Light at the end of the tunnel - Covid [vaccine news]

[Cherie]

Pfizer say vaccine is 90% effective

:love:


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-114848020.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly91ay5zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29t L3NlYXJjaD9mcj1tY2FmZWUmdHlwZT1FMjEwR0I3MTRHMCZwPX BmaXplcitzYXkrdmFjY2luZStpcys5MCUyNStlZmZlY3

[James]

Published 6 minutes ago

The first coronavirus vaccine can prevent more than 90% of people from getting Covid-19, a preliminary analysis shows.

The developers - Pfizer and BioNTech - described it as a "great day for science and humanity".

Their vaccine has been tested on 43,500 people in six countries and no safety concerns have been raised.

The companies plan to apply for emergency approval to use the vaccine by the end of the month.

There are around a dozen vaccines that have reached the final stages of testing, but this is the first to show any results.

It uses a completely experimental approach - that involves injecting part of the virus's genetic code - in order to train the immune system.

Two doses are needed, three weeks apart, and the pharmaceutical companies say people are protected a week after the second dose.

It has been trialled in the US, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, South Africa and Turkey.

Pfizer believes it will be able to supply 50 million doses by the end of this year and around 1.3 billion by the end of 2021.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54873105

[Kate!]

Great news Cherie.

[Smithy]

I wonder how long it would take to distribute on such a scale that’s it effective for the population, there’s probably an article somewhere but does anybody know?

[Cherie]

Just listened to an interview with Jeremy Farrer who is on SAGE who says by Easter next year, we could be back to near normal :flutter:

:fc:

[Cherie]

I wonder how long it would take to distribute on such a scale that’s it effective for the population, there’s probably an article somewhere but does anybody know?

as per my post above it is suggested all over 50s could be vaccinated by Easter if they want it of course

it will also be made available abroad as it has to be a worldwide programme to be effective

[bots]

it really depends if it provides long term protection

[Niamh.]

Just listened to an interview with Jeremy Farrer who is on SAGE who says by Easter next year, we could be back to near normal :flutter:

:fc:

I hope so, even that seems like forever away but an end date is more than welcomed too

[user104658]

The big question mark now of course is how long antibodies ask, and if that's short, does the T-cell response mean it's still effective (covid with us forever but not more worrying than any other mild illness).

But it's impossible to know that for a year+ really. E.g. flu strain immunity often lasts 2 or 3 years in healthy people (which is why you don't get flu every single year).

[Mystic Mock]

Great news.

[bots]

The big question mark now of course is how long antibodies ask, and if that's short, does the T-cell response mean it's still effective (covid with us forever but not more worrying than any other mild illness).

But it's impossible to know that for a year+ really. E.g. flu strain immunity often lasts 2 or 3 years in healthy people (which is why you don't get flu every single year).

Did you know that the flu vaccine is much more effective if you have had plenty sleep before you get it? Anti body production is much higher if rested .... crazy little facts

[arista]

Around 15million
in the UK to get this new Vaccine before the end of December

Hospital Staff and those weaker folks
to get it, first.

[Samm]

I wonder how long it would take to distribute on such a scale that’s it effective for the population, there’s probably an article somewhere but does anybody know?

Thought this too. However I’m guessing if enough people are vaccinated herd immunity will do the rest of the work?

[Kazanne]

Pfizer say vaccine is 90% effective

:love:


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-114848020.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly91ay5zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29t L3NlYXJjaD9mcj1tY2FmZWUmdHlwZT1FMjEwR0I3MTRHMCZwPX BmaXplcitzYXkrdmFjY2luZStpcys5MCUyNStlZmZlY3

Yes, just seen this ,fingers crossed :wavey:

[arista]

I wonder how long it would take to distribute on such a scale that’s it effective for the population, there’s probably an article somewhere but does anybody know?


The Army
in Liverpool are a good example of
fast Panel made zone.

All that are permitted will get a tag
posted to them.
And must have ID a passport , Driving Lic., etc.

[The Slim Reaper]

fast panel made zone

[user104658]

Did you know that the flu vaccine is much more effective if you have had plenty sleep before you get it? Anti body production is much higher if rested .... crazy little facts

My daughter got the flu vax for the first time in years this year and promptly got sick (minor sniffles and sneezing) 2 days later :fist:.

[Smithy]

Thought this too. However I’m guessing if enough people are vaccinated herd immunity will do the rest of the work?

Yeah, that’s what I meant you still have to give it a large % of the population for herd immunity so I wonder how long that’d take

[rusticgal]

Yes...its great news Cherie.

[Ammi]

Yeah, that’s what I meant you still have to give it a large % of the population for herd immunity so I wonder how long that’d take

...I was chatting to someone last week who’s working on the vaccine...and the indication given was that it’ll start to be being used before Christmas with a completion of Spring next year...I presume that all means ‘hopefully’...that’s the thought atm....

[rusticgal]

My daughter got the flu vax for the first time in years this year and promptly got sick (minor sniffles and sneezing) 2 days later :fist:.


I have heard many similar stories which is why I havent had it..

[Cherie]

My daughter got the flu vax for the first time in years this year and promptly got sick (minor sniffles and sneezing) 2 days later :fist:.

My younger son got it as well, they kept asking was he allergic to eggs he said :laugh:

wont lie I was worried he would have a reaction but nowt

[Crimson Dynamo]

Pfizer say vaccine is 90% effective

:love:


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-114848020.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly91ay5zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29t L3NlYXJjaD9mcj1tY2FmZWUmdHlwZT1FMjEwR0I3MTRHMCZwPX BmaXplcitzYXkrdmFjY2luZStpcys5MCUyNStlZmZlY3

DM headline

New Vaccine NOT 100% EFFECTIVE

1 in 10 MAY DIE

[Cherie]

DM headline

New Vaccine NOT 100% EFFECTIVE

1 in 10 MAY DIE

pretty much!

[joeysteele]

Any light is welcome news.

Here's hoping certainly.

[arista]

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[Tom4784]

It feels like news of a vaccine pops up every few weeks and then it leads nowhere. Weren't Oxford supposedly close to a vaccine earlier in the year?

[arista]

It feels like news of a vaccine pops up every few weeks and then it leads nowhere. Weren't Oxford supposedly close to a vaccine earlier in the year?



No this one in two weeks
gives all the possible side effects


And is paid for.

[Cherie]

No this one in two weeks
gives all the possible side effects


And is paid for.

Jeremy Farrar was on 5 Live earlier, this one is ready to pop

[bots]

there will be a few other vaccines appearing shortly ... there is 2 or 3 weeks between them in getting to th same stage. The government put in orders for all the major ones so we can get off to a flying start

[arista]

Its a 2 Part Vaccine
3 weeks later part 2.

Also it has to be kept very Cold
lower than a normal fridge.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmZDRKMWMAEz2fQ?format=jpg&name=small

[Cherie]

Its a 2 Part Vaccine
2 weeks later part 2.

Also it has to be kept very Cold
lower than a normal fridge.

Bit like Hep B then, thats a two parter and a blood test to make sure its worked..

[arista]

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[arista]

Many Pharmacists
have stated they do not have the right fridge
to keep this Vaccine cold enough.

It is infact, 3 weeks between injection 1
and injection 2.



Ref: NewsnightHD BBC2

[user104658]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/6F75/production/_115333582_daily-telegraph-nc.pngGood ol' priority 11 :flutter:

[user104658]

Many Pharmacists
have stated they do not have the right fridge
to keep this Vaccine cold enough.


Yes there will be storage errors en masse and a tonne of dud vaccines administered.

[Vanessa]

This is such a happy day.
Really exciting news.

[Cherie]

time to take out shares in manufacturers who can provide these fridges :pipe:

[user104658]

time to take out shares in manufacturers who can provide these fridges random small manufacturers who cannot provide the fridges but are pals with Boris. :pipe:

Fixed

[Ammi]

...this could secure your ML win into a landslide, most ever in the history of votes victory, TS...

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[Ammi]

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...unification and vaccination complete...:lovedup:..

[arista]

Yes there will be storage errors en masse and a tonne of dud vaccines administered.

But they will not be able to get the Vaccine
until they buy the more Cold Special Fridges.
(from China)

[Nicky91]

Netherlands have ordered 10 million doses of this vaccine

[Cherie]

But they will not be able to get the Vaccine
until they buy the more Cold Special Fridges.
(from China)

:idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Parmy straight in at Number 1


:flutter:

[arista]

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[user104658]

But they will not be able to get the Vaccine
until they buy the more Cold Special Fridges.
(from China)

They could have all the Cold Special Fridges in the world, if the vaccine is being stored in local pharmacies they will **** up the storage and wreck it because like 75% of local pharmacies are utterly incompetent. The big chains are the worst.

It would be much more sensible to get a fleet of appropriately refrigerated trucks and distribute the vaccine from central locations that way.

I guarantee if they start sending it out like the Flu vaccine (in small local batches) we'll see a tonne of them mishandled and ruined.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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he is a hand wringing liberal fop

no thanks

[Crimson Dynamo]

They could have all the Cold Special Fridges in the world, if the vaccine is being stored in local pharmacies they will **** up the storage and wreck it because like 75% of local pharmacies are utterly incompetent. The big chains are the worst.

It would be much more sensible to get a fleet of appropriately refrigerated trucks and distribute the vaccine from central locations that way.

I guarantee if they start sending it out like the Flu vaccine (in small local batches) we'll see a tonne of them mishandled and ruined.

they could keep some in my office as its baltic in here

[arista]

he is a hand wringing liberal fop

no thanks


Yes a Remoaner

[arista]

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[arista]

[PR firm handed £670,000 contract
by head of Government's Vaccine
Taskforce Kate Bingham
'is linked to Dominic Cummings' father-in-law']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8933939/Vaccine-PR-firm-linked-Dominic-Cummings-father-law.html

[arista]

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[Vanessa]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/10/10/35492820-8932615-image-a-8_1605002661700.jpg

This is amazing. Such a breakthrough!

[Nicky91]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/10/10/35492820-8932615-image-a-8_1605002661700.jpg

:suspect:

too good to be true i think

[Vanessa]

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:suspect:

too good to be true i think
It works. We just don't know for how long your protected.
If it lasts a year then it's ok.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[GoldHeart]

Still got a long way to go , but definitely a breakthrough .

[Cherie]

Did anyone see the guy from Pfizer on the news saying the UK needed to licence quickly and not drag their feet or the vaccine would go elsewhere...I didn’t like his bullying tone :suspect:

[bots]

it will be licensed when it passes the safety tests here and not a moment before. We have our own vaccine that will appear very soon, thats probably what they are pissed about

[Mystic Mock]

It works. We just don't know for how long your protected.
If it lasts a year then it's ok.

I agree as we just need to stop Covid being mainstream.

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1326515159515492359

agreement from EU with BioNTech-Pfizer for 200 million doses, and a request for an additional 100 million doses

[arista]

Live on GMBHD itv
8:28AM
A man named Glenn in Texas USA,
on both occasions of taking the Vaccine we are getting
he had a Hang Over for 2 days, after the injection
but it has anti bodies that stop Covid-19 entering you.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Live on GMBHD itv
8:28AM
A man named Glenn in Texas USA,
on both occasions of taking the Vaccine we are getting
he had a Hang Over for 2 days, after the injection
but it has anti bodies that stop Covid-19 entering you.

I have a hangover every in December so my body remans unbothered

[bots]

from what I heard, its quite a painful injection and the site remains sore for a couple of days

[Crimson Dynamo]

from what I heard, its quite a painful injection and the site remains sore for a couple of days

In the muscle

[arista]

from what I heard, its quite a painful injection and the site remains sore for a couple of days


But its worth having
as it stops Covid-19.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Ammi]

6,000 UK participants sought for Covid-19 final-stage vaccine trial...


The UK will be the first country to run final-stage trials of a coronavirus vaccine being developed by a company owned by Johnson and Johnson.

The phase-three trial of the vaccine from pharmaceutical company Janssen starts on Monday and will be the first of its two-dose study.

The jab has already undergone phase one and two trials, and interim analysis of the single-dose study suggests the Covid-19 vaccine candidate induces a robust immune response and is generally well-tolerated.

For the two-dose study, researchers are aiming to recruit around 6,000 UK participants – from a total of 30,000 people globally – at 17 sites across the country.

These include Southampton, Bristol, Cardiff, London, Leicester, Sheffield, Manchester, Dundee and Belfast.

Recruitment into the study will complete in March 2021 and the trial will last for 12 months.

...full article...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/6-000-uk-participants-sought-000100857.html

[user104658]

Headline 1) Safety fears mean too many people will refuse the vaccine

Headline 2) Government admits there won't be enough of the vaccine even for those who do want to take it.


... ... does point 2 not make point 1 somewhat irrelevant for the time being?

[arista]

Johnson
never bought any of this other Vaccine Moderna
in USA.
A better result 95% works
and no fridge needed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/16/moderna-covid-vaccine-candidate-almost-95-effective-trials-show

BBC2HD Politics Live

[GiRTh]

Johnson
never bought any of this other Vaccine Moderna
in USA.
A better result 95% works
and no fridge needed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/16/moderna-covid-vaccine-candidate-almost-95-effective-trials-show

BBC2HD Politics Live
95% is impressive.

[bots]

i think the % will drop significantly as it rolls out, the data set is much to small to get a proper feel for it's effectiveness

[arista]

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[Gstar]

^^ wtf :laugh:

[smudgie]

Looking likely that we can have a family Christmas.
3 days, 3 households up to 10 people.
Now that makes sense after the year everyone has had.

[user104658]

Looking likely that we can have a family Christmas.
3 days, 3 households up to 10 people.
Now that makes sense after the year everyone has had.

I think it will increase rates unfortunately but I actually think it's a good move on balance. The mental health/self harm implications or a locked down Christmas would be massive. It's a hard time of year for many under the best of circumstances.

[smudgie]

I think it will increase rates unfortunately but I actually think it's a good move on balance. The mental health/self harm implications or a locked down Christmas would be massive. It's a hard time of year for many under the best of circumstances.

Totally agree TS.
Looks like we will be going back into a tier system that will be tighter than before, so new of a family xmas will keep us going.

[bots]

it's down to individuals priorities as it always has been. People will and have been ignoring restrictions as they please so why would Christmas be any different. The government cant do anything if people want to mix in their own homes and they never could

With thanksgiving fast approaching in the USA, we should get a clear indication of what family mixing does to infection rates there, i don't think it's going to be pretty.

[arista]

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[user104658]

You know for a real "Covid silver lining", it's likely that the time and money that has gone into finding vaccines and treatments for Covid will have massively accelerated virus research in general, with stuff that was potentially 5-10+ years away under normal circumstances and funding seeing breakthroughs. In the long run, that will save many lives.

[Cherie]

some positive noises coming from Oxford this morning

[Vanessa]

some positive noises coming from Oxford this morning

Hopefully we get that one.

[Cherie]

The Oxford vaccine has been developed in a different way using methods that have been previously proven as safe apparently, it will also be much cheaper than the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines at 2.00 per vaccine rather than 30.00

Ross Lydall
Thu, 19 November 2020, 8:47 am GMT·8-min read
<p>Boost: The UK has ordered 100 million doses of the Oxford vaccine</p> (PA)
Boost: The UK has ordered 100 million doses of the Oxford vaccine

(PA)
The Covid vaccine being made by Oxford university is safe and works well in older adults most likely to become seriously ill or die from the virus, its creators revealed today.

In another major boost for hopes of bringing the pandemic to heel, they said the preliminary results for the UK’s main vaccine hope were “encouraging”.

The Government has ordered 100 million doses of the Oxford jab – the biggest proportion of the 355 million doses of a portfolio of vaccines it has bought.

The phase 2 results, which focus on safety and were published this morning in The Lancet medical journal, gave data on 560 healthy adults, including 240 over the age of 70.

The crucial phase 3 results, which will reveal the vaccine’s effectiveness in tens of thousands of volunteers across several countries including the UK, are due to be published in a few weeks.

The phase 3 results will also reveal how well the vaccine works in people with underlying health conditions – those most at risk from Covid.

Phase 3 results have already been published by rival vaccine makers Pfizer/BioNtech and Moderna, both of which showed around 95 per cent effectiveness.

Today’s results from the Oxford group, which is creating the vaccine with UK-based drugs firm AstraZeneca, showed the drug was better tolerated in older people but produced a similar immune response in both young and old trial participants.

The study compared the effect on people aged 56 and older with those aged 18-55. It found there were “few side effects” and that a T-cell immune response was sparked within 14 days of the first jab, both at low and standard doses.

This means the body’s immune system could find and attack cells infected with Covid.

A subsequent booster jab kick-started an antibody response within 28 days, enabling the virus to be attacked when circulating in the blood or lymphatic system.

The Oxford vaccine has a major advantage over the Pfizer/BioNTech drug in that it does not have to be stored at around -70C prior up to a few days before being administered.

[bots]

The Oxford vaccine didnt have the headache and fatigue side effect that the others have

[Strictly Jake]

Its so strange that they are in a position to choose WHICH vaccine to have! Thats crazy. I didnt think there would be any sign of a vaccine until at least the end of next year!

[user104658]

Its so strange that they are in a position to choose WHICH vaccine to have! Thats crazy. I didnt think there would be any sign of a vaccine until at least the end of next year!Under normal circumstances there wouldn't be for several years, but the money funnelled into development (and, frankly the potential sales) of Covid vaccines has put the whole process into overdrive. Plus, of course, a shortened safety testing process. That's the downside.

[bots]

the vaccines will sort themselves out by natural selection. Some will be better for old folks, some will be cheaper for struggling economies etc etc

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[arista]

Also posted on the TV thread.


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[Beso]

I've lasted this long without catching corona so I wont be in a rush to get the jag.

[arista]

The UK Oxford Vaccine is £2 a dose

[Beso]

The UK Oxford Vaccine is £2 a dose

Its consists of corona spikes and monkey flu virus..

No thank you!!!

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[Cherie]

How the Oxford COVID-19 vaccine works
The ChAdOx1 vaccine is a chimpanzee adenovirus vaccine vector. This is a harmless, weakened adenovirus that usually causes the common cold in chimpanzees. ChAdOx1 was chosen as the most suitable vaccine technology for a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine as it has been shown to generate a strong immune response from one dose in other vaccines. It has been genetically changed so that it is impossible for it to grow in humans. This also makes it safer to give to children, the elderly and anyone with a pre-existing condition such as diabetes. Chimpanzee adenoviral vectors are a very well-studied vaccine type, having been used safely in thousands of subjects.

Coronaviruses have club-shaped spikes on their outer coats, which form a corona – Latin for crown – on the virus surface. Immune responses from other coronavirus studies suggest that these spikes are a good target for a vaccine.


https://www.research.ox.ac.uk/Article/2020-07-19-the-oxford-covid-19-vaccine

[user104658]

What a ChAd.

[Denver]

The UK is expected to be the first country to to approve the vacinne and could get it as early as next week with NHS Staff and Over 65s the highest priority

[Beso]

I hope south london recieve the first doses..I've had a few cancellations lately for the first time since march..

[Beso]

The UK is expected to be the first country to to approve the vacinne and could get it as early as next week with NHS Staff and Over 65s the highest priority

Whoa whoa whoa..


Who makes this???? Oxford, london medical speciality unis...sorry to bore you about the tvs, but I've been to oxford but never in the college.. but I know..these places have a large number of young foreign students of the Chinese variety in London.. kids of older more trained people.


And the Russians and Chinese buying up all the london property.

I reckon we are ****ed tbh.

[Cherie]

Whoa whoa whoa..


Who makes this???? Oxford, london medical speciality unis...sorry to bore you about the tvs, but I've been to oxford but never in the college.. but I know..these places have a large number of young foreign students of the Chinese variety in London.. kids of older more trained people.


And the Russians and Chinese buying up all the london property.

I reckon we are ****ed tbh.

Adrian Hill who is one of the scientists involved is well renowned, I would be happy enough with this vaccine

[Cherie]

The UK is expected to be the first country to to approve the vacinne and could get it as early as next week with NHS Staff and Over 65s the highest priority

Care homes and Health staff will be first and they need two doses a month apart, we are looking at March by the time all the over 65s who want it get it

[bots]

it also is developed by Astra Zenica, one of the most trusted pharms. If you want to start discounting their products, you better stop taking any paracetamol or ibuprofen too

Also, to get to general supply, they have to go through an approval process and have all sorts of data to back it up.

No one is being forced to get the vaccine, it's your own choice. If you don't trust it, don't get the injection

[arista]

[AstraZeneca to run extra trial of vaccine developed
with Oxford University
It follows the discovery that the jab
performed best when half a dose was given,
followed by a full one.]
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-astrazeneca-to-run-extra-trial-of-vaccine-developed-with-oxford-university-12143150

[arista]

[Hospitals in England
told to prepare for Covid vaccine rollout in 10 days' time]


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/27/hospitals-england-told-prepare-early-december-covid-vaccine-rollout-nhs

[arista]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55115037


Covid: Nadhim Zahawi appointed as vaccine rollout minister

[bots]

The UK is the first country to approve the Pfizer vaccine, it can now be rolled out to the public!!

[AnnieK]

The UK is the first country to approve the Pfizer vaccine, it can now be rolled out to the public!!

Fantastic. How many doses of this one do we have?

[Ammi]

...do we have the cold storage needed, is this the one that needs the minus 70 degree storaging...?....

[bots]

...do we have the cold storage needed, is this the one that needs the minus 70 degree storaging...?....

it's being distributed to hospitals who do have the fridges, also health care workers are getting it first so it makes sense at this point. The first vaccinations will happen next week!

[Ammi]

it's being distributed to hospitals who do have the fridges, also health care workers are getting it first so it makes sense at this point. The first vaccinations will happen next week!

...it’s impossible to imagine how those people will be feeling atm...such a mixture of emotions, I would imagine...

[Cherie]

Fantastic. How many doses of this one do we have?

40 million on order, 10 million in hand

[arista]

It has to come from Belgium Pfizer/BioNTech Plant.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-approves-use-of-pfizers-coronavirus-vaccine-12148786

And be kept Colder than a fridge in transit.

[Vanessa]

Yes! Some amazing news this morning! :cheer2:

[LaLaLand]

Honestly I could cry hearing this news.

As someone with a lot of “elderly” family, this is just fantastic.

[Cherie]

It's not the long ago that the Press were reporting that Matty Hanny was the only one who thought a vaccine was possible

some of them should be prosecuted for their reportage of the pandemic

[Cherie]

Honestly I could cry hearing this news.

As someone with a lot of “elderly” family, this is just fantastic.

I believe they are sorting out testing for relatives as well so they can visit elderly relatives in the meantime, the fast lateral flow ones?

[LaLaLand]

I believe they are sorting out testing for relatives as well so they can visit elderly relatives in the meantime, the fast lateral flow ones?

God I hope so. It’s been a long, long year and to be able to just visit some relatives before the year is out would mean the world.

[Cherie]

It has to come from Belgium Pfizer/BioNTech Plant.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-approves-use-of-pfizers-coronavirus-vaccine-12148786

And be kept Colder than a fridge in transit.

yes although in better news it is then viable in a normal fridge for up to 5 days so this gives some leeway

[arista]

Live on both News Channels
Dr. June Raine
with 2 Professors

10 Downing St.

[Vanessa]

God I hope so. It’s been a long, long year and to be able to just visit some relatives before the year is out would mean the world.

Yes. I've missed my family so much.
To be able to hug then again :bawling:

[Cherie]

Yes. I've missed my family so much.
To be able to hug then again :bawling:

Yip its been tough, not seen any family in Ireland since September 2019

[Vanessa]

Yip its been tough, not seen any family in Ireland since September 2019

Same. Last time I saw them was June last year :(

[arista]

The Labour Leader
claims the Vaccine will not be able
to get to the Care homes.
Because of the Cold Temperature it needs. (From PMQ's)

[Vanessa]

The Labour Leader
claims the Vaccine will not be able
to get to the Care homes.
Because of the Cold Temperature it needs. (From PMQ's)

It can be stored in normal fridges for 5 days.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/02/13/36355052-9008767-image-a-33_1606916029252.jpg
[A lorry leaves Pfizer's manufacturing plant in Puurs, Belgium,
this morning after the American firm's Covid-19 vaccine
was approved in the UK.
It's not clear if the lorry pictured was transporting the jabs]


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/02/12/36352772-9008767-image-a-15_1606912191228.jpg


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/02/12/36351816-9008767-image-a-13_1606910573084.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9008767/Coronavirus-vaccine-Pfizer-BioNTech-approved-regulators-use-UK-an.html

[user104658]

A strapping 35 year old buck is going to be last on the list eh :joker:. Oh well. Maybe I'll get mine in time for the ML2022 win? It's going to be a total wash-out if I die of Covid before then.

Can I get it awarded posthumously if the worst happens? :worry:

[Kizzy]

A strapping 35 year old buck is going to be last on the list eh :joker:. Oh well. Maybe I'll get mine in time for the ML2022 win? It's going to be a total wash-out if I die of Covid before then.

Can I get it awarded posthumously if the worst happens? :worry:

Don't worry, remember your stats.. you're 0.0000000000001% likely to get it don't worry ;)

[bots]

i'm quite happy that there are a few groups in front of me on the list. Gives me a chance to evaluate it

[GoldHeart]

Can't help but worry how Brexit will affect all this :facepalm: .

[user104658]

Can't help but worry how Brexit will affect all this :facepalm: .

Supposedly, it makes it simpler because the UK doesn't need EU approval for vaccines and medications, which takes time.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Babayaro.]

I'm #2 on the list!

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoRmmtLW4AIKT4Q?format=jpg&name=medium

[arista]

Yesterdays London Free Paper


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoQe2zOXMAUlIFG?format=jpg&name=medium

[Ammi]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/1448F/production/_115778038_mirrorfront0312-nc.png

....remember that time when we used to have the Coca Cola Christmas lorry and we could all be excited.../...2020 being edgy with the COVID vaccine Christmas lorry...

[Strictly Jake]

....remember that time when we used to have the Coca Cola Christmas lorry and we could all be excited.../...2020 being edgy with the COVID vaccine Christmas lorry...

:joker::joker:

[Vanessa]

The vaccine is on its way
It's finally happening! :amazed:

[user104658]

....remember that time when we used to have the Coca Cola Christmas lorry and we could all be excited.../...2020 being edgy with the COVID vaccine Christmas lorry... "Antibodies comin', antibodies comin', antibodies' comin', aaalways covid-colaaa HOLIDAY INJECTIONS IS WHAT WE BRING, 'Tiiiis the season it's always the vaccineeeeeee.... antibodies comin' aaalways covid-colaaa"



On a more serious note the reporting on this is an embarrassment.

[Ammi]

"Antibodies comin', antibodies comin', antibodies' comin', aaalways covid-colaaa HOLIDAY INJECTIONS IS WHAT WE BRING, 'Tiiiis the season it's always the vaccineeeeeee.... antibodies comin' aaalways covid-colaaa"



On a more serious note the reporting on this is an embarrassment.

..these lyrics, oh my...:lovedup:...ML2022 win has just been confirmed...

[Ammi]

...just so that we can announce it in 2022 without delay...we’ll start the recount and enquiry and Supreme Court hearings etc now...and then it’ll be a clear path to your rightful place...

[user104658]

...just so that we can announce it in 2022 without delay...we’ll start the recount and enquiry and Supreme Court hearings etc now...and then it’ll be a clear path to your rightful place...

I'm considering asking for a recount of ML2020 to be honest - with all votes from colluding Discord groups to be declared FRAUD and VOID. It's with the Supreme Court (Niamh) currently.

[arista]

1333831601193672705

[Niamh.]

Supposedly, it makes it simpler because the UK doesn't need EU approval for vaccines and medications, which takes time.

I'd rather wait for EU approval personally

[Cherie]

I'd rather wait for EU approval personally

Is there an overarching body or does each of the 27 have to approve individually so it can move forward? It’s coming from Belgium!

[Smithy]

Supposedly, it makes it simpler because the UK doesn't need EU approval for vaccines and medications, which takes time.

That’s not true at all

https://twitter.com/factcheck/status/1334197432184352772?s=21

[Niamh.]

Is there an overarching body or does each of the 27 have to approve individually so it can move forward? It’s coming from Belgium!

The European Medicines Agency (EMA) is the one reviewing it for approval

[Cherie]

The European Medicines Agency (EMA) is the one reviewing it for approval

Aw right tbh I cant see anything other than approval down the track unless our elders grow horns and a tail :laugh:

[Ammi]

...These may have already been posted but the 53 hospitals to be the first to receive the vaccine next week...

Blackpool Teaching Hospitals

Brighton and Sussex University Hospitals

Cambridge University Hospitals

Chesterfield Royal Hospital

Countess of Chester Hospital

Croydon University Hospital

Dartford and Gravesham Hospitals

Dorset County Hospitals

East and North Hertfordshire Hospitals

East Kent Hospitals

East Suffolk and North Essex Hospitals

Frimley Health NHS Foundation Trust

Gloucestershire Hospitals

Great Western Hospitals

Guys & St Thomas NHS Trust

James Paget University Hospitals

Kings College Hospital

Princess Royal University Hospital, Kings

Lancashire Teaching Hospital

Leeds Teaching Hospital

Leicester Partnership NHS Trust

Liverpool University Hospitals

Medway NHS Foundation Trust

Mid and South Essex Hospitals

Milton Keynes University Hospital

Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital

Northampton General Hospital

North Bristol NHS Foundation Trust

North West Anglia Foundation Trust

Nottingham University Hospitals

Oxford Health NHS Foundation Trust

Portsmouth Hospital University

Royal Cornwall Hospitals

Royal Free London NHS Foundation Trust

Salford Royal NHS Foundation Trust

Sheffield Teaching Hospitals

Sherwood Forest Hospitals

Shrewsbury and Telford NHS Trust

Stockport NHS Foundation Trust

St George's University Hospitals

The Newcastle Upon Type Hospitals

University College Hospitals

University Hospitals Birmingham

University Hospitals Coventry and Warwickshire

University Hospitals Derby Burton

University Hospitals of North Midlands

University Hospitals Plymouth

United Lincolnshire Hospitals

Walsall Healthcare

West Hertfordshire Hospitals

Wirral University Teaching Hospital

Worcestershire Acute Hospitals

Yeovil District Hospital

[arista]

Ch5HDnews /Ch4HDnews reports that Care Homes
will be not be
the first to get the Vaccine

[arista]

Meanwhile, Scotland has said
they will get the Vaccine to their Care Homes.


Ch4HDnews.

[Kizzy]

Ch5HDnews /Ch4HDnews reports that Care Homes
will be not be
the first to get the Vaccine

Logistics? If the over 80s can get to where they need to be for the vaccine why can't care home residents?

[Cherie]

Meanwhile, Scotland has said
they will get the Vaccine to their Care Homes.


Ch4HDnews.

THE regulator in Scotland has riuled the batches which are in batches of 1,000 can be broken down, regulator in England yet to rule

[Cherie]

Logistics? If the over 80s can get to where they need to be for the vaccine why can't care home residents?

Care home residents haven’t gone out? Not every 80 year old is equal, my 85 year old aunt lives on her own and cares for herself, she wouldn’t be comparable to someone in a care home who needs looking after, they need the vaccine delivered to them, they won’t be brought out for it

[Kizzy]

Care home residents haven’t gone out? Not every 80 year old is equal, my 85 year old aunt lives on her own and cares for herself, she wouldn’t be comparable to someone in a care home who needs looking after, they need the vaccine delivered to them, they won’t be brought out for it

My mum's 88 isn't in a care home but also hasn't been out since last April, I don't see the issue in taking vaccines to them if needs be. We seem to have gone to all this trouble of rushing through a vaccine and now we have it there's an issue.
Surely as soon as they started formulating a vaccine there were people working on contingency planning for distribution at a national, regional or local level...
No wonder people think the govt make things up as they go along, it seems there's just no forward planning on anything :/

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/BD87/production/_115791584_guardianfront0412-nc.png

[Cherie]

My mum's 88 isn't in a care home but also hasn't been out since last April, I don't see the issue in taking vaccines to them if needs be. We seem to have gone to all this trouble of rushing through a vaccine and now we have it there's an issue.
Surely as soon as they started formulating a vaccine there were people working on contingency planning for distribution at a national, regional or local level...
No wonder people think the govt make things up as they go along, it seems there's just no forward planning on anything :/

You Mum can still look after herself, if someone is in a care hime they have lost the ability to do that and are much more vulnerable

It’s down to the logistics the vaccine is packed in batches of 1,000 vials so has to be broken down to be taken into care homes, I am sure it will be sorted out, they couldn’t have forseen that it would have to be transported at minus 70 months ago :/ ..

Oh and now I see the lead in the Guardian, so care home are getting it and care givers first

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/DailyMailCeleb/status/1334779488081743873

Black Panther's Letitia Wright is SLAMMED by Marvel co-star Don Cheadle for posting COVID anti-vax video online


yeah silly woman

[arista]

Yesterdsays Sun Paper


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoTQqkNWEAIqphM?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoZKP4EU0AEOYN7?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoZKP4EVgAEDlSd?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

800,000 is the limit of our first order.

No more until the Production is sorted.
Pfizer-Biontech have told SkyNewsHD.


All Out Politics 11AM.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoY_ir2XEAIKWGp?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

The Russian Vaccine
was meant to be injected in Putin.
But he has not done so.

Their Vaccine was adapted from a Flu Vaccine.

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/M8DCWgkUkgRZ6jEFZ4XfxA/https/media.fyre.co/EEtiXw1rQJOyjEm05sVF_MOS.JPG

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Kizzy]

You Mum can still look after herself, if someone is in a care hime they have lost the ability to do that and are much more vulnerable

It’s down to the logistics the vaccine is packed in batches of 1,000 vials so has to be broken down to be taken into care homes, I am sure it will be sorted out, they couldn’t have forseen that it would have to be transported at minus 70 months ago :/ ..

Oh and now I see the lead in the Guardian, so care home are getting it and care givers first

I don't know about more vulnerable, she may live independently but she has a heart condition and diabetes at 88 how much more vulnerable can you be?

My point was there must have been a plan of action to either take the residents to a facility for their inoculation or take it to them when devising the roll out strategy?
I know going out anywhere is a risk but at the moment being in any care home is high risk too.

We have created a world of problems for ourselves transporting the vaccine from the EU I see, it's now a military operation as the ports are overwhelmed due to Brexit.

This is Karmic retribution, what happens when you sever ties with your closest neighbour and ally? You put the nation ato risk in an international crisis.

[Cherie]

I don't know about more vulnerable, she may live independently but she has a heart condition and diabetes at 88 how much more vulnerable can you be?

My point was there must have been a plan of action to either take the residents to a facility for their inoculation or take it to them when devising the roll out strategy?
I know going out anywhere is a risk but at the moment being in any care home is high risk too.

We have created a world of problems for ourselves transporting the vaccine from the EU I see, it's now a military operation as the ports are overwhelmed due to Brexit.

This is Karmic retribution, what happens when you sever ties with your closest neighbour and ally? You put the nation ato risk in an international crisis.


The issue has been sorted now as the regulator has ruled the batches can be broken down and taken into care homes, so one again the media jumping the gun and creating an issue where there isn’t one

[arista]

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Large Version
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[Zizu]

Pfizer say vaccine is 90% effective

:love:


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-114848020.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly91ay5zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29t L3NlYXJjaD9mcj1tY2FmZWUmdHlwZT1FMjEwR0I3MTRHMCZwPX BmaXplcitzYXkrdmFjY2luZStpcys5MCUyNStlZmZlY3



All our questions answered ..

Can we trust the answers though ??




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[arista]

Injections start 8AM on Tuesday

[Kizzy]

So it's gone from 95% to 90% wasn't the astrazenica one that too? Why hasn't that been approved we have previously ordered 100 million doses of that and it was the cheaper easier to transport one wasn't it ...
The public put 20 million into that so where is it?

I hope they get this right... if I were them I would work with the care quality commission to draw up a local area authority map of care homes and allocate a hospital based on the proximity to house the vaccine and distribute it accordingly via mobile units.

[Kizzy]

The issue has been sorted now as the regulator has ruled the batches can be broken down and taken into care homes, so one again the media jumping the gun and creating an issue where there isn’t one

Where did the story originate that care homes were not in the initial group for vaccination?

[Zizu]

Injections start 8AM on Tuesday



Ahhh ... they didn’t say WHICH Tuesday though ..


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[Cherie]

Pfizer say vaccine is 90% effective

:love:


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-114848020.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly91ay5zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29t L3NlYXJjaD9mcj1tY2FmZWUmdHlwZT1FMjEwR0I3MTRHMCZwPX BmaXplcitzYXkrdmFjY2luZStpcys5MCUyNStlZmZlY3

So it's gone from 95% to 90% wasn't the astrazenica one that too? Why hasn't that been approved we have previously ordered 100 million doses of that and it was the cheaper easier to transport one wasn't it ...
The public put 20 million into that so where is it?

It was 90% as in the OP

Astra Zeneca has not yet been approved as half doses were given initially followed by a full dose which was an error as it should have been two full doses, but the half dose proved very effective so they have gone back to look at this again, this was reported at the time, the regulator expects it to be approved by the end of the year

[Cherie]

Where did the story originate that care homes were not in the initial group for vaccination?

A red top?

[arista]

Ahhh ... they didn’t say WHICH Tuesday though ..


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Times Radio DAB


said this Tuesday 8th of Dec.

[Kizzy]

It was 90% as in the OP

Astra Zeneca has not yet been approved as half doses were given initially followed by a full dose which was an error as it should have been two full doses, but the half dose proved very effective so they have gone back to look at this again, this was reported at the time, the regulator expects it to be approved by the end of the year

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/pfizer-covid-vaccine-safety-coronavirus-b1724874.html%3famp

Here it's reported as 95% :/

That's great news if a half dose is as effective as a full dose isn't it? That means we effectively could have double the 100m doses we ordered.
I remember reading it was particularly effective on the over 65s so that's excellent news. Fingers crossed that is approved shortly.

[Kizzy]

A red top?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/02/uk-care-home-residents-to-miss-out-on-first-wave-of-covid-vaccinations

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eoj1PKZXEAMQwGT?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

SkyNewsHD live outside Croydon Hospital
says they are now fully stocked with the Vaccine
ready for Tuesdays first injections
for NHS Staff and real old folks


https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/6276/production/_115860252_mirrorfront07dec.jpg

[arista]

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[arista]

Yesterday USA

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eoj1PKZW4AE2fAJ?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/07/07/36534810-9025461-image-a-9_1607326618197.jpg
[Michael Gove has denied the Government has any plans
to create a 'vaccine passport,'
but the NHS has created a card for people
to keep a record if they have received the jab,
warning them in bold: 'Make sure you keep this
record card in your purse or wallet']

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/07/07/36490854-9025461-A_graphic_shows_where_the_50_NHS_hubs_special_jab_ centres_and_GP-a-16_1607326785667.jpg

[Ammi]

...what was your most memorable day out ...?....there was this one time I went to a drive-in jab, it was such a time...I went again...

...good luck this week to all of the first vaccinations...:love:..

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/12/07/07/36534810-9025461-image-a-9_1607326618197.jpg
[Michael Gove has denied the Government has any plans
to create a 'vaccine passport,'
but the NHS has created a card for people
to keep a record if they have received the jab,
warning them in bold: 'Make sure you keep this
record card in your purse or wallet']

I think it would be naive not to believe that for at least the next year being vaccinated will cut alot of red tape, not least having to test for covid before you leave the country

[arista]

1335883583437856768

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[smudgie]

2 NHS Staff have had an allergic reaction.
People who have had severe allergic reactions in the past are now advised not to have the jab.

[arista]

2 NHS Staff have had an allergic reaction.
People who have had severe allergic reactions in the past are now advised not to have the jab.


Yes that's normal.
So the Dr.Jarvis says

[smudgie]

Yes that's normal.
So the Dr.Jarvis says

I would imagine it is.
Hopefully one of the other jabs will be ok for those who can’t have this one.

[arista]

[Pensioner, 91, becomes 'national treasure'
with interview about Covid vaccine as
he describes being late after
he 'couldn't find anywhere to damn well park']
[I went off and had a rather nasty lunch and
then came back and they were ready for me.
And no it didn't hurt at all – I didn't know the
needle had gone in until it had come out.
It was very interesting. No it was painless.']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9032041/Pensioner-91-national-treasure-interview-late-Covid-vaccine-appointment.html

[Zizu]

2 NHS Staff have had an allergic reaction.

People who have had severe allergic reactions in the past are now advised not to have the jab.



Great .. .. that’s me out then ..

I’m allergic to Penicillin , Erythromycin and eggs plus loads of intolerances


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[Cherie]

Great .. .. that’s me out then ..

I’m allergic to Penicillin , Erythromycin and eggs plus loads of intolerances


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If you are allergic to eggs you cant get the flu vaccine either, I heard someone talking about how the flu vaccine is made and it is grown in eggs

[Cherie]

[Pensioner, 91, becomes 'national treasure'
with interview about Covid vaccine as
he describes being late after
he 'couldn't find anywhere to damn well park']
[I went off and had a rather nasty lunch and
then came back and they were ready for me.
And no it didn't hurt at all – I didn't know the
needle had gone in until it had come out.
It was very interesting. No it was painless.']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9032041/Pensioner-91-national-treasure-interview-late-Covid-vaccine-appointment.html

I heard this this morning, he was hilarious :laugh:

[Zizu]

If you are allergic to eggs you cant get the flu vaccine either, I heard someone talking about how the flu vaccine is made and it is grown in eggs



Yeah ... never had the flu vaccine .. never had the flu either thankfully


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[Cherie]

The Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid vaccine is safe and effective, giving good protection, researchers have confirmed in The Lancet journal.

Most in the study were younger than 55, but the results so far indicate it does work well in older people too.

The data also suggest it can reduce spread of Covid, as well as protect against illness and death.

The paper, assessed by independent scientists, sets out full results from advanced trials of over 20,000 people.

Regulators, who will have seen the same data, are considering the jab for emergency use.

But there are still important questions about what dose to give, as well as who it will protect.

When the interim trial results were made public in a press release about a fortnight ago, the researchers reported three efficacy levels for the vaccine - an overall effectiveness of 70%, a lower one of 62% and a high of 90%.

That's because different doses of the vaccine were used in one part of the trial. Some volunteers were given shots that were half the strength than originally planned.

Yet that "wrong" dose turned out to be a winner - giving 90% protection - while two standard doses gave 62%.

Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid vaccine 'dosing error' explained
The Lancet report reveals 1,367 people - out of many thousands in the trial - received the half dose followed by a full dose, which gave them 90% protection against getting ill with Covid-19.

The relatively small numbers in this group mean it is hard to draw firm conclusions.

None of that group were over the age of 55 though - and experts know it is older people who are most at risk of severe Covid illness.

In terms of safety, there was one severe adverse event potentially related to the vaccine and another one - a high temperature - that is still being investigated.

Both these participants are recovering and are still in the trial.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55228422

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EotV3vyXcAEZrZT?format=jpg&name=small

[Zizu]

The Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid vaccine is safe and effective, giving good protection, researchers have confirmed in The Lancet journal.



Most in the study were younger than 55, but the results so far indicate it does work well in older people too.



The data also suggest it can reduce spread of Covid, as well as protect against illness and death.



The paper, assessed by independent scientists, sets out full results from advanced trials of over 20,000 people.



Regulators, who will have seen the same data, are considering the jab for emergency use.



But there are still important questions about what dose to give, as well as who it will protect.



When the interim trial results were made public in a press release about a fortnight ago, the researchers reported three efficacy levels for the vaccine - an overall effectiveness of 70%, a lower one of 62% and a high of 90%.



That's because different doses of the vaccine were used in one part of the trial. Some volunteers were given shots that were half the strength than originally planned.



Yet that "wrong" dose turned out to be a winner - giving 90% protection - while two standard doses gave 62%.



Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid vaccine 'dosing error' explained

The Lancet report reveals 1,367 people - out of many thousands in the trial - received the half dose followed by a full dose, which gave them 90% protection against getting ill with Covid-19.



The relatively small numbers in this group mean it is hard to draw firm conclusions.



None of that group were over the age of 55 though - and experts know it is older people who are most at risk of severe Covid illness.



In terms of safety, there was one severe adverse event potentially related to the vaccine and another one - a high temperature - that is still being investigated.



Both these participants are recovering and are still in the trial.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55228422



Nothing in that article is particularly reassuring ... at all .

Half dose followed by a full dose 21 days later ... both to be kept at below 70C ...


Whilst I appreciate our surgeons are brilliant I don’t quite as much faith in the over worked , often inexperienced nurses..

In one hospital stay I was nearly given a DOUBLE dose ( two injections ) of Warfarin - luckily I queried the second one !!

Whilst on another occasion an inexperienced nurse gave me EIGHT Piriton tablets with a glass of water ... luckily I knew to only take TWO ... but she didn’t !!

She’d mistakenly given me a whole days supply !!

This was ten years ago when the health service was NOT as stretched or underfunded.


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[Cherie]

Nothing in that article is particularly reassuring ... at all .

Half dose followed by a full dose 21 days later ... both to be kept at below 70C ...


Whilst I appreciate our surgeons are brilliant I don’t quite as much faith in the over worked , often inexperienced nurses..

In one hospital stay I was nearly given a DOUBLE dose ( two injections ) of Warfarin - luckily I queried the second one !!

Whilst on another occasion an inexperienced nurse gave me EIGHT Piriton tablets with a glass of water ... luckily I knew to only take TWO ... but she didn’t !!

She’d mistakenly given me a whole days supply !!

This was ten years ago when the health service was NOT as stretched or underfunded.


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The Oxford vaccine can be kept in a normal fridge? Pfizer is below 70 Yes humans makes mistakes but whenever I have had a vaccine or the kids they show you the vial before its administered

[bots]

i think all the vaccines are very promising, there will essentially be at least 3 different types, so that improves suitability options.

All medicine can produce side effects, these stories are nothing to worry about

[Zizu]

Sky currently interviewing a professor who is suggesting that anyone who’s prone to allergic reactions won’t be offered this vaccine ... yet they’re also saying the two people who did have a bad allergic reaction both had a history of allergic reactions ..

So which is true ??


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[Cherie]

Sky currently interviewing a professor who is suggesting that anyone who’s prone to allergic reactions won’t be offered this vaccine ... yet they’re also saying the two people who did have a bad allergic reaction both had a history of allergic reactions ..

So which is true ??


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Why cant they both be true?

[bots]

the 2 people that suffered a reaction both had adrenaline pens i believe that they carry everywhere, so people in that category should be careful with that type of vaccine

[Cherie]

So 2 out of 10,000 had a reaction and are now fully recovered


Canada has approved the Pfizer vaccine

[Zizu]

Why cant they both be true?



I took it he meant from when vaccinating started ... not AFTER two people had reactions ..

He was kinda suggesting that it was a ‘given’ that anyone with a history of allergic reactions shouldn’t be having the the vaccine... so why were two people in that situation given the vaccine ?

Both nurses so it’s not as though they weren’t aware of the risks .. surely.


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[Cherie]

I took it he meant from when vaccinating started ... not AFTER two people had reactions ..

He was kinda suggesting that it was a ‘given’ that anyone with a history of allergic reactions shouldn’t be having the the vaccine... so why were two people in that situation given the vaccine ?

Both nurses so it’s not as though they weren’t aware of the risks .. surely.


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From what I listened to this morning, the issue with allergies came up in trials, sonot sure why these nurses both with epi pens took it, maybe it was their own decision if they have previously had vaccines with no issue

[Nicky91]

So 2 out of 10,000 had a reaction and are now fully recovered


Canada has approved the Pfizer vaccine

for how long?

[Nicky91]

and if you say i'm being too negative, i am more being realistic, since this vaccine my country will begin with in January, keep us informed about any side effects etc

[AnnieK]

I know of a couple of people who have had it and they have both reported no problems and actually both said the flu jab was more painful.

[Cherie]

for how long?

What...if you have an allergic reaction and you recover thats generally it, obviously they cant take that particular vaccine again :shrug:

[Cherie]

and if you say i'm being too negative, i am more being realistic, since this vaccine my country will begin with in January, keep us informed about any side effects etc

I thought it hadn’t been approved yet