Light at the end of the tunnel - Covid [vaccine news]

[Cherie]

Republic doesn't need that many jabs, and UK should first take care of its own, since not all british people have been vaccinated yet, so Boris bad move this, be more selfish and take care of all of your own public first

It will not interrupt UK rollout

[Nicky91]

It will not interrupt UK rollout

good, since Boris always needs to have the ''UK First'' mindset of course

and Republic doesn't have that many people so

[Cherie]

good, since Boris always needs to have the ''UK First'' mindset of course

and Republic doesn't have that many people so

4 million so the jabs would cover 50% approx getting two doses

[AnnieK]

With a border with a UK country, Boris is right to do this. Keeps citizens protected on both side of the border to help minimise spread and deaths

[Nicky91]

With a border with a UK country, Boris is right to do this. Keeps citizens protected on both side of the border to help minimise spread and deaths

same how Germany sending jabs to the border area of Czech Republic since that whole area is high risk of infection

[bots]

i think its a smart move to help out the republic, and i think we should extend that to france too. Then let the EU stick that in their pipe and smoke it :laugh:

[Nicky91]

i think its a smart move to help out the republic, and i think we should extend that to france too. Then let the EU stick that in their pipe and smoke it :laugh:

France doesn't deserve those jabs if they remain that vaccine hesitant

and after Macron's nasty finger pointing

[user104658]

The UK handing out millions of vaccines to France would be such a massive political troll on the EU :hehe:.

[Nicky91]

The UK handing out millions of vaccines to France would be such a massive political troll on the EU :hehe:.

don't give them to those irrelevant french people


you want a WW3, you'll get one then

[Vanessa]

France doesn't deserve those jabs if they remain that vaccine hesitant

and after Macron's nasty finger pointing

If the EU had been nicer we would have given them some.
But after the way they behaved, they don't deserve any from us.
They'll get them from Europe.

[Nicky91]

If the EU had been nicer we would have given them some.
But after the way they behaved, they don't deserve any from us.
They'll get them from Europe.

and poorer countries get them from Covax, so if UK wants to donate some, give them to Covax fund instead, that one is those who need it more than others and those who also really want them and going to use them

[arista]

[People vaccinated up to and including 27 March 2021

First dose: 30,151,287

Second dose: 3,527,481]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's ex Mrs Lt and my brother and his wife done today

:amazed:

[Cherie]

@Zizu, I was chatting to someone today who had their second Pfizer jab, no symptoms first time round, nothing for 3 days after 2nd jab but then felt rough for 2 days with chills and muscle ache ...:worry:

[Zizu]

@Zizu, I was chatting to someone today who had their second Pfizer jab, no symptoms first time round, nothing for 3 days after 2nd jab but then felt rough for 2 days with chills and muscle ache ...:worry:



Yeah I’ve heard that kind of thing from a few sources .. still “ forewarned is forearmed “ as the saying goes so at least we won’t panic if we do have a rough couple of days ..


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[Nicky91]

[People vaccinated up to and including 27 March 2021

First dose: 30,151,287

Second dose: 3,527,481]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

all this vaccine data will be irrelevant next year, when everyone needs to be vaccinated again, you start from 0 again

[Cherie]

all this vaccine data will be irrelevant next year, when everyone needs to be vaccinated again, you start from 0 again

so will every country?

more likely to be a booster jab so a one off, and may be incorporated into the annual flu jab so we have to wait an see what happens science wise!

[Nicky91]

so will every country?

more likely to be a booster jab so a one off, and may be incorporated into the annual flu jab so we have to wait an see what happens science wise!

yes


so the vaccine is more a burden than a relief, another one you have to take every year, same as the regular flu jab

[Cherie]

yes


so the vaccine is more a burden than a relief, another one you have to take every year, same as the regular flu jab

hardly a burden if it stops your nearest and dearest dying :laugh:

[Nicky91]

hardly a burden if it stops your nearest and dearest dying :laugh:

what? many have died of the vaccine either

[Cherie]

what? many have died of the vaccine either

maybe in the Netherlands, not heard of that here. like any vaccine ever made it wont save everyone

[bots]

how is getting something that saves your life a burden :crazy:

Nicky, you need to be more careful about the twitter sources you read, too many times now you are speaking nonsense

[Marsh.]

yes


so the vaccine is more a burden than a relief, another one you have to take every year, same as the regular flu jab

Erm vaccines lift a burden on hospital services.

[Nicky91]

Erm vaccines lift a burden on hospital services.

well only because those with side effects from the vaccine don't go to hospital

[Niamh.]

The UK government is planning to offer 3.7 million Covid jabs to the Republic, in part to help lift the lockdown in Northern Ireland, which could raise tensions with the European Union.

It would be the first time the UK has exported vaccines to the EU, but the plan was described by a British cabinet minister as a “poke in the eye for Brussels” because it could disrupt EU unity.

Sunday Times

Ohh that's a very strategic move there, we should still take them though especially because of the NI issue, it would be for both our benefit and NI's

[user104658]

well only because those with side effects from the vaccine don't go to hospital

Because they don't need to go to hospital :think:. Honestly it wasn't the best I've ever felt but it was literally feeling a bit tired/run down and a slight headache for a few days, it's nothing to be that concerned about. Honestly I had worse 2 or 3 times a week when I was a uni student, courtesy of Jack Daniels :joker:

[Vanessa]

Yes, I felt extremely tired after my covid jab.
But it only lasted a day, I was better the next day.

[arista]

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Posted on other thread,as well.

[arista]

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Yes get some from Russia
Macron and Merkel.

[Nicky91]

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Yes get some from Russia
Macron and Merkel.

oh well Putin has proven during coronacrisis to be quite trustworthy, and willing to help

ask Italy

Sputnik is also quite effective too

[Cherie]

Germany have now paused AZ for under 60s after 31 cases (9 deaths) in 2.7 million doses given, the rare blood clot is naturally occurring and is not new and there is no causal link so far to AZ vaccine, and has so far seems to be affecting only women, what a strange vaccine this is to be so picky?

[Nicky91]

Germany have now paused AZ for under 60s after 31 cases (9 deaths) in 2.7 million doses given, the rare blood clot is naturally occurring and is not new and there is no causal link so far to AZ vaccine, and has so far seems to be affecting only women, what a strange vaccine this is to be so picky?

majority is women, and a few men, but all under 60's


yes all people's lives matter, so of course you can have some of those saying ''only 9 deaths in 2.7 million doses'' but that is not ethical, you need to protect all lives


''no causal link to AZ'' ok fair enough no evidence true, but it seems to be more than just coincidence now anyway (not just in germany, also earlier in italy, and scandinavian countries whom don't want to use AZ entirely after these reports of blood clots)

[Cherie]

majority is women, and a few men, but all under 60's


yes all people's lives matter, so of course you can have some of those saying ''only 9 deaths in 2.7 million doses'' but that is not ethical, you need to protect all lives


''no causal link to AZ'' ok fair enough no evidence true, but it seems to be more than just coincidence now anyway (not just in germany, also earlier in italy, and scandinavian countries whom don't want to use AZ entirely after these reports of blood clots)

Give it to countries that will use it then. Asking someone of age 60 to use it is when they won't give it to someone aged 59 is unethical in my view.

[Nicky91]

Give it to countries that will use it then. Asking someone of age 60 to use it is when they won't give it to someone aged 59 is unethical in my view.

no, since there are no reports of blood clots over 60's

[bots]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2021/4/1/6702212a-21d3-4904-8412-59e3ff72cc08.jpg

Russia has announced it has registered what it says is the world's first coronavirus vaccine specifically for animals.

While scientists say there is currently no evidence that animals play a significant role in spreading the disease to people, infections have been confirmed in various species worldwide.

These include dogs, cats, apes and even mink.

To address these infections, scientists are developing Covid-19 vaccines that are specially designed for animals.

[Nicky91]

yes pets but would be more wise to look into this for some more evidence in spreading it to people before this ''pet covid vaccine''


i mean animals on its own the virus well symptoms for them are more asymptomatic, or at least what i saw at start of pandemic, in zoo's with some lions (sneezing, coughing mostly)

[arista]

[People vaccinated up to and including 31 March 2021

First dose: 31,147,444

Second dose: 4,513,458]


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Cherie]

30 cases of blood clots now reported in 18 million AZ doses administered.

he MHRA said on Thursday there had been "22 reports of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) and 8 reports of other thrombosis events with low platelets".

The figures cover 9 December 2020 to 21 March this year, when 15.8 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine had been administered, and around 2.2 million second doses.


"The number and nature of suspected adverse reactions reported so far are not unusual in comparison to other types of routinely used vaccines," said the MHRA report.

Its said the most common side effects reported for both the Pfizer and Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccines were "injection-site reactions" such as a sore arm, and general flu-like symptoms like headache, chills, aching, fatigue and nausea.

These are normal reactions to any vaccine as the body produces an immune response and should disappear after a day or two, said the MHRA.

It said the side effects are reported more frequently in younger people.


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/thirty-blood-clot-cases-reported-in-uk-after-18-million-oxford-jabs/ar-BB1fetU2

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: there were 5 reports of blood clots few days after AZ vaccine jab


but then again that is a small amount, 5 - 400.000 AZ doses administered


these reports are all women below 65

[arista]

Netherlands: there were 5 reports of blood clots few days after AZ vaccine jab


but then again that is a small amount, 5 - 400.000 AZ doses administered


these reports are all women below 65


But they would have the Blood Clots ANYWAY

[Cherie]

But they would have the Blood Clots ANYWAY

There is more risk taking the pill, but it's just accepted

[user104658]

There is more risk taking the pill, but it's just accepted

You're also like 10x more likely to be in a serious car crash than to suffer an embolism after a vaccine and people literally don't think twice about hopping in a car, several times a day.

We (humans) have generally poor risk perception, basically. We automatically perceive "weird new things" (like a vaccine in a global pandemic) to be more risky than "everyday things" (driving a car, swimming in the ocean, drinking alcohol...) when the cold hard data shows that those things are actually much more likely to kill or injure you.

[bots]

You're also like 10x more likely to be in a serious car crash than to suffer an embolism after a vaccine and people literally don't think twice about hopping in a car, several times a day.

We (humans) have generally poor risk perception, basically. We automatically perceive "weird new things" (like a vaccine in a global pandemic) to be more risky than "everyday things" (driving a car, swimming in the ocean, drinking alcohol...) when the cold hard data shows that those things are actually much more likely to kill or injure you.

most of whom probably got in the car to have a vaccine ... i wonder if the AZ vaccine is also responsible for more traffic accidents ... i bet it is

[arista]

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[Zizu]

You're also like 10x more likely to be in a serious car crash than to suffer an embolism after a vaccine and people literally don't think twice about hopping in a car, several times a day.



We (humans) have generally poor risk perception, basically. We automatically perceive "weird new things" (like a vaccine in a global pandemic) to be more risky than "everyday things" (driving a car, swimming in the ocean, drinking alcohol...) when the cold hard data shows that those things are actually much more likely to kill or injure you.



I hope it’s far more than TEN times more likely !!! Is that just a figure you’ve plucked from the stars ?


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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: Municipal Health Service or (GGD's) here indefinitely halt administering AZ vaccine to every age group


in Netherlands not all elderly are vaccinated as of now, and with the recent reports of how dangerous AZ is, better to halt with that one entirely

[user104658]

I hope it’s far more than TEN times more likely !!! Is that just a figure you’ve plucked from the stars ?


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It was a rough estimation to illustrate I didn't check the actual numbers, and I was thinking "a serious car crash at some point in a given time e.g. in each year" not a serious crash at any time in your life. The chances of being in a serious non-fatal crash are actually quite high. Anecdotally I'd say maybe about 1 in 5 to 10? I know loads of people who have been. I was in a write-off crash in a friend's car as a teenager :worry:. No one seriously hurt though, cracked rib and whiplash.

[Zizu]

It was a rough estimation to illustrate I didn't check the actual numbers, and I was thinking "a serious car crash at some point in a given time e.g. in each year" not a serious crash at any time in your life. The chances of being in a serious non-fatal crash are actually quite high. Anecdotally I'd say maybe about 1 in 5 to 10? I know loads of people who have been. I was in a write-off crash in a friend's car as a teenager :worry:. No one seriously hurt though, cracked rib and whiplash.



Ah ..


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[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/DailyMailCeleb/status/1378313922894303232

[Cherie]

https://twitter.com/DailyMailCeleb/status/1378313922894303232

she 'opened up' to say the vaccination programme hadn't reached their age group yet :laugh:

[Vicky.]

she 'opened up' to say the vaccination programme hadn't reached their age group yet :laugh:

By what a fantastic reason.

My reason also actually, lets shout it from the rooftops :D

[Zizu]

she 'opened up' to say the vaccination programme hadn't reached their age group yet :laugh:


Guessing she was joking given they’re both well over 60 ?

Our son is 34 ( in Florida) and scheduled for his next week


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[Cherie]

Guessing she was joking given they’re both well over 60 ?

Our son is 34 ( in Florida) and scheduled for his next week


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Think it might depend on the State, I have cousins in Mass and they are just starting on the 60s there

[Zizu]

Think it might depend on the State, I have cousins in Mass and they are just starting on the 60s there



Ah..


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[Vicky.]

Think it might depend on the State, I have cousins in Mass and they are just starting on the 60s there

Seems to be by area here too. Our surgery was booking in any age a couple weeks back as got all over 35s done apparently. Yet seems, some places are only onto 55s and such

[Beso]

I got my letter sent to my scottish address, my vaccine is the 14th april up in scotland.


I went to a vaccine centre inside the crystal palace ground on Wednesday to see if I could get it.done down here..

The actual head doctor came out and said he would do it there and then..

I politely declined, stating I had 3 other households to visit. Yet i left him assured, that i was assured that i could walk into any vac centre down here and get it done.

I called the nhs Scotland number when I got home that night, and can only say I was met by a yawning helpless mess, that could only say we have no correspondence records with nhs england..

[Cherie]

I got my letter sent to my scottish address, my vaccine is the 14th april up in scotland.


I went to a vaccine centre inside the crystal palace ground on Wednesday to see if I could get it.done down here..

The actual head doctor came out and said he would do it there and then..

I politely declined, stating I had 3 other households to visit. Yet i left him assured, that i was assured that i could walk into any vac centre down here and get it done.

I called the nhs Scotland number when I got home that night, and can only say I was met by a yawning helpless mess, that could only say we have no correspondence records with nhs england..

Are you registered with a GP here Parm, they might be able to help? Mr C registered 6 weeks ago and is still waiting for his number to be issued

[user104658]

You could just have got it done parm, it takes like 3 minutes and any side effects usually wouldn’t come until the next day so you’d have been fine to go back to work :hee:

[Nicky91]

a big breakthrough here now, it seems we haven't been giving the correct amounts of the AZ vaccine, but way too much in one jab :facepalm: no wonder there was blood clot problem :umm2: and that calls itself doctors over here

[Vanessa]

a big breakthrough here now, it seems we haven't been giving the correct amounts of the AZ vaccine, but way too much in one jab :facepalm: no wonder there was blood clot problem :umm2: and that calls itself doctors over here

Maybe that's what's causing the blood clots.
Wrong dosage?
Because here in the UK we haven't had major problems with it.

[Vanessa]

I got my letter sent to my scottish address, my vaccine is the 14th april up in scotland.


I went to a vaccine centre inside the crystal palace ground on Wednesday to see if I could get it.done down here..

The actual head doctor came out and said he would do it there and then..

I politely declined, stating I had 3 other households to visit. Yet i left him assured, that i was assured that i could walk into any vac centre down here and get it done.

I called the nhs Scotland number when I got home that night, and can only say I was met by a yawning helpless mess, that could only say we have no correspondence records with nhs england..
If you got a letter you can book your appointment online.
They have a website.

[Vanessa]

Are you registered with a GP here Parm, they might be able to help? Mr C registered 6 weeks ago and is still waiting for his number to be issued

I didn't want to wait, my GP is way too slow :laugh:
I did it online as soon as I got my letter from the NHS

[bots]

my GP hub is only doing the elderly and vulnerable, they just direct you to your nearest vaccination centre. Anyone should be able to book in at any vaccination centre, provided they are within an eligible group

[Vanessa]

my GP hub is only doing the elderly and vulnerable, they just direct you to your nearest vaccination centre. Anyone should be able to book in at any vaccination centre, provided they are within an eligible group

Yes. It's faster and easier to do it online.

[Cherie]

If you got a letter you can book your appointment online.
They have a website.

That’s only for England though, if he has a Scottish NHS number he can’t do it

[Cherie]

I didn't want to wait, my GP is way too slow :laugh:
I did it online as soon as I got my letter from the NHS

We will book it online, he is not due yet as under 50, the problem is he has never registered with a GP so does not have NHS number which you need to book online, so hence the registration after all these year in the UK :laugh:

[bots]

We will book it online, he is not due yet as under 50, the problem is he has never registered with a GP so does not have NHS number which you need to book online, so hence the registration after all these year in the UK :laugh:

i never remember my nhs number, so its not needed to book, they gave it to me on vaccination day and i promptly forgot it again :laugh:

[Cherie]

Can I just say the Drs receptionist has been quite disbelieving as well, like sorry for being in good health :umm2:

He has literally had two tetanus jabs at A and E and that’s it

[Cherie]

i never remember my nhs number, so its not needed to book, they gave it to me on vaccination day and i promptly forgot it again :laugh:

Obviously if you are in the system already, but he isn’t ...I have checked with 911 and you have to be registered with a GP and have been issued with an NHS number so they can update your record, how else would they keep track of who has had it :shrug: they checked and couldn’t find him on the system so pointed us to the GP

[arista]

i never remember my nhs number, so its not needed to book, they gave it to me on vaccination day and i promptly forgot it again :laugh:


A long number like that
needs to be written down.

[bots]

Can I just say the Drs receptionist has been quite disbelieving as well, like sorry for being in good health :umm2:

He has literally had two tetanus jabs at A and E and that’s it

i had to re-register with my doctor a couple of years ago because i hadn't visited in the previous 10 years. I don't know why good health means that they can boot you off ... that isn't supposed to be what it's about

[Vanessa]

We will book it online, he is not due yet as under 50, the problem is he has never registered with a GP so does not have NHS number which you need to book online, so hence the registration after all these year in the UK :laugh:

Yes, he should register with a local gp
Then he will get an NHS number.

[Vanessa]

A long number like that
needs to be written down.

I lost my NHS number as well. But I have it on the letters the NHS wrote me.

[Cherie]

60% of adults first jabbed

10% fully vaccinated

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyKplIvWUAAHCBs?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/04/thrombosis-experts-furious-about-astrazeneca-vaccine-halt/

thrombosis experts furious about astrazeneca vaccine halt


‘If you ignore the experts, you are verging on arrogance,’ professor Hugo ten Cate told the Volkskrant. ‘I am becoming increasingly angry about how this has happened.’

‘All my colleagues are baffled,’ thrombosis expert Saskia Middeldorp told broadcaster NOS. ‘It is as if the people who decide this don’t realize the implications for our vaccination programme.’

Side effects

The decision to again halt the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine follows a report by side effects monitoring group Lareb on Friday, which said that one Dutch woman has died after being given the jab although no link has yet been shown with her symptoms.

In total, Lareb has had five reports of thrombosis seven to 10 days after the AstraZeneca injection, all involving women aged 25 to 65. Some 400,000 people were given the AstraZeneca vaccine during the period the problems were reported.

Similar reports have been made elsewhere in Europe, and European scientists suggest the vaccine could result in a severe reaction by the immune system.

The European Medicines Agency is due to give its position on Wednesday. ‘And if it gives the green light, how are doctors going to explain that the vaccine is safe after all?’ Kamphuisen said.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands current vaccination numbers

First Dose: 1.688.490

Second Dose: 690.062


so if we can resume after wednesday that would be great and hope EMA doesn't **** up this time around and a better quality review

since we haven't vaccinated all elderly yet either

[user104658]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/04/thrombosis-experts-furious-about-astrazeneca-vaccine-halt/

thrombosis experts furious about astrazeneca vaccine halt


‘If you ignore the experts, you are verging on arrogance,’ professor Hugo ten Cate told the Volkskrant. ‘I am becoming increasingly angry about how this has happened.’

‘All my colleagues are baffled,’ thrombosis expert Saskia Middeldorp told broadcaster NOS. ‘It is as if the people who decide this don’t realize the implications for our vaccination programme.’

Side effects

The decision to again halt the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine follows a report by side effects monitoring group Lareb on Friday, which said that one Dutch woman has died after being given the jab although no link has yet been shown with her symptoms.

In total, Lareb has had five reports of thrombosis seven to 10 days after the AstraZeneca injection, all involving women aged 25 to 65. Some 400,000 people were given the AstraZeneca vaccine during the period the problems were reported.

Similar reports have been made elsewhere in Europe, and European scientists suggest the vaccine could result in a severe reaction by the immune system.

The European Medicines Agency is due to give its position on Wednesday. ‘And if it gives the green light, how are doctors going to explain that the vaccine is safe after all?’ Kamphuisen said.


This is what makes me think there has to be a large political element to all of it. If actual thrombosis experts are saying there’s nothing to indicate the vaccine isn’t safe in terms of blood clots, who IS making that decision? How can they possibly be more qualified than the actual experts in that area? And if they’re not qualified, what is going on?

[Nicky91]

This is what makes me think there has to be a large political element to all of it. If actual thrombosis experts are saying there’s nothing to indicate the vaccine isn’t safe in terms of blood clots, who IS making that decision? How can they possibly be more qualified than the actual experts in that area? And if they’re not qualified, what is going on?

No

this just confirms that it doesn't cause thrombosis, but that the blood clots are from something else, makes me think a bad batch or bad delivery, or what i earlier said and what some doctors here stupidly did administering the wrong dosage, too much than they had to give (and i think the latter)

we also had some worries on how cool the doses had to be kept, also bit confused regarding that, so maybe ours were kept not cold enough or too cold

[bots]

the EU have exclusively targeted AZ for anything they can think of, it's so obviously politically motivated

[user104658]

No

this just confirms that it doesn't cause thrombosis, but that the blood clots are from something else, makes me think a bad batch or bad delivery, or what i earlier said and what some doctors here stupidly did administering the wrong dosage, too much than they had to give (and i think the latter)

we also had some worries on how cool the doses had to be kept, also bit confused regarding that, so maybe ours were kept not cold enough or too cold


The blood clot experts are literally saying that the idea that the vaccines are causing blood clots - for any reason, be that dosage, storage, batch or anything else - is not coming from them... so who is it coming from?

Thrombosis is just the medical term for blood clot.

[Nicky91]

the EU have exclusively targeted AZ for anything they can think of, it's so obviously politically motivated

No

a coincidence, that quite a few countries in the EU reported (some fatal) cases of 'blood clots' i mean like Italy, Germany, Netherlands

and all of those were from AZ vaccine (but there is no evidence for thrombosis but more still very much uncertainties regarding this, EMA is at fault here, should've took more time in their review of this vaccine) they are due to say anything on wednesday now


France's slow vaccine rollout, like Cherie also says is more because they are already vaccine hesitant no matter if there of a problem with vaccine or not

[Cherie]

Clotting is also a rare symptom of covid, 30 strokes recorded in the first wave of covid in the UK so the incidence of getting it where it is actually attributable to covid and the very rare incidence which have not yet been linked to the vaccine I know which one I would rather have

[Zizu]

Clotting is also a rare symptom of covid, 30 strokes recorded in the first wave of covid in the UK so the incidence of getting it where it is actually attributable to covid and the very rare incidence which have not yet been linked to the vaccine I know which one I would rather have



Why aren’t they highlighting those blood clots from the first wave BEFORE any vaccines were even a available ?


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[Cherie]

Why aren’t they highlighting those blood clots from the first wave BEFORE any vaccines were even a available ?


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How do you mean, blood clotting is well known as a symptom of covid? my friend who ended up in hospital got a clot in her lung among other issues

[Zizu]

How do you mean, blood clotting is well known as a symptom of covid? my friend who ended up in hospital got a clot in her lung among other issues



I’ve only really been aware of the clots since the supposed AZ link stories broke ... but if they were happening before the vaccines then I’m not sure why everyone is so nervous.
I haven’t heard anyone say that we shouldn’t worry about AZ as there were blood clots before AZ was being administered





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[Zizu]

Mmmmmm

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[Nicky91]

there are no blood clots from astrazeneca jab though?

don't give in to EU's political agenda, britain

[user104658]

Mmmmmm

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https://www.channel4.com/news/uk-medicines-regulator-considers-issuing-new-advice-over-oxford-astrazeneca-jab

Here’s the link to the actual video, there’s nothing new in it at all and I think this text snippet is quite misleading based on the content of the video?

[Zizu]

https://www.channel4.com/news/uk-medicines-regulator-considers-issuing-new-advice-over-oxford-astrazeneca-jab

Here’s the link to the actual video, there’s nothing new in it at all and I think this text snippet is quite misleading based on the content of the video?



That’s Channel 4 News as well I think ?

:(


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[Nicky91]

15 dutch people travelled to Serbia to get vaccinated

[user104658]

That’s Channel 4 News as well I think ?

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It’s disappointing that they’d be so misleading in the text I think. It doesn’t really reflect what was actually said in the video and I think it’s just going to make even more people nervous about vaccination.

[Nicky91]

EU people could achieve covid-19 vaccine immunity by Mid-July, says vaccine chief Thierry Breton

Breton, the EU commissioner in charge of the vaccine task force, had already suggested at the end of March that herd immunity would be possible in the EU by July 14th, as incoming jabs are expected to speed up the continent’s sluggish vaccine rollout.

On Monday, he confirmed his prediction to Le Parisien: “We now have good visibility of what is happening, from the production of vaccines to the distribution and tests,” he said.

“Fourteen million doses were delivered to the EU in January, 28 million in February and 60 million in March. For the next quarter, we will increase to 100 million in April, May and June. Then 120 million in the summer, and we will reach a rate of 200 million from September,” he said.

In the second half of the year as a whole, the EU will have received over 800 million doses, according to Breton.

The note of optimism came after several European countries have reimposed restrictions in an attempt to halt soaring Covid case numbers, and the World Health Organisation slammed Europe’s vaccine rollout as “unacceptably slow” on Thursday, saying that it was prolonging the pandemic.

“Vaccines present our best way out of the pandemic…However, the rollout of these vaccines is unacceptably slow,” WHO director for Europe Hans Kluge said in a statement.

So far, only about 10 percent of the region’s total population have received one vaccine dose, and four percent have completed a full vaccine series, the organisation said.

The WHO’s European region comprises 53 countries and territories and includes Russia and several Central Asian nations.

But when it comes to the EU’s slow vaccine rollout, Breton blamed the AstraZeneca laboratory.

“If we had received 100 percent of the AstraZeneca vaccines we were contractually owed, today the EU would be at the same level as the UK in terms of vaccination,” he said. “I can confirm that this hole is due entirely to AstraZeneca’s delivery failures.”

On Monday, Johnson & Johnson said it would start delivering its single-shot Covid vaccine to Europe on April 19th, giving the continent a boost in its vaccination drive.

The EU has signed a firm order for 200 million J&J doses and an option for 200 million more.

https://www.thelocal.de/20210405/eu-could-achieve-covid-19-immunity-by-mid-july-says-vaccine-chief/

[Cherie]

I’ve only really been aware of the clots since the supposed AZ link stories broke ... but if they were happening before the vaccines then I’m not sure why everyone is so nervous.
I haven’t heard anyone say that we shouldn’t worry about AZ as there were blood clots before AZ was being administered





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This is an article from November 2020

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-11-covid-blood-clots.html

[Zizu]

This is an article from November 2020



https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-11-covid-blood-clots.html



I’m not doubting you .. I’m just surprised that Boris or Matt or ChrisW haven’t highlighted the point on telly


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[Vicky.]

there are no blood clots from astrazeneca jab though?

don't give in to EU's political agenda, britain

Its that age old distinction isnt it. There will be blood clots in some people who have had the vaccine, I would be surprised if there weren't, given the sheer numbers of people who have had the vaccine (yes, you could say theres been 100 people had a heart attack after getting the vaccine..ignoring that the people getting the vaccine at that stage were...the over 80s, who are at rather high risk of such things anyway...that does not in any way say the vaccine causes heart attacks though). The question is, were they CAUSED by the vaccine. The experts say no. So..who is saying yes? And pushing that yes into media outlets to spread the yes further, against the opinion of those vastly more qualified to make such assessments?!

[bots]

I’m not doubting you .. I’m just surprised that Boris or Matt or ChrisW haven’t highlighted the point on telly


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to do so just confuses people further. The uptake of the vaccine has been great so far, so if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Zizu]

to do so just confuses people further. The uptake of the vaccine has been great so far, so if it ain't broke, don't fix it.



No .. but when the questions are asked in the daily briefing someone should mention that fact


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[Nicky91]

read my article i posted today, they are aware they have a slow vaccine rollout, and they would've loved to be up there with same amount of vaccinations as the UK, but facts are facts, there have just been some problems, and its just coincidence it is the AZ vaccine, there just weren't as many reports from the Pfizer vaccine, not as many or at least not the blood clots


regular side effects from vaccine are nausea, fever, sore arm (but these 'blood clots' are not normal so they caught our attention over here quicker)



Bots, i get it, you guys are biased since in UK, the AZ vaccine no problems at all or at least not that many (don't lie pls, there also have been some complaints in the UK)

[Vicky.]

read my article i posted today, they are aware they have a slow vaccine rollout, and they would've loved to be up there with same amount of vaccinations as the UK, but facts are facts, there have just been some problems, and its just coincidence it is the AZ vaccine, there just weren't as many reports from the Pfizer vaccine, not as many or at least not the blood clots


regular side effects from vaccine are nausea, fever, sore arm (but these 'blood clots' are not normal so they caught our attention over here quicker)



Bots, i get it, you guys are biased since in UK, the AZ vaccine no problems at all or at least not that many (don't lie pls, there also have been some complaints in the UK)

I am confused, I thought the EU decided that the AZ is not causing blood clots?!(maybe after consulting the actual experts...hmm) Sure thats the last I read. If/when they do admit this, then surely the 'bias' you claim the UK has..kind of..dissipates?!

Also, there is not a vaccine available in the bloody world that has not had at least some complaints. Such a thing would be a impossible thing to do, given the nature of medical stuff :laugh:

[Cherie]

The UK are considering restricting AZ rollout in under 30s

Sky News

Meanwhile Australia are continuing to use the vaccine for all ages

Australia's medical regulator has recommended no changes to the vaccine rollout despite blood clotting in a recipient of the AstraZeneca jab.

Several urgent meetings have been held today after the 44-year-old was admitted to Melbourne's Box Hill Hospital with abdominal pain.

Acting Chief Medical Officer Professor Michael Kidd said "at this time the risk of serious disease and death from COVID-19 if we experience a severe outbreak especially among older Australians ... is far greater than the very small potential risk of a very rare clotting disorder".

People who experience unusual headaches 4-20 days after vaccination are being told to seek medical advice as soon as possible.

The TGA is working with European regulators as investigations continue and further advice is expected in coming days.

[Zizu]

The UK are considering restricting AZ rollout in under 30s



Sky News



.



Any reason ...


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[Alf]

Remember when they said vaccines would take years to produce and then President Trump and Warpspeed produced one inside a year. Where did all the other variants of vaccines suddenly come from?

[Zizu]

Remember when they said vaccines would take years to produce and then President Trump and Warpspeed produced one inside a year. Where did all the other variants of vaccines suddenly come from?



Wonder why the American vaccine ( Moderna ?) is apparently only one jab when all the others are two ??


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[Vicky.]

Any reason ...


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Because its a bit pointless in that age group..and focus should be on people higher risk getting their seconds and stuff done before even considering a group thats almost at no risk of hospitalisation speaking broadly. I expect? I might be WAY off there mind. But it seems a little silly to be taking the time, or the cost on a group thats so low risk to begin with.

Wonder why the American vaccine ( Moderna ?) is apparently only one jab when all the others are two ??

Is that the johnsons one? Thats apparently one dose too, if not.

Remember when they said vaccines would take years to produce

From scratch, I think that is. From what I know, the covid ones are basically..tweaked SARS vaccines? It would be a lot slower to make a vaccine for a totally brand new illness that appeared. For all it was touted as a totally out of the blue newly appeared thing, coronaviruses are nothing new to us. This 'version' was, but not the illness overall.

[bots]

Wonder why the American vaccine ( Moderna ?) is apparently only one jab when all the others are two ??


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it's the johnson and Johnson vaccine that only requires 1 jab. It's a different technology. They are making 60 million dozes of it here in the UK for our use. That covers the entire UK population :laugh:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyPvpbDW8AsV8kg?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Cherie]

Moderna supplies have arrived

[Cherie]

it's the johnson and Johnson vaccine that only requires 1 jab. It's a different technology. They are making 60 million dozes of it here in the UK for our use. That covers the entire UK population :laugh:

Jannsen as well is a one jab I think, my boss is in that trial

[bots]

Jannsen as well is a one jab I think, my boss is in that trial

it's the same company :laugh:

[Nicky91]

yes Janssen and J&J is the same

[Cherie]

it's the same company :laugh:

yes Janssen and J&J is the same

Aw right, has no idea :laugh:

[Vanessa]

Moderna supplies have arrived

Yes!. Now we can keep vaccinatting :dance:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/07/00/41424500-0-image-a-17_1617751699590.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9443007/Vaccine-rollout-50s-paused-regulator-rules-safety.html

[arista]

First dose of Moderna vaccine
given in UK as 24-year-old carer Elle Taylor gets jab
in Wales.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-first-dose-of-moderna-vaccine-given-in-uk-as-24-year-old-carer-elle-taylor-gets-jab-12268074


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[Cherie]

Press conference at 3pm regarding AZ Vaccine

EMA also holding press conference at the same time

[user104658]

"Pause jabs until safety is certain" :facepalm:

See now THIS is exactly what I have been talking about, for years, when it comes to the Big Vaccine Debate. It has been pushed for years that there are "zero" risks to vaccination, to encourage better uptake, but it is a lie. It has always been a lie. There is NO SUCH THING as a 100% safe vaccine, or 100% safe with ANY medication. Every single vaccine you have ever had or put into your child came with a risk - and people would know that if they read the information sheet they get with the jab.

Miniscule risks, yes. Risks worth taking absolutely. Everyone should vaccinate.

But the propaganda worked a bit too well and people believed that their MMR, whooping cough, TB etc. vaccinations were indeed 100% safe and so now that they're faced with the idea of there being a an infantesimally small risk with this vaccine, they think this is abnormal and something to be concerned about. It isn't. Vaccines are 99.999% safe. They are not 100% safe... they never have been.

[arista]

Press conference at 3pm regarding AZ Vaccine

EMA also holding press conference at the same time



Yes EU Meds Agency
half backing AZ


Hardly anything new
Effecting Women more




Poxy French Leader Macron
has done massive damage to AZ.



UK Regulator JVT soon

[arista]

J.Van Tam
is now Live in the UK now



Course Correction.

[Cherie]

4 cases in one million and no proven link yet

Benefits outweigh the risk

As a precaution under 30s will be offered an different vaccine as the risk of death from covid is slim, think this is more to encourage uptake

Zizu they are talking about clots in covid

[user104658]

My wife had her 2nd Pfizer yesterday, no side effects other than sore arm thus far (24+ hrs)

[Cherie]

My wife had her 2nd Pfizer yesterday, no side effects other than sore arm thus far (24+ hrs)

oh yes @Zizu, my aunt has her 2nd jab last Wed, very minor side effects i.e sore arm

[Vicky.]

"Pause jabs until safety is certain" :facepalm:

See now THIS is exactly what I have been talking about, for years, when it comes to the Big Vaccine Debate. It has been pushed for years that there are "zero" risks to vaccination, to encourage better uptake, but it is a lie. It has always been a lie. There is NO SUCH THING as a 100% safe vaccine, or 100% safe with ANY medication. Every single vaccine you have ever had or put into your child came with a risk - and people would know that if they read the information sheet they get with the jab.

Miniscule risks, yes. Risks worth taking absolutely. Everyone should vaccinate.

But the propaganda worked a bit too well and people believed that their MMR, whooping cough, TB etc. vaccinations were indeed 100% safe and so now that they're faced with the idea of there being a an infantesimally small risk with this vaccine, they think this is abnormal and something to be concerned about. It isn't. Vaccines are 99.999% safe. They are not 100% safe... they never have been.
Yup.

Ridiculous really.

[Cherie]

Who is pausing jabs? missed that one

[arista]

Who is pausing jabs? missed that one

I think TS is talking about the Euro News Conference, before


Pause under 30's in the EU

[arista]

They could Mix and Match
the 2nd Vaccine
some experts say.

[Cherie]

I think TS is talking about the Euro News Conference, before


Pause under 30's in the EU

oh right, why do that when they have other vaccines to fall back on

[arista]

UK also to pause on under 30's for AZ


Moderna for them
should be in full stock by then

[arista]

Bavaria, Germany
is now buying Russia Sputnick V vaccine


Just on CNN HD

[Zizu]

"Pause jabs until safety is certain" :facepalm:

See now THIS is exactly what I have been talking about, for years, when it comes to the Big Vaccine Debate. It has been pushed for years that there are "zero" risks to vaccination, to encourage better uptake, but it is a lie. It has always been a lie. There is NO SUCH THING as a 100% safe vaccine, or 100% safe with ANY medication. Every single vaccine you have ever had or put into your child came with a risk - and people would know that if they read the information sheet they get with the jab.

Miniscule risks, yes. Risks worth taking absolutely. Everyone should vaccinate.

But the propaganda worked a bit too well and people believed that their MMR, whooping cough, TB etc. vaccinations were indeed 100% safe and so now that they're faced with the idea of there being a an infantesimally small risk with this vaccine, they think this is abnormal and something to be concerned about. It isn't. Vaccines are 99.999% safe. They are not 100% safe... they never have been.



Oddly enough this morning on LBC they were discussing the blood clot aspect with AZ and the presenter suggested taking aspirin with the jab ( blood thinner) and the doctor being interviewed said that there were more risks with the aspirin than the AZ vaccine ...


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[Zizu]

4 cases in one million and no proven link yet



Benefits outweigh the risk



As a precaution under 30s will be offered an different vaccine as the risk of death from covid is slim, think this is more to encourage uptake



Zizu they are talking about clots in covid



Thanks .. I missed the program sadly


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[Zizu]

oh yes @Zizu, my aunt has her 2nd jab last Wed, very minor side effects i.e sore arm



Well that’s promising !!




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[Zizu]

They could Mix and Match
the 2nd Vaccine
some experts say.



Ooooh I don’t like the sound of that at all !!!!!


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[user104658]

Oddly enough this morning on LBC they were discussing the blood clot aspect with AZ and the presenter suggested taking aspirin with the jab ( blood thinner) and the doctor being interviewed said that there were more risks with the aspirin than the AZ vaccine ...


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Well, exactly... all sorts of potential side effects from everyday over the counter meds like paracetamol, aspirin, ibuprofen...

[Zizu]

Are there any figures showing how many Covid deaths ( UK or Worldwide ) are people who REFUSED the vaccine when offered ??


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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/07/21/41468494-0-image-a-22_1617828940521.jpg


[We WILL hit July 31 jabs target: Covid vaccine rollout
is still on track even if under-30s are given
alternative to Oxford inoculation,
ministers pledge... as experts admit
blood clot risk is tiny
Government ministers remain confident
of hitting July 31 vaccination target date
There is enough supply of Pfizer
and Moderna jabs to inoculate all under-30s
Experts have advised against young
people taking Oxford/AstraZeneca shot due to
possibility of rare blood clots
Boris Johnson vowed there would be
no delay to the lockdown-easing plans]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9447001/Covid-vaccine-rollout-target-ministers-pledge.html

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[arista]

[Germany will side-step EU and negotiate directly
for Russia’s Sputnik V jab to salvage its faltering
vaccination program
Jens Spahn thought to have told EU ministers
he will begin jab talks with Russia
Comes after EU Commission said
it would not enter preliminary negotiations
Talks will establish how many jabs
Russia can supply and when, sources said
But Germany would not actually buy shots
until EU grants regulatory approval]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9448743/Germany-start-preliminary-talks-Russia-buy-Sputnik-V-vaccines.html

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[Cherie]

1 in 2,000 chance of getting a blood clot if you are on the contraceptive pill
1, in 1,000 of developing a clot from flying
1 in 229,000 of getting a blood clot from AZ, though no proven link as yet

[bots]

any medication has side effects, and they all have rare serious side effects. If I were young, i would probably wait and see how it all pans out before getting a jab, but for old farts like me, it would be daft not to get it

[arista]

African Union has now dropped Plans to buy
Vaccines from Serum Institute Of India
Will now buy from USA Johnson & Johnson.

Makes sense as such a long Delay
on India's AZ orders
which they now need for India.

[Vanessa]

I'm still having my second vaccine.
All medication have a risk.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: 8 more reports of thrombosis after AZ vaccine, also with new reports it is about women between age of 23 and 65

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

People vaccinated up to and including 9 April 2021

First dose: 32,010,244

Second dose: 6,991,310

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Smithy]

I haven’t seen any articles anywhere, but does anyone know if you get a different vaccine if you’re under 30 and your first dose was AZ?

[user104658]

I haven’t seen any articles anywhere, but does anyone know if you get a different vaccine if you’re under 30 and your first dose was AZ?


If your first dose was AZ the second dose has to be AZ, Pfizer and Moderna are a completely different type of vaccine.

[Cherie]

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I haven’t seen any articles anywhere, but does anyone know if you get a different vaccine if you’re under 30 and your first dose was AZ?

It’s in the headline

[Cherie]

Reuters) -Europe’s drug regulator said on Friday it is reviewing rare blood clots in four people in the United States who received Johnson & Johnson’s COVID-19 vaccine.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe-vaccines/jj-covid-19-vaccine-under-eu-review-over-blood-clots-idUSKBN2BW2FI

[Zizu]

Reuters) -Europe’s drug regulator said on Friday it is reviewing rare blood clots in four people in the United States who received Johnson & Johnson’s COVID-19 vaccine.



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe-vaccines/jj-covid-19-vaccine-under-eu-review-over-blood-clots-idUSKBN2BW2FI



4 in a relatively short space of time ?


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[Cherie]

4 in a relatively short space of time ?


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They have been vaccinating in US with it since 1st March so many millions of jabs given I expect

[Cherie]

France will lengthen the period between the first and second shots of Covid-19 vaccines to six weeks from four weeks as of 14 April to accelerate the inoculation campaign, the country's health minister has said.

Although France's top health authority advised a six-week period between the two shots in January in order to stretch supplies, the government at the time said there was insufficient data on how well the vaccines performed with a longer interval.

France could safely do so now because it was vaccinating a younger age group, Olivier Veran said.

"(It) will allow us to vaccinate more quickly without reducing protection," the minister said in a newspaper interview.

France has approved use of the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna mRNA vaccines.

Mr Veran also said that from tomorrow the AstraZeneca vaccine would be made available to all over-55s and not just those with serious pre-existing conditions

Rte.ie

[Zizu]

They have been vaccinating in US with it since 1st March so many millions of jabs given I expect



Still only 4 or 5 weeks though


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[Smithy]

If your first dose was AZ the second dose has to be AZ, Pfizer and Moderna are a completely different type of vaccine.

I know but at the start of the vaccination process there was talk of them mixing and matching vaccines anyway

[bots]

I see the vaccine as a course of treatment ... 2 shots, and that should be the same vaccine, but i don't think its the end of the world if they are mixed either, just perhaps not ideal

i think they will mix and match them come the autumn if they go the booster route, because that will depend on which vaccines have been modified for new strains.

[Vanessa]

Mmm, I don't think they should mix the vaccines.
It could be dangerous.

[Zizu]

Mmm, I don't think they should mix the vaccines.

It could be dangerous.



Agreed the idea just sounds horrendous given the vaccines are all so new and untested


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[user104658]

I see the vaccine as a course of treatment ... 2 shots, and that should be the same vaccine, but i don't think its the end of the world if they are mixed either, just perhaps not ideal

i think they will mix and match them come the autumn if they go the booster route, because that will depend on which vaccines have been modified for new strains.


A booster would be it’s own standalone “mini-vaccination” rather than a continuation of the same course of vaccination though, so not really the same thing.

[bots]

Sure thats why i said 2 shot course ... just i don't think one vaccine competes against another, they won't cancel each other out so the person will just get broader spectrum protection. Exactly the same as would happen with a booster

[arista]

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China to Mix and Match Vaccines

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20210411/15-percent-of-germans-immunized-as-vaccine-rollout-slowly-gathers-pace/

Germany: 15% of germans immunized as vaccine rollout slowly gathers pace


some good news in terms of vaccinating over there now

[Zizu]

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07.48am 13/4/22


40 cases of the SA variant found in London !!

LBC Radio



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[user104658]

07.48am 13/4/22


40 cases of the SA variant found in London !!

LBC Radio



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The very thing you’ve posted states that the variant doesn’t spread as easily as other, and that there were no recorded cases 2 weeks after 2nd vaccine dose. Also none of it even suggests the vaccines aren’t effective against the strain (that the strain is immune to the vaccine) just that it may be slightly less effective against that strain than others.

[AnnieK]

Vaccinations open to over 45s today.....on course for getting all adults done well before the end of summer.

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/04/ministers-consider-coronavirus-vaccine-rethink-after-astrazeneca-chaos/

Netherlands: MP's consider coronavirus vaccine strategy changes after the chaos caused by the flop AstraZeneca, we are going throw astrazeneca jabs in the garbage bin and going to buy other vaccines like Sputnik

[bots]

the vaccination programme has been an absolute triumph ... provided we don't all have a brain hemorrhage in a years time :shocked:

[bots]

of course it is a triumph since it is the british elite

UK was never in any danger in this covid pandemic, literally not that many deaths either

Nicky, you are again writing without thinking. The uk has suffered terribly from covid deaths, and the vaccine is free to everyone, nothing elitist about it at all. It is now being given away at cost throughout the world, after the UK paid for the majority of the research. Please get your facts right

[bots]

suffered terribly? what on earth


Italy has suffered, Spain has suffered those are the ones in europe/eu whose have had disaster amid covid pandemic


UK hasn't suffered that much thanks to amazing leadership of Boris, and wonderful team of great experts

nonsense Nicky, absolute nonsense

[AnnieK]

nonsense Nicky, absolute nonsense

Close to 150,000 deaths is not suffering that much.
:facepalm:

The Dutch are throwing their vaccines in the bin? How selfish....when there are countries crying out for vaccines??

Dear god.....it really is beyond belief

[Vicky.]

we are going throw astrazeneca jabs in the garbage bin

What a bloody waste. Many many people in other countries would be grateful for those..especially poorer countries.

Also of course the UK has suffered. We are largely 'on track' now due to the mass vaccinations, but to deny we suffered throughout this is just silly.

[arista]

Yes now The Covid Vaccination site has Crashed
to book an appointment.

[Vanessa]

Yes now The Covid Vaccination site has Crashed
to book an appointment.

They can also book by phone.

[Cherie]

Over 45s can book :amazed:

I'm going Frid pm :worry:

[bots]

Over 45s can book :amazed:

I'm going Frid pm :worry:

great!

[Cherie]

great!

Mr C will be holding my hand :laugh:

[user104658]

the vaccination programme has been an absolute triumph ... provided we don't all have a brain hemorrhage in a years time :shocked:

Realistically, anything past a week or two is probably not a vaccine side effect. Unless it's caused when they activate the nanites...

[user104658]

Mr C will be holding my hand :laugh:

Metaphorically of course, you'll still have to queue with a 2m social distance :laugh:.

[arista]

Johnson & Johnson One shot Vaccine

In USA now on Pause
Clotts,


UK has 30 Million on Order

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-us-recommends-pause-to-johnson-johnson-jab-rollout-over-blood-clot-fears-12274320



All media



I think Niki's nation also has a Mega Order?

[Cherie]

Metaphorically of course, you'll still have to queue with a 2m social distance :laugh:.

As a couple from the same household? what if he was my carer :worry:

Anyhow we are booked at the same time so we will be in different cubicles I expect :laugh:

[bots]

As a couple from the same household? what if he was my carer :worry:

Anyhow we are booked at the same time so we will be in different cubicles I expect :laugh:

i didn't get anything as luxurious as a cubicle, it was basically a chair in the middle of a large indoor football court. Luxury :laugh:

[Cherie]

i didn't get anything as luxurious as a cubicle, it was basically a chair in the middle of a large indoor football court

oh where my son went they had their own little cubicle, we are going to the same place :smug:

[user104658]

i didn't get anything as luxurious as a cubicle, it was basically a chair in the middle of a large indoor football court. Luxury :laugh:

I got somewhere between the two - there were little stations around the side of the room, they were divided with screens (semi-transparent frosted) but mostly open-plan. It was so quick that even that was barely necessary, I'm surprised they don't just say "Right then, roll up your sleeve!" at the check-in counter :joker:.

[Nicky91]

they aren't in the garbage bin ok, but they won't be used anyway but kept in freezer for idk how long

[hijaxers]

they aren't in the garbage bin ok, but they won't be used anyway but kept in freezer for idk how long

Lets hope we are not delivering anymore to your country , wasting or not using vaccine is dispicable.

[Nicky91]

Lets hope we are not delivering anymore to your country , wasting or not using vaccine is dispicable.

good, we don't need your toxic astrazeneca rubbish


i am proud we got a slow vaccine rollout :flutter:

[arista]

Dr. Fuaci
Is Live on CNN HD

Talking about Clots
on Johnson & Johnson Vaccine
which is on a pause. (USA & Europe)


Telling all that have had it
they are safe
as any clot would happen within
few days 6 to 13 days.

[Nicky91]

now i myself don't want the vaccine either whenever my age group is eligible, cuz of the blood clot risk, now not just with AZ but also J & J



also Netherlands: well what can i say, i disagree with the deluded condescending doctors over here how they said ''we high educated people know it better than others regarding the vaccines'' ugh i dislike that attitude, i mean they really think we are idiots or something


i rather take my chances with covid since i am young and not in risk group, so likelier if i get it i have a good survival chance



also i am sorry for my own negative behaviour here, yes ok UK had it awful but good for quick vaccine rollout without many side effects/bad blood clot cases i guess britain has been lucky so far

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ey5BTZkXAA4rOW4?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/147E8/production/_118044938_i-nc.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/13EEC/production/_118044618_ft-nc.png

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: Lagging Dutch Covid vaccine figures suddenly revised up by 19%

In a significant revision to Covid-19 vaccination figures, Dutch public health agency RIVM said that the country managed to administer 19 percent more vaccine doses over the past three months than previously estimated. It effectively added hundreds of thousands of jabs to the Dutch vaccination total. The new RIVM model also estimated that another 116,552 jabs were administered on Monday, pushing the total to over 3.9 million.

The revision was issued less than an hour after a press conference with Prime Minister Mark Rutte and Health Minister Hugo de Jonge wrapped up. During that event, De Jonge touted the 3.9 million figure, even as data submitted by the Health Ministry to the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) was lower by about 700 thousand.

The RIVM claimed that the data discrepancy was due to a larger number of vaccinations given by general practitioners and at hospitals or care facilities. The RIVM also changed its model to retroactively account for a one percent rate of spillage, instead of assuming five percent of vaccine doses are wasted as it had expected.

The revised estimate said that the country administered 3,783,912 through Sunday. Nearly three million of these were a person's first injection, and over 800 thousand were a second dose.

If accurate, that would mean that 20.5 percent of the adult population has been at least partially vaccinated, and about six percent were fully inoculated against Covid-19. The first figure was far higher than the data most recently submitted to the ECDC, and the fully-vaccinated total was slightly lower.

It would put the Netherlands near the top of European standings for uptake of the first dose, and near the bottom for those fully vaccinated.

The correction effectively added 601 thousand to last week's vaccination tally, which rose to 919,926 as a result. It was not clear how much of this occurred last week, or at an earlier date. That total far surpassed an initial projection of 630 thousand, and an updated figure of about 430 thousand. During the press conference, De Jonge said the real figure was close to 630 thousand.

Earlier on Tuesday, a RIVM spokesperson told NL Times that the agency was struggling to keep up with the amount of vaccination data it was receiving. She also confirmed the RIVM was changing its model to estimate the number of vaccine doses given.

It was the second major alteration to the official figures since the Dutch vaccination campaign began on January 6. The RIVM has not provided complete raw data on the vaccine program since its start.

https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/13/lagging-dutch-covid-vaccine-figures-suddenly-revised-19

[arista]

People vaccinated up to and including 13 April 2021

First dose: 32,326,604

Second dose: 8,170,081


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Beso]

I ain't had my vaccine yet...My appontment was in scotland on monday.

[arista]

I ain't had my vaccine yet...My appontment was in scotland on monday.


If you are in England you can Phone up for an Appointment.

[Beso]

If you are in England you can Phone up for an Appointment.

I can walk in anytime I want..I could have gotten it done at the crystal palace football stadium 2 weeks ago but I still had 3 jobs to do so left it safe in the knowledge that I can just walk up to a centre and they will do it there and then.

[arista]

I can walk in anytime I want..I could have gotten it done at the crystal palace football stadium 2 weeks ago but I still had 3 jobs to do so left it safe in the knowledge that I can just walk up to a centre and they will do it there and then.


Thats Great.

[Cherie]

The EU are considering not using AZ or Janssen vaccines due to clotting issues

Heard this on LBC but can't find a link

[Vanessa]

The EU are considering not using AZ or Janssen vaccines due to clotting issues

Heard this on LBC but can't find a link

Oh well, more for us :laugh:

[Vicky.]

The EU are considering not using AZ or Janssen vaccines due to clotting issues

Heard this on LBC but can't find a link
Thought the EU had decided the clotting thing wasnt linked..
after much publicizing of the clotting issue. I expect now, too many are scared of it after all the bloody publicity.

Coming soon 'flu vaccine causes dementia, as 100 people diagnosed within a year of recieving jab!'

[arista]

France is Going ahead with One Shot USA Vaccine
Johnson & Johnson


CNN HD
Live in Paris
for their Business Report hour.

[Cherie]

The risk of developing a rare brain clot from Covid-19 is about eight times greater than vaccination with the AstraZeneca-Oxford jab, according to a new study.
Researchers at the University of Oxford, who are not linked to the vaccine, also found that people infected with coronavirus are “manyfold times” more likely than normal to develop the rare clotting disorder, known as cerebral venous thrombosis (CVT), where blood clots in the veins that run from the brain.
“There’s no doubt that Covid is a much greater risk of this [condition] than any of the vaccines,” said Professor Paul Harrison, a co-author of the study.
The research, which has yet to be peer-reviewed, drew comparisons between more than 500,000 Covid-19 patients in the US and 34 million people in Europe who have received the AstraZeneca vaccine, as well as the background level of CVT in the general population.

The independant

[Cherie]

Thought the EU had decided the clotting thing wasnt linked..
after much publicizing of the clotting issue. I expect now, too many are scared of it after all the bloody publicity.

Coming soon 'flu vaccine causes dementia, as 100 people diagnosed within a year of recieving jab!'

That was the EMA who are the drug regulatory body who are being ignored

[Nicky91]

UK's vaccinated people aren't protected against the newer brazilian strain i think

[Vicky.]

The risk of developing a rare brain clot from Covid-19 is about eight times greater than vaccination with the AstraZeneca-Oxford jab, according to a new study.

Well yeah quite. Seems utterly ridiculous t be continuing with the scaremongering really. So, the EMA have said no link, various studies have show no link, the worlds experts on the condition have also said there is no link...Ontop of this, covid can cause the condition, and is more likely to do so

I expect flying is WAY up there with clotting too. But those who wont have the vaccine 'because clots' will no doubt still be fine flying, or taking the pill/.other meds..and such. Just really ****ing weird, and irresponsible at this stage too

Yet..press and the EU seem determined to make out there is this huge danger with certain vaccines for some reason . Hmm.
UK's vaccinated people aren't protected against the newer brazilian strain i think

Am sure that ones already done the rounds in our press...and there were the expected 'this mutation makes vaccination pointless!!!!" type headlines, that when you read on tend to say there are investigations just to check the vaccine works on it or something.

Almost like some want there to be a strain that can avoid the vaccine really. When we are a bit ****ed if some strains are not affected by the vaccine, as the vaccine WAS our only way out of this. And eternal lockdwon is obviously not possible either.

[bots]

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said she was "glad" she had the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine, amid concerns about rare cases of blood clots.

"There have been concerns raised and I said that I'm confident it's safe, but now I'm not just saying that, I've also had the AstraZeneca vaccine," she said.

Ms Sturgeon praised the "well-oiled machine" at the SSE Hydro in Glasgow and urged others to get vaccinated when they are invited.

"I guess like many people I felt quite emotional because it's so important this vaccination programme in helping us all get back to normal," she said.

[Nicky91]

Well yeah quite. Seems utterly ridiculous t be continuing with the scaremongering really. So, the EMA have said no link, various studies have show no link, the worlds experts on the condition have also said there is no link...Ontop of this, covid can cause the condition, and is more likely to do so

I expect flying is WAY up there with clotting too. But those who wont have the vaccine 'because clots' will no doubt still be fine flying, or taking the pill/.other meds..and such. Just really ****ing weird, and irresponsible at this stage too

Yet..press and the EU seem determined to make out there is this huge danger with certain vaccines for some reason . Hmm.


Am sure that ones already done the rounds in our press...and there were the expected 'this mutation makes vaccination pointless!!!!" type headlines, that when you read on tend to say there are investigations just to check the vaccine works on it or something.

Almost like some want there to be a strain that can avoid the vaccine really. When we are a bit ****ed if some strains are not affected by the vaccine, as the vaccine WAS our only way out of this. And eternal lockdwon is obviously not possible either.

''only way'' well only if you want to go back to old normal, but do we want to go back to old normal, our old ways and repeating everything all over again for another pandemic to happen

or should we go towards new normal, when you have two choices, either freedom via vaccinating or freedom via negative testing, since the test events work (yes some of those fearmongering ones can say testing isn't accurate or some rubbish like that) but negative test is good, and when you only have people with negative tests in a group event, it can be considered ''safe'' but more social distancing just out of precaution what test volunteers overall also do, or downloading the corona warn app just for extra safety (not necessary but something extra is always good)


i won't vaccinate, but i'm not going on holidays in other countries just in own country and with already extra good hygiene ourselves :laugh: even before this whole coronacrisis, as for socializing i have never been great at that so lucky me i guess

[LaLaLand]

My Dad’s had his second jab this morning, two weeks earlier than scheduled so they’re speeding ahead here it seems. (Wales)

[Nicky91]

Netherlands total of doses administered (combined of first and second dose)

4.4 million

[Nicky91]

good we are slowly getting there, the more doses we give, that should make ICU numbers go down faster too hopefully soon

[Zizu]

My Dad’s had his second jab this morning, two weeks earlier than scheduled so they’re speeding ahead here it seems. (Wales)



Interesting


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[Nicky91]

Netherlands total of vaccinated as of today (includes both first and second dose) 4.5 million

[arista]

Vaccine Wars
Jonathan Pie: Gives his Anger (Rated 18)


Vicky
Ideal for you madame


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bJEdcmpx98

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: as of 19 April 2021

per 100 adults there have been 34 jabs administered, with these statistics Netherlands is middle of the board in Europe as for vaccine rollout

[Nicky91]

Germany doing well as for vaccine rollout now

21.9 million people total vaccinated now

16.4 million first dose total

5.5 million second dose total

as of yesterday (what i saw last night on RTLde text page)

[Vanessa]

Im hoping that Europe will have vaccinated enough people soon.
That should help to bring their numbers down.

[arista]

People vaccinated up to and including 19 April 2021

First dose: 33,032,120

Second dose: 10,425,790

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Smithy]

Got my second one on saturday, I’m a bit worried bc everyone says it hits you harder than the first one :worry:

[bots]

Got my second one on saturday, I’m a bit worried bc everyone says it hits you harder than the first one :worry:

my brother had his 2nd last week and said there were no side effects at all

[Ammi]

Got my second one on saturday, I’m a bit worried bc everyone says it hits you harder than the first one :worry:

...awwww, so pleased for you, Smithy...it’s Tuesday now and you’re feeling fine...?..so try not to think about it ...I know a few people who have had a second and no effects at all other than their immunity complete...:laugh:...I’m so glad that you’ve had it, though and another one that Boris can cross of the list...excellent, skinny legend and Vaccine legend...:love:..

[Smithy]

my brother had his 2nd last week and said there were no side effects at all
How old is he?

It seems to affect younger people more
...awwww, so pleased for you, Smithy...it’s Tuesday now and you’re feeling fine...?..so try not to think about it ...I know a few people who have had a second and no effects at all other than their immunity complete...:laugh:...I’m so glad that you’ve had it, though and another one that Boris can cross of the list...excellent, skinny legend and Vaccine legend...:love:..

Girl I’ve been so ill the last few weeks :skull: I haven’t eaten since Saturday

[AnnieK]

I have my first a week tomorrow. :amazed:

[bots]

How old is he?

It seems to affect younger people more




he is older than me, so ... not young :laugh: I felt the first jab, not as bad as some but i certainly felt pretty crap for a day

[bots]

I have my first a week tomorrow. :amazed:

whoo .. good stuff, make sure you get your sticker :hee:

[user104658]

Got my second one on saturday, I’m a bit worried bc everyone says it hits you harder than the first one :worry:


What brand? My wife (33) has had both Pfizer doses and the second one had no side effects at all really: Sore arm and a little tired that evening. Fewer side effects than the first dose (although she didn’t have many for that either, just general tiredness for a couple of days).

Whereas AZ dose 1 kicked my arse for about 3 days.

[Smithy]

he is older than me, so ... not young :laugh: I felt the first jab, not as bad as some but i certainly felt pretty crap for a day
Oh that’s probably why then :fist:
What brand? My wife (33) has had both Pfizer doses and the second one had no side effects at all really: Sore arm and a little tired that evening. Fewer side effects than the first dose (although she didn’t have many for that either, just general tiredness for a couple of days).

Whereas AZ dose 1 kicked my arse for about 3 days.

AZ :worry:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ezc25ETVoAMaK04?format=jpg&name=small

[user104658]

Oh that’s probably why then :fist:


AZ :worry:


I’ve heard AZ 2nd dose tends to be easier than the first, most people saying the 2nd one hits hard are Pfizer: Though it’s basically just different for everyone I think.

[Nicky91]

i'm still confident i am not letting myself be vaccinated

i don't want that junk inside of me every single year

[Ammi]

I have my first a week tomorrow. :amazed:

...:love:..

[Ammi]

How old is he?

It seems to affect younger people more


Girl I’ve been so ill the last few weeks :skull: I haven’t eaten since Saturday

...have you spoken to your GP, Smithy...?..if you’ve felt ill for several weeks now and you haven’t eaten for 3 days, you must speak to your surgery, yeah...?...:hug:...did you say all of this when you had the second vaccination..?...

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/04/dutch-start-using-the-janssen-vaccine-after-ema-declares-it-safe/

Netherlands begins with using Janssen (Johnson & Johnson) vaccine, after EMA had declared it safe

[Vicky.]

Obviously anecdotally, but it seems among those I know, the AZ vaccine hits HARD if you have had covid previously. This is first and second dose. Among those who 'have not had' (ie, generally not had a positive test, though they could have had it with no symptoms or whatever) covid, first dose is easy, second harsh. Speaking generally just from what I have heard.

My dad, gavins mam and gavin all had covid and got a day or two of feeling ****ty off the first jab. Gavs brother, and his wife had not had covid, and felt nowt off first jab. However, his brother has had second one now and got period of illness similar to other people got off first. This seems to be following with friends too, though it does seem one person I know, who had confirmed covid last year, has not had any side effects at all off either jab...but that seems to be the exception rather than the rule!

Not sure on pfizer though as it seems near everyone here is getting AZ.

This means nowt really. But am finding it all a bit interesting I have to say. The immune system is such a weird thing really..

Ontop of this of course you have to figure in that people are more likely to tell others about their reactions if they are bad. Like, you are much more likely to hear is X was ill off it, than that they got it and were fine. Which scews perception somewhat

[Cherie]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/04/dutch-start-using-the-janssen-vaccine-after-ema-declares-it-safe/

Netherlands begins with using Janssen (Johnson & Johnson) vaccine, after EMA had declared it safe

They said exactly the same thing about Janssen as they did with AZ

The benefits outweigh the risks of rare clots

[Vicky.]

They said exactly the same thing about Janssen as they did with AZ

The benefits outweigh the risks of rare clots

Fighting a losing battle here I think cherie :p

[Cherie]

Fighting a losing battle here I think cherie :p

:laugh:

[user104658]

Obviously anecdotally, but it seems among those I know, the AZ vaccine hits HARD if you have had covid previously. This is first and second dose. Among those who 'have not had' (ie, generally not had a positive test, though they could have had it with no symptoms or whatever) covid, first dose is easy, second harsh. Speaking generally just from what I have heard.

My dad, gavins mam and gavin all had covid and got a day or two of feeling ****ty off the first jab. Gavs brother, and his wife had not had covid, and felt nowt off first jab. However, his brother has had second one now and got period of illness similar to other people got off first. This seems to be following with friends too, though it does seem one person I know, who had confirmed covid last year, has not had any side effects at all off either jab...but that seems to be the exception rather than the rule!

Not sure on pfizer though as it seems near everyone here is getting AZ.

This means nowt really. But am finding it all a bit interesting I have to say. The immune system is such a weird thing really..

Ontop of this of course you have to figure in that people are more likely to tell others about their reactions if they are bad. Like, you are much more likely to hear is X was ill off it, than that they got it and were fine. Which scews perception somewhat

I'd say it hit me moderately hard - no fever or anything but I'd describe it as feeling like I'd had no sleep for 3 days no matter how much sleep I got, I felt a bit "floaty" like I wasn't really here or couldn't concentrate and I had a banging headache at the base of my skull (the blood clots obviously).

It is POSSIBLE that I had Covid in early May 2020 but I never had a test so I guess now we'll never know...

[Cherie]

I had my first jab last Friday and apart from a sore arm which I still have kind of, and feeling tired on Saturday that's been it so far.

I know I didn't have covid as I had an antibody test recently to check :hee:

[Cherie]

20% of adults fully vaccinated now

and 63% of the adult population have had their first jab

[Cherie]

and I neither got a sticker or a little card to carry :hmph:

[user104658]

and I neither got a sticker or a little card to carry :hmph:

That was the worst side effect for me. Feeling left out.