EastEnders (Say a prayer for the Branning sisters)

[LukeB]

Lies.

Out of Lucy Peter and Steven , Lucy Beale would be the only name recognisable to the general public.

Exactly, i thought this is common knowledge?

[BBUK-Fan]

It's ****ed. I didn't think a producer could do more damage to a show than Kirkwood did but SOC has made his era look like the show was perfect back then. It's gong to take a LONG time for Eastenders to recover from what SOC has done to the show.

When he SOC was first announced as taking over, I thought it'd be more realistic and like the good old days but he completely flopped.
Awful writing, ruining storylines, getting rid of the best characters, prematurely ending storylines.

Aaron Sidwell deserved better.

[BBUK-Fan]

This week has been horrendous and overly publicised but it's been a flop

[Marsh.]

It really is quite amusing when you think SOC was billed as the realistic and non sensational producer. :joker:

He's done more damage in a shorter space of time than all your Kirkwood's put together. Kirkwood made the show bad but, apart from killing Pat, he didn't leave long term damage that couldn't be repaired by a future producer.

[Denver]

Im guessing Max will be dead by Xmas?

[Marsh.]

His days are definitely numbered.

'Who Stabbed Max?' now seems so much more likely.

[Denver]

Yorke does a great who done it? so could be a great way to bring viewers back

[Marsh.]

He did one great whodunnit.

Plus, Who Shot Phil had the benefit of being the culmination of long running plots, great character development and reached a peak for the show.

A whodunnit stemming from a few lacklustre attempts at entertainment this year with terrible character writing wouldn't have the same effect IMO.

[Wizard.]

His days are definitely numbered.

'Who Stabbed Max?' now seems so much more likely.

I hope the stabbing kills him and doesn't just leave him with recoverable injuries.

[Marsh.]

Also, how likely is it that EVERYONE is knocked unconscious in a crash?

[Marsh.]

Kelly Bright knocked it out of the park again. :clap1:

[Marsh.]

I love how the props department thought "Let's just decorate Bernie's room with every pop star possible".

[Firewire]

Kelly Bright knocked it out of the park again. :clap1:

she was amazing

too good for ee

[Ross.]

Steven dying :skull:

Another nail in the coffin I see

[Ross.]

But Jane's coma era (Ronnie hew?) is coming

[Ross.]

Yes Kellie slayed

[Ross.]

Ross to sense that I'm not ok and I've collapsed in front of the telly?

:joker::joker:

I was fine so I knew our Jane was safe

[Firewire]

But Jane's coma era (Ronnie hew?) is coming

Jane to recover and have the ability to walk without any aid?

[Ross.]

Jane to recover and have the ability to walk without any aid?

Queen Ron and her miracle recovery :love:

[Firewire]

I don't think we appreciated Ronnie enough at the time

[Marsh.]

But Jane's coma era (Ronnie hew?) is coming

Ian to bang Abi whilst she's in a coma?

[Ross.]

It's very sad that Steven is dead, what a waste

Another legacy character gone!

[Firewire]

It was good to see a more emotional side to Karen tonight

[Ross.]

I don't think we appreciated Ronnie enough at the time

The way Sam couldn't be bothered with the **** material :love:

[Firewire]

It's very sad that Steven is dead, what a waste

Another legacy character gone!

He was awful!

I did want him to pump Johnny before he popped it but never mind.

[Ross.]

He was awful!

I did want him to pump Johnny before he popped it but never mind.

He could've been recasted in ten years!

[Firewire]

Killing him off was weak, he should've left because none of his family wanted to see him again

But then that's the same as his last exit so I don't know if it'd work twice

[Marsh.]

He was awful!

I did want him to pump Johnny before he popped it but never mind.

Johnny doesn't deserve anything good in his life.

[Firewire]

Max better not smother our Jane!

[Marsh.]

He could've been recasted in ten years!

Why recast? :oh:

The actor was fine. The plots were the problem.

[Ross.]

Why recast? :oh:

Because Jona hates ha and we will be running the show in ten years

[Firewire]

Aaron was good but I don't like him after he slagged our Sarah Harding

[Marsh.]

EastEnders main problem for a long time has been thinking major character deaths will give it a resurgence or lease of life.

If the writing is not there, it will just make things worse.

[Marsh.]

Aaron was good but I don't like him after he slagged our Sarah Harding

What did he say?

[Marsh.]

Max better not smother our Jane!

Jane will manage to spit out one word before she dies "Max!" leaving Ian to believe she was shagging Max all this time.

[Firewire]

What did he say?

He said something about how it's sad to see the public rewarding a homewrecker

[Marsh.]

He said something about how it's sad to see the public rewarding a homewrecker

OOP!

I bet he was a hoot at Jac Jossa's wedding to that womanising scum. :omgno:

[Firewire]

And he bashed Our Stacey Solomon when she did panto with a script lmao

[Ross.]

It's annoying that something is obviously going to happen to Jane (a coma) that means this revenge story will continue

[Ross.]

And he bashed Our Stacey Solomon when she did panto with a script lmao

Me

[Firewire]

Jane better not get the Summerhayes treatment

[Marsh.]

Her discovering his revenge was implausible anyway. What she overheard then leading to her knowing Max is behind everything including the Vic etc is ridiculous imo.

[Marsh.]

Jane better not get the Summerhayes treatment

Not her first walk down the Square without crutches resulting in her being knocked off ha feet by a speeding car.

[Ross.]

Her discovering his revenge was implausible anyway. What she overheard then leading to her knowing Max is behind everything including the Vic etc is ridiculous imo.

Are you questioning our Jane's ability as a private investigator?

[Ross.]

Not her first walk down the Square without crutches resulting in her being knocked off ha feet by a speeding car.

Kim driving?

[Rob!]

Personally I think it would have made more sense within Max's revenge if Steven went to prison for causing the fire and the attempted murder of Jane.

[Marsh.]

Kim driving?

:joker:

Side note: The shot of Kim coming down the steps outside of her house like a little old woman made me hoot.

[Marsh.]

Personally I think it would have made more sense within Max's revenge if Steven went to prison for causing the fire and the attempted murder of Jane.

This. Prison and being left isolated from his family (his entire fear in the first place) would've been a much more plausible ending.

Much like Ronnie maybe going to prison for murder and Roxy stepping up, maturing and taking care of the kids would've been a much better ending for them.

The show cuts off its nose to spite its face.

[Ross.]

Kim having the obligatory "bring the community together speech" :love:

[Firewire]

12 pages already, Jane's impact?

[Firewire]

Kim having the obligatory "bring the community together speech" :love:

When she clocked D I screamed

[Marsh.]

Phil and Jane to be the last indestructible ones left when SOC has decimated everyone else?

[Marsh.]

Considering everything happened quite quickly, explosion/shooting/fire, they cleared the scene of the gas explosion, the police left the Murray flat quite quickly. No evidence required? No follow up?

Just leave it so the Taylor's could have the set for their miscarriage storyline.

[Ross.]

When she clocked D I screamed

:joker:

Speaking of Denise, I'm her pretending to be upset about Jane and being consoled by Kush

[Marsh.]

Terribly plotted, storylined, written and edited IMO.

Awful week saved by the sublime Kellie Bright and Laurie Brett IMO.

[Firewire]

Terribly plotted, storylined, written and edited IMO.

Awful week saved by the sublime Kellie Bright and Laurie Brett IMO.

They are leagues above everyone else.

Lorna was excellent as well (she can be a bit hit or miss sometimes)

[Firewire]

Is anyone else concerned about Stacey's leg?

[Ross.]

Too much was going on

No story had any time to breathe before the next crash happened

[Ross.]

The miscarriage should've been left until later and could've made a good Autumn story for the Taylor's

[Firewire]

Can anyone explain why Linda and Johnny's ambulance was the one to overturn?

[Firewire]

The miscarriage should've been left until later and could've made a good Autumn story for the Taylor's

Yeah I agree

[Firewire]

Mick being ****ing hopeless as usual

[Rob!]

Safe to say Yorke and whoever the next producer is has got a ridiculous amount of work to do to clear up the mess that SOC has left for them

[Firewire]

Yorke on his first day back at Elstree

http://i.imgur.com/U4rpuwB.gif

[Marsh.]

They are leagues above everyone else.

Lorna was excellent as well (she can be a bit hit or miss sometimes)

Yeah, her reaction to Steven's death was actually the best acting I've seen from her.

[Wizard.]

EastEnders main problem for a long time has been thinking major character deaths will give it a resurgence or lease of life.

If the writing is not there, it will just make things worse.

This. When was the last time Coronation Street or Emmerdale killed anyone off who wasn't leaving anyway? Eastenders for some bizarre reason feels the need to have a MURDAH or a death for shock factor.

[Marsh.]

Can anyone explain why Linda and Johnny's ambulance was the one to overturn?

What do you mean?

[Firewire]

What do you mean?

Why was theirs chosen? It had the LEAST impact.

[Marsh.]

Oh, Jake Wood was good in the bit where he actually showed emotion to Jane.

He's been bloody wooden all year so it was nice to see a bit of effort. :)

[Firewire]

Johnny has been "central" to this stunt and I don't think he has uttered a single word.

[Firewire]

Oh, Jake Wood was good in the bit where he actually showed emotion to Jane.

He's been bloody wooden all year so it was nice to see a bit of effort. :)

He's been doing a Sam Womack since he returned

[Marsh.]

Why was theirs chosen? It had the LEAST impact.

Oh.

Actually, I agree. It would've made Steven's death more dramatic.

But then we'd also have a tedious plot where Ian tries to sue the hospital or whatever because the ambulance driver prevented Steven getting to hospital in time to be saved. :joker:

[Ross.]

I kinda hate Max now

[Rob!]

Yorke answers the phone when the BBC rings him https://i.imgur.com/pGYUXTt.gif

"Oh hello! Been ages since I spoke to you! Do I want to what? Come and fix Eastenders? No, **** off, nobody's got that much time."https://i.imgur.com/x41OELe.gif

[Ross.]

And I was actually really looking forward to the revenge story

[Marsh.]

He's been doing a Sam Womack since he returned

No one does lack of emotion better than the Womack.

Queen of letting the viewers know exactly what she thinks of a plot.

[Marsh.]

Yorke answers the phone when the BBC rings him https://i.imgur.com/pGYUXTt.gif

"Oh hello! Been ages since I spoke to you! Do I want to what? Come and fix Eastenders? No, **** off, nobody's got that much time."https://i.imgur.com/x41OELe.gif

:joker::joker::joker:

[Marsh.]

And I was actually really looking forward to the revenge story

That's what's so annoying. It has all of the ingredients of a brilliant storyline.

It's off the back of a long running three year murder plot so it's not a story that's sprung up out of nowhere. It involves most of the longer serving cast members. It's brought in some new cast members with great potential, and also had a great mystery element to it. And it's also being used to drag the show into the modern day and shake up the sets.

Yet.... SOC made it dull and then stupid in equal measure.

[Firewire]

Do you know who the show needs?

http://68.media.tumblr.com/bbb60c9451c46050331a265394a9f7f9/tumblr_nkmx614T7z1tzx7bso2_1280.jpg

[Marsh.]

I wonder how Fi will react to just how far Max has gone or will he keep it a secret from her?

I hope Yorke extends her contract and gives her a good plot.

[Firewire]

Kathy needs a good storyline

[Ross.]

Kathy needs a good storyline

A MESS at her being on holiday during all of this

[Marsh.]

She's gonna come back with FI's dad as her holiday romance.

Sharon: You just pick up people's long lost father's as a hobby do you Kath? *eyes twitch*

[Ross.]

I wonder how Fi will react to just how far Max has gone or will he keep it a secret from her?

I hope Yorke extends her contract and gives her a good plot.

I think it has? Wasn't she only on like a three month one and she's been here ages

[Ross.]

That's what's so annoying. It has all of the ingredients of a brilliant storyline.

It's off the back of a long running three year murder plot so it's not a story that's sprung up out of nowhere. It involves most of the longer serving cast members. It's brought in some new cast members with great potential, and also had a great mystery element to it. And it's also being used to drag the show into the modern day and shake up the sets.

Yet.... SOC made it dull and then stupid in equal measure.

This tea!

[Rob!]

Do you know who the show needs?

http://68.media.tumblr.com/bbb60c9451c46050331a265394a9f7f9/tumblr_nkmx614T7z1tzx7bso2_1280.jpg

Christine is coming? :clap1:

[Marsh.]

I think it has? Wasn't she only on like a three month one and she's been here ages

Yeah, it was extended to six months (ending in October IIRC). I want her as a permanent character.

Her apartment was lovely too.

[Firewire]

A MESS at her being on holiday during all of this

I hope she is having a lovely time

[Marsh.]

All I can picture is Kathy doing her Catherine Tate's Nan voice ordering cocktails on a beach.

Remember when Fi offered to buy everyone champagne last week, Kathy was halfway through the bottle before she'd even paid for it.

Still waiting for her alcoholism plot.

[Firewire]

Kathy at Christmas :love:

[Ross.]

Has Kathy even had a story since her return

[Firewire]

Linda's cancer plot was a ****ing waste as well

Imagine giving someone cancer and then getting rid of it whilst they were off-screen

Would've been better with piles

[Ross.]

Apart from the Gavin mess!

[Firewire]

Has Kathy even had a story since her return

Gav and Buster

[Ross.]

Linda's cancer plot was a ****ing waste as well

Imagine giving someone cancer and then getting rid of it whilst they were off-screen

Would've been better with piles

:joker:

[Ross.]

I want Gavin's house of horrors back

It's actually better than what we get now

[Rob!]

So, the theory is that Fi is the daughter of James Wilmott Brown who raped Kathy in the 80s?

[Marsh.]

Oh that's what I didn't get. Did Linda say she had cancer or she HAS cancer?

[Firewire]

:joker:

No but imagine the heart to heart with Jack

"I... I... had piles"

http://i.imgur.com/EjD9T9x.gif

[Firewire]

Oh that's what I didn't get. Did Linda say she had cancer or she HAS cancer?

She said had

[Marsh.]

So, the theory is that Fi is the daughter of James Wilmott Brown who raped Kathy in the 80s?

Yeah, Fi is "Sophie" and the guy Max met in prison is her brother Luke.

How Josh fits into the theory I don't know.

Willmott-Brown was never charged for Kathy's rape but was sent to prison for raping someone else a couple of years later. Maybe that's what drove her mum to suicide?

[Rob!]

Oh that's what I didn't get. Did Linda say she had cancer or she HAS cancer?

Had. And she's been gone 9 months, four of which was looking after Elaine. I swear Linda has the quickest illnesses and recovery. A week of bulimia and two months of cancer

[Marsh.]

No but imagine the heart to heart with Jack

"I... I... had piles"

http://i.imgur.com/EjD9T9x.gif

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Rob!]

Yeah, Fi is "Sophie" and the guy Max met in prison is her brother Luke.

How Josh fits into the theory I don't know.

Willmott-Brown was never charged for Kathy's rape but was sent to prison for raping someone else a couple of years later. Maybe that's what drove her mum to suicide?

Do we know anything more about who that chairman was?

[Marsh.]

Had. And she's been gone 9 months, four of which was looking after Elaine. I swear Linda has the quickest illnesses and recovery. A week of bulimia and two months of cancer

:joker:

That just shows you she always gets the short straw.

Even her rape plot became all about Mick and Shirley.

"Dean raped me!" Everyone reacts :umm2:

"Mick's my son!" Everyone reacts D: :omgno: :eek: :o

[Marsh.]

Do we know anything more about who that chairman was?

Not that I can remember.

Just that he grew up in Walford.

[Marsh.]

Also, is it just me or do Linda and Jack actually suit?

[Ross.]

No but imagine the heart to heart with Jack

"I... I... had piles"

http://i.imgur.com/EjD9T9x.gif

I'm CRYING :joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Rob!]

Why did Jack and Linda end up having a heart to heart though

[Firewire]

I've missed this :love:

Bloody Sean O'Connor killing off, not only Ronnie and Roxy, but this thread

[Marsh.]

Why did Jack and Linda end up having a heart to heart though

Because Jack and Mick played Xbox for half an episode so are now best friends.

[Firewire]

Because Jack and Mick played Xbox for half an episode so are now best friends.

They kissed remember!

[Rob!]

Any idea when SOC's name stops polluting the Thames? Then I shall start watching again

[Ross.]

I've missed this :love:

Bloody Sean O'Connor killing off, not only Ronnie and Roxy, but this thread

When the thread used to reach like 4k in a week :love:

[Marsh.]

I can't wait for Mick to kiss Whitney again, Linda says mum's took a funny turn and then Elaine waltzes into the pub dressed as Shirley Bassey doing jazz hands.

[Marsh.]

Any idea when SOC's name stops polluting the Thames? Then I shall start watching again

Gawd knows. I think we've reached the episodes that filmed after he left now but I think DTC/SOC were credited together for a while too during the "crossover" period.

His material will pollute the rest of the year IMO.

[Rob!]

Did Mick and Whitney ever bang?

[Ross.]

What happened to Phil for the rest of the week

[Marsh.]

What happened to Phil for the rest of the week

Trying to get his breath back.

[Rob!]

Him to wake up clutching a vodka bottle and the past year has been a drunken hallucinatory dream? :clap1:

[Marsh.]

Hopefully Yorke gets Lucy Benjamin back too and she returns as the Chairman's new wife. :love:

[Rob!]

Did Mick and Whitney ever bang?

Ahem

[Marsh.]

No.

But Mick's a BLOODY LIAR so who knows.

[Ross.]

Lisa is like the only good thing that has happened in the past year

[Marsh.]

Stacey and Kush banged and we never knew.

[Marsh.]

Lisa is like the only good thing that has happened in the past year

Even she was shook by the state of the show and it sent her over the edge.

[Ross.]

Even she was shook by the state of the show and it sent her over the edge.

:joker:

[Ross.]

I bet DTC loves that the show is so **** now

[Firewire]

Have Carmel and Max banged

[Marsh.]

Lisa telling Louise the story of EastEnders 1998 - 2002 and how Sharon used to be a strong character.

"I was the tabloid favourite before bloody Lacey Turner"

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/590x/secondary/EastEnders-spoiler-Louise-Mitchell-wakes-up-in-a-hotel-with-Lisa-Fowler-as-Phil-searches-for-them-1019218.jpg

[Ross.]

Have Carmel and Max banged

I presume so

[Ross.]

Lisa telling Louise the story of EastEnders 1998 - 2002 and how Sharon used to be a strong character.

"I was the tabloid favourite before bloody Lacey Turner"

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/590x/secondary/EastEnders-spoiler-Louise-Mitchell-wakes-up-in-a-hotel-with-Lisa-Fowler-as-Phil-searches-for-them-1019218.jpg

:joker:

[Marsh.]

Have Carmel and Max banged

*flashbacks to Carmel creaming herself in the hotel corridor before he even had the key in the door*

[Firewire]

Max's secret hotel room?

[Firewire]

Max and Lucy flashbacks *shudders*

[Firewire]

Lisa telling Louise the story of EastEnders 1998 - 2002 and how Sharon used to be a strong character.

"I was the tabloid favourite before bloody Lacey Turner"

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/590x/secondary/EastEnders-spoiler-Louise-Mitchell-wakes-up-in-a-hotel-with-Lisa-Fowler-as-Phil-searches-for-them-1019218.jpg

"And that slag Jessie Wallace got me the sack!"

[Marsh.]

But yeah he banged her in the hotel in the episode it was revealed he lived with Fi and now they're "official" they're always at it.

[Ross.]

Max and Lucy flashbacks *shudders*

Delete this

[Marsh.]

"And that slag Jessie Wallace got me the sack!"

I said to Babs! I said... I told her.... Jessie is late AGAIN and she went AWWWF!

http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/17/31/768x416/gallery-1501776787-lisa.jpg

[Firewire]

:laugh2:

[Ross.]

I said to Babs! I said... I told her.... Jessie is late AGAIN and she went AWWWF!

http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/17/31/768x416/gallery-1501776787-lisa.jpg

:joker::joker:

[Ross.]

Remember when Peggy died and had her funeral five years later

[Marsh.]

Remember when Peggy died and had her funeral five years later

The Mitchell sisters didn't give a fook and then karma came for them?

[Marsh.]

Omg wasn't Peggy's death plot delayed because of a daft stunt?

Oh it was Bobby finale week. :joker:

[Firewire]

DTC's era was a mess but at least it was an enjoyable mess

[Marsh.]

It's weird 2014 had so much build up and consistency and like the show was slowly being repaired but then it was like the wheels came off in 2015.

[Ross.]

Omg wasn't Peggy's death plot delayed because of a daft stunt?

Oh it was Bobby finale week. :joker:

This was the last time the show was good

Jane's blood on the cake :clap1:

[Marsh.]

This was the last time the show was good

Jane's blood on the cake :clap1:

Invincible Queen.

Bobby gave ha bionic legs.

Max to give her Terminator eye and bionic arms?

[Rob!]

DTC's era was genuinely unmissable though. He'd made it so that we could be presented with a jaw dropping twist in the middle of a Thursday episode (like Peggy returning and revealing she had cancer) and his personality was that effectious and passionate, you couldn't help but forgive him.

SOC was just pretentious, miserable and so far up his own arse it was unreal from start to finish

[Marsh.]

DS did an article on Steven and I can't believe how much Ian has aged in 10 years.

WU52unlhBeg

Jane hasn't changed. :love:

[Rob!]

Steven has actually got hotter

[Natalie.]

Glad Jane is alive but I can't believe they killed off another Beale kid, would have been better him leaving alone.
Wish they explored his sexuality

[Cal.]

Can anyone explain why Linda and Johnny's ambulance was the one to overturn?

Probably so Linda can throw the 'Jack was there to save your son and you were off with another woman!' thing at Mick.

[Underscore]

Thank god Jane is alive

[Denver]

I think its time to end the Brannings they have no use to the show anymore

[Denver]

Also there is no way Johnny would have survived that crash

[Denver]

I want Mel back tbh

[Denver]

I cant help but feel Karen has the wrong family around her

[Denver]

Im guessing her other daughter will pop up son

[Marsh.]

Steven has actually got hotter
Since his heart stopped beating? :suspect:

[Firewire]

The Branning sisters have been axed :/

http://www.eastendersspy.co.uk/2017/09/10/branning-sisters-abi-and-lauren-set-to-leave-the-square/

[Rob!]

WHAT

[Firewire]

Not R&R all over again

[Rob!]

Like I couldn't care less about Lauren but Abi??? Are they actually mad?

[Marsh.]

Omg :eek:

I am actually shook!

[Marsh.]

Is the show actually ending and they're slowly writing everybody out? :o

Are they really working their way through all of the cast who have been there longer than 3 years?

[RileyH]

Why are they getting rid of Lauren when she's the best one?? :o

[Littlegreen]

I thought Abi was on her way to becoming Janine 2.0. That's such a shame.

[Rob!]

Yorke is SOC multi confirmed

[Firewire]

Is the show actually ending and they're slowly writing everybody out? :o

Are they really working their way through all of the cast who have been there longer than 3 years?

I think Max and Jack could also be on their way out so it might be a Branning cull

[Marsh.]

Wow, this is the "acting-executive producer's" decision. :worry:

Maybe he feels Abi is better served bringing the baby up off screen for a few years before coming back. I'm inclined to agree tbh. Not interested in see her straggle about with a sprog.

[Marsh.]

“Sometimes a great storyline comes at the cost of losing some characters.”

Oh sweet GOD. How many times have we heard this line. :worry:

[Rob!]

Abi is one of the show's best characters though? :umm2:

[RileyH]

Nawt 'acting executive producer'

[RileyH]

Abi is one of the show's best characters though? :umm2:

not this Lauren shade :nono:

[Firewire]

Wow, this is the "acting-executive producer's" decision. :worry:

Maybe he feels Abi is better served bringing the baby up off screen for a few years before coming back. I'm inclined to agree tbh. Not interested in see her straggle about with a sprog.

I hope they're just being rested but I have a feeling one of them is being killed and the other decides to leave

[Marsh.]

Abi is one of the show's best characters though? :umm2:

Yeah but if they're really to give her Steven's heir so to speak, she's going to be pretty blandly caring for a baby for a couple of years. Like Lauren was until she started working at Weyland.

They are getting the break/rest, come back after refreshment that the Mitchell sisters should have had IMO.

[Firewire]

The characters aren't the problem, especially the older ones

The issue was the focus on certain ones and the lack of decent storylines

[Marsh.]

I hope they're just being rested but I have a feeling one of them is being killed and the other decides to leave

Oh I hope not.

EastEnders feels like it's been in a constant state of "transition" and attempts to "shake up" for about 7 years. :(

[Firewire]

I wonder if Max's big revenge plot is exposed when Jane wakes from her coma due to the smell of the Turkey dinner on Christmas Day

Abi and Lauren then disown him and both move to New Zealand

[Marsh.]

I wonder if Max's big revenge plot is exposed when Jane wakes from her coma due to the smell of the Turkey dinner on Christmas Day

Abi and Lauren then disown him and both move to New Zealand

Then Kathy returns from Ibiza with her two new besties Bonnie and Foxy.

[Marsh.]

Maybe EastEnders has a new tradition?

Watch out Fox Sisters circa Autumn 2018?

[Firewire]

Can you BELIEVE Lorna survived her tabloid scandals and then is axed when she is squeaky clean and the best she's ever been (bar live week, "so I battered her")?!

[Marsh.]

Tbf, her gay spanking boyfriend weren't ha fault.

Watch out yogurt flogger Shona, you're next lady!

[Marsh.]

SOC is shaking at his leading lady movie star Jossa being axed.

[Ross.]

A mess at the deja vu of this announcement

[Marsh.]

Lauren will go back to New Zealand and in 20 years her child will return ala Mark Junior and explain to the audience why he has a London accent.

Bookmark me.

[Ross.]

It's kinda sad for our Lorna since she has been there 11 years

We've watched her grow up!

[Ross.]

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[Rob!]

She's the David Platt of Eastenders :(

[Firewire]

Jac will end up on CBB

[Rob!]

Hmmm. Can't help but think Yorke has made a bad decision here.

[Marsh.]

Tbf, Jac Jossa and Jake Wood couldn't look more bored so I wouldn't care about either going.

I'm guessing they don't mind holding onto Max for a while as he can be the resident villain whilst they get the show in order.

[Ross.]

I think they probably do need a rest and to come back in a few years with new story potential

[Firewire]

Personally I'm not bothered by Lauren going, she's been terrible since she returned from New Zealand

Abi is a huge loss though

[Marsh.]

I think they probably do need a rest and to come back in a few years with new story potential

Yeah, this.

My only issue is there isn't much of a cast left as it is.

[Marsh.]

But the fact it says they're leaving at Christmas shows that Yorke was in time to make significant changes to the plots unfolding at Christmas. :clap1:

[Firewire]

He's definitely bringing back some old characters, you wouldn't axe well established ones otherwise

If he wanted a new family he'd get rid of the Taylors and the Murrays

[Marsh.]

There was room for new or returning characters I would've thought?

The cast is smaller than it's ever been. Unless, that's a result of budget cuts and they have to work with a smaller number of actors at any one time.

[Ross.]

But the fact it says they're leaving at Christmas shows that Yorke was in time to make significant changes to the plots unfolding at Christmas. :clap1:

Here for Abi's 2013 Janine-esque episode at Christmas :clap1:

[Marsh.]

Here for Abi's 2013 Janine-esque episode at Christmas :clap1:

:joker: YES!

Remember 2013 suddenly looking up from Halloween onwards. Imagine! :flutter:

[Rob!]

I don't know. I'm worried. I mean at least we surely know that they aren't both being killed off? They wouldn't do that again....would they?

[Marsh.]

"So, John Yorke, how hard was it to completely overhaul plans for the show's big Christmas plots which are usually developed all through Autumn right up until the big event?"


"Well, this year's episode was planned as a two hander between Dot and her cat so all I had to do was actually write some stories. It was quite easy to insert them really."

[Ross.]

:joker: YES!

Remember 2013 suddenly looking up from Halloween onwards. Imagine! :flutter:

I look back on it so fondly. :flutter:

[Ross.]

It's time for the Carter era in the Vic to end and Janine to come home

[Marsh.]

It's time for the Carter era in the Vic to end and Janine to come home

NO!

Linda's barely been given a chance to shine as landlady!

[Rob!]

It's time for the Carter era in the Vic to end and Janine to come home

This :clap1:

Janine is desperately needed. If anything to get some familiarity back to the square with all the high profile exits this year

[Marsh.]

Na. It's too soon. Janine was kind of tired until she got that exit story.

She needs to come back when her kid is a bit older for any further potential IMO.

[Firewire]

I'm also here for the Janine era

[Marsh.]

I'm also here for the Janine era

You're a nasty BITCH of a girl.


Kim as her new mother in law?

[Ross.]

NO!

Linda's barely been given a chance to shine as landlady!

She had a cancer plot OFF screen so it's clear no one is interested in developing our L!

[Marsh.]

She had a cancer plot OFF screen so it's clear no one is interested in developing our L!

John Yorke might. He's the one who gave Janine life after just being a bratty kid. :oh:

[Ross.]

Na. It's too soon. Janine was kind of tired until she got that exit story.

She needs to come back when her kid is a bit older for any further potential IMO.

Oh and you're Mrs Right are you?

[Marsh.]

Oh and you're Mrs Right are you?

:joker:

[Marsh.]

I hate to get trigger happy but I'm sat here kind of hoping for a good old cull?

Even though I know a mass axe is no good for the show.

[Marsh.]

Send Michelle back to Murica!

Put Denise in the bin!

Throw Joyce in jail the murdering CAH!

[Wizard.]

Wow I'm shook! Abi is a scream so it'll be sad to see her go. ANYONE DARE attempt to get rid of Kim and Denise and I'll chop your bloody fingers off!

I am ready for Janine's return too, along with Mo, Belinda, Kat (not Alfie) and throw in Kim's Samantha Mitchell too.

[Ashsleigh]

Shame.

[Firewire]

Characters with no purpose: Shaki (even though he's likeable now), NuMichelle, Kush, Donna, Jack, Ted, Joyce, Johnny

[Firewire]

You could add Kathy to that but I'm hoping they give her something worthwhile

[Rob!]

Not marsh being the only one who doesn't want Janine back. And she calls herself a fan!!

[Firewire]

Either bring back Janine or put Kat back in the Vic

[Marsh.]

I love Janine but she was exhausted when she left. :worry:

[Marsh.]

Either bring back Janine or put Kat back in the Vic

Omg I'm gonna have to disagree again. :worry:

Her 2001 likeable barmaid era is long gone. She was awful as landlady. :(

[Marsh.]

John: I axe Lola!

"It's Lorna!"

Oh SHUT UP, don't be so STUPID!

[Ross.]

Characters with no purpose: Shaki (even though he's likeable now), NuMichelle, Kush, Donna, Jack, Ted, Joyce, Johnny

Leave my Meech out of this

[Rob!]

John: I axe Lola!

"It's Lorna!"

Oh SHUT UP, don't be so STUPID!

:joker:

[Marsh.]

Sharon tells Michelle that her new hair went out of style in 2001 with Mel C's dyke era and she flees to America for another 20 years?

[Rob!]

I honestly think it's going to take longer than however long Yorke is temping to fix the show at the minute though.

[Marsh.]

Oh isn't it just. I still believe the show is fundamentally irreparable without just starting again with a complete reset.

[Rob!]

Like it took a bloody long time for DTC to have the show in a good place when he took over and I genuinely believe that was helped by the fact that the anniversary happened to be there to prop up the buzz of the show. Anniversaries naturally make a soap more exciting for a little while because it just feels special

[Ross.]

John: I axe Lola!

"It's Lorna!"

Oh SHUT UP, don't be so STUPID!

:joker:

[Ross.]

Like it took a bloody long time for DTC to have the show in a good place when he took over and I genuinely believe that was helped by the fact that the anniversary happened to be there to prop up the buzz of the show. Anniversaries naturally make a soap more exciting for a little while because it just feels special

DTC left the show in a mess though and SOC just helped make it worse

[Rob!]

DTC left the show in a mess though and SOC just helped make it worse

LIES

[Ross.]

LIES

Is it though?

[Ross.]

The rot had already begun and SOC's bizarre decisions sped things up!

[Marsh.]

LIES

I love DTC but I can't excuse Kathy's potential of an epic return story devolving into Gavin's Funhouse with body's flying around and Sharon's eyes going ten to the dozen.

[Rob!]

Yes :oh:

I'm not saying DTC was perfect - some of his stories were absolutely bloody stupid (the whole Gavin story was absolute twaddle from start to finish) but he left the show with a strong cast and some excellent characters. SOC came in and axed eleven of them right off the bat.

[Ross.]

Yes :oh:

I'm not saying DTC was perfect - some of his stories were absolutely bloody stupid (the whole Gavin story was absolute twaddle from start to finish) but he left the show with a strong cast and some excellent characters. SOC came in and axed eleven of them right off the bat.

You're just nothing but a BLIND DTC fanboy so I'm not arguing anymore my luv

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[Marsh.]

The EastEnders casting director firing and hiring in EastEnders the last few years.

https://i.imgur.com/pGYUXTt.gif https://i.imgur.com/x41OELe.gif https://i.imgur.com/pGYUXTt.gif https://i.imgur.com/x41OELe.gif https://i.imgur.com/pGYUXTt.gif https://i.imgur.com/x41OELe.gif

[Ashsleigh]

SOC was actually doing a pretty good job up until Christmas. Even improved on some of the things from DTC's era. It was probably all the complaints about how boring the show was that caused him to just wreak havoc and **** on everything.

[Rob!]

The EastEnders casting director firing and hiring in EastEnders the last few years.

https://i.imgur.com/pGYUXTt.gif https://i.imgur.com/x41OELe.gif https://i.imgur.com/pGYUXTt.gif https://i.imgur.com/x41OELe.gif https://i.imgur.com/pGYUXTt.gif https://i.imgur.com/x41OELe.gif

:joker::joker::joker:

[Marsh.]

SOC was actually doing a pretty good job up until Christmas. Even improved on some of the things from DTC's era. It was probably all the complaints about how boring the show was that caused him to just wreak havoc and **** on everything.

Don't you bloody well blame us for Ronnie's death, you NASTY bitch of a girl!

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[Ross.]

SOC was actually doing a pretty good job up until Christmas. Even improved on some of the things from DTC's era. It was probably all the complaints about how boring the show was that caused him to just wreak havoc and **** on everything.

Tea

I enjoyed it pretty much until the sisters died and it went downhill from there

[Rob!]

It was alright but that's because DTC's stories were still playing out :hee:

[Marsh.]

Tbh, I saw right through his "social realism bollocks" from around November when he had weeks of the community Christmas play rehearsals.

I warned y'all.

[Ross.]

(Even though the lack of any big story for the Mitchell sisters approaching their exit was terrible)

[Ross.]

It was alright but that's because DTC's stories were still playing out :hee:

The bins a DTC story?

[Rob!]

We are talking about a man who's longest running story in his time were the lack of bin collection. That is still going on ffs

[Rob!]

The bins a DTC story?

You know what I mean, so don't start with your nonsense https://media.giphy.com/media/c6pcNNrrjZ6w0/giphy.gif