[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But Maru has already explained that in the US, free speech means free speech, and so hate preaching is straight up "allowed" there. doesn't seem to be adding up.



If you see me making excuses then there is very little point in continuing the discussion because you're arguing against something that isn't happening. I am not making excuses or justifying killings. I am (fruitlessly) trying to get at the root of why these attacks happen so that we (as a society, not us personally on TiBB) might actually stand a chance of reducing the number of attacks and deaths. Unlike most, it seems, I'm not willing to stand stomping my feet, raging into the thunderstorm, screaming at it to "cut it out". All you can see is "excuses"; I feel this is an emotional response. It's not about excuses. Understanding the causes is not about making excuses for those who have already killed - it's about finding solutions to stop more killing. What do people not understand about that? What does anyone actually get out of just mindlessly screeching "BUT I AM ANGRY ABOUT THIS!"? We are all angry. But anger isn't helpful. Directing anger at a community will result in a backlash, will result in young alienated members of that community looking for a sense of belonging elsewhere, and finding a preacher saying "Come over here! You're welcome here!". It's not even complicated, I honestly can't comprehend why people just don't "get it" yet.



But WHY. WHY Cherie. WHY don't they want to integrate, WHY don't they want to embrace the wider community, when as we have discussed, there are countries with immigrants from the same places where they do not have the same problem to the same extent. Stop just "saying stuff that is" and start thinking about the reasons!

Free speech might be allowed yes but there are much stricter laws around entry and deportation, you have to jump though so many hoops to get into the USA maybe they appreciate it more and extreme views are not tolerated as they are here?


The older community not wanting to integrate is a combination of things they are very family orientated for starters, they also have larger families so more children/grandchildren, some don't speak English, observation of cultural beliefs, i work with two young muslim women one university educated who will only swim in sessions arranged for muslim females? its kind of no different to your average Paddy who came over here in the 50s and spent his time in Irish Clubs and bars to my mind but no one is having a fit about why that happened.

Do you honestly think the C4 docu would have aired in the States ? the American people wouldn't stand for it