Light at the end of the tunnel - Covid [vaccine news]

[Cherie]

there were a couple of vaccination centres that popped up close to me a few weeks ago and they have gone again, probably because there is next to no demand anymore. I don't think they will get many more first jabs and i don't think requiring it for night clubs will convince anyone either. It will be holidays abroad that will swing the decision for most and that will be next year

Not sure about that as it will be any indoor venue with crowds so concerts as well

[bots]

i think the venues will just ignore the requirement

[Zizu]

https://twitter.com/bbcnwt/status/1417217216676831244?s=21


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[Strictly Jake]

The way they are pressuring everyone to get the vaccine strikes me as odd and unnervingly controlling

People should get to make the choice what medical procedure they accept and do no accept and shouldn't be forced into anything. If people have made the choice not to get vaccine and get ill or die they are aware this could happen and have made the decision

For those that have the vaccine surely they should have the same level of protection whether or not everyone has the vaccine or not

As for if the vaccines do truly work I guess we still need more time to see

For those that may be hesitant to get a vaccine I don't blame them. Not all of them are conspiracy theorists who think they are getting a microchip. A lot would rather be poorly with covid for a week then how poorly a vaccine could possibly make them

Speaking from a personal experience. My brother in law is still in hospital. The astra zenaca jab attacked his body. It's almost been 2 months. He's basically gone back to being a baby. He has to eat pureed food. He can't communicate. The few words he does use mean something else entirely so he can't say what he wants to say. His brain isn't working properly. He still doesnt have mobility in his arm. He won't be ever able to do his job again. He's having to have intensive rehabilitation. I'm sure he wishes he didn't have the vaccine and just had covid for a week.

So this controlling corrupt rule breaking government can quite frankly do one because a lot more of us are seeing through the lies and what may be truly going on beneath the surface here.

[Cherie]

The way they are pressuring everyone to get the vaccine strikes me as odd and unnervingly controlling

People should get to make the choice what medical procedure they accept and do no accept and shouldn't be forced into anything. If people have made the choice not to get vaccine and get ill or die they are aware this could happen and have made the decision

For those that have the vaccine surely they should have the same level of protection whether or not everyone has the vaccine or not

As for if the vaccines do truly work I guess we still need more time to see

For those that may be hesitant to get a vaccine I don't blame them. Not all of them are conspiracy theorists who think they are getting a microchip. A lot would rather be poorly with covid for a week then how poorly a vaccine could possibly make them

Speaking from a personal experience. My brother in law is still in hospital. The astra zenaca jab attacked his body. It's almost been 2 months. He's basically gone back to being a baby. He has to eat pureed food. He can't communicate. The few words he does use mean something else entirely so he can't say what he wants to say. His brain isn't working properly. He still doesnt have mobility in his arm. He won't be ever able to do his job again. He's having to have intensive rehabilitation. I'm sure he wishes he didn't have the vaccine and just had covid for a week.

So this controlling corrupt rule breaking government can quite frankly do one because a lot more of us are seeing through the lies and what may be truly going on beneath the surface here.


sorry to hear about your brother in law Jake, I think the point is that the virus may mutate and make vaccinations null and void, and we are back to the situation again with overflowing hospitals

passports are already in operation across Europe, Denmark for instance will only allow vaccinated people into restaurants so I think we are very low down on the list of what is currently required and mandated,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-57665765

[Vanessa]

The way they are pressuring everyone to get the vaccine strikes me as odd and unnervingly controlling

People should get to make the choice what medical procedure they accept and do no accept and shouldn't be forced into anything. If people have made the choice not to get vaccine and get ill or die they are aware this could happen and have made the decision

For those that have the vaccine surely they should have the same level of protection whether or not everyone has the vaccine or not

As for if the vaccines do truly work I guess we still need more time to see

For those that may be hesitant to get a vaccine I don't blame them. Not all of them are conspiracy theorists who think they are getting a microchip. A lot would rather be poorly with covid for a week then how poorly a vaccine could possibly make them

Speaking from a personal experience. My brother in law is still in hospital. The astra zenaca jab attacked his body. It's almost been 2 months. He's basically gone back to being a baby. He has to eat pureed food. He can't communicate. The few words he does use mean something else entirely so he can't say what he wants to say. His brain isn't working properly. He still doesnt have mobility in his arm. He won't be ever able to do his job again. He's having to have intensive rehabilitation. I'm sure he wishes he didn't have the vaccine and just had covid for a week.

So this controlling corrupt rule breaking government can quite frankly do one because a lot more of us are seeing through the lies and what may be truly going on beneath the surface here.

I'm sorry. Hope he gets better.
I wonder if he may have been allergic? Because that was a very strong reaction to the vaccine.

[Nicky91]

meanwhile my mom again moaning at me if i shouldn't change my mind and get vaccinated more like ''we see more youths now ending up in hospital and some on ICU''

:rolleyes:


it is my own opinion, and i replied back with ''yes but i am not like those particular youths, i never go to nightclubs, pubs, restaurants, stores''


i somehow am glad to be a antisocial introvert in times like these



and as for holiday, or if i ever need to see doctor, i'll wear my FFP2 face mask




so i still stick to my opinion, and i refuse the vaccine

[arista]

i think the venues will just ignore the requirement


No,
they can not get away with that

[Strictly Jake]

I'm sorry. Hope he gets better.
I wonder if he may have been allergic? Because that was a very strong reaction to the vaccine.

Very likely could have been. But the point I'm making is a lot of people may refuse the vaccine not because of rebellion etc but because they are worried of the side effects it could leave Vs the side effects of covid.

I understand that vunerable and elderly should have the vaccine as they don't have as good a chance if they catch covid.

But as for pressuring teenagers to get a jab. When it's unlikely covid would do any lasting harm. It just seems really odd to me.

[Strictly Jake]

sorry to hear about your brother in law Jake, I think the point is that the virus may mutate and make vaccinations null and void, and we are back to the situation again with overflowing hospitals

passports are already in operation across Europe, Denmark for instance will only allow vaccinated people into restaurants so I think we are very low down on the list of what is currently required and mandated,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-57665765

Could the virus still mutate even if everyone does have the vaccine though?

Also give it time as for our vaccine passports it may still be brought into place regarding restaurants etc

[Cherie]

Could the virus still mutate even if everyone does have the vaccine though?

Also give it time as for our vaccine passports it may still be brought into place regarding restaurants etc

if the virus isn't circulating then it has less chance to mutate, twenty vaccinated people in a room are going to have a much lower risk of having the virus or passing it on than 20 people in a room where only 10 are vaccinated

I have no doubt vaccine passports will be required especially in the winter months, I would rather a passport than lockdown, and for those who can't physically take it I think there will be some sort of leeway

[bots]

the mutations argument is nonsense. As long as the virus is active anywhere in the world it will mutate, it has nothing to do with the uk specifically. The virus mutates all the time, constantly, so again, people are talking nonsense on that one. Every so often a new strain will come along that is more infectious or more dangerous, but we are never going to get infections down to zero in the uk let alone across the world, so trying to guilt trip people into vaccination is not a clever strategy

[Vanessa]

Very likely could have been. But the point I'm making is a lot of people may refuse the vaccine not because of rebellion etc but because they are worried of the side effects it could leave Vs the side effects of covid.

I understand that vunerable and elderly should have the vaccine as they don't have as good a chance if they catch covid.

But as for pressuring teenagers to get a jab. When it's unlikely covid would do any lasting harm. It just seems really odd to me.
Yes. My sister has refused the vaccine as well, so I'm worried for her.
But it should always be a personal choice, you can't force people to get vaccinated.

[user104658]

the mutations argument is nonsense. As long as the virus is active anywhere in the world it will mutate, it has nothing to do with the uk specifically. The virus mutates all the time, constantly, so again, people are talking nonsense on that one. Every so often a new strain will come along that is more infectious or more dangerous, but we are never going to get infections down to zero in the uk let alone across the world, so trying to guilt trip people into vaccination is not a clever strategy

Exactly, the mutations argument doesn't really hold water when the virus is rampant across India, South America, etc... any new dominant strain that mutates elsewhere will find its way into the UK.

It's also worth noting that the traits of a mutation are a dice roll - "mutation" doesn't necessarily mean "getting worse", which I think is often assumed. In theory, if a dominant strain of extremely-infectious-yet-very-mild Covid was to emerge, we would absolutely WANT that to spread through the population, as it would help to edge out strains with more incidences of severe symptoms.

TBH a best-case-scenario is a mutation that spreads like wildfire, but that's so mild that basically no one gets severely ill (there will always be risk to the very elderly and immune suppressed, unfortunately).

[Zizu]

TBH a best-case-scenario is a mutation that spreads like wildfire, but that's so mild that basically no one gets severely ill (there will always be risk to the very elderly and immune suppressed, unfortunately).


Maybe they should be researching that very thing ?


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[bots]

Maybe they should be researching that very thing ?


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thats really what the vaccine does, but safe artificial means

[michael21]

Cherie and her never ending tunnel :fist::fist::fist:

[Zizu]

thats really what the vaccine does, but safe artificial means


That was what I was alluding to :)


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[Cherie]

If anyone wants to leave the UK they are going to have to be vaccinated anyway so they may as well suck it up now and get it over with tbh

[Cherie]

Cherie and her never ending tunnel :fist::fist::fist:

The light went out? :laugh:

[Cherie]

Booster jabs will start next month for over 50s, you may get a different vaccine to the one you got originally ..the magnets are coming :omgno:

[bots]

Booster jabs will start next month for over 50s, you may get a different vaccine to the one you got originally ..the magnets are coming :omgno:

they will probably do it in age order again, so i will get mine November ish

I don't think it really matters what vaccine you get, it just gives the immune system a top up. Apparently in russia and china they have already had boosters as the vaccine isnt combatting the delta variant very well

[arista]

Covid: Vaccines to be offered to 16 and 17 year olds

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58080232

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Cherie]

Researchers behind the React trial, which has been tracking the disease throughout the pandemic, said that even if double-jabbed people come into contact with someone who has Covid-19, only one in 25 (3.84%) will go on to catch it themselves.

And cases are generally milder among double-jabbed people who do get infected, they added.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/double-jabbed-half-likely-infected-230100474.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08/04/10/46271235-0-image-m-13_1628070576687.jpg

[John Eyers, 42, of Southport, Merseyside
Father-of-one had thought he would only
have a 'mild illness' if he got Covid-19
and didn't want a vaccine
But he died after suffering from infection
and organ failure,
telling consultant he regretted not getting jab]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9859773/Fit-healthy-man-42-rejected-jab-dies-four-weeks-catching-Covid.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

I got my Vaccination confirmation letter today from the NHS confirming iv been double jagged and when :thumbs:

[Cherie]

I got my Vaccination confirmation letter today from the NHS confirming iv been double jagged and when :thumbs:

take that TS

[user104658]

take that TS

There have been some concerns that elderly people won't have internet access so they're sending out letters to those considered vulnerable.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There have been some concerns that elderly people won't have internet access so they're sending out letters to those considered vulnerable.

THAT IS UNTRUE

I have internet access - my Demon Dial-up has never let me down

:hmph:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E79184FXoAI2TDb?format=jpg&name=small


In a few weeks time.

[Zizu]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E79184FXoAI2TDb?format=jpg&name=small


In a few weeks time.


I’ll be happier when it’s all teenagers tbh


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[Cherie]

I’ll be happier when it’s all teenagers tbh


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If the uptake in the 18 to 30 cohort is low what makes you think it will be high in teenagers

[Niamh.]

Luke's getting his 2nd jab next week and he's 17. I think the uptake here in younger people is high enough

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[user104658]

If the uptake in the 18 to 30 cohort is low what makes you think it will be high in teenagers


Technically, up until 18 it’s parents choice.

[Zizu]

If the uptake in the 18 to 30 cohort is low what makes you think it will be high in teenagers


Wishful thinking .. the more the safer


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[Niamh.]

Technically, up until 18 it’s parents choice.I'm not sure it is actually, maybe under 16's? When Luke got his first jab we didn't have to give our consent anyway

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[Cherie]

yes you are right Neem parental consent will not be required for 16/17 year olds

[user104658]

You are correct :hee: it is 16. There’s also some stuff about “extreme circumstances” that mean parental consent can be overruled… but Id be very concerned if they chose to implement that en masse, as it’s absolutely not what it’s intended for (it’s intended for things like a blood transfusion being refused on religious grounds, if the child will die without it).

[Niamh.]

12-15 year olds will be offered the Moderna Vaccine here next week

[bots]

US news network CNN has sacked three employees for going into an office without having been vaccinated against Covid, US media say.

It is one of the first examples of a US firm firing staff for breaching a company vaccination mandate.

It is legal in the US for firms to require employees to be vaccinated.

Many large firms - including Facebook and Google - say they will require employees to be vaccinated when offices fully re-open in the months ahead.

CNN chief Jeff Zucker mentioned the dismissal in a company memo sent on Thursday and seen by several US media outlets.

Vaccination is mandatory for anyone reporting in the field, working with any other employees or going into an office, he is quoted as saying in the memo.

"Let me be clear - we have a zero-tolerance policy on this," Mr Zucker, chairman of news and sports for WarnerMedia, is quoted as saying.

In May the US government said it was legal for employers to require staff attending the workplace in person to be vaccinated against Covid-19.

Major airlines Delta and United Airlines are requiring new employees to show proof of vaccination, while investment bank Goldman Sachs is requiring its employees to disclose their vaccination status, although does not require staff to be vaccinated, AP reports.

President Biden has ordered two million federal employees to show proof of vaccination or be subject to mandatory testing and mask-wearing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58112125

[Cherie]

2/3 of over 18s to 30s have had at least one jab

[LaLaLand]

Got my second jab in the morning - at last!

[arista]

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[bots]

The UK has ordered 35 million more doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, which will be delivered in the second half of 2022.

The government said it was preparing for a programme of Covid boosters to protect the most vulnerable this year.

Health and Social Care Secretary Sajid Javid said the move was intended "to future-proof our vaccine programme".

The UK has now ordered more than 540 million doses of eight different Covid vaccines.

Four have so far been approved for use in the UK.

The deal with Pfizer means the UK has ordered more doses of that Covid vaccine - 135 million - than any other.

The NHS was given the green light to start planning third booster doses for the over-50s, after interim advice from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) in early July, and Mr Javid recently said the programme would start in September.

However, the UK's vaccine committee is still to give its final advice on whether a booster programme ahead of this winter should proceed and who should be included.

The JCVI is thought to be waiting for better data on how long protection from the first two doses of the vaccines lasts.

It's likely people who are immunosuppressed, with weakened immune systems, will receive a booster jab even if all over-50s - around 30 million people - do not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58307215

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2021/10/27/members-outbreak-team-separate-measures-unvaccinated

Netherlands: Outbreak Management team are against separate measures for unvaccinated


Andreas Voss, professor of infection prevention, called it a "difficult decision." "I believe that society should not be held hostage by a minority, but I am also against any form of discrimination. I want everyone, including people who decided not to get vaccinated, to be able to participate in society."

All the OMT members NU.nl spoke to agreed on how to prevent the coronavirus from spreading further - adhere better to the restrictions in place.

"Keep at least 1.5 meters apart and work at home if possible. Stay home if you have symptoms and get tested. Use a QR code for certain risky activities. These are all measures that I think have hardly been observed," Kluytmans said. "The virus won't just go away, not even with vaccination. It will become manageable, but the problem will not go away completely. This virus has been added and will certainly continue to take its toll every year."


"I am not in favor of it at all," medical microbiologist Jan Kluytmans said. "It is very much against individual freedoms." Separate measures will also be challenging to implement and enforce. "Half of the unvaccinated live spread out across the country, 10 percent are in religious communities, and 40 percent are in the large cities. Then you have to do something in Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and The Hague. But how are you going to implement it, and what are you going to achieve with it?"

Virologist Menno de Jong thinks that different measures will "polarize us too much." Diederik Gommers of intensive care association NVIC says that he makes "no distinction" as a doctor. "You also have to be careful not to put groups against each other."
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good points here


honestly even those double jabbed, or now with a booster, you can still get ill from covid

[Alf]

https://nltimes.nl/2021/10/27/members-outbreak-team-separate-measures-unvaccinated

Netherlands: Outbreak Management team are against separate measures for unvaccinated




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good points here


honestly even those double jabbed, or now with a booster, you can still get ill from covidIf the double jabbed are eager to get a booster then does that mean that they don't believe in the vaccine and does that make them the real anti-vaxers?

[Cherie]

If the double jabbed are eager to get a booster then does that mean that they don't believe in the vaccine and does that make them the real anti-vaxers?

no, because most vaccines have to be topped up at some point, like the flu jab every year or tetanus every 10 years

[user104658]

If the double jabbed are eager to get a booster then does that mean that they don't believe in the vaccine and does that make them the real anti-vaxers?

"Are people who are willing to get a 3rd vaccine anti-vaxxers?"

No.

I don't think that even needs elaboration.

[bots]

i signed up for the flu vaccine too, so it's +4 for me :laugh:

[Cherie]

i signed up for the flu vaccine too, so it's +4 for me :laugh:

omg are you getting one in each arm :laugh:

Mr C turned 50 this year so he is eligible for both as well, not sure he will get the flu one though :think:

[Alf]

i signed up for the flu vaccine too, so it's +4 for me :laugh:Junkie. Don't you feel you may be coming addicted?

[Alf]

"A free mind makes their own choices and a slave mind follows the crowd"

Floyd is spot on



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[bots]

when you get to my age group, an extra injection here or there is the least of our worries :laugh:

[Zizu]

when you get to my age group, an extra injection here or there is the least of our worries :laugh:


I’m fast approaching 64 and a born worrier... can’t decide which to worry about most .. Covid 19 , heart disease or other age related ailments , lack of food on shelves, seasonal flu , cost of petrol , cost of gas/elec or .....


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[Beso]

Is a booster just a third vaccine, or is it watered down a bit?

[Zizu]

Is a booster just a third vaccine, or is it watered down a bit?


I presumed it was slightly modified to provide cover against the newer strains


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[MTVN]

I’m fast approaching 64 and a born worrier... can’t decide which to worry about most .. Covid 19 , heart disease or other age related ailments , lack of food on shelves, seasonal flu , cost of petrol , cost of gas/elec or .....


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Or your fantasy team having another bad week?

[Zizu]

Or your fantasy team having another bad week?


That’s a given


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[Beso]

I presumed it was slightly modified to provide cover against the newer strains


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That's a very clever thing to do. Especially in such a short space of time.

[bots]

there is nothing modified about the booster vaccines. It would require a new trial phase and a new approval process and there just isnt the time for that. There are plenty years ahead for new versions of vaccines

[Beso]

there is nothing modified about the booster vaccines. It would require a new trial phase and a new approval process and there just isnt the time for that. There are plenty years ahead for new versions of vaccines

So it's just a 3rd vaccine jab then?

After the governments, and everyone elses scientific experts, confidently told us we would only need 2!!

We would only need 2 of these jabs, 2 of these vaccines they have managed to find in 8 or so months..they told us 2 after testing people for a few weeks. 2 they told us, 2 of the miracle find was all that was needed....

Now its 3? And they want everyone to keep taking it, even the young and non vulnerable!!

Yet people get up in arms at people refusing to take all these jabs, and have been for a long time now....




Also, do you have to wear a mask to do karaoke in a pub in Scotland?

[bots]

So it's just a 3rd vaccine jab then?

After the governments, and everyone elses scientific experts, confidently told us we would only need 2!!

We would only need 2 of these jabs, 2 of these vaccines they have managed to find in 8 or so months..they told us 2 after testing people for a few weeks. 2 they told us, 2 of the miracle find was all that was needed....

Now its 3? And they want everyone to keep taking it, even the young and non vulnerable!!

Yet people get up in arms at people refusing to take all these jabs, and have been for a long time now....




Also, do you have to wear a mask to do karaoke in a pub in Scotland?

they have always said they didnt know how long the jab would provide immunity for. Boosters have always been on the table, so i don't know where you get your information

[Cherie]

So it's just a 3rd vaccine jab then?

After the governments, and everyone elses scientific experts, confidently told us we would only need 2!!

We would only need 2 of these jabs, 2 of these vaccines they have managed to find in 8 or so months..they told us 2 after testing people for a few weeks. 2 they told us, 2 of the miracle find was all that was needed....

Now its 3? And they want everyone to keep taking it, even the young and non vulnerable!!

Yet people get up in arms at people refusing to take all these jabs, and have been for a long time now....




Also, do you have to wear a mask to do karaoke in a pub in Scotland?

The booster is for over 50s and vulnerable only

[user104658]

People thinking that booster jabs after vaccination is “weird” really is peak 2021. It’s not “strange” to get an immunisation booster shot ffs. It’s been a completely normal aspect of immunisation schedules since vaccination was discovered. Just stop it.

[GoldHeart]

What I didn't realise is both the flu jab and the booster can be done on the same day, I thought that would be too much for 1 person to have.

[user104658]

What I didn't realise is both the flu jab and the booster can be done on the same day, I thought that would be too much for 1 person to have.


Well, they do measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) all in one jab, and give it to toddlers, so I guess not surprising that two together is fine. They also do various travel vaccines on the same day and some of those are for much nastier things than Covid or flu.

[Beso]

People thinking that booster jabs after vaccination is “weird” really is peak 2021. It’s not “strange” to get an immunisation booster shot ffs. It’s been a completely normal aspect of immunisation schedules since vaccination was discovered. Just stop it.

On fully tested vaccines and fully tested immunisation boosters.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: nice to share percentage numbers of how many of the population here vaccinated

87% that is really good :clap1:


but now here is about to begin with the booster jabs, again oldest first and slowly going down to youngest

[arista]

COVID-19: USA gives final stamp of approval to
Pfizer's vaccine for children aged five to 11


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-us-gives-final-stamp-of-approval-to-pfizers-vaccine-for-children-aged-five-to-11-12458537

[arista]

[COVID news live: UK daily covid figures.
Government set to announce mandatory vaccines
for frontline NHS workers
as Europe becomes only region with virus 'increasing']


SkyNewsHD

[michael21]

[COVID news live: UK daily covid figures.
Government set to announce mandatory vaccines
for frontline NHS workers
as Europe becomes only region with virus 'increasing']


SkyNewsHD

Not till April 2022 the mo foos

[arista]

[COVID news live: UK daily covid figures.
Government set to announce mandatory vaccines
for frontline NHS workers
as Europe becomes only region with virus 'increasing']


SkyNewsHD


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[Vicky.]

[COVID news live: UK daily covid figures.
Government set to announce mandatory vaccines
for frontline NHS workers
as Europe becomes only region with virus 'increasing']


SkyNewsHD

I cannot put into words how much I am against this. I get the idea, dont get me wrong but I find it really unfair and crap. We should not be able to mandate medical treatment. And yes, it is mandating for people who work in that field in reality isn't it, before the 'you dont have to get it, you could quit!' crap starts.

Hopefully the covid nonsense has died down by then. Its going to be here forever. And yes people should have the option of being as safe as possible. But there should always be a choice.

[arista]

I cannot put into words how much I am against this. I get the idea, dont get me wrong but I find it really unfair and crap. We should not be able to mandate medical treatment. And yes, it is mandating for people who work in that field in reality isn't it, before the 'you dont have to get it, you could quit!' crap starts.

Hopefully the covid nonsense has died down by then. Its going to be here forever. And yes people should have the option of being as safe as possible. But there should always be a choice.


They will be moved away
from Patients.
Thats Logical.

[Vicky.]

They will be moved away
from Patients.
Thats Logical.
I dont understand how this is possible for all roles in healthcare?

My mother was going to go back to work next year, just picking up 'bank' (?) shifts whenever she fancied it as shes retired but bored. Shes now waiting to see what happens with this mandatory medical treatment **** before doing it. As shes very against it. Not necessarily getting vaccinated, but being pressured into it. I cannot see how they can claim consent was given when they put people in that situation.

Mind shes been saying this for a few months now, since she first heard of carehome staff being pressured into it.

[Zizu]

They will be moved away
from Patients.
Thats Logical.


Doing the hospital gardens ?


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[smudgie]

So now we have a tablet that does the trick.

[arista]

So now we have a tablet that does the trick.


Yes if you are ill with Covid-19
you take the Merck Pill to recover.
USA is now happy with it.


And the UK has approved it.

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[arista]

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[michael21]

Yes if you are ill with Covid-19
you take the Merck Pill to recover.
USA is now happy with it.


And the UK has approved it.

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There a bit big :nono:

[bots]

yeah a lot of people will have trouble swallowing them

[Alf]

Hydroxychloriquine and Ivermectim cure Covid, but big pharma doesn't make any money of them and that's why they're not promoted. Trump told you right at the start.

The media will be put in prison for keeping this information from the public when the trails for crimes against humanity start.

[Mystic Mock]

Yes if you are ill with Covid-19
you take the Merck Pill to recover.
USA is now happy with it.


And the UK has approved it.

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The holy cure.:worship:

Being serious though I really will try to stock up on this **** as much as possible.

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[Cherie]

Hydroxychloriquine and Ivermectim cure Covid, but big pharma doesn't make any money of them and that's why they're not promoted. Trump told you right at the start.

The media will be put in prison for keeping this information from the public when the trails for crimes against humanity start.

The AZ vaccine is non profit

[Alf]

The AZ vaccine is non profitAs of July of this year it had made £900m, according to The Guardian, is none of that profit?

[user104658]

As of July of this year it had made £900m, according to The Guardian, is none of that profit?


If all net profit goes back into research and development (facilities, equipment, staff, manufacturing centres) etc. then it does not become gross profit. When people talk about “non profit” they mean that individuals/owners/shareholders are not making a private profit from that company (beyond their salary). For example I work for a very small non-profit independent organisation, it’s obviously not that there’s “no money involved”, but all income goes into salaries, pensions, office space and equipment etc. and then any surplus is used to either host events (pre-covid that is, we haven’t gone back to doing any physical events yet) and growing the company. So basically it means that bigger profits one year doesn’t mean that any individual ends up with more money in their bank account.

Welcome to GCSE economics with Toy Soldier.

[Alf]

If all net profit goes back into research and development (facilities, equipment, staff, manufacturing centres) etc. then it does not become gross profit. When people talk about “non profit” they mean that individuals/owners/shareholders are not making a private profit from that company (beyond their salary). For example I work for a very small non-profit independent organisation, it’s obviously not that there’s “no money involved”, but all income goes into salaries, pensions, office space and equipment etc. and then any surplus is used to either host events (pre-covid that is, we haven’t gone back to doing any physical events yet) and growing the company. So basically it means that bigger profits one year doesn’t mean that any individual ends up with more money in their bank account.

Welcome to GCSE economics with Toy Soldier.And is that the case wth the AZ? I'm not doubting it, I'm just asking to find out.

[Nicky91]

i might get my first jab upcoming tuesday


but only if i can get pfizer



lucky for me i don't need to make appointments, but we will still ask what time is least busy, and lucky for me it is in the open air, and closer to home at a testing location

[Nicky91]

UGH :rolleyes:


annoying woman on the phone now, who clearly knows nothing, saying there are only few days for people without appointments

NOT

in eindhoven, my city which we clearly said we are from, are every day of the week available for people without appointments



however also Moderna available and not a 100% guarantee of pfizer :idc: **** you stupid hellhole what netherlands is

give that moderna poisonous rubbish to willem engel and those toxic anti-vaxxer scum




i only WANT pfizer and nothing else

[user104658]

And is that the case wth the AZ? I'm not doubting it, I'm just asking to find out.

AZ isn't a not-for-profit company but they are providing the AZ vaccine doses on a not-for-profit basis (i.e. only charging the cost of development and manufacturing) - that's why doses are something like £2 compared to Pfizer's $30. They're not doing it out of the goodness of their heart though - the idea was that it would be sold at cost "during the pandemic" and then at full price at some point (assuming Covid vaccines become seasonal like Flu vaccine) and they did it for general "PR reasons" as well ... which have basically completely backfired (because of the blood clot drama). I think they've actually made a net loss because of that.

So it's a bit more complicated with AZ. It's not a non-profit, it's a publicly traded company (AZN) so they were essentially gambling on making profits via increasing their share value with their "good deeds" (it hasn't gone well). The vaccine itself however was produced on a non-profit basis and they haven't directly made money from it.

[user104658]

Pfizer on the other hand has made a lot of direct profit. Well into the billions of dollars.

[bots]

the idea simply was that by charging it at cost, it makes it affordable as it can be across the world which is an admirable sentiment. Pfizer and Moderna went for the bucks from the start.

The other aspect about AZ is that it doesnt need specialist freezers to keep it viable. Remote locations around the world just dont have the correct equipment

In fairness the russian vaccine can be shipped in solid format and is also cheap and equally effective so they have actually done the world a favour too although not much is heard about that :laugh:

[user104658]

the idea simply was that by charging it at cost, it makes it affordable as it can be across the world which is an admirable sentiment. Pfizer and Moderna went for the bucks from the start.

To be honest I think it would be a bit naive to think that AZ (as a company) were acting purely out of altruism... they were banking on their stock prices surging. Unfortunately for them, the "blood clot panic" and also the drama with manufacturing and the tit-for-tat with Europe has made that a bit shakier. They tanked a bit in early 2021 although it looks like they've actually been climbing steadily since April. I guess all I'm saying is, don't assume they aren't going for the bucks just because the actual price tag is low.

I guess as a comparison - something to note is that both Sony and Microsoft sell consoles at launch as close to manufacturing and shipping cost as possible or sometimes even at a loss. That's not because they're passionate about affordable gaming... it's because being the biggest brand brings lots of profit in other forms down the track.

[bots]

To be honest I think it would be a bit naive to think that AZ (as a company) were acting purely out of altruism... they were banking on their stock prices surging. Unfortunately for them, the "blood clot panic" and also the drama with manufacturing and the tit-for-tat with Europe has made that a bit shakier. They tanked a bit in early 2021 although it looks like they've actually been climbing steadily since April. I guess all I'm saying is, don't assume they aren't going for the bucks just because the actual price tag is low.

I guess as a comparison - something to note is that both Sony and Microsoft sell consoles at launch as close to manufacturing and shipping cost as possible or sometimes even at a loss. That's not because they're passionate about affordable gaming... it's because being the biggest brand brings lots of profit in other forms down the track.

the AZ vaccine is branded differently in india, but it's still the identical vaccine and it has been given in the majority in india, so given that Pfizer and Moderna are not given in China, India or Russia ... they are not in the same league population wise as the big 3. I think the russian or chinese vaccine is given in brazil too ... none of the western stuff there

[Vicky.]

To be honest I think it would be a bit naive to think that AZ (as a company) were acting purely out of altruism... they were banking on their stock prices surging. Unfortunately for them, the "blood clot panic" and also the drama with manufacturing and the tit-for-tat with Europe has made that a bit shakier. They tanked a bit in early 2021 although it looks like they've actually been climbing steadily since April. I guess all I'm saying is, don't assume they aren't going for the bucks just because the actual price tag is low.

I guess as a comparison - something to note is that both Sony and Microsoft sell consoles at launch as close to manufacturing and shipping cost as possible or sometimes even at a loss. That's not because they're passionate about affordable gaming... it's because being the biggest brand brings lots of profit in other forms down the track.
Yes that was fortunate for some eh..great timing.

[arista]

In the USA a 2nd Pill for Covid

Pfizer says antiviral pill 89% effective in high risk cases

[The UK has already ordered 250,000 courses
of the new Pfizer treatment]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59178291

[Nicky91]

we've postponed that until friday next week for my first jab


for extra info we contacted our city's GGD via instagram and there they said they stopped vaccinating with Moderna longer time ago and only vaccinate with pfizer

very confusing after this morning with that one doctor lady on the phone who said they vaccinate with either Pfizer or Moderna

:conf:

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[Zizu]

Hydroxychloriquine and Ivermectim cure Covid, but big pharma doesn't make any money of them and that's why they're not promoted. Trump told you right at the start.

The media will be put in prison for keeping this information from the public when the trails for crimes against humanity start.


Oddly enough ... my brother in laws best mate is a cancer specialist who says that taking massive doses of vitamin C works wonders for anyone suffering from Cancer but it’s not being actively promoted or advertised as it’s so cheap it’s simply not profitable !!!

Sounds incredible !!


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[bots]

in multiple trials around the world Hydroxychloriquine has been proven to not be effective in fighting covid. By all means you take it if you want Alf, but please stop with the false information, it's not helpful

[arista]

we've postponed that until friday next week for my first jab


for extra info we contacted our city's GGD via instagram and there they said they stopped vaccinating with Moderna longer time ago and only vaccinate with pfizer

very confusing after this morning with that one doctor lady on the phone who said they vaccinate with either Pfizer or Moderna

:conf:

Pfizer is the best.
Good Luck Nicky.

[Nicky91]

my mom, dad, and my mom's mum who lives next door to us all got jabbed with pfizer

my nephew and niece of my mom's sister too with that one



and i've now read about pfizer, some extra info, yeah i trust that one, more than Moderna, AstraZeneca or Janssen/J&J

[Nicky91]

Toxic vaccine rubbish :idc:



can't believe my parents want to kill me, by wanting me vaccinated with something that can cause myocarditis in my age group


:idc: :idc:

[Zizu]

Does anyone know how to get a Vaccine Certificate sent out ??

The ones you can order through the NHS app only last for 30 days


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[Cherie]

Does anyone know how to get a Vaccine Certificate sent out ??

The ones you can order through the NHS app only last for 30 days


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https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/covid-pass/

Get the letter, it wont have your booster dose as currently they are not being added, this may change

You should have a back up letter anyway as a few weeks ago the app crashed and some could not get on their flights

[Zizu]

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/covid-pass/

Get the letter, it wont have your booster dose as currently they are not being added, this may change

You should have a back up letter anyway as a few weeks ago the app crashed and some could not get on their flights


Actually I’ve got the original letter for the first two but I presumed I’d need one to include the booster but maybe I’ll wait in the light of what you’ve said above

Thank you !!
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[bots]

from today, if you are travelling abroad, the booster will be shown on your covid passport

[arista]

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[Alf]

Light at the end of the tunnel?

As The Smiths once said...


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[arista]

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[Alf]

Send Alf your weekly income to beat Omicron.

[Alf]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/A146/production/_122068214_inews-nc.pngWas this booster shot invented before anyone knew about Omicron? Or was it invented in the past two weeks?

How do they know that this booster saves you from Omicrom if it was invented before anyone even knew Omicron existed? What was the research they did and what were the findings from that research?

[arista]

Was this booster shot invented before anyone knew about Omicron? Or was it invented in the past two weeks?

How do they know that this booster saves you from Omicrom if it was invented before anyone even knew Omicron existed? What was the research they did and what were the findings from that research?


No well Before Omicron appeared.

[Nicky91]

trying to make a appointment for my first jab in January

well some dumb person over the phone says january is filled up completely

for the ''booster jabs'' :umm2: last week it wasn't filled up and now suddenly it is


but you can go to helmond where you can walk in without appointments, umm no thank you, takes way too long to get there from my location

[Cherie]

the light has dimmed :sad:

[bots]

the light has dimmed :sad:

no, its actually a highspeed train coming toward us :laugh:

[Cherie]

no, its actually a highspeed train coming toward us :laugh:

:laugh: lights flashing and bells ringing

[arista]

trying to make a appointment for my first jab in January

well some dumb person over the phone says january is filled up completely

for the ''booster jabs'' :umm2: last week it wasn't filled up and now suddenly it is


but you can go to helmond where you can walk in without appointments, umm no thank you, takes way too long to get there from my location


You are Fussy bugger in the Netherlands

[arista]

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[arista]

An American on BBCnewsHD
said sadly Africa can not take much of the Vaccines
as the 2 main ones have to be kept in a Special Fridge.

So African nations can not handle that.


The One other Vaccine that was mean't for Africa
is not being produced well in India.


So sadly African Nations left behind.