Light at the end of the tunnel - Covid [vaccine news]

[The Slim Reaper]

The World Health Org.
Pfizer The 2 Vaccines must be done within 21 days.

Not the long UK 12 weeks

SkyNewsHD
said they stated that while the PM did his Conference, just now.

Still difficult to believe we just decided to freeball it and see what happened, and that people were defending them for it.

[bots]

Still difficult to believe we just decided to freeball it and see what happened, and that people were defending them for it.

well thats not the case is it. The vaccination authority made the decision, and thats their role. I don't know enough about it to know if its right or wrong, but i will happily take any jabs i can get

[Cherie]

1.3 million vaccinated across the UK 23% of over 80s in England vaccinated

Daily figures of vaccinations from Monday

job for Arista

[The Slim Reaper]

well thats not the case is it. The vaccination authority made the decision, and thats their role. I don't know enough about it to know if its right or wrong, but i will happily take any jabs i can get

You have no idea. I was being way more charitable than my actual thoughts on the matter; it's not like this government hasn't already forced numerous professionals to take steps against their own expertise.

Experimenting (which it demonstrably was) on us in the middle of a raging pandemic/mutation, by ignoring the advice of the vaccine manufacturers, can't be whistled away.

[bots]

You have no idea. I was being way more charitable than my actual thoughts on the matter; it's not like this government hasn't already forced numerous professionals to take steps against their own expertise.

Experimenting (which it demonstrably was) on us in the middle of a raging pandemic/mutation, by ignoring the advice of the vaccine manufacturers, can't be whistled away.

i don't believe a word the government says now, but the vaccine authority are independent and if the government had forced them down the greater interval path, someone would have squealed about it by now

[Cherie]

What Whitty said about the interval made sense, time will tell

[The Slim Reaper]

i don't believe a word the government says now, but the vaccine authority are independent and if the government had forced them down the greater interval path, someone would have squealed about it by now

The legal profession is also independent, and well...

[Zizu]

Just watching the South African health minister on Sky News ... their health system is teetering on collapse . Although their new variant doesn’t appear to be any more harmful/severe the ridiculously high numbers involved sadly equate to far worse outcomes ( deaths )

Even more worrying ( if that’s possible) is that doctors on the front line are seeing more and more positive cases in people who have already tested positive for older strains of Covid19 ...


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[Zizu]

I don’t pretend to understand the intricacies of this virus but the SA guy on Sky News just then mentioned something about it being somewhat different as the vaccines that are available concentrate on a protein strand or something but the SA isn’t targeting the same area so companies will have to produce vaccines covering a ‘wider base’ ... his words not mine ..

Hopefully somebody else can explain things better than I can .




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[bots]

I don’t pretend to understand the intricacies of this virus but the SA guy on Sky News just then mentioned something about it being somewhat different as the vaccines that are available concentrate on a protein strand or something but the SA isn’t targeting the same area so companies will have to produce vaccines covering a ‘wider base’ ... his words not mine ..

Hopefully somebody else can explain things better than I can .

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i think it's best to leave them to test their vaccines and not speculate at this point. If we keep going round in circles, we wont achieve anything

[Zizu]

i think it's best to leave them to test their vaccines and not speculate at this point. If we keep going round in circles, we wont achieve anything



That’s true to a point .. just thought people should know that the SA variant is being contracted by people who’d already had Covid19 so it’s entirely feasible that the UK variant MAY also be similar


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[Zizu]

Sky News update on the SA variant



Although ...

Excuse copy and paste .


Britain is putting vulnerable people at risk from mutant variants of the coronavirus by delaying the second dose of the vaccine, according to South Africa's top adviser on immunisations.
South Africa is suffering a sharp spike in cases, driven by a new variant that may reduce the effectiveness of vaccines.
That threat has been underlined by new lab tests showing that antibodies may be at least 10 times less effective against the new variant, which is separate to the mutation that was originally identified in England.

Professor Barry Schoub, chair of the South African government's vaccine advisory committee, told Sky News that border controls won't stop the virus and that giving just one dose would reduce protection in the most vulnerable.

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[arista]

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[arista]

Birmingham
say they have not enough Vaccine
for the amount booked.

[LaLaLand]

Guy on BBC news now said he's seen data today from an immunology lab that looks "promising" re: the vaccines protecting people against the worrisome South Africa strain of COVID.

[arista]

Guy on BBC news now said he's seen data today from an immunology lab that looks "promising" re: the vaccines protecting people against the worrisome South Africa strain of COVID.


Yes that American
Sir John Bell.
at the OxfordAstraZenneca Lab,

[LaLaLand]

Yes that American
Sir John Bell.
at the OxfordAstraZenneca Lab,

Thanks for naming him, missed his introduction.

He's very optimistic, great to see.

[LaLaLand]

First member of my family had the jab yesterday - my Great Aunt got the call yesterday morning and went in the afternoon.

Nice to see first hand the wheels in motion.

[arista]

Thanks for naming him, missed his introduction.

He's very optimistic, great to see.


Yes he knows his stuff
from Oxford University

Later if we get 4 Vaccines
things can improve.

[Cherie]

2 new drugs have been approved for immediate use

I wont try with pronounciation, Bojo failed :laugh:

[bots]

2 new drugs have been approved for immediate use

I wont try with pronounciation, Bojo failed :laugh:

they are intravenous anti inflammatory treatments :laugh:

[Cherie]

they are intravenous anti inflammatory treatments :laugh:

troupmimob!

[Zizu]

Guy on BBC news now said he's seen data today from an immunology lab that looks "promising" re: the vaccines protecting people against the worrisome South Africa strain of COVID.



Some good news after days of just bad news !



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[Zizu]

2 new drugs have been approved for immediate use



I wont try with pronounciation, Bojo failed :laugh:



Even more good news !!


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[user104658]

My wife gets her first dose tomorrow (Oxford jab). Who knows when the 2nd will be lol.

[Mystic Mock]

My wife gets her first dose tomorrow (Oxford jab). Who knows when the 2nd will be lol.

Good luck to her Toy Soldier, hopefully there'll be no complications.

[Mystic Mock]

First member of my family had the jab yesterday - my Great Aunt got the call yesterday morning and went in the afternoon.

Nice to see first hand the wheels in motion.

Hopefully she'll get her second dose sooner rather than later.

[LaLaLand]

Hopefully she'll get her second dose sooner rather than later.

She's had a date/time to go back but I can't remember when she said now. :hehe:

I'll ask her again tomorrow - sure she said March? So not -too-bad. She's just happy she's at least half way there.

[Zizu]

She's had a date/time to go back but I can't remember when she said now. :hehe:

I'll ask her again tomorrow - sure she said March? So not -too-bad. She's just happy she's at least half way there.



That reminded me of this joke ..

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[arista]

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[bots]

Moderna vaccine now approved in the UK

[arista]

Moderna vaccine now approved in the UK


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-approves-use-of-modernas-coronavirus-vaccine-12150649


[The Moderna vaccine has become the
third coronavirus jab to be approved for
use in the UK - with an additional
10 million doses ordered.
The US-based company's vaccine was
shown to have 94% efficacy against
COVID-19 in final trials.
Seven million doses had already been
ordered by the UK government with
a further 10 million expected to follow - but it
will likely not become available until March.]

[Vanessa]

Moderna vaccine now approved in the UK

Brilliant news.

[Vanessa]

Stay strong everyone. We will get through this!

[arista]

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[Zizu]

Brilliant news.



In two months at the soonest though..


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[Mystic Mock]

She's had a date/time to go back but I can't remember when she said now. :hehe:

I'll ask her again tomorrow - sure she said March? So not -too-bad. She's just happy she's at least half way there.

Well good luck to her.

[Mystic Mock]

Stay strong everyone. We will get through this!

This.

It's easy to just give up, but the Vaccines are a strong sign that we're nearly out of the woods.

[Zizu]

This.



It's easy to just give up, but the Vaccines are a strong sign that we're nearly out of the woods.



Define nearly though ...

The new vaccine won’t even be available for at least two months .. we may be losing a couple if THOUSAND people each day in the meantime.




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[Cherie]

Define nearly though ...

The new vaccine won’t even be available for at least two months .. we may be losing a couple if THOUSAND people each day in the meantime.




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Vaccinations will still be going ahead, it not like we gave to wait for Moderna, it’s good to know its coming online snd will boost suoply

Having Moderna vaccine available today would not save those lives :shrug:

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1347647934406516736

NY Governor Andrew Cuomo did this, more people now who can administer the COVID vaccines at distribution sites

https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1347634506510061572

also starting on Monday, NYS will begin vaccinating next group of people

[Zizu]

Vaccinations will still be going ahead, it not like we gave to wait for Moderna, it’s good to know its coming online snd will boost suoply



Having Moderna vaccine available today would not save those lives :shrug:



True


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[Cherie]

How is Mrs TS after her jab?

[Zizu]

Sky News has a specialist speaking .
Dr Zudin Puthucheary who is a an Intensive & Critical Care Consultant in England.

He paints a terrible picture sadly ..

Hospitals are ready to burst , all staff exhausted etc
We have more patients than we’ve ever had to deal with and less staff than ever to treat them .. plus a critical lack

More worryingly he said that 30% of people needing intensive care will die .. BUT the 70% of those that survive will be DISABLED for YEARS to come !

The virus does so much damage to your system but the main problem is that you will lose over 2kg of muscle mass each DAY !!! If you are in intensive care for two to three weeks you lose a frightening amount of muscle mass .


The staff are now having to make decisions.. who lives and who dies .

Watch out for him on Sky News throughout today .. he will be on a regular loop ..



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[bots]

Zizu's motivational daily update :laugh:

[Zizu]

Zizu's motivational daily update :laugh:



I’m actually terrified .

We all cope in different ways ..

Many aren’t taking this disaster seriously.


This guy isn’t a scaremonger .. Check him out on Sky News .

He finished by saying he was SCARED and ANGRY at the public for not staying at home ..

The footfall is apparently double what it was in the first lockdown when things weren’t that desperate !


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[Cherie]

Sky News has a specialist speaking .
Dr Zudin Puthucheary who is a an Intensive & Critical Care Consultant in England.

He paints a terrible picture sadly ..

Hospitals are ready to burst , all staff exhausted etc
We have more patients than we’ve ever had to deal with and less staff than ever to treat them .. plus a critical lack

More worryingly he said that 30% of people needing intensive care will die .. BUT the 70% of those that survive will be DISABLED for YEARS to come !

The virus does so much damage to your system but the main problem is that you will lose over 2kg of muscle mass each DAY !!! If you are in intensive care for two to three weeks you lose a frightening amount of muscle mass .


The staff are now having to make decisions.. who lives and who dies .

Watch out for him on Sky News throughout today .. he will be on a regular loop ..



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Applying some logic here how can he know this? They can’t say how long immunity will last if you catch Covid but he can confidently claim people will suffer for years?

[Cherie]

I’m actually terrified .

We all cope in different ways ..

Many aren’t taking this disaster seriously.


This guy isn’t a scaremonger .. Check him out on Sky News .

He finished by saying he was SCARED and ANGRY at the public for not staying at home ..

The footfall is apparently double what it was in the first lockdown when things weren’t that desperate !


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Why don’t you get yourself signed off by your GP on grounds of stress?

[Zizu]

Applying some logic here how can he know this? They can’t say how long immunity will last if you catch Covid but he can confidently claim people will suffer for years?



He explained better than I can but basically if you lose 2kg of muscle mass each DAY for 14 to 21 days or more .. you will be a terrible state for a very long time .

We’re talking about losing 2kg or 4lb of muscle every day !!

I didn’t even know we had that much muscle mass


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[Zizu]

Why don’t you get yourself signed off by your GP on grounds of stress?



That is a very real possibility in the coming weeks .. sadly .


Still won’t change this dreadful situation we find ourselves in though ..


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[Cherie]

He explained better than I can but basically if you lose 2kg of muscle mass each DAY for 14 to 21 days or more .. you will be a terrible state for a very long time .

We’re talking about losing 2kg or 4lb of muscle every day !!

I didn’t even know we had that much muscle mass


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Honestly if I was as terrified as you are, I would turn off Sky news, what’s the point in ramping up your anxiety, you know what to do to keep you and your family safe...turn it off

[Zizu]

Honestly if I was as terrified as you are, I would turn off Sky news, what’s the point in ramping up your anxiety, you know what to do to keep you and your family safe...turn it off



I don’t have it on much at all .. but we watch it occasionally throughout the day .. That said it’s all over the radio as well .. even TalkSport.

You can’t hide away and not watch telly or listen to the radio ..


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[Vanessa]

I don't watch the news anymore.
I only watch the briefings to keep up to date.
I'm going to wear my mask and keep living my life.
Nothing will stop me.

[bots]

i dont watch covid news anymore, there is no need. We all know what we need to do

[arista]

Tomorrow Monday
a New Number is to be published
the amount that have had the Vaccine

It is to be every day.

[Vanessa]

From what I've seen, the vaccination programme is going great.
We will definitely meet the target required.

[Zizu]

Does anyone recall what the % of Covid patients who need hospital care actually go onto need intensive care ??




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[arista]

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[LaLaLand]

Really feels like [FINALLY] that we're going for it now. Hopefully. The news is terrifying me but this is the glimmer of hope.

All of the staff who work at Great Aunt's care home got their first jabs today, getting their second in March. When the actual residents will get vaccinated idk but it's a step in the right direction at least.

[arista]

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[arista]

Really feels like [FINALLY] that we're going for it now. Hopefully. The news is terrifying me but this is the glimmer of hope.

All of the staff who work at Great Aunt's care home got their first jabs today, getting their second in March. When the actual residents will get vaccinated idk but it's a step in the right direction at least.



Yes some good news there

[Alf]

We need a new bulb for the end of this tunnel.

[Cherie]

We need a new bulb for the end of this tunnel.

I'm standing at the end with me torch what more do you want :fist:

[user104658]

He explained better than I can but basically if you lose 2kg of muscle mass each DAY for 14 to 21 days or more .. you will be a terrible state for a very long time .

We’re talking about losing 2kg or 4lb of muscle every day !!

I didn’t even know we had that much muscle mass


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Again Zizu you literallly can't lose 2kg of muscle a day for 21 days. You do not have 42kg of muscle (unless you're a bodybuilder or a pro wrestler or something... MAYBE a 6'2 Rugby player).

I think 2kg is the absolute peak of muscle loss, and again it applies to anyone in a medical coma / on ventilator, it's not a Covid thing.

With a lot of muscle loss yes it could take months to rebuild that muscle afterwards... muscle deteriorates a LOT faster than it builds. The "years" claim is likely because a lot of the people affected will be older/frail already and thus not able to engage in more intensive physiotherapy. It should really be 6 months max for a younger adult.

[arista]

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[Cherie]

Boots the Chemist will offer vaccination

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/7-new-mass-vaccination-centres-open-and-boots-soon-to-offer-jabs/ar-BB1cDj8L

[bots]

Boots the Chemist will offer vaccination

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/7-new-mass-vaccination-centres-open-and-boots-soon-to-offer-jabs/ar-BB1cDj8L

are they going to charge an obscene amount for doing it like they do with the test?

[Kizzy]

Boots the Chemist will offer vaccination

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/7-new-mass-vaccination-centres-open-and-boots-soon-to-offer-jabs/ar-BB1cDj8L

How's that work then? I looked into how you volunteer as an innoculator and it said you had to be a band 4 nurse .
Will every boots have one of those?

[Cherie]

How's that work then? I looked into how you volunteer as an innoculator and it said you had to be a band 4 nurse .
Will every boots have one of those?

Pretty sure Pharmacists have been giving out the flu jab for years

[Cherie]

are they going to charge an obscene amount for doing it like they do with the test?

:laugh: that will be 900.00 please

[user104658]

How's that work then? I looked into how you volunteer as an innoculator and it said you had to be a band 4 nurse .
Will every boots have one of those?

There's no such thing as a band 4 nurse, that would be a Nursing Associate or experienced HCA. The entry band for a registered nurse is B5.

Pharmacists can give medications (obviously) and are at least B6 NHS equivalent, B7 if they're more experienced. They might need some additional training in giving an injection, but then, so will a lot of nurses and other healthcare staff (as not all roles involve needle use).

That said, most pharmacists definitely don't have time to be giving injections themselves at the best of times, so most likely, the big chain pharmacies would hire nurses or nursing associates to do the actual jabbing (a lot of bigger pharmacies will already have one or two on staff).

[Kizzy]

Pretty sure Pharmacists have been giving out the flu jab for years

Ah so ithat will be the actual pharmacist? On top of their regular work that's a lot I'd say, but fair play if boots are willing to do it and it's free then why not?

[Kizzy]

There's no such thing as a band 4 nurse, that would be a Nursing Associate or experienced HCA. The entry band for a registered nurse is B5.

Pharmacists can give medications (obviously) and are at least B6 NHS equivalent, B7 if they're more experienced. They might need some additional training in giving an injection, but then, so will a lot of nurses and other healthcare staff (as not all roles involve needle use).

That said, most pharmacists definitely don't have time to be giving injections themselves at the best of times, so most likely, the big chain pharmacies would hire nurses or nursing associates to do the actual jabbing (a lot of bigger pharmacies will already have one or two on staff).

Sigh...

Here professor,

Coronavirus vaccine job opportunitiesWork for us – protect the community – save lives

We are looking for healthcare professionals, administrators and volunteers from across Essex and Suffolk to lead our fight against coronavirus – you could be part of it!

Working with NHS colleagues across the two counties, we are gearing up in the next few weeks to open more vaccination centres with the Oxford University/AstraZenaca jab now approved and being rolled out.

We are seeking more great people for the following temporary roles:

Registered clinical managers (band 8a)Registered healthcare professionals (bands 5 and 6)Immunisers (band 4)Healthcare assistants (band 3)Bank admin support (band 3)Volunteer stewards

[AnnieK]

:laugh: that will be 900.00 please

Has your Aunt had her appointment through Cherie?

[bots]

i received a letter from the NHS today that I opened with barely contained excitement. It turned out to be an invitation to have a flu vaccination :fist:

[Zizu]

Again Zizu you literallly can't lose 2kg of muscle a day for 21 days. You do not have 42kg of muscle (unless you're a bodybuilder or a pro wrestler or something... MAYBE a 6'2 Rugby player).



I think 2kg is the absolute peak of muscle loss, and again it applies to anyone in a medical coma / on ventilator, it's not a Covid thing.



With a lot of muscle loss yes it could take months to rebuild that muscle afterwards... muscle deteriorates a LOT faster than it builds. The "years" claim is likely because a lot of the people affected will be older/frail already and thus not able to engage in more intensive physiotherapy. It should really be 6 months max for a younger adult.



Found this online


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Sedated coronavirus patients have suffered delusions and hallucinations, and the mental and physical trauma is so devastating some "say they would rather have died ", says London consultant Dr Zudin Puthucheary


Critically ill patients in comas of a working age lose muscle before fat, with around 2-3% of muscle mass typically wasting away a day, which for a 90kg patient would mean a loss of 1-2kg a day.

Dr Puthucheary, an Intensive Care Society national rehabilitation lead, told Mirror Online: "Some people will be able to say in two to three years time that they are happy to be alive.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-patients-wake-comas-tell-22307375.amp


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[Cherie]

Has your Aunt had her appointment through Cherie?

No nothing yet, she has friends who have been called for theirs but they are with different surgeries. Will let you know when it happens! She wasn't shielding so doesn't come under that cohort

[AnnieK]

How's that work then? I looked into how you volunteer as an innoculator and it said you had to be a band 4 nurse .
Will every boots have one of those?

I've signed up to be a volunteer at the immunisation centres. It will probably just involve signposting people on where they need to go. You have to commit to 2 6 hour shifts a month but could be called for more. I wanted to do the actual injections but self injecting or injecting my mum when she was ill doesn't qualify me unfortunately :laugh: Not heard anything since I registered but hope I get called so I can be of some help at this time.

[AnnieK]

No nothing yet, she has friends who have been called for theirs but they are with different surgeries. Will let you know when it happens! She wasn't shielding so doesn't come under that cohort

Hope its soon for her. My dad is chomping on the bit....he is 4th on the list (over 70 with shielding letter).

[Kizzy]

I've signed up to be a volunteer at the immunisation centres. It will probably just involve signposting people on where they need to go. You have to commit to 2 6 hour shifts a month but could be called for more. I wanted to do the actual injections but self injecting or injecting my mum when she was ill doesn't qualify me unfortunately :laugh: Not heard anything since I registered but hope I get called so I can be of some help at this time.

Yeah I wanted to stick pins in people too lol! My badge makes me band 2. I'm already working silly hours at work so exposed enough tbh really and I know the guards at those sites are on a lot so I'm loathe to do it for free.

[Cherie]

I've signed up to be a volunteer at the immunisation centres. It will probably just involve signposting people on where they need to go. You have to commit to 2 6 hour shifts a month but could be called for more. I wanted to do the actual injections but self injecting or injecting my mum when she was ill doesn't qualify me unfortunately :laugh: Not heard anything since I registered but hope I get called so I can be of some help at this time.

Lovely idea Annie, I hope they call you

[Kizzy]

My mum had her jab on sat, was a bit disappointed she got the Oxford one but I've an awful feeling they're going to run out of the Pfizer before everyone has had their 2nd dose .. so probably for the best.

[AnnieK]

Yeah I wanted to stick pins in people too lol! My badge makes me band 2. I'm already working silly hours at work so exposed enough tbh really and I know the guards at those sites are on a lot so I'm loathe to do it for free.

Ah, I'm furloughed so have plenty of time on my hands. The only concern is for my Dad as he is in our support bubble so hoping he gets called for his jab before I'm needed. I don't mind exposing myself but don't want to put him at any risk when I deliver his shopping etc.

[Kizzy]

Ah, I'm furloughed so have plenty of time on my hands. The only concern is for my Dad as he is in our support bubble so hoping he gets called for his jab before I'm needed. I don't mind exposing myself but don't want to put him at any risk when I deliver his shopping etc.

Did you say you're diabetic? It would probably be a tad risky for you too and as you say your a carer with a young son ... you're doing your bit Annie don't worry :) x

[Cherie]

My mum had her jab on sat, was a bit disappointed she got the Oxford one but I've an awful feeling they're going to run out of the Pfizer before everyone has had their 2nd dose .. so probably for the best.

They can't mix the vaccines so whatever jab you get the second one has to be the same, glad your Mum has been sorted

[Kizzy]

They can't mix the vaccines so whatever jab you get the second one has to be the same, glad your Mum has been sorted

I'm aware of that, I still say there will be an issue with the 2nd pfizer doses in a couple of months due 'logistics' or some such thing.

[AnnieK]

Did you say you're diabetic? It would probably be a tad risky for you too and as you say your a carer with a young son ... you're doing your bit Annie don't worry :) x

No, I'm not diabetic. I had to self inject when I went through IVF so that was what I meant when I said that. I just feel a bit redundant at the moment lol so I have signed up. I had to tell them my current responsibilities so they may not call me but I would love to be able to do something tangible since as I can't work at the moment x

[user104658]

I'm aware of that, I still say there will be an issue with the 2nd pfizer doses in a couple of months due 'logistics' or some such thing.

Yes I suspect they'll have simply given out "half" of the doses they had, without accounting for wastage, so when it comes to round 2 there'll be less-than-half available for a second dose.

[Cherie]

Yes I suspect they'll have simply given out "half" of the doses they had, without accounting for wastage, so when it comes to round 2 there'll be less-than-half available for a second dose.

jeez I hope they can count!

did your wife have any side affects from the jab?

[Kizzy]

No, I'm not diabetic. I had to self inject when I went through IVF so that was what I meant when I said that. I just feel a bit redundant at the moment lol so I have signed up. I had to tell them my current responsibilities so they may not call me but I would love to be able to do something tangible since as I can't work at the moment x

Ah reet, well like you say they know you've someone vulnerable to look after and you'll be homeschooling?
I totally get what you mean though, you just want to participate in some way to feel you've done your bit, but just by adapting to the (changing) advice over the year you have :)

[bots]

they are already well advanced creating version 2 of the phhhhfizer vaccine, so in 2-3 months time the whole manufacture and distribution could be completely different. One of the main things about version 2 will be the ability to keep it at more normal temperatures

[AnnieK]

2.4 million had their first vaccine now. Seems to be speeding up now if we trust their numbers

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1348671022338289669

US president-elect Biden will receive his second dose of Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine

[Zizu]

Sooooo just said in the daily briefing that things won’t improve until mid Feb when we’ve vaccinated the 15 million most vulnerable people ...but hopefully they’ve all been keeping themselves safe at home for most of the time and they’re not the ones currently spreading the infection .... so what difference will all those vaccines do to the massive numbers of daily infections ??

[Cherie]

So I have asked TS twice now how his Mrs got on, can we assume she is galloping around the house neighing due to his lack of response :worry:

[bots]

So I have asked TS twice now how his Mrs got on, can we assume she is galloping around the house neighing due to his lack of response :worry:

with TS asking her .... why the long face?

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Ammi]

COVID vaccines could be 'sent in the post' in future...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/covid-vaccines-sent-in-post-164708758.html

[Cherie]

with TS asking her .... why the long face?

:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

COVID vaccines could be 'sent in the post' in future...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/covid-vaccines-sent-in-post-164708758.html

That's not a bad idea if they can pull it off.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErkMZQoVcAAxRsv?format=jpg&name=small



That headline is the opposite to what I’ve been seeing on the news ??!!?


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[Zizu]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErkMZQFVoAEUIa7?format=jpg&name=small



What’s the story behind this “ forced to slow down “ headline ?

Again this goes against everything we’re seeing on the news ?!?


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[arista]

That headline is the opposite to what I’ve been seeing on the news ??!!?







Yes it's Out Of Date
there is a now a supply issue problem.
Which is why 24/7 injections, will not be offered.

[arista]

What’s the story behind this “ forced to slow down “ headline ?

Again this goes against everything we’re seeing on the news ?!?





Bigger size
yes they are short of supply.

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/15A21/production/_116490688_telegraph-nc.png

[Zizu]

Researchers at the University of Birmingham say they have developed a Covid test that delivers results in just FIVE MINUTES.

The development, hailed as a world first, could be the breakthrough to help get more people safely back to work and play, and control outbreaks more effectively.

It is on course to be fully tested and ready by Easter, say the scientists involved - including a PHD student.

The test could be game-changing, offering on the spot results for airports, restaurants, schools, workplaces and events as well as in healthcare and hospital settings.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/covid-results-5mins-birmingham-scientists-19565500


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[Zizu]

CNN)A leading Chinese Covid-19 vaccine developed by Sinovac Biotech was just 50.38% effective in late-stage trials in Brazil, significantly lower than earlier results showed, according to a statement published by the government of Sao Paulo Tuesday.

While the number exceeds the threshold required for regulatory approval, it falls far below the 78% previously announced, raising questions as to the veracity of the data and fueling skepticism over the apparent lack of transparency regarding Chinese vaccines.


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[Cherie]

Researchers at the University of Birmingham say they have developed a Covid test that delivers results in just FIVE MINUTES.

The development, hailed as a world first, could be the breakthrough to help get more people safely back to work and play, and control outbreaks more effectively.

It is on course to be fully tested and ready by Easter, say the scientists involved - including a PHD student.

The test could be game-changing, offering on the spot results for airports, restaurants, schools, workplaces and events as well as in healthcare and hospital settings.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/covid-results-5mins-birmingham-scientists-19565500


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That's great news

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

She was just interviewed on
Times Radio DAB (and free on internet)



[Joan Bakewell, 87, crowdfunds legal challenge
against government's decision to delay second Pfizer jab
for up to a million pensioners to 12 weeks - despite
evidence it should be 21 days.]

[Officials in the UK decided last month to
use all available doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech
and Oxford/AstraZeneca jabs, to get a single dose
to as many people as possible.
In the process they will leave people waiting up to
12 weeks for their second jab.
The gap between jabs was initially meant
to be only three weeks.]



[Pfizer warned last month there was 'no data' to
show a single dose of its vaccine provided
long-term protection, while the World Health Organisation
refused to back the U-turn.]



Joan herself has had the 2 Injections
so she is doing this legal fight for her mates.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9138095/Joan-Bakewell-87-crowdfunds-legal-challenge-against-decision-delay-second-Pfizer-jab.html

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EruZPV4UcAAlfvI?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErudmIsVkAAiPi9?format=jpg&name=small

[user104658]

CNN)A leading Chinese Covid-19 vaccine developed by Sinovac Biotech was just 50.38% effective in late-stage trials in Brazil, significantly lower than earlier results showed, according to a statement published by the government of Sao Paulo Tuesday.

While the number exceeds the threshold required for regulatory approval, it falls far below the 78% previously announced, raising questions as to the veracity of the data and fueling skepticism over the apparent lack of transparency regarding Chinese vaccines.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProThis is so on-brand for Chinese products, like laptops you see on Wish... "Super Fast Quantum i7 Laptop 16gb MEMORY ultra OLED" and then someone cracks it open and it's a Celeron from 2005 jammed inside a cheap new case :joker:.

"Super BEST vaccine 78% defeat Covid all traces!!"

[user104658]

Side effects update for Cherie as she kept asking:

My wife had;

Immediately after vaccine - sore, stiff arm at vaccination site (found changing gears on the drive home hard, etc)

Rest of that day - had to go for a nap/"feeling the cold" into the evening

Day 2: a little tired/nauseous but not enough to stay off work or anything so very minor.

Day 3+: totally fine.



So reports all good thus far :joker:. A coworker of hers however (who is in her mid 50's, dunno if that's relevant) had a temperature and felt very sick and had to take two days off, but fine after that. This is also second hand info so it's possible her coworker just fancied some time off and was sat with Netflix and popcorn [emoji23].

[AnnieK]

My friends mum had it (aged 73). She reported sore, stiff arm, muzzy headache and a bit flu loke the day after. Fine after 2 days. I guess its like any vaccine. My dad has the flu vaccine every year and some years he has no side effects, other times he feels rotten for a few days after.

[user104658]

My friends mum had it (aged 73). She reported sore, stiff arm, muzzy headache and a bit flu loke the day after. Fine after 2 days. I guess its like any vaccine. My dad has the flu vaccine every year and some years he has no side effects, other times he feels rotten for a few days after.

No side effect usually means no immune response, which usually means immunity is already present... So the years when he has no side effects its likely that his vaccine from the previous year is still giving protection.

Interestingly, on the natural immunity front, one of my wife's friends who got the vaccine had no side effects at all - but she tested positive for antibodies when her whole workplace was tested back in September. She had never had symptoms so she must have had asymptomatic Covid at some point. But having no immune response to the vaccine is interesting as it does mean she most likely still has antibodies from that exposure.

She works in a care home and something like 30% of the staff tested positive for antibodies when only a couple of them had ever had any symptoms :umm2:.

[AnnieK]

No side effect usually means no immune response, which usually means immunity is already present... So the years when he has no side effects its likely that his vaccine from the previous year is still giving protection.

Interestingly, on the natural immunity front, one of my wife's friends who got the vaccine had no side effects at all - but she tested positive for antibodies when her whole workplace was tested back in September. She had never had symptoms so she must have had asymptomatic Covid at some point. But having no immune response to the vaccine is interesting as it does mean she most likely still has antibodies from that exposure.

She works in a care home and something like 30% of the staff tested positive for antibodies when only a couple of them had ever had any symptoms :umm2:.

Ah, that's interesting and makes sense TS. I didn't know that so thanks for the info :love:

[Cherie]

Side effects update for Cherie as she kept asking:

My wife had;

Immediately after vaccine - sore, stiff arm at vaccination site (found changing gears on the drive home hard, etc)

Rest of that day - had to go for a nap/"feeling the cold" into the evening

Day 2: a little tired/nauseous but not enough to stay off work or anything so very minor.

Day 3+: totally fine.



So reports all good thus far :joker:. A coworker of hers however (who is in her mid 50's, dunno if that's relevant) had a temperature and felt very sick and had to take two days off, but fine after that. This is also second hand info so it's possible her coworker just fancied some time off and was sat with Netflix and popcorn [emoji23].

Cheers my aunt had the Pfizer one yesterday and just sore arm so far

[bots]

the 2nd jab seems to affect people the most with a fair proportion feeling feverish

[user104658]

the 2nd jab seems to affect people the most with a fair proportion feeling feverishYes the first one seems to give decent antibody levels so when the second one hits there's a robust immune response (fever and fatigue). I don't think there's been any examples of particularly bad response so far though, the only concerning listed side effect is severe allergic reaction / anaphylactic shock, and if that's going to happen it will happen immediately (which is why they make you hang around for 15 mins after ANY vaccination).

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErtqrO4W8AELfFT?format=jpg&name=small

[hijaxers]

This is so on-brand for Chinese products, like laptops you see on Wish... "Super Fast Quantum i7 Laptop 16gb MEMORY ultra OLED" and then someone cracks it open and it's a Celeron from 2005 jammed inside a cheap new case :joker:.

"Super BEST vaccine 78% defeat Covid all traces!!"

Exactly why we need to stop buying from them its a right con ~ most of the wish stuff is~ and they are responsible for every nutter ownung a stun gun torch at under a tenner !

[Cherie]

3.2 first dose vaccines administered

[user104658]

3.2 first dose vaccines administered

I'm assuming that's million or we're not doing very well :joker:

[Vanessa]

A new vaccination centre has just opened in Wembley :cheer2:

[bots]

I'm assuming that's million or we're not doing very well :joker:

1.6 million in the last week, that pretty good, but will speed up yet i think

[Cherie]

I'm assuming that's million or we're not doing very well :joker:

Oh yeah :laugh:

[Ammi]

More mass vaccination centres opening as target to reach 2m jabs a week appears within reach...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/more-mass-vaccination-centres-opening-021500805.html

[Ammi]

...seems like two contradictory things with the article above...




Doctors told to bin leftover vaccines instead of administering second doses or use them on staff...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/doctos-throw-out-leftover-vaccines-second-doses-nhs-england-154924350.html

[Zizu]

...seems like two contradictory things with the article above...









Doctors told to bin leftover vaccines instead of administering second doses or use them on staff...





https://uk.yahoo.com/news/doctos-throw-out-leftover-vaccines-second-doses-nhs-england-154924350.html



The obvious option is to vaccinate their own staff first then ring nearby surgeries / hospitals to give their staff the chance of a vaccination rather than dumping them .


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[Cherie]

...seems like two contradictory things with the article above...




Doctors told to bin leftover vaccines instead of administering second doses or use them on staff...


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/doctos-throw-out-leftover-vaccines-second-doses-nhs-england-154924350.html

Not according to Simon Stevens on Marr all GPs should have a reserves list from the top 4 priority groups or staff to call on short notice if any vaccines are left over

[AnnieK]

Not according to Simon Stevens on Marr all GPs should have a reserves list from the top 4 priority groups or staff to call on short notice if any vaccines are left over

Is your Aunt ok after having her jab Cherie?

[Cherie]

Is your Aunt ok after having her jab Cherie?

Yes thanks Annie sore arm was the only side effect

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

also the ''corona deaths'' from people after they had the vaccine

hmmm :suspect:

i wanna see some evidence first before i should believe that propaganda, (China is using this against western vaccines now)

could also be regular flu deaths, or from regular pneumonia, it is time of year for those too

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

Israel have data on 400,000 people ( 200,000 vaccinated and a separate 200,000 unvaccinated ) and they are certain that our decision to delay the second vaccine is very concerning.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-real-world-analysis-of-vaccine-in-israel-raises-questions-about-uk-strategy-12192751


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[arista]

Israel have data on 400,000 people ( 200,000 vaccinated and a separate 200,000 unvaccinated ) and they are certain that our decision to delay the second vaccine is very concerning.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-real-world-analysis-of-vaccine-in-israel-raises-questions-about-uk-strategy-12192751



Yes on the Pfizer Vaccine
Its not meant to be 12 weeks wait.

[Zizu]

Yes on the Pfizer Vaccine

Its not meant to be 12 weeks wait.



I’m sure the news clip saw last night said something about it’s effectiveness was as low as 32% as time went on after the initial dose ( without the second three weeks later) that’s far , far lower than our guys were claiming when they made the decision to delay the second dose

Looks like there’s gonna be very limited stocks of Pfizer until March at the earliest according to latest reports this morning


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[arista]

[UK to look 'very carefully' at vaccine dosing after
concerns raised over level of protection]

[The UK will need to look "very carefully" at the
protection provided by the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine,
the government's chief scientific adviser
has told Sky News,
amid concerns its effectiveness is significantly
lower than had been found in trials.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-to-look-very-carefully-at-vaccine-dosing-after-concerns-raised-over-level-of-protection-12193205

[AnnieK]

A report has suggested that the Pfizer vaccine is still effective and neutralises the UK variant of the disease.

[user104658]

A report has suggested that the Pfizer vaccine is still effective and neutralises the UK variant of the disease.

My wife got Pfizer about 10 days ago :flutter:. I'm going to start sending her to do all the shopping from next week :joker: (not really of course - though she has insisted that she'll start doing the weekly shop on the way home from work).

Also, she hasn't grown any extra limbs or anything yet so it's all looking good.

[Vanessa]

I'm doing my shopping online until at least spring.
Much safer this way.
I still go to the shops, but only occasionally.

[AnnieK]

Boris has just been to survey the flood damage near me. He flew over my house in a helicopter and landed at the golf club nearby :amazed:

My Dad wanted me to go and ask where his vaccine is :laugh:

[bots]

Boris has just been to survey the flood damage near me. He flew over my house in a helicopter and landed at the golf club nearby :amazed:

My Dad wanted me to go and ask where his vaccine is :laugh:

i was expecting you to say, he flew overhead and took your leaking loft off with him :laugh:

[AnnieK]

i was expecting you to say, he flew overhead and took your leaking loft off with him :laugh:

:laugh:

I bloody wish, I could have got him to pay to fix it then

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsS2TlWUUAELf6V?format=jpg&name=small

[Cherie]

400,000 vaccination given in last 24 hours

71% of over 80s vaccinated

2/3 of care homes complete

First doses

[DouglasS]

400,000 vaccination given in last 24 hours

71% of over 80s vaccinated

2/3 of care homes complete

First doses

That’s very good :clap1:

We will see the effect on deaths in about 3-4 weeks, and so come March!

[Cherie]

Boris has just been to survey the flood damage near me. He flew over my house in a helicopter and landed at the golf club nearby :amazed:

My Dad wanted me to go and ask where his vaccine is :laugh:

did you shake your fist at him Annie :laugh:

[Nicky91]

400,000 vaccination given in last 24 hours

71% of over 80s vaccinated

2/3 of care homes complete

First doses

very good news :love:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsW0-VlXMAAywCh?format=jpg&name=small

[Ramsay]

Fair ****s to the tories I hate them with a passion but well done with the vaccine rollout!

[LaLaLand]

400,000 vaccination given in last 24 hours

71% of over 80s vaccinated

2/3 of care homes complete

First doses

This is extremely encouraging!

[Bollo]

My colleagues dad had the pfizer vaccine at the end of December ...but he's now in hospital with COVID...

[Zizu]

My colleagues dad had the pfizer vaccine at the end of December ...but he's now in hospital with COVID...



Presumably contracted it before the vaccine kicked in ??

Although they’re not 100% guaranteed are they


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[arista]

My colleagues dad had the pfizer vaccine at the end of December ...but he's now in hospital with COVID...


I assume he relaxed
they are saying it takes up to 3 weeks to get better protection

[Mystic Mock]

Fair ****s to the tories I hate them with a passion but well done with the vaccine rollout!

No tbf they have done well so far.

Hopefully they'll be just as good when people have got to take the second dose.

[Nicky91]

that are 5 million more than Netherlands, here just a few thousand or something, again complaints like there is not enough vaccine


so well done to all the countries who have vaccinated many many people so far :clap1:

[Zizu]

that are 5 million more than Netherlands, here just a few thousand or something, again complaints like there is not enough vaccine


so well done to all the countries who have vaccinated many many people so far :clap1:


We all need this new ONE DOSE vaccine ASAP

https://www.theweek.co.uk/951626/how-janssen-single-shot-covid-vaccine-works



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[Cherie]

My colleagues dad had the pfizer vaccine at the end of December ...but he's now in hospital with COVID...

If they got vaccinated end of December, it takes up to 21 days to produce antibodies so that takes us to this week, and even then for now the same precautions will apply as if non vaccinated

[arista]

A BMA Doctor
has leaked a Letter
saying the Pfizer 2nd Vaccine must be
no longer than 6weeks.

[Zizu]

A BMA Doctor
has leaked a Letter
saying the Pfizer 2nd Vaccine must be
no longer than 6weeks.



This is gonna get interesting..


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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Vaccine Shortage
due that Factory Re-fit.

[Cherie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Esh-r1QXUAAXfLf?format=jpg&name=small

what the hell :laugh: they don't know if the vaccines will stop transmission so how is vaccinating the kids going to stop the vulnerable from dying :shrug:

500,000 vaccinated on Saturday

[arista]

Moderna Vaccine has new Neutralizing Activity
Against the South African and Brazilian Varients.

UK is due 17million Moderna Vaccines in the Spring.

SkyNewsHD Live

[Nicky91]

lVuYAbHrWPU

a parody was made based on Alphabeat - Fascination, titled ''Vaccination''

by a Doctor David

more like a fun way to make people aware they need to vaccinate 'our way out of this pandemic mess'

[Vanessa]

Moderna Vaccine has new Neutralizing Activity
Against the South African and Brazilian Varients.

UK is due 17million Moderna Vaccines in the Spring.

SkyNewsHD Live

That's brilliant news!

[Zizu]

Moderna Vaccine has new Neutralizing Activity
Against the South African and Brazilian Varients.

UK is due 17million Moderna Vaccines in the Spring.

SkyNewsHD Live



Thank the lawd ...


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[arista]

Moderna vaccine appears to work against variants


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55797312

That link says UK and South Africa.

[Vanessa]

We're doing so well with the vaccines.
I'm so proud!

[arista]

We're doing so well with the vaccines.
I'm so proud!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsnCxCZVEAAHVfe?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsnCxCbU4AEQ2kL?format=jpg&name=small

[LaLaLand]

God I really, really, really hope all of these different jabs work against every variant.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/159F6/production/_116666588_thetimes-nc.png

[Zizu]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/159F6/production/_116666588_thetimes-nc.png



This sounds ominous..


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[arista]

Infact, its to do with UK Astra Vaccine
reducing the amount of stock going to them.



Vaccine Shortages.


Ref:GMBHD itv.

[Cherie]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/159F6/production/_116666588_thetimes-nc.png

Can they do that to a private company? what is the intimation here that Pfizer are sending all their stock to the UK, seems a baseless accusation :shrug:

[arista]

Can they do that to a private company? what is the intimation here that Pfizer are sending all their stock to the UK, seems a baseless accusation :shrug:



This down to the UK telling the EU
they will get 80Million doses from UK AstraZeneca
by March 2021.

Now they have been told
they will get 30 million.


Brussels Reporter on BBCnewsHD Live

[Cherie]

This down to the UK telling the EU
they will get 80Million doses from UK AstraZeneca
by March 2021.

Now they have been told
they will get 30 million.


Brussels Reporter on BBCnewsHD Live

is that a production issue? didn't know AZ had been approved in the EU

[arista]

is that a production issue? didn't know AZ had been approved in the EU



Its down to Johnson PM
wanting more UK stock
we are up to Over 6 Million vaccinated.



The EU Legally Ordered
AstraZenneca From Oxford
for many of its nations.

[But "some" EU nations have yet to approve it]

[Nicky91]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55805903

EU to tighten vaccine exports with Astra-Zeneca


Other nations, including Australia and Thailand, have said they have also been told of a drop in AstraZeneca supply.

[arista]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55805903

EU to tighten vaccine exports with Astra-Zeneca


Other nations, including Australia and Thailand, have said they have also been told of a drop in AstraZeneca supply.



Yes they can not Supply the World Fully
until the UK is all done.

[Nicky91]

Yes they can not Supply the World Fully
until the UK is all done.

fair enough

then we have to up the production of Pfizer instead, or speed up the Janssen's progress to compensate

[arista]

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[Cherie]

Imperial pause trials on their vaccine to concentrate on tackling the variants

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/imperial-college-london-halts-testing-of-covid-19-vaccine-to-focus-on-new-variants/ar-BB1d6LFa

cientists at Imperial College London have announced they will not be proceeding with large-scale testing of their Covid-19 vaccine because of the rapid approval of other jabs within the UK.

Professor Robin Shattock said his team would instead be using the RNA technology behind the vaccine to target new and emerging coronavirus variants that have been identified around the world.

“Although our first generation Covid-19 vaccine candidate is showing promise in early clinical development, the broader situation has changed with the rapid rollout of approved vaccines,” Prof Shattock said in a statement on Tuesday.

“It is not the right time to start a new efficacy trial for a further vaccine in the UK, with the emphasis rightly placed on mass vaccination in response to the rapid spread of the new variant.”

He said his team would begin working to develop the vaccine technology as “a safety net to catch escape mutations, reach variants that other vaccines may not, and meet potential needs for annual booster vaccinations”.

Similar in design to the Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines, the Imperial College jab makes use of self-amplifying RNA to deliver genetic instructions to human muscle cells, which then go on to produce the spike protein found on the surface of Sars-CoV-2.

[Nicky91]

1354060537668247552

the sheer irony there

EU's Ursula had said she wants the vaccines to be available for entire europe not just for eu countries

[Zizu]

Imperial pause trials on their vaccine to concentrate on tackling the variants



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/imperial-college-london-halts-testing-of-covid-19-vaccine-to-focus-on-new-variants/ar-BB1d6LFa



cientists at Imperial College London have announced they will not be proceeding with large-scale testing of their Covid-19 vaccine because of the rapid approval of other jabs within the UK.



Professor Robin Shattock said his team would instead be using the RNA technology behind the vaccine to target new and emerging coronavirus variants that have been identified around the world.



“Although our first generation Covid-19 vaccine candidate is showing promise in early clinical development, the broader situation has changed with the rapid rollout of approved vaccines,” Prof Shattock said in a statement on Tuesday.



“It is not the right time to start a new efficacy trial for a further vaccine in the UK, with the emphasis rightly placed on mass vaccination in response to the rapid spread of the new variant.”



He said his team would begin working to develop the vaccine technology as “a safety net to catch escape mutations, reach variants that other vaccines may not, and meet potential needs for annual booster vaccinations”.



Similar in design to the Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines, the Imperial College jab makes use of self-amplifying RNA to deliver genetic instructions to human muscle cells, which then go on to produce the spike protein found on the surface of Sars-CoV-2.



That sounds ominous ...


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[Cherie]

That sounds ominous ...


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makes sense? there are many vaccines on the go now so they lost the race with that one

[user104658]

That sounds ominous ...


It really doesn't, it sounds sensible :joker:. They're basically saying that they think there's enough vaccine "on the market" already so there's no point them adding another version to the pile that will more or less be just the same vaccine, so rather than wasting time on it they're moving on to other areas of study with the virus/vaccines.

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/DailyMailCeleb/status/1354293098206138368


She also urged fans to wear a mask, telling them: 'Consider this an order from your Captain - continue to mask up & register to receive your vaccine ASAP'

[arista]

AstraZeneca defends EU vaccine rollout plan


[The head of AstraZeneca has defended its rollout
of the coronavirus vaccine in the EU,
amid tension with member states over delays in supply.
Pascal Soriot told Italian newspaper La Repubblica that
his team was working "24/7 to fix the very many
issues of production of the vaccine".
He said production was
"basically two months behind where we wanted to be".

He also said the EU's late decision to sign contracts
had given limited time to sort out hiccups with supply.
Mr Soriot, chief executive of the UK-Swedish multinational,
said a contract with the UK had been signed three
months before the one with the EU,
giving more time for glitches to be ironed out.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55817633


This should be the Main news
Running out of all vaccines.

[Cherie]

AstraZeneca defends EU vaccine rollout plan


[The head of AstraZeneca has defended its rollout
of the coronavirus vaccine in the EU,
amid tension with member states over delays in supply.
Pascal Soriot told Italian newspaper La Repubblica that
his team was working "24/7 to fix the very many
issues of production of the vaccine".
He said production was
"basically two months behind where we wanted to be".

He also said the EU's late decision to sign contracts
had given limited time to sort out hiccups with supply.
Mr Soriot, chief executive of the UK-Swedish multinational,
said a contract with the UK had been signed three
months before the one with the EU,
giving more time for glitches to be ironed out.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55817633


This should be the Main news
Running out of all vaccines.

well that is a point!

[bots]

The uk signed up for the AZ vaccine 3 months before the EU did. It's perfectly normal that given that we would get first divs on the supply (and we approved it where the EU have not yet)

[Cherie]

The uk signed up for the AZ vaccine 3 months before the EU did. It's perfectly normal that given that we would get first divs on the supply (and we approved it where the EU have not yet)

I was pretty sure this was the case but Arista said it was not :hee:

[AnnieK]

My Dad has just had his call....he is getting jabbed tomorrow :amazed:

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: 3 weeks after first vaccination, same person who got the first jab, also got her second jab now the 39 yr old care worker Sanna Elkadiri

[Cherie]

My Dad has just had his call....he is getting jabbed tomorrow :amazed:

Fantastic news Annie

[AnnieK]

Fantastic news Annie
Thank you :love:
He's proper made up. :laugh:

[Cherie]

7.16 million first dose vaccinated today

EU want the UK AZ plants to make up the shortfall in the AZ Belgium and Netherlands plants as they cant meet the doses promised

[Cherie]

Thank you :love:
He's proper made up. :laugh:

Let us know how he gets on

[bots]

My Dad has just had his call....he is getting jabbed tomorrow :amazed:

oh that's great Annie!

[Cherie]

Promising early data out of Israel regarding the vaccine reducing transmission by 60%

[Vanessa]

Promising early data out of Israel regarding the vaccine reducing transmission by 60%

Thats very good. We should see the effects from middle February.

[Vanessa]

The vaccination programme is going so well.
We're definitely going to meet the target!

[MTVN]

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[arista]

Yes MTVN
Tit for Tat

They do not get the big AstraZeneca order
only 31,000

So do we get supply of our Paid EU Pfizer stock?


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[arista]

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[Nicky91]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55836463

EU and AstraZeneca seek to resolve vaccine crisis

The EU and the UK-based Covid vaccine maker AstraZeneca have vowed to work together to resolve a bitter row over supply shortages to the 27-member bloc.

This comes after crisis talks which both sides described as "constructive".

AstraZeneca earlier said it could deliver only a fraction of the doses it promised in January-March, blaming production issues at European plants.

But the EU said the firm must honour its commitments and deliver the jabs by diverting stock from the UK.

The contract between the EU and AstraZeneca contains a confidentiality clause - but the EU has asked the company to release the details nevertheless.

Reports said last week the EU would get 60% fewer vaccine doses - about 50 million jabs - than promised in the first quarter of the year.

The AstraZeneca vaccine, developed with Oxford University, has not yet been approved by the EU, although this is expected on Friday.

The EU - which has been criticised for the slow rollout of its inoculations - is also facing delays with supplies of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. The bloc has a much bigger deal with the US-German vaccine-maker.

Meanwhile, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson said: "I'm confident of our supplies and we'll keep rolling out vaccines as fast we possibly can. I am very pleased at the moment that we have the fastest rollout of vaccines in Europe by some way."

After Wednesday's crisis talks, EU Health Commissioner Stella Kyriakides expressed regret over the "continued lack of clarity on the delivery schedule".

"We will work with the company to find solutions and deliver vaccines rapidly for EU citizens," she tweeted.

An AstraZeneca spokesman said the company had "committed to even closer co-ordination to jointly chart a path for the delivery of our vaccine over the coming months".

Ms Kyriakides stressed before the talks that UK factories, which have not experienced production problems, were part of its deal with the company and had to deliver.

"The 27 European Union member states are united that AstraZeneca needs to deliver on its commitments in our agreements," she said.

In an interview on Tuesday with Italian newspaper La Repubblica, AstraZeneca CEO Pascal Soriot said the contract compelled it to make its "best effort", rather than obliging it to meet a set deadline for delivery of the vaccines.

Ms Kyriakides said this characterisation of the deal was "not correct or acceptable".

She added that the EU rejected "the logic of first-come first-serve".

"That may work at the neighbourhood butcher's but not in contracts, and not in our advanced purchase agreements."

Ms Kyriakides appeared to be responding to Mr Soriot, who said that the UK had signed its contract with AstraZeneca three months before the EU and that this extra time had been used to "fix all the glitches we experienced" regarding the UK.

What are the supply problems?
The EU signed a deal with AstraZeneca in August for 300 million doses, with an option for 100 million more, but the UK-Swedish company has reported production delays at two plants, one in the Netherlands and one in Belgium.

Mr Soriot said production was "basically two months behind where we wanted to be".

Italy was among the countries threatening to sue over the delays.

EU and vaccines
448mEU population

8.4mPeople received vaccine so far (1.9%)

2.3bnDoses ordered overall

400mDoses ordered from AstraZeneca (Not yet EMA approved) - 17% of total

The EU had hoped that, as soon as approval was given, delivery would start straight away, with some 80 million doses arriving in the 27 nations by March.

Officials have not confirmed publicly how big the shortfall will be, but Reuters news agency reported that deliveries would be reduced to 31 million in the first quarter of this year.

The EU has also ordered 2.3 billion doses of vaccines from four other companies, of which only those of Pfizer/BioNTech (600 million) and Moderna (160 million) have been approved.

[AnnieK]

My Dad had the AstraZeneca injection at 8.30 this morning. He said it was very well organised and he was in and out in just over 15 minutes as he had to wait to check for any immediate side effects/reactions. Back in 12 weeks for second dose.

[Ammi]

My Dad had the AstraZeneca injection at 8.30 this morning. He said it was very well organised and he was in and out in just over 15 minutes as he had to wait to check for any immediate side effects/reactions. Back in 12 weeks for second dose.

...for Annie’s dad...

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...:love:..

[Cherie]

My Dad had the AstraZeneca injection at 8.30 this morning. He said it was very well organised and he was in and out in just over 15 minutes as he had to wait to check for any immediate side effects/reactions. Back in 12 weeks for second dose.

:love:

[AnnieK]

...for Annie’s dad...

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...:love:..

:love:

Thank you :amazed:

[MTVN]

Great news Annie

My 93 year old Grandma has had her first jab this morning too. She lives in the Isle of Man so it's been a bit slower to get to her but they're pretty much Covid free there anyway. They've transformed the airport into a vaccination centre and she was adament she would drive there and back herself but has eventually relented and let my cousin drive her in case her arm was sore afterwards or anything, just as well because she's an awful driver at the best of times

[Cherie]

Great news Annie

My 93 year old Grandma has had her first jab this morning too. She lives in the Isle of Man so it's been a bit slower to get to her but they're pretty much Covid free there anyway. They've transformed the airport into a vaccination centre and she was adament she would drive there and back herself but has eventually relented and let my cousin drive her in case her arm was sore afterwards or anything, just as well because she's an awful driver at the best of times

:laugh: :love: