[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Still doing this kizzy? I remember you talking about this years back..

It still makes not much sense to me, however, thats because I do total water fasts instead, and the whole point of that is to get your body into ketosis, which burns fat FAST and leaves alone muscle largely. Where this, would not have that benefit, as the sugar would likely be too high to get into ketosis to start with.

But it seems to help those who try it so...meh. Also I have found, the psychological benefits of fasting in general are amazing. Its quite hard to explain, but I expect those who have done fasts understand what I mean...everythings so..clear. Its weird.

Loads of stuff thats actually rather healthy is written off as a dangerous fad. I know this from my research into water fasting, people see it as starving yourself, which is sort of right, however, you always stop it when you get a sign of true hunger, which oddly, tends not to be til a few WEEKS after starting it, as funnily enough, our bodies are not designed to be fed around the clock, and are actually able to go very long periods of time with no food at all (average body can go about 40 days with nothing bar water..much longer if overweight). It actually fixes a lot of health issues too, which was the main reason I tried it. Didn't fix me, but did lose 2 stone in a week and a half, 5 pounds of which was water weight as came back immediately, rest stayed off.

Fixes a lot of health stuff because again, our bodies naturally repair themselves with certain stuff (seems to help mostly with stuff like acne, but some people have had success with other illnesses too, my cousins swears his IBS is much better and easier to manage after a fast), and with no food, your body has much less work to do as whole digestive system is dormant, so it can get to work trying to fix issues. Its quite amazing really when you read into it, what our bodies can do if given the chance..

Hi Vicky great to see you yep did it about 4ish years ago with great results but working shifts for years has seen it all come back slowly
I couldn't water fast and work and drive wouldn't feel safe to do that. (I'm in various states of ketosis, sometimes light pink sometimes darker on the ketostix) only have a small fruit one in the mornings then it's just veg.

I agree it does take some time to explain the benefits for someone with chronic inflammation or complex heath problems. Like you I see it as a reset too, a way of resting the body from the taxing job of constantly digesting so it can focus on other tasks

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by caprimint

I remember you talking about it in another thread before Vicky

Did you find water fasting hard? And did you have anything like diet soda/tea or whatever? Also did you do any exercise or even just much walking throughout the days? Did you feel weak at all??

To start with, definitely. It was more the..habit of eating though than hunger. Day 2 I am 'starving though' always, but day 3 the hunger vanishes totally and I get a ****load of energy, thats when I know my body has switched to basically feeding itself off my fat stores. Took a fair few tries to get past day 1 to start with! Not now though as I know its just one uncomfortable day, then I will feel healthier than ever for ages. Some people have diet drinks and that, I didn't, I did cheat and have chewing gum once though just for something to taste! Others have said even diet drinks have kicked them out of ketosis though, so not sure if its a good idea or not.

Did a lot of walking, had at least 3x as much energy as usual, which was odd the first time as..expected to be weak. Only ever feel weak on day 2, when body is adjusting. I have not done it to full 'body shows hunger' stage yet..I always break it before that, after a week or 2. But apparently, once your hunger signs show its impossible to ignore or miss..and if you continue the fast beyond that point THEN you are starving yourself. Will get to that stage eventually, just to see. They say real hunger is felt in the throat, not the stomach too, which is interesting..

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Hi Vicky great to see you yep did it about 4ish years ago with great results but working shifts for years has seen it all come back slowly
I couldn't water fast and work and drive wouldn't feel safe to do that. (I'm in various states of ketosis, sometimes light pink sometimes darker on the ketostix) only have a small fruit one in the mornings then it's just veg.

I agree it does take some time to explain the benefits for someone with chronic inflammation or complex heath problems. Like you I see it as a reset too, a way of resting the body from the taxing job of constantly digesting so it can focus on other tasks

I remember spending ages taking in info to my doctor, to try and get them to supervise first one..as I was a bit skitzy with other issues..she kept telling me how unhealthy it is, meanwhile pain clinic consultant was telling me to try it as its 100% safe for me personally (not for everyone)

Theres a lot of ignorance around fasting. Its understandable, given how much its drummed into us that we should always be eating though

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

To start with, definitely. It was more the..habit of eating though than hunger. Day 2 I am 'starving though' always, but day 3 the hunger vanishes totally and I get a ****load of energy, thats when I know my body has switched to basically feeding itself off my fat stores. Took a fair few tries to get past day 1 to start with! Not now though as I know its just one uncomfortable day, then I will feel healthier than ever for ages. Some people have diet drinks and that, I didn't, I did cheat and have chewing gum once though just for something to taste! Others have said even diet drinks have kicked them out of ketosis though, so not sure if its a good idea or not.

Did a lot of walking, had at least 3x as much energy as usual, which was odd the first time as..expected to be weak. Only ever feel weak on day 2, when body is adjusting. I have not done it to full 'body shows hunger' stage yet..I always break it before that, after a week or 2. But apparently, once your hunger signs show its impossible to ignore or miss..and if you continue the fast beyond that point THEN you are starving yourself. Will get to that stage eventually, just to see. They say real hunger is felt in the throat, not the stomach too, which is interesting..

That's really interesting. The most I've done was like 2 days and a bit, not planned though... I was travelling in the car a lot and just didn't really feel like eating and then realised after I'd not eaten anything, just drank water and tea. I actually felt fine, not hungry/weak or anything but on the third day I literally just ate because I thought I should.

Do you feel any different when you get into keto?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by caprimint

That's really interesting. The most I've done was like 2 days and a bit, not planned though... I was travelling in the car a lot and just didn't really feel like eating and then realised after I'd not eaten anything, just drank water and tea. I actually felt fine, not hungry/weak or anything but on the third day I literally just ate because I thought I should.

Do you feel any different when you get into keto?

Massively. Thats the energetic phase, also clear mind for some reason. I can concentrate better, memory gets better, everything. In keto I feel healthier than I did in my teens tbh. Remembering how good it makes me feel is actually making me want to do it again now The 'keto flu' stage on day 2/3 though is bad..and seems worse if your diets been ****e for a while too, its a little like opiate withdrawal actually..very crappy. Luckily for me though, that lasts a day at most then its all done and I feel great, apparently it takes a few days for some people.

Main problems I have seen have been about breaking it. A guy I know did 2 weeks water fasting,m then stupidly broke it with a mcdonalds he actually ended up in hospital. If its been a while, you need to start with watermelon or something and build back up to 'normal' eating, not just binge like hell!

[Vicky.]

And yes, it does cut your cravings for crap.

Kind of a reset button in a way

My diet has been shocking in the past, pretty much living on takeaways and that. After a fast, you crave fresh veg and that for ages. For me, even the thought of a greasy burger made me feel ill for weeks. Eventually I have slipped back sometimes, but its easy to reset again, even just say..5 days fasting. I do plan on doing a 30 day one, to lose all my extra weight at some stage, just..not yet. Bit amibitious, even though the hunger goes around day 3/4, and you get loads of energy from nowhere too..

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

And yes, it does cut your cravings for crap.

Kind of a reset button in a way

My diet has been shocking in the past, pretty much living on takeaways and that. After a fast, you crave fresh veg and that for ages. For me, even the thought of a greasy burger made me feel ill for weeks. Eventually I have slipped back sometimes, but its easy to reset again, even just say..5 days fasting. I do plan on doing a 30 day one, to lose all my extra weight at some stage, just..not yet. Bit amibitious, even though the hunger goes around day 3/4, and you get loads of energy from nowhere too..

Deffo agree! I remember last time after the fast trying to eat a Mars bar, it was so sweet! It was disgusting, unfortunately I persevered with it :/

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Deffo agree! I remember last time after the fast trying to eat a Mars bar, it was so sweet! It was disgusting, unfortunately I persevered with it :/

Haha yeah, been there. Its awful, but keep going. Then your body ends up craving sugar again and back to square one

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Haha yeah, been there. Its awful, but keep going. Then your body ends up craving sugar again and back to square one

Not doing that this time I've learned my lesson, I just got lazy and complacent. Just eating whatevers convenient and quick at work. I meal prep now and freeze stuff as my lad works shifts too.

[Vicky.]

Not read the whole thread so not sure what this arguments about but fasting is much better for the body than even the occasional binge drink and kebab night tbh. Our bodies are meant to fast. And its obvious if you think about it..its only recent years where foods been on tap all the time, we used to have to hunt, and that could take forever and we didn't die out. Very long periods of time 'starving' is usual for us as animals, not for us as..well what we are used to, this 2000 calories, 4 meals a day stuff that we have over and over again since birth..

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Not read the whole thread so not sure what this arguments about but fasting is much better for the body than even the occasional binge drink and kebab night tbh. Our bodies are meant to fast. And its obvious if you think about it..its only recent years where foods been on tap all the time, we used to have to hunt, and that could take forever and we didn't die out. Very long periods of time 'starving' is usual for us as animals, not for us as..well what we are used to, this 2000 calories, 4 meals a day stuff that we have over and over again since birth..

Again agree, had this with my daughter before the last fast she said mum you need 2000 cals a day to function! I said is that the same for you? At the time she was 5'1 and a size 10 she said yes... so how come I'm 5'10 and a size 18 and we require exactly the same fuel? It's like expecting a truck to go as far as a micra on a litre of petrol!!

[LaLaLand]

There's nothing wrong with a juice cleanse once in a while as long as it's just that, once in a while. Have heard intermittent fasting is very beneficial too.

I've never done one properly but I can relate to wanting to cut stuff out and get healthier and the like and the benefits are great.

I've lost 8stone 5lbs since the Summer using an app and tracking steps/calories/water with a couple of hours in the gym a week and it's changed my life. Still got about 1.5 stone to go before I'm happy but yeah, can't quite believe I've done it.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LaLaLand

There's nothing wrong with a juice cleanse/intermittent fasting etc once in a while as long as it's just that, once in a while AND you're using nutritious juice on the cleanse.

I've never done one properly but I can relate to wanting to cut stuff out and get healthier and the like and the benefits are great. I've lost 8stone 5lbs since the Summer using an app and tracking steps/calories/water and it's changed my life. Still got about 1.5 stone to go before I'm happy but yeah, can't quite believe I've done it.

Meh that bit doesn't matter. Waters actually best..so no nutrition at all

Obviously its an issue if you basically do it constantly, as thats anorexia really. But as a one off every now and again, even for a few weeks, its fine, unless you have other health issues (prob wouldnt be too safe for diabetics for example..but thats common sense) or are already very underweight.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LaLaLand

There's nothing wrong with a juice cleanse once in a while as long as it's just that, once in a while. Have heard intermittent fasting is very beneficial too.

I've never done one properly but I can relate to wanting to cut stuff out and get healthier and the like and the benefits are great.

I've lost 8stone 5lbs since the Summer using an app and tracking steps/calories/water with a couple of hours in the gym a week and it's changed my life. Still got about 1.5 stone to go before I'm happy but yeah, can't quite believe I've done it.

Wowee that's some achievement well done!! With this wonky knee getting about is a pain which is a shame as I love walking but getting the weight off it is really helping, just joined a local pool as a member too

[caprimint]

I remember you talking about it in another thread before Vicky

Did you find water fasting hard? And did you have anything like diet soda/tea or whatever? Also did you do any exercise or even just much walking throughout the days? Did you feel weak at all??

[user104658]

I feel like it's important to point out at this stage that some of the "dietary" advice being given here is ranging from inadvisable to downright dangerous. I mean... it's your body, do what you want with it, but I have to say draw a line at encouraging other people to do it.

If you want to be a healthy weight and feel good, eat whole grains, fruit, veg, nuts, seeds, legumes and lean protein and stick to that permanently. Crash dieting is dangerous and daft no matter how many internet articles tell you otherwise, and (as the people advocating it seem to be freely admitting??) almost always leads to a relapse into unhealthy eating.

Again do what you want with your own body but stop suggesting to other people that it's a good idea. It's reckless.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LaLaLand

There's nothing wrong with a juice cleanse once in a while as long as it's just that, once in a while. Have heard intermittent fasting is very beneficial too.

I've never done one properly but I can relate to wanting to cut stuff out and get healthier and the like and the benefits are great.

I've lost 8stone 5lbs since the Summer using an app and tracking steps/calories/water with a couple of hours in the gym a week and it's changed my life. Still got about 1.5 stone to go before I'm happy but yeah, can't quite believe I've done it.

Amazing, you have done it in a way that you can maintain as well, lass calories more exercise is the only thing that works for me

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I feel like it's important to point out at this stage that some of the "dietary" advice being given here is ranging from inadvisable to downright dangerous. I mean... it's your body, do what you want with it, but I have to say draw a line at encouraging other people to do it.

If you want to be a healthy weight and feel good, eat whole grains, fruit, veg, nuts, seeds, legumes and lean protein and stick to that permanently. Crash dieting is dangerous and daft no matter how many internet articles tell you otherwise, and (as the people advocating it seem to be freely admitting??) almost always leads to a relapse into unhealthy eating.

Again do what you want with your own body but stop suggesting to other people that it's a good idea. It's reckless.

A 30 day fast is insane if you can fast for that length of time you should have no problem sticking to 1400 calories or thereabouts, add in 20 minutes a day of an exercise that will raise your heart rate and you will lose weight in no time

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Amazing, you have done it in a way that you can maintain as well, lass calories more exercise is the only thing that works for me




A 30 day fast is insane if you can fast for that length of time you should have no problem sticking to 1400 calories or thereabouts, add in 20 minutes a day of an exercise that will raise your heart rate and you will lose weight in no time

I take it the insane comment is directed at me? ...

What exactly am I deficient in apart from a few calories? Veg juice has plenty of vitamins minerals and soluble fibre to sustain me through the day.
I'm finding it really rude the snide comments that I haven't thought this through and researched the benefits thoroughly. I have arthritis. .. some days I struggle to walk without moderate pain even on naproxen, please tell me what excersises you recommend for me that I can do for 20mins on those days Cherie. I'm really interested.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I take it the insane comment is directed at me? ...

What exactly am I deficient in apart from a few calories? Veg juice has plenty of vitamins minerals and soluble fibre to sustain me through the day.
I'm finding it really rude the snide comments that I haven't thought this through and researched the benefits thoroughly. I have arthritis. .. some days I struggle to walk without moderate pain even on naproxen, please tell me what excersises you recommend for me that I can do for 20mins on those days Cherie. I'm really interested.

How would it be directed at you, who is doing the water fast in this thread not you? You didn’t fast you were on a juice cleanse.


How do I know what pain you have, at any rate exercise is recommended for those even with severe arthritis...in fact if you don’t exercise you will cease up. Can you swim? or do water aerobics or something.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/art-20047971

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

How would it be directed at you, who is doing the water fast in this thread not you? You didn’t fast you were on a juice cleanse.


How do I know what pain you have, at any rate exercise is recommended for those even with severe arthritis...in fact if you don’t exercise you will cease up. Can you swim? or do water aerobics or something.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/art-20047971

Because it's my thread and I've just done a 30 day cleanse/ fast maybe, are you attempting to educate me on my own condition?

[Vicky.]

Water fasting is not crash dieting Only if you do it repeatedly in a short space of time, eat ****e inbetween and do it specifically to lose weight I guess..but not generally.

Its safe aslong as you have no existing health issues, and are not underweight. Best to check with GP first though, but for most people its very safe, and also healthy..

(My GP was against it though I have to say, it was my pain clinic consultant that told me to get into it to start with and gave loads of info, then she convinced GP its safe too...not random internet articles )


Also should maybe point out, I didn't do it originally to lose weight. It was for the health benefits, and hoping my body *might* fix the problems I am having. That was the reason pain clinis consultant suggested it, as its been known to help many issues. Was a slim chance and didn't work. Weight loss was a happy side effect. Even now I do it for the high/energy I get when in ketosis rather than losing weight tbh.

[user104658]

It is the very definition of crash dieting .

If it's been done on medical advice that's one thing (there are various medical reasons to fast) but that is literally the only time people should be considering it ... I'm genuinely a bit concerned that someone is going to read this thread and decide it's a great idea to stop eating for a couple of days, or only drink juice for a month. Besides the potential for physical complications, things like this can trigger bonafide eating disorders.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It is the very definition of crash dieting .

If it's been done on medical advice that's one thing (there are various medical reasons to fast) but that is literally the only time people should be considering it ... I'm genuinely a bit concerned that someone is going to read this thread and decide it's a great idea to stop eating for a couple of days, or only drink juice for a month. Besides the potential for physical complications, things like this can trigger bonafide eating disorders.

Oh calm down, I haven't advocated it to anyone.. I've explained many times it was due to debilitating long term health conditions that I chose to reduce my calorie intake and drink only fruit and vegetable juices, hell if I'd said I was doing any other shake based diet would there be this much hoo-ha?
It's not a crash diet in any way shape or form.. I'm getting more nutrients from the juice in one sitting than I had in days on the diet I had! Refined carbs, sugar, saturated fat, more sugar.. how was that better?

Take your sanctamonious tone and drone on to someone else, I'm stunned you are accusing me of triggering someone into an eating disorder because Ive done a juice cleanse!!

My inspiration was seeing a film called 'fat, sick and nearly dead' for God's sake don't watch it, I don't want to be held responsible for your reaction!

[Vicky.]

I would suggest a health checkup first, to make sure you do not have underlying diabetes or something. Besides that, safe to do and our bodies are designed to do it (shorter fasts, when you get onto months or whatever it does have dangers apparently, albeit, low ones)

Certainly not suggesting anyone just stop eating randomly Infact I wouldn't recommend anyone did it specifically for weight loss anyway, although it is a very very fast way to lose weight, and none of mine came back bar waterweight.

[Vicky.]

Meh I think most have a 'anything in moderation is fine' mentality going on. Which is possibly right, maybe not but personally I would rather run the risk of an illness when older because of bad food choices, than be obsessively counting all calories, all fat content etc...that would be a pain in the arse tbh.

Mind, I also smoke, knowing full well its likely to give me issues at some stage.

Would rather enjoy life while I have it, than worry constantly trying to extend it in advance. Can't think of much worse than living to 100+ anyway!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Meh I think most have a 'anything in moderation is fine' mentality going on. Which is possibly right, maybe not but personally I would rather run the risk of an illness when older because of bad food choices, than be obsessively counting all calories, all fat content etc...that would be a pain in the arse tbh.

Mind, I also smoke, knowing full well its likely to give me issues at some stage.

Would rather enjoy life while I have it, than worry constantly trying to extend it in advance. Can't think of much worse than living to 100+ anyway!

Exactly. People take chances based on what they enjoy (or in some cases struggle to resist) whilst in full knowledge of what they are doing.

But, Kizzy likes to think they're all drooling uneducated twits who don't know what they're doing is unhealthy and she and her magic juice are all knowing.