Boris has asked the Queen to suspend Parliment, The Queen has now approved

[Twosugars]

You might describe Boris as a 'clown' or use it as you feel it makes your opinion more valid,but it doesn't , as most of us know he is NOT a clown,he is a clever guy,he may come across as a 'clown' but that in itself is a clever move,just because the opposition keep blocking Brexit,does not make the other party stupid or 'clowns' but saying that I'de rather be called a 'clown' than a coward which is what Corbyn seems to be :wavey:

Dont lie Kazanne. The brexit ultras blocked brexit time and time again by not supporting May's deal.

Did you know johnson was sacked twice for lying? And he is lying again about non existent negotiations. He is a lying clown

[arista]

Labour want a General Election in Late Nov.


Reports say.

[Twosugars]

Typical left..breaking rules deliberately to suit thier own agenda.

Dont lie, I'm not breaking any rules. Bc was allowed by Josy. Take it up with her, big guy :D

[Alf]

Dont lie Kazanne. The brexit ultras blocked brexit time and time again by not supporting May's deal.

Did you know johnson was sacked twice for lying? And he is lying again about non existent negotiations. He is a lying clownMay's deal wasn't Brexit, it kept us tied to the EU, that's why it was rejected. May was a remainer before the referendum, she was a remainer during her Premiership and she's a remainer now.

[arista]

Farage says he's willing to come together to make a pact with Johnson to target seats, if Johnson wants to go for a clean break Brexit. Farage says he has 630 candidates ready to go.


Yes he has been saying that for some time.
But so far PM Johnson has not spoken to Farage.
So unless he does
its up in the air

[Alf]

Labour want a General Election in Late Nov.


Reports say.chick chick, chick chick chicken, lay a little egg for me.

Chick chick. Chick chick chicken, I want one for my tea

I haven't had an egg since Easter. and now it's half past three

So chick chick. Chick chick chicken. Lay a little egg for me

[Twosugars]

May's deal wasn't Brexit, it kept us tied to the EU, that's why it was reject. May was a remainer before the referendum, she was a remainer during her Premiership and she's a remainer now.

Theres no mandate for hard brexit

[arista]

Theres no mandate for hard brexit


At the moment , there is not
Correct

[Twosugars]

chick chick, chick chick chicken, lay a little egg for me.

Chick chick. Chick chick chicken, I want one for my tea

I haven't had an egg since Easter. and now it's half past three

So chick chick. Chick chick chicken. Lay a little egg for me

:laugh:

Upset the clown's ruse didnt work.

Bc nobody trusts the liar :hee:

[Alf]

Theres no mandate for hard brexitThere's no such thing as hard Brexit. We voted to leave, so let's leave.

I've just made up a new saying "Hard remaining" nonsense, isn't it?

[Twosugars]

There's no such thing as hard Brexit. We voted to leave, so let's leave.

I've just made up a new saying "Hard remaining" nonsense, isn't it?

People were promised a deal by the leave side.

Or was it another lie?

[Alf]

:laugh:

Upset the clown's ruse didnt work.

Bc nobody trusts the liar :hee:Sometimes Politician's have to lie, I expect it, it's always happened, they all lie from time to time. But do I want a leader to represent us to be a cowardly chicken, nah, I don't.

[Nicky91]

People were promised a deal by the leave side.

Or was it another lie?

more like false promises, false hopes given by the upper class brexiteer elite


since what do they have to gain with a deal, nothing


and they won't struggle at all after a no deal brexit, even more so these upper class will even get any richer



middle class and poor in britain however they will struggle a lot after a no deal

[Alf]

Corbyn in May: "we need to have a General Election"

Corbyn in June: We need to have a General Election"

Corbyn in July: We need to have a General Election"

Corbyn in August: We need to have a General Election"

Johnson in September: Let's have a General Election"

Corbyn in September: "I'm going home, my dinners ready"

[The Slim Reaper]

I think Alf is having a breakdown, somebody call a doctor.

[Alf]

I think Alf is having a breakdown, somebody call a doctor.I'll take that as a victory.

[The Slim Reaper]

I'll take that as a victory.

You're welcome to it if you believe your hysterical, multi-page, fact free, diatribe bears any relation to reality.

[Alf]

You're welcome to it if you believe your hysterical, multi-page, fact free, diatribe bears any relation to reality.Let's hear the facts then, the stage is all yours.

[joeysteele]

What is actually being missed is.
We had a referendum in 2016 which produced a narrow 3.8% majority of those who voted.
Fine.
Yes the vote was to leave.

Then there was, after that referendum, a year later a full general election.
Only 2 years after the last one.

No candidate in that election on a Party manifesto, who won a seat, fought on a NO DEAL brexit.

The voters sent all these MPs to Parliament.
This was their choice 2 years after the previous election and one year after the referendum.

Now, it's wrong to revisit the referendum result again.
However it's fine to hold another election
A third in 4 years.

It is dead right to make sure NO DEAL is out the way before an election.
Or a pause on its possibility until after any election.

The failure of this government to secure this as a Parliamentary brexit rather than just a government one.
Is why we are in this mess.

Also all votes on brexit in Parliament, should have been for all Parties, free votes at the very least.

Johnson is really the worst possible PM the UK could have at this time.
His word to individuals, Country and even Parliament, near meaningless and untrustworthy.

If Labour in government were acting like this, expelling MPs from their Party, after multi decades of service.
Also riding recklessly over votes in Parliamentary votes.
They would be derided and rightly condemned universally for it.
Me one of the first doing so too.

This is the Parliament the voters elected only a year after the referendum.
This is the Parliament the voters elected to deliver brexit.

If a new election is again now necessary, the 3rd in only 4 years.
Then it must not in my view anyway, be held until at least November once crashing out with no deal on 31st October is removed as a likelihood.

This PM can easily get domestic agendas done.
Restore the MPs he's expelled.
They still support his domestic agenda.
He still has the DUP on board too.

No need for a general election at all until brexit is ready to move to the next phase.
Then have an election for voters to decide which Party is best to deal in that next phase.

Or simply, put NO DEAL and REMAIN choices to the voters in another referendum.

This mess is of this government's and this PM and some of his present Cabinet's own making since THEY stabbed in the back, their last leader's efforts.
Voting down her deal to follow their own more extreme agenda re brexit.

[The Slim Reaper]

Let's hear the facts then, the stage is all yours.

You've shown time and again that you're impervious to facts, so there's no point.

I'll be honest here, I think no deal brexit will be the only way we can move forward as a country. Brexit is a doomsday cult, and you need to see it for yourselves.

None of this was mentioned in the leave campaign, and look how easily you've convinced yourselves that you wanted no deal all along, despite the warnings of most of the leave campaign.

I could point out that BJ wrote 2 columns on brexit. 1) why I voted for brexit 2) why I voted against brexit. He waited to see what happened before pretending he was on the right side. He's a chancer using you guys for personal ambition, and you can't see it.

[Kazanne]

chick chick, chick chick chicken, lay a little egg for me.

Chick chick. Chick chick chicken, I want one for my tea

I haven't had an egg since Easter. and now it's half past three

So chick chick. Chick chick chicken. Lay a little egg for me

:joker::joker:aint that the truth Alf.

[Kazanne]

Sometimes Politician's have to lie, I expect it, it's always happened, they all lie from time to time. But do I want a leader to represent us to be a cowardly chicken, nah, I don't.

It's ok people banging on about getting a deal,what if the EU doesn't give us a deal ? what do they want us to do then ?

[The Slim Reaper]

:joker::joker:aint that the truth Alf.

It's not true Kaz. They'll give them an election as soon as no deal on 31/10 is off the table. You can't expect politicians to vote to make their constituents poorer, and if a candidate in your area was promising that in the lead to an election, there's no way you'd vote for them.

[The Slim Reaper]

It's ok people banging on about getting a deal,what if the EU doesn't give us a deal ? what do they want us to do then ?

A deal isn't one side giving the other side a deal. We want to leave and still trade with the eu, so it's up to us to make a deal, not eu.

[Alf]

It's not true Kaz. They'll give them an election as soon as no deal on 31/10 is off the table. You can't expect politicians to vote to make their constituents poorer, and if a candidate in your area was promising that in the lead to an election, there's no way you'd vote for them.And when Boris wins big at the General Election, he'll just put no deal back on the table, and then leave. Until Brexit is complete, it's never going away, even if it takes over 20 years.

[arista]

"another referendum."


No Joey
its General Election Only.

[Alf]

It's ok people banging on about getting a deal,what if the EU doesn't give us a deal ? what do they want us to do then ?They want us to stay in, that's their goal. They're quite fond of our money, and would like to take an interest in our military, long term.

[joeysteele]

It's ok people banging on about getting a deal,what if the EU doesn't give us a deal ? what do they want us to do then ?

They already have..
A deal the Lady you so seemed to admire agreed with them
That was voted down by this PM you now so admire and many of his Cabinet too.

Oppositions aren't there to help governments they have no input in.

Read history..
The NHS the Cons voted against every move to bring thst in.

The Cons voted against every step of a minimum wage.

She had a deal from the EU.
It's her own extreme MPs, now the Cabinet who defeated her and that deal, no one else.

It's still there, Rory Stewart said it should be brought back for a vote.
Stephen Kinnock agrees.

Why doesn't your new hero Johnson just try that one more time.
May wanted to bring it back after talks with Labour.
However she was FORCED to resign.

He could probably get that deal passed I think.

That's some real facts for you.

[Nicky91]

They want us to stay in, that's their goal. They're quite fond of our money, and would like to take an interest in our military, long term.

wow the delusion and arrogance here


EU has grown sick and tired of this never ending brexit chaotic mess, britain only made a fool of themselves even more than you guys already did

[The Slim Reaper]

And when Boris wins big at the General Election, he'll just put no deal back on the table, and then leave. Until Brexit is complete, it's never going away, even if it takes over 20 years.

We are in agreement with that. That's why I said you death cultists need to see what it is before we can move forward as a country.

I can't blame the politicians trying to protect people from the pain of a no deal because it's the right thing to do, but ultimately I believe BJ will win the election and then the petty little entitled gimp that he is will not only force pain on the public, but he'll want revenge too, and nobody will win in this case.

[Alf]

wow the delusion and arrogance here


EU has grown sick and tired of this never ending brexit chaotic mess, britain only made a fool of themselves even more than you guys already didBless them, the poor souls are sick and tired of us.

[Alf]

We are in agreement with that. That's why I said you death cultists need to see what it is before we can move forward as a country.

I can't blame the politicians trying to protect people from the pain of a no deal because it's the right thing to do, but ultimately I believe BJ will win the election and then the petty little entitled gimp that he is will not only force pain on the public, but he'll want revenge too, and nobody will win in this case.Not really a death cult is it? Unless you think having your vote implemented is a death cult? Or do you think wanting independence is a death cult?

[Nicky91]

Bless them, the poor souls are sick and tired of us.

well the brexit party goons were the only ones ever who trolled in european parliament

if you guys wanted the EU to take you serious, well you threw that last bit of hope in the garbage bin

but trolling in european parliament was confirmation (at least for me personally) that EU is better off without you british in it

[Kazanne]

They already have..
A deal the Lady you so seemed to admire agreed with them
That was voted down by this PM you now so admire and many of his Cabinet too.

Oppositions aren't there to help governments they have no input in.

Read history..
The NHS the Cons voted against every move to bring thst in.

The Cons voted against every step of a minimum wage.

She had a deal from the EU.
It's her own extreme MPs, now the Cabinet who defeated her and that deal, no one else.

It's still there, Rory Stewart said it should be brought back for a vote.
Stephen Kinnock agrees.

Why doesn't your new hero Johnson just try that one more time.
May wanted to bring it back after talks with Labour.
However she was FORCED to resign.

He could probably get that deal passed I think.

That's some real facts for you.

Joey,you get me wrong,I don't admire any of them,they are all in it for themselves on all sides, I dont really care whether we stay or leave ,BUT, I do feel that those who voted leave must feel very let down ,and as much as they are told they didnt know what they were voting for,they found out very soon after and they still 3 years later still want to leave either way ,plus it does seem very patronising from some of the Mps to tell people that they dont know what they are doing or voting for, It just seems at the moment the people have been forgotten and the MPs have made it all about them.:wavey: I just think the name calling on both sides is childish and people need to grow up and remember the people of the country.

[smudgie]

wow the delusion and arrogance here


EU has grown sick and tired of this never ending brexit chaotic mess, britain only made a fool of themselves even more than you guys already did

The EU can get rid of us easily by saying goodbye on the 31st October if they are really sick of us.
The ball is in their court.:shrug:

[Alf]

well the brexit party goons were the only ones ever who trolled in european parliament

if you guys wanted the EU to take you serious, well you threw that last bit of hope in the garbage bin

but trolling in european parliament was confirmation (at least for me personally) that EU is better off without you british in itMaybe the Brexit party goons were the only ones to ever troll in the European Parliament because they're not obedient, submissive cowards?

[Niamh.]

The EU can get rid of us easily by saying goodbye on the 31st October if they are really sick of us.
The ball is in their court.:shrug:

They would be throwing Ireland under the bus by doing that, but **** us eh?

[The Slim Reaper]

Not really a death cult is it? Unless you think having your vote implemented is a death cult? Or do you think wanting independence is a death cult?

Everyone has tried for years to implement your vote though, that's what you don't see. We were told how easy it would be to get a deal, that we'd hold all the cards and would be able to bend the eu to our will, and Merkel would come to us begging for a deal.

I'm sorry Alf, but the fact you were promised a unicorn that is impossible to deliver because you were lied to is not any fault of 1 single remain voter, or any single labour politician.

So now, instead of your anger being directed at those who promised you the world, you're blaming everyone else but them, to the point you are willing to screw over your friends and neighbours to get the victory you believe you're owed.

When you know the consequences will lead to pain, shortages, suffering, and death, then yes, it's e deathcult.

The government are stockpiling body bags for no deal brexit. Why would any sane person not be instantly appalled by that?

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/1C7B/production/_108619270_metro.jpg

[joeysteele]

Joey,you get me wrong,I don't admire any of them,they are all in it for themselves on all sides, I dont really care whether we stay or leave ,BUT, I do feel that those who voted leave must feel very let down ,and as much as they are told they didnt know what they were voting for,they found out very soon after and they still 3 years later still want to leave either way ,plus it does seem very patronising from some of the Mps to tell people that they dont know what they are doing or voting for, It just seems at the moment the people have been forgotten and the MPs have made it all about them.:wavey: I just think the name calling on both sides is childish and people need to grow up and remember the people of the country.


I'll ask you one question Kazanne.

Do YOU really believe all the people who voted leave, that 17.4 million.
Forget the over 16 million who voted remain if you must.
However do YOU believe all who voted leave wanted NO DEAL.
If you do, fine that explains your stance.

If you don't however believe they all wanted no deal.
Then in fairness to them too that didn't vote for no deal, how is it wrong for politicians to ensure no deal is off the table totally.

Otherwise no deal, is then surely going against the bigger majority of all who voted in that referendum.
If no deal is pursued by Johnson and co.

[The Slim Reaper]

Maybe the Brexit party goons were the only ones to ever troll in the European Parliament because they're not obedient, submissive cowards?

We're not at war with them Alf; they're exactly the same as us but they just live a bit further away and have different languages.

You talf of obedience as a dirty word, while you bow down in complete acceptance to anything Nigel says. Even you must see the confusion?

[Alf]

Everyone has tried for years to implement your vote though, that's what you don't see. We were told how easy it would be to get a deal, that we'd hold all the cards and would be able to bend the eu to our will, and Merkel would come to us begging for a deal.

I'm sorry Alf, but the fact you were promised a unicorn that is impossible to deliver because you were lied to is not any fault of 1 single remain voter, or any single labour politician.

So now, instead of your anger being directed at those who promised you the world, you're blaming everyone else but them, to the point you are willing to screw over your friends and neighbours to get the victory you believe you're owed.

When you know the consequences will lead to pain, shortages, suffering, and death, then yes, it's e deathcult.

The government are stockpiling body bags for no deal brexit. Why would any sane person not be instantly appalled by that?Do you know what the easiest thing to do is? Just leave. Get out while we can before mainland Europe erupts, which it will, it always has done.

[Alf]

We're not at war with them Alf; they're exactly the same as us but they just live a bit further away and have different languages.

You talf of obedience as a dirty word, while you bow down in complete acceptance to anything Nigel says. Even you must see the confusion?Bow down to Nigel? I didn't even vote for his party in the Euro elections. So why would I bow down to him?

[The Slim Reaper]

Do you know what the easiest thing to do is? Just leave. Get out while we can before mainland Europe erupts, which it will, it always has done.

See, I give you a reasoned response addressing where this whole crapshoot went wrong, and you just ignore it and go back to the zombie-esque "leave, leave"

It's not a level playing field when one side just won't even listen to facts anymore.

Look at the content of my post you just ignored. Wake the fcuk up.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/154FB/production/_108619278_express.jpg

[Alf]

Anyway, I'm done for now, I'm gonna go do a few hours work, but it was nice chatting with you my right honourable friend. I'll catch back up later on.

[arista]

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[smudgie]

They would be throwing Ireland under the bus by doing that, but **** us eh?

Ah, didn’t think about that Niamh.
I don’t understand why the borders need to change in Ireland/Northern Ireland.
Neither the EU, Island of Ireland or Britain wants that.
We can check for any big time smuggling in our own ports, and any smuggling on the Island of Ireland would happen with or without borders.

[Kazanne]

I'll ask you one question Kazanne.

Do YOU really believe all the people who voted leave, that 17.4 million.
Forget the over 16 million who voted remain if you must.
However do YOU believe all who voted leave wanted NO DEAL.
If you do, fine that explains your stance.

If you don't however believe they all wanted no deal.
Then in fairness to them too that didn't vote for no deal, how is it wrong for politicians to ensure no deal is off the table totally.

Otherwise no deal, is then surely going against the bigger majority of all who voted in that referendum.
If no deal is pursued by Johnson and co.

Some probably didn't realise some of the implications Joey,some just want to get out and be independant ,they all had their own reasons,I think some people think the doom and gloom stories are highly exaggerated and will kick against that, and as for those who found out what some think the implications will be have known for all of 3 years as they keep getting told what could happen,those people still want to leave as far as I can see,yes it would be better with a deal, but 3 deals were rejected by parliament ,a no deal is rejected,people are just fed up of it now and dont care how we come out, I do think the 'body bags' stories are very exaggerated and not helpful.:wavey:

[Niamh.]

Ah, didn’t think about that Niamh.
I don’t understand why the borders need to change in Ireland/Northern Ireland.
Neither the EU, Island of Ireland or Britain wants that.
We can check for any big time smuggling in our own ports, and any smuggling on the Island of Ireland would happen with or without borders.

Alot of people aren't thinking about that Smudgie or just don't care. The DUP won't support what you suggested because they don't want to be "different" to the rest of the UK, it's selfish and dangerous, they are different to the rest of the UK whether they want to admit it or not

[Beso]

well the brexit party goons were the only ones ever who trolled in european parliament

if you guys wanted the EU to take you serious, well you threw that last bit of hope in the garbage bin

but trolling in european parliament was confirmation (at least for me personally) that EU is better off without you british in it


Trolling..Farage has been a breath of fresh air..his speeches especially.

[The Slim Reaper]

Some probably didn't realise some of the implications Joey,some just want to get out and be independant ,they all had their own reasons,I think some people think the doom and gloom stories are highly exaggerated and will kick against that, and as for those who found out what some think the implications will be have known for all of 3 years as they keep getting told what could happen,those people still want to leave as far as I can see,yes it would be better with a deal, but 3 deals were rejected by parliament ,a no deal is rejected,people are just fed up of it now and dont care how we come out, I do think the 'body bags' stories are very exaggerated and not helpful.:wavey:

Reported by the guy who wrote parts of the yellowhammer report for Boris Johnson. It was written by the people that are pushing a no-deal, not by remainer scaremongers.

If potential power, fuel, and medicine shortages don't scare you as a mother, then neither should body bags, I guess.

We all have the right to choose what things we believe or what we at least believe to be important, but I can't grasp why any parent would be willing to take that risk. I'm not criticising or judging you, i'm just trying to understand.

[The Slim Reaper]

Anyway, I'm done for now, I'm gonna go do a few hours work, but it was nice chatting with you my right honourable friend. I'll catch back up later on.

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[joeysteele]

Some probably didn't realise some of the implications Joey,some just want to get out and be independant ,they all had their own reasons,I think some people think the doom and gloom stories are highly exaggerated and will kick against that, and as for those who found out what some think the implications will be have known for all of 3 years as they keep getting told what could happen,those people still want to leave as far as I can see,yes it would be better with a deal, but 3 deals were rejected by parliament ,a no deal is rejected,people are just fed up of it now and dont care how we come out, I do think the 'body bags' stories are very exaggerated and not helpful.:wavey:



Nor it is being helpful telling people all is going to be fine after a no deal brexit too.
Without knowing what may well be the case.

A lot of billions are being spent on leaving with no deal to offset problems that will happen.
The government must know all won't be fine spending and adding more billions to the likely problems.

Would you put your own family in a place, you had no idea what it was going to be like, not knowing fully of all dangers even just possible.
Because I wouldn't, never.

I do not believe all who voted leave wanted no deal.
It was never policy of any Party elected in 2017.


I know loads of people who voted leave and still would but not wanting to,and wouldn't vote for a no deal scenario.

Anyway, you seem to think leave regardless of any consequences is necessary, even not knowing how many of those 17+ million who voted leave actually wanting no deal.
I could never risk unforeseen consequences or support anyone advocating them.

[Samm]

Trolling..Farage has been a breath of fresh air..his speeches especially.

A breathe of fresh air coming straight from 1930s germany more like

[Beso]

A breathe of fresh air coming straight from 1930s germany more like

So you haven't listened to any of them then.:shrug:

Give them a go, they were well recieved by more people than expected.

[arista]

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Early AM BBC1

Edit. 24 seconds

[Nicky91]

So you haven't listened to any of them then.:shrug:

Give them a go, they were well recieved by more people than expected.

so was Hitler's party in the 30's :idc:


Farage in power of UK would be a complete nightmare, the start of world war 3, i see dictator potential in Nigel

[Twosugars]

A breathe of fresh air coming straight from 1930s germany more like

Very true.

He wants to sell off the country including nhs, traitor and racist

[Beso]

so was Hitler's party in the 30's :idc:


Farage in power of UK would be a complete nightmare, the start of world war 3, i see dictator potential in Nigel

So was blair speeches in the 90s..Maggie in the 80s...etc etc...

[Twosugars]

another example of the lying right wing press manipulating news and reality
while the sun in england has a photo of corbyn as chicken on its front cover
the scottish version of the same rag is pushing a different take on the same events

https://i.imgur.com/j4xpEwyl.jpg

[arista]

[12:48

New motion for general election
to be brought on Monday

Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg
told the House a motion relating
to an early general election has been
scheduled for consideration in the
Commons on Monday.]

[MTVN]

another example of the lying right wing press manipulating news and reality
while the sun in england has a photo of corbyn as chicken on its front cover
the scottish version of the same rag is pushing a different take on the same events

https://i.imgur.com/j4xpEwyl.jpg

Don't see the problem, they have different editors and a different readership

The Scottish Sun supported Scottish independence in 2014 I believe

Edit - can't find evidence of that now so might be wrong but they have supported the SNP before

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/sun11.jpg?strip=all&w=567&quality=100"]https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/sun11.jpg?strip=all&w=567&quality=100

[Twosugars]

Very cynical. They should have different titles and title fonts.

[arista]

1169593755449647104


For Twosugars
Owen wants Boris Johnson
to be the shortest PM ever?

[Twosugars]

Trolling..Farage has been a breath of fresh air..his speeches especially.

Fresh air? More like stench of bigotry

[Twosugars]

1169593755449647104


For Twosugars
Owen wants Boris Johnson
to be the shortest PM ever?

He is a chancer not a serious politician

[Mystic Mock]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/91AB/production/_108619273_the-sun.jpg

It's nice to see that the guy that hacked peoples phone calls is having his Newspaper be as impartial as ever when it comes to Politics.

[Tom4784]

Wouldn't any government that gets elected on October 15th be able to overturn the legislation to extend the exit date?

Unless the opposition is thinking that Boris Johnson is going to say Oct 15th to get the vote for the election, then change the date to after Oct 31st, which would be extraordinary.

I wouldn't put it past Boris though, he's lost all his votes so far and by proroguing the government, he's shown that he's willing to play dirty.

I also don't think there would be enough time for a new government form and try to prevent a no deal brexit, This whole election play on Boris' part seems like a distraction, one that the other parties should only indulge him in if he agrees to a delay on the exit date.

[Tom4784]

Trolling..Farage has been a breath of fresh air..his speeches especially.

He plays on people's gullibility and he only has the corporation's interests that back him at heart.

He would also dismantile the NHS if given the opportunity for those said corporations so he can get ****ed.

He's an odious little goblin through and through.

[Twosugars]

I wouldn't put it past Boris though, he's lost all his votes so far and by proroguing the government, he's shown that he's willing to play dirty.

I also don't think there would be enough time for a new government form and try to prevent a no deal brexit, This whole election play on Boris' part seems like a distraction, one that the other parties should only indulge him in if he agrees to a delay on the exit date.

It's a cynical game to crash out of europe when no one is looking

[Mystic Mock]

The MPs already threw 'domocracy' out the door Vanessa when they didn't honour the peoples democratic vote .

The difference is though Kazanne is that Parliament doesn't have to listen to an advisory polling, especially with the fact that it was a very slim majority, and there actually was no option on there for a No Deal Brexit which I'm assuming that most of this country doesn't even want.

Where as Boris shutting down Parliament is no different from some of Putin's stuff in terms of being a dictator.

[Mystic Mock]

Very true.

He wants to sell off the country including nhs, traitor and racist

I'm loving this post.:clap1:

It's so true, anyone that wants to potentially put this country in financial danger is more of a traitor to this country than people not wanting to risk a no deal Brexit imo.

If people really truly care about this country then they should put their own personal issues aside and look at what the UK could be like in 20 to 30 years time if no deal Brexit happens? People can think that it's scaremongering all they like, but I'm taking experienced and intelligent people to do with finances word for what's gonna happen to this country if Brexit happens in general, than I am politicians who are trying to play with peoples emotions about the EU.

[joeysteele]

The difference is though Kazanne is that Parliament doesn't have to listen to an advisory polling, especially with the fact that it was a very slim majority, and there actually was no option on there for a No Deal Brexit which I'm assuming that most of this country doesn't even want.

Where as Boris shutting down Parliament is no different from some of Putin's stuff in terms of being a dictator.


That's unfortunately valid in your post.

This PM is acting like a bully boy whose gone even more power mad than he was before in my view Mock.

If this was any Labour leader acting this way.
The media, and rabid Con supporters would actually be right to be denouncing him or her as dangerous to true democracy

Just as this Con PM is doing but because he's a Con, it's fine for him to act in this blackmailing, threatening and bullying fashion.

[Vanessa]

The MPs already threw 'domocracy' out the door Vanessa when they didn't honour the peoples democratic vote .

Im all for honouring what people want. But no deal would be a disaster for everyone. I think maybe a delay is best, so we could leave with a good deal.

[Vanessa]

That's unfortunately valid in your post.

This PM is acting like a bully boy whose gone even more power mad than he was before in my view Mock.

If this was any Labour leader acting this way.
The media, and rabid Con supporters would actually be right to be denouncing him or her as dangerous to true democracy

Just as this Con PM is doing but because he's a Con, it's fine for him to act in this blackmailing, threatening and bullying fashion.
I preferred Theresa May. At least she tried to get the deal through. She almost did it, she was so close!

[Tom4784]

I hate the whole 'it's the will of the people!' bull****.

How do you know that 'the people' want a no deal brexit? people who spout that crap are essentially transplanting their own wants onto millions of people.

[Vanessa]

I hate the whole 'it's the will of the people!' bull****.

How do you know that 'the people' want a no deal brexit? people who spout that crap are essentially transplanting their own wants onto millions of people.

Exactly. I think most people would prefer to leave with a deal, if possible.

[arista]

I preferred Theresa May. At least she tried to get the deal through. She almost did it, she was so close!


No she was Pathetic
Wasted 3 years.

[joeysteele]

I preferred Theresa May. At least she tried to get the deal through. She almost did it, she was so close!

Hi Vanessa.
I have never liked Theresa May however I did say and repeatedly on here, MPs should have voted her agreement with the EU through.

I still think, the very slightly amended agreement after her talks with Labour.
Shelved with her being forced to resign.
Is as Rory Stewart said, the deal still in a locker.
That is a valid deal which should be put to Parliament again.

Of course who won't do that.
The current PM of course.
Because he and the vast majority of his extreme Cabinet he appointed, don't want a deal, any deal.
They want to bully their way to get only 'no deal' as brexit.

Anyway they can, cheating and lying too.

[Kazanne]

I preferred Theresa May. At least she tried to get the deal through. She almost did it, she was so close!

And so is he going for a deal,he said IF he gets no deal we will have THEN have to leave without one,what more can he do if MPs are blocking him :shrug: and what do you think any of the others can do ?

[arista]

One Crazy Story going around
Cummings /Johnson are trying to get One EU
nation to Block the Labour Brexit Extension Plan

That would Cost Big Secret money.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/12DEB/production/_108619277_the-i.jpg

[Twosugars]

One Crazy Story going around
Cummings /Johnson are trying to get One EU
nation to Block the Labour Brexit Extension Plan

That would Cost Big money.

They could veto it themselves
Ask for it and then veto it

Anything is possible with these people.

[The Slim Reaper]

And so is he going for a deal,he said IF he gets no deal we will have THEN have to leave without one,what more can he do if MPs are blocking him :shrug: and what do you think any of the others can do ?

He's done nothing to suggest he's going for a deal. He says he is, but he's offered nothing to eu, and given nothing to mp's, and he's even cut the deal team in half. On top of that he's a liar.

[joeysteele]

And so is he going for a deal,he said IF he gets no deal we will have THEN have to leave without one,what more can he do if MPs are blocking him :shrug: and what do you think any of the others can do ?

The EU have said he's presented and is not presenting still anything to try to get a deal.

The negotiations are in paralysis.

He's doing nothing.
Just lying to the Country and Parlianent.

Every news source and political programme has confirmed he's done nothing.
He doesn't intend to.
He wants no deal.
It's all he's aiming for with his brexit hard-line Cabinet.

Nothing just about, that comes out his mouth can be trusted or believed.
The EU have had nothing new whatsoever from him.

Parliament has asked him to present any ideas or proposals of any deal he is seeking.
He's presented nothing to Parliament either, because he has nothing to present.
Because he has no intention of seeking a deal.

Its also why he wants to shut down Parliament for another 5 weeks.
To let the clock run down.

It should be obvious to anyone and everyone.

[Twosugars]

When sensible people in the party are thrown out it's time to conclude nutters have taken over

[arista]

When sensible people in the party are thrown out it's time to conclude nutters have taken over



This Morning The PM
met with The Leader of Israel
in 10 Downing St.

He is Not a Nutter

[Twosugars]

This Morning The PM
met with The Leader of Israel
in 10 Downing St.

He is Not a Nutter

Dont get me started on Netanyahu :laugh:

[Beso]

He's done nothing to suggest he's going for a deal. He says he is, but he's offered nothing to eu, and given nothing to mp's, and he's even cut the deal team in half. On top of that he's a liar.

But isn't that because it's still mays original deal that's on the table?

[arista]

[I understand from a palace source that Boris Johnson
will travel to Balmoral tomorrow and stay with the Queen tomorrow night.
Plenty to talk about with her 14th prime minister

5:12 PM - Sep 5, 2019]


Tweet by SkyNewsHD reporter

[arista]

The PM is Live in Wakefield
now
all media loads of Cadet Police behind him

[17:22
Johnson: It's vital that public have trust in the police. ]

[The Slim Reaper]

But isn't that because it's still mays original deal that's on the table?

No, that's completely off the table. He's done less than nothing to work on his own deal, y'know, the one he told folks like you he could get done if he was elected leader/pm.

[arista]

Johnson PM just said he would rather be Dead
in a Ditch, than not go Out of the EU in 31st October


Live

[The Slim Reaper]

Johnson PM just said he would rather be Dead
in a Ditch, than not go Out of the EU in 31st October


Live

The peoples vote we deserve :smug:

[arista]

The peoples vote we deserve :smug:

No its a General Election ONLY

[Twosugars]

Johnson PM just said he would rather be Dead
in a Ditch, than not go Out of the EU in 31st October


Live

The problem with him is he talks crap

Last year he claimed he had more chances of being reincarnated as an avocado than becoming a prime minister yet here we are

[arista]

One Female Cadet behind him
had to sit down

[bots]

Johnson PM just said he would rather be Dead
in a Ditch, than not go Out of the EU in 31st October


Live

i've got a shovel and am ready to start digging

[arista]

The problem with him is he talks crap

Last year he claimed he had more chances of being reincarnated as an avocado than becoming a prime minister yet here we are


That's his Passion.

[Beso]

No, that's completely off the table. He's done less than nothing to work on his own deal, y'know, the one he told folks like you he could get done if he was elected leader/pm.

There's time yet.

[arista]

i've got a shovel and am ready to start digging


I am sure there is many

[Beso]

Johnson PM just said he would rather be Dead
in a Ditch, than not go Out of the EU in 31st October


Live




That's my kind of man..:clap1:

[The Slim Reaper]

There's time yet.

Maybe he needs to start then, because a deal that involves the member states agreeing and getting through parliament isn't a 2 day job.

The real problem is that as soon as they write anything down in a proposal it helps reveal what a sham brexit has been from the start. There is no deal he can get that's better than what we have as members, and that's the opposite of what they told you would happen,

[Alf]

The problem with him is he talks crap

Last year he claimed he had more chances of being reincarnated as an avocado than becoming a prime minister yet here we areis him talking crap a reason not to vote for him?

Because you know that means you can't vote for Corbyn either, if that's the case.

[The Slim Reaper]

That's my kind of man..:clap1:

What is it about brexit that convinced you that fcuk the consequences, just leave? That's a genuine question.

What if I could show you proof that we already have the ability to curb EU immigration under our current membership?

[Beso]

What is it about brexit that convinced you that fcuk the consequences, just leave? That's a genuine question.

What if I could show you proof that we already have the ability to curb EU immigration under our current membership?

I don't answer your questions yet.:nono:

[Twosugars]

is him talking crap a reason not to vote for him?

Because you know that means you can't vote for Corbyn either, if that's the case.

Talking crap has led to people not trusting him.
That's why he lost the vote for new elections.

[arista]

That's my kind of man..:clap1:



Shows the Trouble
he will not give up the 31st Oct
date.

But by Monday it may be legal that he has to,

[arista]

[I understand from a palace source that Boris Johnson
will travel to Balmoral tomorrow and stay with the Queen tomorrow night.
Plenty to talk about with her 14th prime minister

5:12 PM - Sep 5, 2019]


Tweet by SkyNewsHD reporter


Maybe he is going to ask the Queen to instruct a Election.

[Alf]

Doesn't matter how long it takes for an election to happen, there's gonna be one eventually, we've waited 3 and half years, a few months won't make any difference. And the Brexiteers will be waiting, Brexit isn't going away no matter how long they delay.

[Alf]

What's Corbyn's favourite Roy Orbison song?

Running scared

[arista]

[17:43

As Boris Johnson was winding up, a female police officer behind him had to sit down.
She appeared to be close to fainting,
prompting the PM to turn to her and ask "are you alright?"]

[Alf]

[17:43

As Boris Johnson was winding up, a female police officer behind him had to sit down.
She appeared to be close to fainting,
prompting the PM to turn to her and ask "are you alright?"]A very caring man is Mr Johnson.

It's not the first time he's shown his caring side, he also was very concerned for that little boy who he ran over whilst playing rugby.

[Twosugars]

[17:43

As Boris Johnson was winding up, a female police officer behind him had to sit down.
She appeared to be close to fainting,
prompting the PM to turn to her and ask "are you alright?"]

Was probably thinking of shagging her when she's down and out

[Twosugars]

Doesn't matter how long it takes for an election to happen, there's gonna be one eventually, we've waited 3 and half years, a few months won't make any difference. And the Brexiteers will be waiting, Brexit isn't going away no matter how long they delay.

Students are registering to vote in record numbers to see off bigots :dance:

[Kate!]

Students are registering to vote in record numbers to see off bigots :dance:

Woop.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDt1P8LXUAAgJXi?format=jpg&name=small

[bots]

Doesn't matter how long it takes for an election to happen, there's gonna be one eventually, we've waited 3 and half years, a few months won't make any difference. And the Brexiteers will be waiting, Brexit isn't going away no matter how long they delay.

That's not true. There was very little difference during the last vote, and since then there have been 3.5 years of pro EU voters joining the electorate. The longer it takes to resolve the issue, the more likely it is to be quashed

[Twosugars]

John Major speech tonight

“The legitimate concerns of those who have been banished from the party … seem to be worth nothing – unless they become cyphers, parroting the views of a prime minister influenced by a political anarchist, who cares not a fig for the future of the party I have served,” Major is scheduled to say.

“We have seen over-mighty advisers before. It is a familiar script. It always ends badly. I offer the prime minister some friendly advice: get rid of these advisers before they poison the political atmosphere beyond repair. And do it quickly.”

“The English nationalists affect not to care about separation. They care more about leaving Europe. But the collapse of unionism in England, and ambition for independence in Scotland, could lead to a calamitous outcome for us both,” he will say.
The Guardian

[Beso]

A political anarchist.....at ****ing last.

[Beso]

Students are registering to vote in record numbers to see off bigots :dance:

**** sake...we aint going to have many mps on either side left....oh what are we going to do...I know...


Nothing...absolutely nothing..:nono:

But judge the right...:wavey:

[Twosugars]

Conservatives should update their name to English Nationalist Party

[Beso]

Conservatives should update their name to English Nationalist Party

Nothing wrong in that...I would pack my bags and go back to scotland, with happy memories.

[Alf]

Students are registering to vote in record numbers to see off bigots :dance:Those students sound dangerous, you make them sound like they're coming out of their collage's with an enemy they're hunting.

[Alf]

That's not true. There was very little difference during the last vote, and since then there have been 3.5 years of pro EU voters joining the electorate. The longer it takes to resolve the issue, the more likely it is to be quashedYou know that the new voters are pro EU, because?

It's like you're telling me that young people are being programmed to become EU storm troopers. You're not telling me this are you?

[Twosugars]

You know that the new voters are pro EU, because?

It's like you're telling me that young people are being programmed to become EU storm troopers. You're not telling me this are you?

Bc the young are the most pro eu age group
They haven't been programmed by decades of reading Murdoch propaganda

[Denver]

So Boris has lawfully shut down parliament And appeals against it has been rejected

[The Slim Reaper]

So Boris has lawfully shut down parliament And appeals against it has been rejected

Going to the supreme court on the 17th. The issue is not whether he has the power to do it, but the fact he lied about his reasons and misled the public/parliament purposefully.

[joeysteele]

You know that the new voters are pro EU, because?

It's like you're telling me that young people are being programmed to become EU storm troopers. You're not telling me this are you?

I can't speak for all young new voters obviously but all the experts claim the vast majority of them are more forward looking to the World and more pro EU.

However just in my family, of the 20+ in number, just in my family who have reached voting age..

Only 2 would either not vote in a referendum or if they did vote to leave.
All the rest are pro remain.

However none will vote Conservative.
Most would vote Lib Dem the rest Labour.
Mine overall was a family of Conservative orientated set of voters up to 2012 too.

So just in my family, the change is strong.

Of course I'm sure others may have examples the other way.
I am just speaking of the knowledge I have from my own family.

I think it was made clear however that younger voters strongly voted remain.
With more older voters voting leave.
That seems the general post referendum analysis.

[Beso]

I can't speak for all young new voters obviously but all the experts claim the vast majority of them are more forward looking to the World and more pro EU.

However just in my family, of the 20+ in number, just in my family who have reached voting age..

Only 2 would either not vote in a referendum or if they did vote to leave.
All the rest are pro remain.

However none will vote Conservative.
Most would vote Lib Dem the rest Labour.
Mine overall was a family of Conservative orientated set of voters up to 2012 too.

So just in my family, the change is strong.

Of course I'm sure others may have examples the other way.
I am just speaking of the knowledge I have from my own family.

I think it was made clear however that younger voters strongly voted remain.
With more older voters voting leave.
That seems the general post referendum analysis.


The top part joey....

Im watching the morning news and it's live from a large factory that employs am lot of youngsters. ..they are all saying they want out.

[joeysteele]

The top part joey....

Im watching the morning news and it's live from a large factory that employs am lot of youngsters. ..they are all saying they want out.

Which is why I pointed out I can't speak for all obviously.

They could go to another factory and find all saying the opposite.


Which is why too, near the end of my post I fully conceded others may have opposite experiences to mine as to my own family.

What I hear from my family, I have found when canvassing too.

I'm always more leaning to what people say in person alone to me.
Rather than in a factory publicly stating a possible opposite view to their bosses.

It's why I think a referendum, not an election is best now, although I've changed my mind on a new referendum in the last ,6 months.
I'd only have 2 choices again.
This time leave with no deal, or remain.

Seems simple enough to me and breaks the deadlock with the answer.

If those who voted leave in 2016, REALLY were happy with a no deal.
Then they'd vote leave again.
I don't see the problem then.

[The Slim Reaper]

Which is why I pointed out I can't speak for all obviously.

They could go to another factory and find all saying the opposite.


Which is why too, near the end of my post I fully conceded others may have opposite experiences to mine as to my own family.

What I hear from my family, I have found when canvassing too.

I'm always more leaning to what people say in person alone to me.
Rather than in a factory publicly stating a possible opposite view to their bosses.

It's why I think a referendum, not an election is best now, although I've changed my mind on a new referendum in the last ,6 months.
I'd only have 2 choices again.
This time leave with no deal, or remain.

Seems simple enough to me and breaks the deadlock with the answer.

If those who voted leave in 2016, REALLY were happy with a no deal.
Then they'd vote leave again.
I don't see the problem then.

Young factory workers wanting brexit are analogous to turkeys voting for christmas.

They will do anything to avoid another referendum. JRM was asked about a 2nd referendum the other day and he said "we can't do that because the result would be overturned". They know they'd struggle to pull the wool over a majority of eyes for a 2nd time, and his ability to avoid paying tax is far more important than young factory workers being employed in 5 years time.

[user104658]

Young factory workers wanting brexit are analogous to turkeys voting for christmas.


All I want for Christmaaaaassss iiiiii-iiii-iiiiiissss...

My job outsourced to a developing economy as part of a suboptimal post-Brexit trade deal.

[The Slim Reaper]

All I want for Christmaaaaassss iiiiii-iiii-iiiiiissss...

My job outsourced to a developing economy as part of a suboptimal post-Brexit trade deal.

I don't want a lot this christmas...


that's fortunate because you'll be unemployed soon, so best keep the costs down, ey?

[joeysteele]

Young factory workers wanting brexit are analogous to turkeys voting for christmas.

They will do anything to avoid another referendum. JRM was asked about a 2nd referendum the other day and he said "we can't do that because the result would be overturned". They know they'd struggle to pull the wool over a majority of eyes for a 2nd time, and his ability to avoid paying tax is far more important than young factory workers being employed in 5 years time.

I agree with all you say.
Nothing to add.
In fact all your posts are very strong and reasoned on this issue I have to say.

[bots]

This from the official Conservatives twitter .... this is what we are going to get if there is an election

1169928730652733440

[The Slim Reaper]

Serious conservatives, the traditional law and order party complete their transformation into the reddit-esque memes and trump nationalist party.

I know the corbyn haters will laugh, but you should want ideas and leadership, not this bs.

[Scarlett.]

The funniest thing has got to be, whenever Boris loses, the £ goes up in value. Says it all really.

[Kazanne]

No wonder people get confused ,these people don't know what they are doing themselves,lol
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/9874598/labour-admit-its-brexit-policy-is-to-negotiate-new-deal-then-reject/

[Tom4784]

This from the official Conservatives twitter .... this is what we are going to get if there is an election

1169928730652733440

The right are terrible at memes, it is known. Boomer humour is just juvenile and devoid of wit.

[arista]

Johnson is not going to
do a Extension.
He is not going to resign.

Corbyn will want to take over
Upsetting the LibDems.


https://media1.giphy.com/media/x0GeFXErpcRk4/giphy.gif

[user104658]

No wonder people get confused ,these people don't know what they are doing themselves,lol
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/9874598/labour-admit-its-brexit-policy-is-to-negotiate-new-deal-then-reject/There's nothing confusing nor contradictory about this at all, though.

They would try to negotiate as good a deal as possible as a "safety net", but the best trade deal possible, is what we already have as full members of the EU. We already have the best possible deal. So we should try to keep it - but have a half decent backup plan if that's not possible.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1169665731581157377/Zx33lPrR?format=jpg&name=small


Take it Away Cummings and Johnson PM

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/ad_img/1169968154757537794/aHpRCfRc?format=jpg&name=small

But he does want a Election
after the Group with Labour
force a Brexit 3 month Extension.
Unless you Johnson PM have a plan out of this?

[Twosugars]

Lords have approved the bill to disallow no deal

[Liam-]

1169970678658998277

Even chicken shops are wrecking the Tories, how embarrassing

[arista]

Lords have approved the bill to disallow no deal



Johnson PM does not Care
he is going in person to Brussels
to set up a new deal, to leave on time
I do hope Cummings goes with him.

[Alf]

Bc the young are the most pro eu age group
They haven't been programmed by decades of reading Murdoch propagandaYes, I understand what the headline is, but tell me the meat of the argument, how do you know that young people are the most pro EU? Have you asked every single one of them?

[Alf]

I can't speak for all young new voters obviously but all the experts claim the vast majority of them are more forward looking to the World and more pro EU.

However just in my family, of the 20+ in number, just in my family who have reached voting age..

Only 2 would either not vote in a referendum or if they did vote to leave.
All the rest are pro remain.

However none will vote Conservative.
Most would vote Lib Dem the rest Labour.
Mine overall was a family of Conservative orientated set of voters up to 2012 too.

So just in my family, the change is strong.

Of course I'm sure others may have examples the other way.
I am just speaking of the knowledge I have from my own family.

I think it was made clear however that younger voters strongly voted remain.
With more older voters voting leave.
That seems the general post referendum analysis.All the experts claimed Remain was going to win the Referendum, so you can't go by experts.

[Alf]

Polls were conducted, majority is pro EU. :dance:
Look it up :)
Very encouraging for the future :cheer2:Polls said we would remain in the EU. Polls said that Hillary would beat Trump. Polls are not reliable.

So the truth is, you don't know that young people are more pro EU. You're just spreading misinformation.

[Twosugars]

Polls said we would remain in the EU. Polls said that Hillary would beat Trump. Polls are not reliable.

So the truth is, you don't know that young people are more pro EU. You're just spreading misinformation.
They were exit polls


Fear not, Albert!

The youth vote will save you from the folly of hard right government! :dance:

[arista]

Johnson PM does not Care
he is going in person to Brussels
to set up a new deal, to leave on time
I do hope Cummings goes with him.

He will
not Resign

[Alf]

They were exit polls


Fear not, Albert!

The youth vote will save you from the folly of hard right government! :dance:Hard right would never get in Government In this country. Never, There is absolutely no threat of that. Far left however (the Communists) they're the current opposition.

[Kazanne]

Voters will remember what the MPs have done even if the election is put back, people wont forget,so I wouldn't write Boris off just yet.

[Twosugars]

Voters will remember what the MPs have done even if the election is put back, people wont forget,so I wouldn't write Boris off just yet.

Let's hope they will. The saved the country from crashing out, true patriots :clap1:

[Alf]

Voters will remember what the MPs have done even if the election is put back, people wont forget,so I wouldn't write Boris off just yet.I think Boris does actually like being wrote off, I think he likes people to think that he doesn't know what he's doing. but he's much smarter then he makes out.

[Twosugars]

John Major said so did he? Must be true then.

When did you start taking former Tory Prime Ministers words as Gospel?

Always liked some tories, the centrist ones, not the current batch of loons

[Twosugars]

I think Boris does actually like being wrote off, I think he likes people to think that he doesn't know what he's doing. but he's much smarter then he makes out.

So far he's kept it quiet :laugh:

Another blond and stable genius? :omgno:
The world is not worthy of two of them bestriding the globe at the same time!

[Kazanne]

I think Boris does actually like being wrote off, I think he likes people to think that he doesn't know what he's doing. but he's much smarter then he makes out.

Yes that is my view of him aswell, he seems popular with some of the people and that's what really counts. and Alf,answer me this, if those MPs are so opposed to his ideas and views on Brexit,WHY, did they vote him in as PM, they had the choice of a few candidates and now they are crying about Boris being PM,bunch of nutters.:shrug:

[Alf]

Yes that is my view of him aswell, he seems popular with some of the people and that's what really counts. and Alf,answer me this, if those MPs are so opposed to his ideas and views on Brexit,WHY, did they vote him in as PM, they had the choice of a few candidates and now they are crying about Boris being PM,bunch of nutters.:shrug:Nobody quite understands the goings on in the mind of a Politician. Most of what you hear and see is pure theatre.

[joeysteele]

Boris Johnson is going to go down as the worst male PM ever.
He bully's his way through things.

He's only elected by just over half of Con MPs.
Then around two thirds of some really extreme Con members.

If this ends up with Johnson losing a confidence vote.
This totally divisive inept choice for PM, I hope gets his comeuppance.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDnucgrX4AE9eg-?format=jpg&name=small

[Kazanne]

A message from the PM
https://www.facebook.com/borisjohnson/videos/422495991703872/UzpfSTEwMDAxMDIwMzc1NjQxNzo5MjYyMzk2MjEwNTk0ODg/?id=100010203756417

[Kizzy]

Wait ..why is this a corbyn issue? 21 torys voted against him to remove the threat of no deal...
Bojo is being his usual divisive self, but playing s very dangerous gsmd of attempting to create a public backlash her, he's trying to stir a hornets nest of brexiteers to bully mps into keeping no deal a possibility.
What a dangerous man he is, surely nobody believes that clap trap?... :/

[joeysteele]

Wait ..why is this a corbyn issue? 21 torys voted against him to remove the threat of no deal...
Bojo is being his usual divisive self, but playing s very dangerous gsmd of attempting to create a public backlash her, he's trying to stir a hornets nest of brexiteers to bully mps into keeping no deal a possibility.
What a dangerous man he is, surely nobody believes that clap trap?... :/

Oh some do believe that claptrap very sadly Kizzy.
Every word.

[Twosugars]

Bullying tactics by BoJo the clown and Dominic "Dominatrix" Cummings.

[Kizzy]

Oh some do believe that claptrap very sadly Kizzy.
Every word.

What a surprise bojo has raised an army of ignorance...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-protests-london-riots-unrest-far-right-boris-johnson-no-deal-a9095161.html

[Alf]

"When I speak of Fascism in England, I am not necessarily thinking of Mosley and his pimpled followers. English Fascism, when it arrives, is likely to be of a sedate and subtle kind (presumably, at any rate at first, it won’t be called Fascism)."

George OrwellHe's talking about you lot on the socialist far left, "it won't be called Fascism" well it can't be the people you're talking about, because you are always calling that Fascism.

[Beso]

Polls said we would remain in the EU. Polls said that Hillary would beat Trump. Polls are not reliable.

So the truth is, you don't know that young people are more pro EU. You're just spreading misinformation.



Lol...yet so eager to dismiss an actual young person live on tv telling the world what he knows...and what he and his friends voted for....running scared..:shrug:

[Twosugars]

He's talking about you lot on the socialist far left, "it won't be called Fascism" well it can't be the people you're talking about, because you are always calling that Fascism.
:laugh:
He was talking about bigoted little englander mentality slowly morphing into fascism.
Read up about it, it's worth it :)

[arista]

A message from the PM
https://www.facebook.com/borisjohnson/videos/422495991703872/UzpfSTEwMDAxMDIwMzc1NjQxNzo5MjYyMzk2MjEwNTk0ODg/?id=100010203756417




Yes he said this while in Scotland
His Solution is go to Brussels himself
I do hope he takes Dominic Cummings with him.
On the long TV interview he told us.

[arista]

Boris Johnson is going to go down as the worst male PM ever.
He bully's his way through things.

He's only elected by just over half of Con MPs.
Then around two thirds of some really extreme Con members.

If this ends up with Johnson losing a confidence vote.
This totally divisive inept choice for PM, I hope gets his comeuppance.


No it was May PM
who wasted 3 years.

[lime]

Yes that is my view of him aswell, he seems popular with some of the people and that's what really counts. and Alf,answer me this, if those MPs are so opposed to his ideas and views on Brexit,WHY, did they vote him in as PM, they had the choice of a few candidates and now they are crying about Boris being PM,bunch of nutters.:shrug:

Is that a serious question Kazanne?You ask why did they vote him in...He lied Kazanne and told them he was going to get a deal..the dogs on the street know he was lying...He has no intention of making a deal with us..Those who are leaving the Con's gave him some trust but now they see he was lying.


Not sure if what you say is true that they are now "crying".They probably do weep for what the Conservitave have become."Bunch of nutters" because they are horrifed what is happening to the Tories??I would hazzard a guess that some where Tories long before you were born..but sure call them nutters.

[arista]

Bullying tactics by BoJo the clown and Dominic "Dominatrix" Cummings.



Cummings
he is the Adviser.


Like Blair had
Campbell

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Ammi]

...he said that he’d rather be dead in a ditch than ask for an extension...as he attempts to full speed ahead with his no deal Brexit, completely disregarding the families of those ‘dead in ditch’ people during the Northern Ireland troubles and the potential consequences of his no deal ideology to...worth the risk..?...he obviously thinks so, but then it’s all a far off place to Westminster and his privileged life, isn’t it...that land of Northern Ireland...I have family there, some of whom lived through the troubles and this is utterly terrifying to them...what his no deal, if it succeeds....could bring...he uses expressions like ‘dead in a ditch’ as if it was nothing...he’s an arrogant, self centred, despicable man...

[Kizzy]

...he said that he’d rather be dead in a ditch than ask for an extension...as he attempts to full speed ahead with his no deal Brexit, completely disregarding the families of those ‘dead in ditch’ people during the Northern Ireland troubles and the potential consequences of his no deal ideology to...worth the risk..?...he obviously thinks so, but then it’s all a far off place to Westminster and his privileged life, isn’t it...that land of Northern Ireland...I have family there, some of whom lived through the troubles and this is utterly terrifying to them...what his no deal, if it succeeds....could bring...he uses expressions like ‘dead in a ditch’ as if it was nothing...he’s an arrogant, self centred, despicable man...

Excellent point Ammi it should be terrifying to all of us that they are nothing but pawns in this power play chess game, Boris is so desperate to win he's willing to lie cheat and ...well who knows?

[Niamh.]

...he said that he’d rather be dead in a ditch than ask for an extension...as he attempts to full speed ahead with his no deal Brexit, completely disregarding the families of those ‘dead in ditch’ people during the Northern Ireland troubles and the potential consequences of his no deal ideology to...worth the risk..?...he obviously thinks so, but then it’s all a far off place to Westminster and his privileged life, isn’t it...that land of Northern Ireland...I have family there, some of whom lived through the troubles and this is utterly terrifying to them...what his no deal, if it succeeds....could bring...he uses expressions like ‘dead in a ditch’ as if it was nothing...he’s an arrogant, self centred, despicable man...Well said Ammi

[joeysteele]

...he said that he’d rather be dead in a ditch than ask for an extension...as he attempts to full speed ahead with his no deal Brexit, completely disregarding the families of those ‘dead in ditch’ people during the Northern Ireland troubles and the potential consequences of his no deal ideology to...worth the risk..?...he obviously thinks so, but then it’s all a far off place to Westminster and his privileged life, isn’t it...that land of Northern Ireland...I have family there, some of whom lived through the troubles and this is utterly terrifying to them...what his no deal, if it succeeds....could bring...he uses expressions like ‘dead in a ditch’ as if it was nothing...he’s an arrogant, self centred, despicable man...


Media and most political figures considered Johnson a bad choice to be considered as a PM.

Amber Rudd, said he shouldn't be trusted to drive anyone home after a party.
Now she serves in his Cabinet.

Gove said in 2016 he was the wrong person to be PM, he serves in his Cabinet.
Hyocrites both.

Then his disastrous gaffe ridden offensive time as Foreign secretary.

Yet, the Con party, which is now in my view the most exteme of all of them, other than the vile Brexit one.
The members of the Con party vote him to be PM.
With his even worse uncompromising and deranged obsessive no deal aim for brexit.

He'd even advocate breaking a legitimate law.
What a dangerous power mad man to have as PM.

Then think of the Con members, of which two thirds think, a no deal brexit is worth breaking up the UK on.

So his pathetic, determined use of phrases like dead in a ditch, shouldn't surprise anyone.
However as you say Ammi, at this time, in N Ireland, after all the work and effort from both Major, Blair the EU, the USA and the Republic of Ireland.with the political parties of Ireland collectively.

He would drive a divisive no deal brexit over their wishes.
This man is dangerous, his inappropriate use of terms like dead in a ditch and his racist toned comments too.
Along with his total deceit and inability to admit he could even just be wrong, never mind accept he can be.

Should have had him barred from any power.
Yet there are voters who will support and defend him.
To keep him there.
Just to get brexit done, supporting his dangerous no deal obsession, regardless of the consequences.
For the people but also for the United Kingdom staying safe and intact too.

Desperately worrying.
Talk about burying heads in the sand.
It's dangerous and beyond belief any decent voter could in any way trust Johnson, never mind vote for him.

[lime]

...he said that he’d rather be dead in a ditch than ask for an extension...as he attempts to full speed ahead with his no deal Brexit, completely disregarding the families of those ‘dead in ditch’ people during the Northern Ireland troubles and the potential consequences of his no deal ideology to...worth the risk..?...he obviously thinks so, but then it’s all a far off place to Westminster and his privileged life, isn’t it...that land of Northern Ireland...I have family there, some of whom lived through the troubles and this is utterly terrifying to them...what his no deal, if it succeeds....could bring...he uses expressions like ‘dead in a ditch’ as if it was nothing...he’s an arrogant, self centred, despicable man...:love::love::love:

[lime]

...he said that he’d rather be dead in a ditch than ask for an extension...as he attempts to full speed ahead with his no deal Brexit, completely disregarding the families of those ‘dead in ditch’ people during the Northern Ireland troubles and the potential consequences of his no deal ideology to...worth the risk..?...he obviously thinks so, but then it’s all a far off place to Westminster and his privileged life, isn’t it...that land of Northern Ireland...I have family there, some of whom lived through the troubles and this is utterly terrifying to them...what his no deal, if it succeeds....could bring...he uses expressions like ‘dead in a ditch’ as if it was nothing...he’s an arrogant, self centred, despicable man...
Also I know Stanley Johnson has apolagised for his comments to Piers Morgan that if the Irish want to shoot each other ...they will.


Absolute no comprehesion of the troubles..He made the troubles sound like not a bullet was fired by those loyal to the crown..


What a bubble the Johnsons live in:cloud:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Cherie]

A PM defying the law...what would we call one of those if they were in another country :think:

[Kizzy]

Oh surely not? ... lovely fluffy bumbling Boris, the funny zip wire travelling joker an autocratic dictator?!
Who knew?

[Cherie]

All those 'remainers' who blocked Mrs Mays deal 3 times should hang their heads

[lime]

All those 'remainers' who blocked Mrs Mays deal 3 times should hang their heads

So true Cherie

[arista]

A PM defying the law...what would we call one of those if they were in another country :think:


No he will go to to Brussels , himself
so no need to defy the new plan
as he will bypass it

[arista]

...he said that he’d rather be dead in a ditch than ask for an extension...as he attempts to full speed ahead with his no deal Brexit, completely disregarding the families of those ‘dead in ditch’ people during the Northern Ireland troubles and the potential consequences of his no deal ideology to...worth the risk..?...he obviously thinks so, but then it’s all a far off place to Westminster and his privileged life, isn’t it...that land of Northern Ireland...I have family there, some of whom lived through the troubles and this is utterly terrifying to them...what his no deal, if it succeeds....could bring...he uses expressions like ‘dead in a ditch’ as if it was nothing...he’s an arrogant, self centred, despicable man...


Yes Like Blair , was.

[lime]

Yes Like Blair , was.

Big difference my friend..Blair was a major part in contributing to peace in Ireland..BJ is a major contributar to foking up peace here in Ireland

[Kizzy]

All those 'remainers' who blocked Mrs Mays deal 3 times should hang their heads

Like Boris and the rest of the ERG?

[arista]

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[bots]

If Boris defied the law then he wouldn't be representing the british people, so it's not something he can actually do to achieve his aim

[lime]

Like Boris and the rest of the ERG?

It shouldn't be a blame game of who did worse than the other...All who voted against the WA should hang their heads in shame.You all hung Ireland out ..You all will fight and say silly things against each other.Mean time back in the real world it is us Irish who will have to pick up the pieces..Shameful behaviour

[Kizzy]

It shouldn't be a blame game of who did worse than the other...All who voted against the WA should hang their heads in shame.You all hung Ireland out ..You all will fight and say silly things against each other.Mean time back in the real world it is us Irish who will have to pick up the pieces..Shameful behaviour

It is a blame game though, the WA had a protection for Ireland at the insistance of the EU.
The ERG don't want that protection, they want it removing therfore they voTed against the WA. The backstop is the only reason Boris goes to Brussels, he asks if they will remove the Backstop ..they say no and he comes home. No progress is made.
So the new plan he wants us no deal then he can just do what the hell he wants in Ireland and nobody will be able to do a damn thing about it.

[Cherie]

Like Boris and the rest of the ERG?

I said remainers Kizzy, I thought that was pretty clear

[Cherie]

It shouldn't be a blame game of who did worse than the other...All who voted against the WA should hang their heads in shame.You all hung Ireland out ..You all will fight and say silly things against each other.Mean time back in the real world it is us Irish who will have to pick up the pieces..Shameful behaviour

Correct Lime ! Labour voted against it because they wanted a GE which they felt they could win with TM as PM, party politics as opposed to putting their country first

[Kazanne]

Correct Lime ! Labour voted against it because they wanted a GE which they felt they could win with TM as PM, party politics as opposed to putting their country first

:clap1::clap1:

[MTVN]

The DUP thought the WA was hanging Northern Ireland out to dry so it's not a simple issue

I'm starting to think it will come back to the Commons anyway as Boris' last hope to avoid requesting an extension. Either that or he calls a vote of no confidence in himself

[Cherie]

Oh surely not? ... lovely fluffy bumbling Boris, the funny zip wire travelling joker an autocratic dictator?!
Who knew?

Obviously quite a number of his party who voted for him and know him well?

[arista]

The DUP thought the WA was hanging Northern Ireland out to dry so it's not a simple issue

I'm starting to think it will come back to the Commons anyway as Boris' last hope to avoid requesting an extension. Either that or he calls a vote of no confidence in himself


Yes one of his many plans.

But he said yesterday
on the Long Scottish TV Interview
he will bypass the new Labour Extension
by going to Brussels himself
to get a new deal and still leave on
the 31st.



I hope he takes Cummings with him.

[Twosugars]

Obviously quite a number of his party who voted for him and know him well?

I think even his enemies expected him to be a more skillful operator :laugh:

[bots]

What people are ignoring is that the EU is prohibited from interfering in the politics of member nations. The backstop is direct interference

[joeysteele]

Actually Labour voted against the withdrawal agreement because they want a, or the, customs union and still closer links to the single market.

That has always been their position and still is.

If the withdrawal agreement, had that in it, there'd be no need for the backstop.

Just to put the record straight on that.

When May finally got round to including Labour in talks near the end of her premiership.
Had she included a customs union plan in the agreement, she'd have got at least 190 likely Labour votes supporting it.
No general election at all.

She wasn't though allowed to bring back the results of those talks as her Party kicked her out before she could.

Then again those ERG grouping would have tried to vote it down, with any customs arrangement proposal in it.

[Twosugars]

What people are ignoring is that the EU is prohibited from interfering in the politics of member nations. The backstop is direct interference

The backstop was May's idea

[bots]

The backstop was May's idea

doesn't matter, the eu are using it to reference the good friday agreement which is direct political interference

[arista]

What people are ignoring is that the EU is prohibited from interfering in the politics of member nations. The backstop is direct interference



Yes they say their Single Market
is Sacred.

[Twosugars]

Actually Labour voted against the withdrawal agreement because they want a, or the, customs union and still closer links to the single market.

That has always been their position and still is.

If the withdrawal agreement, had that in it, there'd be no need for the backstop.

Just to put the record straight on that.

When May finally got round to including Labour in talks near the end of her premiership.
Had she included a customs union plan in the agreement, she'd have got at least 190 likely Labour votes supporting it.
No general election at all.

She wasn't though allowed to bring back the results of those talks as her Party kicked her out before she could.

Then again those ERG grouping would have tried to vote it down, with any customs arrangement proposal in it.

Well said Joey.
The slim ref majority should only result in a soft brexit.
Had May been a stateswoman she would have formed a coalition with labour to sort brexit and a soft brexit would have sailed through the parliament.
As it happened she wasted 3 years on tory brexit which was voted down by some of her own MPs
Pathetic partisanship

[Twosugars]

doesn't matter, the eu are using it to reference the good friday agreement which is direct political interference

There was no choice, no other country has such odd situation where an eu and non eu areas have a single economy.

[joeysteele]

Well said Joey.
The slim ref majority should only result in a soft brexit.
Had May been a stateswoman she would have formed a coalition with labour to sort brexit and a soft brexit would have sailed through the parliament.
As it happened she wasted 3 years on tory brexit which was voted down by some of her own MPs
Pathetic partisanship


I've always said and felt brexit should have been an all party negotiated and planned process.
Thereby ensuring success.

With all voting on brexit being free votes in Parliament.

Mrs May and the Cons denied all that, which brings us to the mess in existence now on it.

[Kizzy]

I said remainers Kizzy, I thought that was pretty clear

It wasn't just remainers voting the WA down though was it?
If the ERG had voted with may we'd have left by now.

[Kizzy]

Obviously quite a number of his party who voted for him and know him well?

Yes the 21 conservatives who'd rather risk their careers than vote with him know him pretty well too.the membership voted him as leader not his MPS, you can fool some of the people all of the time..as the saying goes.

[Twosugars]

Tory grandee Sir Nicholas Soames has launched a searing attack on Boris Johnson’s leadership and Jacob Rees-Mogg, whom he called a “fraud”, adding the Conservative party is lurching towards a divisive, potentially catastrophic form of “hard-right” conservatism.

In an interview with the Times, Soames – who is the grandson of Sir Winston Churchill – said the Conservatives were starting to resemble a “Brexit sect”, after he had the whip removed for rebelling against the Johnson government along with 20 other MPs.

“I am worried about the Tory party because give or take the odd spasm we have always been seen as pragmatic, sensible, good at our job, sane, reasonable and having the interests of the whole country,” he said. “Now it is beginning to look like a Brexit sect.”

Soames rejected comparisons between his grandfather and Johnson, saying the prime minister has never been regarded as “a diplomat or statesman” and his life experience amounts to “telling a lot of porkies about the European Union in Brussels and then becoming prime minister”.

He singled out Jacob Rees-Mogg, calling his recent actions in the Commons “repulsive” and beneath the leader of the house. Rees-Mogg was criticised by Caroline Lucas for lounging on the benches of the Commons during a debate. “The leader of the house has been spread across three seats, lying out as if that was something very boring for him to listen to tonight,” she said.

Soames called Rees-Mogg an “absolute fraud” who is “a living example of what a moderately cut double-breasted suit and a decent tie can do with an ultra-posh voice”.

He also spoke about his concerns for the future of his party, saying that he feared a schism, with many liberal Conservatives turning their backs on the “very hard-right Tory” version of the party that is taking shape under Johnson.

The former defence minister predicted that further Tory MPs would follow the lead of Jo Johnson, who quit this past week – citing conflict between family loyalty and the public interest – if they were forced to sign up to campaigning for a no-deal Brexit during any general election push.

He also expected hardcore no-deal Brexiters to turn on Johnson if he attempted to push through an agreement with the EU, by tweaking the withdrawal agreement. “It is a tragedy that we are going to be potentially sunk on the altar of something so fundamentally un-Tory,” he said.
The Guardian

[Beso]

Tory grandee Sir Nicholas Soames who Twosugars has suddenly perked up and began listening too.

[arista]

"Tory grandee Sir Nicholas Soames has launched
a searing attack on Boris Johnson’s leadership"


Sure but its not important
That old fella is standing down
at the next General Election.

[James]

Actually Labour voted against the withdrawal agreement because they want a, or the, customs union and still closer links to the single market.

That has always been their position and still is.

If the withdrawal agreement, had that in it, there'd be no need for the backstop.

Just to put the record straight on that.

When May finally got round to including Labour in talks near the end of her premiership.
Had she included a customs union plan in the agreement, she'd have got at least 190 likely Labour votes supporting it.
No general election at all.

She wasn't though allowed to bring back the results of those talks as her Party kicked her out before she could.

Then again those ERG grouping would have tried to vote it down, with any customs arrangement proposal in it.

The third time the Withdrawal agreement was voted on in parliament, the political declaration was removed, leaving the two-year transition.

That means that Labour could still have got a Customs Union and single market ties at a later date. They should have at least voted for the Withdrawal agreement on the third meaningful vote.

[lime]

The third time the Withdrawal agreement was voted on in parliament, the political declaration was removed, leaving the two-year transition.

That means that Labour could still have got a Customs Union and single market ties at a later date. They should have at least voted for the Withdrawal agreement on the third meaningful vote.:hug:

[arista]

The third time the Withdrawal agreement was voted on in parliament, the political declaration was removed, leaving the two-year transition.

That means that Labour could still have got a Customs Union and single market ties at a later date. They should have at least voted for the Withdrawal agreement on the third meaningful vote.



Crazy
No Point in leaving with that plan

[lime]

The DUP thought the WA was hanging Northern Ireland out to dry so it's not a simple issue

I'm starting to think it will come back to the Commons anyway as Boris' last hope to avoid requesting an extension. Either that or he calls a vote of no confidence in himself

Sorry .The DUP do not represnet NI.The moment May got into bed with them was her downfall.A simple issue should be that NI voted to remain and for once in my life I say fair play to SF who lets face it will never sit in HOC...now they will not run against GP/SDLP or alliance ..so they can try prevent No deal.The DUP are turning on their selves .It is worth remebering that the DUP refused to sign up to GFA.They have no interest in peace...They would rather their folk eat grass than acknoledge some in NI are Irish

[joeysteele]

The third time the Withdrawal agreement was voted on in parliament, the political declaration was removed, leaving the two-year transition.

That means that Labour could still have got a Customs Union and single market ties at a later date. They should have at least voted for the Withdrawal agreement on the third meaningful vote.

Why.
They'd had no input to talks at that time.

The backdrop remained which was the contentious issue with the DUP.

You say Labour could have.
That's not would have.
An agreed customs arrangement in place at that time would have pulled more Labour votes over.
Not a possible customs arrangement.

If May had dropped her red lines of no customs union arrangement, total severance from having some close access of the single market.
She'd have won Labour votes.

Still alienating her own ERG group, who were voting against anything.

With her own Party and the votes of the DUP, she did have an overall majority at the time.

It isn't down to the opposition to help a government that thus far then, had not seriously consulted it.

[lime]

The backstop was May's idea

True.. but we live in a time when facts don't matter

[lime]

Crazy
No Point in leaving with that plan

Crazy leaving without a plan

[lime]

Why.
They'd had no input to talks at that time.

The backdrop remained which was the contentious issue with the DUP.

You say Labour could have.
That's not would have.
An agreed customs arrangement in place at that time would have pulled more Labour votes over.
Not a possible customs arrangement.

If May had dropped her red lines of no customs union arrangement, total severance from having some close access of the single market.
She'd have won Labour votes.

Still alienating her own ERG group, who were voting against anything.

With her own Party and the votes of the DUP, she did have an overall majority at the time.

It isn't down to the opposition to help a government that thus far then, had not seriously consulted it.

I understand when you you say that it isn't down to the opposition to help the goverment..

So you guys can carry on arguing against said opposition ..

Where does leave us Irish?You all fight for the sake of fighting .Shamefull.The WA was a great deal

[The Slim Reaper]

All those 'remainers' who blocked Mrs Mays deal 3 times should hang their heads

The majority party put the deal forward, and leavers/remainers voted for the deal, and leavers/remainers voted against it. Why are remainers to blame?

[lime]

doesn't matter, the eu are using it to reference the good friday agreement which is direct political interference

What???Do you know how many countries are signed up as guarentors of the GFA?Is that political interference?

I give up.If people can't be arsed to understand how important the backstop is...and most importantly GFA..What is the point in any further talks:shrug::shrug:

[arista]

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[arista]

Crazy leaving without a plan


Sure
you can say that.

[bots]

What???Do you know how many countries are signed up as guarentors of the GFA?Is that political interference?

I give up.If people can't be arsed to understand how important the backstop is...and most importantly GFA..What is the point in any further talks:shrug::shrug:

with respect, the good friday agreement is a matter between Ireland and the UK. The EU are expressly forbidden from involvement in member states political affairs, no if's no but's, it is an absolute

[arista]

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[lime]

with respect, the good friday agreement is a matter between Ireland and the UK. The EU are expressly forbidden from involvement in member states political affairs, no if's no but's, it is an absolute

Oh dear.That's wholly untrue.GFA is guarented not just between ROI and Uk..and lets face it ..Uk are now renaging on it.The GFA was not a deal that we on this island came to...It came about because of other nations..

[lime]

Sure
you can say that.

:bigsmile:

[user104658]

Funny thought: if we crashed out with no deal and then quietly rejoined a full customs union two months later... I bet the vast majority of Brexit voters wouldn't even ****ing notice :joker:

You could ask them in 2 years time and they'd be like "Yassss we won we won no deal Brexit rule Britannia"

[Cherie]

The majority party put the deal forward, and leavers/remainers voted for the deal, and leavers/remainers voted against it. Why are remainers to blame?

They are partly to blame, as they hung back in the hope of getting into power, you expect leavers not to vote for the deal, but remainers? they should have got behind it come what may

[bots]

Oh dear.That's wholly untrue.GFA is guarented not just between ROI and Uk..and lets face it ..Uk are now renaging on it.The GFA was not a deal that we on this island came to...It came about because of other nations..

unfortunately you have completely missed the point

[Tom4784]

Funny thought: if we crashed out with no deal and then quietly rejoined a full customs union two months later... I bet the vast majority of Brexit voters wouldn't even ****ing notice :joker:

You could ask them in 2 years time and they'd be like "Yassss we won we won no deal Brexit rule Britannia"

For most brexiters at this point, it's just about 'winning' and 'sticking it to the libs'.

[The Slim Reaper]

They are partly to blame, as they hung back in the hope of getting into power, you expect leavers not to vote for the deal, but remainers? they should have got behind it come what may

I don't expect anything, it's just a fact that both leavers and remainers voted for and against the deal, so it's really not just remainers at fault.

It's madness that fault is even used, everyone knows there is no deal out there as good as we already have, so politicians trying to protect their constituents aren't really at fault for anything, and history will view everyone who voted for and tried to force this bs through, very badly.

The promises were made by leave; the easiest deal in the history of the world, everyone will be begging us for a deal, we'll be able to pick and choose what we want etc. All bull, all completely ignored by leavers that live in a fantasy world of WW2 iconography.

[Vicky.]

They are partly to blame, as they hung back in the hope of getting into power, you expect leavers not to vote for the deal, but remainers? they should have got behind it come what may

Or because they thought the deal was crap. Didn't she basically go back each time with the same ****ing 'deal' and expect a different result? Pretty much the definition of insanity that one..can't really say they should have got behind a deal they disagreed with just so some idiot did not come along thinking nodeal was a brilliant plan..

Sick of hearing it all now though realy. Its just a huge mess, and should never ever have happened the way it did. No vote should ever have happened until there were plans, proper plans, for either result. The way it happened is just embarassing, tbh. As is the way it has been 'handled' since.

[Cherie]

Or because they thought the deal was crap. Didn't she basically go back each time with the same ****ing 'deal' and expect a different result? Pretty much the definition of insanity that one..can't really say they should have got behind a deal they disagreed with just so some idiot did not come along thinking nodeal was a brilliant plan..

Sick of hearing it all now though realy. Its just a huge mess, and should never ever have happened the way it did. No vote should ever have happened until there were plans, proper plans, for either result. The way it happened is just embarassing, tbh. As is the way it has been 'handled' since.

The crap deal is still better than crashing out, and it protected the border in Ireland so :shrug:

I agree with the rest of your statement, the people were never supposed to vote leave, and I blame Boris for getting on board the leave bus for tipping the balance in leaves favour

[joeysteele]

I understand when you you say that it isn't down to the opposition to help the goverment..

So you guys can carry on arguing against said opposition ..

Where does leave us Irish?You all fight for the sake of fighting .Shamefull.The WA was a great deal

I don't disagree lime.

I've said the last twice Labour should have supported May's agreement.
I was disappointed they didn't.

It's for me, the best on the table st present if we have to leave.

My point was the government had the numbers to pass it, with only the Cons and DUP.
It shouldn't be down to expecting opposition Parties votes.

Yes however. I think Labour should have supported it.
It wasn't just Labour who didn't vote for it though.
SNP, Paid Cymru , Lib Dems. The Green and most Independents didn't too.

I agree with you, it is the best thing there now that could and should be tried again.

[user104658]

For most brexiters at this point, it's just about 'winning' and 'sticking it to the libs'.Exactly, you could give them No Deal Brexit and they'd celebrate, then the next week be like "And now we have used our strong no deal position to secure wonderful trade agreement with the EU! It allows lower customs charges, and it'll be easier for you to go on holiday..." and they'd be pleased as punch. :hehe:

[The Slim Reaper]

Brexiteers represented by the far right in London today. Again.

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[lime]

The crap deal is still better than crashing out, and it protected the border in Ireland so :shrug:

I agree with the rest of your statement, the people were never supposed to vote leave, and I blame Boris for getting on board the leave bus for tipping the balance in leaves favour

:love:it amazes me when WA is called a crap deal

[lime]

I don't disagree lime.

I've said the last twice Labour should have supported May's agreement.
I was disappointed they didn't.

It's for me, the best on the table st present if we have to leave.

My point was the government had the numbers to pass it, with only the Cons and DUP.
It shouldn't be down to expecting opposition Parties votes.

Yes however. I think Labour should have supported it.
It wasn't just Labour who didn't vote for it though.
SNP, Paid Cymru , Lib Dems. The Green and most Independents didn't too.

I agree with you, it is the best thing there now that could and should be tried again.

:love:

[Twosugars]

Lord MacDonald, the former director of public prosecutions, said if Johnson refused to request an extension he could be found in contempt of court.

“A refusal in the face of that would amount to contempt of court, which could find that person in prison,” MacDonald told Sky News. “He won’t get any co-operation, apart from the fanatics around him … the attorney general won’t sit there quietly while this happens.”

The Scottish Conservative MSP Adam Tomkins, a former law professor, said Johnson should resign rather than break the law by forcing through a no-deal Brexit.

In a series of tweets, Tomkins said Johnson had only one option if he refused to ask for an extension: resign. “Irrespective of what we think about Brexit, or the PM, surely we can all agree on one fundamental principle: the government is bound to obey the law,” he said.
The Guardian

Lock him up! :laugh:

[arista]

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[Alf]

Get em' Boris

[Ammi]

Yes Like Blair , was.

...I’m not really sure what your point is in mentioning Blair, Arista...no one can rewrite history in anything Blair did in his time in power but the entitlement of peace times for those in Northern Ireland...both now and in the future..?...has not yet been written and Boris Johnson is despicable beyond comprehension for disregarding so many lives in his personal quest for ‘if anyone can do it Donald, I can..’...it’s nothing more than a political game to him, he disgusts me...

[joeysteele]

Just how pathetic does he look too with that truly awful Leadsom woman saying.
This Con party now will put a candidate against the Speaker..
Which no PM or government even thought about before.

Anyone he sees as a dissenting voice to his madness and demands, will be threatened and dispensed with.

This is a PM, really that anyone could respect, surely only by extremely militant hardliners.
He is as Ammi strongly points out despicable beyond comprehension.

Power mad he is, and dangerously so too.