[hijaxers]

Joe sees Raph as a threat and he can't be manipulated so Joe wants him gone ! Sorry Joe he's going nowhere

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

So then it's sort of Raph's fault is it not? for the god awful VT?

Everyone lies on their VT to get it.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think Joe likes to be top dog, he has gone in to be the father figure, Raph and Arthur didnt let themselves be influenced by him, he probably hates that Raph didn't join in the Arthur bashing, as he probably knows now that Arthur has left that it went to far and it mightn't look good from a public PoV. Also I think he likes to be complimented and adored and maybe some of the HMs are not bothering to feed his ego

Just about sums him up really well.

He really gets on my nerves,I find him really dull.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Everyone lies on their VT to get it.

That's not really the point though is it?

You're asking why Joe could possibly dislike Raph, him being wary after Tom explained his VT is a plausable reason - Raph literally said he was going to manipulate everyone and play a game nobody forced him to speak those words as a super fan he knows that.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

That's not really the point though is it?

You're asking why Joe could possibly dislike Raph, him being wary after Tom explained his VT is a plausable reason - Raph literally said he was going to manipulate everyone and play a game nobody forced him to speak those words as a super fan he knows that.

But Raph as done nothing to Joe. So maybe it's just a clash of personalities.

[Locke.]

Originally Posted by RhysJones

Is this a joke, Raph is not the alpha male. You have to be trusted and liked to be the alpha male, Lotan is.

You must be mad if you think Raph isn't the alpha male

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

That's not really the point though is it?

You're asking why Joe could possibly dislike Raph, him being wary after Tom explained his VT is a plausable reason - Raph literally said he was going to manipulate everyone and play a game nobody forced him to speak those words as a super fan he knows that.

I think after 7 days to still be using somebodies VT [Who you haven't even seen, just from word of mouth] as a reason is not really plausabile, and is infact very weak.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I think after 7 days to still be using somebodies VT [Who you haven't even seen, just from word of mouth] as a reason is not really plausabile, and is infact very weak.

Indeed

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I think after 7 days to still be using somebodies VT [Who you haven't even seen, just from word of mouth] as a reason is not really plausabile, and is infact very weak.

We saw their VT's when they entered - did we not ?

[Mullens123]

Originally Posted by iRyan

He's a bitter self-hating closet case, it's quite sad. The way he reacted to jokingly being accused of wearing makeup was very telling.

This tbh

[rusticgal]

Joe is wary of intelligent people. He feels intimidated by Raph because he is intellectually challenging.

[MrWong]

I think Joe wanted to be the wise old sage of the house and if it wasn't for Raph and Charlotte he probably would be because the rest of the housemates are dumb AF.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

But Raph as done nothing to Joe. So maybe it's just a clash of personalities.

He doesn't have to do anything. If you hear somebody was bragging about manipulating others it's pretty normal to be wary of them.

I'd be wary of Raph tbh

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Stupid people are so much more interesting

Now that I must agree with.

[storybrooke]

He knows Raph won't create a scene about being nominated unlike some of the other housemates who would have gone mental - basically he made the easiest nomination that would create the least backlash in the house

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by storybrooke

He knows Raph won't create a scene about being nominated unlike some of the other housemates who would have gone mental - basically he made the easiest nomination that would create the least backlash in the house

Nominating someone for being intelligent is such a cop out

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by storybrooke

He knows Raph won't create a scene about being nominated unlike some of the other housemates who would have gone mental - basically he made the easiest nomination that would create the least backlash in the house

If they have face to face nominations I can see everyone choosing Raph as the easy way out.

[storybrooke]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

If they have face to face nominations I can see everyone choosing Raph as the easy way out.

Yeah I can too but I don't think he will be easily evicted

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by storybrooke

Yeah I can too but I don't think he will be easily evicted

I hope he ignores them and stays himself. He says his opinion when it's relevant and doesn't need to be a loudmouth to be popular.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i don't like joe at all but i think he dislikes raph because of the gameplayer comment he made

i don't think there's anything else to it

[RhysJones]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He said he was a nice guy, until Tom told him about him his VT.

That was the first night, of course everyone is gonna seem nice unless they do something major

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I just don't get it! He has been nothing but nice to him, Ms yet this tool is always hostile to him. I didn't notice until last night show. I think he was trying to anger Raph, so I'm glad he didn't take the bait.

* Joe is much older than everyone else and he see's himself as the alpha Male (second most powerful position in the house - the Queen is the most powerful like chess)

* Raph is much more intelligent than everyone else in the house - this naturally means that in the laws of nature - should there be a head to head against Joe - like the old Lion being attacked by the younger Lion - Raph would win and take Joes position as the Alpha Male

Basically they are the two most powerful males in the house and they are fighting for dominance - although - I dont think Raph wants to Dominate - YET but he will eventually.

They are very similar - both of them want to be the boss - Raph more subtle and Joe more obvious - Joe feels his lack of education is a weakness to Raphs intelligence - however Joe has experience and confidence which Raph doesn't.

I hope that makes sense.

[Tom4784]

He's a simpleton that doesn't like intelligence, he's been easily led by Tom's comments and he feels the need to impose this 'ard image he has of himself onto others and Raph isn't likely to challenge that like other people would.

Vile man.

[snail69]

Originally Posted by sungrass

* Joe is much older than everyone else and he see's himself as the alpha Male (second most powerful position in the house - the Queen is the most powerful like chess)

* Raph is much more intelligent than everyone else in the house - this naturally means that in the laws of nature - should there be a head to head against Joe - like the old Lion being attacked by the younger Lion - Raph would win and take Joes position as the Alpha Male

Basically they are the two most powerful males in the house and they are fighting for dominance - although - I dont think Raph wants to Dominate - YET but he will eventually.

They are very similar - both of them want to be the boss - Raph more subtle and Joe more obvious - Joe feels his lack of education is a weakness to Raphs intelligence - however Joe has experience and confidence which Raph doesn't.

I hope that makes sense.

Makes no sense. They are not similar at all in my opinion.

Raph is not and will probably never be the alpha male inside or even outside of the house in any situation. It just doesn't seem to be in his character at all. Neither are the alpha in the house in my opinion. Joe would like to be but he's not and Raph doesn't care.

Also saying that Raph is much more intelligent is maybe not true either. Yes there is some airheads in there but I think Charlotte, Rebecca and Lotan are all very intelligent people as well.

Maybe Raph is as you say more intelligent, I don't know but he is definitely not "much more intelligent" in my opinion. Even if he is, it's hard to come to that conclusion after 1 week. Especially when we haven't really seen that much of him.

[Vanessa]

I don't think Raph wants to dominate like Joe does. He just wants to enjoy the experience. He doesn't like the way Joe treated Arthur, who was his friend. Joe is threatened by him, sees his as competition.