Boris has asked the Queen to suspend Parliment, The Queen has now approved

[Strictly Jake]

I hate politics and I'm pretty unknowledgeable about it

However what I do know is that all of Parliament have a responsibility to provide an answer for the citizens of Britain

It's ok for them with their cushy lifestyles their fancy houses and their fancy cars

But what about the rest of us? What impact will brexit have?

Because the thought of new laws being brought in that seem to allow yet another extension to the deadline is wrong

They think the longer they hold it off the better

But do they not realise the impact its already having. I work at a university and they are cutting peoples jobs, they are decreasing our hours, our pay and our holidays as they are not sure when brexit does come into play what impact this will have on money coming into the university in regards to international students

Brexit might not even affect international students but it might so my work are putting the preparation in for it which is having an effect right NOW not having an effect whenever they want to extend the deadline to

The longer the deadline is extended the more uncertainty there is for people and their careers, soon there will have to be cutbacks on health care on the NHS etc

So yes they may all fart around with the whole idiotic ideas of I's to the left and no's to the right

But they were put into their positions for a reason they wanted to be there it is their job it is their responsibility so they need to pull their finger out of their arse and bloody get a shape on!

[Strictly Jake]

Aside from the parliament can someone tell me what the role of the the Royal family are in making these sorts of decisions too? They just seem to be glorified celebrities going around waving and shaking hands with people and the queen just seems like a posh old lady going around in a car waving at people, that's what my nana does so are they dealing with the situation in any way?

[Toy Soldier]

Aside from the parliament can someone tell me what the role of the the Royal family are in making these sorts of decisions too?

They have no say in it, in fact less than the average Joe because they're supposed to "stay politically neutral".

They just seem to be glorified celebrities going around waving and shaking hands with people and the queen just seems like a posh old lady going around in a car waving at people, that's what my nana does

Pretty much spot on.

so are they dealing with the situation in any way?

No, it's just ceremonial.

[joeysteele]

I, even though I wanted remain.
Can understand the annoyance and frustration of those who say just get it done.

I don't however line up with the view of at any cost.
3 mistakes were made by the PM and government.
One with other Parties support.

That was voting to revoke article 50 too soon.

Then we had a PM who sidelined all other Parties except the DUP.
To negotiate.

Then whipping voting when free votes were a more inclusive way forward.

Once we are out, that is it, even trying to rejoin if the Country wanted to.
Would be really costly and we'd then need to accept the euro too.

So if leaving, at least have the closest and best agreement possible.
Of which no deal, has to be the absolute very worst outcome.

So while delays are frustrating, I would rather have time taken to get as much right as possible.
Take the time now.
Because if chaos does result.
Wishing we had taken more time once out is then way too late.

I'm content to leave but not to rush blindly into more uncertainty and regret.

[arista]

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The Queen
does not get political.
The Courts have a View
Nothing has changed, yet.

[arista]

"Once we are out, that is it, even trying to rejoin if the Country wanted to.
Would be really costly and we'd then need to accept the euro too."

Yes we would be out of the EU
no need to return , Joey.
We can trade
and become a better nation.

[joeysteele]

"Once we are out, that is it, even trying to rejoin if the Country wanted to.
Would be really costly and we'd then need to accept the euro too."

Yes we would be out of the EU
no need to return , Joey.
We can trade
and become a better nation.

If a future population demanded we were again part of the EU.
The political Parties couldn't ignore that.

No matter any election result or even IF a new referendum were held now, even reinforcing the leave vote.

The Nationalist Parties, Greens and particularly the LIb Dems would always be looking for a time to negotiate rejoining.

That is IF there remains such a thing as the United Kingdom or even Great Britain.
As you can't be called either if Scotland ended up voting for independence, after leaving the EU.

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

once out of eu, means forever out of eu Joey

:wavey:

you guys better hope you aren't leaving on a disastrous no deal, otherwise there will be only chaos in britain, and arsehole farage shoving it on ''project fear'' again that nonsense of his, it's just realistic thoughts, chaos and food/medicine shortages after a no deal brexit

[arista]

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Labour Confusions

[Kazanne]

So much confusion going on now,the yellow hammer papers were put together by remainers so they are obviously going to be biased and trying to scare people into wanting to remain, then the leavers are told they are all 'thick' as they don't understand, no wonder the country is split,plus the money we save from giving to the EU can be put to things we need, we can grow our own food,and we need to remember the EU will try anything to put us off leaving,they need us in some ways,as for Boris supposedly lying to The Queen, surely she has several advisors etc who guide her,unless she is 'thick' aswell, when did we all become so scared as people? whatever happens we will get through it like it or not ,Brexit is just a scapegoat for everything now,either way,we will get food,medicine and all the other things people think we wont,everyone panics over the millennium bug which so called experts said would be catastrophic,what happened? nothing.That's my opinion, I dont need berating for it.

[Nicky91]

So much confusion going on now,the yellow hammer papers were put together by remainers so they are obviously going to be biased and trying to scare people into wanting to remain, then the leavers are told they are all 'thick' as they don't understand, no wonder the country is split,plus the money we save from giving to the EU can be put to things we need, we can grow our own food,and we need to remember the EU will try anything to put us off leaving,they need us in some ways,as for Boris supposedly lying to The Queen, surely she has several advisors etc who guide her,unless she is 'thick' aswell, when did we all become so scared as people? whatever happens we will get through it like it or not ,Brexit is just a scapegoat for everything now,either way,we will get food,medicine and all the other things people think we wont,everyone panics over the millennium bug which so called experts said would be catastrophic,what happened? nothing.That's my opinion, I dont need berating for it.

both FDA and EMA have left britain for amsterdam, and these were your food and medicine administrations

but if a miracle happens and you guys can create your own medicine, well then there is no need for panic, but as i said it would take a huge miracle to do so

growing own food gets more difficult each year, with the ongoing changing climate

[Kazanne]

both FDA and EMA have left britain for amsterdam, and these were your food and medicine administrations

but if a miracle happens and you guys can create your own medicine, well then there is no need for panic, but as i said it would take a huge miracle to do so

growing own food gets more difficult each year, with the ongoing changing climate

The EU is not the only place we can get medicines:laugh: there are solutions to everything,we havent always been in the EU and we are still here

[The Slim Reaper]

So much confusion going on now,the yellow hammer papers were put together by remainers so they are obviously going to be biased and trying to scare people into wanting to remain, then the leavers are told they are all 'thick' as they don't understand, no wonder the country is split,plus the money we save from giving to the EU can be put to things we need, we can grow our own food,and we need to remember the EU will try anything to put us off leaving,they need us in some ways,as for Boris supposedly lying to The Queen, surely she has several advisors etc who guide her,unless she is 'thick' aswell, when did we all become so scared as people? whatever happens we will get through it like it or not ,Brexit is just a scapegoat for everything now,either way,we will get food,medicine and all the other things people think we wont,everyone panics over the millennium bug which so called experts said would be catastrophic,what happened? nothing.That's my opinion, I dont need berating for it.

It wasn't put together by remainers, it was put together by Johnsons cabinet, and not only that, but they doctored this document so it now says it's the worst case scenario, when in fact this is the base scenario. This isn't even the full document as they're still trying to hide even worse stuff from us.

Be pro brexit or anti brexit, but this is a no deal document put together by the people tat are trying to force through a no deal brexit.

[The Slim Reaper]

Parliament never used to be able to prevent an election until the FTPA and afaik pre-Brexit they never took control of the order paper and they were never able to impose policy on the country's elected government before

I was a Remainer and I still kinda wish the ref had never happened but what it did do was make me aware of the level of discontent in the country with the status quo and with 'the establishment'. I think the result should be honoured because people should see that their vote actually meant something. I also think delivering Brexit is what is most likely to allow us to move on from it and let the country 'come back together'. Even though I thought it would be better to Remain I never thought the EU was a particularly noble organisation and a lot of the criticisms about its lack of accountability are true. Being a member of it is not the be all and end all and so the damage that overturning the referendum would do to people's faith in our democracy is not a price worth paying. Sneering at Leave voters and suggesting they were tricked or lied to doesn't address the cause of the result and actually I think a lot of pretty moderate Leave voters have been radicalised by the contempt their vote is treated with which is why so many are now set on no deal.

Is there anything that remainers aren't responsible for? We've been blamed for the fact that we don't believe enough, we've been blamed for the fact we can't get a deal, we've been blamed for trying to stop a no deal, and now you're blaming remain side for radicalising so-called moderates?

I'm not suggesting people were tricked and lied to, it's what the evidence and facts say happened. Placating people to help them continue this charade that the brexit campaign told them accurate truths would be far more egregious and dishonest than levelling with them. You can't blame radicalisation on remainers, because that's ridiculous.

[Nicky91]

The EU is not the only place we can get medicines:laugh: there are solutions to everything,we havent always been in the EU and we are still here

i'm not hoping for any chaos, panic myself, just get this brexit sorted out asap and then onward for you guys making your britain a better nation

leaving with a deal would be good because then you can still maintain some form of trade, also better for the holidays (otherwise with a no deal you guys should also have a eu passport if you want to go on holiday within europe, apart from those countries who aren't in the EU then, the balkan countries mostly)

trade with europe is important, as for import of flowers, wines and our dutch royalties would still want to visit your british royals ofc and vice versa

[Vicky.]

,everyone panics over the millennium bug which so called experts said would be catastrophic,what happened? nothing.
'Nothing' happened as lots of IT experts worked extremely hard to avoid it, and literally billions was put into avoiding issues. Its not possible to both avert a crisis, and have a crisis at the same time really. I never understand tbh, why people say this of this bug, when the huge huge majority of tech experts agree. Mind, I guess we live in a world these days that should ignore experts. I do wonder how that all would have gone down had the reaction just been 'rargh, just ignore it, scaremongering!' as even with the prep and such, there were nuclear reactors shutting down and stuff..

[arista]

So much confusion going on now,the yellow hammer papers were put together by remainers so they are obviously going to be biased and trying to scare people into wanting to remain, then the leavers are told they are all 'thick' as they don't understand, no wonder the country is split,plus the money we save from giving to the EU can be put to things we need, we can grow our own food,and we need to remember the EU will try anything to put us off leaving,they need us in some ways,as for Boris supposedly lying to The Queen, surely she has several advisors etc who guide her,unless she is 'thick' aswell, when did we all become so scared as people? whatever happens we will get through it like it or not ,Brexit is just a scapegoat for everything now,either way,we will get food,medicine and all the other things people think we wont,everyone panics over the millennium bug which so called experts said would be catastrophic,what happened? nothing.That's my opinion, I dont need berating for it.

Yes
We need Medicine Scare Storys
sorted out

[Vicky.]

I hope the medication thing is false, as 2 lots of my prescriptions are on lists that will apparently be short :bored:

[Nicky91]

I hope the medication thing is false, as 2 lots of my prescriptions are on lists that will apparently be short :bored:

well hope britain can find another good administration for medication then

what you say and also to think of there being several elderly who rely on daily medication

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes
We need Medicine Scare Storys
sorted out

Scare stories put together that want to force these through, and this isn't even the worst case, they're holding back.

I'm amazed that yellowhammer hasn't made people pause for a minute about what we're doing here, but I see it's being brushed off as remainer propaganda all over again.

[Vicky.]

Scare stories put together that want to force these through, and this isn't even the worst case, they're holding back.

I'm amazed that yellowhammer hasn't made people pause for a minute about what we're doing here, but I see it's being brushed off as remainer propaganda all over again.

Project fear innit. You know the same project fear that was blasted for saying we might end up with no deal, nooo, that absolutely would not happen in a million years..

And it was project fear that said that the EU absolutely would not bendover backwards to give us what we want like leave campaigners claimed... but it was clearly just remainers trying to scare people :suspect:

[James]

Is there anything that remainers aren't responsible for? We've been blamed for the fact that we don't believe enough, we've been blamed for the fact we can't get get a deal, we've been blamed for trying to stop a no deal, and now you're blaming remain side for radicalising so-called moderates?

I'm not suggesting people were tricked and lied to, it's what the evidence and facts say happened. Placating people to help them continue this charade that the brexit campaign told them accurate truths would be far more egregious and dishonest than levelling with them. You can't blame radicalisation on remainers, because that's ridiculous.

A lot of the problem about the debate, with regards to winning over Leavers, is that most of the arguments used now are about economics, business and trade (which are hugely important issues) but the reasons people voted Leave were more about ideas like sovereignty, borders, community, identity etc. There hasn't been an awfully great effort to change minds on those issues.

That's a problem for the Remainers if they did get another referendum and want to change the result of the last one.

[Kazanne]

It wasn't put together by remainers, it was put together by Johnsons cabinet, and not only that, but they doctored this document so it now says it's the worst case scenario, when in fact this is the base scenario. This isn't even the full document as they're still trying to hide even worse stuff from us.

Be pro brexit or anti brexit, but this is a no deal document put together by the people tat are trying to force through a no deal brexit.

But if it is to force a no deal Brexit Slim,why would Johnson and co try to sabotage it as to leave is what he wants :conf: none of us REALLY know whats going on behind closed doors and wasn't Johnsons cabinet mostly remainers ?:wavey: there are so many media stories floating round it's really hard to believe any of them.

[The Slim Reaper]

Project fear innit. You know the same project fear that was blasted for saying we might end up with no deal, nooo, that absolutely would not happen in a million years..

And it was project fear that said that the EU absolutely would not bendover backwards to give us what we want like leave campaigners claimed... but it was clearly just remainers trying to scare people :suspect:

Leave broke the law and have been proven wrong about everything they said, remain have been proved pretty much correct, and people still believe anything leave are saying now and refuse to believe that yellowhammer is a no deal document put together by Johnsons government.

Yellowhammer should absolutely put a stop to this madness, but yet here we are, folks trying to reason their way around it as scare stories.

[joeysteele]

Project fear innit. You know the same project fear that was blasted for saying we might end up with no deal, nooo, that absolutely would not happen in a million years..

And it was project fear that said that the EU absolutely would not bendover backwards to give us what we want like leave campaigners claimed... but it was clearly just remainers trying to scare people :suspect:

There must surely be loads of sand around some for them to bury their heads in.

Even when confronted with official documents, which this PM, this Cabinet and government did NOT want to publish, and were forced to.
It's still remainers fault and remainers just scaremongering.

If that was really the case this PM and government would have rushed these documents out, not want to keep them hidden.

You honestly couldn't make it up as to how gullible some can be.
I think the UK is heading to be, if not just about there now to being now ungovernable.
A really sad and even scary thought.

[The Slim Reaper]

But if it is to force a no deal Brexit Slim,why would Johnson and co try to sabotage it as to leave is what he wants :conf: none of us REALLY know whats going on behind closed doors and wasn't Johnsons cabinet mostly remainers ?:wavey: there are so mant media stories floating round it's really hard to believe any of them.

The document isn't to force a no deal, the document is to give them a heads up as to what will happen if/when they force a no-deal through. He sabotaged the document (which may be another crime - I'm not sure) to make it look better than their own projections, this is what they expect to happen as a minimum, not a worse case scenario.

No, johnson doesn't have a remain cabinet, and these are government documents to help prepare the country for what happens after a no-deal crash out; whether a remainer or a leaver put them together is irrelevant as they were never made for folks like you or I to see to begin with, so they are not trying to influence a leave or a remain argument.

FOrtunately, documents like this help us see what is actually going on behind closed doors.

This government knows there will be food shortages and price hikes, they know the same with energy and potentially water, they know it will result in medicine shortages, and that the poorest and weakest among us, who've been attacked with austerity for the last decade, will now face another attack.

There are 2 reasons that these people want to inflict such unnecessary pain and harm on its citizenry.

1) Johnsons financial backers have invested £8billion on this scenario

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2) EU tax law changes due to arrive early 2020, that won't allow multimillionaires to hide their money offshore anymore and not pay tax on it.

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[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

A lot of the problem about the debate, with regards to winning over Leavers, is that most of the arguments used now are about economics, business and trade (which are hugely important issues) but the reasons people voted Leave were more about ideas like sovereignty, borders, community, identity etc. There hasn't been an awfully great effort to change minds on those issues.

That's a problem for the Remainers if they did get another referendum and want to change the result of the last one.

If there was another referendum, I don't believe we'd have to convince that many people; the voting habits of the younger generations versus the older generations means that demographically brexit voters are dying out faster than remain voters, so there's probably already enough happened to secure a victory now without saying another word.

Admittedly, that's a foolish approach to rely on, but let me turn this round a little on you. How do you suggest we turn voters that are only dwelling in ideological spaces? The fact I can highlight on here all the lies and the illegality, and the fact that the government is pushing for a no-deal, they themselves know will harm a huge number of the population, and yet people aren't re-examining exactly what they believe in. They'll make excuses, they'll bargain with themselves that it's more project fear, they'll say they didn't even believe anything the leave campaign said to begin with.

The forum gives us a really good and varied overview that can be extrapolated across the UK. Anyone still believing in the outcomes that brexit can provide are almost unreachable at this stage, because evidence is irrelevant.

You're right though, it's a really difficult issue to convince people who wrongly believe we have no sovereignty, and that parliament has too much power at the same time.

[The Slim Reaper]

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I'm not equating brexit with nazi's, but the nazi's didn't put tanks on the street to force a coup either. This guy is obviously not much of a reader.

[Twosugars]

A lot of the problem about the debate, with regards to winning over Leavers, is that most of the arguments used now are about economics, business and trade (which are hugely important issues) but the reasons people voted Leave were more about ideas like sovereignty, borders, community, identity etc. There hasn't been an awfully great effort to change minds on those issues.

That's a problem for the Remainers if they did get another referendum and want to change the result of the last one.

Good luck with that when immigration will continue just from further afield :laugh:
These slogans were used only to get the result they wanted.
We've seen how much respect the government shows to the sovereign parliament.

[arista]

I'm not equating brexit with nazi's, but the nazi's didn't put tanks on the street to force a coup either. This guy is obviously not much of a reader.


Its a Great Comedy

[Vicky.]

This yellowhammer thing, I didnt really read much about as sick of Brexit ****..but is this the same thing..or another document?

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_ CDL.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2AbnSyiOvbQd8BxaTWMPzw7Lii5EdWT 9MK0mo56w-ATDu6v1JqL5F5v0g

I know that says worst case scenario, and people were talking about best case though, so this might be totally different. Either way, that these things are even slightly possible is terrifying to be quite honest. I really need to go back to not reading about Brexit stuff, depresses the hell out of me..there has to be a better way to do this

[Withano]

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Lol. She’s made the top ten before with a **** Theresa song

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[The Slim Reaper]

This yellowhammer thing, I didnt really read much about as sick of Brexit ****..but is this the same thing..or another document?

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_ CDL.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2AbnSyiOvbQd8BxaTWMPzw7Lii5EdWT 9MK0mo56w-ATDu6v1JqL5F5v0g

I know that says worst case scenario, and people were talking about best case though, so this might be totally different. Either way, that these things are even slightly possible is terrifying to be quite honest. I really need to go back to not reading about Brexit stuff, depresses the hell out of me..there has to be a better way to do this

That's the one. The document leaked a week or so ago said it was the base scenario - meaning that's what they would expect to happen. They've doctored the released one from yesterday to say worst case, so they're trying to alter perceptions with more dishonesty. The released version also leaves out some stuff, and is generally shorter, which shows they're aware of more stuff that they definitely don't even want to be made known.

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Yes Owen
they may vote Brexit Party
new MP's

[Twosugars]

Somebody on the Guardian discussion boards went into much trouble to compile this list of bojo's accomplishments
Enjoy



1. Sacked for making up a quote x3
2. Sacked for lying about an affair
3. Discussed having a journalist beaten up.
4. Endangered a British mum jailed in Iran and forced in parliament to apologise.
5. Called black people 'piccannies'.
6. Mocked Muslim women as 'letterboxes'.
7. Used racist terms to describe Barack Obama.
8. When he propagated the £350m-a-week Brexit lie.
9. Said Turkey was joining the EU - then lied about it.
10. Repeatedly ignored conflict-of-interest rules x 3 in one year!
11. Blew millions on his Garden Bridge ‘vanity project. YOU now meet this cost.
12. Wasted £300,000 on illegal water cannon.
13. Expensive buses became a ‘saunas on wheels’.
14. When he had a blazing row with his partner in her flat. "Get off me". Who the hell would want to work underneath this oaf?
15. When we didn’t know how many children he has (and still don’t).
16. Called gay men 'tank-topped bum boys'.
17. Made a glib remark about ‘dead bodies' in Libya - clear up and turn in to holiday destination.
18. He recited a colonial-era poem in Myanmar.
19. Boasted about whisky in a Sikh temple. Note he was happy to wear a turban. An orange one too. I bet he did not even know the significance of the colour - wisdom and wasted on the buffoon.
20. Wrote a dirty limerick about Turkey’s President and a goat.
21. Insulted the entire city of Liverpool.
22. Insulted the entire country of Papua New Guinea.
23. Said Africa needs its old Colonial powers to come back.
24. Claimed money probing child abuse was 'spaffed up a wall'.
25. Tried to dodge questions over using cocaine.
26. He ‘made up’ a story about small Italian penises.
27. Enraged Italy with a threat about Prosecco.
28. When he called the French ‘turds’ who ‘shafted Britain’.
29. Compared the EU to Adolf Hitler.
30. He proclaimed ‘******* business’.
31. When he allegedly said ‘******* the families’ of the 7/7 bombings.
32. Derailed a visit to the Middle East creating a diplomatic storm.
33. Branded Hillary Clinton a ‘sadistic mental health nurse’.
34. Cosied up to a President he called ‘unfit to rule’. And there are two of them!
35. Refused to back our Ambassador to the US and focused on MUKSA - Making the UK Sink Again.
36. Took a £20,000 flight to avoid scrutiny on Heathrow Airport. What a cheat and yellow chicken.
37. Branded his £250k-a-year pocket money ‘chicken feed’.
And finally… when he summed up why all this helps him stay in power: Twattish twatological twattishpheric twatterdom!
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/37-lies-gaffes-scandals-make-18558695#comments-section

38. The estuary airport: est£10m. The cableway: est £24m. Olympic Stadium: est £230m. The ‘new’ Crystal Palace: £4.5m.
39. Insulting the low-paid of London - people will struggle to get on in life because of their low IQs.
40. Advocated leaving the EU but to build a channel bridge to remain connected.
41. Idea for the Backstop was to build a bridge linking UK to Ireland. No joke!
42. January 2018, said the pledge of £350m a week was “grossly underestimated”, claiming that leaving the EU would free up £438m for the health service.
43. Peddled absurd EU myths – and the MSM followed his lead.
44. As Foreign Secretary, his 2015 visit to Palestine cut short due to his pro-Israel remarks.
45. Offended the people of Papua New Guinea by calling them cannibals. He was FS!
46. Described Black American basketball players as having "arms hanging below their knees and tongues sticking out".
47. The day before appearing as advocate against FGM, mocked the “obsession” of women aid workers ending FGM. Now illegal in UK.
48. Cost taxpayers est. £323 million with bungled Olympic Stadium conversion.
49. Johnson argued that London’s soaring property prices are “the right problem to have” after advocating affordable homes.
50. Told EU leaders to, "go whistle" over divorce Bill.
51. Johnson suggested Labour politician to “get stuffed” for daring to ask about cuts to the London Fire Service. On his watch too!
52. Called for Scottish people to be blocked from becoming prime minister because "government by a Scot is just not conceivable."
53. Sacked 21 Tory MPs because Cummings told him to do it.
54. Making history to becoming the shortest serving PM.
55. Lost every debate and vote.
56. The pièces de résistance – ‘A tribute to The Johnson’, by Martin Rowson:
https://martinrowson.wordpress.com/2017/10/02/as-i-please-column-for-tribune-5th-october-2017-on-boris-johnson

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[The Slim Reaper]

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That's a provable lie. This document was leaked as a base scenario just over a week ago, as has already been discussed on the previous couple of pages.

[arista]

That's a provable lie. This document was leaked as a base scenario just over a week ago, as has already been discussed on the previous couple of pages.



Its his view

[Tom4784]

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God, the smell of bull**** is overwhelming.

[The Slim Reaper]

Its his view

A statement is either true or false, you don't get to have a view on it.

The original leaked yellowhammer document had a date of 29th August, 2019 attached to it. Does he have a view on time travel, too?

[Nicky91]

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Yes Owen
they may vote Brexit Party
new MP's

which would be a even bigger disaster than Boris, with the dictator Farage in power

or in farage's words what i heard this morning ''a utterly utterly disaster''

[arista]

A statement is either true or false, you don't get to have a view on it.

The original leaked yellowhammer document had a date of 29th August, 2019 attached to it. Does he have a view on time travel, too?



No he is
the PM

[arista]

which would be a even bigger disaster than Boris, with the dictator Farage in power

or in farage's words what i heard this morning ''a utterly utterly disaster''


He (Johnson) can win the General Election
if he does a deal with the Brexit Party.


Owens Tweet skips the Fact
that the Labour Leave Voters
up to 5million of them , are in the Brexit Party now,
he should mention them
instead he just says they will not vote Conservative.

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[bots]

the government is on pretty shaky ground if they claim to be publishing the worst case. We all know things could be a lot worse than stated, and they will be in deep poo if it is shown at a later date that they sugar coated the effects

[Twosugars]

We want to see the black swan report

[arista]

we want to see the black swan report


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[arista]

the government is on pretty shaky ground if they claim to be publishing the worst case. We all know things could be a lot worse than stated, and they will be in deep poo if it is shown at a later date that they sugar coated the effects


Shaky?


There is No Parliament.
The PM is Steaming ahead
A Interview each day.


deep poo is a Marxist Power
Is that what you mean?

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Shaky?


There is No Parliament.
The PM is Steaming ahead
A Interview each day.


deep poo is a Marxist Power
Is that what you mean?

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[bots]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/26xBI73gWquCBBCDe/giphy.gif

:laugh:

[arista]

Jo Maugham , Barrister
has brought another case
Scottish Law
saying if he does not get a Deal
he can not leave on a "No Deal"
thus having to sign the 3 month extension.



He could not do it on English Law.


Ref: BBCnewsHD

[arista]

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[Twosugars]

Not liberal elite :laugh:

[Tom4784]

I'd be dismayed by the fact that people are downplaying a damning report on the likelihood of a catastrophic brexit because they don't want to admit they were wrong but we live in an age in which eradicated illnesses are making a comeback due to morons believing bull**** that they want to hear.

Stupidity is winning.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/803B/production/_108772823_the-times.jpg




https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/1k6sK3G15yh9FXVbwYwBhA/https/media.fyre.co/TZiXoKJESvmzIWH7RToW_the-times-13-09-19-pg-1_1568322930_001.png
A larger Front Page same paper

[joeysteele]

The DUP.
One of the barriers to anything good.

Looking to bend now that their influence in Parliament is diminished.
Since Johnson put himself into a greater minority status.

We hear a fair bit on 'thinking' but next to nothing on 'doing'
As to new plans to replace the backstop.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EER9YKuXUAAFUW8?format=jpg&name=small

[Niamh.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/803B/production/_108772823_the-times.jpg




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A larger Front Page same paper

Apparently that isn't true at all, heard someone from the DUP on the news this morning saying that they were in no way shifting their demands on no sea border

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49683979

[Vicky.]

Again, not been following it all that much, but surely a sea border would not work anyway, and is..pointless?!

[Niamh.]

Again, not been following it all that much, but surely a sea border would not work anyway, and is..pointless?!

A Sea border imo is the best way to go if there must be a border, check at ports/airports when you leave/arrive on the Island but this is a stalemate, Unionists don't want it because it separates NI from Britain and Nationalists don't want a land border separating Northern Ireland from the ROI because then you're dividing Ireland. Going with either of these options though has potential to stir up violence again in NI from either "side" depending on which they opt for

[arista]

Apparently that isn't true at all, heard someone from the DUP on the news this morning saying that they were in no way shifting their demands on no sea border

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49683979




Yes the DUP are saying
no to the Times paper report

[Nicky91]

i doubt Northern Ireland wants any violence since their leader Arlene Foster, is a IRA bombing survivor herself

[Vicky.]

A Sea border imo is the best way to go if there must be a border, check at ports/airports when you leave/arrive on the Island but this is a stalemate, Unionists don't want it because it separates NI from Britain and Nationalists don't want a land border separating Northern Ireland from the ROI because then you're dividing Ireland. Going with either of these options though has potential to stir up violence again in NI from either "side" depending on which they opt for

Ah. So its a 'we will piss someone off either way' thing. Great :bored: So much good coming from this brexit thing eh...so great for the country!

[Niamh.]

i doubt Northern Ireland wants any violence since their leader Arlene Foster, is a IRA bombing survivor herself

I'm sure most people in NI don't want any more violence, of course they don't, that doesn't mean that it won't happen though :shrug:

[Vicky.]

Well quite, it doesn't really take being a victim of a bombing previously, to not want to be bombed.

[Niamh.]

Ah. So its a 'we will piss someone off either way' thing. Great :bored: So much good coming from this brexit thing eh...so great for the country!

Yeah pretty much, no wonder NI voted to remain eh? It was never even a consideration when all the referendum campaigning was going on and it's arguably the biggest issue in the whole thing when it comes to getting a deal. Not sure it would have changed the vote even if it had because the attitudes I've seen don't seem to give much of a **** about the Irish anyway

[arista]

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[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Another non story then from The Times this time.
I have to say the DUP are rarely likely to move on stances they take.

Albeit most of their stances are of only a negative stance, just about across the board really.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

The PM is live in Rotherham

A heckler said "why are you not in Parliament"?

[Twosugars]

All those visits look like they were booked when the clown still thought he'd get an election :laugh:

[arista]

One local reporter
Sheffield said they need funds for the Arts

The PM , alas
said he does not think there is any money for Sheffield?
but he will study any plans,

[arista]

All those visits look like they were booked when the clown still thought he'd get an election :laugh:



Yes not till next month
they are saying

[Twosugars]

Yes not till next month
they are saying

No chance before 31.10

[arista]

On Monday
Johnson PM visits Luxembourg
to meet with Junker.

[arista]

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The Heckler today

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEWaC1OXkAEsuH9?format=png&name=small

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEWaC1OXkAEsuH9?format=png&name=small

Where's he crawled out from.

Here's a good reason to back remain MPs if he's against them for sure, for me anyway.

[arista]

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It was the Stress of the Vote.


Thursday on BBC1HD 9PM the Cameron Years a 2 parter
all of this to help SELL his book.
The Book meant to come out after we left,
but due to Pathetic Former PM May , she destroyed that hope.


Also 30 mins ITV1HD 8PM Monday Tom Bradby Interviews David Cameron

[Oliver_W]

Smoking dope is hardly a big groundbreaking confession :joker: Like I don't do it but it's in "who cares" territory.

Also I wonder where papers get pictures like that. Is it a publicity shot? Did a photoshop artist for the paper grab a screenshot from a conference or something and artistically black out some of the picture?

[arista]

Smoking dope is hardly a big groundbreaking confession :joker: Like I don't do it but it's in "who cares" territory.

Also I wonder where papers get pictures like that. Is it a publicity shot? Did a photoshop artist for the paper grab a screenshot from a conference or something and artistically black out some of the picture?



Yes as he has a Book out,
The Black backing could be added by the Mirror Paper

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/Oych97wRRjU2PUBwuYxvKA/https/media.fyre.co/M7qt0t5bTESg5L5jtT7B_FinancialTimesSept.jpg


Meanwhile
Johnson PM ready to fast track
any EU Deal he can get through.

[joeysteele]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/Oych97wRRjU2PUBwuYxvKA/https/media.fyre.co/M7qt0t5bTESg5L5jtT7B_FinancialTimesSept.jpg


Meanwhile
Johnson PM ready to fast track
any EU Deal he can get through.

Fast tracking anything through for him will need to be a really good deal indeed that he can magic up in around 6 weeks.
On brexit even with the bigoted DUPs votes he's in a heavy minus scenario in Parliament.

Unless he dares put it in a referendum to the voters again first.
An election too risky, even on current polling, he'd still fall short likely of an overall majority.
Even if the polling could be believed.

It's near amazing looking at the mess in parliament, brought about by the dismal failure of Mrs May to really be the Statesperson and bring all together on brexit.
It's amazing most of those ,17+ million voters, likely voted to return more power now to MPs in parliament.

MPs and governments of both Parties, who all through are responsible for signing treaties and forming the EU as it is anyway over the decades.

Then they blame the EU, not those PMs and governments empowered by most of their votes since the 80s.
.

[arista]

A Election is Next,
Johnson does not have enough MP's
he has no choice (even if its a risky he could not win).

The Blame is all on the Former PM May.

[arista]

1172777204578750464
a year or so ago.

Yes its Cameron on Every Paper Today

[arista]

For Two Sugars

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEaSaXOXYAAmBfG?format=jpg&name=small


https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1172547008592146432/TG8AN3-6?format=jpg&name=small
Back in the Days when Johnson way Mayor of London.

[Vicky.]

A Election is Next,
Johnson does not have enough MP's
he has no choice (even if its a risky he could not win).

The Blame is all on the Former PM May.

I would say the blames on Boris for being..Boris. Rather than blaming May. I know she was crap at her job, but I don't see why people are blaming the state of things today on her, she did try to sort it, she was just blocked at every turn. I cannot believe I am posting stcking up for May..:laugh:

I have also always doubted that she called the last election because of vanity, because she thought she would sweep the floor...fairly sure the order came from above. Same as 'her decision' to stay on after the dreadful results, when she was clearly not happy in doing so. She was the scapegoat, and Boris is now I think. I don't believe PMs have the amount of power they make out they do..

[Twosugars]

Dominic Cummings has developed a somewhat unsavoury reputation since taking over as Boris Johnson’s senior aide. But his nefarious influence over the machinations of No 10 stretches back much further, David Cameron claims in his forthcoming memoir
The Guardian

Cameron confirms Cummings is an evil ****

[bots]

A Election is Next,
Johnson does not have enough MP's
he has no choice (even if its a risky he could not win).

The Blame is all on the Former PM May.

Boris is entirely responsible for throwing his own MP's out of the party and reducing his numbers. Nothing to do with May

[arista]

Boris is entirely responsible for throwing his own MP's out of the party and reducing his numbers. Nothing to do with May


Yes That's Correct
but not leaving on time was the Former PM's
bugger up.



General Election Is Next

[arista]

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[arista]

I would say the blames on Boris for being..Boris. Rather than blaming May. I know she was crap at her job, but I don't see why people are blaming the state of things today on her, she did try to sort it, she was just blocked at every turn. I cannot believe I am posting stcking up for May..:laugh:

I have also always doubted that she called the last election because of vanity, because she thought she would sweep the floor...fairly sure the order came from above. Same as 'her decision' to stay on after the dreadful results, when she was clearly not happy in doing so. She was the scapegoat, and Boris is now I think. I don't believe PMs have the amount of power they make out they do..




3 Buggering Years
PM MAY buggered it all up.

[lime]

hhhmmm what about how your Politicians behaved? That Priti patel, basically saying that you should have threatened Ireland with food shortages and used it as leverage to get rid of the back stop? You call EU leaders snobby but that kind of talk is disgusting considering what you did during the Irish "famine" and what about you Prime Minister making a comment about our Leo Varadkar "Why isn't he called Murphy like the rest of them?" If that's not a snobby, disrespectful comment I don't know what is
Then you get Nigel Evans talking kac and dening yellow hammer but then going to say the irish will also be with about meds..i am begining to think alot in UK fail to understand EU.But there is no excuse for stupidity

[lime]

i doubt Northern Ireland wants any violence since their leader Arlene Foster, is a IRA bombing survivor herself

There's your problem Nicky..To claim Arlene Foster is the leader of NI.

[Vicky.]

Boris is entirely responsible for throwing his own MP's out of the party and reducing his numbers. Nothing to do with May
:thumbs:
3 Buggering Years
PM MAY buggered it all up.

She buggered up her job no question. But Boris is the one causing this now, and blaming her just takes away from his responsibility (or whoever is pulling the puppet strings behind the scanes :ninja2: )

[arista]

:thumbs:


She buggered up her job no question. But Boris is the one causing this now, and blaming her just takes away from his responsibility (or whoever is pulling the puppet strings behind the scanes :ninja2: )


Johnson PM
has only just started
May Ex-PM wasted 3 years of our lives - Including You
a Good Mother Vicky

[Withano]

1172813642322141184

News: person changes their mind once they realised they were wrong
Reaction: TRAITOR! SNAKE!
:umm2:

[Kazanne]

Then you get Nigel Evans talking kac and dening yellow hammer but then going to say the irish will also be with about meds..i am begining to think alot in UK fail to understand EU.But there is no excuse for stupidity

I learnt a lot about the EU last night while listening to LBC radio and its not all good, they are not THAT beneficial to us, experts have said there will be no trucks lining up to come into the UK and nothing much will change,I suppose it all depends on which 'experts' we believe and there is also 75% of other trade deals we can do.

[Vicky.]

Johnson PM
has only just started


And has ****ed up more than any prime minister in the past..in such a short space of time. What an achievement!

[Kazanne]

And has ****ed up more than any prime minister in the past..in such a short space of time. What an achievement!

Only because everything he has tried to do has been blocked by the same ministers that voted for him to be PM,so he has had to take drastic measures, which Teresa May would not do, sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind,imo.

[Vicky.]

Only because everything he has tried to do has been blocked by the same ministers that voted for him to be PM,so he has had to take drastic measures, which Teresa May would not do, sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind,imo.

Yeah sure, thats why hes utterly ****e. Nothing to do with being ****e, and basically bulldozing his way through everything :laugh:

I find it quite odd, the amount of people sticking up for Jonson tbh. Hell, most Tories I know are twisting about him too as its quite clear hes not the right person for the job, or any job infact D: But online, its almost like he has a cult following at times..

I am fairly sure if hes not removed soon, he will make the tories unelectable for a long time. Mind, Labours pretty much in the same boat. Next GE will be extremely interesting I think.

As a side note, for some reason I thought it was the Tory members who voted on the PM, not the actual MPs..thats how I remember it working with Corbyn, guessing its either different for other parties, or I understood that wrong too?!

[Twosugars]

Only because everything he has tried to do has been blocked by the same ministers that voted for him to be PM,so he has had to take drastic measures, which Teresa May would not do, sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind,imo.

Bc he has no mandate for no deal.
The leave side promised a deal before the referendum. Apparently it was going to be easy :shrug:

[joeysteele]

Yeah sure, thats why hes utterly ****e. Nothing to do with being ****e, and basically bulldozing his way through everything :laugh:

I find it quite odd, the amount of people sticking up for Jonson tbh. Hell, most Tories I know are twisting about him too as its quite clear hes not the right person for the job, or any job infact D: But online, its almost like he has a cult following at times..

I am fairly sure if hes not removed soon, he will make the tories unelectable for a long time. Mind, Labours pretty much in the same boat. Next GE will be extremely interesting I think.

As a side note, for some reason I thought it was the Tory members who voted on the PM, not the actual MPs..thats how I remember it working with Corbyn, guessing its either different for other parties, or I understood that wrong too?!

You are right.

From the list of candidates.
The Con MPs decided the last 2 to go to the membership.
The members then wholly decided who got the job.

His Ministers neither are blocking him at all.

Its some of May's former ones who have helped to block his dictatorial ways.

It's actually most of HIS Ministers, who actually stuck the boot in to Theresa May along with himself doing so too against her.

[Twosugars]

You are right.

From the list of candidates.
The Con MPs decided the last 2 to go to the membership.
The members then wholly decided who got the job.

His Ministers neither are blocking him at all.

Its some of May's former ones who have helped to block his dictatorial ways.

It's actually most of HIS Ministers, who actually stuck the boot in to Theresa May along with himself doing so too against her.

Too right Joey. He is a conniving lying chancer, devoid of any integrity and morals. No sympathy for him.

[Beso]

And has ****ed up more than any prime minister in the past..in such a short space of time. What an achievement!

He ain't ****ed anything up.......YET.

[Beso]

You are right.

From the list of candidates.
The Con MPs decided the last 2 to go to the membership.
The members then wholly decided who got the job.

His Ministers neither are blocking him at all.

Its some of May's former ones who have helped to block his dictatorial ways.

It's actually most of HIS Ministers, who actually stuck the boot in to Theresa May along with himself doing so too against her.


Told you she was a duchess :smug:


But nobody would have it, now everyone is loving her former ones. ..makes me:cheer2:

[arista]

And has ****ed up more than any prime minister in the past..in such a short space of time. What an achievement!


Yes
But they ((Johnson PM/Adviser Cummings)
may get us out of the EU
So all worth it.

[lime]

I learnt a lot about the EU last night while listening to LBC radio and its not all good, they are not THAT beneficial to us, experts have said there will be no trucks lining up to come into the UK and nothing much will change,I suppose it all depends on which 'experts' we believe and there is also 75% of other trade deals we can do.

I think it is a God given that Evans is a liar,I am not an "expert" but with my ailments I researched ...He frightined me !! but after tallking to my Docs I now Know my meds were coming through UK ..no longer is our meds coming through UK now we have them through Poland
I don't think you listen to a radio staton to get expert views..to say there will be NO trucks lining up is a down and right lie ..if you choose to believe it and run with lie...Thats on you

[arista]

News: person changes their mind once they realised they were wrong
Reaction: TRAITOR! SNAKE!
:umm2:


Sure The BUGGER
wants to sell his BOOK

[Beso]

Sure The BUGGER
wants to sell his BOOK

He's opening up a pigs head with this. :joker:

[arista]

He's opening up a pigs head with this. :joker:



Yes in that Other Book
when he was Younger in College


Pigs head get's it

[Beso]

Yes in that Other Book
when he was Younger in College


Pigs head get's it

Perched for the Boris book...:joker:

[joeysteele]

Told you she was a duchess :smug:


But nobody would have it, now everyone is loving her former ones. ..makes me:cheer2:



Who Mrs May.

I still cannot stand the woman.

For me we now have the worst Male PM likely ever.
However she is the worst Female one.

Both, 2 of the last candidates who should have ever held the post of PM of the UK.

I cannot bear either.

[arista]

Perched for the Boris book...:joker:


Out on Thursday the 19th of this month
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Record-David-Cameron/dp/0008239282/ref=sr_1_3?adgrpid=52362641519&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqbizwcjQ5AIVCrDtCh0ZOQBBEAAYASAA EgLQdvD_BwE&hvadid=259125693251&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=1006565&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=e&hvrand=3167998931376050259&hvtargid=kwd-316174530229&hydadcr=18684_1773760&keywords=david+cameron+book&qid=1568472813&sr=8-3

[lime]

Sure The BUGGER
wants to sell his BOOK

Like Boris

[arista]

Like Boris


No the PM is Busy
getting the UK out of the EU


Monday he meets Junker
in Luxembourg

[lime]

Why is it that British folk like lies?strange.....



The moment a politician lies to me He/She is not geting my vote

[Twosugars]

Yes
But they ((Johnson PM/Adviser Cummings)
may get us out of the EU
So all worth it.

Time for a new referendum to stop this disaster

[lime]

No the PM is Busy
getting the UK out of the EU


Monday he meets Junker
in Luxembourg

Oh please...he is not busy getting the UK out of the EU...truth be told the UK can leave without a deal right now....but choose not to:shrug::shrug:

[Beso]

Who Mrs May.

I still cannot stand the woman.

For me we now have the worst Male PM likely ever.
However she is the worst Female one.

Both, 2 of the last candidates who should have ever held the post of PM of the UK.

I cannot bear either.

Who are the best male and female pms in your head...and why?....if you want to answer that is.

[Twosugars]

Why is it that British folk like lies?strange.....



The moment a politician lies to me He/She is not geting my vote

Not all, only half

Bc it agrees with their own biases

[arista]

Oh please...he is not busy getting the UK out of the EU...truth be told the UK can leave without a deal right now....but choose not to:shrug::shrug:


Too many blockages

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1172458982214164482/w7uIBbjf?format=jpg&name=small

[joeysteele]

Who are the best male and female pms in your head...and why?....if you want to answer that is.

Obviously Margaret Thatcher since we've only had 2 Female.

Male, I think most have done reasonably well and tried to.
Despite sometimes making one or 2 really bad decisions.

Overall I'd go for Harold McMillan. I think the end of the 50s into the 60s was s good, strong time.

Although I'd commend another Harold, re Wilson.
For not allowing us to getting our troops involved in the Vietman conflict.

[Toy Soldier]

Honestly, Thatcher was a horrendous Tory, so many heartless actions BUT she would never have created the absolute shambles we've had in Cameron-May-Johnson and Brexit.

Though I do think we're all forgetting a bit too soon that at the end of the day, this is Cameron's mess. This was his almighty **** up. No matter what happens.

[arista]

Honestly, Thatcher was a horrendous Tory, so many heartless actions BUT she would never have created the absolute shambles we've had in Cameron-May-Johnson and Brexit.

Though I do think we're all forgetting a bit too soon that at the end of the day, this is Cameron's mess. This was his almighty **** up. No matter what happens.


Sure more For the Scottish
but look at Labour leaders back then
no chance of winning

[joeysteele]

Honestly, Thatcher was a horrendous Tory, so many heartless actions BUT she would never have created the absolute shambles we've had in Cameron-May-Johnson and Brexit.

Though I do think we're all forgetting a bit too soon that at the end of the day, this is Cameron's mess. This was his almighty **** up. No matter what happens.

She'd have never held the referendum TS.
Neither would she have acted on a 3.8% majority.

She threw the narrow vote for devolution in Scotland out in late 70s.

[Toy Soldier]

She'd have never held the referendum TS.
Neither would she have acted on a 3.8% majority.

She threw the narrow vote for devolution in Scotland out in late 70s.

No PM would have held it if they thought it had a chance of passing... Cameron did it because he was over-confident about the outcome. He thought remain would win by a large margin. Everyone who allowed it to happen, believed it wouldn't happen. Just sheer arrogance. Which is why his stomach fell out of his arsehole when "Leave" won, and he resigned immediately.

[joeysteele]

No PM would have held it if they thought it had a chance of passing... Cameron did it because he was over-confident about the outcome. He thought remain would win by a large margin. Everyone who allowed it to happen, believed it wouldn't happen. Just sheer arrogance. Which is why his stomach fell out of his arsehole when "Leave" won, and he resigned immediately.



Lovely description at the end there TS:joker:

You are totally right in all you say though.

[Twosugars]

Let's not forget why Cameron did it. He was under pressure from ukip and hardliners in his party.
As then was May and as is now Johnson. Brexit party is ukip2.
Some political forces have never been happy with the eu membership, especially since it started to involve more than the economy.
Dont think Cameron could have resisted forever. Though its campaign and rules were done wrong.

My point is that this issue has been poisoning the debate at least since the Major government.

UK has never been a fully committed eu member.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEc4rLUXsAAxrdm?format=jpg&name=large

[UserSince2005]

im ready to hulkify

[Twosugars]

Is he a ****ing child?

[James]

We all know that arista is The Hulk, not Boris.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEdNuAsXYAAahXY?format=jpg&name=large

[Tom4784]

There should be a ****ing riot if he tries that **** again. No Confidence vote the ****er so hard he'll try to crawl back into his mother.

[arista]

There should be a ****ing riot if he tries that **** again. No Confidence vote the ****er so hard he'll try to crawl back into his mother.


Yes Dezzy
that's up to the Touchy Labour Leader Corbyn.

[jet]

Only because everything he has tried to do has been blocked by the same ministers that voted for him to be PM,so he has had to take drastic measures, which Teresa May would not do, sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind,imo.

Just payed a visit here tonight on night shift and read for a good few hours. Fair play to you Kaz for sticking to your own opinions with so many dissenting voices trying to 'educate' you (how good of them, eh?) :rolleyes: and change your mind. I see that like minded members like Livia, LT, Chuff, Alf, are all banned... WTH? :amazed: Well, well well....very odd....

Most others are all of one mindset and agreeing with each other ad nauseum. Makes for fascinating reading....NOT. What a snore fest this site now is....mainly one sided dialogue all saying mainly the same things like an broken record. A shadow of its former self compared to the good ole days....and those who are sorely needed for balance and to help keep it more interesting and diverse and stimulating are all banned.
What a disappointing visit, for me anyway...:bored:

[jet]

Who Mrs May.

I still cannot stand the woman.

For me we now have the worst Male PM likely ever.
However she is the worst Female one.

Both, 2 of the last candidates who should have ever held the post of PM of the UK.

I cannot bear either.

Just wondering if Corbyn, the friend of the IRA and other terrorist groups and who has a high tolerance level for anti semitism would be worse than May was or Johnson is? I haven't seen much of you being fearful of Corbyn becoming PM.

[Vanessa]

I don't like Boris Johnson at all. But getting a deal is in the interest of everyone. So I hope he can get one.

[Kazanne]

Just payed a visit here tonight on night shift and read for a good few hours. Fair play to you Kaz for sticking to your own opinions with so many dissenting voices trying to 'educate' you (how good of them, eh?) :rolleyes: and change your mind. I see that like minded members like Livia, LT, Chuff, Alf, are all banned... WTH? :amazed: Well, well well....very odd....

Most others are all of one mindset and agreeing with each other ad nauseum. Makes for fascinating reading....NOT. What a snore fest this site now is....mainly one sided dialogue all saying mainly the same things like an broken record. A shadow of its former self compared to the good ole days....and those who are sorely needed for balance and to help keep it more interesting and diverse and stimulating are all banned.
What a disappointing visit, for me anyway...:bored:

Aw Jet,Lovely to see you post,it's a shame so many decent posters are no longer here,and as much as I am open to be educated,I have yet to see anything that has changed my mind so far, I am mainly alone but prefer it that way as I know then that I am my own person and not out to please anyone, I don't mind debating with those who don't try to patronise me for my opinion or just name call,but it's sometimes just not worth posting , but it would be lovely to see some more like you back, loved it back in the day when even you and I disagreed but were adult enough not to fall out over anything.:wavey:

[Kazanne]

If Boris can bring things like this to pass,he's ok by me
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/child-killers-will-never-be-released-from-prison-boris-johnson-warns-as-he-plans-to-introduce-tougher-sentences/ar-AAHiSkW?ocid=spartanntp

LONG overdue imo.

[joeysteele]

Just wondering if Corbyn, the friend of the IRA and other terrorist groups and who has a high tolerance level for anti semitism would be worse than May was or Johnson is? I haven't seen much of you being fearful of Corbyn becoming PM.

I long ago decided not to engage with you and your always confrontational attitude.

This thread isn't about Corbyn.

You're just one of those who have to bring him up and other issues any thread you go on.
So you can quote me all you like, that's your privilege as a member just never in future expect a reply.

For the record however I don't think there's a leader in UK politics at present who is of PM material in any shape or form.
However the last 2 are, yes, the bottom of the pile for me.
Only choosing to fuel divisiveness and bitterness rather than unifying and compromise.

So waste your time quoting me all you wish now in future, however I've given up on here trying to reason with the unreasonable.

[Cherie]

If Boris can bring things like this to pass,he's ok by me
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/child-killers-will-never-be-released-from-prison-boris-johnson-warns-as-he-plans-to-introduce-tougher-sentences/ar-AAHiSkW?ocid=spartanntp

LONG overdue imo.

Yep good move

[Cherie]

Just payed a visit here tonight on night shift and read for a good few hours. Fair play to you Kaz for sticking to your own opinions with so many dissenting voices trying to 'educate' you (how good of them, eh?) :rolleyes: and change your mind. I see that like minded members like Livia, LT, Chuff, Alf, are all banned... WTH? :amazed: Well, well well....very odd....

Most others are all of one mindset and agreeing with each other ad nauseum. Makes for fascinating reading....NOT. What a snore fest this site now is....mainly one sided dialogue all saying mainly the same things like an broken record. A shadow of its former self compared to the good ole days....and those who are sorely needed for balance and to help keep it more interesting and diverse and stimulating are all banned.
What a disappointing visit, for me anyway...:bored:

Good to see you a Jet, yes it’s Like Groundhog Day in SD at the minute

[Ammi]

Just payed a visit here tonight on night shift and read for a good few hours. Fair play to you Kaz for sticking to your own opinions with so many dissenting voices trying to 'educate' you (how good of them, eh?) :rolleyes: and change your mind. I see that like minded members like Livia, LT, Chuff, Alf, are all banned... WTH? :amazed: Well, well well....very odd....

Most others are all of one mindset and agreeing with each other ad nauseum. Makes for fascinating reading....NOT. What a snore fest this site now is....mainly one sided dialogue all saying mainly the same things like an broken record. A shadow of its former self compared to the good ole days....and those who are sorely needed for balance and to help keep it more interesting and diverse and stimulating are all banned.
What a disappointing visit, for me anyway...:bored:

...I guess jet..(...and hey, btw..:love:...)...that I am one of the one mindset people who is agreeing ad nauseam and part of the snore fest that you speak of...?...I think though that there is a huge reason why many voices ...(...both on and off the forum...)...are uniting under the reign of Boris Johnson...his determination of a no deal stance...(...whether it be to pleasure Donald Trump or whatever his own self serving reason..)...is something that threatens the peace and stability in Northern Ireland, which I know is something that is very personal to you as well ...and obviously, a huge reason for your feelings on Corbyn, which I completely understand...:hug:...but the thought that we could go back there and be led back there by selfish government egos is so frightening to many, both living in and out of Northern Ireland...hence the uniting of voices, which for me...?...need to unite more and more...I am a bit baffled that you seem to be looking at those voices with disdain ...

[lime]

Just payed a visit here tonight on night shift and read for a good few hours. Fair play to you Kaz for sticking to your own opinions with so many dissenting voices trying to 'educate' you (how good of them, eh?) :rolleyes: and change your mind. I see that like minded members like Livia, LT, Chuff, Alf, are all banned... WTH? :amazed: Well, well well....very odd....

Most others are all of one mindset and agreeing with each other ad nauseum. Makes for fascinating reading....NOT. What a snore fest this site now is....mainly one sided dialogue all saying mainly the same things like an broken record. A shadow of its former self compared to the good ole days....and those who are sorely needed for balance and to help keep it more interesting and diverse and stimulating are all banned.
What a disappointing visit, for me anyway...:bored:

So nothing of relevance to say re Brexit..Your only contribution is to wine about your mates been banned.

Telling stuff right there Jet

No analogous at all re Brexit

[Nicky91]

uk will be leaving the EU, a deal or a no deal, or a kick under the arse by the EU

majority of people voted to leave in 2016, so if this brexit is revoked it is a serious blow to democracy in the uk


''leave means leave'' and make it ASAP pls, i am sick and tired seeing this brexit news mess invade our dutch breakfast news either

[lime]

If Boris can bring things like this to pass,he's ok by me
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/child-killers-will-never-be-released-from-prison-boris-johnson-warns-as-he-plans-to-introduce-tougher-sentences/ar-AAHiSkW?ocid=spartanntp

LONG overdue imo.

Sure ..I don't think anyone would disagree with that.
Problem is his party has been in power for a decade and have not pursued this.

It's election time and he neglets to acknoledge the facts that he backed the cuts to the police..health care..social services..Why do the British public choose to run with a marvel comic characther and not challenge him on this is beyond me:shrug::shrug:

[lime]

uk will be leaving the EU, a deal or a no deal, or a kick under the arse by the EU

majority of people voted to leave in 2016, so if this brexit is revoked it is a serious blow to democracy in the uk


''leave means leave'' and make it ASAP pls, i am sick and tired seeing this brexit news mess invade our dutch breakfast news either

True Nicky..

Leave means leave..We in the EU have our own domestic issues to be getting on with..What will a 2nd referendum solve?

[lime]

...I guess jet..(...and hey, btw..:love:...)...that I am one of the one mindset people who is agreeing ad nauseam and part of the snore fest that you speak of...?...I think though that there is a huge reason why many voices ...(...both on and off the forum...)...are uniting under the reign of Boris Johnson...his determination of a no deal stance...(...whether it be to pleasure Donald Trump or whatever his own self serving reason..)...is something that threatens the peace and stability in Northern Ireland, which I know is something that is very personal to you as well ...and obviously, a huge reason for your feelings on Corbyn, which I completely understand...:hug:...but the thought that we could go back there and be led back there by selfish government egos is so frightening to many, both living in and out of Northern Ireland...hence the uniting of voices, which for me...?...need to unite more and more...I am a bit baffled that you seem to be looking at those voices with disdain ...
:love::love:

[Nicky91]

True Nicky..

Leave means leave..We in the EU have our own domestic issues to be getting on with..What will a 2nd referendum solve?

yes our Green New Deal for a cleaner, greener, better europe

that is a priority for EU now, but this plan is in good hands with our Frans Timmermans

[Kazanne]

Sure ..I don't think anyone would disagree with that.
Problem is his party has been in power for a decade and have not pursued this.

It's election time and he neglets to acknoledge the facts that he backed the cuts to the police..health care..social services..Why do the British public choose to run with a marvel comic characther and not challenge him on this is beyond me:shrug::shrug:

And it seems he wants to put that right,maybe he has realised less police is not a good idea etc, he,imo is no more untrustworthy than any of the others,and whatever names you call him ie, a marvel comic character, does not make me change my mind anyway,there are several names I could call the opposition,but imo it doesn't change a thing.

[Toy Soldier]

If Boris can bring things like this to pass,he's ok by me
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/child-killers-will-never-be-released-from-prison-boris-johnson-warns-as-he-plans-to-introduce-tougher-sentences/ar-AAHiSkW?ocid=spartanntp

LONG overdue imo.Populist campaigning propaganda that will be conveniently forgotten as soon as its served its purpose :idc:

[Kizzy]

Just payed a visit here tonight on night shift and read for a good few hours. Fair play to you Kaz for sticking to your own opinions with so many dissenting voices trying to 'educate' you (how good of them, eh?) :rolleyes: and change your mind. I see that like minded members like Livia, LT, Chuff, Alf, are all banned... WTH? :amazed: Well, well well....very odd....

Most others are all of one mindset and agreeing with each other ad nauseum. Makes for fascinating reading....NOT. What a snore fest this site now is....mainly one sided dialogue all saying mainly the same things like an broken record. A shadow of its former self compared to the good ole days....and those who are sorely needed for balance and to help keep it more interesting and diverse and stimulating are all banned.
What a disappointing visit, for me anyway...:bored:

As a dissenting voice let me make it clear, I don't come on here to educate anyone. .I
I have an opinion and I express it, that's it. Personally I'd say many can see this attempt by Boris to draw those who quite rightly want tougher sentences for those crimes in is nothing but an election ploy. Look at all the bills that were dropped because of prorogation, his attempting to redeem himself for those by offering this.
Here in Yorkshire he has not been received very well and I'd echo the advice to him given in Morley and Doncaster. Get back to Westminster and do your job!
I'm sorry your visit was marred by the absence of certain members but be reassured there are still many who are able to counter any 'broken records' with equally damaged plastic opinion.

[arista]

“They are not Going to break the Law”
“They are going to go around it”
To leave on the 31st of October.

Ref: Katy Balls
Paper Review . Marr BBC1HD.

[Ammi]

...we are not going to break the law, we’re going to go around the law...while expecting the population to follow the law...because we are the law and the law wins.../...Judge Johnson...

https://media1.giphy.com/media/NHOeWrd1CtfYA/source.gif

[joeysteele]

Less police are the result of cuts from 2010.
Reported 20,000 less.

Now is the mentioned 20,000 police officers, over the next 3 years or so.
Are they 20,000 nett extra.

As thousands of Police officers will be retiring over the next few years..
Will they still be being replaced on top of this proposed 20,000.

Otherwise they won't be possibly being increased in numbers that much.

As for the sentencing of child killers being more severe.
Of course that's a good idea in theory.
It should always have been the case.

However unless he removes mitigation from sentencing too.
Which would open up a massive can of worms.
It's not going to result in a great change.

For me, look at all sentencing.
Only lock up where violence and damage to property crlimes have been committed.

Of course murderers, should be removed from society for life.
Child killers, yes.
However for me, all murders rob people of family, parents, friends and partners.
So clear the prisons of all convicted if non violent crimes..

Then open the prison spaces for all who have committed violent crimes only.
Across the board, from damage to property,assault, abuse, and the taking of any lives.

That's the reforms I'd like to see.

Would I trust the word of this PM on what he says he'd do.
Not a single chance would I.

[Kizzy]

Let's not forget why Cameron did it. He was under pressure from ukip and hardliners in his party.
As then was May and as is now Johnson. Brexit party is ukip2.
Some political forces have never been happy with the eu membership, especially since it started to involve more than the economy.
Dont think Cameron could have resisted forever. Though its campaign and rules were done wrong.

My point is that this issue has been poisoning the debate at least since the Major government.

UK has never been a fully committed eu member.

Ive always said ukip were tory2 the ageing yuppies from the 80s who love excess and hate Johnny foreigner.
My view is this was a forgone conclusion we were leaving by the internal factions in the conservatives, the referendum was a smokescreen so it appeared to be the will of the people.
Cameron is back after 3yrs silence and he appears to have a score to settle, as always the truth will out.

[Kizzy]

Boris is going to circumvent the law? Bend the rules?

He knows nothing about this country then because that will never be accepted as he well knows justice is at our core we love to see it done.
My guess is he's going to turn into the incredible sulk because he's not getting away with that.

Thinking about the child killer headline, its a shame that only applies to direct killers as if it were indirect all those MPS voting for austerity measures that had 1 in 4 children living below the poverty line starving might have cause to be worried. The infant mortality rate has risen exponentially since the conservatives came to power, to my mind they are culpable.

[bots]

In a democracy you can't cover up the cracks of dissenting voices indefinitely. While new labour were in power there was a decade where those eurosceptic voices were all but silenced. so when the tories got back in with a coalition the eurosceptic voices suddenly became very loud and powerful. Again, if May had not completely fluffed her GE, things would have gone super smooth,but they didn't.

I don't believe Cameron had any choice but to hold a referendum. The simple fact is that 50% of the population have always been against being in the EU. Europe has always been a big issue in the UK, right from the very day we joined.

Tony Blair signed us up to deeper integration with the EU without any vote, that angered a lot of people and it was never forgiven. That set everything on course for where we are now. Prior to that John Major had tried to effectively join the Euro (again without a vote) by aligning the pound with the euro. That experiment lasted all of 3 days, and the "elite" lost staggering amounts of money in those 3 days, again, something that would never be forgotten

The stories have always been negative regarding europe, never positive. Bureaucracy, food mountains, immigration. The positives were always just taken for granted with no fanfare. This has always been the problem. When it came to the referendum, all remain could say was ... well, its the status quo ... isn't life great in the EU where as the leave side could repeat all the negatives built up over 40 years .... and people forget good news, they never forget bad news. So any time a negative story was repeated, those that lived through it thought ... oh yeah ... i remember that ... that was all the EU's fault.

Anyway, long story short. The UK has always been a nation that stood on it's own feet, we were successful that way, it's in our nature. We are naturally untrusting of others, and through the generations that's been a very sensible outlook. Since the war, europe has tried to be peaceful ... and all credit for that, but world powers are always a threat, and the nature of threats change. I personally don't think that going it alone is necessarily a sensible strategy, but then, we don't know what our future holds, the only thing we know is that nothing is ever certain.

So what does all that mean? In the long term we have no idea what will befall us. Making judgements today for how things might be in 50 years is completely pointless. Remaining, leaving with a deal, leaving without a deal, are all very short views. Nothing is set in concrete. In the big scheme of things it's a blip. It may seem like it's a big issue, but whichever route we end up travelling, it is but a small bump in the road, and I wish people would get a grip and admit it.

[arista]

...we are not going to break the law, we’re going to go around the law...while expecting the population to follow the law...because we are the law and the law wins.../...Judge Johnson...

https://media1.giphy.com/media/NHOeWrd1CtfYA/source.gif



The Population has to Follow
our Law and Order,


Politics does not need a Biased
POXY
Scottish Judges thinking they can rule us.

[Ammi]

The Population has to Follow
our Law and Order,


Politics does not need a Biased
POXY
Scottish Judges thinking they can rule us.

...Scotland is part of ‘us’, Arista...as is Northern Ireland ...we are only ‘us’ because of that...you’re sounding very elitist, sir...

[bots]

The Population has to Follow
our Law and Order,


Politics does not need a Biased
POXY
Scottish Judges thinking they can rule us.

Scotland has always had a separate legal system to england and as long as parliament makes laws that affect england and scotland, they have to abide by both those countries legal systems.

Arista, i find your tone to be increasingly offensive, i think you should think a bit more before you commit your posts as you are coming across as an intolerant extremist

[Vanessa]

I just think leaving with a deal is better. But I'm not sure there's enough time for that.

[lime]

And it seems he wants to put that right,maybe he has realised less police is not a good idea etc, he,imo is no more untrustworthy than any of the others,and whatever names you call him ie, a marvel comic character, does not make me change my mind anyway,there are several names I could call the opposition,but imo it doesn't change a thing.

But Kazanne you fail to understand that we in EU do not want you to change your mind or vote.Why did he accept those cuts and now change his mind?

Maybe he has just realised...Your having a laugh.

He knew it then and he knows it now.

I don't refer to him as a Marvel comic characther as an insult...He refers to himself as one:shrug::shrug:

[lime]

I just think leaving with a deal is better. But I'm not sure there's enough time for that.

There is no deal to be had.

Ask Arlene.

I wanted a deal but sadly it is not going to happen:notimpressed::notimpressed:

[Kazanne]

In a democracy you can't cover up the cracks of dissenting voices indefinitely. While new labour were in power there was a decade where those eurosceptic voices were all but silenced. so when the tories got back in with a coalition the eurosceptic voices suddenly became very loud and powerful. Again, if May had not completely fluffed her GE, things would have gone super smooth,but they didn't.

I don't believe Cameron had any choice but to hold a referendum. The simple fact is that 50% of the population have always been against being in the EU. Europe has always been a big issue in the UK, right from the very day we joined.

Tony Blair signed us up to deeper integration with the EU without any vote, that angered a lot of people and it was never forgiven. That set everything on course for where we are now. Prior to that John Major had tried to effectively join the Euro (again without a vote) by aligning the pound with the euro. That experiment lasted all of 3 days, and the "elite" lost staggering amounts of money in those 3 days, again, something that would never be forgotten

The stories have always been negative regarding europe, never positive. Bureaucracy, food mountains, immigration. The positives were always just taken for granted with no fanfare. This has always been the problem. When it came to the referendum, all remain could say was ... well, its the status quo ... isn't life great in the EU where as the leave side could repeat all the negatives built up over 40 years .... and people forget good news, they never forget bad news. So any time a negative story was repeated, those that lived through it thought ... oh yeah ... i remember that ... that was all the EU's fault.

Anyway, long story short. The UK has always been a nation that stood on it's own feet, we were successful that way, it's in our nature. We are naturally untrusting of others, and through the generations that's been a very sensible outlook. Since the war, europe has tried to be peaceful ... and all credit for that, but world powers are always a threat, and the nature of threats change. I personally don't think that going it alone is necessarily a sensible strategy, but then, we don't know what our future holds, the only thing we know is that nothing is ever certain.

So what does all that mean? In the long term we have no idea what will befall us. Making judgements today for how things might be in 50 years is completely pointless. Remaining, leaving with a deal, leaving without a deal, are all very short views. Nothing is set in concrete. In the big scheme of things it's a blip. It may seem like it's a big issue, but whichever route we end up travelling, it is but a small bump in the road, and I wish people would get a grip and admit it.

:clap1::clap1:Well said ,that's about the long and short of it.:wavey:

[arista]

Scotland has always had a separate legal system to england and as long as parliament makes laws that affect england and scotland, they have to abide by both those countries legal systems.

Arista, i find your tone to be increasingly offensive, i think you should think a bit more before you commit your posts as you are coming across as an intolerant extremist

I can assure you
I am not that.

[arista]

I just think leaving with a deal is better. But I'm not sure there's enough time for that.


JohnsonPM
may get a Deal leaving on time
but with a transition
right after

One of the many options

[Toy Soldier]

Anyway, long story short. The UK has always been a nation that stood on it's own feet, we were successful that way, it's in our nature. We are naturally untrusting of others, and through the generations that's been a very sensible outlook. Since the war, europe has tried to be peaceful ... and all credit for that, but world powers are always a threat, and the nature of threats change. I personally don't think that going it alone is necessarily a sensible strategy, but then, we don't know what our future holds, the only thing we know is that nothing is ever certain.

The UK "stood on its own feet" by exploiting and plundering half of the world and claiming it as "ours". Those days are long, LONG gone now and they're not coming back... The world is mapped and claimed. There are no more New Worlds, no more colonies, and the economy is increasing global. If we in the UK don't realise that soon, we're economically doomed to irrelevance.

As part of the EU, and we've always had the opportunity to be a driving force if we stopped driving with the handbrake on, we would be sitting at the top of an economic superpower that can compete with the US, China and the large emerging economies.

Alone we're insignificant.

[lime]

JohnsonPM
may get a Deal leaving on time
but with a transition
right after

One of the many options

That's simply untrue and not helpful to peddle these lies,

There is no deal to be had

[Kizzy]

We remember the bad never the good when it comes to the EU. ... when it's bad we've done to others however that gets quickly flipped :/

We're an island, we have an island mentality that's where the waryness comes from, but as Europe was sold to us gen x 40 somethings they were our continental cousins with shared values and religion...now they are the enemy?
And the BRIC countries with their corruption and dubious human rights records are the face of future international trade?. along with the US, is this in our best interests personally I can't see how.

[Kizzy]

That's simply untrue and not helpful to peddle these lies,

There is no deal to be had

Well to be fair there's a meeting tomorrow with Michel Barnier, Boris will ask for the backstop removing again, my guess is he'll say no...again

[joeysteele]

Well to be fair there's a meeting tomorrow with Michel Barnier, Boris will ask for the backstop removing again, my guess is he'll say no...again

My guess is you are right again Kizzy.

[arista]

That's simply untrue and not helpful to peddle these lies,

There is no deal to be had


No anything is possible
You can not get inside Dominic Cummings Head

[Twosugars]

[QUOTE=lime;10678838]That's simply untrue and not helpful to peddle these lies,

There is no deal to be had[/QUOTE


No anything is possible
You can not get inside Dominic Cummings Head

Who would want to
He's a sociopath and anarchist

[arista]

Dominic Cummings
may be alot of things
but he has alternate plans ready.

[Kazanne]

That's simply untrue and not helpful to peddle these lies,

There is no deal to be had

So,if there is no deal to be had,what makes people think any of the others can deliver it :shrug: or are you saying ? the vote should be ignored and we just stay in ?

[lime]

So,if there is no deal to be had,what makes people think any of the others can deliver it :shrug: or are you saying ? the vote should be ignored and we just stay in ?

No kazanne...that is in no way way I am saying.

You voted to leave and should do so.

You in the Uk do not understand our frustration with Brexit.


Leave means leave..they hold their nose's in regard to Ireland..shamefull behavior:nono::nono:

[lime]

Dominic Cummings
may be alot of things
but he has alternate plans ready.

For who?

[lime]

https://www.facebook.com/CultureTrending/videos/2168187863396064/?t=0

Brexit in a nutshell

[arista]

For who?


The UK.

[arista]

https://www.facebook.com/CultureTrending/videos/2168187863396064/?t=0

Brexit in a nutsell



Yes Poor Jeremy stuck on a Violin.

[lime]

Yes Poor Jeremy stuck on a Violin.

he really is useless Arista

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1172918627013672961/meJv7zw9?format=jpg&name=small

[lime]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1172918627013672961/meJv7zw9?format=jpg&name=small
Sums Brexit up perfectly sadly.

we in Ireland knew that during the summer...whilst parliment was not sitting they would come for us Irish..never in my life did I expect the hatered .


Simon Covney did the right thing and list the articles that insulted us..he told us to rise above it and not sink to their levels

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/K4LqbgSXqy0oWVGgYHpYMw/https/media.fyre.co/CHGcjOTwQO67Dyf2YTOT_i%201609.JPG

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/zMAbfxz7iLsRuW_IoAHn8Q/https/media.fyre.co/7YK306btTfq9iOLKOMOA_Telegraph%201609.JPG

[Twosugars]

The UK "stood on its own feet" by exploiting and plundering half of the world and claiming it as "ours". Those days are long, LONG gone now and they're not coming back... The world is mapped and claimed. There are no more New Worlds, no more colonies, and the economy is increasing global. If we in the UK don't realise that soon, we're economically doomed to irrelevance.

As part of the EU, and we've always had the opportunity to be a driving force if we stopped driving with the handbrake on, we would be sitting at the top of an economic superpower that can compete with the US, China and the large emerging economies.

Alone we're insignificant.

True and therefore unpopular

[jet]

...I guess jet..(...and hey, btw..:love:...)...that I am one of the one mindset people who is agreeing ad nauseam and part of the snore fest that you speak of...?...I think though that there is a huge reason why many voices ...(...both on and off the forum...)...are uniting under the reign of Boris Johnson...his determination of a no deal stance...(...whether it be to pleasure Donald Trump or whatever his own self serving reason..)...is something that threatens the peace and stability in Northern Ireland, which I know is something that is very personal to you as well ...and obviously, a huge reason for your feelings on Corbyn, which I completely understand...:hug:...but the thought that we could go back there and be led back there by selfish government egos is so frightening to many, both living in and out of Northern Ireland...hence the uniting of voices, which for me...?...need to unite more and more...I am a bit baffled that you seem to be looking at those voices with disdain ...

Hi Ammi! It remains to be seen whether peace in N.Ireland would be compromised, and if that was the case the present government wouldnt be responsible for those who would kill and maim for so little reason - those who take up guns or bomb innocent people would be responsible for their own actions. There is NO excuse for that.
I am far more fearful of Corbyn getting into government. A devious and dangerous man who has already encouraged the deaths of many innocents and was hand in glove with those who caused those innocents lives to be cut short and their families lives ruined forever. I know this, and the reason I no longer post here is because I can't co - exist with those who turn a blind eye and could tolerate him as their countries leader. May and Johnston? They are pussycats compared to that sick ***K.

[jet]

Aw Jet,Lovely to see you post,it's a shame so many decent posters are no longer here,and as much as I am open to be educated,I have yet to see anything that has changed my mind so far, I am mainly alone but prefer it that way as I know then that I am my own person and not out to please anyone, I don't mind debating with those who don't try to patronise me for my opinion or just name call,but it's sometimes just not worth posting , but it would be lovely to see some more like you back, loved it back in the day when even you and I disagreed but were adult enough not to fall out over anything.:wavey:

Yes, good times! :love:

Hi to Cherie too, I miss you ladies, all the best to you both. :wavey:

[Ammi]

Hi Ammi! It remains to be seen whether peace in N.Ireland would be compromised, and if that was the case the present government wouldnt be responsible for those who would kill and maim for so little reason - those who take up guns or bomb innocent people would be responsible for their own actions. There is NO excuse for that.
I am far more fearful of Corbyn getting into government. A devious and dangerous man who has already encouraged the deaths of many innocents and was hand in glove with those who caused those innocents lives to be cut short and their families lives ruined forever. I know this, and the reason I no longer post here is because I can't co - exist with those who turn a blind eye and could tolerate him as their countries leader. May and Johnston? They are pussycats compared to that sick ***K.

...hmmmm, I’m still confused by your stance...but I’m going to leave it there...you say it remains to be seen whether peace would be compromised, while a no deal Brexit is going to compromise the Good Friday Agreement and this is all very imminent... the fear and concern of those living in and out of NI is very real and very now...the fear though of JC becoming PM does not have a huge likelihood atm..anyways I don’t see this as a who is/was worse competition, I see someone in Johnson who is self serving and ego driven, sadly...the very opposite of what the country would have needed right now in this time of uncertainty, fear and division...but yeah, I’m going to leave it there, Jet...

[bots]

Alone we're insignificant.

and again from your words you are making an assumption that whatever outcome we have in the coming weeks/months is a permanent one. Which believe it or not is unlikely. Even if we reverted to an insular nation for 40 future years, it's not permanent. Myself, i believe if we exit the eu without a deal there will be a deal done within 5 years to negate the effects. That, could at a maximum be another recession .... We have had plenty recessions before that we have handled.

Of course no one wants to change something that is working, i think it is madness personally, but it's really not the end of the world, and nothing is ever set in concrete as so many appear to believe

[Ammi]

...to be fair though, bots...a recession is something that not everyone can survive...some are already financially stretched as far as capacity allows...

[Ammi]

...I mean it doesn’t help with the Yellowhammer report that the stockpiling of body bags was mentioned...this is the provision being made by the government for tough times then, that we’re going to get through...everyone just has to hold tight for 5 years...:laugh:...the words of the government ..in preparation...and the actions of the government...in preparation...are not correlating at all...

[Ammi]

...just using TS’ word...atm the care for human life being shown by the government is becoming more and more insignificant...

[bots]

...to be fair though, bots...a recession is something that not everyone can survive...some are already financially stretched as fast as capacity allows...

people will be affected by recession and it's not nice. You and I are both old enough to know what it means to family. But, let me try putting it another way. At the moment, we have a country divided. In order to bring the country back together again in any meaningful way, we are going to have to go through something fundamental together that brings back shared experience and a willingness to work together. That generally comes from adversity. It's sad it has come to this, but I believe its the only way we will regain united purpose.

[Ammi]

people will be affected by recession and it's not nice. You and I are both old enough to know what it means to family. But, let me try putting it another way. At the moment, we have a country divided. In order to bring the country back together again in any meaningful way, we are going to have to go through something fundamental together that brings back shared experience and a willingness to work together. That generally comes from adversity. It's sad it has come to this, but I believe its the only way we will regain united purpose.

...hmmmm, the reason that I can’t agree with much of this, bots...is that there is no bond to bring us together when only some people will be impacted really seriously...all this will do is to deepen the divide, I fear...because everything about what’s happening atm points to the elite becoming more elite and the less well off, becoming less well off..this is the very last thing to bring a country together...’I’m alright jack..’...is the name of our after Brexit care package...

[AnnieK]

The number of children already on the bread line and living in poverty in this country is astounding,a no deal Brexit will only push more families into poverty and real financial hardship. These kids are the future of this country and willl be most impacted by no deal and a no deal will seriously compromise their immediate futures. As a first world nation, the levels that people are already suffering are not acceptable....I just find it all incredibly sad.

[Ammi]

The number of children already on the bread line and living in poverty in this country is astounding,a no deal Brexit will only push more families into poverty and real financial hardship. These kids are the future of this country and a no deal will seriously compromise their immediate futures. As a first world nation, the levels that people are already suffering are not acceptable....I just find it all incredibly sad.

...it’s not just the physical impact of poverty either, Annie...it’s the impact on mental health within a family, both with children and parents...and the cutbacks that have already been made in mental healthcare by a government that has already stretched beyond limits ...so many families are already at such a weakened/vulnerable place to begin with...before the hardships of Brexit have even begun to impact...

[joeysteele]

My views are well known on here on a no deal brexit, and as to this horrendous dangerous PM and his hard-line Cabinet.

Many have said strong points all through.

All that Ammi and AnnieK have said for me.
It's a great pity the wider media aren't stating what both Ammi and AnnieK are pointing out.

To you AnnieK, I pick up and feel your real concern for yours and other families on this wildy reckless push to no deal brexit by this PM.
I've read and respected all your posts on the issue.

To Ammi, one of the most reasoned people on tibb, who doesn't pull punches when necessary on extremely important issues.
While still staying reasoned.
The compassion for those who will be affected with endless uncertainty and hardship, from this present PMs divisive, reckless and dangerous aims he seems to be determined to see through.
Your compassion is commendable and welcome.

I'm left in dismay any could support a no deal brexit.
To actually support this PM in his madman type rants and dangerously divisive aims, is for me unforgivable.

A general election will be held soon, where this crazed, no deal obsessed PM may just win.
Then he can overturn and do anything he likes.

However a general election is NOT the way to decide a brexit policy.

Governments elected, do not get anything like over 50% support from the voters.
This electoral system is ridiculous.

In 2005, Labour got 35.2% the Cons got 32.7%
It resulted in a 68 overall majority for Labour.
Totally ridiculous.

A general election could make things even worse.

Anyway, ending this post I want to thank Ammi and Anniek for all their strong and fair reasoned points.

[Nicky91]

those who support a no deal brexit, don't think about the consequences of the middle class and the poor british people

utterly utterly selfish ideas from a ''established elite'' party what the brexit party is, consisting out of only elitists


my sort of ''brexit'' would be, a no deal and then going even further and taking away some of the wealth from the british elite to divide that over the british middle class and poor, make NHS better even for the poorest person in britain

a left wing stable equal brexit is what the country needs, but sadly at this moment i cannot see it happening, since people apparently like voting for loudmouth bigots, and Nigel Farage would be a 100 times worse PM than boris johnson and a million times worse PM than theresa may

a vote for farage is a vote for power hungry elitists who do not care about the common british people, just about themselves and the attention they get from leadership

[Beso]

The Germans will ensure a deal goes through, it could be as soon as the end of this week imo.

[lime]

The Germans will ensure a deal goes through, it could be as soon as the end of this week imo.

What do you base your opinion on ?

I truly believe that alot of brexiters have no comprehension of the feeling in EU.
This nonsence of how the EU will blink is carrying on since 2016.
Strange time to be alive when facts don't matter

[Beso]

What do you base your opinion on ?

I truly believe that alot of brexiters have no comprehension of the feeling in EU.
This nonsence of how the EU will blink is carrying on since 2016.
Strange time to be alive when facts don't matter

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1178226/Brexit-Merkel-Varadkar-UK-Germany-Ireland-Boris-no-deal

[lime]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1178226/Brexit-Merkel-Varadkar-UK-Germany-Ireland-Boris-no-deal
Sweet Jesus:facepalm::facepalm:

[Twosugars]

Sweet Jesus:facepalm::facepalm:

Express is a gutter rag and that Daly woman is an idiot

[bots]

the Daily Express is basically a comic

[Beso]

the Daily Express is basically a comic

Who the link is doesn't matter in this instance as it's reporting something that was aired on tv.


Now I wonder where lime gets his obviously for more informative info from that he comes to his conclusions??

[Ammi]

..Lime is a female...

[Twosugars]

Daley also predicted trump will be removed fro power in 2019.

[arista]

..Lime is a female...


how nice

[arista]

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Typical Few Sad Protestors
out there.

[jet]

...hmmmm, I’m still confused by your stance...but I’m going to leave it there...you say it remains to be seen whether peace would be compromised, while a no deal Brexit is going to compromise the Good Friday Agreement and this is all very imminent... the fear and concern of those living in and out of NI is very real and very now...the fear though of JC becoming PM does not have a huge likelihood atm..anyways I don’t see this as a who is/was worse competition, I see someone in Johnson who is self serving and ego driven, sadly...the very opposite of what the country would have needed right now in this time of uncertainty, fear and division...but yeah, I’m going to leave it there, Jet...

Well, we don’t know if a no deal is even going to happen. If it did, and all the devastating consequences that is predicted by many here occured, then Johnson would hardly win the next election, would he? (Apart from the fact he might have to resign or even be jailed :umm2: if he refused to abide by the law by asking for an extension). Enter Corbyn as PM...and wait for the damage his policies would have...yet no - one is discussing that fearful prospect. Apart from the fact he is a terrorist hugger and anti - semite enabler. Apart from the fact he will go whichever way the wind blows and desert his own principles as a lifetime euro sceptic to get power.
And really, being self serving and ego driven is a pre - requisite for the job of PM. I really can’t see how a Boris no deal would serve him or his ego if his legacy was going to be the PM who pushed through a no deal with horrific results like businesses folding, people starving and an end to peace in Ireland. Sounds like political suicide to me. Doesn’t compute.

But I don’t want to go any further into all this so, like yourself, I would like to leave it there if you don’t mind.
:wavey:

[arista]

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[Tom4784]

The fixation on Corbyn is nothing more than a distraction tactic. Worrying about what comes next if we prevent Boris from ****ing us over is pointless while Boris is still a threat.

Also it's not just 'here' that's predicting a catastrophic brexit. Any analyst that's worth a damn has said the same thing and every time a new development happens that pushes us closer to a no deal brexit happens, the pound takes a hit. If people who stake their living on being right are telling you something, people whose expertise in the knowledge of economy far outstrips anyone's here, you listen because it's the height of arrogance to ignore or downplay something you don't want to hear from someone who knows more about the subject than you.

Brexit will be catastrophic, we will be facing a recession, medical supplies shortage and job losses and that's just the optimistic base level predictions. Rather than worrying about what Corbyn might do in a position he'll probably never have, worry about averting a disaster that will likely have ramifications for generations.

[Twosugars]

The fixation on Corbyn is nothing more than a distraction tactic. Worrying about what comes next if we prevent Boris from ****ing us over is pointless while Boris is still a threat.

Also it's not just 'here' that's predicting a catastrophic brexit. Any analyst that's worth a damn has said the same thing and every time a new development happens that pushes us closer to a no deal brexit happens, the pound takes a hit. If people who stake their living on being right are telling you something, people whose expertise in the knowledge of economy far outstrips anyone's here, you listen because it's the height of arrogance to ignore or downplay something you don't want to hear from someone who knows more about the subject than you.

Brexit will be catastrophic, we will be facing a recession, medical supplies shortage and job losses and that's just the optimistic base level predictions. Rather than worrying about what Corbyn might do in a position he'll probably never have, worry about averting a disaster that will likely have ramifications for generations.

It is whataboutery of the highest order. Brexit is ****? But what about Corbyn? :laugh:
Some of his policies are a serious danger to establishment, that's why. Workers rights, nationalisation of railways, higher taxes for the rich etc etc

[arista]

Johnson PM was mean't to talk outside
with the Luxembourg PM
but the Loud protestors have stopped our PM going outside
So only Bettel was talking.


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[Boris Johnson has just been humiliated by PM of tiniest country in EU]

[The Slim Reaper]

Johnson PM was mean't to talk outside
with the Luxembourg PM
but the Loud protestors have stopped our PM going outside
So only Bettel was talking.


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Boris the snowflake.

He's desperate to go to prison by the looks of things.

[arista]

He's desperate to go to prison by the looks of things.




No Prison for the PM
They are getting out legally
by going around the Parliament legislation.


Dominic Cummings/ PM Johnson.


[the UK's departure on 31 October is already written into law. ]

[arista]

Slim those few British Protestors
had Loud Hailers
So no way would we be able to hear him talk.

[Twosugars]

UK is a laughing stock :facepalm:

[The Slim Reaper]

Slim those few British Protestors
had Loud Hailers
So no way would we be able to hear him talk.

Bless his ickle cotton socks, the poor boy.

[The Slim Reaper]

No Prison for the PM
They are getting out legally
by going around the Parliament legislation.


Dominic Cummings/ PM Johnson.


[the UK's departure on 31 October is already written into law. ]

How are they getting round it legally Arista the barrister?

[arista]

How are they getting round it legally Arista the barrister?



You will Find Out
closer to the 31st

[The Slim Reaper]

You will Find Out
closer to the 31st

So you don't know?

[Twosugars]

That was extraordinary. Boris Johnson, the British prime minister, has just been humiliated by the leader of almost the tiniest country in the European Union.

We were expecting a joint, open-air press conference but, with a large crowd of anti-Brexit campaigners threatening to drown out Johnson, it was announced that the British PM was not going to take part (presumably because of the demonstration, although that has not officially been confirmed yet). Normally in these circumstances the polite thing to do is to re-arrange. But instead Xavier Bettel, the prime minister of Luxembourg, just went ahead anyway, effectively “empty chairing” his guest. At one point he even gestured at the space where Johnson was supposed to be.

And then Xavier just let rip. People often wonder what EU leaders say or think about Johnson in private. Well, now we know. The leave campaign was a pack of lies, Johnson’s talk of progress in the Brexit talk is unfounded, the UK still has not come up with any ideas about an alternative to the backstop. On and on he went, with particular emphasis on the point that the UK, not the EU, was to blame for the crisis. It was a “nightmare” for EU citizens, said Bettel. At several points he was loudly applauded by the protesters, because they felt he was articulating their anger.


The Guardian

[arista]

So you don't know?


Yes I do.
But it's not legally Public

[Twosugars]

Arista in cahoots with the clown and his gang?

You've heard it here first

[arista]

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[lime]

Johnson PM was mean't to talk outside
with the Luxembourg PM
but the Loud protestors have stopped our PM going outside
So only Bettel was talking.


1173575271431233536

1173600989993193475

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1173605545514864641/xMl77T-l?format=jpg&name=small
[Boris Johnson has just been humiliated by PM of tiniest country in EU]

Nobody stopped your Pm..He chose not to..

[arista]

Nobody stopped your Pm..He chose not to..



Correct
but the Mob was too loud,
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[arista]

1173609356149108746





https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEl-rFmWsAMfs95?format=jpg&name=small

[Kazanne]

UK is a laughing stock :facepalm:

Only because idiots get so hysterical that they wont let him talk or hear him,shame they might learn something,it's like the bully kids in school that wont let anyone have a say,also the EU is as corrupt as they come.

[arista]

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[Twosugars]

Only because idiots get so hysterical that they wont let him talk or hear him,shame they might learn something,it's like the bully kids in school that wont let anyone have a say,also the EU is as corrupt as they come.

Where's the proof that EU is corrupt?

[joeysteele]

He's scared of people with different views to him so hides away.

He's supposed to be seriously negotiating for the whole UK on the World stage.

What is more telling is, the Luxembourg leader stating he's presented nothing at all of substance.
So more deceit from this total idiot, however dangerous idiot the UK is saddled with as PM.

What a disaster he is still heading to be.

Good to see his deceit, his lies and his buffoonery doesn't impress across the world.
Except for Trump and his hard-line Con suporters.

[Nicky91]

Only because idiots get so hysterical that they wont let him talk or hear him,shame they might learn something,it's like the bully kids in school that wont let anyone have a say,also the EU is as corrupt as they come.

i beg to differ, they made good choices who to be the president of EU, president of european commission, vice president of european commission, who to lead the green new deal plans

everything is discussed thoroughly in european parliament, apart from some loons who like to troll there and not take the EU serious, farage and those brexit party MEPs

[joeysteele]

i beg to differ, they made good choices who to be the president of EU, president of european commission, vice president of european commission, who to lead the green new deal plans

everything is discussed thoroughly in european parliament, apart from some loons who like to troll there and not take the EU serious, farage and those brexit party MEPs

Dead right Nicky.

What a Nation we have been sending as MEPs to the EU, those who want to destroy it.
As you say like the bigot Farage.

Unbelievable.

[The Slim Reaper]

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When people tell the truth to the british people, half of us put our fingers in our ears and cover our eyes, and pretend they are lying to us, to prevent them losing some imaginary perk.

[arista]

He's scared of people with different views to him so hides away.

He's supposed to be seriously negotiating for the whole UK on the World stage.

What is more telling is, the Luxembourg leader stating he's presented nothing at all of substance.
So more deceit from this total idiot, however dangerous idiot the UK is saddled with as PM.

What a disaster he is still heading to be.

Good to see his deceit, his lies and his buffoonery doesn't impress across the world.
Except for Trump and his hard-line Con supporters.


Can you imagine it Outside
he try's to talk
the Clever Protestors
use Battery charged Loud Hailers


JohnsonPM
wanted it inside the building
but they refused.

[arista]

When people tell the truth to the British people, half of us put our fingers in our ears and cover our eyes, and pretend they are lying to us, to prevent them losing some imaginary perk.


No we are aware its nothing to do with the EU
its our own choice , our own vote
thanks to David Cameron.