Light at the end of the tunnel - Covid [vaccine news]

[Cherie]

Controversy over the number of doses in the Pfizer vials



https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0127/1193418-pfizer-doses/

How many doses?

Until recently, each vial of the BioNTech-Pfizer vaccine was considered to officially contain five doses.

After being thawed, the contents of each vial are diluted with 1.8ml of saline solution, creating a total of 2.25ml of injectable solution. With each dose 0.3ml, in theory there are just over seven doses.

But theory and practice are different. Medical personnel are unable to measure so precisely the doses to get seven doses they can inject into people.

But the found they could - with the right equipment - reliably get six doses out of the vials.

Both EU and US regulators now consider that the vials contain six doses and have authorised the use of the sixth dose.

However the European Medicines Agency noted that this sixth dose depends on the availability of specific syringes.

[AnnieK]

Great news Annie

My 93 year old Grandma has had her first jab this morning too. She lives in the Isle of Man so it's been a bit slower to get to her but they're pretty much Covid free there anyway. They've transformed the airport into a vaccination centre and she was adament she would drive there and back herself but has eventually relented and let my cousin drive her in case her arm was sore afterwards or anything, just as well because she's an awful driver at the best of times

:laugh:

Great news she's vaccinated.

[Cherie]

Britain raced ahead in the battle to secure vaccine supplies by announcing bulk manufacturing of up to 60 million doses of a new jab.
A vaccine created by French firm Valneva will start large-scale production at a plant in Livingston, Scotland.
If the Valneva jab gets full authorisation it will mean the UK has hopes for an astonishing 200 million jabs, more than enough for all its citizens to get both doses required with some left over.
It is an “inactivated whole virus” vaccine, using particles that stimulate an antibody response.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock tweeted: “The Valneva vaccine will be another vital tool in our fight against the virus if approved.” He said the Scottish production was “another fantastic example of the strength of our Union”.
Under the national plan for vaccinations, the UK has portfolio of 100 million Oxford/AstraZeneca doses, 40 million of the Pfizer jab, and 17 million of the Moderna vaccine, in addition to 60 million planned from Valneva.

However, the European Union last night stepped up its demands to be given some of the UK-manufactured Oxford/AstraZeneca batches after plants in Europe failed to produce adequate yields to fulfil its contracts with the company.
Boris Johnson will use a visit to Scotland later today to argue that the Union has been integral in administering the coronavirus vaccine, providing Covid testing and giving economic support north of the border during the pandemic.
The Prime Minister spoke about the "great benefits of co-operation" to beat the coronavirus crisis, which has claimed more than 100,000 lives in the UK.
The visit comes as calls grow for a second independence vote for Scotland.
First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said Mr Johnson's visit to Scotland is "not essential" during the current lockdown.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-manufacturing-covid-vaccine-valneva-b906243.html

[bots]

The EU are angry because the UK have shown we can set up a better vaccine deal, faster now that they are out of the EU. It's about the only thing we have done better :laugh:

[Cherie]

The EU are angry because the UK have shown we can set up a better vaccine deal, faster now that they are out of the EU. It's about the only thing we have done better :laugh:

I think they also have a problem in that Italy, Germany, France and Spain wanted to use emergency powers to approve vaccines but were talked down by Brussels who wanted the bloc to move together

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Denver]

The EU are angry because the UK have shown we can set up a better vaccine deal, faster now that they are out of the EU. It's about the only thing we have done better :laugh:

It shows their true colours threatening to block exports of vaccines already paid for because they are clueless

[Nicky91]

It shows their true colours threatening to block exports of vaccines already paid for because they are clueless

we cannot vaccinate right now all because of you guys

[Denver]

we cannot vaccinate right now all because of you guys

No blame yourself we brought a large number of doses so they are legally not allowed to stop that plus wasn't France against buying a large number number of vaccines because they wanted to use their own? Then throw a paddy when theirs was postponed by a year

[Nicky91]

also AstraZeneca isn't very effective compared to the other vaccines anyway

[Denver]

They will try to block it but still expect us to give them the Oxford ones

[Cherie]

we cannot vaccinate right now all because of you guys

AZ has not been approved by the EMA so if you cannot vaccinate with AZ so any lack of vaccination must currently be due to Pfizer issues which is the vaccine the EU has approved?

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/28/13/38591752-0-image-m-16_1611842375747.jpg

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/28/13/38591752-0-image-m-16_1611842375747.jpg

:joker: that picture and headline

[Zizu]

FFS

Vaccine BAN: Germany to stop giving AstraZeneca jab to over-65s in bombshell move.

Germany's vaccine committee made the announcement this afternoon, and said the AstraZeneca vaccine should only be given to people aged under 65. The update to its vaccine recommendation is due to lack of sufficient data to recommend use in older age groups, it said.

"The AstraZeneca vaccine, unlike the mRNA vaccines, should only be offered to people aged 18-64 years at each stage."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1390269/vaccine-EU-latest-astrezeneca-germany-over65s-oxford-vaccine-covid19/amp


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[MTVN]

Feels like we're building a very precarious house of cards right now

Imagine if all these vaccinations in the last month were basically for nothing :worry:

[Cherie]

FFS

Vaccine BAN: Germany to stop giving AstraZeneca jab to over-65s in bombshell move.

Germany's vaccine committee made the announcement this afternoon, and said the AstraZeneca vaccine should only be given to people aged under 65. The update to its vaccine recommendation is due to lack of sufficient data to recommend use in older age groups, it said.

"The AstraZeneca vaccine, unlike the mRNA vaccines, should only be offered to people aged 18-64 years at each stage."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1390269/vaccine-EU-latest-astrezeneca-germany-over65s-oxford-vaccine-covid19/amp


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Which kinda puts them at odds with Brussels demanding vaccines now when they are vaccinating the older cohort

[AnnieK]

Sounds a bit salty to me.....in the middle of the EU trying to flex their muscles for a vaccine they haven't approved and now are casting doubt over the efficacy :shrug:

[arista]

The EU have to come to our Courts on the Stand.

An expert said.

[Cherie]

Sounds a bit salty to me.....in the middle of the EU trying to flex their muscles for a vaccine they haven't approved and now are casting doubt over the efficacy :shrug:

It does seem very convenient, and if the EMA have the final approval why is Germany jumping the gun...all very odd and feels political

[Cherie]

EMA expected to approve AZ for use in all ages tomorrow

Germany have secured their own supply of German based Pfizer

[Zizu]

EMA expected to approve AZ for use in all ages tomorrow







Yes that is what I heard earlier... although Germany will stand by their decision to only give AstraZenica to their UNDER 65s ..


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[MTVN]

UK phase three trials of the experimental Novavax COVID-19 vaccine have found it demonstrated 89.3% efficacy against the virus.

Preliminary analysis showed the new UK variant was detected in more than half of the coronavirus cases recorded in the trials, with the vaccine candidate shown to be 95.6% effective against the original strain and 85.6% effective against the variant.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency will start to assess the vaccination straight away.

The study involved more than 15,000 participants aged 18 to 84, with 27% aged over 65.

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An early stage study carried out on 4,400 people in South Africa has shown that the Novavax treatment has "significant clinical efficacy" against the South African variant of the virus.

The UK has already ordered 60 million vials of the vaccine which will be manufactured at the Fujifilm plant in Stockton-on-Tees.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-trials-show-experimental-novavax-coronavirus-vaccine-is-89-3-effective-12201756

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[LaLaLand]

The Novovax news is brilliant to hear - almost 90% effectiveness is incredible.

My sister (key worker who lives with us) is having her jab Monday, she found out today.

[Cherie]

The Novovax news is brilliant to hear - almost 90% effectiveness is incredible.

My sister (key worker who lives with us) is having her jab Monday, she found out today.

That’s brilliant, all the teaching and support staff from the special school I used to work at have been called as well

[Cherie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es2x5g1WMAUKYW4?format=jpg&name=small

Maybe she can give them the vaccine destined for Scotland :shrug:

[Cherie]

Nicola Sturgeon has said she will publish confidential data on the supply of coronavirus vaccines, despite Boris Johnson’s pleas for her to keep quiet. The Scottish First Minister said she would reveal the figures in response to claims she is failing to roll out the jab fast enough in her country. This lead to accusation of her siding with the EU, who are currently locked in a standoff with Britain over its supply of the vaccine made by Oxford and AstraZeneca. At a time when Brussels are demanding millions of the UK’s doses because deliveries of theirs were delayed, Sturgeon was called ‘deeply irresponsible’ by Scottish Tory leader Douglas Ross for putting her politics first.
During a visit to Scotland today, Boris Johnson said he favoured ‘maximum possible transparency’ but said Britain must ‘continue to have national security of supply’. It is feared revealing the details could aggravate tensions with the EU and other parts of the world and lead to supplies being diverted.




Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/28/nicola-sturgeon-threatens-to-publish-uk-vaccine-supply-figures-amid-row-with-eu-13984311/?ito=cbshare
Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/

[Nicky91]

don't trust AstraZeneca

you don't even know yet if that is very effective

[Mystic Mock]

The Novovax news is brilliant to hear - almost 90% effectiveness is incredible.

My sister (key worker who lives with us) is having her jab Monday, she found out today.

And it was made with Novo's help too.:dance:

Congratulations to your Sister btw.:)

[user104658]

Nicola Sturgeon has said she will publish confidential data on the supply of coronavirus vaccines, despite Boris Johnson’s pleas for her to keep quiet. The Scottish First Minister said she would reveal the figures in response to claims she is failing to roll out the jab fast enough in her country. This lead to accusation of her siding with the EU, who are currently locked in a standoff with Britain over its supply of the vaccine made by Oxford and AstraZeneca. At a time when Brussels are demanding millions of the UK’s doses because deliveries of theirs were delayed, Sturgeon was called ‘deeply irresponsible’ by Scottish Tory leader Douglas Ross for putting her politics first.

During a visit to Scotland today, Boris Johnson said he favoured ‘maximum possible transparency’ but said Britain must ‘continue to have national security of supply’. It is feared revealing the details could aggravate tensions with the EU and other parts of the world and lead to supplies being diverted.









Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/28/nicola-sturgeon-threatens-to-publish-uk-vaccine-supply-figures-amid-row-with-eu-13984311/?ito=cbshare

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/

Boris: *uses Covid vaccination schedule as petty anti-independence political propaganda*

Nicola: "I'll release the figures?"

Boris: "Hey! Stop putting your politics first!"

:bored: :idc:

[Cherie]

Boris: *uses Covid vaccination schedule as petty anti-independence political propaganda*

Nicola: "I'll release the figures?"

Boris: "Hey! Stop putting your politics first!"

:bored: :idc:

Bit different isn’t it? St Nicola is happy to upset the vaccine schedule and let people die for her own political ends :idc:

[Nicky91]

Bit different isn’t it? St Nicola is happy to upset the vaccine schedule and let people die for her own political ends :idc:

you need to know every bit of information about vaccines, so yes of course release those figures


where a mistake was made with AstraZeneca what we know nothing about

[Cherie]

you need to know every bit of information about vaccines, so yes of course release those figures


where a mistake was made with AstraZeneca what we know nothing about

Don’t worry about it, it’s not approved for use in the EU

[Ammi]

The Novovax news is brilliant to hear - almost 90% effectiveness is incredible.

My sister (key worker who lives with us) is having her jab Monday, she found out today.

...wonderful news with your sister, LaLa...:love:..

[Cherie]

UK phase three trials of the experimental Novavax COVID-19 vaccine have found it demonstrated 89.3% efficacy against the virus.

Preliminary analysis showed the new UK variant was detected in more than half of the coronavirus cases recorded in the trials, with the vaccine candidate shown to be 95.6% effective against the original strain and 85.6% effective against the variant.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency will start to assess the vaccination straight away.

The study involved more than 15,000 participants aged 18 to 84, with 27% aged over 65.

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An early stage study carried out on 4,400 people in South Africa has shown that the Novavax treatment has "significant clinical efficacy" against the South African variant of the virus.

The UK has already ordered 60 million vials of the vaccine which will be manufactured at the Fujifilm plant in Stockton-on-Tees.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-trials-show-experimental-novavax-coronavirus-vaccine-is-89-3-effective-12201756

This one came out of nowhere huh, wonder how many more vaccines are nearly there

[AnnieK]

you need to know every bit of information about vaccines, so yes of course release those figures


where a mistake was made with AstraZeneca what we know nothing about

What mistake was made?

[arista]

The Novovax news is brilliant to hear - almost 90% effectiveness is incredible.

My sister (key worker who lives with us) is having her jab Monday, she found out today.




[COVID-19: Fourth vaccine could be approved
in weeks as trial shows it is effective against UK variant
The extensive study showed that the Novavax jab
offered 86% protection against the
new British strain of COVID-19.]

A fourth COVID-19 vaccine could be approved
for use in the UK within weeks after
late-stage trials suggested it was 89% effective
in preventing coronavirus.
The prime minister has said the Novavax jab
is now going to be assessed by the Medicines
and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).
If approved, the vaccine would start to be rolled
out in the second half of 2021.
The UK has already ordered 60 million doses,
which are going to be manufactured in Stockton-on-Tees.
(Novavax is a USA brand)]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-fourth-vaccine-could-be-approved-in-weeks-as-trial-shows-it-is-effective-against-uk-variant-12201833

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

you need to know every bit of information about vaccines, so yes of course release those figures


where a mistake was made with AstraZeneca what we know nothing about

I personally agree we all should have all the information there is known about any and all of the vaccines.

It's odd to me that the Welsh First Minister was going to release figures.
Then Johnson's pressure has had him decide not to.

It's amazing then that because Sturgeon is still intending to do so, why that's playing politics or endangering lives just to relay figures and information.

Of course it will be overlooked as likely missed opportunities, the lives Johnson and his Ministers have lost unnecessarily via their incompetence.
As usual.

Sturgeon wasn't going to be the only one releasing figures, maybe there's room for debate on the other aspects of the story.

I have to again agree with the basic point and comment from TS.
Also your own above.
Your first line absolutely right.

Of course getting true figures and all relevant information has been totally lacking all through from the UK government.
One of the main criticisms levelled at it all through this pandemic across the board.

Except from the diehard Con supporters however across all media.

All vaccine news, should be positive and welcomed.
Plus congratulations to all who've put in endless efforts to get them.
Even to the government on it's ambitious plans of vaccination too.

However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't have all figures and information as to all the vaccines really.
With nothing withheld.

Why would anyone want information and figures withheld from the people who will be getting the vaccines?
Maybe that's the real question.
That perhaps Johnson should answer but as with all questions, he likely never will.
He seems possibly quite a control freak does Johnson.

[smudgie]

This one came out of nowhere huh, wonder how many more vaccines are nearly there

We heard about this one a fair time ago, but then it is being developed and manufactured on our doorstep.

[AnnieK]

I personally agree we all should have all the information there is known about any and all of the vaccines.

It's odd to me that the Welsh First Minister was going to release figures.
Then Johnson's pressure has had him decide not to.

It's amazing then that because Sturgeon is still intending to do so, why that's playing politics or endangering lives just to relay figures and information.

Of course it will be overlooked as likely missed opportunities, the lives Johnson and his Ministers have lost unnecessarily via their incompetence.
As usual.

Sturgeon wasn't going to be the only one releasing figures, maybe there's room for debate on the other aspects of the story.

I have to again agree with the basic point and comment from TS.
Also your own above.
Your first line absolutely right.

Of course getting true figures and all relevant information has been totally lacking all through from the UK government.
One of the main criticisms levelled at it all through this pandemic across the board.

Except from the diehard Con supporters however across all media.

All vaccine news, should be positive and welcomed.
Plus congratulations to all who've put in endless efforts to get them.
Even to the government on it's ambitious plans of vaccination too.

However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't have all figures and information as to all the vaccines really.
With nothing withheld.

Why would anyone want information and figures withheld from the people who will be getting the vaccines?
Maybe that's the real question.
That perhaps Johnson should answer but as with all questions, he likely never will.
He seems possibly quite a control freak does Johnson.

To be fair, and I am far from a Boris fan, he is trying to protect our own national vaccine scheme surely? The UK contract is none of the EUs business and if the roles were reversed there would be no transparency from them I'm sure. Nicola is well within her rights to release her own information as the leader of Scotland, I'm just not really sure why she feels the need to. The EU are effectively trying to reduce the UK supply which will impact on her citizens.

I may very well be missing something. From my understanding Nicola is going to share details of our contracts, I don't think we are withholding any info on efficacy or uptake but it feels to me very much like the EU is trying to bully AZ and the UK as they are bigger than us.

[Cherie]

To be fair, and I am far from a Boris fan, he is trying to protect our own national vaccine scheme surely? The UK contract is none of the EUs business and if the roles were reversed there would be no transparency from them I'm sure. Nicola is well within her rights to release her own information as the leader of Scotland, I'm just not really sure why she feels the need to. The EU are effectively trying to reduce the UK supply which will impact on her citizens.

I may very well be missing something. From my understanding Nicola is going to share details of our contracts, I don't think we are withholding any info on efficacy or uptake but it feels to me very much like the EU is trying to bully AZ and the UK as they are bigger than us.

In a nutshell, its about supply figures not efficacy

Are they asking Israel who have vaccinated 20% of their population with Pfizer for their supply contracts..nope

[arista]

Yes the Vaccine Supply went down around 20%
this week.

Lets hope next week we can get back on track.

[Cherie]

We heard about this one a fair time ago, but then it is being developed and manufactured on our doorstep.

ah right Smudge, I hadn't heard of it

[Denver]

2 British made vaccines who would have thought that aye

[arista]

Dr. Gregory Glenn
Research President at Novovax Inc
was on All Out Politics SkyNewsHD 11:01AM

He said he put his Company at risk
but was able to do tests in South Africa
and USA on tests of Variants.


60million doses ordered from the UK factory.
Now it needs, to get the Green light

[smudgie]

ah right Smudge, I hadn't heard of it

Yes, very local to us.
My middle sister was born in the town it is situated in.
Billingham is the town, part of the Stockton-On-Tees area.

Was on our local news when the government originally ordered the 60 million doses.

[Ammi]

...Annie Lennox films herself having the vaccine shot in an LA vaccine drive-thru....

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKj2KlJHNes/?utm_source=ig_embed

[bots]

you will note that the pfizer vaccine manufactured in europe is not able to honour it's commitments on delivery to europe, and yet the EU have said diddly squat about it

[Nicky91]

you will note that the pfizer vaccine manufactured in europe is not able to honour it's commitments on delivery to europe, and yet the EU have said diddly squat about it

no, but you can have one dose of pfizer and one dose of moderna because they are almost the same

[Ammi]

Johnson & Johnson one-dose Covid vaccine shown to work...



A fifth vaccine, made by the US company Johnson & Johnson, has shown efficacy against the coronavirus and could transform prospects for protecting both the UK and the rest of the world, because it needs only a single dose.

The vaccine, made by the US giant’s subsidiary Janssen, based in the Netherlands, was trialled in the UK – and the British government has bought 30m doses. The EU has ordered 400m doses.

The company said it had 72% efficacy in preventing Covid in the US but a lower rate of 66% was observed globally in the large trial conducted across three continents and against multiple variants.

The results of the trials have been much anticipated, because the Janssen vaccine can be given as a single injection. That means stocks will go further, and particularly in lower-income countries an immunisation programme will be easier as there is no need for a recall after three or 12 weeks.

Results recently published from early trials showed the vaccine triggered a good immune response. Just one shot induced neutralising antibody titers in 96% and T-cell responses in at least 80% of vaccinated volunteers. Some trials are investigating whether a second booster dose confers a useful benefit.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/janssen-one-dose-vaccine-shown-130638143.html

[Cherie]

no, but you can have one dose of pfizer and one dose of moderna because they are almost the same

No you cannot, you have to have the booster of the same jab you had initially

[Cherie]

you will note that the pfizer vaccine manufactured in europe is not able to honour it's commitments on delivery to europe, and yet the EU have said diddly squat about it

Indeed

[Nicky91]

No you cannot, you have to have the booster of the same jab you had initially

:conf: and i heard it differently last night that Pfizer, Moderna are more or less the same and that it doesn't matter if you got second jab with moderna if you got first jab with pfizer, in case that is necessary if you run out of one or the other

but UK's vaccination numbers i'll happily applaud for :clap1: :clap1:

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1355129761459269636

[Cherie]

:conf: and i heard it differently last night that Pfizer, Moderna are more or less the same and that it doesn't matter if you got second jab with moderna if you got first jab with pfizer, in case that is necessary if you run out of one or the other

but UK's vaccination numbers i'll happily applaud for :clap1: :clap1:

Maybe the advice has changed, not heard that it has

[Zizu]

no, but you can have one dose of pfizer and one dose of moderna because they are almost the same



I wouldn’t fancy that AT all !!


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[Zizu]

Johnson & Johnson one-dose Covid vaccine shown to work...







A fifth vaccine, made by the US company Johnson & Johnson, has shown efficacy against the coronavirus and could transform prospects for protecting both the UK and the rest of the world, because it needs only a single dose.



The vaccine, made by the US giant’s subsidiary Janssen, based in the Netherlands, was trialled in the UK – and the British government has bought 30m doses. The EU has ordered 400m doses.



The company said it had 72% efficacy in preventing Covid in the US but a lower rate of 66% was observed globally in the large trial conducted across three continents and against multiple variants.



The results of the trials have been much anticipated, because the Janssen vaccine can be given as a single injection. That means stocks will go further, and particularly in lower-income countries an immunisation programme will be easier as there is no need for a recall after three or 12 weeks.



Results recently published from early trials showed the vaccine triggered a good immune response. Just one shot induced neutralising antibody titers in 96% and T-cell responses in at least 80% of vaccinated volunteers. Some trials are investigating whether a second booster dose confers a useful benefit.



https://uk.yahoo.com/news/janssen-one-dose-vaccine-shown-130638143.html



Sounds promising especially as I heard they can apparently make billions of doses in a calendar year..

I’m not sure I’d fancy the 66% protection rate though ... doesn’t that equate to a 1 in 3 chance of failing ??


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[arista]

[USA Novavax says its COVID-19 vaccine was 89.3% effective in UK trials,
but less effective against South Africa variant]

[On Thursday, Novavax Inc. announced a trial
conducted in the UK found that its COVID-19 vaccine i
s nearly 90% effective in preventing infection.
The results from the trial suggest that the vaccine
offers protection against the more
contagious UK variant of COVID-19.
However, the company also found
that the vaccine was not as effective — just less
than 50% — in a smaller study in South Africa,
largely due to the presence of the B.1.351 variant.]


https://twitter.com/i/events/1354908446051581953

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es70FeOXEAEmkU_?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es70FeVXcAAHRqR?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es70FeXXYAE--vS?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es70FeOW8AMIJmk?format=jpg&name=small

[joeysteele]

Already those headlines are irrelevant and not true, as it's never been carried out and isn't to be either.

Thankfully so too and of course rightly.

[AnnieK]

Already those headlines are irrelevant and not true, as it's never been carried out and isn't to be either.

Thankfully so too and of course rightly.

I would imagine they won't be the morning headlines.....thankfully. The EU are playing a dangerous game though. As a remainer it saddens me to see the lengths they are.prepared to go

[joeysteele]

I would imagine they won't be the morning headlines.....thankfully. The EU are playing a dangerous game though. As a remainer it saddens me to see the lengths they are.prepared to go

Definitely they were very wrong on this to even think it.

I supported remain too but there was, and I said so, a good lot that needed to be sorted out and hopefully reformed as to the EU.

Power corrupts for sure.

[Vanessa]

Johnson & Johnson one-dose Covid vaccine shown to work...



A fifth vaccine, made by the US company Johnson & Johnson, has shown efficacy against the coronavirus and could transform prospects for protecting both the UK and the rest of the world, because it needs only a single dose.

The vaccine, made by the US giant’s subsidiary Janssen, based in the Netherlands, was trialled in the UK – and the British government has bought 30m doses. The EU has ordered 400m doses.

The company said it had 72% efficacy in preventing Covid in the US but a lower rate of 66% was observed globally in the large trial conducted across three continents and against multiple variants.

The results of the trials have been much anticipated, because the Janssen vaccine can be given as a single injection. That means stocks will go further, and particularly in lower-income countries an immunisation programme will be easier as there is no need for a recall after three or 12 weeks.

Results recently published from early trials showed the vaccine triggered a good immune response. Just one shot induced neutralising antibody titers in 96% and T-cell responses in at least 80% of vaccinated volunteers. Some trials are investigating whether a second booster dose confers a useful benefit.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/janssen-one-dose-vaccine-shown-130638143.html

This could be good for people less at risk.

[arista]

Already those headlines are irrelevant and not true, as it's never been carried out and isn't to be either.

Thankfully so too and of course rightly.


Yes but Newspaper Front pages
serve as a good record
of what was going on at 7 or 8PM last night.


Oxford AstraZeneca
have wording on the EU Contract that in a UK Court
would keep them stable
and win any legal battle.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/29/22/38653586-9203615-image-a-39_1611961149440.jpg
[France and Italy suffered further blows
to their vaccine rollouts yesterday
after US supplier Moderna said it could not
deliver the doses originally expected]

[bots]

The number of people in the UK who have received their first vaccine is 8,378,940 :clap1:

[Nicky91]

The number of people in the UK who have received their first vaccine is 8,378,940 :clap1:

and netherlands remains at 200.000 vaccinations


no one vaccinated today (out of protest that we can't get astrazeneca)

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtBEc8-XMAESbDY?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtBEc9FXIAIo-si?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/10558/production/_116740966_tele-nc.png

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtBbBhvW4AAvDLx?format=jpg&name=medium

[arista]

From today's Sunday Times.
(from BBC1HD Marr paper review)



The OxfordAstraZeneca Vaccine is brewed in Oxford & Keele
put into the small glass Vials
in Wrexham in Wales, but alot is sent to Germany
to be put into the Vials
then sent back to Oxford.

[arista]

https://i2-prod.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article19538697.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Coronavirus-Mon-Nov-30-2020.jpg


All the way to Germany
and back.

[arista]

Lucky 7.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/30/21/38679444-9205465-image-a-48_1612043347816.jpg

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Vanessa]

9 million, that is amazing. We can do this!

[Ammi]

The Wisconsin pharmacist who intentionally sabotaged hundreds of doses of the Moderna coronavirus vaccine because he thought COVID-19 was a hoax, also believes the earth is flat and the sky is actually a “shield put up by the Government to prevent individuals from seeing God.”


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/wisconsin-vaccine-saboteur-steven-brandenburg-193736813.html

[bots]

The Wisconsin pharmacist who intentionally sabotaged hundreds of doses of the Moderna coronavirus vaccine because he thought COVID-19 was a hoax, also believes the earth is flat and the sky is actually a “shield put up by the Government to prevent individuals from seeing God.”


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/wisconsin-vaccine-saboteur-steven-brandenburg-193736813.html

This type of crap is spreading to the UK fast, something has to be done

[Zizu]

The Wisconsin pharmacist who intentionally sabotaged hundreds of doses of the Moderna coronavirus vaccine because he thought COVID-19 was a hoax, also believes the earth is flat and the sky is actually a “shield put up by the Government to prevent individuals from seeing God.”





https://uk.yahoo.com/news/wisconsin-vaccine-saboteur-steven-brandenburg-193736813.html



Sounds like he’s been taking something that’s damaged him..


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[Cherie]

This type of crap is spreading to the UK fast, something has to be done

close down FB for starters :laugh:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtLUYM8U4AEz5U5?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Yesterdays.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtKbl8rXUAA894r?format=jpg&name=medium

[Cherie]

More than 100 million Covid-19 vaccines have been given around the world, an AFP tally from official sources found today.

But none of the world's 29 poorest countries has formally started mass vaccination drives, while the richest nations have given more than two-thirds of jabs administered.

Israel leads the race by far, with 37% of its population having received at least one dose, while more than a fifth have already got their second.

Yet more than a third of humanity (35%) live in countries where vaccination has yet to begin.

After Israel, the countries that have given the most doses are in North America, Europe and the Persian Gulf.

The UK heads this group in per capita terms with shots given to 13.7% of its people, ahead of the US (32.2 million shots to 7.9%).

The European Union has been clashing bitterly with AstraZeneca over access to supplies of its vaccine, with only 12.7 million shots given to 2.3% of its people.

China by contrast has given 24 million shots, while India - where many of the vaccines are made - has given only four million to a tiny percentage of its vast population.

The EU's best performing countries are tiny Malta (5.4%), Denmark (3.2%) and Poland (3.1%).

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The UK's nearest competitor in Europe is Serbia, which is also outside the bloc.

It has given the Chinese Sinopharm and Russia's Sputnik V jabs to 6.2% of its population.

The EU has vowed to continue discussion with pharmaceutical company AstraZeneca for increasing vaccine supply following the company's promise to deliver nine million additional doses in the first quarter of this year to the EU nations, said a spokesperson for the European Commission said yesterday.

The spokesperson said AstraZeneca's promise to increase its vaccine supply to the EU is constructive, but the amount is not what they expected to deliver at the end of the first quarter of this year, so the discussion will keep on.

On Sunday, the European Commission held a video conference with representatives of a number of pharmaceutical companies to discuss the rapid development and production of vaccines against the mutated new coronavirus.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen announced the same day that "AstraZeneca will deliver 9 million additional doses in the first quarter (40 million in total) ".

AstraZeneca announced in January that due to production restrictions and other issues, only 31 million doses of vaccines could be delivered to the EU in the first quarter of this year, which is much less than the promised quota of 80 million doses.

The AstraZeneca was the first vaccine producer that the EU has signed an early purchase agreement with in the effort to prevent the Covid-19 from further spread.

According to the agreement signed last August, the European Commission, on behalf of the EU states, purchased 300 million doses, with an option to buy 100 million more.

The AstraZeneca vaccine was approved for conditional marketing in the EU on Friday, after the European Medicines Agency gave a positive assessment for its safety and effectiveness. It was the the third Covid-19 vaccine greenlighted by the EU.

As the world is struggling to contain the pandemic, vaccination is being rolled out across the whole EU with the already-authorized coronavirus vaccines.

Meanwhile, 236 candidate vaccines are still being developed worldwide - 63 of them in clinical trials - in countries including Germany, China, Russia, Britain and the United States, according to information released by the WHO on 26 January.

With the World Health Organization lamenting that "rich countries are rolling out vaccines while least-developed countries watch and wait," 101,317,005 jabs had been given in 77 mostly wealthy countries and territories, AFP's count found.

Some rich countries, however, have yet to start vaccinating, including Japan, South Korea and Australia, which have managed to contain the pandemic with strict border controls and quarantines.

The first deliveries of the WHO's Covax scheme to share shots more fairly are due begin this month. So far only Guinea has benefited, with only a few dozen given in a pilot trial.

There are currently seven vaccines circulating around the world, all designed to be given in two doses.
The vaccines developed by Pfizer-BioNTech (US-German) and Moderna (US) are dominant in North America, Europe, Israel and the Gulf.

Britain's AstraZeneca-Oxford is used in much of the UK and India, Myanmar, Sri Lanka and Morocco, and is soon to be rolled out in Europe.

India also uses a homegrown vaccine produced by Bharat Biotech.

Russia's Sputnik V vaccine has been rolled out in Russia, Argentina, Algeria, Belarus and Serbia.

China's Sinopharm jabs are being administered in China, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Serbia the Seychelles and Jordan, while Indonesia and Turkey are using China's Sinovac vaccine.

China's Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines and Russia's Sputnik V jab have yet to be fully approved by either Beijing or Moscow's health authorities.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0202/1194498-covid19-world/

[user104658]

Here's a big part of the issue;

Covid mainly presents as severe in people over the age of 65, and the vast, VAST majority of Covid deaths are in that age category as well. Thus, covid will "appear" by the numbers to be "more widespread" in affluent countries where

A) There is an older population to present severe symptoms,

B) There will be a much higher number of deaths because of age profile (to be blunt, 80 year olds aren't really a thing in the first place in the poorest countries)

C) There is unlikely to be widescale testing for people with milder symptoms not requiring treatment in poor countries, those people will just go about their day and recover in 1 - 2 weeks.

In short, these countries will likely NEVER be flagged as huge hot spots, because they simply DO NOT HAVE an elderly population to be severely affected and thus their death rates will never shoot upwards.


Why this is a problem -

The West will have full-coverage vaccination programmes that are likely to be effective in stamping out current strains and numbers will go way down. However in the meantime, the virus is still circulating "quietly" (mild symptoms/asymptomatic) in other parts of the world... which means potential for mutations... which then enter vaccinated countries and (potentially) cause more infections. The vaccines now that they exist can be fairly rapidly altered for a new strain and rolled out again - however it is a bit of a "repeating forever" situation... wide vaccine coverage in poorer countries is simply NOT going to happen. Funds and logistics aside, they simply don't have the infrastructure... it's a practical impossibility.

Essentially I think we're looking at monitoring new strains and seasonal vaccination of the elderly and vulnerable for the foreseeable future until natural immunity builds in the 2/3 of the global population that probably isn't going to get within sniffing distance of a vaccine.

[arista]

TS

[A mutation of the Kent variant detected in some
samples could help the virus evade the immune
system, scientists have found.

The mutation, which has been labelled E484K,
has also been found in the South Africa variant
of the coronavirus.
It was found in 11 samples of some
200,000 that have been sequenced.

SkyNews science correspondent Thomas Moore said it
was a "worrying development" as it could mean
those previously infected could be re-infected
and could reduce the effectiveness of COVID vaccines.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-mutation-of-kent-variant-detected-in-samples-could-help-virus-evade-immune-system-12206375

[Ammi]

...this has always been the worry with the variants...it’s been impossible to say for sure that the vaccines will still be effective because so much is still unknown as to how the virus will mutate and how quickly...

[Cherie]

urgh it's one step forward and one back, but i believe science will find a way

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtFkG_9XcAA8GoD?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Russia's Sputnik V Vaccine
on stage 3, has a 92% efficacy in trial.


All media.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55900622

[Cherie]

Russia's Sputnik V Vaccine
on stage 3, has a 92% efficacy in trial.


All media.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55900622

Isn’t that the one that AZ are combining trials on?

[user104658]

Russia's Sputnik V Vaccine
on stage 3, has a 92% efficacy in trial.


All media.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55900622

Watch Russia's vaccine be the most effective, and first released by a mile, but no one wanted to buy it from them because "yuck Russia" :whistle:

[arista]

Vaccine's in the UK reach 10.1million now.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtQeMVjVgAEAFVm?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtQekJjUUAIDixM?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtQei4vVcAEBGsS?format=jpg&name=small

[DouglasS]

Some good news :clap1:

Just to clarify about the Oxford job, not poor Captain Tom

[Zizu]

TS

[A mutation of the Kent variant detected in some
samples could help the virus evade the immune
system, scientists have found.

The mutation, which has been labelled E484K,
has also been found in the South Africa variant
of the coronavirus.
It was found in 11 samples of some
200,000 that have been sequenced.

SkyNews science correspondent Thomas Moore said it
was a "worrying development" as it could mean
those previously infected could be re-infected
and could reduce the effectiveness of COVID vaccines.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-mutation-of-kent-variant-detected-in-samples-could-help-virus-evade-immune-system-12206375



Thoughts on these developments ??


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[LaLaLand]

Thoughts on these developments ??


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Terrifying, in all honesty.

[Cherie]

Thoughts on these developments ??


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could and might are what I am getting from that..

[Nicky91]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtFkG_9XcAA8GoD?format=jpg&name=small

lovely cartoon :love: thx for posting this arista

[user104658]

could and might are what I am getting from that..I agree, it's a wait-and-see. There were all sorts of horrifying "new revelations" throughout last year and while some of them became a concern, many also came to nothing.

[Cherie]

I agree, it's a wait-and-see. There were all sorts of horrifying "new revelations" throughout last year and while some of them became a concern, many also came to nothing.

You can really see the glass half full/half empty people on this thread

The big news on this page is that AZ reduces transmission and that is a fact :laugh:

[Zizu]

You can really see the glass half full/half empty people on this thread



The big news on this page is that AZ reduces transmission and that is a fact :laugh:



Yes ... so presumably the others will also reduce transmission as well to varying degrees at least


EDIT
I’ve just read that there are well over 200 other vaccines in development .. although I’m not sure why we will need so many different vaccines ... I thought the more vaccines equated to the possibility of more mutations ???

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[Nicky91]

You can really see the glass half full/half empty people on this thread

The big news on this page is that AZ reduces transmission and that is a fact :laugh:

reduces transmission is not good enough, something with uncertainty we cannot give to 65+

[Zizu]

reduces transmission is not good enough, something with uncertainty we cannot give to 65+



I thought scientists were sure it covered over 65s it’s just that there isn’t enough conclusive data to prove it at the moment .. that’s not the same as saying it WAS ineffective for over 65s


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[AnnieK]

reduces transmission is not good enough, something with uncertainty we cannot give to 65+

What difference do you really think age makes? Someone who is 64 is necessarily more resilient than someone who is 65 :shrug:

The vaccine will stop people becoming gravely ill in most cases and if it reduces transmission too thats a bonus surely

[AnnieK]

I thought scientists were sure it covered over 65s it’s just that there isn’t enough conclusive data to prove it at the moment .. that’s not the same as saying it WAS ineffective for over 65s


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They are zizu....the EU are just being salty imo. The data is there, just not as much as for other age groups.

[Nicky91]

What difference do you really think age makes? Someone who is 64 is necessarily more resilient than someone who is 65 :shrug:

The vaccine will stop people becoming gravely ill in most cases and if it reduces transmission too thats a bonus surely

true, but now also France's Macron has said AZ is basically 'ineffective'

now not just germany anymore but 3 countries now whom are against AZ


and let that be the one UK has been vaccinations loads of its people with :skull:

[AnnieK]

true, but now also France's Macron has said AZ is basically 'ineffective'

now not just germany anymore but 3 countries now whom are against AZ


and let that be the one UK has been vaccinations loads of its people with :skull:

And just how is Macron qualified to make that statement?

Is he more qualified than the scientists the EU trust who have approved the vaccine? The EU who have bought millions of doses of it?

But yeah believe the French president who is pissed off that his own country's vaccine has been delayed as it doesn't work.

And what do you mean by your last sentence? You actually want UK citizens to be vaccinated with an ineffective vaccine?

[Cherie]

true, but now also France's Macron has said AZ is basically 'ineffective'

now not just germany anymore but 3 countries now whom are against AZ


and let that be the one UK has been vaccinations loads of its people with :skull:

Politics Nicky, politics...

Why are the EU screaming for it...who are you trusting now the EMA or Macron...with all his vaccine knowledge :skull:

[Cherie]

And just how is Macron qualified to make that statement?

Is he more qualified than the scientists they EU trust who have approved the vaccine? The EU who have bought millions of doses of it?

But yeah believe the French president who is pissed off that his own country's vaccine has been delayed as it doesn't work.

oh snap Annie

Its clear Macron is pissed... he put all his eggs in his own basket and it didn't work, he really is a nasty piece of work at times

[Mystic Mock]

true, but now also France's Macron has said AZ is basically 'ineffective'

now not just germany anymore but 3 countries now whom are against AZ


and let that be the one UK has been vaccinations loads of its people with :skull:

The EU are just being petty in this situation imo.

[arista]

French Leader Macron
needs a Chris Whitty type person
to advise him.

[Nicky91]

And just how is Macron qualified to make that statement?

Is he more qualified than the scientists the EU trust who have approved the vaccine? The EU who have bought millions of doses of it?

But yeah believe the French president who is pissed off that his own country's vaccine has been delayed as it doesn't work.

And what do you mean by your last sentence? You actually want UK citizens to be vaccinated with an ineffective vaccine?

no, i most definitely don't

and i myself would also like to know everything before i get some rubbish inside of me

[AnnieK]

no, i most definitely don't

and i myself would also like to know everything before i get some rubbish inside of me

Then why believe Macron over the EU scientists

[Nicky91]

Then why believe Macron over the EU scientists

i don't trust the EU scientists either

AZ has lesser effectiveness than a Pfizer, Moderna so i'd rather we vaccinate 65+ group with one of those two, especially Moderna which is said to be more for elderly anyway

[Cherie]

i don't trust the EU scientists either

AZ has lesser effectiveness than a Pfizer, Moderna so i'd rather we vaccinate 65+ group with one of those two, especially Moderna which is said to be more for elderly anyway

They can only guage effectiveness on the cohort that took part in the trials, the real figure for ANY of the vaccines will come when it is rolled out in the gen pop.

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210203/top-german-virologist-warns-against-relying-on-covid-19-vaccine-protection-until-easter

Professor Doctor Drosten, top german virologist warns against relying on covid-19 vaccine protection until Easter

[Zizu]

true, but now also France's Macron has said AZ is basically 'ineffective'



now not just germany anymore but 3 countries now whom are against AZ





and let that be the one UK has been vaccinations loads of its people with :skull:



I’ve never met the guy but I’ve always had the impression that he is an Imbecile of the highest order ..


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[Zizu]

French Leader Macron
needs a Chris Whitty type person
to advise him.



Can we not send him this guy ..

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtVjzA_U0AIVjJR?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtVjzA_UUAAcvFe?format=jpg&name=small

[Cherie]

The UK is today launching a 'mix and match' vaccine trial to test whether doses of the AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines can be effectively combined.
The trial - said to be the world's first - will investigate the immune responses of an initial jab of the Pfizer vaccine followed by a booster of AstraZeneca's, as well as vice versa, with intervals of 4 and 12 weeks.
Researchers said data on vaccinating people with the two different types of coronavirus vaccines could help understand whether jabs could be rolled out with greater flexibility around the world.
Recruitment for the study began today, with more than 800 participants expected to take part, researchers said, across eight different sites across England, including London, Birmingham and Liverpool

Source:The Mirror

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Cherie]

The WHO will reconsider the gap between first and second dose based on data that efficacy is increased with a bigger gap

David Nabarro WHO on Sophie Ridge

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/07/01/38786024-9232411-image-a-4_1612660854215.jpg

[arista]

1358352931435802625

[Zizu]

The WHO will reconsider the gap between first and second dose based on data that efficacy is increased with a bigger gap

David Nabarro WHO on Sophie Ridge



I wonder about the WHO ... the more I hear about them the less I take them seriously


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[Zizu]

....

[Vanessa]

I booked my vaccine for Tuesday afternoon.
Can't miss classic EastEnders :laugh:
I'm nervous and excited!

[Zizu]

Sadly I have zero confidence in anything Nadhim Zahawi the Vaccines Minister actually says ..


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[AnnieK]

Sadly I have zero confidence in anything Nadhim Zahawi the Vaccines Minister actually says ..


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Why's that Zizu?

[Vicky.]

My dads apparently booked in for friday now :)

[Ammi]

The WHO will reconsider the gap between first and second dose based on data that efficacy is increased with a bigger gap

David Nabarro WHO on Sophie Ridge

...following on...

UK's Decision To Delay Second Covid Vaccine Dose 'Vindicated', Says WHO Envoy

The UK’s decision to delay giving a second vaccine dose has so far been ”vindicated”, the World Health Organisation’s (WHO) special envoy on Covid-19 has said.

David Nabarro said the vaccine rollout in the UK had been a “great lesson for the rest off the world”.

Certainly what’s happening with this virus is we are leaning all the time,” he told Sky News’ Sophy Ridge on Sunday programme. “Thank you British scientists.”

“Isn’t it wonderful it has turned out, as a result of the UK’s bravery frankly, that this extended interval seems to be associated with even greater protection.”

He added: “Yes I think the UK’s approach, so far, has been vindicated.”


...full article...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/uk-covid-vaccine-delay-world-health-organisation-105457353.html

[Zizu]

Presumably the numbers of people getting their first and vital first jab will soon slow down considerably given we will soon have to start giving out millions of second jabs ?


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[Zizu]

I keep hearing radio adverts asking blokes to give Plasma but it’s not something I’ve heard mention in the daily briefings or in this thread !?!

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: testing and vaccination centres reopening today again, but people should decide themselves if they want to come through the dangerous snowstorm (advice is to stay at home at a code orange)

[arista]

Netherlands: testing and vaccination centres reopening today again, but people should decide themselves if they want to come through the dangerous snowstorm (advice is to stay at home at a code orange)

Snow should not stop it.
Your a flat nation.

[Vicky.]

I keep hearing radio adverts asking blokes to give Plasma but it’s not something I’ve heard mention in the daily briefings or in this thread !?!

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The plasma thing was something I thought might work very early on in this. Basically, give your antibodies to others via blood. I was told that was science fiction and couldn't possibly work. So to hear this now, makes me feel good tbh..

[Vicky.]

(Unless the plasma is for other reasons!)

[Zizu]

The plasma thing was something I thought might work very early on in this. Basically, give your antibodies to others via blood. I was told that was science fiction and couldn't possibly work. So to hear this now, makes me feel good tbh..



I wonder why it’s never mentioned by the government.. the advert bleating says the plasma is needed to combat Covid19


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[Cherie]

I wonder why it’s never mentioned by the government.. the advert bleating says the plasma is needed to combat Covid19


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It used to be mentioned in the early days, think Matty Hanny has had his sleeve up for it

[Vanessa]

I'm pretty confident that we will have a great summer.
The vaccine will help to get some kind of normality back.

[Vicky.]

It used to be mentioned in the early days, think Matty Hanny has had his sleeve up for it

Is it an antibody thing? So preventative? Feel a bit dog with a bone now off being told I am talking in science fiction months back when theorizing if this would help, if it turns out thats actually whats going on...

Or is it, like it depletes plasma when attacking body so its a replace plasma for treatment thing?

I assume the focus seems to be on men giving plasma,. as women who have been pregnant, if they give blood and it goes to a man, it can be dangerous as ****? Or maybe, women give blood more, so they need men, or something..

Internet tells me ****e (searched plasma covid and was taken to a 'covid is a hoax' place for ****s sake). I prefer you as you seem well versed in it all!

I swear theres a virus on my laptop? Because I don seem to get the 'most hits' response anymore when searching, and instead get random crap half the time?! Malwarebytes says I am clear though..odd.

[bots]

Is it an antibody thing? So preventative? Feel a bit dog with a bone now off being told I am talking in science fiction months back when theorizing if this would help, if it turns out thats actually whats going on...

Or is it, like it depletes plasma when attacking body so its a replace plasma for treatment thing?

I assume the focus seems to be on men giving plasma,. as women who have been pregnant, if they give blood and it goes to a man, it can be dangerous as ****? Or maybe, women give blood more, so they need men, or something..

Internet tells me ****e (searched plasma covid and was taken to a 'covid is a hoax' place for ****s sake). I prefer you as you seem well versed in it all!

I swear theres a virus on my laptop? Because I don seem to get the 'most hits' response anymore when searching, and instead get random crap half the time?! Malwarebytes says I am clear though..odd.

There were some trials using plasma at the early stages last year, but it reportedly had mixed results.

However, the concept has been refined, and there are drugs now available such as regeneron in the USA and there are equivalents now being made and trialed here. They are refined anti body cocktails basically, so the same principle as plasma, but with highly concentrated anti bodies that can fight covid. However, (and i think this is why plasma has limited use) The anti body treatment has to be given right at the start when covid symptoms have just developed. In those circumstances, it gives the body a boost to fight covid off before it can do so much damage. It is much less effective once covid has taken hold properly.

[Vicky.]

The WHO will reconsider the gap between first and second dose based on data that efficacy is increased with a bigger gap

David Nabarro WHO on Sophie Ridge

Just noticed this.

I read this as..effectiveness might be increased the longer it takes for the second dose? Is that right?

If so, thats a great thing surely? Though..a bit egg on face for the people who made them, who seemed to be saying the gap was important to be as long as in their trial? Though I guess, their point stands too, the efficacy will only be what they said, if the gaps are the same as in trials..basically? Efficacy (which I read as effectiveness?) being better for longer gaps is great news all round really, if it turs out to be true.

The sciencey stuff behind this proper fascinates me tbh. Have read so many papers and that, not understod much of it as its..science speak, but understood largely I think. This was more at the start of it all though, before I became massively fatigued by the word covid.

[Vicky.]

There were some trials using plasma at the early stages last year, but it reportedly had mixed results.

However, the concept has been refined, and there are drugs now available such as regeneron in the USA and there are equivalents now being made and trialed here. They are refined anti body cocktails basically, so the same principle as plasma, but with highly concentrated anti bodies that can fight covid. However, (and i think this is why plasma has limited use) The anti body treatment has to be given right at the start when covid symptoms have just developed. In those circumstances, it gives the body a boost to fight covid off before it can do so much damage. It is much less effective once covid has taken hold properly.
regeneron

Wasnt that what people laughed at trump for using (with no medical proof, iirc)?!

Am sure I remember it from that..

My theory, as a non scientist, was, if you give people plasma with antibodies, before they even get covid, would that not be effectively a vaccine? I know t-cell response is whats important really, not antibodies, BUT, if the antibodies were introduced in someone who hasnt fought off covid, would their t cells maybe..respond and learn to recognise covid in the future? That was the exact thing I was told was science fiction.

The antibody thing fascinated me so much I got 2 antibody tests privately you know. The news was adamant, that antibodies only last 3 months. I got one 5 months after covid (first was 2 months or so after covid..positive), and apparently still had them. Either mine last longer than most, I got covid again and didnt know, or the superdrug tests are off. Was my conclusions from that! 160 quid down, felt silly being 'curious' when harder times hit like! :joker:

[Vicky.]

Kinda wish I could keep up with the sciencey side, without all the scaremongering crap in the media. But its hard I have found, to follow one without the other (I stopped when a bunch of the papers I read were from a 'omg plague or not?!' type angle..when it was clear by that point that it was NOT this massive scourge of humanity thing, even science is influenced by media, it appears sadly). The stuff I have learnt about virus behaviour, cross species diseases, biolabs ( :eek: ) and their..mistakes in the past..loads of stuff really that I would never have even thought about without this. I love finding something interesting to focus on like. Slight shame that this thing to focus on is killing so many like, but..its still interesting!

[bots]

regeneron

Wasnt that what people laughed at trump for using (with no medical proof, iirc)?!

Am sure I remember it from that..



i think you are thinking of the anti malaria treatment that Trump was trying to get everyone to take :laugh: Regeneron was given to trump by hospital staff when he caught covid and it probably saved his life

[Vicky.]

i think you are thinking of the anti malaria treatment that Trump was trying to get everyone to take :laugh: Regeneron was given to trump by hospital staff when he caught covid and it probably saved his life

Hmm maybe. I for some reason associate regeneron with trump and his miracle cures. Odd.

I found myself in an odd position..with the trump thing and covid. When he said, the way to get low covid stats, was to stop testing as much...I saw his logic? And said so. Ad got massively attacked by a load of people calling me a fascist and stuff! Was an odd experience for sure. I didnt say he was RIGHT in that being an answer..I simply sad his logic is sound, less tests done..less positive tests.

Seemed logical really. Like when we started mass testing, numbers shot up. More testing, will find more positive cases?!

The attacks made me totally rethink a lot of my 'debating styles' actually. I should have learnt from being on the 'bigot' side of the womens rights debate. And facing off with many 'lefties' due to that, being written off as a right wing bigot..when am probably more left wing than those arguing with me. But the Trump thing, I was unprepared for I have to say. I used to laugh at those who claimed that some would disagree with ANYTHING the orange one said, even if it made sense, and will attack anyone who agrees, even with sensible things. Thought it was bull. It..wasn't :laugh:

Waffling again. Sorry. Post WAY too much when..socially lubricated, should I say..

[Amy Jade]

My step dad took my Nan because my mum was working and they offered him the jab on the spot because they had spares tonight

[Vicky.]

My step dad took my Nan because my mum was working and they offered him the jab on the spot because they had spares tonight

Thats good news, apparently they were just chucking the spares early on, so glad they are finding use for them

[Zizu]

Why's that Zizu?



He just appears to be completely inept whenever I see him on telly or hear him on the radio ...


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[Zizu]

Sky News running the story that the WHO are about to endorse the AstraZenica vaccine for ALL adult age groups ..


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[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Give

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[Vicky.]

Well the apparent growing threat of nerve gas attacks has really gave me something to be positive about today, brilliant :umm2:

[Nicky91]

Netherlands total of vaccinated people as of today 504.736

we're slowly getting there


and this friday the first people to be vaccinated (care workers) with AstraZeneca

[Vanessa]

I had the vaccine this afternoon.
It didn't hurt, just a little pressure when they give it.
My arm hurt a little, but I feel perfectly fine.
It was very well organized and everyone was so kind.
I was very nervous, but they put me at ease.

[Kate!]

I had the vaccine this afternoon.
It didn't hurt, just a little pressure when they give it.
My arm hurt a little, but I feel perfectly fine.
It was very well organized and everyone was so kind.
I was very nervous, but they put me at ease.

Well done Vanessa. Proud of you xx

[Vanessa]

Well done Vanessa. Proud of you xx

The centre is in Wembley Park, close to the stadium.
I love that place !

[AnnieK]

I had the vaccine this afternoon.
It didn't hurt, just a little pressure when they give it.
My arm hurt a little, but I feel perfectly fine.
It was very well organized and everyone was so kind.
I was very nervous, but they put me at ease.

Great news Ness.....:love:

[smudgie]

I had the vaccine this afternoon.
It didn't hurt, just a little pressure when they give it.
My arm hurt a little, but I feel perfectly fine.
It was very well organized and everyone was so kind.
I was very nervous, but they put me at ease.

Brilliant Vanessa, pleased they put you at ease.

[Cherie]

I had the vaccine this afternoon.
It didn't hurt, just a little pressure when they give it.
My arm hurt a little, but I feel perfectly fine.
It was very well organized and everyone was so kind.
I was very nervous, but they put me at ease.

Super news

[Ammi]

I had the vaccine this afternoon.
It didn't hurt, just a little pressure when they give it.
My arm hurt a little, but I feel perfectly fine.
It was very well organized and everyone was so kind.
I was very nervous, but they put me at ease.

...that’s such wonderful news, Vanessa...we need that right now and I’m thrilled for you...:love:...

[bots]

I had the vaccine this afternoon.
It didn't hurt, just a little pressure when they give it.
My arm hurt a little, but I feel perfectly fine.
It was very well organized and everyone was so kind.
I was very nervous, but they put me at ease.

wait a few weeks before you strut down the street taking deep breaths and waving at everyone :laugh:

[Cherie]

WHO vaccine experts have said that the AstraZeneca-Oxford Covid-19 vaccine could be used for people aged over 65, and also in settings where variants of the virus are circulating.

The 15-member Strategic Advisory Group of Experts on Immunization (SAGE) issued a range of interim recommendations for when and how to use the two-shot vaccine, which has yet to receive emergency use authorisation from the World Health Organization.

The announcement came after the vaccine has suffered several setbacks, raising questions about whether it was appropriate to use it for older people, or in places where a variant of the virus first found in South Africa is circulating.

SAGE chief Alejandro Cravioto acknowledged that there was a lack of data on the efficacy of the vaccine for people over the age of 65, which has prompted a number of countries to recommend against its use in older people.

But, he told journalists, "we feel that the response of this group cannot be any different from groups of a younger age".

SAGE, he said, recommends "for the vaccine to be used for 18 years and above without an upper age limit."

The experts also said they had discussed the effectiveness of the vaccine when faced with a range new variants of concern of the coronavirus, and in particular the one first spotted in South Africa.

The country has decided to put off using AstraZeneca jabs in a planned vaccination programme over concerns about their efficacy against the prominent virus variant in the country.

Alarm was raised when a trial at Johannesburg's University of Witwatersrand concluded the AstraZeneca vaccine provided only "minimal" protection against mild to moderate Covid-19 caused by the variant.

That was bad news for many poorer nations counting on the greater accessibility, affordability and logistical advantages offered by the AstraZeneca shot.

But the WHO and its partners have cautioned against dismissing the vaccine, pointing to the small size and possibly problematic methodology of the South African study, insisting more data was needed.

And SAGE stressed today that the vaccine could also be used in places where "variants are present."

Read more coronavirus stories

Mr Cravioto stressed that "there is no reason not to recommend its use even in the countries that have the circulation of the variants".

The experts also reiterated their recommendation not to prioritise international travellers for vaccination.

"In the current period of very limited vaccine supply, preferential vaccination of international travellers would counter the principle of equity," they said.

SAGE, which advises the WHO on overall global vaccine policies and strategies, has already issued advice on the usage of the Pfizer-BioNTech and the Moderna vaccines.

UK-Swedish pharmaceuticals giant AstraZeneca's vaccine is currently a vital part of Covax, the system set up by WHO and others to procure Covid-19 jabs and ensure their equitable distribution around the world.

It accounts for the vast majority of the 337.2 million vaccine doses Covax is preparing to begin shipping to some 145 countries during the first half of the year, once it receives WHO authorisation.

The WHO is set to decide next week on whether to give the AstraZeneca vaccine emergency use authorisation for doses of the jab produced in India and South Korea.

If granted, doses from those sites could start to be distributed to some of the world's poorest countries via Covax.

So far, the WHO has only given emergency use listing to the Pfizer jab, though several other manufacturers have started the evaluation process, including AstraZeneca and Moderna

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0210/1196328-coronavirus-astrazeneca-vaccine-who/


The reason for the lack of data in over 65 is that many were at home shielding so unlikely to catch corona, they should have enlisted Piers Corbyn for the trial :laugh:

[Nicky91]

WHO vaccine experts have said that the AstraZeneca-Oxford Covid-19 vaccine could be used for people aged over 65, and also in settings where variants of the virus are circulating.

The 15-member Strategic Advisory Group of Experts on Immunization (SAGE) issued a range of interim recommendations for when and how to use the two-shot vaccine, which has yet to receive emergency use authorisation from the World Health Organization.

The announcement came after the vaccine has suffered several setbacks, raising questions about whether it was appropriate to use it for older people, or in places where a variant of the virus first found in South Africa is circulating.

SAGE chief Alejandro Cravioto acknowledged that there was a lack of data on the efficacy of the vaccine for people over the age of 65, which has prompted a number of countries to recommend against its use in older people.

But, he told journalists, "we feel that the response of this group cannot be any different from groups of a younger age".

SAGE, he said, recommends "for the vaccine to be used for 18 years and above without an upper age limit."

The experts also said they had discussed the effectiveness of the vaccine when faced with a range new variants of concern of the coronavirus, and in particular the one first spotted in South Africa.

The country has decided to put off using AstraZeneca jabs in a planned vaccination programme over concerns about their efficacy against the prominent virus variant in the country.

Alarm was raised when a trial at Johannesburg's University of Witwatersrand concluded the AstraZeneca vaccine provided only "minimal" protection against mild to moderate Covid-19 caused by the variant.

That was bad news for many poorer nations counting on the greater accessibility, affordability and logistical advantages offered by the AstraZeneca shot.

But the WHO and its partners have cautioned against dismissing the vaccine, pointing to the small size and possibly problematic methodology of the South African study, insisting more data was needed.

And SAGE stressed today that the vaccine could also be used in places where "variants are present."

Read more coronavirus stories

Mr Cravioto stressed that "there is no reason not to recommend its use even in the countries that have the circulation of the variants".

The experts also reiterated their recommendation not to prioritise international travellers for vaccination.

"In the current period of very limited vaccine supply, preferential vaccination of international travellers would counter the principle of equity," they said.

SAGE, which advises the WHO on overall global vaccine policies and strategies, has already issued advice on the usage of the Pfizer-BioNTech and the Moderna vaccines.

UK-Swedish pharmaceuticals giant AstraZeneca's vaccine is currently a vital part of Covax, the system set up by WHO and others to procure Covid-19 jabs and ensure their equitable distribution around the world.

It accounts for the vast majority of the 337.2 million vaccine doses Covax is preparing to begin shipping to some 145 countries during the first half of the year, once it receives WHO authorisation.

The WHO is set to decide next week on whether to give the AstraZeneca vaccine emergency use authorisation for doses of the jab produced in India and South Korea.

If granted, doses from those sites could start to be distributed to some of the world's poorest countries via Covax.

So far, the WHO has only given emergency use listing to the Pfizer jab, though several other manufacturers have started the evaluation process, including AstraZeneca and Moderna

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0210/1196328-coronavirus-astrazeneca-vaccine-who/


The reason for the lack of data in over 65 is that many were at home shielding so unlikely to catch corona, they should have enlisted Piers Corbyn for the trial :laugh:

:suspect: why are WHO advocating AstraZeneca that much?

[Cherie]

13.5 million first doses given in UK now

519,000 second doses given

[Cherie]

Early unpublished data from PHE says Pfizer and AZ is showing a reduction in transmission of 65%

Antibodies kick in after 2 weeks in younger adults and 3 weeks in older adults

[Cherie]

1,000,000 vaccination given in Scotland today

[LaLaLand]

My Dad (70 next week) got the phone call this morning at 8 to go for his at the village surgery at 10 and has just come back - quick and easy. :clap2:

[Vanessa]

wait a few weeks before you strut down the street taking deep breaths and waving at everyone :laugh:

I will still be wearing.my mask and keeping distance.

[Cherie]

My Dad (70 next week) got the phone call this morning at 8 to go for his at the village surgery at 10 and has just come back - quick and easy. :clap2:

:love:

[Zizu]

My Dad (70 next week) got the phone call this morning at 8 to go for his at the village surgery at 10 and has just come back - quick and easy. :clap2:



Excellent


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[Zizu]

Sooooo .. slight tangent .. but you know all the thousands of people getting vaccinated daily ... presumably many must be already infected and are asymptotic ??

How does that effect them ??

Good , bad or indifferent ??


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[The Slim Reaper]

I had testers turn up at my door earlier, gave me a testing kit and said they'd pick it up after an hour (which they did), but it was all just a bit Gestapowy. They were on about the trying to get a handle the new variant, but I had no idea they were just rocking up at doors these days.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist so was happy to do the test, but even I was a bit weirded out by it.

[Cherie]

I had testers turn up at my door earlier, gave me a testing kit and said they'd pick it up after an hour (which they did), but it was all just a bit Gestapowy. They were on about the trying to get a handle the new variant, but I had no idea they were just rocking up at doors these days.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist so was happy to do the test, but even I was a bit weirded out by it.

You should watch the news rather than getting briefed on twatter :hehe:

[Cherie]

Sooooo .. slight tangent .. but you know all the thousands of people getting vaccinated daily ... presumably many must be already infected and are asymptotic ??

How does that effect them ??

Good , bad or indifferent ??


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It would boost their antibodies that is the answer Van Tam gave when asked if people needed to be vaccinated if they already had covid and recovered

[bots]

I had testers turn up at my door earlier, gave me a testing kit and said they'd pick it up after an hour (which they did), but it was all just a bit Gestapowy. They were on about the trying to get a handle the new variant, but I had no idea they were just rocking up at doors these days.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist so was happy to do the test, but even I was a bit weirded out by it.

the idea is that they try and test everyone in an area to see if there are any asymptomatic cases found that may have gone under the radar and be making the infection rate worse. But yes, someone randomly appearing at the door to take a sample is invading privacy a tad

[Cherie]

24.8% of adults have had first dose

[Zizu]

It would boost their antibodies that is the answer Van Tam gave when asked if people needed to be vaccinated if they already had covid and recovered



Would his answer cover the asymptotic ones who have it though .. not the ones who’d had it and recovered ??


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[Cherie]

Would his answer cover the asymptotic ones who have it though .. not the ones who’d had it and recovered ??


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Wouldnt it do the same thing? Encourage more antibodies :shrug:


IS IT SAFE TO VACCINATE (GIVE A SHOT TO) PEOPLE WHO ARE ASYMPTOMATIC CARRIERS?


There is no reason to think the vaccine (shot) would not work or would have negative effects if given to someone who has the virus but no symptoms. If symptoms develop a few days after the shot, they may be from the infection. The same thing happens every year with the flu.

[Zizu]

Wouldnt it do the same thing? Encourage more antibodies :shrug:


IS IT SAFE TO VACCINATE (GIVE A SHOT TO) PEOPLE WHO ARE ASYMPTOMATIC CARRIERS?


There is no reason to think the vaccine (shot) would not work or would have negative effects if given to someone who has the virus but no symptoms. If symptoms develop a few days after the shot, they may be from the infection. The same thing happens every year with the flu.



Thank you !


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[DouglasS]

24.8% of adults have had first dose

Government are doing fantastic, the U.K. has a world leading government in terms of their vaccine rollout. Other countries are following suit with the 12 week idea funnily enough (whilst everyone here was criticising at first..) Boris is now showing he is a leader not a follower and other governments are following suit now. Some mistakes may have been made early on but as far as 2021 goes they’re doing incredible

[Zizu]

Sky News Press Review just revealed that there are ‘currently’ 4,000 different Covid19 variants across the world !!!


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[jet]

Government are doing fantastic, the U.K. has a world leading government in terms of their vaccine rollout. Other countries are following suit with the 12 week idea funnily enough (whilst everyone here was criticising at first..) Boris is now showing he is a leader not a follower and other governments are following suit now. Some mistakes may have been made early on but as far as 2021 goes they’re doing incredible

They are. Well done. :dance:

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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: today first jab of AstraZeneca vaccine to be done

[AnnieK]

Netherlands: today first jab of AstraZeneca vaccine to be done

Good news Nicky...

[Samm]

Wales will hit the target today

[Cherie]

fair dues nobody expected the target to be anywhere near when they announced it I think

[Nicky91]

the specific group who will get AZ in Netherlands are age group of 60-64

and also people with down syndrome, and obese/overweight people

[Ammi]

...this is why it all gets so confusing as well because the U.K. government were being praised and ‘vindicated’ by The WHO only a few days ago...

COVID-19: Vaccine doses shouldn't be more than six weeks apart, scientist behind Pfizer-BioNTech jab says...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/covid-19-vaccine-doses-shouldnt-212300327.html

[user104658]

I had testers turn up at my door earlier, gave me a testing kit and said they'd pick it up after an hour (which they did), but it was all just a bit Gestapowy. They were on about the trying to get a handle the new variant, but I had no idea they were just rocking up at doors these days.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist so was happy to do the test, but even I was a bit weirded out by it.

The year is 2038. The Slim clones are nearing adulthood... their indoctrination to the cause, implanted during their long gestation, is strong. Soon it will be time for us to open the vats and unleash them on the world. Soon... soon.

[Cherie]

The year is 2038. The Slim clones are nearing adulthood... their indoctrination to the cause, implanted during their long gestation, is strong. Soon it will be time for us to open the vats and unleash them on the world. Soon... soon.

:joker:

[Nicky91]

EMA will begin their quick review on the german CureVac vaccine today

https://in-cyprus.philenews.com/ema-starts-rolling-review-of-curevacs-covid-19-vaccine-cvncov/

[arista]

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[Cherie]

Its mad that some areas are calling their over 50s :shocked:

[Cherie]

Clinical Trial of AZ vaccine to start on children 6 - 17

[James]

I had testers turn up at my door earlier, gave me a testing kit and said they'd pick it up after an hour (which they did), but it was all just a bit Gestapowy. They were on about the trying to get a handle the new variant, but I had no idea they were just rocking up at doors these days.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist so was happy to do the test, but even I was a bit weirded out by it.

the idea is that they try and test everyone in an area to see if there are any asymptomatic cases found that may have gone under the radar and be making the infection rate worse. But yes, someone randomly appearing at the door to take a sample is invading privacy a tad

I was just thinking how it's a bit strange for someone turning up at your door asking to stick something up your nose (if that's how they do it?).

[Cherie]

I was just thinking how it's a bit strange for someone turning up at your door asking to stick something up your nose (if that's how they do it?).

They leave the kit with you and say they will be back to collect, I don't really see it as any different to randomly collecting data by post as has been done all year tbh and I assume you can refuse

[Vicky.]

I was just thinking how it's a bit strange for someone turning up at your door asking to stick something up your nose (if that's how they do it?).

:laugh:

Seems gavin misheard about the trials on 6-18s...and was worried that all kids now have to have it. I mean, I feel its safe enough to do, but also..it seems quite pointless given data so far to do young young kids. 15-18 though should probably have it though. I would like to know how the clinical trials in kids has even happened though? As even meds used regularly in kids, are not usually licensed for kids as apparently there is ethics issues in doing trials in children? That would be interesting..

My dad got it yesterday, and got a ****ing sticker saying 'I had my covid vaccine' so hes in a bit of a mood about how patronising he found it :joker:

[Zizu]

Sky News running with latest development surrounding the Kent variant ... two virologists were rather concerned


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[Zizu]

Great news ... I got notified yesterday about an appointment for my first vaccine of Pfizer next Tuesday



Not so great news .. they just rang to cancel it and re-book it for a week later !?!

My anxiety levels are shocking now ...

Anyone else had their appointment cancelled/delayed ??


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[Cherie]

Great news ... I got notified yesterday about an appointment for my first vaccine of Pfizer next Tuesday



Not so great news .. they just rang to cancel it and re-book it for a week later !?!

My anxiety levels are shocking now ...

Anyone else had their appointment cancelled/delayed ??


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what they actually told you what vaccine you were getting, never heard that before!

My son got a text from the NHS this morning, he has to book it at his convenience

[Zizu]

what they actually told you what vaccine you were getting, never heard that before!



My son got a text from the NHS this morning, he has to book it at his convenience


Yeah , this was the heading ..
Confirmation of booking change for Patient Covid 19 Vaccination - 1st Pfizer Vaccine..

I’m wondering if there’s a shortage .. appointments are being cancelled in France and the States due to shortages ?

I’ve heard a few people who’ve received an appointment for a vaccine some distance away but then phoned the hotline and rebooked it at a closer , more convenient place ... how does that work though ... do they send ‘your’ vaccine to the new place ??

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[bots]

Some people can't travel to the big jab centres so they go to their local GP, so thats where the flexibility is. My GP is getting regular deliveries of vaccine and they have started on the 65+ group now, so things are moving along well

[Cherie]

Yeah , this was the heading ..
Confirmation of booking change for Patient Covid 19 Vaccination - 1st Pfizer Vaccine..

I’m wondering if there’s a shortage .. appointments are being cancelled in France and the States due to shortages ?

I’ve heard a few people who’ve received an appointment for a vaccine some distance away but then phoned the hotline and rebooked it at a closer , more convenient place ... how does that work though ... do they send ‘your’ vaccine to the new place ??

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Gosh! yeah I would say you could book online and get one nearer as you have now been called

[Cherie]

Hungary to start using Russian Sputnik V vac before approval by the bloc

https://www.euronews.com/2021/02/12/hungary-to-begin-using-russia-s-sputnik-v-vaccine-today

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[LaLaLand]

My Dad was really rough the night after his jab bless him. Flu-like symptoms (shivering, aches, headache etc) but was fine as the next day went on.

As he said though, better that than the possible alternative isn’t it if he were to catch the virus.

[Mystic Mock]

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That's great news.

[Zizu]

My Dad was really rough the night after his jab bless him. Flu-like symptoms (shivering, aches, headache etc) but was fine as the next day went on.

As he said though, better that than the possible alternative isn’t it if he were to catch the virus.



I saw a virologist today suggesting that if you get any side effects from the jab don’t treat them .. as it’s just your immune system doing it’s job .. so no painkillers.
He reckons you will get better immunity without them but didn’t explain why


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[user104658]

I saw a virologist today suggesting that if you get any side effects from the jab don’t treat them .. as it’s just your immune system doing it’s job .. so no painkillers.
He reckons you will get better immunity without them but didn’t explain why


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You shouldn't try to bring down a temp unless it becomes a concerning fever, because increased body temp is part of normal immune function. That applies to normal illness as well as vaccination. Common painkillers are also antipyretics (they bring down fever) so that is most likely why people are being told to avoid them if the side effects are minor.

I don't think anyone would recommend against taking painkillers if any pain goes beyond a mild discomfort, though.

[LaLaLand]

I saw a virologist today suggesting that if you get any side effects from the jab don’t treat them .. as it’s just your immune system doing it’s job .. so no painkillers.
He reckons you will get better immunity without them but didn’t explain why


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Well he didn’t take anything he was just feeling lousy for a night! Nothing major and it resolved really quickly.

On the flip side, both my great aunts (one 80 and one 91 both in poor general health) had theirs with absolutely no side effects whatsoever. Goes to show it’s different for everyone.

[Ammi]

...I know three people who had the vaccine last week...two of them were really quite poorly for a few days and the the other one was completely fine...that’s always been the way with the virus as well, though...some barely showing symptoms or showing none at all and others, it being very devastating for and sadly causing death for many...I wondered if how the vaccine worked for individuals in terms of short term side effects etc...would correlate in any way with if the virus had been contracted by that person ...more severe side effects/more severe virus symptoms and less severe vaccine side effects/more leaning toward a symptomatic had the virus been contracted...I have no idea if any truth in that and vaccines in general do tend to impact different body systems in different ways...anyways, all of them are so totally delighted to having had their first step ...:love:..

[Zizu]

You shouldn't try to bring down a temp unless it becomes a concerning fever, because increased body temp is part of normal immune function. That applies to normal illness as well as vaccination. Common painkillers are also antipyretics (they bring down fever) so that is most likely why people are being told to avoid them if the side effects are minor.

I don't think anyone would recommend against taking painkillers if any pain goes beyond a mild discomfort, though.



I think your last paragraph is a fair comment..


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[Zizu]

...I know three people who had the vaccine last week...two of them were really quite poorly for a few days and the the other one was completely fine...that’s always been the way with the virus as well, though...some barely showing symptoms or showing none at all and others, it being very devastating for and sadly causing death for many...I wondered if how the vaccine worked for individuals in terms of short term side effects etc...would correlate in any way with if the virus had been contracted by that person ...more severe side effects/more severe virus symptoms and less severe vaccine side effects/more leaning toward a symptomatic had the virus been contracted...I have no idea if any truth in that and vaccines in general do tend to impact different body systems in different ways...anyways, all of them are so totally delighted to having had their first step ...:love:..



Well the other virologist said that generally speaking anyone who’s previously had Covid will normally have some varying side effects as they already have some protection but if you haven’t had Covid you’ll normally get little to no reaction UNTIL you have your second jab when many seem to get more effects


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[Vicky.]

My dad is apparently still feeling 'spaced out' from his on friday :/

His immune system will be shot to ribbons in general though, given he has no spleen. But..its an odd side effect. I said a months or so back that the woman who said she had been told this could be a side effect obviusly misheard...seems not.

[arista]

UK hits 15 MILLION jabs, meeting the target a day early,


More want the vaccines now

[arista]

My dad is apparently still feeling 'spaced out' from his on friday :/

His immune system will be shot to ribbons in general though, given he has no spleen. But..its an odd side effect. I said a months or so back that the woman who said she had been told this could be a side effect obviously misheard...seems not.


Will he get clear of that?

[Cherie]

UK hits 15 MILLION jabs, meeting the target a day early,


More want the vaccines now

My son got a text yesterday he logged on yesterday afternoon and he could have gone for his vac later that evening... He has put it off until end Feb

[Vicky.]

Will he get clear of that?

Assume so. It makes sense its just his body reacting to the new..abnormal stuff thats suddenly appeared in there.

I imagine he will start to feel better tomorrow..maybe tuesday

[arista]

Assume so. It makes sense its just his body reacting to the new..abnormal stuff thats suddenly appeared in there.

I imagine he will start to feel better tomorrow..maybe tuesday


I hope your Dad
gets better soon.

[Vanessa]

Assume so. It makes sense its just his body reacting to the new..abnormal stuff thats suddenly appeared in there.

I imagine he will start to feel better tomorrow..maybe tuesday

He should feel better soon.
I was also a bit sick after the vaccine.
But only for a couple of days.