsubstantiated link between the vaccine and blood clots would pause the most important vaccination drive in recent history. I worry this is a smear campaign emanating from the EUs saltiness at their delays and mishandling and they want to de-stabilise the UK efforts by casting doubts on the vaccine

[Niamh.]

I'm struggling to see why an unsubstantiated link between the vaccine and blood clots would pause the most important vaccination drive in recent history. I worry this is a smear campaign emanating from the EUs saltiness at their delays and mishandling and they want to de-stabilise the UK efforts by casting doubts on the vaccineThat's quite the conspiracy theory Annie

[AnnieK]

That's quite the conspiracy theory Annie

It is Niamh which is why I said I worry....not that it was fact :shrug: After the campaign of fear that Merkel and Macron pulled though I am sceptical of what comes out.

If there is actual scientific proof of a direct link I will eat my words but its worrying that there is no direct proof at all.

It may be too close to home as my Dad had the AZ vaccine and I worry enough about him without another layer of worry to add but I just find it strange that these blood clots are not happening in the millions of vaccines administered in the UK and there are no whispers of it.

[Niamh.]

The blood clot reports are coming from Norway though which aren't even a part of the EU.

[Ammi]

...I’m thinking that most people will be fine with the AZ vaccine but if there medical reasons why it should be slowed down in its administration for the moment then it’s best to follow that...rather than to continue on with it...it’s surely just so that those few deaths can be looked into more closely...

[user104658]

...I’m thinking that most people will be fine with the AZ vaccine but if there medical reasons why it should be slowed down in its administration for the moment then it’s best to follow that...rather than to continue on with it...it’s surely just so that those few deaths can be looked into more closely...The thing is there aren't medical reasons and it seems that medical authorities even within the EU are not recommending slowing down vaccination unless some medical evidence of an issue does emerge... the decision to halt use seems to be coming from the political side not the medical side. Whether that's because of a genuine concern and "playing it safe" or for PR reasons I don't know, but it definitely seems to be coming from the politicians more than the medics.

[bots]

it's such an unusual circumstance, vaccinating millions around the planet. Each county with it's own medical practices and medical authorities. Usually its children that are vaccinated in the greatest numbers and they are excluded from this at the moment.

Politics is way too involved in it, and there is too much infighting between countries/states. The EU have behaved dreadfully, I think. That's been the biggest eye opener for me.

We need to be guided by science. If there is direct medical proof that a vaccine resulted in a death, then it should be documented and the medical authorities should decide on the action necessary. There are way to many separate agendas going on for my liking.

I'm vaccinated, I am very glad to have been vaccinated, ultimately, that's all that matters to me

[Nicky91]

Have to second that Nicky, I just googled and nothing - and then I used a VPN to search German Google, for mentions of AZ vaccine and liver issues, in German, even trying with the specific region you mentioned, and I can't see one mention of this ANYWHERE. I'm a little baffled by the claim.

What I can find is a paper from a few years ago about a completely different drug created by AstraZeneca, that has absolutely nothing to do with the Covid vaccine, which was withdrawn after being found to cause liver issues in some people.

Might there be some confusion there?

:idc:

i've read it

you probably don't understand german :suspect:

[AnnieK]

:idc:

i've read it

you probably don't understand german :suspect:

Post the link Nicky please, we can use the translate function

[Nicky91]

Post the link Nicky please, we can use the translate function

i found it on Sat1 text page, but here you go

https://de.rt.com/inland/114313-wegen-lieferproblemen-von-astrazeneca-thuringen/

translate all you want

[AnnieK]

i found it on Sat1 text page, but here you go

https://de.rt.com/inland/114313-wegen-lieferproblemen-von-astrazeneca-thuringen/

translate all you want

That translates as them stopping using it because of delivery issues and then falling short on numbers to be able to give both doses. Nothing to do with it causing liver problems?

With the approval of AstraZeneca, the vaccination campaign should gain momentum. Health Minister Spahn called for everything to be administered, with no reserves for the second dose. But now Thuringia is no longer giving vaccination appointments - due to AstraZeneca delivery problems.

[Nicky91]

That translates as them stopping using it because of delivery issues and then falling short on numbers to be able to give both doses. Nothing to do with it causing liver problems?

oopsie sorry my bad, i see i do not understand all german words then :joker:


not me fearmongering now :worry:

[AnnieK]

oopsie sorry my bad, i see i do not understand all german words then :joker:


not me fearmongering now :worry:

:laugh:

[Nicky91]

:laugh:

oh well, makes sense anyway to halt it then if you can't guarantee the people their second jab

[Cherie]

I cannot believe after 11,000000 AZ vaccinations in the UK that the clotting thing wouldn't be more of any issue if there was one, no way would it not have got out on social media if people were being admitted for clots in numbers

[AnnieK]

I cannot believe after 11,000000 AZ vaccinations in the UK that the clotting thing wouldn't be more of any issue if there was one, no way would it not have got out on social media if people were being admitted for clots in numbers

That's my opinion too. The professionals could keep it quiet but it would be all over FB and Twitter

[Niamh.]

This is the statement our government have released about it :

Covid Vaccine Update

Statement from Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Dr. Ronan Glynn

Following new information received from the Norwegian Medicines Agency on Saturday evening 13th March and following discussions with the Health Products Regulatory Authority (HPRA), the National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC) has recommended that the administration of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca be temporarily deferred from this morning, Sunday 14th March.

This recommendation has been made following a report from the Norwegian Medicines Agency of four new reports of serious blood clotting events in adults after vaccination with Covid-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca. It has not been concluded that there is any link between the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca[emoji2400] and these cases. However, acting on the precautionary principal, and pending receipt of further information, the NIAC has recommended the temporary deferral of the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca vaccination programme in Ireland.

The NIAC is due to meet again this morning. A further statement will follow thereafter.
Virgin Media News

[AnnieK]

Hopefully some studies will be under way to see.if there is any link between the vaccine and clots. Seriously hope there isn't but it needs proving one way or the other for everyone's peace of mind. Those who have already had it and those getting it in the coming weeks.

[Niamh.]

Hopefully some studies will be under way to see.if there is any link between the vaccine and clots. Seriously hope there isn't but it needs proving one way or the other for everyone's peace of mind. Those who have already had it and those getting it in the coming weeks.It does seem precautionary, I'm sure your dad will be fine, I found another article
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-prac-preliminary-view-suggests-no-specific-issue-batch-used-austria

[Ammi]

..yeah, I agree and said earlier that it feels a or cautionary thing to enable it to be looked into and better to act safely and with caution, you know...I’m sure it’ll be fine, Annie...it’s a tiny percentage of so many vaccinations having been carried out and as yet there is no link, just looking into possibility of....

[AnnieK]

It does seem precautionary, I'm sure your dad will be fine, I found another article
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-prac-preliminary-view-suggests-no-specific-issue-batch-used-austria

To be honest my Dad had it over 4 weeks ago now so I'm sure that any effects would have presented themselves now.

[Niamh.]

To be honest my Dad had it over 4 weeks ago now so I'm sure that any effects would have presented themselves now.Yeah you'd imagine so

[bots]

with the millions that have been vaccinated in the UK, if there are any medical issues from vaccines, it will be easy to find out

[Ammi]

...Annie...:hug:...I’m sure he’ll be fine, my love...I know that it’s easier said but please try not to feel panicked because some precautionary measures are being taken atm...

[Cherie]

This is the statement our government have released about it :

Covid Vaccine Update

Statement from Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Dr. Ronan Glynn

Following new information received from the Norwegian Medicines Agency on Saturday evening 13th March and following discussions with the Health Products Regulatory Authority (HPRA), the National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC) has recommended that the administration of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca be temporarily deferred from this morning, Sunday 14th March.

This recommendation has been made following a report from the Norwegian Medicines Agency of four new reports of serious blood clotting events in adults after vaccination with Covid-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca. It has not been concluded that there is any link between the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca[emoji2400] and these cases. However, acting on the precautionary principal, and pending receipt of further information, the NIAC has recommended the temporary deferral of the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca vaccination programme in Ireland.

The NIAC is due to meet again this morning. A further statement will follow thereafter.
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That's fair enough, would be good to know out of how many vaccinations, and I guess these are all over 80?

[Vanessa]

I've had it and I feel fine.

[Zizu]

To be honest my Dad had it over 4 weeks ago now so I'm sure that any effects would have presented themselves now.



They did say to us ... worst effects in the first 15 minutes.. with others in the following two weeks ..


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[MTVN]

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[bots]

if it were connected to the vaccine, you would expect thousands to be in hospital by now, so i am sceptical to say the least that there is a direct link.

Health issues are very complex, no one should be jumping to premature conclusions

[Ammi]

They did say to us ... worst effects in the first 15 minutes.. with others in the following two weeks ..


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...positive Zizu, I’m loving it...:lovedup:...and I totally agree, it would be unlikely to take around 4 weeks for reaction to the vaccine to be known...

[Ammi]

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...indeed, we’ve never had this type of scale before with a newly developed vaccine and precautionary measures such as those happening atm are inevitable and I think more will happen from time to time...it’s a good thing that any possible links are looked at early...

[Cherie]

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Great stuff

[Cherie]

They did say to us ... worst effects in the first 15 minutes.. with others in the following two weeks ..


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You only have to wait 15 minutes after the jab when you have Pfizer, no wait after AZ vaccine or so my son said

[Zizu]

You only have to wait 15 minutes after the jab when you have Pfizer, no wait after AZ vaccine or so my son said



Ah .. . yeah we had Pfizer


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[bots]

You only have to wait 15 minutes after the jab when you have Pfizer, no wait after AZ vaccine or so my son said

i was told not to drive for 15 mins ... "just in case" with the AZ :laugh:

[Cherie]

i was told not to drive for 15 mins ... "just in case" with the AZ :laugh:

:omgno: I think will hang around as well for a bit after if I get AZ :laugh:

[user104658]

You should wait 10-15 mins before leaving after ANY vaccine because of the risk of allergic reaction - they might let people go if they're with someone (and not driving) but ideally you should wait. Anaphylaxis is very rare but it's unpredictable and you need to act fast if it happens so best to still be on site.

It's no more or less likely with any vaccine. My wife had a few boosters before she started her first job after uni (hep B and things like that) and I usually went with her, and we always were advised to wait 10 mins after.

It is just advice though, obviously it's on you if you leave by choice but it is sensible to hang back at least for a few minutes.

[Vicky.]

Even when skye/james got their baby vacines, we were told to hang round a little afterwards just incase. And those are as 'safe and tested' as they could possily ever be really by this stage.

[arista]

People vaccinated up to and including 14 March 2021

First dose: 24,453,221

Second dose: 1,610,280

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

So the number of clotting incidents have been similar to Pfizer and both the WHO and EMA all say AZ is fine to use, but individual countries have pulled it, and they say its not political :laugh:

[bots]

So the number of clotting incidents have been similar to Pfizer and both the WHO and EMA all say AZ is fine to use, but individual countries have pulled it, and they say its not political :laugh:

they have checked the stats on blood clots since they started vaccinating and the number of instances in the general population have gone down since the vaccination program started, which really doesn't tie in with something causing a problem

[Cherie]

they have checked the stats on blood clots since they started vaccinating and the number of instances in the general population have gone down since the vaccination program started, which really doesn't tie in with something causing a problem

yeah something is off with this tale, AZ are selling at cost maybe that is the issue for other vaccines coming on stream, no dosh out of it if AZ continues at cost

[Zizu]

they have checked the stats on blood clots since they started vaccinating and the number of instances in the general population have gone down since the vaccination program started, which really doesn't tie in with something causing a problem



There was a guy on Sky News a short while ago suggesting that the clots in question were a rare type of blood clots near the brain and that’s why there’s concern ...


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[AnnieK]

It's definitely looking more politically than medically driven at the moment.

[Vanessa]

The Pfizer vaccine isn't safer than the Astrazenica.
So I don't get why they aren't stopping its use as well. :suspect:

[Zizu]

There was a guy on Sky News a short while ago suggesting that the clots in question were a rare type of blood clots near the brain and that’s why there’s concern ...


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[user104658]

The deed is done. Its been nice knowing y'all. Mods, SD regulars, the kids who come over from Chat sometimes, the guys and gals from Tech & Games... Even you LT. Nicky... I think I'm going to miss you the most :bawling:

[Cherie]

The deed is done. Its been nice knowing y'all. Mods, SD regulars, the kids who come over from Chat sometimes, the guys and gals from Tech & Games... Even you LT. Nicky... I think I'm going to miss you the most :bawling:

which one did you get :worry:

[user104658]

which one did you get :worry:

AZ so that's it, game over.

[Cherie]

AZ so that's it, game over.

oh nooooooooooooooo goodbye sweet Prince

[Vanessa]

The deed is done. Its been nice knowing y'all. Mods, SD regulars, the kids who come over from Chat sometimes, the guys and gals from Tech & Games... Even you LT. Nicky... I think I'm going to miss you the most :bawling:

You'll be ok. :laugh:

[Beso]

You might grow an extra testicle, think positive TS.

[user104658]

You might grow an extra testicle, think positive TS.

The ones I have already have caused enough trouble for one lifetime!

[Ammi]

...you might feel a few symptoms for a few days, TS...but you’ll be fine...:hug:...such a relief for you, being one of the vaccined squad ...but you’re not going anywhere...this is a package deal and you’re here to stay, don’t even try to get away...anyway, enough of you...the news corner says....


COVID-19: EU threatens to block jab exports to UK and other countries with high vaccination rates...


European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen has threatened to block vaccine exports to the UK and other countries with markedly higher rollouts of coronavirus jabs.

The EU's delivery of COVID vaccines has been slower compared with the UK rollout, where nearly 25 million adults have now had their first dose.

With the bloc facing a third wave of the coronavirus pandemic, Ms von der Leyen said: "We are in the crisis of the century.

"If this situation does not change, we will have to reflect on how to make exports to vaccine-producing countries, dependent on their level of openness.

"We will reflect on whether exports to countries who have higher vaccination rates than us are still proportionate."

The 27-nation bloc has been facing an acute shortage of COVID-19 vaccines for some time.

Ms von der Leyen spoke as six EU countries complained to Brussels about reduced deliveries that are hampering the bloc's troubled inoculation programme.

She has previously admitted a country on its own - such as the UK - can act as a "speedboat" compared with the EU's "tanker" in the delivery of COVID-19 jabs.

Her latest comments risk escalating tensions with the UK and US over their restrictive approach to deliveries of vaccines in the EU.


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/covid-19-eu-threatens-block-122600762.html

[user104658]

At this point are they not basically inches away from admitting that the EU doesn't actually work all that well as a complex political union and would probably have been best purely as a free movement/free trade customs union?

Don't get me wrong I very much still think that Brexit is a disaster, but that's largely BECAUSE it means we lose access to a huge amount of trading power (it was a package deal).

[user104658]

...you might feel a few symptoms for a few days, TS...but you’ll be fine...:hug:...such a relief for you, being one of the vaccined squad ...but you’re not going anywhere

Thus far I have none at all, I don't even have a sore arm :suspect:. If it wasn't for the miniscule red dot on my arm I wouldn't know it had happened.

(Watch me come on whining like a baby tomorrow morning :joker: )

[Samm]

At this point are they not basically inches away from admitting that the EU doesn't actually work all that well as a complex political union and would probably have been best purely as a free movement/free trade customs union?

Don't get me wrong I very much still think that Brexit is a disaster, but that's largely BECAUSE it means we lose access to a huge amount of trading power (it was a package deal).

Yeah my thoughts exactly, still a remainer but the EU have massively screwed this up themselves.

[Vanessa]

More than 25 million people vaccinated.
We're on our way back to normal! :cheer2:

[arista]

People vaccinated up to and including 16 March 2021

First dose: 25,273,226

Second dose: 1,759,445


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Vanessa]

People vaccinated up to and including 16 March 2021

First dose: 25,273,226

Second dose: 1,759,445


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
That's brilliant work :clap1:

[user104658]

When you consider that young people don't (particularly) need vaxxed for this to be effective in bringing severe illness right down to next to nothing... At 25m we are probably past "half way".

(Thinking for this - 66m people in the UK, at least 16m are under age 20, so 25m is half of the remaining 50m people)

[bots]

When you consider that young people don't (particularly) need vaxxed for this to be effective in bringing severe illness right down to next to nothing... At 25m we are probably past "half way".

(Thinking for this - 66m people in the UK, at least 16m are under age 20, so 25m is half of the remaining 50m people)

there is still going to be the occasional young person who gets seriously ill and of course those vulnerable people unwilling or unable to be vaccinated, but the pressure should be right down now, which is great news considering it all really started 1 year ago

[bots]

Thus far I have none at all, I don't even have a sore arm :suspect:. If it wasn't for the miniscule red dot on my arm I wouldn't know it had happened.

(Watch me come on whining like a baby tomorrow morning :joker: )

was it AZ you had? My symptoms were immediately obvious as soon as i woke up the next day, you can't mistake it. ... just write the day off and go back to sleep is my advice if you feel dodgy :laugh:

[Vanessa]

was it AZ you had? My symptoms were immediately obvious as soon as i woke up the next day, you can't mistake it. ... just write the day off and go back to sleep is my advice if you feel dodgy :laugh:

I had the vaccine on my day off, so I had time to recover.
I don't think you should work the next day, you'll be feeling rough.

[arista]

COVID-19: UK to face 'significant reduction' in
vaccine supplies from 29 March

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-to-face-significant-reduction-in-vaccine-supplies-from-29-march-12248909


[Disruption could last for four weeks, and
the government's vaccines taskforce
has told the health service that this
is linked to "reductions in national inbound vaccines supply".


Sky's health correspondent, Ashish Joshi,
has been told that the shortage has
nothing to do with ongoing
supply tensions with the EU - instead,
it is down to a "global supply issue" with AstraZeneca.]

[Cherie]

COVID-19: UK to face 'significant reduction' in
vaccine supplies from 29 March

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-to-face-significant-reduction-in-vaccine-supplies-from-29-march-12248909


[Disruption could last for four weeks, and
the government's vaccines taskforce
has told the health service that this
is linked to "reductions in national inbound vaccines supply".


Sky's health correspondent, Ashish Joshi,
has been told that the shortage has
nothing to do with ongoing
supply tensions with the EU - instead,
it is down to a "global supply issue" with AstraZeneca.]

kinda coincides with the Easter Break I guess, maybe the EU can hand over the AZ they wont use?

[MTVN]

When are these doses of Moderna supposed to start arriving? The US is catching us up on vaccines thanks to that jab

[Vanessa]

When are these doses of Moderna supposed to start arriving? The US is catching us up on vaccines thanks to that jab

We should get it in April, I think.

[user104658]

was it AZ you had? My symptoms were immediately obvious as soon as i woke up the next day, you can't mistake it. ... just write the day off and go back to sleep is my advice if you feel dodgy [emoji23]I finished at 12 today (to go get it) and I have the rest of the week off. Kids are back at school and my wife will be at work so I can just slob about the couch all day if I'm feeling crap.

I still have no symptoms, even the little dot is gone now, HOWEVER I put shampoo in the mug cupboard (apparently) and I dont know why and have no memory of doing it? My wife was looking for it, it had been left in the kitchen and I was in there tidying like "nope I've not seen it anywhere" but I'd put it tucked away in the corner of a cupboard??

Its my brain clot starting isnt it :worry:.

[Zizu]

So what happens ( worst case scenario) if tens of thousands don’t get their second jab after the 12 week period ?


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If there is going to be an issue for people going longer than the twelve week gap then I presume they will give preference to the ones ‘needing’ their second jab - if indeed there are shortages

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[Cherie]

So what happens ( worst case scenario) if tens of thousands don’t get their second jab after the 12 week period ?


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If there is going to be an issue for people going longer than the twelve week gap then I presume they will give preference to the ones ‘needing’ their second jab - if indeed there are shortages

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JVT said they were specifically asking GPs not to send letters to under 50s, so they will loop back make sure they have got everyone who wants a vaccine and and prioritise second jabs

[bots]

I finished at 12 today (to go get it) and I have the rest of the week off. Kids are back at school and my wife will be at work so I can just slob about the couch all day if I'm feeling crap.

I still have no symptoms, even the little dot is gone now, HOWEVER I put shampoo in the mug cupboard (apparently) and I dont know why and have no memory of doing it? My wife was looking for it, it had been left in the kitchen and I was in there tidying like "nope I've not seen it anywhere" but I'd put it tucked away in the corner of a cupboard??

Its my brain clot starting isnt it :worry:.

i was cooking lunch the day after. Did all the preparatory work, set the timer for 30 mins and went back to work until the timer activated. When the timer activated, I went back to the kitchen and my dinner was sitting there waiting to go in the oven :laugh: Never done that before

[arista]

kinda coincides with the Easter Break I guess, maybe the EU can hand over the AZ they wont use?


AZ gave a statement
NewsnightHD BBC2
they have NO Shortage in Supply?

[arista]

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[However, there is confusion over the source of the delay
with a Government source blaming a range of 'production issues'.
The source revealed that this included the need to
re-test a large batch of the vaccine, although they
did not specify from which manufacturer.
They also suggested there was an issue with
AstraZeneca's production overseas,
resulting in fewer jabs being delivered
in April than initially planned.
This was backed up by another government source
that claimed the shortages were related
to the late delivery of five million doses
of the AstraZeneca jab being manufactured in India.
The Serum Institute was due to send
10 million doses to the UK - yet only half have arrived.
Another senior government figure has suggested
AstraZeneca is 'late' with doses. ]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9373987/UK-vaccine-rollout-hit-need-retest-batches.html

[Cherie]

Well TS :worry: how are you feeling?

[Ammi]

...can you imagine after all of the amazing posts TS has made on so many varied topics ...his last post ever was about Piers Morgan being an ass...the cruelty of it all...

[Cherie]

...can you imagine after all of the amazing posts TS has made on so many varied topics ...his last post ever was about Piers Morgan being an ass...the cruelty of it all...

:joker: