Boris has asked the Queen to suspend Parliment, The Queen has now approved

[joeysteele]

John Major joins legal attempt to block suspension of parliament


Good for him I say.

[bots]

Here is the thing, what Boris is doing now is cynical ... i don't think anyone being honest would disagree with that. It would be undemocratic if Boris had shut parliament down permanently, but he is shutting it down for a very specific interval so although people can be rightly frustrated about it, there isn't a single party in parliament that wouldn't do exactly the same thing if the circumstances they found themselves in justified it.

Over the last 3 years, our entire parliament has been cynical. MP's who were brexiteers voted against the deal, thats cynical

MP's voted to take over the business in parliament, that's cynical. They forced a whole range of different votes, and nothing was approved. That's MP's being cynical

For a year, May was delaying putting the vote to parliament, waiting to the last possible moment for a vote, to try and force a deal upon the nation, that's cynical

May put the same bill to parliament 3 times, to try and force it through, thats cynical

The speaker cherry picked items in a biased way, that's cynical

Corbyn and the labour party have been transparent in their attempts to exploit the situation to try and grab power, thats cynical

So again, i can see why people are frustrated at the cynical action of Boris, but, no-one in parliament over these last 3 years has behaved any differently to him

[Kizzy]

The "parliament are not sitting for 4 weeks anyway due to conference" argument falls on its arse immediately, if parliament are not sitting due to conference, why the need to formally suspend it?
Unless you are making sure that even if they could, should or needed to, they couldn't?

[joeysteele]

The "parliament are not sitting for 4 weeks anyway due to conference" argument falls on its arse immediately, if parliament are not sitting due to conference, why the need to formally suspend it?
Unless you are making sure that even if they could, should or needed to, they couldn't?



... and that's the real point Kizzy.
Well said.

Also NO modern PM or government has done this for so long a period either.

[Daniel-X]

Hi diddly dee an independent life for me.

Not long now, and we'll be set free, free from our unelected leaders. An independent country once again. I can't wait to laugh at you anti British losers crying your fake tears.

Ha ha ha ha

Like Boris you mean? :)

[Marsh.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDDMtNeXYAASnE4?format=jpg&name=small
Jacob has gone UP
to Scotland to officially get the Queen to sign it.

Fancy wearing a Hitler tash. He has no shame.

[Kizzy]

Here is the thing, what Boris is doing now is cynical ... i don't think anyone being honest would disagree with that. It would be undemocratic if Boris had shut parliament down permanently, but he is shutting it down for a very specific interval so although people can be rightly frustrated about it, there isn't a single party in parliament that wouldn't do exactly the same thing if the circumstances they found themselves in justified it.

Over the last 3 years, our entire parliament has been cynical. MP's who were brexiteers voted against the deal, thats cynical

MP's voted to take over the business in parliament, that's cynical. They forced a whole range of different votes, and nothing was approved. That's MP's being cynical

For a year, May was delaying putting the vote to parliament, waiting to the last possible moment for a vote, to try and force a deal upon the nation, that's cynical

May put the same bill to parliament 3 times, to try and force it through, thats cynical

The speaker cherry picked items in a biased way, that's cynical

Corbyn and the labour party have been transparent in their attempts to exploit the situation to try and grab power, thats cynical

So again, i can see why people are frustrated at the cynical action of Boris, but, no-one in parliament over these last 3 years has behaved any differently to him

Thats your opinion, however I say that to suggest any party would subvert parliamentary process and therefore democracy is wrong. It's not cynical it's autocratic.

[bots]

Thats your opinion, however I say that to suggest any party would subvert parliamentary process and therefore democracy is wrong. It's not cynical it's autocratic.

the word is exploited, not subverted. There is a difference. MP's exploit processes for their own purposes all the time. It's the nature of the beast

[Twosugars]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDDMtNeXYAASnE4?format=jpg&name=small
Jacob has gone UP
to Scotland to officially get the Queen to sign it.

The man who started dressing like a Victorian banker when he was a child :umm2:

[Jessica.]

The UK is a mess at the moment, it's very sad.

[The Slim Reaper]

Here is the thing, what Boris is doing now is cynical ... i don't think anyone being honest would disagree with that. It would be undemocratic if Boris had shut parliament down permanently, but he is shutting it down for a very specific interval so although people can be rightly frustrated about it, there isn't a single party in parliament that wouldn't do exactly the same thing if the circumstances they found themselves in justified it.

Over the last 3 years, our entire parliament has been cynical. MP's who were brexiteers voted against the deal, thats cynical

MP's voted to take over the business in parliament, that's cynical. They forced a whole range of different votes, and nothing was approved. That's MP's being cynical

For a year, May was delaying putting the vote to parliament, waiting to the last possible moment for a vote, to try and force a deal upon the nation, that's cynical

May put the same bill to parliament 3 times, to try and force it through, thats cynical

The speaker cherry picked items in a biased way, that's cynical

Corbyn and the labour party have been transparent in their attempts to exploit the situation to try and grab power, thats cynical

So again, i can see why people are frustrated at the cynical action of Boris, but, no-one in parliament over these last 3 years has behaved any differently to him

I'll always admire your ability to take the most elaborate and long winded way to justify the unjustifiable.

[arista]

The UK is a mess at the moment, it's very sad.


Only from the Labour side

[bots]

I'll always admire your ability to take the most elaborate and long winded way to justify the unjustifiable.

and i always admire your ability to make a mountain out of a mole hill on every occasion :hehe:

[Jessica.]

Only from the Labour side

You are mistaken, honey.

[The Slim Reaper]

and i always admire your ability to make a mountain out of a mole hill on every occasion :hehe:

Evidence vs feelings.

[smudgie]

Judge has refused to order temporary halt to parliament suspension plans.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Beso]

The man who started dressing like a Victorian banker when he was a child :umm2:

Yet you are all for children dressing up as they want just the other day :shrug:

[arista]

You are mistaken, honey.


Look the Labour Leader
is Bonkers
he wants a visit with the Queen.


The Queen has already agreed
the extra 5 days

[arista]

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No its not Fish
he keeps backtracking

[The Slim Reaper]

No its not Fish
he keeps backtracking

WTF are you on about?

[Kizzy]

the word is exploited, not subverted. There is a difference. MP's exploit processes for their own purposes all the time. It's the nature of the beast

How about you choose your words and I'll choose mine?!
The only thing that has been exploited here is the truth, luckily Ben Wallace let it slip, so not as many of us are under any illusion as to the intention here.
By you suggesting he is exploiting parliamentary process is basically an admittance that proves he has some reason or purpose to serve in suspending parliament ... and that reason is to prevent parliamentary process.

[Twosugars]

Yet you are all for children dressing up as they want just the other day :shrug:

For once you have point. And you made me change my mind. I won't take the piss out of his dress sense any more.

[Kazanne]

Hi Kazanne.
With respect the Queen has to accept her Prime Minister's requests and advice.

She can't do anything else.
No matter what her own views may be.

Every PM knows that.
To have then put her in this position unnecessarily is what's wrong.

Sadly it's put the Queen at odds with not only people but Nations too like Scotland and N Ireland.
The poor woman has only done what she had to do.
With a modern PM unbelievably choosing to put her in that position when he never needed to.
Knowing she really couldn't refuse.

That's really worrying or should be.

:wavey: Joey, I just wish they would get on with it, its getting really annoying now , Isn't the queen for Brexit ? I heard his today,I am not too well versed on her duties tbh, I just thought that maybe why she said yes to Boris.

[Kizzy]

and i always admire your ability to make a mountain out of a mole hill on every occasion :hehe:

Is this constitutional crisis a molehill? :shrug:

[The Slim Reaper]

The truth will set you free

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[arista]

WTF are you on about?


He is a LBC presenter
that keeps digging up the past
He never gets over his point.

[The Slim Reaper]

He is a LBC presenter
that keeps digging up the past
He never gets over his point.

Have you watched the clip?

[arista]

Have you watched the clip?


Yes
he was live on the Radio

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes
he was live on the Radio

So how did you get that from that clip? You're prepared to force pain on a lot of British people purely to get what you want whereas his motives are selfless, so I'm finding it difficult to understand the point you were trying to make, if there was one to begin with.

[arista]

The truth will set you free

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Nothing New

[Kazanne]

They are just saying on the news now that if the EU think it will be blocked by Mps and protesters,they wont give us a deal, so surely the protests etc need to stop and see if we can get a deal, I don't see why people would object to that,I have a feeling they don't really want a deal, that is why they are playing up so much.

[arista]

So how did you get that from that clip? You're prepared to force pain on a lot of British people purely to get what you want whereas his motives are selfless, so I'm finding it difficult to understand the point you were trying to make, if there was one to begin with.



Thats how he puts it.
James own view
always Negative

[The Slim Reaper]

Nothing New

Come back to me when you display a range of different opinions on different topics, then you can maybe criticise others for saying the same things.

[The Slim Reaper]

Thats how he puts it.
James own view
always Negative

Weird how some people believe truth to be negative, but lies to be truth.

[smudgie]

They are just saying on the news now that if the EU think it will be blocked by Mps and protesters,they wont give us a deal, so surely the protests etc need to stop and see if we can get a deal, I don't see why people would object to that,I have a feeling they don't really want a deal, that is why they are playing up so much.

It would appear so Kaz.
Deal or no deal..might as well get Noel out of retirement.:joker:

[Kizzy]

Weird how some people believe truth to be negative, but lies to be truth.

'In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act'

[arista]

Weird how some people believe truth to be negative, but lies to be truth.



The Truth is Not Negative
but no one can prove what is in the PM's Mind.


Including Over Cocky LBC James

[arista]

Come back to me when you display a range of different opinions on different topics, then you can maybe criticise others for saying the same things.


Ben Wallace MP
talking of the record

Saying Nothing New

[The Slim Reaper]

Ben Wallace MP
talking of the record

Saying Nothing New

See, I could post a clip of Johnson and Farage saying brexit is a scam and laughing at all the rubes they've conned, and you'd still be on here saying:

Yes
It is known
Leave means leave
Remoaners

And yet you claim that others are repeating themselves. Even you must see the cognitive dissonance at play here.

[The Slim Reaper]

Ben Wallace MP
talking of the record

Saying Nothing New

Just an admission of the real motives behind it all, and not the pretend ones spouted by your PM.

[The Slim Reaper]

'In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act'

Who are you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?

[Twosugars]

See, I could post a clip of Johnson and Farage saying brexit is a scam and laughing at all the rubes they've conned, and you'd still be on here saying:

Yes
It is known
Leave means leave
Remoaners

And yet you claim that others are repeating themselves. Even you must see the cognitive dissonance at play here.

Arista a brexit bot ? :omgno:

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

Arista a brexit bot ? :omgno:


No

[Kazanne]

It would appear so Kaz.
Deal or no deal..might as well get Noel out of retirement.:joker:

:joker::joker: Noel for PM

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDNz9ACXkAA5STa?format=jpg&name=small

[Alf]

Fancy wearing a Hitler tash. He has no shame.That's not an Hitler tssh, it's Charlie Chaplin.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDNugV2X4AEZw1C?format=jpg&name=small


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EB7ARdfX4AAWbui?format=jpg&name=small

[Alf]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDNz9ACXkAA5STa?format=jpg&name=small

1167387719833665536Why do you always post this champagne socialist? Are you a champagne socialist, Slim?

[Alf]

So how did you get that from that clip? You're prepared to force pain on a lot of British people purely to get what you want whereas his motives are selfless, so I'm finding it difficult to understand the point you were trying to make, if there was one to begin with.What pain, Bruised ego's? Pret being closed down? No Polish or Romanians to do the housework for them and bring up their children.

[Cherie]

one thing it has done, it has shaken people of the inertia, MPs should have been clamouring to come back early to sort it after Boris was appointed, not swanning around having 6 weeks off

[The Slim Reaper]

Why do you always post this champagne socialist? Are a champagne socialist, Slim?

What are you defining as a champagne socialist? People not living on the breadline, yet still prefer policies that go against their own personal interests for the good of the working classes/poor?

Just need to know what your definition is.

[Cherie]

What pain, Bruised ego's? Pret being closed down? No Polish or Romanians to do the housework for them and bring up their children.

they will have American nannies now

[Alf]

Just an admission of the real motives behind it all, and not the pretend ones spouted by your PM.Your Prime Minister too.

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

What pain, Bruised ego's? Pret being closed down? No Polish or Romanians to do the housework for them and bring up their children.

Have you read this governments on memo on the pain that awaits? Oh, that's right, you have this arse backwards vision of the elites. You don't believe them to be the tory bullingdon club, who stand to make millions off brexit, you view them as middle class families.

[The Slim Reaper]

Your Prime Minister too.

You let yourself down again. You saw my post with that clip, and your takeaway was about the PM?

[Alf]

You let yourself down again. You saw my post with that clip, and your takeaway was about the PM?I've just woke up from an afternoon nap, all my faculty's aren't there yet.

[The Slim Reaper]

I've just woke up from an afternoon nap, all my faculty's aren't there yet.

Let me know when they arrive, I'd like to see a compos mentis Alf, to see if it's different from any other day :smug:

[The Slim Reaper]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[Alf]

It's a game of chicken with the EU. We'll get what we want in the end.

[Liam-]

It's a game of chicken with the EU. We'll get what we want in the end.

And when we don’t? Will you then admit that we’ve been taken for a ride to benefit the most well off and greedy?

[arista]

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[Alf]

And when we don’t? Will you then admit that we’ve been taken for a ride to benefit the most well off and greedy?No! I think staying in the unelected union is where the well off benefit most, that's why most the elites want to remain, and people like John Major come crawling out of the woodwork for that very reason.

[arista]

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[Alf]

If you far-lefties are protesting this weekend, then behave yourselves.

[Tom4784]

It's a game of chicken with the EU. We'll get what we want in the end.

So you're just... hoping for the best despite all the evidence saying that we're all gonna suffer in a no-deal scenario?

[Alf]

No! I think staying in the unelected union is where the well off benefit most, that's why most the elites want to remain, and people like John Major come crawling out of the woodwork for that very reason.

So you're just... hoping for the best despite all the evidence saying that we're all gonna suffer in a no-deal scenario?There is no evidence, because the Future hasn't been written. You listen to much to doomsday salesmen.

[Tom4784]

No! I think staying in the unelected union is where the well off benefit most, that's why most the elites want to remain, and people like John Major come crawling out of the woodwork for that very reason.

And how do you defend ignoring the advice and warnings of plenty of impartial financial experts and analysts who have warned us of the dangers of no-deal for years?

[Alf]

And how do you defend ignoring the advice and warnings of plenty of impartial financial experts and analysts who have warned us of the dangers of no-deal for years?They're bias or payed to say what they're told. I'd say anything if the price was right.

[Tom4784]

There is no evidence, because the Future hasn't been written. You listen to much to doomsday salesmen.

No, I'm simply not arrogant enough to disregard the words of financial minds who warn of the effects of a no-deal brexit. Can you say the same or do you think you know better?

[Tom4784]

They're bias or payed to say what they're told. I'd say anything if the price was right.

So anything you don't want to hear is inherently wrong or misleading?

[Alf]

So anything you don't want to hear is inherently wrong or misleading?Most things are in that game.

[Tom4784]

Most things are in that game.

That says it all, really.

Anything that goes against your agenda is wrong, any experts that tell you differently are biased and have been paid off and you are the only uncorrupted font of knowledge in the world.... It beggars belief...

[Alf]

That says it all, really.

Anything that goes against your agenda is wrong, any experts that tell you differently are biased and have been paid off and you are the only uncorrupted font of knowledge in the world.... It beggars belief...Exactly, the only person I trust is myself.

[arista]

If you far-lefties are protesting this weekend, then behave yourselves.


They Don't

[arista]

1167470793405673474

Busy Tuesday next week
in Parliament , then.

[arista]

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[Alf]

1167474117332865024The people vs the establishment.

Who's side you on?

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDO0OaxWsAA4soD?format=jpg&name=small

A Fake Photo on Twitter

[Beso]

Exactly, the only person I trust is myself.

:clap1:

[Beso]

That says it all, really.

Anything that goes against your agenda is wrong, any experts that tell you differently are biased and have been paid off and you are the only uncorrupted font of knowledge in the world.... It beggars belief...

Beggars belief is a bit outdated dezzy...this isn't 1979 mate...rather insulting term of phrase actually these days.

[Twosugars]

What pain, Bruised ego's? Pret being closed down? No Polish or Romanians to do the housework for them and bring up their children.

Classist nonsense :laugh:
Middle classes will be ok

Get ready for more non EU immigrants. Bet it will go down a storm with all the racists and xenophobes :laugh:

[Beso]

Classiest nonsense :laugh:
Middle classes will be ok

Get ready for more non EU immigrants. Bet it will go down a storm with all the racists and xenophobes :laugh:


I would like to research that claim...do you have a starting link about that, that I could begin from?

[joeysteele]

:wavey: Joey, I just wish they would get on with it, its getting really annoying now , Isn't the queen for Brexit ? I heard his today,I am not too well versed on her duties tbh, I just thought that maybe why she said yes to Boris.

People speculate on what the Queen thinks Kazanne.
She in 60+ years on the throne has handled her duties very dutifully.

No matter the government or PM in power.

While a PM has not lost a vote of confidence in parliament.
She has to sign whatever the Commons and Lords pass.
She also has to agree to what her PMs advise or request.

If Corbyn, Swinson Farage or in this case Johnson had put this forward as a PM.
She'd HAVE to agree and sign it.
Vice versa too if they were asking the opposite, she'd HAVE to sign that too.

It's a figurehead Monarchy.
Sometimes in my view sadly so.

[Twosugars]

I would like to research that claim...do you have a starting link about that, that I could begin from?

Google is your friend. Research the clowns and farage statements on immigration
Not doing the basics for you

[Marsh.]

Exactly, the only person I trust is myself.

But your opinion is based on information and data sourced by other people. So you have to trust other people and their information.

[Marsh.]

Beggars belief is a bit outdated dezzy...this isn't 1979 mate...rather insulting term of phrase actually these days.

1/10

[Tom4784]

Beggars belief is a bit outdated dezzy...this isn't 1979 mate...rather insulting term of phrase actually these days.

So I see you have nothing to contradict what I'm saying, just faux outrage over a saying we all know you wouldn't care about if anyone else said it.

[Tom4784]

Exactly, the only person I trust is myself.

You're a victim of the Trump effect, people now believe they can overcome evidence and truth by screeching 'Fake news!' at it. Facts are facts and the fact is that you don't know more about economy then all the people warning us about what will happen if we crash out of the EU. To make out that anyone who tells you something you don't want to hear is biased or corrupt is just wilful ignorance.

It's sad when people choose lies over the truth, this era in world history will inevitably be known as an era of ignorance in which people wilfully parted with their senses to engage in fantasy, where people are bringing back diseases that were mostly wiped out because they believe the lie that vaccines are dangerous over the truth, where people deny climate change and the fact we're heading towards an environmental collapse and would doom their own children to a life of suffering the consequences just to live in joyful ignorance for a little while longer.

It's truly worrying how far our world is regressing.

[Twosugars]

You're a victim of the Trump effect, people now believe they can overcome evidence and truth by screeching 'Fake news!' at it. Facts are facts and the fact is that you don't know more about economy then all the people warning us about what will happen if we crash out of the EU. To make out that anyone who tells you something you don't want to hear is biased or corrupt is just wilful ignorance.

It's sad when people choose lies over the truth, this era in world history will inevitably be known as an era of ignorance in which people wilfully parted with their senses to engage in fantasy, where people are bringing back diseases that were mostly wiped out because they believe the lie that vaccines are dangerous over the truth, where people deny climate change and the fact we're heading towards an environmental collapse and would doom their own children to a life of suffering the consequences just to live in joyful ignorance for a little while longer.

It's truly worrying how far our world is regressing.

And all this while the far right asserts itself around the globe.
Last time they seized power we had hitler, Mussolini and franco. Let's see what fresh calamities they produce this time before they are put back in their box.
Sad times indeed. People don't learn from history.

[Beso]

So I see you have nothing to contradict what I'm saying, just faux outrage over a saying we all know you wouldn't care about if anyone else said it.

What are you saying?

Is it that you listen to others on certain subjects, but then freely disregard others, on other subjects?

[Beso]

And all this while the far right asserts itself around the globe.
Last time they seized power we had hitler, Mussolini and franco. Let's see what fresh calamities they produce this time before they are put back in their box.
Sad times indeed. People don't learn from history.


One thing we didn't have then was half the population of each country already on our shores.

[arista]

More Wasted Demos start outside Downing Street
today at mid day

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[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/19/08/768x432/skynews-boris-johnson-downing_4760475.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190831115407


https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/FCwPX0ZvURxuS8nWbuL1ew/https/media.fyre.co/Vc2GazClRnCvHrX7mGUF_Whitehall%202.jpg
Massive Photo
carrying the signs.


https://news.sky.com/story/protests-against-suspending-parliament-take-place-across-uk-11798480

[user104658]

They're bias or payed to say what they're told. I'd say anything if the price was right.An independent financial analyst's entire reputation, and thus their career, is based around making *correct* financial predictions. It's not just the high profile ones that are predicting huge problems, it's smaller day-to-day analysts. Do you honestly believe that hundreds of them are being "paid off" to falsely predict economic damage?

Its just illogical Alf. In theory they COULD all be wrong if there's some unknown factor that they've all been unaware of... But to suggest that they're all being deliberately dishonest is bizarre.

[bots]

An independent financial analyst's entire reputation, and thus their career, is based around making *correct* financial predictions. It's not just the high profile ones that are predicting huge problems, it's smaller day-to-day analysts. Do you honestly believe that hundreds of them are being "paid off" to falsely predict economic damage?

Its just illogical Alf. In theory they COULD all be wrong if there's some unknown factor that they've all been unaware of... But to suggest that they're all being deliberately dishonest is bizarre.

the whole point about the financial market is that it is all done based on the future price of an instrument at various points in the future. That's how they know there is a dip coming because the future has already happened

Across the entire financial industry it is a very accurate prediction

[user104658]

This is such a complicated issue to detach from really. In theory, if I was a lone wolf in the world, I'd be all for tearing up the establishment and trying to forge a new path. At heart *in isolation* I'm a bit of an anarchist... I always have been. That changes a bit when you have kids, and it changes a lot when you have a child with disabilities. Even short term disruption could have an absolutely devastating effect for us. But still, in principle, I get it: the old systems are broken.

Now...

That would be, if I thought the motivations behind it all WERE to tear up the corrupt neo-liberal system and create a better one in its place.

But I don't, not for a second. For the wealthy it's about vested interests and the huge profits they can make by stripping away the red tape and deliberately destabilising the economy. For the working class it's about anger, fear xenophobia and misplaced patriotism.

And the result will be a slightly broken system being replaced, indeed, but not by something better... Just by something louder.

[user104658]

the whole point about the financial market is that it is all done based on the future price of an instrument at various points in the future. That's how they know there is a dip coming because the future has already happened



Across the entire financial industry it is a very accurate predictionIndeed, the product is essentially confidence, and thus a self fulfilling prophesy... In simpler terms, right now the British economy is an extremely poor bet.

[arista]

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Labour MP's busy getting in with all the protests
London and Cities.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDSA2d9XsAALC1F?format=jpg&name=small



And a Anti Labour Twitter post
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDSpeAmXsAAcGEL?format=jpg&name=small

[Tom4784]

More Wasted Demos start outside Downing Street
today at mid day

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Arista, do you believe an unelected official suspending parliament in order to prevent the democratic process is okay? That it's a good thing?

Would you support such a thing if Corbyn was behind it?

[Alf]

They've had over 3 years to get on with the democratic process, how far they got? A couple of days isn't gonna make any difference.

I want it all, and I want it now

[Tom4784]

They've had over 3 years to get on with the democratic process, how far they got? A couple of days isn't gonna make any difference.

I want it all, and I want it now

So people opposing Brexit is undemocratic (often the words of leavers) but suspending the democratic process to ensure a no-deal brexit is acceptable because it benefits what you want?

Do you not see the issue with that?

[Alf]

So people opposing Brexit is undemocratic (often the words of leavers) but suspending the democratic process to ensure a no-deal brexit is acceptable because it benefits what you want?

Do you not see the issue with that?Is all I see is bad losers, it's all I've seen for over 3 years.

[Tom4784]

Is all I see is bad losers, it's all I've seen for over 3 years.

So you're perfectly fine with undemocratic measures, as long as it benefits you? You'll gladly call people 'bad losers' while being perfectly fine with rigging the game in your favour?

Do you not see the INSANE hypocrisy there?

[arista]

Arista, do you believe an unelected official suspending parliament in order to prevent the democratic process is okay? That it's a good thing?

Would you support such a thing if Corbyn was behind it?


Look its only a extra 5 days
as no party has the balls to cancel their Conference.

Yes Gordon Brown PM New Labour
was also unelected.

How Ironic of John Major
who also did the same thing.

So Yes Dezzy
I agree to take a extra 5 days off

And I would allow Corbyn the same deal.

[arista]

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[Tom4784]

Look its only a extra 5 days
as no party has the balls to cancel their Conference.

Yes Gordon Brown PM New Labour
was also unelected.

How Ironic of John Major
who also did the same thing.

So Yes Dezzy
I agree to take a extra 5 days off

And I would allow Corbyn the same deal.

And that's a lot of time. I don't care who did it before, it's wrong to impede the democratic process.

[arista]

And that's a lot of time. I don't care who did it before, it's wrong to impede the democratic process.


It's all Legal.

[arista]

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Now look Old Fella
this ain't a No Coup


All it is
is 5 extra days off

[Mitchell]

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Now look Old Fella
this ain't a No Coup


All it is
is 5 extra days off

Three fantastic people

[Kizzy]

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Now look Old Fella
this ain't a No Coup


All it is
is 5 extra days off

It most certainly is not, an extra 5 days off why would they need thst after they just returned after summer recess?
In all fairness I'm really annoyed they even had a recess they should've preempted that Boris would do that, I hope they were and are as prepared as they will need to be.

[Cherie]

If there is a crisis that requires it, all leave is cancelled for the police,

Doctors and nurses come in on their days off if there is an incident

these lazy sods should have been clamouring to come back early, not a peep of of any of them

[Twosugars]

Is all I see is bad losers, it's all I've seen for over 3 years.

They only had few months, not three years.

[Twosugars]

If there is a crisis that requires it, all leave is cancelled for the police,

Doctors and nurses come in on their days off if there is an incident

these lazy sods should have been clamouring to come back early, not a peep of of any of them

True, their holidays are too long anyway

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDTl62MWsAAZnJN?format=jpg&name=small
Even The Labour Leader
in Glasgow

[Beso]

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Even The Labour Leader
in Glasgow

Did he gave to go as far afield as Glasgow for a safe audience.:conf:

[Beso]

Three fantastic people

And one unfortunately large hat.:shrug:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[lime]

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Nothing dictorial about that headline :laugh:

I personally think the Pm although he might sit on the throne ...It is those behind the throne that make the descions ...much like the Trump administration.


It really is confusing for us in the 27 to see the British media's reporting..."they are ratteled now.""They didn't know what happened when Boris came to power..they never met anyone like him"

Boris is well known to the EU..he has been a journalist reporting about the EU for years..It is my understanding that they are quite fond of him and have a good laugh with him over a few glasses of vino..

[arista]

Yes lime
I would like Dominic Cummings
to go with Boris , next time in the EU meeting

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[lime]

Yes lime
I would like Dominic Cummings
to go with Boris , next time in the EU meeting

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Why? what makes you think that we in the EU would bow down or negotiate with an unelected induiviual ?He might command alot of power in the Uk..he is irrelavent to us.

Those who voted Brexit often complain that the MEP's are unelected...then move on to say Cummings will sort them out??

[arista]

Why? what makes you think that we in the EU would bow down or negotiate with an unelected induiviual ?He might command alot of power in the Uk..he is irrelavent to us.

Those who voted Brexit often complain that the MEP's are unelected...then move on to say Cummings will sort them out??


With the PM
the 2 are united.

The EU will not remove the Backstop.
so it has to be a new plan.

[arista]

Tuesday Parliament
Showdown

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[The Slim Reaper]

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What's your opinion on Gove refusing to answer whether or not the tories will follow the law?

[arista]

What's your opinion on Gove refusing to answer whether or not the tories will follow the law?



Its the Do or Die
line, getting in the way.

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Its the Do or Die
line, getting in the way.

Great. Now can you answer the question that I asked?

[Cherie]

Its all we hear....everyone is very angry, why aren't they back at work already?

[bots]

Its all we hear....everyone is very angry, why aren't they back at work already?

Everything happening in parliament at the moment just stinks of hypocrisy. I blame them all. The HoC could have asked for it not to be broken up over the holiday period to resolve all this .... but holidays are more important than fighting a no deal brexit

[Cherie]

Everything happening in parliament at the moment just stinks of hypocrisy. I blame them all. The HoC could have asked for it not to be broken up over the holiday period to resolve all this .... but holidays are more important than fighting a no deal brexit

Our government and opposition, and I include all parties, the Greens, the Lib Dems, everyone are nothing short of a joke, they should have taken a two week break and been back at work like every person would be if they had a crisis on their hands at work, I have nothing but the utmost contempt for all of them at this stage

just so easy isn't it to be interviewed from your front room saying how angry you are ...and to cap it all he says John Major is going to court to try and stop it...why aren't you ...sitting MP John McDonnell doing just that lol

[arista]

Gove will use his own rules
Not Labour Rules

[The Slim Reaper]

Our government and opposition, and I include all parties, the Greens, the Lib Dems, everyone are nothing short of a joke, they should have taken a two week break and been back at work like every person would be if they had a crisis on their hands at work, I have nothing but the utmost contempt for all of them at this stage

just so easy isn't it to be interviewed from your front room saying how angry you are ...and to cap it all he says John Major is going to court to try and stop it...why aren't you ...sitting MP John McDonnell doing just that lol

It's not a both sides issue though, is it?

I agree with the point that they should have been back at work regardless, as the leave date is 31st October.

Tusk told us not to waste this extension, and since then we've had a tory election and recess.

The path the tories are on now was rejected by every single one of them in the leadership run, and all of them spoke about how anti-democratic it was, so it's not something they really should have needed to plan for.

I agree there is blame across all parties for the state of where we are, but what the tories are doing now isn't normal, and shouldn't be treated as such. Gove on the Marr program point blankly refusing to say the government will follow the law if legislation is passed.

You can be on any side of brexit and know this isn't what any of us should be cheering on.

[The Slim Reaper]

Gove will use his own rules
Not Labour Rules

Are you personally ok with them ignoring the law to make their own rules? They are not labour rules.

I seem to remember everyone screaming and crying about the fears of Corbyn's so-called communism, and yet here you are, openly supporting a fascist anti-democratic approach to government.

[arista]

Are you personally ok with them ignoring the law to make their own rules? They are not labour rules.

I seem to remember everyone screaming and crying about the fears of Corbyn's so-called communism, and yet here you are, openly supporting a fascist anti-democratic approach to government.


Lets see what happens on Tuesday

No law has been broken

[The Slim Reaper]

Lets see what happens on Tuesday

No law has been broken

But would you be ok with it? because Gove refused to say whether the government would follow the law, and you seemed to be saying that was the right thing to do. So again, should the tories ignore the law to give you a no-deal brexit (if that's where we get to)?

[Nicky91]

But would you be ok with it? because Gove refused to say whether the government would follow the law, and you seemed to be saying that was the right thing to do. So again, should the tories ignore the law to give you a no-deal brexit (if that's where we get to)?

of course, tories and that Farage's Brexit Party want a no deal brexit as that is the only real ''leave means leave'' option for them

they want it, they should get it then and if it backfires on them, that our confirmations are proven correct that britain will struggle after no deal, well karma is a bitch then but you can't come crawling back to the EU, because OUT means OUT (if you guys can be smug with your leave means leave well we in EU can do the same then if you come back with tail between the legs)

[Twosugars]

For a government minister to say they may not follow the law is astonishing. It is a coup then, pure and simple.

[arista]

But would you be ok with it? because Gove refused to say whether the government would follow the law, and you seemed to be saying that was the right thing to do. So again, should the tories ignore the law to give you a no-deal brexit (if that's where we get to)?


Yes I would back Gove MP
break a rule

Rock ON.

[The Slim Reaper]

of course, tories and that Farage's Brexit Party want a no deal brexit as that is the only real ''leave means leave'' option for them

they want it, they should get it then and if it backfires on them, that our confirmations are proven correct that britain will struggle after no deal, well karma is a bitch then but you can't come crawling back to the EU, because OUT means OUT (if you guys can be smug with your leave means leave well we in EU can do the same then if you come back with tail between the legs)

They actually want a no-deal because it's the only way the people can't see how bad it is before it happens. When may got her deal together, people saw it was worse than what we have, so they rejected it.

Brexit was based on lies and deceit from the off, so the only way people don't see it, is in a no-deal where there aren't any details whatsoever. It's also pretty cruel to look t it that way you do, when a vast majority don't want brexit, and absolutely nobody voted for a no-deal. To wish pain and suffering on your neighbours isn't a good look for you, Nicky.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes I would back Gove MP
break a rule

Rock ON.

It's not a rule, it's a law. Massive difference

I never had you down as a fascist before. I always wondered how people fell into the Nazi trap. I mean, how could a whole population be seduced by the tactics you are now cheering on?

Brexit has highlighted just how easy people can be swayed when things are setup as these people versus these people.

You're a different person from the one I believed you to be, my friend.

[Nicky91]

wish pain and suffering, i- what

i'm not doing that, i care about the poor and middle class, and i feel bad for them, they are stuck with such smug hardcore brexiteer elite, who only care about themselves rather than what's best for britain and the poor in britain

since we all know, the rich elite won't suffer or struggle at all, after a no deal brexit

[joeysteele]

For a government minister to say they may not follow the law is astonishing. It is a coup then, pure and simple.

It is both worrying and should be unacceptable.

Setting an even worse worrying precedent, no matter what make up of government is in power.

So is this what a leave vote meant as to take power back.
To hand it to one extreme grouping over all others.

[Twosugars]

It is both worrying and should be unacceptable.

Setting an even worse worrying precedent, no matter what make up of government is in power.

So is this what a leave vote meant as to take power back.
To hand it to one extreme grouping over all others.

One day in not too distant future these people should actually face charges and go to prison.
It is depressing how low this country has fallen.

[arista]

It's not a rule, it's a law. Massive difference

I never had you down as a fascist before. I always wondered how people fell into the Nazi trap. I mean, how could a whole population be seduced by the tactics you are now cheering on?

Brexit has highlighted just how easy people can be swayed when things are setup as these people versus these people.

You're a different person from the one I believed you to be, my friend.



You sadly assume too much

[Cherie]

One day in not too distant future these people should actually face charges and go to prison.
It is depressing how low this country has fallen.

Have to agree

[joeysteele]

One day in not too distant future these people should actually face charges and go to prison.
It is depressing how low this country has fallen.

It's all very sad indeed how low it has, and seemingly still falling lower Twosugars.
I totally agree with that and it's a tragedy.

[arista]

For a government minister to say they may not follow the law is astonishing. It is a coup then, pure and simple.


The Law will be Followed
but it can not be Corrupted

[Twosugars]

The Law will be Followed
but it can not be Corrupted

:conf:

What are you on about?

[arista]

:conf:

What are you on about?


The Speaker of the House
is Corrupt
he is not impartial.

[Tom4784]

This whole situation is very reminiscent of Trump's supporters. One of the main reasons his supporters are so vehemently in his corner is a need to 'own the libs!!11' It's less about supporting Trump and more about lashing out at 'the enemy'.

Leavers that are intent on a no-deal Brexit's only concern is to lash out at people who wish to remain, it's why the only thing you've heard from them since 2016 is 'remoaner this, remoaner that!'. They want to focus on 'defeating the enemy' because I think deep down they know No deal is a ****ing terrible idea. That's why they are so intent to make out that all experts that don't share the leaver optimism are inherently wrong. They are deluding themselves more than anyone else.

[The Slim Reaper]

You sadly assume too much

We definitely agree on that point. I thought you were a man of character who believes in lawfulness, and you've just undone that across the last 2 pages. You always talk about being tough on crime, and here you are saying it doesn't matter as long as you win.

[The Slim Reaper]

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All perfectly normal, nothing to see here.

[bots]

Gove just like Boris was a journalist. It is not a profession known for respecting law

[arista]

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No Fella
its only a extra 5 Days
you are over the top.

[arista]

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[smudgie]

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Could be good advice now.
Back to buying loo rolls in bulk.:hehe:

[Kizzy]

It is both worrying and should be unacceptable.

Setting an even worse worrying precedent, no matter what make up of government is in power.

So is this what a leave vote meant as to take power back.
To hand it to one extreme grouping over all others.

I knew it would come to this I could have said we'd be in this exact situation 3yrs ago. This is happening whether we want it to or not now.

[Alf]

Why? what makes you think that we in the EU would bow down or negotiate with an unelected induiviual ?He might command alot of power in the Uk..he is irrelavent to us.

Those who voted Brexit often complain that the MEP's are unelected...then move on to say Cummings will sort them out??Who's all this we and us?

[Kizzy]

The Speaker of the House
is Corrupt
he is not impartial.

He follows the law to the letter, how can you say he is more corrupt than a minister who refuses to say he will abide by laws at all?

[Alf]

Great. Now can you answer the question that I asked?Who do you think you are? Paxman?

[Alf]

How are the losing side today? you sound very ratty as usual.

[Kizzy]

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All perfectly normal, nothing to see here.

Yep the new world order steps up its game, remember when Trump wanted to buy Greenland as a strategic base. .. how strategic would it be if someone bought England as a base, smack in the heart of Europe.
:/

[Alf]

Yep the new world order steps up its game, remember when Trump wanted to buy Greenland as a strategic base. .. how strategic would it be if someone bought England as a base, smack in the heart of Europe.
:/Can't you keep your fantasies to yourself?

[Twosugars]

Can't you keep your fantasies to yourself?

Can't you stop telling people what to do?

[The Slim Reaper]

How are the losing side today? you sound very ratty as usual.

When you're so deluded, you think voting to lose makes you a winner.

[Alf]

When you're so deluded, you think voting to lose makes you a winner.Didn't vote lose though did I? The one I voted did win, didn't it?

Or are you the delusional one?

[Tom4784]

The Speaker of the House
is Corrupt
he is not impartial.

Let me fix that for you.

'The Speaker of the House
is Corrupt
he is not doing what I want him to do.'

[Alf]

Can't you stop telling people what to do?Asking a question isn't telling people what to do. You should sue the people who educated you.

[Alf]

Let's have a sing song and try and cheer you all up.

[Tom4784]

Didn't vote lose though did I? The one I voted did win, didn't it?

Or are you the delusional one?

You cut off your nose to spite your face, it's quite sad. You don't care about anything other than 'winning' and you certainly don't care about the issues, only that you're on the 'winning' side. Childish, tbh.

[Alf]

I don't wanna talk, about things we've gone through
Though it's hurting me, now it's history

[Alf]

You cut off your nose to spite your face, it's quite sad. You don't care about anything other than 'winning' and you certainly don't care about the issues, only that you're on the 'winning' side. Childish, tbh.What issues?

[Tom4784]

What issues?

The issues involving Brexit and the consequences of a no deal brexit. You're ignoring them by screeching 'FAKE NEWS!' at the very real likelihoods that we'll all face.

You only care about 'owning the remoaners' and 'winning'. I don't really believe you know much about anything when it comes to consequences and the fallout of a poorly done brexit. If you did, you would be like all the other sensible brexiters that want to leave but want to remove no deal as a possibility.

People who are determined to rush us out of the EU do not care about this country because they are willing to **** over everyone and themselves for a sense of victory.

[Alf]

The issues involving Brexit and the consequences of a no deal brexit. You're ignoring them by screeching 'FAKE NEWS!' at the very real likelihoods that we'll all face.

You only care about 'owning the remoaners' and 'winning'. I don't really believe you know much about anything when it comes to consequences and the fallout of a poorly done brexit. If you did, you would be like all the other sensible brexiters that want to leave but want to remove no deal as a possibility.

People who are determined to rush us out of the EU do not care about this country because they are willing to **** over everyone and themselves for a sense of victory.If the EU want to offer us a deal that is good for us, then there will be no need for no deal. Why should we be the submissive one's in the negotiations?

[Twosugars]

Yep the new world order steps up its game, remember when Trump wanted to buy Greenland as a strategic base. .. how strategic would it be if someone bought England as a base, smack in the heart of Europe.
:/

No need to buy. England is already doing the bidding of trump and putin

All it took was transferring some money to Aaron Banks's account.

[Twosugars]

The puppets will jeer and whoop with joy they're sticking it to the EU, while the real puppet-masters will look on and smile.

[arista]

Let me fix that for you.

'The Speaker of the House
is Corrupt
he is not doing what I want him to do.'



No Dezzy
He is not meant to take any sides

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

No Dezzy
He is not meant to take any sides

No he is not meant to take sides.

However his main duty is to control proceedings and ensure all voices are heard in parliament, as to all sides.
Ensuring parliament does not only debate but scrutinise too.

Which is what he is doing.

I think he could even be stronger.
The government should be glad they don't have to deal with Betty Boothroyd.

She'd have took no nonsense from any PM setting out to silence opposing views from MPs.

[Nicky91]

If the EU want to offer us a deal that is good for us, then there will be no need for no deal. Why should we be the submissive one's in the negotiations?

now why should the EU even offer you guys a deal now, with those brexit party loyalists scolding the EU for many nasty things with their ''we don't know the EU'' ''we don't trust the EU'' ''EU doesn't respect us''

we rather have you gone, if it was up to me sooner than 31st of october, shame EU can't just kick you guys out, there already is a valid reason to do so, the trolling of Farage and goons in european parliament which was absolutely disgusting to see

[Alf]

now why should the EU even offer you guys a deal now, with those brexit party loyalists scolding the EU for many nasty things with their ''we don't know the EU'' ''we don't trust the EU'' ''EU doesn't respect us''

we rather have you gone, if it was up to me sooner than 31st of october, shame EU can't just kick you guys out, there already is a valid reason to do so, the trolling of Farage and goons in european parliament which was absolutely disgusting to seeYou Dutch have been smoking too much skunk.

[Nicky91]

You Dutch have been smoking too much skunk.

yet we have better politicians, better parliament rather than this british chaotic mess

[Alf]

yet we have better politicians, better parliament rather than this british chaotic messWe have a better Strictly come dancing than you.

[Nicky91]

We have a better Strictly come dancing than you.

that's true :)

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[bots]

I didn't want to leave the EU, and I did want a deal, but its been pretty obvious for a long time that a deal is just not realistic. With parliament split the way it is and with the EU behaving as they are, an acceptable deal is just not possible.

No deal brexit should have been the option on the referendum, because nothing else was ever going to be feasible

Given that, we really are down to 2 choices. Revoke or brexit with no deal. They can talk all the other options, but none will change a no deal exit. It needs a revoke vote to stop a no deal brexit.

MP's trying to stop a no deal brexit need to be honest.

[arista]

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[Twosugars]

^ caption for the above: the blond clown lying about something again

[Nicky91]

brexit won't be revoked, like that would be bad for democracy since people voted to leave the EU

no deal brexit it is

adieu, sayonara, goodbye and good luck on your new ventures as a independent country :wavey:

[Tom4784]

If the EU want to offer us a deal that is good for us, then there will be no need for no deal. Why should we be the submissive one's in the negotiations?

Again, cutting off your nose to spite your face because you think you're getting one over on the EU when really you're just ****ing yourself over.

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[joeysteele]

It's getting sinister.
He's acting like a dictator.

He and a good number of his present Cabinet voted against their then elected leader Mrs May.
Didn't hear her making these blackmailing ugly threats.

The man is either being advised really worryingly and in the worst way possible.
Or he's a power mad very dangerous unhinged individual.

Is this what he means, in uniting the Country.
As his example with his own Party is to politically blackmail and threaten any or all dissenting voices.

Crikey, he's heading to acting like a communist leader if he keeps this up.

Taking politics to really the lowest of the gutter now.

[AnnieK]

It's getting sinister.
He's acting like a dictator.

He and a good number of his present Cabinet voted against their then elected leader Mrs May.
Didn't hear her making these blackmailing ugly threats.

The man is either being advised really worryingly and in the worst way possible.
Or he's a power mad very dangerous unhinged individual.

Is this what he means, in uniting the Country.
As his example with his own Party is to politically blackmail and threaten any or all dissenting voices.

Crikey, he's heading to acting like a communist leader if he keeps this up.

Taking politics to really the lowest of the gutter now.

He's just a Trump caricature.....suspending Parliament so he gets his own way, threatening to expel members if they disagree with him. The friendly buffoon act is just that, an act. Underneath, he is a scary guy who looks like he will do just about anything to get his way.

Before anyone says we will get through a No Deal Brexit, I don't doubt we will, but at what cost? How will our industries survive? How will our poor who are already struggling manage? Scary and dark times in the history of our country.

[Nicky91]

He's just a Trump caricature.....suspending Parliament so he gets his own way, threatening to expel members if they disagree with him. The friendly buffoon act is just that, an act. Underneath, he is a scary guy who looks like he will do just about anything to get his way.

Before anyone says we will get through a No Deal Brexit, I don't doubt we will, but at what cost? How will our industries survive? How will our poor who are already struggling manage? Scary and dark times in the history of our country.

yes very dark times, and most likely those elite have already secured their companies somewhere overseas to keep them out of trouble after 31st october

it's very sad when a government, parliament do not care about a country's middle class and poor their interests, their views


Brexit could've only worked when everyone agreed to leaving the EU, now it's just a chaotic mess and that was gonna be the end result from the start

[Kazanne]

70% of the government are against Brexit so they are going to try and stop it deal or no deal,its not rocket science to see that they don't like the way the vote went, Democracy was destroyed when the government didn't follow the democratic vote of the people,and are we saying IF the EU fell apart tomorrow we could not survive without them ? No amount of falling out or name calling will change anything, what will happen will happen and either way we will deal with it as best we can.

[bots]

this is a critical week. The course that Boris is on now could mean we never see another GE. If they are prepared to throw MP's out their party and then ignore democratic votes within the HoC, our democracy has gone.

Some may say that's alarmist, i'm not so sure now.

[arista]

70% of the government are against Brexit so they are going to try and stop it deal or no deal,its not rocket science to see that they don't like the way the vote went, Democracy was destroyed when the government didn't follow the democratic vote of the people,and are we saying IF the EU fell apart tomorrow we could not survive without them ? No amount of falling out or name calling will change anything, what will happen will happen and either way we will deal with it as best we can.


Yes from Tomorrow
The PM will remove the whip from
the Conservative MP's that do not back him.

Sounds Strict , but its the proper way to be.


https://news.sky.com/story/tory-rebels-who-try-to-block-no-deal-brexit-told-they-will-have-whip-withdrawn-11800021

[joeysteele]

He's just a Trump caricature.....suspending Parliament so he gets his own way, threatening to expel members if they disagree with him. The friendly buffoon act is just that, an act. Underneath, he is a scary guy who looks like he will do just about anything to get his way.

Before anyone says we will get through a No Deal Brexit, I don't doubt we will, but at what cost? How will our industries survive? How will our poor who are already struggling manage? Scary and dark times in the history of our country.

Absolutely.
Yet there's those who actually support this uncertainty.

I guess to them the poor possibly don't matter.

The most powerful part of your post,( your whole post above in my view contains sound and reasoned points), the most powerful words in your post however, is the last few.

Which I wish the decent voters who can see or fear the dangers here, would take on board.
Our livelihoods, success, democracy and even the United Kingdom itself, are being risked for these extreme, hard-line right wing NO DEAL at any costs rabid supporters.

Really worrying it all is.
Also Annie, I have to commend your fearful and reasoned stance on all threads on this brexit issue.

[joeysteele]

Yes from Tomorrow
The PM will remove the whip from
the Conservative MP's that do not back him.

Sounds Strict , but its the proper way to be.


https://news.sky.com/story/tory-rebels-who-try-to-block-no-deal-brexit-told-they-will-have-whip-withdrawn-11800021



It isn't and should never be seen as right.

It isn't right in the Labour Party either where some constituencies are trying to force out dissenting views of sitting MPs.

It's even worse when a Prime Minister advocates such ugly political blackmailing and threatening.
It should be universal condemned and unacceptable in a parliamentary democracy.

[arista]

It isn't and should never be seen as right.

It isn't right in the Labour Party either where some constituencies are trying to force out dissenting views of sitting MPs.

It's even worse when a Prime Minister advocates such ugly political blackmailing and threatening.
It should be universal condemned and unacceptable in a parliamentary democracy.



Yes some Labour MP's
say they fear being removed.



"It's even worse when a Prime Minister advocates such ugly political blackmailing and threatening."


Yes its more Instructions
from Dominic Cummings
via Johnson PM.

[joeysteele]

Yes some Labour MP's
say they fear being removed.



"It's even worse when a Prime Minister advocates such ugly political blackmailing and threatening."


Yes its more Instructions
from Dominic Cummings
via Johnson PM.

Well your last paragraph makes the whole ugly mess even worse and more to be condemned.

[Kazanne]

Yes from Tomorrow
The PM will remove the whip from
the Conservative MP's that do not back him.

Sounds Strict , but its the proper way to be.


https://news.sky.com/story/tory-rebels-who-try-to-block-no-deal-brexit-told-they-will-have-whip-withdrawn-11800021

Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind arista,its a mess but only because the ministers have made it a mess, nothing worth having is easy, we should have just left then maybe we could have still done deals.

[arista]

Well your last paragraph makes the whole ugly mess even worse and more to be condemned.



Yes but the PM's Adviser
does not care about your view
he is storming ahead.

[joeysteele]

Yes but the PM's Adviser
does not care about your view
he is storming ahead.

I don't think it's just my view and I'm surprised you aren't condemning it too.

Very sad and wrong the whole attitude and mess from the PM and his disgraceful advisor/s

[Liam-]

If this was Corbyn that was shutting down government to silence opposition and threatening to fire people if they didn’t get in line and agree with him wholeheartedly, the people supporting this move by Boris would be having kittens, let’s keep the same energy, this is an undemocratic political move being made by a egotistical dictator in training, but no, let’s be scared of the nasty man who wants to make it easier for people to not have to rely on food banks.

[user104658]

this is a critical week. The course that Boris is on now could mean we never see another GE. If they are prepared to throw MP's out their party and then ignore democratic votes within the HoC, our democracy has gone.

Some may say that's alarmist, i'm not so sure now.

I agree. The way democracy works in this country, is (supposed to be) that we vote for the MPs who best represent our wishes and they then represent those wishes at parliament. If those above them can simply say "No, do as you're told or you're out"... then that entire system is revealed to be an absolute sham. "Sure you can vote for someone who represents your views, but if those views don't align with the front line, then tough."

Then again, maybe it always was this way. A joke. It's just so very clear now.

[Cherie]

this is a critical week. The course that Boris is on now could mean we never see another GE. If they are prepared to throw MP's out their party and then ignore democratic votes within the HoC, our democracy has gone.

Some may say that's alarmist, i'm not so sure now.

If this was Corbyn that was shutting down government to silence opposition and threatening to fire people if they didn’t get in line and agree with him wholeheartedly, the people supporting this move by Boris would be having kittens, let’s keep the same energy, this is an undemocratic political move being made by a egotistical dictator in training, but no, let’s be scared of the nasty man who wants to make it easier for people to not have to rely on food banks.

I agree. The way democracy works in this country, is (supposed to be) that we vote for the MPs who best represent our wishes and they then represent those wishes at parliament. If those above them can simply say "No, do as you're told or you're out"... then that entire system is revealed to be an absolute sham. "Sure you can vote for someone who represents your views, but if those views don't align with the front line, then tough."

Then again, maybe it always was this way. A joke. It's just so very clear now.

scary times, the irony is saying that the EU are dictators, if the government go down this track of ousting anyone with a dissenting voice, then we will really be living in a dictatorship

are leavers really happy with that? you can elect an MP to represent your wishes but if they don't tally with the PMs view they are out?

I know you are probably happy with that now because it suits you, but what about when it comes to an issue that it doesn't suit, will you be equally happy then?

[arista]

I don't think it's just my view and I'm surprised you aren't condemning it too.

Very sad and wrong the whole attitude and mess from the PM and his disgraceful advisor/s



I understand Do or Die
Brexit 31st October 2019.

[Niamh.]

scary times, the irony is saying that the EU are dictators, if the government go down this track of ousting anyone with a dissenting voice, then we will really be living in a dictatorship

are leavers really happy with that? you can elect an MP to represent your wishes but if they don't tally with the PMs view they are out?

I know you are probably happy with that now because it suits you, but what about when it comes to an issue that it doesn't suit, will you be equally happy then?

Really happy that my daughter decided against going to NI for University, I would be terrified about her being up there now, things aren't going to go well :skull:

[joeysteele]

If this was Corbyn that was shutting down government to silence opposition and threatening to fire people if they didn’t get in line and agree with him wholeheartedly, the people supporting this move by Boris would be having kittens, let’s keep the same energy, this is an undemocratic political move being made by a egotistical dictator in training, but no, let’s be scared of the nasty man who wants to make it easier for people to not have to rely on food banks.


Strong points.

It's indefensible in my view completely.

[Cherie]

Really happy that my daughter decided against going to NI for University, I would be terrified about her being up there now, things aren't going to go well :skull:

Yep I bet you are, it's just too risky now

[Cherie]

Can anyone tell me where Caroline Lucas and Jo Swinston the leaders of the so called remain parties are? not heard a peep out of either of them

apart from Caroline's doomed all female cross party anti Brexit group :facepalm:

[Tom4784]

He's just a Trump caricature.....suspending Parliament so he gets his own way, threatening to expel members if they disagree with him. The friendly buffoon act is just that, an act. Underneath, he is a scary guy who looks like he will do just about anything to get his way.

Before anyone says we will get through a No Deal Brexit, I don't doubt we will, but at what cost? How will our industries survive? How will our poor who are already struggling manage? Scary and dark times in the history of our country.

People who want no deal don't care about that, they just want to feel like they've won at any cost. I'm pretty sure those people could end up depending on food banks and living at a homeless shelter as a result of the financial upset that's upon us but they'll still think 'At least we beat the remainers!!!!'

People like that can't be reasoned with. They'll destroy themselves for a taste so perceived victory and reject reality if it doesn't tell them what they want to hear.

[Tom4784]

If this was Corbyn that was shutting down government to silence opposition and threatening to fire people if they didn’t get in line and agree with him wholeheartedly, the people supporting this move by Boris would be having kittens, let’s keep the same energy, this is an undemocratic political move being made by a egotistical dictator in training, but no, let’s be scared of the nasty man who wants to make it easier for people to not have to rely on food banks.

I think the no-deal base have shown themselves to be utter hypocrites over this. Hopefully enough of the more rational members of the Brexit side who can see how ****ed up no deal will be will let their voices be heard too. No deal must be taken off the table.

[bots]

Can anyone tell me where Caroline Lucas and Jo Swinston the leaders of the so called remain parties are? not heard a peep out of either of them

apart from Caroline's doomed all female cross party anti Brexit group :facepalm:

If there was a GE called, i couldn't in good conscience vote for any of them. I just don't trust them

[Twosugars]

I understand Do or Die
Brexit 31st October 2019.

Dont be absurd, this is not the war, you're not facing hitler. Such rhetoric is childish

[The Slim Reaper]

Dont be absurd, this is not the war, you're not facing hitler. Such rhetoric is childish

I want to hurt my neighbours, and I want to do it now.

[MTVN]

1168496200519245827

[Niamh.]

Dont be absurd, this is not the war, you're not facing hitler. Such rhetoric is childish

Not yet............

[Twosugars]

Not yet............

At least it is now very clear how dangerously ideological brexit project really is. Sad times.
How low this country has fallen. What happen to the common sense Britain?

[Niamh.]

At least it is now very clear how dangerously ideological brexit project really is. Sad times.
How low this country has fallen. What happen to the common sense Britain?

It is sad times, it really is, I'm so worried for Ireland and NI, things had come such a long and positive way since the GFA, I really hope it's not going to go back to those dark times. It's scary and so so disappointing

[Tom4784]

People are more concerned with 'winning' than considering the damage that they are begging for.

[Niamh.]

People are more concerned with 'winning' than considering the damage that they are begging for.

It's just Ireland though so who cares, eh? :shrug:

[Tom4784]

It's just Ireland though so who cares, eh? :shrug:

But we need to leave RIGHT NOW!!!!!

[The Slim Reaper]

It's just Ireland though so who cares, eh? :shrug:

To be fair to no-dealers though, Niamh, they don't give a crap about anybody so it's not specific to the Irish.

[Tom4784]

To be fair to no-dealers though, Niamh, they don't give a crap about anybody so it's not specific to the Irish.

If they can't bring themselves to care about themselves and their children's futures, they won't care about anything or anyone else.

The world won't end in fire or ice, it'll end in wilful ignorance and stupidity.

[Niamh.]

To be fair to no-dealers though, Niamh, they don't give a crap about anybody so it's not specific to the Irish.

mmm I can't believe though that the Northern Irish issue wasn't even discussed prior to the referendum, the whole thing is just so messy and ill thought through

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/live-boris-johnson-cancels-meeting-with-tory-brexit-rebels-11800419


[PM calls cabinet meeting as Tory chairman refuses to rule out election ]

13:38

[Tory party chairman refuses to rule
out calling an election
Asked if he can "categorically" discount
the prospect of the government calling
a general election, James Cleverly refuses
to do so three times.
"We've been completely clear,
we want to deliver Brexit on 31 October
and we also want to deliver on
the announcements that the prime minister
has been making in the last couple
of weeks," he says.
"We want time in government to do
what people have asked us to do.
The more money for the NHS,
more police officers and
the extra money
going into schools.
"That's what we want to do,
that's what we're focused on
doing and I would encourage everybody
to help us deliver that."
Pressed again, he responds:
"We're hearing people suggest
all kinds of things that they could
try and do, constitutional shenanigans
to try and prevent the government
delivering its agenda.
"We want to get on governing for the
British people. Getting us out of
the EU by 31 October and delivering
on those domestic promises that we've made.
"That's what we're focused on doing."]

[Tom4784]

mmm I can't believe though that the Northern Irish issue wasn't even discussed prior to the referendum, the whole thing is just so messy and ill thought through

Brexiters didn't think they were going to win, in the days leading up to the vote they were already preparing their sour grapes and excuses of how the vote was rigged against them and then they won and the people in charge of the Brexit campaign ran to the ****ing hill.

The whole Brexit movement was a PR stunt that went too far when it comes to the politicians involved. There was no serious though put into any of it.

[Niamh.]

Brexiters didn't think they were going to win, in the days leading up to the vote they were already preparing their sour grapes and excuses of how the vote was rigged against them and then they won and the people in charge of the Brexit campaign ran to the ****ing hill.

The whole Brexit movement was a PR stunt that went too far when it comes to the politicians involved. There was no serious though put into any of it.

It certainly seems that way. So negligent and anti what they're pretending to stand for - the best interest of your country

[The Slim Reaper]

The desperation in getting this done now is the new EU tax policy from 1/1/20 which forces people to make their money visible so they can't hide it from the tax man. JRM in particular will take a massive hit on his money from this.

[The Slim Reaper]

Folks need to read all of this tweet thread, not just this tweet

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[Ammi]

...this is all because of the higher earner’s tax and to make the rich, richer..?...that’s what it’s all about, dividing and destroying the country ...ruining the lives of some people and placing people into more poverty...for personal gain...to protect their capital..?...

[Twosugars]

I've always thought this was about money of a certain elite.
And there will be no less immigration, bc it is what big business want.
All those sad ****ers who thought they'd get immigrants out are in for a big disappointment

[Twosugars]

They cleverly harnessed dislike of immigration and some delusions about Britannia ruling the waves and here we are.
I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad

[Niamh.]

I've always thought this was about money of a certain elite.
And there will be no less immigration, bc it is what big business want.
All those sad ****ers who thought they'd get immigrants out are in for a big disappointment

I remember years ago when I lived in London for a bit, there was a news reporter doing a piece on immigration (the pub I worked in was across the road from ITV studio) and there was 1 English woman working in the bar and they asked her how she felt about immigration, she turned to us all, her workmates and said "No offence" then went on to tell the reporter how it should be english jobs for english people blah blah............. I wouldn't mind but my manager said that it was so so rare for him to get any english applicants at all ever when he advertised jobs in the bar

[Twosugars]

Britain will never have as good a position as being a part of the powerful block like the EU.
Instead it will become a playground of competing interests of more powerful partners.
Most likely they will end up turning the country into a tax haven of sorts.

[Ammi]

...it’s sad because so many people wanted to buy what they were selling...that’s how far we’ve come ...everything that’s been there in place to protect the common people is being stripped away now...and for a few dollars more for the elite..?...