Light at the end of the tunnel - Covid [vaccine news]

[Cherie]

AZ gave a statement
NewsnightHD BBC2
they have NO Shortage in Supply?

I think they are pausing to catch up on second jabs tbf, many people who got them in January are due in early April, so that would tie in

45% of first jabs given but only 3% of second they need to start closing the gap

[arista]

The Health Secretary is Live
in the House of Commons

Talking about supply.

BOTH news channels

[Samm]

The Health Secretary is Live
in the House of Commons

Talking about supply.

BOTH news channels

He said it won't affect the lockdown easing timetable, as they are still ahead of schedule anyway. I feel like this is just a big panic by the media as always when it comes to bad COVID news.

[Cherie]

He said it won't affect the lockdown easing timetable, as they are still ahead of schedule anyway. I feel like this is just a big panic by the media as always when it comes to bad COVID news.

yip

[Cherie]

Interesting article

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56375307?xtor=ES-211-[42897_PANUK_DIV_11_NCA_Vaccinesafety_RET_ABC]-20210318-[bbcnews_myvaccinesideeffectsandwhattheymean_newsco ronavirus]

[user104658]

I can't tell if I have side effects or not. I have a bit of a sore arm today and had a weird night's sleep (I kept waking up and I was sweaty - but no temp) and I'm tired today BUT ... I stupidly only got about 4 hours sleep the night before last, and about 6 last night, so there's every chance I'm just legitimately tired :joker:.

[Vanessa]

I can't tell if I have side effects or not. I have a bit of a sore arm today and had a weird night's sleep (I kept waking up and I was sweaty - but no temp) and I'm tired today BUT ... I stupidly only got about 4 hours sleep the night before last, and about 6 last night, so there's every chance I'm just legitimately tired :joker:.
You should get some rest.

[Cherie]

I can't tell if I have side effects or not. I have a bit of a sore arm today and had a weird night's sleep (I kept waking up and I was sweaty - but no temp) and I'm tired today BUT ... I stupidly only got about 4 hours sleep the night before last, and about 6 last night, so there's every chance I'm just legitimately tired :joker:.

You have been a brave little soldier :laugh:

[arista]

India has Suspended Exports of the Vaccine to the UK
They need it for their own nation.


SkyNewsHD

[Vicky.]

India has Suspended Exports of the Vaccine to the UK
They need it for their own nation.


SkyNewsHD

Can't blame them really, we would do the same in the same situation..

I do think now, the focus needs to shift from 'get everyone done!!' to...get high risk people sorted with their second dose. Other are much lower priority, or should be.

[bots]

A review by the European Union's medicines regulator has concluded the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine is "safe and effective".

The European Medicines Agency (EMA) said it would continue to study possible links between rare blood clots and the vaccine.

Its findings came after 13 EU states paused rollouts of the jab.

The World Health Organization (WHO) on Thursday called on countries to continue using the vaccine.

Much of Europe is struggling to contain a surge in coronavirus cases.

Decisions to suspend use of the vaccine sparked concerns over the pace of the region's vaccination drive, which had already been affected by supply shortages.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56440139

[Vicky.]

This blood clot thing seems dodgy. Because, if there was actually a link, given how many UK people have had the vaccine now, it would be very apparent surely..

[arista]

This blood clot thing seems dodgy. Because, if there was actually a link, given how many UK people have had the vaccine now, it would be very apparent surely..



Vicky
blood clots happen all the time.


There is no link.

[LaLaLand]

My Mum’s just been for her first jab. In and out in minutes, didn’t even have time to park properly she was so quick. :joker:

[hijaxers]

This blood clot thing seems dodgy. Because, if there was actually a link, given how many UK people have had the vaccine now, it would be very apparent surely..

Vick my mate got a blood clot from plaster of paris being put on too tight on her leg! These things happen and if the people its happened to had never had the vaccine they would have had the bood clot anyway, but lets all blame the vaccine .

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/03/18/16/40642986-0-image-m-29_1616085006925.jpg

[AnnieK]

Vick my mate got a blood clot from plaster of paris being put on too tight on her leg! These things happen and if the people its happened to had never had the vaccine they would have had the bood clot anyway, but lets all blame the vaccine .

That happened to a girl I work with. She went in with a broken ankle and came out with a DVT.

[Ammi]

My Mum’s just been for her first jab. In and out in minutes, didn’t even have time to park properly she was so quick. :joker:

...your mum, LaLa...:lovedup:...

[Vicky.]

Vick my mate got a blood clot from plaster of paris being put on too tight on her leg! These things happen and if the people its happened to had never had the vaccine they would have had the bood clot anyway, but lets all blame the vaccine .

Yes exactly.

A correlation would have been noticed by now.

[hijaxers]

That happened to a girl I work with. She went in with a broken ankle and came out with a DVT.

I guess its more common than we think Annie.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Cherie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ew0C2U7UUAsCe6O?format=png&name=small

:joker:

[Nicky91]

Netherlands, Germany, Italy, Spain resuming with AZ Vaccine again

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/03/the-netherlands-restarts-astrazeneca-vaccination-programme/

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2021/03/18/Britain-AstraZeneca-COVID-19-shot-benefit-outweighs-risks-blood-clots/3731616084432/

[Nicky91]

Netherlands now at over 2 million vaccinations done

health minister Hugo de Jonge (via skype from his home) expects that by begin april we should be around 3 million vaccinations

first and second jabs combined that data

[Cherie]

France has now said AZ should be given to over 55s only :facepalm:

This is in response to the 5 blood clots being found in ages 19 to 59 in UK

[Cherie]

Macron has now had the AZ jab beating Bojo to it :laugh:

[Nicky91]

cases are in a surge here in Netherlands as we speak, but for some reason i'm not really completely worried unlike last year, i mean more because it seems we're getting there now with vaccinations

[Cherie]

Finland have suspended AZ while they investigate 2 cases of clotting

We never hear how many jabs have been given to compare

5 cases of clotting in 11 million AZ jabs given in UK

[arista]

Macron has now had the AZ jab beating Bojo to it :laugh:


Johnson got his early AZ
this morning

[Zizu]

5 cases of clotting in 11 million AZ jabs given in UK


That’s one in 2.2 million .. so you’re probably more likely to win the lottery..plus they’ve not been directly linked to the jab as I understand



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[Cherie]

That’s one in 2.2 million .. so you’re probably more likely to win the lottery..plus they’ve not been directly linked to the jab as I understand



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No link at all

[Cherie]

Johnson got his early AZ
this morning

That’s Sky for you

[Samm]

the eu are really shooting themselves in the foot with their rollout :skull: even germany might use the russian vaccine now without eu approval

[Cherie]

the eu are really shooting themselves in the foot with their rollout :skull: even germany might use the russian vaccine now without eu approval

Isn't that made in the same way as the AZ one :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

the District Nurse just came and finally me old mam got the vaccine

:amazed:

[Nicky91]

Isn't that made in the same way as the AZ one :laugh:

don't know, only Putin and his scientists know, and that one seems to be really effective

[Cherie]

don't know, only Putin and his scientists know, and that one seems to be really effective

AZ teamed up with them last December because they use the same method

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-11/astrazeneca-teams-up-with-russias-sputnik-v-vaccine-covid19/12977248

[Cherie]

the District Nurse just came and finally me old mam got the vaccine

:amazed:

:amazed:

[hijaxers]

the District Nurse just came and finally me old mam got the vaccine

:amazed:

Great news bet you're well pleased.

[Zizu]

the District Nurse just came and finally me old mam got the vaccine

:amazed:



Lovely


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Bit worried that my mum who is a literal pincushion yelped a bit :worry:

mind you she had blood taken from her artery a week ago and said that the covid jag was a walk in the park in comparison

[Vicky.]

How on earth has Boris not got his til now :suspect: Should have been ages ago, age/health wise surely..

[arista]

How on earth has Boris not got his til now :suspect: Should have been ages ago, age/health wise surely..


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[Vicky.]

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What a brave little soldier :cheer:

[Cherie]

How on earth has Boris not got his til now :suspect: Should have been ages ago, age/health wise surely..

They are only started doing the over 55's in the last two weeks?

[MTVN]

I'm actually surprised he's that old lol, especially given he's just had a kid

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Vanessa]

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Good old Boris :love:

[Nicky91]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ew4L774VEAEH_eZ?format=jpg&name=small

ew at that nasty headline

no need for such nastiness to anyone, since we are all in this together in this horrible coronacrisis

[Ammi]

the District Nurse just came and finally me old mam got the vaccine

:amazed:

Bit worried that my mum who is a literal pincushion yelped a bit :worry:


....amazing..:love:...such a relief, LT...and she was probably yelping for you/at the thought of you having it...thinking, well this is perfectly fine for me but what about that middle generation LT, he’s such a lightweight...will he cope..?...he’s no TS, you know...

[user104658]

ew at that nasty headline



no need for such nastiness to anyone, since we are all in this together in this horrible coronacrisisOf course it's a nasty headline - it's "the daily star"... Most of their headlines are completely false.

On this occasion though there is an element of truth there - the scaremongering that's come from Europe about vaccines, on multiple occasions, has fed right into the hands of people who are against vaccines AND into the anxieties of people who want to be vaccinated but are scared. It remains to be seen what effect it'll have on overall uptake, but it certainly will have had an effect, and this will cost lives. I'm sorry but the politicians and press from Europe has been quite reckless with this one. The medical experts it seems were NEVER calling for a halt but many nations went ahead for political reasons... Now they're re-starting saying all is well, but the damage is done. Confidence has been eroded.

[Nicky91]

Of course it's a nasty headline - it's "the daily star"... Most of their headlines are completely false.

On this occasion though there is an element of truth there - the scaremongering that's come from Europe about vaccines, on multiple occasions, has fed right into the hands of people who are against vaccines AND into the anxieties of people who want to be vaccinated but are scared. It remains to be seen what effect it'll have on overall uptake, but it certainly will have had an effect, and this will cost lives. I'm sorry but the politicians and press from Europe has been quite reckless with this one. The medical experts it seems were NEVER calling for a halt but many nations went ahead for political reasons... Now they're re-starting saying all is well, but the damage is done. Confidence has been eroded.

our europe is not scaremongering though

fake news

[user104658]

Bit worried that my mum who is a literal pincushion yelped a bit :worry:



mind you she had blood taken from her artery a week ago and said that the covid jag was a walk in the park in comparisonThe jab itself was basically painless, my wife said the same of Pfizer, if you don't look you'd barely know it happened at the time. It's a small needle and a relatively small volume of fluid that goes in. She might have been unlucky if they (literally) hit a nerve.

[Nicky91]

The jab itself was basically painless, my wife said the same of Pfizer, if you don't look you'd barely know it happened at the time. It's a small needle and a relatively small volume of fluid that goes in. She might have been unlucky if they (literally) hit a nerve.

the jab itself is painless, but that is not the important bit


its what goes inside you, toxic trash from chimp virus

[AnnieK]

the jab itself is painless, but that is not the important bit


its what goes inside you, toxic trash from chimp virus

Its saving lives Nicky... its not toxic trash

[user104658]

our europe is not scaremongering though



fake newsI don't know what else you can call it? Halting vaccines when there's no medical evidence that it's necessary to do so, heavily reporting on issues that haven't been properly investigated... It may not be deliberate scaremongering but at the very least, the effects of casting doubt on vaccination were not properly thought through. And this is coming from someone who absolutely understands the importance of informed consent with vaccines and has always championed that; the medical risks should always be explained and outlined... but massive halts were put in place and reports put out without them being medically verified at all.

[Nicky91]

Its saving lives Nicky... its not toxic trash

no, it doesn't save lives

the virus will go away on its own at some point, like spanish flu 100 yrs ago, ok 50 million have died but it did go away without a vaccine

[user104658]

the jab itself is painless, but that is not the important bit





its what goes inside you, toxic trash from chimp virusCan you properly outline your concerns about what's in them Nicky? Because compared to MANY routine vaccines these Covid ones are actually relatively "clean" in terms of their contents.

Have you had vaccines before like measles/MMR, etc?

[AnnieK]

no, it doesn't save lives

the virus will go away on its own at some point, like spanish flu 100 yrs ago, ok 50 million have died but it did go away without a vaccine

How does it not save lives? Have you seen our numbers of deaths and ventilation patients since the start of the programme?

You would rather millions more die needlessly? That's a terrible attitude to have

[Nicky91]

How does it not save lives? Have you seen our numbers of deaths and ventilation patients since the start of the programme?

You would rather millions more die needlessly? That's a terrible attitude to have

no, but here you got blood clots with this vaccine, also not good


i refuse the vaccine since i am young anyway, i can take my chances with corona but not that i myself socialize a lot or go to many places anyway (also gonna go on holiday this year again, to that cabin/bungalow but more extra thorough even more than normal cleaning and disinfecting the whole place, wearing face mask, gloves)

[Ammi]

...I was chatting with my nieces a few days ago...they both live in Paris...and their estimated time atm for their age group etc...to be vaccinated...?...is around 2023, so obviously hugely behind us in this country...I think, whereas we are thinking about decisions on vaccinations now and the for and against etc...other countries have got a lot more deliberating to do in that in between time, we don’t know if any new developments that would impact decisions etc...

[user104658]

no, it doesn't save lives



the virus will go away on its own at some point, like spanish flu 100 yrs ago, ok 50 million have died but it did go away without a vaccineThe virus that caused Spanish flu didn't "go away", it was H1N1 influenza and very much still exists. The pandemic did burn out on its own eventually, yes, and Covid-19 probably would too eventually.

The point is that in doing that, millions of people would die. Several hundred million with global population what it is right now, to be honest.

Also if we have to carry on with lockdowns much longer, there's just no coming back from it.

[bots]

nicky clearly read some bs on twitter, so thats his view for the hour. Quite frankly, i don't care if others dont take the vaccine, that's up to them. Covid isn't going away. We will never achieve world wide herd immunity, so whether someone decides to take it or not is largely irrelevant. Those who choose vaccination will end up getting an annual booster to cope with the latest dominant strain, and life will continue

[Nicky91]

...I was chatting with my nieces a few days ago...they both live in Paris...and their estimated time atm for their age group etc...to be vaccinated...?...is around 2023, so obviously hugely behind us in this country...I think, whereas we are thinking about decisions on vaccinations now and the first and against etc...other countries have got a lot more deliberating to do first and in that in between time, we don’t know if any new developments that would impact decisions etc...

yes this quick vaccine rollout might be helpful for the UK, but british people even when vaccinated you can still carry and spread the virus onto not vaccinated people, so still you must stick to covid guidelines when going on holiday outside UK again etc

also every country has a different approach to this pandemic, we really shouldn't be nasty to other countries governments, their health/medical experts

[Ammi]

...to be fair to Nicky, he’s not having to make decisions so early as us...(...I don’t think...)...so he’s absorbing lots of information on all aspects...Nicky, when would it be estimated for you to have a vaccination, do you know...?..

[Nicky91]

...to be fair to Nicky, he’s not having to make decisions so early as us...(...I don’t think...)...so he’s absorbing lots of information on all aspects...Nicky, when would it be estimated for you to have a vaccination, do you know...?..

i really have no idea for my age group :laugh:

[Ammi]

i really have no idea for my age group :laugh:

...actually it looks as though it might be this year sometime but I don’t know the accuracy of the site that I looked at...

[Nicky91]

The virus that caused Spanish flu didn't "go away", it was H1N1 influenza and very much still exists. The pandemic did burn out on its own eventually, yes, and Covid-19 probably would too eventually.

The point is that in doing that, millions of people would die. Several hundred million with global population what it is right now, to be honest.

Also if we have to carry on with lockdowns much longer, there's just no coming back from it.

yes you got a good point on lockdowns, it just feels like a safety zone for me to get numbers down

but you're right, everyone needs to adapt to the new normal i think


also vaccinating should always remain a free choice, i feel like we only need to protect the more vulnerable and elderly risk groups to get numbers down

but to slow down the spread into making it burn out i guess if we get up to 70 or 75% vaccinated all countries i mean herd immunity idea

[AnnieK]

yes you got a good point on lockdowns, it just feels like a safety zone for me to get numbers down

but you're right, everyone needs to adapt to the new normal i think


also vaccinating should always remain a free choice, i feel like we only need to protect the more vulnerable and elderly risk groups to get numbers down

but to slow down the spread into making it burn out i guess if we get up to 70 or 75% vaccinated all countries i mean herd immunity idea

The problem with only locking down and not getting vaccines into as many people as possible is that it is not sustainable. We cannot stay locked down forever, or very much longer really, we know need to get moving again or the economic effects will be irreversible.

[user104658]

The problem with only locking down and not getting vaccines into as many people as possible is that it is not sustainable. We cannot stay locked down forever, or very much longer really, we know need to get moving again or the economic effects will be irreversible.

I've actually started to see that in theory the economy could adapt in relatively short time; more remote working, more automisation of manufacturing/warehouse type work, retail moving almost entirely online, and then Universal Basic Income given to those who would be working in those unskilled/low wage positions... I mean, what is furlough/Universal Credit if not a rudimentary form of that? They'd have to finally get around to adapting taxation on the massive companies to fund it, but those companies would have a massively reduced labour bill anyway.

What is a bigger concern and on the verge of being truly devastating is the psychological effects of lockdown with no end in sight. Human beings are group-living/social animals and even family groups are somewhat isolating .. .. we're not "supposed to" live like this and it can't go on indefinitely without huge, largely unknown, sociological effects.

[bots]

I've actually started to see that in theory the economy could adapt in relatively short time; more remote working, more automisation of manufacturing/warehouse type work, retail moving almost entirely online, and then Universal Basic Income given to those who would be working in those unskilled/low wage positions... I mean, what is furlough/Universal Credit if not a rudimentary form of that? They'd have to finally get around to adapting taxation on the massive companies to fund it, but those companies would have a massively reduced labour bill anyway.

What is a bigger concern and on the verge of being truly devastating is the psychological effects of lockdown with no end in sight. Human beings are group-living/social animals and even family groups are somewhat isolating .. .. we're not "supposed to" live like this and it can't go on indefinitely without huge, largely unknown, sociological effects.

we already adapted having many more working than in the first lock down. The areas that suffer are physical retail and the hospitality/entertainment industries which are going to suffer from any pandemic.

Now that the vulnerable are vaccinated, the death rate will drop to single digits by April and if a booster vaccination is required every year, so be it. I think we need to look at the positives that came from this. Vaccination technology has progressed exponentially, working off site is easily feasible, business flights will sustain at a low level

[Vicky.]

They are only started doing the over 55's in the last two weeks?

I forget this seems to be..regional. Ours appear to be on 35-40 now and have been for the past week or so!

[Nicky91]

The problem with only locking down and not getting vaccines into as many people as possible is that it is not sustainable. We cannot stay locked down forever, or very much longer really, we know need to get moving again or the economic effects will be irreversible.

which is why we need to figure out ways of a new normal where we can also work on the economic health, as well as ourselves staying safe


we cannot rely on a lockdown AND a vaccine (bc latter well once you got the vaccine you will have to have this vaccine every year same as regular flu)

[user104658]

we already adapted having many more working than in the first lock down. The areas that suffer are physical retail and the hospitality/entertainment industries which are going to suffer from any pandemic.



Now that the vulnerable are vaccinated, the death rate will drop to single digits by April and if a booster vaccination is required every year, so be it. I think we need to look at the positives that came from this. Vaccination technology has progressed exponentially, working off site is easily feasible, business flights will sustain at a low levelI did read that the research into Covid vaccines has resulted in the first successful trials of a effective malaria vaccine with 80%+ efficacy (precious efforts had yielded a pretty much useless 40%).

If that's the case and it can be rolled out in good numbers, it'll save millions of lives in Africa, and unfortunately nearly 70% of Malaria deaths are children under 5 so that's really huge news. In fact on balance it's likely that more lives in the long term will be saved by medical advances related to the pandemic than will be lost to the pandemic.

[Nicky91]

we got a new vaccine, here at the University Medical Centre in Groningen

lots of interest for test subjects, over 1.500 people here

https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/76/

this one AKS-452 from the american company Akston Biosciences

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Vanessa]

The EU stopping vaccinations has resulted in rise in a third wave. So they have to lockdown.
While we keep vaccinating and are about to open up. :spin2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just had my Jag, literally felt nothing

[AnnieK]

Just had my Jag, literally felt nothing

Good to hear. Perfect excuse to take it easy today though....:love:

[Ammi]

Just had my Jag, literally felt nothing

...:love:...

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[bots]

Just had my Jag, literally felt nothing

Did you hear Bill Gates in your ear though? That's the important test

[user104658]

The EU stopping vaccinations has resulted in rise in a third wave. So they have to lockdown.

While we keep vaccinating and are about to open up. :spin2:I think this is a common misconception to be honest... We have just had the wave that's now sweeping Europe. The huge spike we saw in January is what most of Europe is experiencing now. That's why I also don't understand why some news stories are worried that we'll be "next" :think:. Lots of evidence to suggest that it's the "Kent strain" that's pushing numbers up all across Europe now and that was the strain that swept the UK over winter.

[user104658]

Just had my Jag, literally felt nothingThat's what I said LT, then the next day I felt really "off" and on day 3 totally exhausted and my arm was very sore :bawling:. Woken up feeling fine yesterday though. Arm still feels slightly tender but just like a mild bruise.

That said, I did read that AZ makes younger people feel rougher and doesn't affect oldies quite as much (a lot of over 70's don't experience any side effects at all) so maybe you'll be OK.

[Zizu]

Just had my Jag, literally felt nothing



Excellent


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[bots]

That's what I said LT, then the next day I felt really "off" and on day 3 totally exhausted and my arm was very sore :bawling:. Woken up feeling fine yesterday though. Arm still feels slightly tender but just like a mild bruise.

That said, I did read that AZ makes younger people feel rougher and doesn't affect oldies quite as much (a lot of over 70's don't experience any side effects at all) so maybe you'll be OK.

my arm got sore after about 48 hours, then after half a day it was fine :laugh: I think the AZ symptoms all follow a very similar path, just the severity of them differs slightly person to person. The perception is largely very subjective. One persons "feeling a bit off" could be anothers "feeling like death warmed up". Also, older people have gotten used to so many aches and pains etc that they consider feeling crap pretty normal :laugh:

Pfizer again seems quite predictable. Soreness, muscle pain and more of a reaction on the 2nd jab than those have on AZ

[user104658]

my arm got sore after about 48 hours, then after half a day it was fine :laugh: I think the AZ symptoms all follow a very similar path, just the severity of them differs slightly person to person. The perception is largely very subjective. One persons "feeling a bit off" could be anothers "feeling like death warmed up". Also, older people have gotten used to so many aches and pains etc that they consider feeling crap pretty normal :laugh:

Pfizer again seems quite predictable. Soreness, muscle pain and more of a reaction on the 2nd jab than those have on AZ

I did think that actually - like I have 2 kids and I never get enough sleep so I'm always knackered anyway... so while I did feel pretty wiped from it, it wasn't THAT far from normal :joker:. I was wondering if someone who is usually well-rested and full of energy would feel like that and think "Oh god this is horrendous". Well welcome to my life buddy :hmph:.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's what I said LT, then the next day I felt really "off" and on day 3 totally exhausted and my arm was very sore :bawling:. Woken up feeling fine yesterday though. Arm still feels slightly tender but just like a mild bruise.

That said, I did read that AZ makes younger people feel rougher and doesn't affect oldies quite as much (a lot of over 70's don't experience any side effects at all) so maybe you'll be OK.

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[arista]

[People vaccinated up to and including 19 March 2021

First dose: 26,853,407

Second dose: 2,132,551]



https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk

[Cherie]

AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine is both safe and highly effective, new trial data from the United States shows.
The data revealed the jab was 79 per cent effective against preventing symptomatic Covid-19 and 100 per cent effective at preventing severe illness and hospitalisation.
Scientists also said there were no safety concerns associated with blood clots.


The independent

Another link

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/astrazeneca-us-trial-data-shows-vaccine-79-effective-76600407

[Cherie]

Just had my Jag, literally felt nothing

That’s what she said :laugh:

Congrats how are you feeling today?

[bots]

AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine is both safe and highly effective, new trial data from the United States shows.
The data revealed the jab was 79 per cent effective against preventing symptomatic Covid-19 and 100 per cent effective at preventing severe illness and hospitalisation.
Scientists also said there were no safety concerns associated with blood clots.


The independent

Another link

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/astrazeneca-us-trial-data-shows-vaccine-79-effective-76600407

the eu have a lot to answer for in their whole handling of the AZ vaccine. They have actually directly caused the death of eu citizens which is unforgivable

[Nicky91]

the eu have a lot to answer for in their whole handling of the AZ vaccine. They have actually directly caused the death of eu citizens which is unforgivable

so what

we don't have to answer for anything

[Cherie]

the eu have a lot to answer for in their whole handling of the AZ vaccine. They have actually directly caused the death of eu citizens which is unforgivable

100% effective against severe disease and hospitalisation is the news we have all been waiting for

[AnnieK]

100% effective against severe disease and hospitalisation is the news we have all been waiting for

Its fantastic news.

[user104658]

Its fantastic news.

It's the most important thing by far but it will mean remembering that the only figures worth watching (once vaccination percentage is high) will be hospitalisations and deaths, case numbers will become somewhat irrelevant.

Will also be interesting to keep an eye on data about how transmissable Covid is from asymptomatic people, which I assume will be a big reaearch focus once the vaccines are in full swing. If risk of transmission from an asymptomatic person is low then it's even better news. I *think* early data has suggested that you're much less likely to get in "in passing" from an asymptomatic person because they're not coughing/sneezing/otherwise... erm... secreting... and the only real risk with asymptomatic transmission is between people who live in close proximity or frequently get "very close". In short, you could probably catch it quite easily from an asymptomatic person if you're snogging their face off, but not if you were sat next to them on a train.

[bots]

it's all related to viral load. An asymptomatic person has to have a low viral load if infected (similar to infected children) so they are much less likely to transmit ... it's still possible to pass it on though.

The hospital cases are dropping very rapidly which supports the idea that the vaccine is working, because the lockdown was never as strict as it was last March so transmission is still a distinct possibility and the only real difference in the equation is the vaccine

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2021/03/21/035blower22-3-21_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqjYeQRtCUmaNTl9ge3Skvf2LZgWdd Hfes6e-pNqDiVg.jpg?imwidth=1100

[Cherie]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2021/03/21/035blower22-3-21_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqjYeQRtCUmaNTl9ge3Skvf2LZgWdd Hfes6e-pNqDiVg.jpg?imwidth=1100

:joker:

[user104658]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2021/03/21/035blower22-3-21_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqjYeQRtCUmaNTl9ge3Skvf2LZgWdd Hfes6e-pNqDiVg.jpg?imwidth=1100

That poor bugger is aging terribly.

[Cherie]

oll suggests slump in trust in AstraZeneca vaccine

Meanwhile, a new poll suggests that trust in the vaccine in many European countries has plunged following controversy around the jab in recent weeks.

The survey by British pollsters YouGov carried out in the week to 18 March found a majority of people in the largest European Union member states, including Germany, France, Spain, and Italy, now see the inoculation as unsafe.

However, views towards the AstraZeneca jab remain overwhelmingly positive in Britain, where two-thirds of respondents said it is safe, compared with just 9% believing it is not.

Earlier this month several EU countries, including Ireland, suspended its use, pending a review by the European Medicines Agency (EMA) after dozens of isolated cases of blood clots and brain haemorrhages.

The EMA last week declared the AstraZeneca jab "safe and effective", with the World Health Organization and the UK's medicines regulator issuing similar endorsements.

That led European countries to resume administering the vaccine, but not before severely damaging confidence in it.

In its survey, YouGov found 55% of Germans now say the vaccine is unsafe, a 15-point rise in a month, compared with 32% viewing it as safe.

In already more vaccine-hesitant France, 61% of respondents said it was unsafe, while Italy and Spain both saw a 27-point monthly jump in the number of people saying they did not trust the jab.

No similar increases in safety fears were seen for rival vaccines by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, YouGov said.

The pollsters interviewed 2,024 Germans, and around 1,000 adults in each of the other countries.

RTE.ie

looks like Sputnik it is then

[user104658]

These countries have shot themselves in the foot even when supply/demand is no longer an issue... the other vaccines are literally 10x - 20x more expensive per dose :umm2:. Not that money should be the concern obviously, but still.

Even I have to admit that damage was done, I was hoping it wouldn't be AZ when I got mine (last week before it had really been confirmed whether or not these links were valid) and had a bit of an anxiety spike for a second "in the hotseat" so to speak :joker:. Luckily as a wise and logical person I can (usually) convince myself to be rational, but I can imagine a lot of lesserfolks just not turning up to appointments.

[Cherie]

These countries have shot themselves in the foot even when supply/demand is no longer an issue... the other vaccines are literally 10x - 20x more expensive per dose :umm2:. Not that money should be the concern obviously, but still.

Even I have to admit that damage was done, I was hoping it wouldn't be AZ when I got mine (last week before it had really been confirmed whether or not these links were valid) and had a bit of an anxiety spike for a second "in the hotseat" so to speak :joker:. Luckily as a wise and logical person I can (usually) convince myself to be rational, but I can imagine a lot of lesserfolks just not turning up to appointments.

If the US approve the vaccine, things could get even trickier

[bots]

the AZ vaccine will be used around the world in huge numbers, so AZ couldnt give a toss about the EU in all honesty. What has been made clear is that the EU cannot be relied on in a tight spot, and that is best to know sooner rather than later. Also, if the infection rates spike the way I think they will across europe, the people are going to be mightily pissed off that they are dying due to the EU's incompetence

[user104658]

the AZ vaccine will be used around the world in huge numbers, so AZ couldnt give a toss about the EU in all honesty. What has been made clear is that the EU cannot be relied on in a tight spot, and that is best to know sooner rather than later. Also, if the infection rates spike the way I think they will across europe, the people are going to be mightily pissed off that they are dying due to the EU's incompetence

It's a PR nightmare for the EU at a critical time (when there were already growing -exit movements in many member states pre-covid), that much is sure.

[bots]

It's a PR nightmare for the EU at a critical time (when there were already growing -exit movements in many member states pre-covid), that much is sure.

people can criticise Mr Trump for a lot, but the warp speed program was a raging success and Biden is soaking up the benefit of that now. Compare that to the EU

[user104658]

people can criticise Mr Trump for a lot, but the warp speed program was a raging success and Biden is soaking up the benefit of that now. Compare that to the EU

I actually didn't know (until Mr Google told me just now) that Oxford AZ actually got significant funding from Warp Speed. I knew that Pfizer actually didn't get funding from it. Also interesting that the company got the most funding (GlaxoSmithKline) actually failed to make an effective vaccine :umm2:. They used a different vaccine technology and it seems it just didn't really work. Wups lol.

[bots]

I actually didn't know (until Mr Google told me just now) that Oxford AZ actually got significant funding from Warp Speed. I knew that Pfizer actually didn't get funding from it. Also interesting that the company got the most funding (GlaxoSmithKline) actually failed to make an effective vaccine :umm2:. They used a different vaccine technology and it seems it just didn't really work. Wups lol.

the point being that the EU had the resources available to get production plants upgraded and ready to produce and distribute vaccine, but they were too busy removing fluff from their navels

[Nicky91]

the point being that the EU had the resources available to get production plants upgraded and ready to produce and distribute vaccine, but they were too busy removing fluff from their navels

no, it doesn't work like that

vaccinating people is really difficult

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

it will give you blood clots though


what do these uneducated oxford idiots know

[AnnieK]

it will give you blood clots though


what do these uneducated oxford idiots know

I think they know quite a lot :laugh:

[Nicky91]

I think they know quite a lot :laugh:

in terms of honesty, fairness


eu countries who are lagging are Netherlands, Italy, France in terms of vaccinations


Germany already done 6.4 million, Merkel mentioned in her speech regarding new stricter lockdown measures yesterday also they still need to up the speed of their rollout (CureVac incoming of course, and also a deal with Russia on Sputnik being worked out as we speak so the german public can have two alternate options to AZ since they have no faith in it anymore, maybe they can send their AZ doses to Czech Republic since they had earlier announced eager to help out there)


but i see on a graphic, Germany still miles ahead of the EU in general in terms of vaccinations

[Cherie]

in terms of honesty, fairness


eu countries who are lagging are Netherlands, Italy, France in terms of vaccinations


Germany already done 6.4 million, Merkel mentioned in her speech regarding new stricter lockdown measures yesterday also they still need to up the speed of their rollout (CureVac incoming of course, and also a deal with Russia on Sputnik being worked out as we speak so the german public can have two alternate options to AZ since they have no faith in it anymore, maybe they can send their AZ doses to Czech Republic since they had earlier announced eager to help out there)


but i see on a graphic, Germany still miles ahead of the EU in general in terms of vaccinations

What do they have the EMA for if they are going to take no notice, as I understand it Sputnik has not been approved by the EMA but Germany are going to use it... mess!

[Nicky91]

What do they have the EMA for if they are going to take no notice, as I understand it Sputnik has not been approved by the EMA but Germany are going to use it... mess!

yeah so, who cares about EMA

[Cherie]

yeah so, who cares about EMA
'
Nobody obviously...so they need to be got rid of what's the point of these scientists that no one listens to when they can have Macron male a decision based on nothing other than spite, 897 jobs gone in one fell swoop

https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/agencies/ema_en

[Nicky91]

UK handled everything so well, no covid deaths at all either

[bots]

UK handled everything so well, no covid deaths at all either

quit with the sarcasm Nicky, too many people on this forum have been personally affected by covid. Also quit with the constant slagging off of the vaccine that most people on this forum have chosen to take. You are not helping

[user104658]

quit with the sarcasm Nicky, too many people on this forum have been personally affected by covid. Also quit with the constant slagging off of the vaccine that most people on this forum have chosen to take. You are not helping

To be fair to Nicky I think he's just a bit frustrated and confused because a lot of the info he's getting at home is completely at odds with what he's hearing on here.

[arista]

it will give you blood clots though


what do these uneducated oxford idiots know



No
those people were going to have blood clots anyway.


Hence, the EU leaders saying use AZ

[Vanessa]

The EU has really shot themselves on the foot.
By stopping the vaccination programme they caused a third wave.
While here in the UK we're on our way out because we keep vaccinating.
I don't even care if I can't go abroad this year, I just want some normality back.

[Nicky91]

quit with the sarcasm Nicky, too many people on this forum have been personally affected by covid. Also quit with the constant slagging off of the vaccine that most people on this forum have chosen to take. You are not helping

what sarcasm?

i was told i should be more optimistic towards UK

so i am more optimistic


good no longer gonna slag off AZ vaccine then, then it is to be blamed on a bad batch of AZ here in the EU, but that is no excuse for us, since we also got other vaccines than this one


well Netherlands (my own country) really not proud of our lacklustre mess, slightly over 2 million vaccinated is far too little

[Cherie]

I am so confused, they won't use it and are waiting on Curevac and Sputnik but they won't export it either :shrug:

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has voiced support for EU chief Ursula von der Leyen's threat to block AstraZeneca vaccines produced in the bloc from being exported, ahead of a crunch EU summit on the escalating row.

"I support Commission President Ursula von der Leyen," said Merkel.

"We have a problem with AstraZeneca," she added.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0323/1205551-covid-vaccine/

[Nicky91]

I am so confused, they won't use it and are waiting on Curevac and Sputnik but they won't export it either :shrug:

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has voiced support for EU chief Ursula von der Leyen's threat to block AstraZeneca vaccines produced in the bloc from being exported, ahead of a crunch EU summit on the escalating row.

"I support Commission President Ursula von der Leyen," said Merkel.

"We have a problem with AstraZeneca," she added.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0323/1205551-covid-vaccine/

yes the problem is more that people there no longer have faith in AstraZeneca, and as you can't force it onto people, since vaccinating should always remain a free choice


also why export something you don't trust? maybe all this what they got of AZ are a bad batch

[Vanessa]

The EU need to get vaccinating if they want to get cases down.
They're so behind, they've messed this up.
I really feel for people in Europe, they should be getting vaccinated, it's a complete disaster!

[Vanessa]

yes the problem is more that people there no longer have faith in AstraZeneca, and as you can't force it onto people, since vaccinating should always remain a free choice


also why export something you don't trust? maybe all this what they got of AZ are a bad batch
Vaccination is the only way out of this.
Why don't they just use other vaccines?
They can't delay any longer.

[Niamh.]

yes the problem is more that people there no longer have faith in AstraZeneca, and as you can't force it onto people, since vaccinating should always remain a free choice


also why export something you don't trust? maybe all this what they got of AZ are a bad batch

We're using it again in Ireland anyway :shrug:

[Vanessa]

We're using it again in Ireland anyway :shrug:

That's very good.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The EU need to get vaccinating if they want to get cases down.
They're so behind, they've messed this up.
I really feel for people in Europe, they should be getting vaccinated, it's a complete disaster!

Its all political grandstanding and its costing lives

The EU is a disgrace

[Cherie]

yes the problem is more that people there no longer have faith in AstraZeneca, and as you can't force it onto people, since vaccinating should always remain a free choice


also why export something you don't trust? maybe all this what they got of AZ are a bad batch

is that why they are not exporting, who knew

[Cherie]

We're using it again in Ireland anyway :shrug:

My sister's husband got his this morning, he has health issues so up the list :clap1:

[Niamh.]

My sister's husband got his this morning, he has health issues so up the list :clap1:

Gavin's dad got his first jab last week (it was the Pfizer one though) It will be a massive weight off Gavin when he's got both

[Cherie]

Gavin's dad got his first jab last week (it was the Pfizer one though) It will be a massive weight off Gavin when he's got both

:clap2:

[bots]

i'm nearly 3 weeks in from my first jab, so from a confidence perspective, it makes all the difference in the world. People shouldn't underestimate the difference it makes mentally after the year we have had

[Niamh.]

i'm nearly 3 weeks in from my first jab, so from a confidence perspective, it makes all the difference in the world. People shouldn't underestimate the difference it makes mentally after the year we have had

Yeah I was a bit worried about how fast they were rolled etc at the start but tbh at this stage I just don't care, I'd take anything to get life back to some sort of normality

[Crimson Dynamo]

well thats is me 48 hours past my first jag and no after effects

[Vanessa]

Yeah I was a bit worried about how fast they were rolled etc at the start but tbh at this stage I just don't care, I'd take anything to get life back to some sort of normality

Yes, I can't wait to have some normality back.
Its going to be amazing!

[Cherie]

Yeah I was a bit worried about how fast they were rolled etc at the start but tbh at this stage I just don't care, I'd take anything to get life back to some sort of normality

Bojo will be secretly shipping AZ via Rosslare after Mehole's support earlier :laugh:

[Cherie]

Its all political grandstanding and its costing lives

The EU is a disgrace

I get vaccine nationalism, every nation wants to look after its own citizens and get its economy back on track, but what is frustrating about this is they have stockpiles of the stuff they won't use, France is a vaccine hesitant nation anyway so Macrons comments haven't helped at all, and yet they don't want anyone else to have it either :facepalm:

[Niamh.]

Bojo will be secretly shipping AZ via Rosslare after Mehole's support earlier :laugh:

I'll take it :hehe:

[user104658]

Gavin's dad got his first jab last week (it was the Pfizer one though) It will be a massive weight off Gavin when he's got both

3 weeks after the first vaccine it seems from all the data so far, you're basically "out of the woods" in terms of severe risk to health / death regardless of second dose. Although is Ireland sticking with the actual guidelines and giving 2nd dose after 3 weeks?

[Vicky.]

It's the most important thing by far but it will mean remembering that the only figures worth watching (once vaccination percentage is high) will be hospitalisations and deaths, case numbers will become somewhat irrelevant.


Exactly. Press will soon switch from deaths to 'cases'. Even though cases dont even matter tbh as long as people are as safe and not likely to be very ill or die :shrug:

Could have half the bloody country infected and it shouldn't really matter.

[Vanessa]

I'm having my second one in May.
Can't wait.

[Nicky91]

I get vaccine nationalism, every nation wants to look after its own citizens and get its economy back on track, but what is frustrating about this is they have stockpiles of the stuff they won't use, France is a vaccine hesitant nation anyway so Macrons comments haven't helped at all, and yet they don't want anyone else to have it either :facepalm:

hmm that explains it

how many vaccinations have been done in France as of today anyway?

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: ministery of health our vaccination rollout rate will rise from 250.000 jabs a week to 400.000 jabs this week and 500.000 jabs next week

daily average of jabs will increase from 32.000 to 57.000 jabs

[Niamh.]

3 weeks after the first vaccine it seems from all the data so far, you're basically "out of the woods" in terms of severe risk to health / death regardless of second dose. Although is Ireland sticking with the actual guidelines and giving 2nd dose after 3 weeks?

I'm not sure tbh, I'll let you know when he gets the 2nd jab

[Niamh.]

I'm having my second one in May.
Can't wait.

That's a long gap between the two, isn't it?

[Vanessa]

That's a long gap between the two, isn't it?

Yes.

[Alf]

The plan was for the vaccine to come out in a few years time and we'd be locked down until then, but Trump rushed them into it by producing one. So now they have to come up with new ideas to keep us locked down.

[Niamh.]

The plan was for the vaccine to come out in a few years time and we'd be locked down until then, but Trump rushed them into it by producing one. So now they have to come up with new ideas to keep us locked down.

Why do you think they want to keep us Locked down though? I've heard a few people say stuff like this and I still can't see why that would be a good idea? What way would it benefit governments to devastate economies?

[Alf]

Why do you think they want to keep us Locked down though? I've heard a few people say stuff like this and I still can't see why that would be a good idea? What way would it benefit governments to devastate economies?The great reset.

[Niamh.]

The great reset.

What does that mean though?

[Alf]

What does that mean though?There's many theories, the most popular one is that they're gonna get rid of money and it's all going to be digital, where the state controls it.

[arista]

There's many theories, the most popular one is that they're gonna get rid of money and it's all going to be digital, where the state controls it.


Alf Get away from your vision
watch the Prime Minister tonight Live 5PM

[Niamh.]

There's many theories, the most popular one is that they're gonna get rid of money and it's all going to be digital, where the state controls it.

They could have done that without a Pandemic though, we were already heading that way pretty swiftly. Don't get me wrong I'm not totally closed off to the idea that governments/big Pharma etc are up to no good, I just can't think of or haven't heard a reason that sounds logical for why they would yet

[Alf]

Alf Get away from your vision
watch the Prime Minister tonight Live 5PMIt's not my vision, Prince Charles has been talking about it as has the World economic Forum.

[Alf]

Alf Get away from your vision
watch the Prime Minister tonight Live 5PMThe Prime Minister is a puppet. The Wizard of Oz is behind the curtain, pulling the strings.

[arista]

The Prime Minister is a puppet. The Wizard of Oz is behind the curtain, pulling the strings.



No he is with Prince Charles views

[Alf]

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[Cherie]

There's many theories, the most popular one is that they're gonna get rid of money and it's all going to be digital, where the state controls it.

People are doing that by themselves as generations move on and banks close down, seems a bit overkill to tank whole economies for it :laugh:

[DouglasS]

1373828747921608704

:clap1:

[Alf]

People are doing that by themselves as generations move on and banks close down, seems a bit overkill to tank whole economies for it :laugh:As much as it is overkill to lockdown for over a year for something that as an over 99% recovery rate?

[Mystic Mock]

Why do you think they want to keep us Locked down though? I've heard a few people say stuff like this and I still can't see why that would be a good idea? What way would it benefit governments to devastate economies?

I don't get it either.

[Cherie]

As much as it is overkill to lockdown for over a year for something that as an over 99% recovery rate?

Again and I think I have said this to you before, it isn't about the recovery rate it' about hospitals being overrun. literally every government in the world would have to be in on this, as well as every doctor, nurse, cleaner, hospital porter

[bots]

That's a long gap between the two, isn't it?

the data shows that the AZ vaccine becomes more effective with a longer distance from the first jab. It's the same with quite a lot of vaccines actually.

It's probably true with Pfizer too, they just dont have the data yet to back it up, but there will be plenty data coming in the next couple of months :laugh:

[Alf]

Again and I think I have said this to you before, it isn't about the recovery rate it' about hospitals being overrun. literally every government in the world would have to be in on this, as well as every doctor, nurse, cleaner, hospital porterHow do you know hospitals are overrun? Have you attended them and seen them overrun with your own eyes?

[Niamh.]

the data shows that the AZ vaccine becomes more effective with a longer distance from the first jab. It's the same with quite a lot of vaccines actually.

It's probably true with Pfizer too, they just dont have the data yet to back it up, but there will be plenty data coming in the next couple of months :laugh:

Oh i was just going on what TS had just said that 3 weeks between the 1st and 2nd is optimal?

[Niamh.]

How do you know hospitals are overrun? Have you attended them and seen them overrun with your own eyes?

You think every Doctor, Nurse, cleaner, Receptionist etc are going to keep their mouth shut and just go along with a lie like that? In pretty much every country?

[Cherie]

How do you know hospitals are overrun? Have you attended them and seen them overrun with your own eyes?

Seen footage yes?

you think NHS workers are lying?

Have you seen they are not overrun?

[Alf]

You think every Doctor, Nurse, cleaner, Receptionist etc are going to keep their mouth shut and just go along with a lie like that? In pretty much every country?No, and they don't.

[Alf]

Seen footage yes?

you think NHS workers are lying?

Have you seen they are not overrun?I've seen footage of empty hospitals, yes.

[Niamh.]

No, and they don't.

Where have they been speaking out? I haven't seen any of that, you would think Fb and the like would be a wash with stories

[Cherie]

I've seen footage of empty hospitals, yes.

well yes because visitors are not allowed in, and alot of people are fearful of attending A and E attendance for example dropped by about 80%

[Alf]

well yes because visitors are not allowed in, and alot of people are fearful of attending A and E attendance for example dropped by about 80%So if A and E is down by 80% then how are hospitals overrun?

[Cherie]

So if A and E is down by 80% then how are hospitals overrun?


ICU? ventilators? you cant just throw open a door and say here we are ICU :laugh:, staff isolating, staff off sick

anyway 80% was last March probably back to near normal levels now

[arista]

[People vaccinated up to and including 22 March 2021

First dose: 28,327,873

Second dose: 2,363,684]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[bots]

ICU? ventilators? you cant just throw open a door and say here we are ICU :laugh:, staff isolating, staff off sick

anyway 80% was last March probably back to near normal levels now

the numbers in hospital and those on ventilators has come right down from its peak, which is great. We can open up carefully now, but those conspiracy theorists saying hospitals were never busy are talking nonsense. I find it's best to leave them to it. There is no point in discussing it.

[Zizu]

It's not my vision, Prince Charles has been talking about it as has the World economic Forum.



Prince Charlie preferred Camilla over Di and he talks to his plants ... I won’t be taking any notice of him tbh


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[arista]

From The PM Live

[17:15 :Antibodies are holding up - but autumn booster
jabs may be needed

Tim from Northampton asks a question about
how long antibodies last for and if it means
that vulnerable groups vaccinated first will
need to be prioritised for a second
vaccination cycle before young people
have even had their first jab.

Sir Patrick Vallance says in general
antibody levels are "holding up".

He says: "We don't know exactly how long
because obviously people haven't been
vaccinated for a very long period.
So you may see some slight decline.
But on the whole, antibody levels are holding up."

He says there will be a need to think about
booster jabs in the autumn.]

[Cherie]

From The PM Live

[17:15 :Antibodies are holding up - but autumn booster
jabs may be needed

Tim from Northampton asks a question about
how long antibodies last for and if it means
that vulnerable groups vaccinated first will
need to be prioritised for a second
vaccination cycle before young people
have even had their first jab.

Sir Patrick Vallance says in general
antibody levels are "holding up".

He says: "We don't know exactly how long
because obviously people haven't been
vaccinated for a very long period.
So you may see some slight decline.
But on the whole, antibody levels are holding up."

He says there will be a need to think about
booster jabs in the autumn.]

Think we were expecting that anyway

[Vicky.]

They could have done that without a Pandemic though, we were already heading that way pretty swiftly. Don't get me wrong I'm not totally closed off to the idea that governments/big Pharma etc are up to no good, I just can't think of or haven't heard a reason that sounds logical for why they would yet

'Best' I saw was..forcing us to actually do something to slow global warming. But even that falls down tbh when you factor in the likes of china 'going along' too.

Mind, those who say things like that..generally dont seem to think its a hoax or whatever. Seems to be they know covid is real, but think governments and such have been exagerating the claims hugely. Given some used the situation to bung money to mates..that does not seem too farfetched to me.

[arista]

The EU has tightened up the rules
to ensure, they have enough.

https://news.sky.com/story/eu-calls-for-tougher-vaccine-export-controls-to-ensure-more-supplies-for-the-blocs-citizens-12255152


[The proposals recommend more transparency
and reciprocity but do not go as far as including
a ban on exports to the UK.]

[Cherie]

Think Moderna is due soon so that should shore up supplies hopefully

Maybe if the EU got cracking using the supplies they have that would be a start for them

[Nicky91]

Think Moderna is due soon so that should shore up supplies hopefully

Maybe if the EU got cracking using the supplies they have that would be a start for them

don't tell us what to do

vaccinating is difficult (for example like you said France, most are hesitant of vaccines in general) and you can't really force vaccine on anyone, that is not ethical

[Cherie]

don't tell us what to do

vaccinating is difficult (for example like you said France, most are hesitant of vaccines in general) and you can't really force vaccine on anyone, that is not ethical

the stance is very peculiar, we wont use it but we don't want you to use it either :crazy:

btw Nicky I am a EU citizen so I am part of the 'us' :hehe:

[Nicky91]

the stance is very peculiar, we wont use it but we don't want you to use it either :crazy:

btw Nicky I am a EU citizen so I am part of the 'us' :hehe:

is it so difficult to understand what Merkel said, i mean really it has been proven the AstraZeneca doses what is in EU, is kinda a bad batch compared to the doses in the UK, where not many people or no one really complains about it

would you give a bad batch to other countries then?

[Cherie]

is it so difficult to understand what Merkel said, i mean really it has been proven the AstraZeneca doses what is in EU, is kinda a bad batch compared to the doses in the UK, where not many people or no one really complains about it

would you give a bad batch to other countries then?

what's happened, not heard anything about a bad batch, and given the EU are saying UK has not exported any vaccines, whatever you are talking about didn't come from the UK, are you talking about clots? or what

[arista]

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Ref: A Massive tanker got stuck across
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they managed to move it
with some tug boats

[Vanessa]

I'm so proud of the work we're doing with vaccinations.
It's just about the only thing we got right :joker:
But it could mean a return to some kind of normality, hopefully. :love:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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That Evergreen Tanker has now been moved by tug boats.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Niamh.]

3 weeks after the first vaccine it seems from all the data so far, you're basically "out of the woods" in terms of severe risk to health / death regardless of second dose. Although is Ireland sticking with the actual guidelines and giving 2nd dose after 3 weeks?

I asked Gav about this and he said it's going to be 24 days between his dad's first and second jab

[Cherie]

My auntie is booked for her second Pfizer jab on 31st March, will let you know Zizu if she has any side affects, she had none after the first

[Niamh.]

I thought Gavs dad had none but apparently his arm was really sore for the day afterwards, not normal jab sore more than that. He was fine after 24 hours though. They did tell him that the side effects might be worse after the second jab (he had the Pfizer one)

[Cherie]

I thought Gavs dad had none but apparently his arm was really sore for the day afterwards, not normal jab sore more than that. He was fine after 24 hours though. They did tell him that the side effects might be worse after the second jab (he had the Pfizer one)

I think I would like some minor side affects so I know it's worked :worry:

[Niamh.]

I think I would like some minor side affects so I know it's worked :worry:

:laugh:

[Cherie]

:laugh:

I remember after my last tetanus jab, my jaw locking a bit :laugh:

[bots]

I think I would like some minor side affects so I know it's worked :worry:

the thing is we are hyper sensitive to anything that has changed after getting the jab, so i'm sure you will find some side effect to reassure you :laugh:

[Cherie]

the thing is we are hyper sensitive to anything that has changed after getting the jab, so i'm sure you will find some side effect to reassure you :laugh:

I just want it done now, I feel left out, looks like it will be May though

[bots]

I just want it done now, I feel left out, looks like it will be May though

i'm 3 weeks in now exactly, so i'm very upbeat now. I think it's all going to heat up with the EU from today, so i think there is going to be quite a disruption to future vaccinations

[AnnieK]

I just want it done now, I feel left out, looks like it will be May though

Do you do any shopping etc for your aunt Cherie? Because my Dad was shielding and I do his shopping and go in his house, I can book mine now even though I've not been called. Am waiting for school to break up next week in case I do have any side effects but then I'm going to get jabbed :amazed:

[Cherie]

Do you do any shopping etc for your aunt Cherie? Because my Dad was shielding and I do his shopping and go in his house, I can book mine now even though I've not been called. Am waiting for school to break up next week in case I do have any side effects but then I'm going to get jabbed :amazed:


No I live too far away from her :sad:

I heard on the radio this morning that people should book up as soon as they can as vaccinations are getting scarce.

[arista]

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[bots]

pubs etc have the right to refuse to serve anyone already, its not any different from the under 18/21 check. I'm all for it, if it improves peoples confidence and safety going out

[Zizu]

My auntie is booked for her second Pfizer jab on 31st March, will let you know Zizu if she has any side affects, she had none after the first



Thank you


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[Marsh.]

its not any different from the under 18/21 check

It's very different.

[user104658]

How do you GET "proof" :think:. GP's to be inundated with requests for letters? Good luck, people can't get a word with them for basic health needs currently :joker:.

That said... they could probably charge £30 a letter and make a killing.

[Cherie]

How do you GET "proof" :think:. GP's to be inundated with requests for letters? Good luck, people can't get a word with them for basic health needs currently :joker:.

That said... they could probably charge £30 a letter and make a killing.

vaccination passport :worry:

[user104658]

vaccination passport :worry:

I feel like if this was going to be "a thing", they should have handed out little certificates when you get jabbed. It's too late to start now, tens of millions have already been done! Guess they could do it with 2nd doses...

[Nicky91]

always remember, once u had the vaccine, ur stuck with it every year


and don't be too ''smug'' but still be cautious pls, we don't know if the vaccine works against the SA variant, i'm just saying this as friendly advice, i wouldn't want UK to go into third wave if you guys are now too careless


i'm sorry i ever criticized and slagging off the vaccine, it is a good start but now still you need to fight off the SA variant otherwise that one will gain the upper hand


and also the one mostly in my country NL, is the UK variant sorry not sorry, just the plain truth, the original covid strain is very low at the moment, overtaken by that one

but here they want to speed up vaccinations, and also giving more advice than ever to people to take the jab those who are still hesitant

[Cherie]

I feel like if this was going to be "a thing", they should have handed out little certificates when you get jabbed. It's too late to start now, tens of millions have already been done! Guess they could do it with 2nd doses...

That would be easily forged though, there is a suggestion it could form part of the NHS app

My son got a little card when he got his vaccine with a batch number on it, it states to keep it in your wallet or purse.. and bring it back for round 2!

[user104658]

always remember, once u had the vaccine, ur stuck with it every year


and don't be too ''smug'' but still be cautious pls, we don't know if the vaccine works against the SA variant, i'm just saying this as friendly advice, i wouldn't want UK to go into third wave if you guys are now too careless


i'm sorry i ever criticized and slagging off the vaccine, it is a good start but now still you need to fight off the SA variant otherwise that one will gain the upper hand


and also the one mostly in my country NL, is the UK variant sorry not sorry, just the plain truth, the original covid strain is very low at the moment, overtaken by that one

but here they want to speed up vaccinations, and also giving more advice than ever to people to take the jab those who are still hesitant

From what I've read thus far, all indications are that the current vaccines are effective against the SA strain. I think there was a question mark over a Brazilian strain but again nothing thus far to say it isn't effective, just not proven that it is.

[bots]

I feel like if this was going to be "a thing", they should have handed out little certificates when you get jabbed. It's too late to start now, tens of millions have already been done! Guess they could do it with 2nd doses...

they have the data so they can do it retrospectively if they need to. My feeling is that they don't want to do it, but if business demands/needs it to get moving again they will oblige

[arista]

Johnson has updated
what he said yesterday saying
first all need
a Vaccination.
Review on this, next month

But, I think
some Pubs may do
show your Vaccination pass.

[hijaxers]

That would be easily forged though, there is a suggestion it could form part of the NHS app

My son got a little card when he got his vaccine with a batch number on it, it states to keep it in your wallet or purse.. and bring it back for round 2!

Yes i got given one of those i have to take when i get my 2nd. which is already booked.

[Zizu]

Yes i got given one of those i have to take when i get my 2nd. which is already booked.



Ditto


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[Cherie]

55% of adults first jabbed
5.3% both jabs

[user104658]

My son got a little card when he got his vaccine with a batch number on it, it states to keep it in your wallet or purse.. and bring it back for round 2!

Yes i got given one of those i have to take when i get my 2nd.

Ditto

I didn't get any such "little card" :hmph: they recorded everything via tablet and I assume it's all an automated system for getting 2nd appointment sent out etc... y'know cos it's the 21st century... :hehe:

BUT how will I prove that I am a brave boy??

[AnnieK]

I didn't get any such "little card" :hmph: they recorded everything via tablet and I assume it's all an automated system for getting 2nd appointment sent out etc... y'know cos it's the 21st century... :hehe:

BUT how will I prove that I am a brave boy??

Maybe different in Scotland but literally everyone I know who have had it here got a card with the vaccine batch number and date on....:shrug:

[Cherie]

I didn't get any such "little card" :hmph: they recorded everything via tablet and I assume it's all an automated system for getting 2nd appointment sent out etc... y'know cos it's the 21st century... :hehe:

BUT how will I prove that I am a brave boy??

there is no date so he will be called by text, it's just he has a little card he can wave around afterwards :laugh:

[user104658]

there is no date so he will be called by text, it's just he has a little card he can wave around afterwards :laugh:

It's his brave boy card and I didn't get one. Maybe I just wasn't brave enough :bawling:

[Cherie]

It's his brave boy card and I didn't get one. Maybe I just wasn't brave enough :bawling:

did you get a sticker, my 85 year old Aunt got one of those :laugh:

[user104658]

did you get a sticker, my 85 year old Aunt got one of those :laugh:

I got nothing at all! My butt barely touched the seat, got asked a couple of questions, given a leaflet about the vaccine, needle in arm, told to bugger off and that I'd be contacted about 2nd dose :hmph:. She did say "well done" but not that I had been brave, so I guess I'll just never know.

[bots]

i got a card and a rather nifty sticker too

[Zizu]

i got a card and a rather nifty sticker too



I had a very nice , effeminate guy who commented on my piercing blue eyes !!

My wife was very amused...


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[arista]

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[hijaxers]

It's his brave boy card and I didn't get one. Maybe I just wasn't brave enough :bawling:

Aww i got a little sticker saying ' I've had my covid vaccination ' like the kids get from doc :laugh: stuck it on my phone cos they stuck it to my hand and i didn't want to be a litterbug.

[LaLaLand]

We’re moving from Level 4 to Level 3 here in Wales from Saturday with tourism opening up (self contained accommodation like caravans or hotels with en-suite and room service) just for people living in Wales.

Also the 5 mile rule is dropped and we can go anywhere within Wales.

Feels amazing, finally. Just to be able to go somewhere different even if for an hour or so.

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1375090365254934531

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1375189578651426818

[Cherie]

New data suggests strong protection for 99% after one vaccine dose

A single dose of the Pfizer gave strong protection to 99% people in a new study, it has been revealed.

The figure applies to 237 health workers who formed part of research carried out by Sheffield and Oxford Universities.

Results of the PITCH study have been presented as a vindication of the policy to delay second doses so as to provide protection to as many higher-risk groups as possible by providing more first jabs.

The research also concluded that people who had previously been infected with COVID-19 infections had six times the immune response to one dose of the Pfizer jab than those who had not had the virus.

Health Minister Lord Bethell said: "These findings from the PITCH study are crucial to increasing our understanding of the immune response to COVID-19 and how the Pfizer vaccine is working to protect people across the UK already."


Sky News

[Zizu]

What’s the deal with over 70’s ( so far ) being given a third Covid 19 jab in September- to boost their immunity !?!?

After just 6 or 7 months they need boosting ?

Where does that leave the rest of us under 70s ??

I thought the first jab gave around 70%+ and more or less ensure you won’t die or need ventilation then the second jab pushed up the % to 85 or 90% - until next year ??

I’m confused ..



Edit

Sky News discussing this now ..

The suggestion is that the government are expecting/preparing for a THIRD wave in September ..

France currently getting 42,000 new cases per day , Germany 22,000 .


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Beso]

I dont need the vaccine..

[Vanessa]

What’s the deal with over 70’s ( so far ) being given a third Covid 19 jab in September- to boost their immunity !?!?

After just 6 or 7 months they need boosting ?

Where does that leave the rest of us under 70s ??

I thought the first jab gave around 70%+ and more or less ensure you won’t die or need ventilation then the second jab pushed up the % to 85 or 90% - until next year ??

I’m confused ..



Edit

Sky News discussing this now ..

The suggestion is that the government are expecting/preparing for a THIRD wave in September ..

France currently getting 42,000 new cases per day , Germany 22,000 .


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I think it's better to be prepared.
If they offered me a booster jab i'd take it.
Don't want to get sick.

[Kate!]

I think it's better to be prepared.
If they offered me a booster jab i'd take it.
Don't want to get sick.

Same

[bots]

the booster will be available from September, which is surely a good thing, no?

It means that if there are any new strains that the current vaccine is not giving good protection, then it boosts the protection.

This is a good thing

[arista]

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[Cherie]

The UK government is planning to offer 3.7 million Covid jabs to the Republic, in part to help lift the lockdown in Northern Ireland, which could raise tensions with the European Union.

It would be the first time the UK has exported vaccines to the EU, but the plan was described by a British cabinet minister as a “poke in the eye for Brussels” because it could disrupt EU unity.

Sunday Times

[Nicky91]

The UK government is planning to offer 3.7 million Covid jabs to the Republic, in part to help lift the lockdown in Northern Ireland, which could raise tensions with the European Union.

It would be the first time the UK has exported vaccines to the EU, but the plan was described by a British cabinet minister as a “poke in the eye for Brussels” because it could disrupt EU unity.

Sunday Times

Republic doesn't need that many jabs, and UK should first take care of its own, since not all british people have been vaccinated yet, so Boris bad move this, be more selfish and take care of all of your own public first