[BBXX]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Opinions can also be the truth.
Then why saying anything about anything ever?

You clearly do want what you say to matter to others.

I think it's about the context. I don't mind having a debate with people, but I think when it's something so personal and saying something won't change anything, some things are just better left unsaid.

That's fine, I understand that, but it doesn't make you a better or superior person in any sense.

I didn't say it did, but saying something that will make someone feel worse about a medical condition that already brings them pain isn't a great choice.

Mostly the point I have been making is regarding how, IMO, that money forcing a thing to happen against nature could be spent giving a child that needs a home a better life, rather than serving a vanity. It's just my feeling on it, I don't hate anyone that chooses to do differently or anything.

Fair enough... I think if people can solve a medical anomalies with money and it helps improve their life then I think they should be able to do with without judgement of being called selfish or weird or vain, but that's just my personal opinion on it.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I think it's about the context. I don't mind having a debate with people, but I think when it's something so personal and saying something won't change anything, some things are just better left unsaid.



I didn't say it did, but saying something that will make someone feel worse about a medical condition that already brings them pain isn't a great choice.

The best choice is not always the most comfortable one for ourselves. Sometimes we need someone to point that out.

Originally Posted by BBXX

Fair enough... I think if people can solve a medical anomalies with money and it helps improve their life then I think they should be able to do with without judgement of being called selfish or weird or vain, but that's just my personal opinion on it.

I support their right to spend their money how they wish, but I also support my right to hold and voice a personal opinion on it.

Originally Posted by BBXX

...it helps improve their life...

isn't this the core of why I used a word like selfish?

They could have used that money to improve the life of another, but they chose to use it just to improve their own.

Honestly, and I am making an assumption here so I am open to being corrected, it seems to me that someone on the Left should really be arguing for adoption rather than the wealthy using money to satisfy their own wants.

A community should look after each other, not just chase their own desires?

[BBXX]

isn't this the core of why I used a word like selfish?

They could have used that money to improve the life of another, but they chose to use it just to improve their own.

So could any fertile person. Why are they less selfish for having a biological child when they could have chosen to improve the life of one through adoption?

Nobody has biological children for selfless reasons, let's be clear, but it seems like only infertile people or couples who biologically cannot have children together have the responsibility to make a child's life better while fertile and straight people can do as they please without your judgement. Just seems an odd angle to take that's all, but you're entitled to that opinion.

Originally Posted by vesavius

Honestly, and I am making an assumption here so I am open to being corrected, it seems to me that someone on the Left should really be arguing for adoption rather than the wealthy using money to satisfy their own wants.

A community should look after each other, not just chase their own desires?

I've always said I'm socially left wing and economically right wing. If someone wants to spend their own money to improve their life, I have no issue with that.

Someone spending their own money to have biological children instead of adopting is their own choice and I'm not going to judge them for it in the same way I wouldn't judge someone who CAN have children biologically for the same choice.

I think adoption is great and I have a lot of respect for those who both adopt and foster. But also, I'm very aware I've made the choice to never have children through any means because they would inexplicably make my life worse. So I can't stand on my high horse and judge others for not adopting when I never will.

If people on this thread feel so highly about adoption, they can do so. If they choose not to, while judging others for making the same choice then I am not sure what to say.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BBXX

So could any fertile person.

Again, this is a conversation from my position is mainly about the cost of the process and now it could be better spent improving the life of a child in need.

Do I need to say that fertilising an egg is usually free?

Originally Posted by BBXX

nobody has biological children for selfless reasons, let's be clear.

Seems quite bold to speak for everything like this.

Originally Posted by BBXX

If people on this thread feel so highly about adoption, they can do so. If they choose not to, while judging others for making the same choice then I am not sure what to say.

I mean, who does this apply to here in this thread?

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by vesavius

The best choice is not always the most comfortable one for ourselves. Sometimes we need someone to point that out.

Also, very few people going through infertility wants to hear this from anyone, whether you think it's your job to point it out or not (which it isn't).

It's akin to telling someone experiencing mental health problems instead of them paying for therapy have they just tried not feeling sad.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Also, very few people going through infertility wants to hear this from anyone, whether you think it's your job to point it out or not (which it isn't).

Again, what we want to hear and what we need to hear are often not the same things.

I don't think that it's your job to tell me what my job is.

It's akin to telling someone experiencing mental health problems instead of them paying for therapy have they just tried not feeling sad

No it isn't. False analogy.