Boris has asked the Queen to suspend Parliment, The Queen has now approved

[Withano]

Only because idiots get so hysterical that they wont let him talk or hear him,shame they might learn something,it's like the bully kids in school that wont let anyone have a say,also the EU is as corrupt as they come.

Lol what

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/19/09/768x432/skynews-mps-banksy_4776530.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190916142141



Devolved Parliament will be
auctioned at Sotheby's in London
on 3 October and is expected to
sell for between £1.5-£2m.]


https://news.sky.com/story/banksy-painting-depicting-mps-as-chimps-to-go-up-for-auction-11811416

[lime]

Only because idiots get so hysterical that they wont let him talk or hear him,shame they might learn something,it's like the bully kids in school that wont let anyone have a say,also the EU is as corrupt as they come.

what? there was nothing stopping him from talking.

Please induldge me of why you think we Irish are as corrupt as they come

[Twosugars]

EU are clamping down on tax havens. That's the real reason for brexit

[joeysteele]

Can you imagine it Outside
he try's to talk
the Clever Protestors
use Battery charged Loud Hailers


JohnsonPM
wanted it inside the building
but they refused.



So he's the pathetic waste of space then, who because he doesn't get all his own way.
Hides away.

[Cherie]

what? there was nothing stopping him from talking.

Please induldge me of why you think we Irish are as corrupt as they come

Its nice you consider yourself Irish Lime, I so much as have to say I quite like the English and am battered for wanting to be English. Although unlike you I would never use a phrase like 'we English' as I will always be Irish, have an Irish passport, my kids have Irish passports, but I like you love my adopted country, the government are not making a great job of it at the minute mind, but the people in the UK should not be tarnished for that, what ever happens always remember 48 per cent voted to remain, and maybe if a few more bothered to vote we might not be in this mess at all.

[arista]

So he's the pathetic waste of space then, who because he doesn't get all his own way.
Hides away.


No he spoke to all the press away
from the Loud Protestors.


Those Protestors
from the UK using Battery Powered Loud Hailers

[joeysteele]

No he spoke to all the press away
from the Loud Protestors.


Those Protestors
from the UK using Battery Powered Loud Hailers


He's pathetic.
Never being a real Statesman and never will be either.

[Twosugars]

No he spoke to all the press away
from the Loud Protestors.


Those Protestors
from the UK using Battery Powered Loud Hailers

Democracy in action

[lime]

Its nice you consider yourself Irish Lime, I so much as have to say I quite like the English and am battered for wanting to be English. Although unlike you I would never use a phrase like 'we English' as I will always be Irish, have an Irish passport, my kids have Irish passports, but I like you love my adopted country, the government are not making a great job of it at the minute mind, but the people in the UK should not be tarnished for that, what ever happens always remember 48 per cent voted to remain, and maybe if a few more bothered to vote we might not be in this mess at all.

I will allways be a Boer.My husband and I along with our 4 kids proudly have Irish passports.It matters alot to us..I feel comfortable in saying we Irish.We are Irish in so many ways..sorry to hear you are battered for wanting to be English:(:(

[arista]

Democracy in action



Sure
when we leave on Thursday 31st October 2019 11PM

[Kazanne]

Can you imagine it Outside
he try's to talk
the Clever Protestors
use Battery charged Loud Hailers


JohnsonPM
wanted it inside the building
but they refused.

I'm glad he walked away,he didn't give them what they wanted,what is the point on him talking outside if all they want to do is shout and drown people out, if they want to act like gob****e morons that's fine ,it doen't mean people have to stand there and take it.

[Kazanne]

Where's the proof that EU is corrupt?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12124910/Sir-Bernard-Ingham-EU-is-corrupt-useless-and-riddled-with-fraud.html

Just one article there are plenty out there, why do you think they are all honest and truthful :laugh:

http://www.tuaeu.co.uk/eu-covers-up-eu-corruption/

https://www.quora.com/How-corrupt-is-the-European-Union

[joeysteele]

Well it's just stated on the news that those demonstrating against this ridiculous cowardly PM were Brits.

He was ignorant, pure and simple, he's a charlatan.
No matter how much his hard-line supporters try to defend even his ignorant actions.

A PM of the UK, ignorantly leaving his host to do a press conference alone.
Because that UK PM couldn't take opposition to him by fellow Brits.

Odious creep he is.

[Cherie]

I will allways be a Boer.My husband and I along with our 4 kids proudly have Irish passports.It matters alot to us..I feel comfortable in saying we Irish.We are Irish in so many ways..sorry to hear you are battered for wanting to be English:(:(

I never said I wanted to be English, I said its a cardinal sin in some eyes if you say you like the English

[arista]

I'm glad he walked away,he didn't give them what they wanted,what is the point on him talking outside if all they want to do is shout and drown people out, if they want to act like gob****e morons that's fine ,it doen't mean people have to stand there and take it.


Yes 75 Shouters
Ch4HD News just confirmed
that they would have drowned Johnson PM out



There was a Press Place inside as well.

[AnnieK]

Yes 75 Shouters
Ch4HD News just confirmed
that they would have drowned Johnson PM out



There was a Pres Place inside as well.

Just as he drowned out those MPs who opposed him by removing them from the party. He needs to grow a backbone and listen to the opposition from a large proportion of the Nation he is meant to represent and not just ignore those voices when they are saying things he does not want to hear

[MTVN]

Very petty of the Luxembourg PM imo and it's a bit rich to complain about being portrayed as 'the bad guy' when you intentionally humiliate a supposed ally in front of the world's media

[MTVN]

1173621610143715328

[joeysteele]

Just as he drowned out those MPs who opposed him by removing them from the party. He needs to grow a backbone and listen to the opposition from a large proportion of the Nation he is meant to represent and not just ignore those voices when they are saying things he does not want to hear


Spot on.

Bully's are usually first to run away once they face seemingly real opposition.

Just as he did today.
Pathetic waste of space he is.

[bots]

There is a difference between a few hecklers and an organised disruption. A few hecklers is acceptable and something reflecting democracy. An organised event designed to stop our PM speaking is not.

Those shouting about how undemocratic Boris is are coming across as complete hypocrites

[Twosugars]

Bettel's anger highlights a bleak truth: the EU27 just wants Britain to go
Luxembourg PM’s exasperation is shared by EU officials and national leaders


It was, by any standards, an unusual spectacle: the leader of the European Union’s second-smallest country deciding to empty-chair the British prime minister at what was supposed to have been a joint press conference after their meeting.

Ostensibly, logistics were the problem: No 10 was concerned by the small but very noisy protest awaiting Boris Johnson outside; Luxembourg government officials said there was no room big enough to move the event inside.

Whatever the reason, the press conference that Xavier Bettel ended up giving alone – gesturing to the lectern where his counterpart should have stood – served as a striking symbol of EU leaders’ mounting frustration with the Brexit process.

The Luxembourg prime minister did not hold back. The leave campaign had been built on lies, he said. Johnson’s oft-repeated claims of progress in the talks were baseless. London had come up with nothing to replace the backstop.

Above all, the UK – not the EU – was to blame for the impasse. “I just want to repeat and remind that Theresa May accepted the withdrawal agreement,” he said. Britain’s “homemade” problems were causing “general problems” for the whole of the EU.

This was barely concealed anger – not just at the uncertainty and stress being endured by citizens, companies and countries who, after three years, “want and deserve clarity”, but at the disingenuous game being played by the British government.

Johnson has talked, repeatedly, of “real signs of movement” in Berlin, Paris and Dublin on getting rid of the backstop, the perennial obstacle to a Brexit agreement. “A huge amount of progress is being made” in the negotiations, he insists.

For EU officials, the regular meetings with Johnson’s special envoy do not even qualify as “negotiations”. There are grave doubts, after his suspension of parliament and failure to advance any concrete proposals, that the prime minister wants a deal at all – and, should one be achieved, that he could get it through parliament.

Ideas for an all-Ireland regulatory regime for food and agriculture, which No 10 thinks would go a long way to replacing the backstop, fall far short of the requirement to protect EU markets from dangerous goods, fraud or unfair competition.

And as Bettel’s exasperation made clear, officials in Brussels, and leaders in national capitals, are running out of patience. Hopes that Britain might eventually give Brexit up as a bad job and remain in the EU are giving way to prayers that it won’t.

Many now dread the prospect, remote as it may seem, of a second referendum. “Why on earth would you want a country so bitterly and hopelessly divided to stay?” asked one diplomat. “The wounds are going to last generations. How damaging would that be to Europe? Come back, maybe – but leave and sort things out first.”

The EU27 members do not trust Johnson, but many have little confidence in Jeremy Corbyn or in the quarrelsome tribes of remainers either. Certainly, they would rather have a deal: no one wants the chaos and economic pain of no deal, or to be seen to be giving Britain a helping hand over the cliff.

But that deal clearly cannot come at any cost. Twenty-six member states will, first, never abandon Ireland when it insists on the need for an operable backstop because, despite the clout of Germany and France, the EU remains a club of small countries, most with populations smaller than 10 million.

Equally important, the European priority remains – as it has since June 2016 – the integrity of the EU single market. EU businesses are lobbying their governments, but not in order to persuade them to offer the UK a favourable deal so that sales of BMW cars and prosecco are not hit too hard.

No, European businesses want their governments to avoid any risk of British companies retaining privileged access to the single market while undercutting them by disobeying its rules: a weakened single market is a far more damaging prospect than even a no-deal Brexit.

For all those reasons, the EU would, on the whole, prefer Britain to leave now, if possible quite soon. And as Bettel’s irritation showed, it is fast tiring of a psychodrama that is costing it time, money and anxiety, and that is none of its making.

The Guardian

[arista]

There is a difference between a few hecklers and an organised disruption. A few hecklers is acceptable and something reflecting democracy. An organised event designed to stop our PM speaking is not.

Those shouting about how undemocratic Boris is are coming across as complete hypocrites


Yes with Battery Powered
Loud Hailers
it would mean every word the PM said
they would shout over.
There was room inside the building for Press
only to enter, that's what stinks

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/7AC9/production/_108833413_metro-17.09.jpg

[Twosugars]

Yes with Battery Powered
Loud Hailers
it would mean every word the PM said
they would shout over.
There was room inside the building for Press
only to enter, that's what stinks

He reaps what he sowed

[Ammi]

...I just can’t get on board with podiumgate, as it’s being called...just because I think it brings us down to a level of...’haha Boris, that showed you’ of personal satisfaction, type thing ...when there is a much bigger picture to focus on...his voice does represent to the world the voice of this country atm...(...however we may feel about that or his methods...)...so a drowning of his voice is a drowning of our own voice, surely...?...especially at a time when we so much need to be seen with huge credibility/respect etc, to secure trading....to contribute to/take satisfaction in etc of the U.K. voice being laughed at as the ‘incredible sulk’...just seems really counterproductive to me to hoping that Brexit can deliver us safely as a country and with valued trade...it’s all quite scary...

[Kazanne]

The Luxembourg PM was grandstanding ,and they could have taken those talks inside easily but he chose not to let the PM make his point and humiliate him,those pathetic people who can find nothing better to do than try and stop people talking and giving us their view need to shut up and let others who want to hear the PMs views be heard

[Nicky91]

The Luxembourg PM was grandstanding ,and they could have taken those talks inside easily but he chose not to let the PM make his point and humiliate him,those pathetic people who can find nothing better to do than try and stop people talking and giving us their view need to shut up and let others who want to hear the PMs views be heard

well Juncker is a professional, he also was the president of european commission

he has dealt with a lot of the brexit chaos during his reign at the EU either

[joeysteele]

He reaps what he sowed

Yes he does.

He walked off, he was the wimp.
A what if here sorry, for it.
Had Corbyn walked off refusing to do a press conference.
He would rightly be slaughtered for it, likely led by those making every excuse they can for Johnson.
Actually I'd be hammering him myself too.
They would be and they know they would be.

Quite what this extreme Con party and our media would have said too would have been nearer unprintable.
I'm completely sure of that too.

Today, unbelievably, we have a UK PM accused in court of serious political and constitutional actions being questionable.
The fact we are even at such a point is worrying and revealing.

No matter the judgement this week.
For or against the case brought.
It should bring shame to any PM, we are even at this point.
Because of his actions.

In light of the time frame and the unresolved issues of brexit.
Had this PM really believed in unifying in any way and not just round one extreme position.
Then this Parliament was only elected 2 years ago, A YEAR later than the referendum
This was the Parliament elected as it is.

Any moral, decent and right PM would have asked Parliament if it agreed to be prorogued for so long.
He didn't, that speaks volumes.

For me, it leaves him not worthy of a scrap of respect.
None at all.
He'll for sure get no respect from me.

[Cherie]

...I just can’t get on board with podiumgate, as it’s being called...just because I think it brings us down to a level of...’haha Boris, that showed you’ of personal satisfaction, type thing ...when there is a much bigger picture to focus on...his voice does represent to the world the voice of this country atm...(...however we may feel about that or his methods...)...so a drowning of his voice is a drowning of our own voice, surely...?...especially at a time when we so much need to be seen with huge credibility/respect etc, to secure trading....to contribute to/take satisfaction in etc of the U.K. voice being laughed at as the ‘incredible sulk’...just seems really counterproductive to me to hoping that Brexit can deliver us safely as a country and with valued trade...it’s all quite scary...

agree with this, I don't get all the ha ha ...no show... we want to hear him.... this is the equivalent of him shutting down parliament, so don't know why people are championing it as a good thing

[Kazanne]

well Juncker is a professional, he also was the president of european commission

he has dealt with a lot of the brexit chaos during his reign at the EU either

He was still rude,it does not matter what you think of our PM, he asked to move the talks inside but was refused ,had it been anyone else people would have been in an uproar,but its ok if its someone you don't like. The 'shouters used music,megaphones anything to disrupt him,does Junker forget we contribute millions to the EU every year,I'm glad he walked away,I'de have done the same, he didn't run away as some like to think,he asked for it to go inside and was refused,no point in talking outside to a hysterical crowd.

[Nicky91]

He was still rude,it does not matter what you think of our PM, he asked to move the talks inside but was refused ,had it been anyone else people would have been in an uproar,but its ok if its someone you don't like. The 'shouters used music,megaphones anything to disrupt him,does Junker forget we contribute millions to the EU every year,I'm glad he walked away,I'de have done the same, he didn't run away as some like to think,he asked for it to go inside and was refused,no point in talking outside to a hysterical crowd.

are u forgetting the behaviour of the british representative in european parliament with their rude trolling during the anthem of europe

as for the hysterical crowd, well people are pretty much sick and tired of the UK taking so long to leave the EU


and everyone contributes something to the EU, just some countries more than others

[joeysteele]

He was still rude,it does not matter what you think of our PM, he asked to move the talks inside but was refused ,had it been anyone else people would have been in an uproar,but its ok if its someone you don't like. The 'shouters used music,megaphones anything to disrupt him,does Junker forget we contribute millions to the EU every year,I'm glad he walked away,I'de have done the same, he didn't run away as some like to think,he asked for it to go inside and was refused,no point in talking outside to a hysterical crowd.

Except he wasn't needing to talk to the crowd.
It was a press conference with over 100 journalists.

With likely questions asked, as in all other Countries afterwards.

Yes, we contribute millions to the EU, we get millions back too via rebate and regional aid.

If he can't be bothered to do a press conference because of opposition to him by fellow Brits there.
Then his chances of getting any deal looks a near no hoper.
To get a deal HE needs the support of all the 27 other EU Nations.
If one refuses, he fails.
Yes, HE fails.

[Kazanne]

are u forgetting the behaviour of the british representative in european parliament with their rude trolling during the anthem of europe

as for the hysterical crowd, well people are pretty much sick and tired of the UK taking so long to leave the EU


and everyone contributes something to the EU, just some countries more than others

I'm not forgetting anything,I don't like rudeness , I am the same over Trump , people show themselves up imo when they try and humiliate other people whoever it is. Boris Johnson is trying to honour the will of the people who voted to leave and if he is not allowed to speak ,it's a poor show and rude, besides two wrongs don't make a right . that's my opinion as you have yours.

[Kazanne]

Except he wasn't needing to talk to the crowd.
It was a press conference with over 100 journalists.

With likely questions asked, as in all other Countries afterwards.

Yes, we contribute millions to the EU, we get millions back too via rebate and regional aid.

If he can't be bothered to do a press conference because of opposition to him by fellow Brits there.
Then his chances of getting any deal looks a near no hoper.
To get a deal HE needs the support of all the 27 other EU Nations.
If one refuses, he fails.
Yes, HE fails.

He asked for one inside Joey ,where they could speak, why wasn't that allowed ? it would have been better as it would have been televised and we could have all seen and heard it.

[Nicky91]

I'm not forgetting anything,I don't like rudeness , I am the same over Trump , people show themselves up imo when they try and humiliate other people whoever it is. Boris Johnson is trying to honour the will of the people who voted to leave and if he is not allowed to speak ,it's a poor show and rude, besides two wrongs don't make a right . that's my opinion as you have yours.

well he's trying more than Theresa May for sure

Boris isn't a completely horrible PM, as a power hungry attention seeker Farage would be much worse

[joeysteele]

He asked for one inside Joey ,where they could speak, why wasn't that allowed ? it would have been better as it would have been televised and we could have all seen and heard it.

You don't go to other Countries and alter the arrangements of the hosts.
All were already assembled outside.

On the other side what would you think of an EU leader coming here, then refusing to stand at a podium in downing street with our PM to face journalists.
Because of pro brexit supporters chanting.

I'd equally condemn the EU leader as I would any leader not honouring the arrangements of the host.

He should have been the Statesman and made his points, whatever he had.

I don't like this man either but Rees-Mogg didn't run off from protesters when confronted by them, he tried to talk to and with them.
That's commendable at least.

[arista]

The Supreme Court
has stated "Its Purely Political"
what Johnson has done.

No Joke


https://news.sky.com/story/live-protests-as-fight-over-parliaments-suspension-heads-to-supreme-court-11811879

[Twosugars]

EU citizens feel more welcome and safer in Scotland than they do in England, university researchers have found.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/17/eu-citizens-feel-safer-in-scotland-than-in-england-report-says


Not surprising

[arista]

EU citizens feel more welcome and safer in Scotland than they do in England, university researchers have found.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/17/eu-citizens-feel-safer-in-scotland-than-in-england-report-says


Not surprising


Sure No Surprise

[Twosugars]

The UK’s most senior police officer has criticised Boris Johnson for making a political speech in front of a backdrop of police recruits and expressed puzzlement at how it was allowed to take place.

The Metropolitan police commissioner, Cressida Dick, was away earlier this month when the prime minister was accused of abusing the impartiality of the police by making partisan comments about Brexit and the next election at a police training college in Wakefield.

Asked about the incident on an LBC radio phone-in on Tuesday, Dick joined the West Yorkshire police constable, John Robins, in questioning the prime minister’s behaviour.

She said: “To make a highly political speech in front of a group of police officers does seem to me to be problematic on all sides.” She added: “How it happened, I don’t know. But I’m sure everybody wishes it hadn’t happened.”
The Guardian

[arista]

"has criticised"


Johnson PM /Cummings
do not care.

[Withano]

The ****ing hilarious part is that people voted for this government because they were told they were strong and stable. And people are still listening to their words as if they mean a single jot.

[Twosugars]

I place Brexit supporters in 3 categories:

1) Those who have some interest from a financial perspective. Especially those directly affected by the EU's Anti Tax Avoidance Directive. This would have heavily impacted Britain's dependencies and the financial sector. Whilst this is a minority group, they are very powerful.
2) Immigration: Here there are subcategories. -Those whose livelihood has been genuinely affected by mass immigration (cheap labour, housing, etc). -Those who have a nationalistic/jingoistic agenda (still fighting the war). -And those of a xenophobic/ bigoted persuasion. -Individuals who believed 40 year of misinformation spread by various news outlets.
3) Austerity: This group is made up primarily of those whose lives were directly or indirectly affected by 6 years of austerity. Their motivation was to punish the perpetrators of austerity who were also the champions of the remain campaign, namely Cameron and Osborne.



The Guardian

[bots]

the problem with this whole brexit debacle is that each side is personally insulting the other. It's a simple difference of opinion, and people do not need to justify or be pigeon holed in having that opinion, that is not how democracy works.

People have a difference of opinion, each side should accept it. Any close result is going to be contested, that again is democracy. The whole thing is just getting childish and silly. I am ashamed to be British at the moment, and it's not a good feeling

[James]

The GuardianI'd say the only one of those 3 reasons that had any effect on the referendum result was 2. Immigration.

When you look at the surveys which show attitudes to Brexit it is the C2, D and E social classes that more support Brexit with the upper and middle classes supporting Remain more.

I doubt most Leave supporters have their savings squirrelled away in tax havens.

[Twosugars]

I'd say the only one of those 3 reasons that had any effect on the referendum result was 2. Immigration.

When you look at the surveys which show attitudes to Brexit it is the C2, D and E social classes that more support Brexit with the upper and middle classes supporting Remain more.

I doubt most Leave supporters have their savings squirrelled away in tax havens.

Agree. But brexit supporting press magnates and businessmen were instrumental in getting the referendum to happen in the first place. These people are motivated by the tax issue imo.

Re immigration, I wonder how brexit voters will feel when immigration does not decrease post brexit, but change from Europeans to people from further afield.

[The Slim Reaper]

Agree. But brexit supporting press magnates and businessmen were instrumental in getting the referendum to happen in the first place. These people are motivated by the tax issue imo.

Re immigration, I wonder how brexit voters will feel when immigration does not decrease post brexit, but change from Europeans to people from further afield.

Not only that, but this country already had the powers to restrict EU immigration, the fact it didn't was the choice of governments from both parties, not because they didn't have the legislative ability to do so.

[Tom4784]

The podium debacle is one of Boris' own making. He made himself look like a pussy and a bigger joke than he already is. A real leader would have faced the crowd to make his point, I don't blame the Luxembourg leader one bit for doing what he did.

The truth is it's our own government that is sabotaging us and you can bury your heads in the sand all you want but that won't change what is happening or what will happen.

[Twosugars]

Not only that, but this country already had the powers to restrict EU immigration, the fact it didn't was the choice of governments from both parties, not because they didn't have the legislative ability to do so.

It's all a con, the successive governments never represented the people on this issue but big business. Big business needs a constant supply of cheap labour. And that's why it will not change.
Anti immigration sentiment was whipped up for the referendum but since then many key brexit politicians made positive noises about continuing immigration.
Not to mention that some big countries will make easing immigration restrictions part of their free trade negotiations. India has already said that much.
All those who are anti immigration and anti immigrants will not get their wish in the "global Britain"

[Scarlett.]

The ****ing hilarious part is that people voted for this government because they were told they were strong and stable. And people are still listening to their words as if they mean a single jot.

There is this classic tweet from Cameron in 2015
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[Tom4784]

the problem with this whole brexit debacle is that each side is personally insulting the other. It's a simple difference of opinion, and people do not need to justify or be pigeon holed in having that opinion, that is not how democracy works.

People have a difference of opinion, each side should accept it. Any close result is going to be contested, that again is democracy. The whole thing is just getting childish and silly. I am ashamed to be British at the moment, and it's not a good feeling

Enlightened centrism will get us nowhere and false equivalency just paints an equally false picture of what's going on.

This isn't a matter of opinion. There are reports by the government themselves that warn of the likely scenarios of no brexit and so far they've only been made to release the 'not-so-bad outcomes and they're still terrifying. We've been told by experts for years what will happen if Brexit is badly happened and Gove told the cult of Brexit to not pay attention to experts that told them things they didn't want to hear. If all the impartial sources are telling you the same thing, you listen.

Brexiters are willing to drive us all off a cliff just to 'own the remainers' and to feel a sense of victory. They are willing to cut their noses to spite us all, they are beyond reason and I should know because I am surrounded by them on a daily basis, Brexiters don't know what they pulling for because they aren't willing to listen to anything that doesn't please their delicate sensibilities. They think the grass will be greener on the other side despite the facts because they won't hear them.

To me, brexiters are akin to anti-vaxxers and Trump Supporters in that they've all lost touch with reality to chase a fantasy.

Ideally this whole nightmare will end with a compromise, leaving with a deal but the hardcore brexiters that want to doom us all out of spite will make that impossible.

Trying to make out that both sides are as bad as each other is a waste of time.

[arista]

"To me, brexiters are akin to anti-vaxxers and Trump Supporters in that they've all lost touch with reality to chase a fantasy."


You telling me the PM is Bonkers?
Dezzy

You have Marxist Corbyn
or Johnson in next General election
soon.


As for the LibDems
they are busy being Fluffy
and never to be in power.

[Scarlett.]

You telling me the PM is Bonkers?


Yes

[bots]

Enlightened centrism will get us nowhere and false equivalency just paints an equally false picture of what's going on.

This isn't a matter of opinion. There are reports by the government themselves that warn of the likely scenarios of no brexit and so far they've only been made to release the 'not-so-bad outcomes and they're still terrifying. We've been told by experts for years what will happen if Brexit is badly happened and Gove told the cult of Brexit to not pay attention to experts that told them things they didn't want to hear. If all the impartial sources are telling you the same thing, you listen.

Brexiters are willing to drive us all off a cliff just to 'own the remainers' and to feel a sense of victory. They are willing to cut their noses to spite us all, they are beyond reason and I should know because I am surrounded by them on a daily basis, Brexiters don't know what they pulling for because they aren't willing to listen to anything that doesn't please their delicate sensibilities. They think the grass will be greener on the other side despite the facts because they won't hear them.

To me, brexiters are akin to anti-vaxxers and Trump Supporters in that they've all lost touch with reality to chase a fantasy.

Ideally this whole nightmare will end with a compromise, leaving with a deal but the hardcore brexiters that want to doom us all out of spite will make that impossible.

Trying to make out that both sides are as bad as each other is a waste of time.

Peoples decision on whether to choose to leave or remain is an opinion that they are allowed to have without justification. That's the point people are missing. Facts highlighted are used to further a particular argument one way or another. People are really missing the point of democracy, people do not need to justify their decision else it wouldn't be democracy.

So, its not a matter about one side being right or another wrong, it is a democratic right to hold an opinion and not be chastised for doing so

[arista]

Yes


He is not.
He has a Clever Adviser
Dominic Cummings.

The World will carry on , after Brexit.

[arista]

Rumors a 2nd prorogue
could happen just before the 31st

[Tom4784]

Peoples decision on whether to choose to leave or remain is an opinion that they are allowed to have without justification. That's the point people are missing. Facts highlighted are used to further a particular argument one way or another. People are really missing the point of democracy, people do not need to justify their decision else it wouldn't be democracy.

So, its not a matter about one side being right or another wrong, it is a democratic right to hold an opinion and not be chastised for doing so

Bull****. Freedom of speech gives us all a right to an opinion but it does not make that opinion or us beyond reproach. Brexiters are allowed their opinion and I'm allowed to call them out on their utter insanity. That is how freedom of speech works, it is a two way street.

If a decision impacts everyone you can't call any outcry against that decision undemocratic, what you are arguing for is actually really ****ing undemocratic since you're essentially are arguing for silencing the opposition through centrism and false equivalency.

Your centrism in this issue is nothing more than wilful blindness.

[Tom4784]

"To me, brexiters are akin to anti-vaxxers and Trump Supporters in that they've all lost touch with reality to chase a fantasy."


You telling me the PM is Bonkers?
Dezzy

You have Marxist Corbyn
or Johnson in next General election
soon. You've highlighted why Brexiters are so insane here, any criticism and it's instant 'CORBYN THIS, CORBYN THAT'


As for the LibDems
they are busy being Fluffy
and never to be in power.

Don't be so sure about the Lib Dems, they are pretty much the de-facto remain party and unlike Leave which has been split by the Tories and Brexit, remainers who wish to undo brexit only have one party to vote for. Don't be surprised if Lib Dems potentially take it all in an election.

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[arista]

Don't be so sure about the Lib Dems, they are pretty much the de-facto remain party and unlike Leave which has been split by the Tories and Brexit, remainers who wish to undo brexit only have one party to vote for. Don't be surprised if Lib Dems potentially take it all in an election.


Yes but many Voters want
The Corbyn Plan
after he gets Elected
a New Referendum With Remain
or New Labour Plan Leave.


LibDems are Revoke to try and get voters
but no power as , not enough MP's

So they are Fighting the Brexit Party.


And Taken from LibDem Thread:

[This was spoke about on Radio 4 AM
a few days ago
and Jo is getting Angry
that rushed TV debates on Sky , ITV and the BBC
will Exclude the small party LibDems
The Main Two are Johnson & Corbyn. ]

[Scarlett.]

Rumors a 2nd prorogue
could happen just before the 31st

No way that would be allowed

[arista]

No way that would be allowed


We will see.

[The Slim Reaper]

We will see.

Does it not give you any pause the way you cheer on law breaking for the tories, and yet you act like a tough guy on any other crime?

[arista]

Does it not give you any pause the way you cheer on law breaking for the tories, and yet you act like a tough guy on any other crime?


Stop Over reading things.
Law Breaking - No

[Kizzy]

I agree 100% with Ash Sarkar here I believe the govt is trying to create a parliament v the people narrative, the media narrative by the hardliners is very divisive.
Do I think they'll succeed? Thankfully no there are many stupid people in the UK but thankfully not that many.

[The Slim Reaper]

Stop Over reading things.
Law Breaking - No

They're the words you're writing down, my friend.

[arista]

I agree 100% with Ash Sarkar here I believe the govt is trying to create a parliament v the people narrative, the media narrative by the hardliners is very divisive.
Do I think they'll succeed? Thankfully no there are many stupid people in the UK but thankfully not that many.


Yes Ash is Very Clever
I watch everyone viewpoints

[Twosugars]

"To me, brexiters are akin to anti-vaxxers and Trump Supporters in that they've all lost touch with reality to chase a fantasy."


You telling me the PM is Bonkers?
Dezzy

You have Marxist Corbyn
or Johnson in next General election
soon.


As for the LibDems
they are busy being Fluffy
and never to be in power.

What further proof you need that bojo is a lying chancer?


We will see.

So this is the master plan?
It will not happen

[arista]

"So this is the master plan?"


No that is Not the master plan
it is just a rumor

[arista]

"What further proof you need that bojo is a lying chancer?"


I need no proof.
But the Next Election
is Marxist Corbyn or Johnson.

[Twosugars]

"What further proof you need that bojo is a lying chancer?"


I need no proof.
But the Next Election
is Marxist Corbyn or Johnson.

Socialist not marxist
We've gone too far to the right. A course correction is in order

[bots]

"What further proof you need that bojo is a lying chancer?"


I need no proof.
But the Next Election
is Marxist Corbyn or Johnson.

if i remember correctly Arista, you were a staunch Corbyn supporter until recently :fan:

[Twosugars]

if i remember correctly Arista, you were a staunch Corbyn supporter until recently :fan:

:omgno:

[Kazanne]

if i remember correctly Arista, you were a staunch Corbyn supporter until recently :fan:

People change their minds,we were always labour voters until Blair.:wavey:

[arista]

if i remember correctly Arista, you were a staunch Corbyn supporter until recently :fan:

Sure he is OK


I say Marxist Corbyn
as that's what he is.

[arista]

Socialist not marxist
We've gone too far to the right. A course correction is in order


No he is a Proud Marxist

[arista]

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[Twosugars]

Francois is probably the biggest idiot in parliament now, and it is a stiff competition

[Liam-]

How would we react if say, Trump came over here and demanded a press conference was done how he wanted it to be done to avoid reporters and a rowdy crowd? He’d be told to suck it up and go with it cause he’s in Britain, so guess what, Boris should have sucked it up and do what was expected of him, not hide away like the big baby he is because he couldn’t get his own way, he’s the Prime Minister, his duty is to answer to the people and he failed to do that, the sympathy for him is actually baffling, guaranteed it wouldn’t be there if it was someone else, he’s a childish, delusional, ignorant baby.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEqFfT0WsAEFdUg?format=jpg&name=small

[Scarlett.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEqFfT0WsAEFdUg?format=jpg&name=small

I am thoroughly convinced by the jpeg image

[Twosugars]

I am thoroughly convinced by the jpeg image

:joker:

[joeysteele]

People change their minds,we were always labour voters until Blair.:wavey:

I remember you telling me that.
When I said I and most of my family were more Conservative until the coalition got to 2012.

Not that I'd call Blair really Labour mind.


As you say people change their minds.
I have on a new referendum.
People may have changed their minds on leaving the EU too.
Which is why, as much as I detest the present government.
I myself think a referendum not a general election is how to solve this.

I have changed my mind in the last 6 months on a referendum.


I'd rather a referendum with either.
No deal and remain on it.

Or any deal, Mays, or Johnson's if he ever gets one again with remain as choices.

Because only then will you get over 50% for something.
A government elected on between 35% to 40% of the votes is not the way.
No matter the seats they get.

I said earlier, Labour were elected in 2005 with around 35% of the votes.
The Conservatives got around 32%

Yet Labour got a 68 seat overall majority.
That's ridiculous.

No way should Brexit be decided in that way with less than 50% of the votes cast.
In a general election, no one has had 50% of the votes cast for many decades.

I agree with you Kazanne, people do change their minds though.

[Alf]

Bull****. Freedom of speech gives us all a right to an opinion but it does not make that opinion or us beyond reproach. Brexiters are allowed their opinion and I'm allowed to call them out on their utter insanity. That is how freedom of speech works, it is a two way street.

If a decision impacts everyone you can't call any outcry against that decision undemocratic, what you are arguing for is actually really ****ing undemocratic since you're essentially are arguing for silencing the opposition through centrism and false equivalency.

Your centrism in this issue is nothing more than wilful blindness."That is how freedom of speech works, it is a two way street"

You denied me my freedom of speech many times on this forum, when you were a mod.

You massive hypocrite.

[Twosugars]

"That is how freedom of speech works, it is a two way street"

You denied me my freedom of speech many times on this forum, when you were a mod.

You massive hypocrite.

You must have broken the rules :shrug:

[Alf]

You must have broken the rules :shrug:Freedom of speech has rules?

Tell that to your God, Dezzy.

[Tom4784]

And I'm allowed to call you a traitor.

Go side with Luxembourg over your own country. Traitor

Go side with the Empire over your own country, traitor.

The thing you'll find out is,, on here you are allowed to call them out on their insanity, but watch as I get my opinion on you deleted.

You Yellow traitor.

Here's an excellent example of the utter insanity on the Brexit side of things and how so many Brexiters have lost touch with reality.

You are basically embracing facism by making out that any criticism towards Boris Johnson is akin to being a traitor.... You should consider moving to China or North Korea, you'd do well there. Boris Johnson is a man and he is not beyond criticism and it's the right of a free country to criticise it's leadership.

You are utterly ridiculous for trying to make out that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a traitor. It's laughable.

"That is how freedom of speech works, it is a two way street"

You denied me my freedom of speech many times on this forum, when you were a mod.

You massive hypocrite.

You are responsible for your own actions, Alf, no one else so for once in your life accept responsibility for your own damn actions and stop crying about how unfair things are when you get infracted just like everybody else does. You're not complaining about unfair treatment, you're mad you aren't above the rules. Stop acting like a child and blaming everyone else for your choices.

You weren't denied freedom of speech, you got infracted because you can't help but troll, bait and insult people on a regular basis. You are not a victim here and you never will be.

[Scarlett.]

"That is how freedom of speech works, it is a two way street"

You denied me my freedom of speech many times on this forum, when you were a mod.

You massive hypocrite.

It's a privately run website, freedom of speech doesn't extend online :shrug:

[Alf]

It's a privately run website, freedom of speech doesn't extend online :shrug:So it doesn't exist then.

[Alf]

Here's an excellent example of the utter insanity on the Brexit side of things and how so many Brexiters have lost touch with reality.

You are basically embracing facism by making out that any criticism towards Boris Johnson is akin to being a traitor.... You should consider moving to China or North Korea, you'd do well there. Boris Johnson is a man and he is not beyond criticism and it's the right of a free country to criticise it's leadership.

You are utterly ridiculous for trying to make out that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a traitor. It's laughable.



You are responsible for your own actions, Alf, no one else so for once in your life accept responsibility for your own damn actions and stop crying about how unfair things are when you get infracted just like everybody else does. You're not complaining about unfair treatment, you're mad you aren't above the rules. Stop acting like a child and blaming everyone else for your choices.

You weren't denied freedom of speech, you got infracted because you can't help but troll, bait and insult people on a regular basis. You are not a victim here and you never will be.How am I the victim?

My vote won.

[Scarlett.]

So it doesn't exist then.

It exists in real life, but the internet is a bunch of different sites ran by a wide range of international companies, and to post on them you must follow their rules.

[Alf]

Here's an excellent example of the utter insanity on the Brexit side of things and how so many Brexiters have lost touch with reality.

You are basically embracing facism by making out that any criticism towards Boris Johnson is akin to being a traitor.... You should consider moving to China or North Korea, you'd do well there. Boris Johnson is a man and he is not beyond criticism and it's the right of a free country to criticise it's leadership.

You are utterly ridiculous for trying to make out that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a traitor. It's laughable.



You are responsible for your own actions, Alf, no one else so for once in your life accept responsibility for your own damn actions and stop crying about how unfair things are when you get infracted just like everybody else does. You're not complaining about unfair treatment, you're mad you aren't above the rules. Stop acting like a child and blaming everyone else for your choices.

You weren't denied freedom of speech, you got infracted because you can't help but troll, bait and insult people on a regular basis. You are not a victim here and you never will be.I'm embracing fascism, because I voted in the UK's referendum. I'm embracing fascism because I expect that winning vote to be implemented.

I'm not the one trying to obstruct and overturn the democratic vote of the people of the United Kingdom.

[Twosugars]

Freedom of speech has rules?

Tell that to your God, Dezzy.

Take that up with the forum admins.

[Alf]

It exists in real life, but the internet is a bunch of different sites ran by a wide range of international companies, and to post on them you must follow their rules.You're giving these international companies too much power by submitting to them.

Free speech is, or should be a human right.

What if these international companies had rules that said that anybody who is openly gay, will be silenced, would you just follow their rules, and accept that?

[Kazanne]

I'm embracing fascism, because I voted in the UK's referendum. I'm embracing fascism because I expect that winning vote to be implemented.

I'm not the one trying to obstruct and overturn the democratic vote of the people of the United Kingdom.

:clap1::clap1:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEuahDgX4AAMrty?format=jpg&name=small


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[arista]

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[Kizzy]

Nobody apart from the lib dems are attempting to do that, and they have 18 MPs. . Apart from stopping brexit they don't appear to have any other policies.

[arista]

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[Kazanne]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEuahDgX4AAMrty?format=jpg&name=small


1174097118631464960

:laugh: He's like a yoyo

[joeysteele]

I can go with Labour just going with what voters decided in a referendum.
On 'a deal negotiated to be in a customs union' or 'remain'.

Either being acceptable, that I would be happy with.
That's Corbyn's position.

Although the party conference may yet demand a stronger remain stance, which he'd have to abide by if that was passed.


There won't be, however if a referendum was held as to 'no deal' or 'remain', then obviously Labour would support remain.

I could support both to remain or leave with a deal that included a customs union arrangement.

So Labour policy makes sense to me.

I'd just never support a no deal scenario.

I don't agree with the Lib Dem position of, were they, ( fantasy land however), to go from 18 seats, ( around 5 of which were NOT won seats but people leaving other parties), to over 320 seats.
I cannot support the lack of all democracy in not asking voters if they want to revoke or leave with a deal.
Nor after a general election, with 320+ MPs, but likely no more than 35% to 40% of votes cast.
To just carry out revoking.

The Con position, who are the government,( just), is bad too.
A no deal scenario looming and a power crazed dangerous madman seemingly deceiving all and determined to take us to that no deal scenario.

In 1975, Harold Wilson did recommend 'in' during the referendum.
However all his MPs and Cabinet were free to follow either side of the issue.
That was right then and could be right now.

Even Cameron had the same position re MPs and his Cabinet.
Although he was firmly on the remain side himself.

If all through, Cabinet and Shadow Cabinet and ALL MPs been able to decide all on free votes and not party whip voting.
We maybe would have avoided this chaos and mess that's been created the last 3+ years now.

[joeysteele]

How would we react if say, Trump came over here and demanded a press conference was done how he wanted it to be done to avoid reporters and a rowdy crowd? He’d be told to suck it up and go with it cause he’s in Britain, so guess what, Boris should have sucked it up and do what was expected of him, not hide away like the big baby he is because he couldn’t get his own way, he’s the Prime Minister, his duty is to answer to the people and he failed to do that, the sympathy for him is actually baffling, guaranteed it wouldn’t be there if it was someone else, he’s a childish, delusional, ignorant baby.


Spot on again Liam.
On the World stage, he makes the UK a laughing stock.

[arista]

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For Alf

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEvaSV5XoAANshH?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

1174293410708168704

[Twosugars]

Poland’s ambassador to the UK has written to 800,000 Poles advising them to “seriously consider” returning home and expressed concern about the application process for getting settled status in the UK after Brexit.

Arkady Rzegocki said while the process was straightforward, he was concerned. “Forty-two percent of EU citizens who have applied to achieve settled status have had problems. Many have received pre-settled status,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme on Wednesday.
The Guardian

[Tom4784]

1174272274494631938


Fools, the only thing anyone who wants No Deal is fighting for is a better tax deal for the elites that have taken advantage the Brexiters' gullibility.

[The Slim Reaper]

Poland’s ambassador to the UK has written to 800,000 Poles advising them to “seriously consider” returning home and expressed concern about the application process for getting settled status in the UK after Brexit.

Arkady Rzegocki said while the process was straightforward, he was concerned. “Forty-two percent of EU citizens who have applied to achieve settled status have had problems. Many have received pre-settled status,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme on Wednesday.
The Guardian

You got room for an Englishman?

[arista]

1174295949394534400

Good Enough for use in a Labour Party Political Broadcast



Although it appears to be a set up?
https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1174310553201926144/Z1Y1zmTm?format=jpg&name=small


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[Twosugars]

You got room for an Englishman?
always :)

[Kizzy]

1174295949394534400

Good Enough for use in a Labour Party Political Broadcast



Although it appears to be a set up?
https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1174310553201926144/Z1Y1zmTm?format=jpg&name=small


1174314704589807616

Makes up for all those tory plants in question time and in the televised debates . :idc: what he said was bob on mind.

[Vanessa]

Poland’s ambassador to the UK has written to 800,000 Poles advising them to “seriously consider” returning home and expressed concern about the application process for getting settled status in the UK after Brexit.

Arkady Rzegocki said while the process was straightforward, he was concerned. “Forty-two percent of EU citizens who have applied to achieve settled status have had problems. Many have received pre-settled status,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme on Wednesday.
The Guardian

Really? I got an answer pretty much straitaway. But I have the right papers. Maybe some don't? :think:

[Twosugars]

Really? I got an answer pretty much straitaway. But I have the right papers. Maybe some don't? :think:

It was in papers not long ago. Idk what it is but 42% have trouble. It could be serious in years to come

[Vanessa]

It was in papers not long ago. Idk what it is but 42% have trouble. It could be serious in years to come

They can still appeal. Hopefully they will all get to stay.

[Twosugars]

The supreme court told:

We’ve got hear the mother of parliaments being shut down by the father of lies. Rather than allowing lies to triumph, listen to the angels of your better nature and rule that this prorogation is unlawful and an abuse of power which has been entrusted to the government.

This government is showing itself unworthy of our trust as it uses the powers of its office in a manner that is corrosive of the constitution and destructive of the system of parliamentary representative democracy on which our union polity is founded.

Enough is enough. Dismiss this appeal, and let them know that. That’s what truth speaking to power sounds like.
The Guardian

[The Slim Reaper]

1174295949394534400

Good Enough for use in a Labour Party Political Broadcast



Although it appears to be a set up?


He poisoned his son to get him in hospital at just the right time?

[Cherie]

It was in papers not long ago. Idk what it is but 42% have trouble. It could be serious in years to come

did you have to apply,? I have quite a few EU co-workers who had no issues but then they were supported in their applications by the University

[Twosugars]

did you have to apply,? I have quite a few EU co-workers who had no issues but then they were supported in their applications by the University

I have a dual citizenship so no.

[Vicky.]

1174295949394534400

Good Enough for use in a Labour Party Political Broadcast



Although it appears to be a set up?
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I don't think there should ever be those ridiculous setup 'press meetings' in hospital, where politicians or whoever the **** wants to use ill people to make themselves look good invite the press there, so they can be filmed appearing to give a **** tbh.

I also kind of don't get why someone would blame Boris for stuff thats happened before he was 'in charge'. I do get what this guy is talking about mind. And of course he is 100% correct..years of 'austerity' has damaged the NHS possibly beyond repair...along with loads of other issues. Never really understood the 'austerity' plan if I am honest, I don't see how it could possibly work to recover an economy, if anything, it would make things worse from what I understand? Anyway, thats besides the point really. So yeah, agree with this guy, but feel his anger is a bit misdirected really, but something needs to be done and that CAN be Boris..won't be though I don't think..

[arista]

He poisoned his son to get him in hospital at just the right time?


Of Course Not
But he spoke like
as a Active Labour Activist

If only he was not high up in the Labour Party
it would have been great for
a Labour Party Election Broadcast


There he is
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEwQK7yXsAAQCAu?format=jpg&name=small

[Scarlett.]

How dare someone express and opinion and show up God Emperor Boris! They must be some kind of evil remoaner heretic

[arista]

How dare someone express and opinion and show up God Emperor Boris! They must be some kind of evil remoaner heretic



No Its Fine
his kid is ill.

But its important we all know who he is
and that he works for the Labour Party.


Fair and Balanced News

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEaYZoyX4AAFnDD?format=jpg&name=small



I am Fair and Balanced.

[Twosugars]

I don't think there should ever be those ridiculous setup 'press meetings' in hospital, where politicians or whoever the **** wants to use ill people to make themselves look good invite the press there, so they can be filmed appearing to give a **** tbh.

I also kind of don't get why someone would blame Boris for stuff thats happened before he was 'in charge'. I do get what this guy is talking about mind. And of course he is 100% correct..years of 'austerity' has damaged the NHS possibly beyond repair...along with loads of other issues. Never really understood the 'austerity' plan if I am honest, I don't see how it could possibly work to recover an economy, if anything, it would make things worse from what I understand? Anyway, thats besides the point really. So yeah, agree with this guy, but feel his anger is a bit misdirected really, but something needs to be done and that CAN be Boris..won't be though I don't think..

All those meetings were booked bc he thought he'd have an election campaign

Austerity is about government spending and hits government employees and public services. It's about balancing the books ie reducing public debt by reducing government expenditure.
Nothing to do with growing economy as that's private sector. And as long as theres a stimulus of lower taxes, easier borrowing etc the economy may still grow while the public sector suffers. Not forever of course. That's an outline and I'm sure I didnt explain it well enough and/or missed something.

[Kizzy]

Saw the full exchange on the news, Boris just can't help but lie can he?
Guy: "You're here for a press opportunity!"
Bojo: "No I'm not"
Guy: *points to TV camera.

[joeysteele]

Saw the full exchange on the news, Boris just can't help but lie can he?
Guy: "You're here for a press opportunity!"
Bojo: "No I'm not"
Guy: *points to TV camera.

Deceit and lying are in my view, the only things he's perfected.

[Scarlett.]

Okay then :unsure:

[Alf]

So what was he, a plant? A Labour actavist?

[Alf]

Wow, and this is an example of the attitudes of those not Labour.
God help the UK then.That's not an argument. that's just you throwing a tantrum.

Leave means leave.

[Twosugars]

Cameron on the referendum


As early as January 2012, Cameron said he thought a referendum would be a good idea because the EU bloc was becoming “multi-speed” as a result of the single currency. He said he had held this view before the rise of the Ukip threat or increases in immigration – and that it was not driven by the need to protect the Conservative party from Ukip’s advances.

He wrote that during the referendum campaign Lord Rothermere, the owner of the staunchly pro-Brexit Daily Mail, told him over tea in Downing Street that leaving the EU would be “a disaster”.

Cameron replied: “Why on earth have you got someone editing the Daily Mail who is determined to drive us out?” This was reported as Cameron urging Rothermere to sack Paul Dacre, but Cameron says this was not the case, although he added: “I wish I had.” Rothermere replaced Dacre two years after the Brexit vote.

[Twosugars]

The Department for Education has told schools to ensure their own sources of food in the event of the UK leaving the EU without a deal, as part of an urgent appeal to gauge preparations for Brexit.

The letter from the DfE – sent out this week and revealed by the education company Tes – was criticised by school leaders for putting the burden for maintaining food supplies on English schools and councils without giving any practical advice or support.

It comes after a secret DfE briefing paper last month warned of food and travel disruption possibly leading to school closures, as well as difficulties in administering exams, if there were a no-deal Brexit.
The Guardian

[Twosugars]

Northern Ireland’s chief constable has said his police officers could be killed if they had to patrol border checkpoints in the event of a hard Brexit.

Simon Byrne told the Guardian he opposed officers having to patrol checkpoints on a physical border between Northern Ireland and the Republic and said officers who were already under huge strain would be placed in danger policing any checkpoints.
The Guardian

[Kizzy]

So what was he, a plant? A Labour actavist?

No of course he wasn't a plant, I was highlighting that does happen.. but of course it isn't the case here! Have you read or seen the footage?
Yes he is an activist which in this case is besides the point he was speaking in his capacity as frightened father not Labour activist, from the report that is obvious and his points are valid.

[bots]

Does anyone honestly think that Boris does anything that doesn't stroke his own ego?

He got caught out and it doesn't matter who caught him out, it was Boris himself who put himself in the position to be caught out

[Ammi]

...I just think it’s extraordinary that the focus has been on a father, because of his political leanings....rather than a father with a one week old daughter who in his words..’almost died’ because of the wait she was subjected to on the ward...this could be the child of any one of us, no matter what our politics...is that not the main focus of concern, an indication of a serious failing of our health service...

[Kizzy]

...I just think it’s extraordinary that the focus has been on a father, because of his political leanings....rather than a father with a one week old daughter who in his words..’almost died’ because of the wait she was subjected to on the ward...this could be the child of any one of us, no matter what our politics...is that not the main focus of concern, an indication of a serious failing of our health service...

Of course that's the point Ammi, had he not been an activist the guy would be a hero!
Opinion seems to be that due to his activism his anger should be viewed with scepticism, it's a sad indictment of how indoctrinated we've become.

[joeysteele]

Of course that's the point Ammi, had he not been an activist the guy would be a hero!
Opinion seems to be that due to his activism his anger should be viewed with scepticism, it's a sad indictment of how indoctrinated we've become.


I don't care what anyone's political leanings or even if they are or not a Party's activist.

You're hardly going to see a Con activist taking on the PM.

It's more likely going to be those from other Parties or none.
To suggest a child would be better off dead than have a Father highlighting the failings of care in a hospital.
Is disgusting.

The telling point of this too in addition to the problems in hospitals now.
Is when as you said, the PM tried to indicate all this wasn't a photo opportunity for the press, and that none were there.
Only for this worried Father to direct his hand towards them, showing they were there.

Johnson takes others for fools, yesterday he showed himself a dangerous fool.

He is the present PM.
His Party in government have run down the NHS, the top down reorganisation, promised would not happen post 2010.
Still causing problems now across the board.

Johnson supported his Party's policy, as to cuts,although to be fair, he wasn't an MP when the NHS reorganisation was done.

He's sought the top job however so he now gets the fallout from the results of bad policy.
To his credit, he himself has said he was pleased this Father confronted him.

What worried Father or Mother or any other next of kin wouldn't confront anyone who should be doing more and not messing about on photo shoots.

(By the way Alf, if all you think I was doing is ranting, that's quite hypocritical considering the post I was responding, out of sheer disgust to).

On another issue now.
Also as to 'leave means leave', what an actually hollow term that is in my view.
Anyone even to just be wanting to leave a job, would, if they were sensible, ensure their security, plans and the way forward before doing so
.
On that small point, then setting out to be leaving an institution after over 40 years, should require the longest and most best prepared of all, as to future, security, plans and the very best of all ways forward.
Before leaving.

I've just watched on breakfast TV, asking people about a possible shortage of medicines
A guy on insulin said he didn't care if he couldn't get his insulin, as long as we left the EU.
For crying out loud, what is happening to the basic common sense of some in this Country.

[MTVN]

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[Kizzy]

Of course it's an embarrassment he's had every senior role going! He's had a microscopic view on the impact of Tory austerity for almost 20yrs!!... Who is he trying to kid? Foff Boris you absolute joke of a man.

[MTVN]

Of course it's an embarrassment he's had every senior role going! He's had a microscopic view on the impact of Tory austerity for almost 20yrs!!... Who is he trying to kid? Foff Boris you absolute joke of a man.

Apart from foreign secretary he has never had a major role in government

Boris has put the NHS at the centre of his ambitions so far so worth waiting to see if he can deliver before unleashing a furious rant at him when he's been PM less than 2 months

[arista]

So what was he, a plant? A Labour actavist?



No his Child is Ill.
So he had a Right to have a Go at the PM

But as he was a Labour Activist
it gave him a boost.


A Doctor has said
the Dad was put close to the PM
so as he walked past he could then have ago.

[arista]

A Strange by product from this
A Twitter Campaign to sack Laura Kuenssberg
As she reported he is a Labour Activist.
Which is True
Of Course others were onto who he was long before Laura .

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[Kizzy]

Apart from foreign secretary he has never had a major role in government

Boris has put the NHS at the centre of his ambitions so far so worth waiting to see if he can deliver before unleashing a furious rant at him when he's been PM less than 2 months

I didn't say only in govt did I? Within his conservative career, he was London mayor for 2 terms, look at his amazing record there, he can't and won't deliver... it was nothing more than was said..a press opportunity. There are jobs on indeed today crying out for managers for PFI contracts, that are still being awarded that suck the NHS dry.. what will he do about that?
It's comparable to throwing money down a drain.

This pathetic electioneering is so transparent.

[bots]

A Strange by product from this
A Twitter Campaign to sack Laura Kuenssberg
As she reported he is a Labour Activist.
Which is True
Of Course others were onto who he was long before Laura .

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i've never liked her. Any time she is on I switch to another channel.

[smudgie]

A Strange by product from this
A Twitter Campaign to sack Laura Kuenssberg
As she reported he is a Labour Activist.
Which is True
Of Course others were onto who he was long before Laura .

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The works is going mad.
She is a political journalist..she didn’t lie.
So she must be sacked:joker:

[arista]

The works is going mad.
She is a political journalist..she didn’t lie.
So she must be sacked:joker:


Yes I posted it long before her.
Its her duty to report hidden facts

[arista]

This one is crazy

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[MTVN]

A Strange by product from this
A Twitter Campaign to sack Laura Kuenssberg
As she reported he is a Labour Activist.
Which is True
Of Course others were onto who he was long before Laura .

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Typical of the brocialists that they viciously target the woman journalist, I see all sorts of sexist stuff said about her from people who like to make out they are great champions of equality. Doubt there'd be this outrage if someone like Peston had done it

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

Typical of the brocialists that they viciously target the woman journalist, I see all sorts of sexist stuff said about her from people who like to make out they are great champions of equality. Doubt there'd be this outrage if someone like Peston had done it

Her job is to report the news.. not 'out' activists :/
Ask yourself; in that instance was it relevant? She appeared to be acting solely as damage limitation for the PM!
Of couse had it been the other attack dogs peston or Neil they wouldve got the same reaction because it's wholly expected now. Like boris they're a joke, professional integrity went out the window years ago.

[Kizzy]

In other news 330,000 to lose homes to pay care bills.... That's the gray vote gone then.

[MTVN]

Her job is to report the news.. not 'out' activists :/
Ask yourself; in that instance was it relevant? She appeared to be acting solely as damage limitation for the PM!
Of couse had it been the other attack dogs peston or Neil they wouldve got the same reaction because it's wholly expected now. Like boris they're a joke, professional integrity went out the window years ago.

Yes and this was a news story, the guy was very proud of being an activist and said himself that his Labour background was important so I hardly see the issue especially considering it had already been reported that he was a Labour activist

[Twosugars]

Yes and this was a news story, the guy was very proud of being an activist and said himself that his Labour background was important so I hardly see the issue especially considering it had already been reported that he was a Labour activist

Doesnt take away from his argument though. NHS is in a poor state

[Kizzy]

Yes and this was a news story, the guy was very proud of being an activist and said himself that his Labour background was important so I hardly see the issue especially considering it had already been reported that he was a Labour activist

Not more important than his daughter and his experience of her care..get some perspective!
Yes it was old news , so why would she reiterate it like it bore some relevance?...it didn't .

[joeysteele]

Doesnt take away from his argument though. NHS is in a poor state

Really bad it is the state its in.

I for one certainly am worried as to the NHS now.
I was in 2010.
It's why I voted Lib Dem for my sins.

Then they supported the top down unnecessary and damaging costly top down reorganisation.
Which wasn't in either the Con or Lib Dem manifesto.

So much for coalition being about compromise.

That reorganisation is still causing problems right now.
Should never have been done.

[MTVN]

Not more important than his daughter and his experience of her care..get some perspective!
Yes it was old news , so why would she reiterate it like it bore some relevance?...it didn't .

Actually yes he thought the two were inextricably linked

[Twosugars]

Is the bad state of nhs a partisan point or objective truth? That's the key.
You dont need to be a labour activist not to believe the government propaganda that things are great

[Alf]

We might have a few more Bob for the NHS if we wasn't giving billions to the EU each year.

[MTVN]

I haven't really expressed a view on that, I just think the flash mob against Laura Kuennsberg is unfair and fits into a broader hate campaign that a lot on the left have carried out against her for ages (remember last year she needed bodyguards when attending the Labour conference)

[Twosugars]

We might have a few more Bob for the NHS if we wasn't giving billions to the EU each year.

Not really.
Access to eu single market brings a lot in taxes via business profits. And it will be seriously smaller in future which means less money to spend on nhs
Other eu countries like France or germany are also net contributors and have decent health service

[The Slim Reaper]

We might have a few more Bob for the NHS if we wasn't giving billions to the EU each year.

Somebody should put that on a bus.

I know you don't believe in facts, but here ya go:

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[Tom4784]

Somebody should put that on a bus.

I know you don't believe in facts, but here ya go:

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'B-But immigration?!'

[The Slim Reaper]

'B-But immigration?!'

Economic anxiety.

Here is farage admitting the UK already has the ability to curb EU immigration;

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People promoting brexit as a way to save the NHS, when the NHS itself, and all healthcare professional organisations have spoken up against it, is next level refusal to acknowledge reality.

[Twosugars]

Immigration will stay undiminished. Leavers were sold a lie.

Wonder if any of them will riot when they realise they've been duped?
My money is on that they will remain in denial and clutch at straws to justify their stupid decision

[Alf]

The rebel Alliance will destroy your Empire, we'll never turn to the Dark side.

Feel the Force

[arista]

The rebel Alliance will destroy your Empire, we'll never turn to the Dark side.

Feel the Force



Spiffing

[arista]

Poxy Slow Supreme Court
is not going to conclude
until Monday or Tuesday


[15:28
End of session
Court is now over. We will hear from the judges' early next week.]

https://news.sky.com/story/john-major-to-intervene-at-supreme-court-battle-over-suspension-of-parliament-11813644

[Lord Keen sums up govt’s case - prorogation
is ‘forbidden territory’ for the courts.
Admits it is an ‘ill-defined minefield’, but one that the courts are ‘not properly equipped’ to deal with.
#supremecourt
2:14 PM - Sep 19, 2019]




Early today
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[Tom4784]

Nothing proves that the leaver side has taken leave of their senses like making out that Brexit is akin to Star Wars and they are saviours somehow.

[arista]

Nothing proves that the leaver side has taken leave of their senses like making out that Brexit is akin to Star Wars and they are saviours somehow.


Of Course
You can not blame the Spirit of Alf

[arista]

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Faiza a "possible" New Labour MP
got told off for using that word

[arista]

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The PM as he left that hospital , yesterday.

[Twosugars]

Of Course
You can not blame the Spirit of Alf

Wtf is spirit of Alf? You going supernatural on us now?

[Toy Soldier]

Wtf is spirit of Alf?

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TastyVengefulAfricanbushviper-size_restricted.gif

[arista]

Wtf is spirit of Alf? You going supernatural on us now?


No he is still with us.
Alf can have a Strong Spirit
its the way he speaks


Get your Church Out of This

[Twosugars]

No he is still with us.
Alf can have a Strong Spirit
its the way he speaks


Get your Church Out of This

I dont care about his alcohol intake

[Vicky.]

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:D

[arista]

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[arista]

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Sophie Ridge
SkyNewsHD reported this yesterday.
Juncker prefers a New Deal.

[joeysteele]

IF what he's handed in as ideas and thoughts, not firm proposals, are eligible for consideration by the EU.
Fair enough.

I have no time for Johnson or his domestic policies.

If he actually does follow a path of reason and does really work FOR, not just pay lip service to, getting a deal.
That will be good.

To shut up the extreme hardliners in his Cabinet too.

I'd hope a deal he got was supported.

Frankly though, I do think a confirmatory public vote on the deal or remain.
Still would be desirable.

If however, after all his rubbish so far on Brexit, he can get a deal, then I'd wish him good luck on that.

A deal preferably that doesn't suit the DUP and his extreme loudmouthed ERG grouping.
Would be welcomed by me.
I think it could attract many more Labour votes too.

Still tight arithmetic but a bit of hope possibly.

He will need an extension .
I don't get why he'd oppose that to secure a possible deal.
He isn't really the one asking for it, he as PM would only be doing what PMs ought to, obey the will of Parliament.

I don't like. trust or believe Johnson on just about anything.
If he's really serious on getting a valid deal for ALL.
Then he, in my view, warrants full support to that aim.

[bots]

the way i look at it, the moment Boris became PM, he had to play everything perfectly to be successful. In contrast, what we have seen is him bumbling along achieving nothing. A complete and utter failure. He has shown himself to be all talk and no substance. That is his record, and a no deal brexit cannot be spun any other way than a complete and utter failure that he is responsible for. The only way he has any chance of rescuing this is by getting a deal and time is running out. If brexit is delayed until next year, there will most likely be another GE and he will be toast.

[Toy Soldier]

The chances of him getting a deal that makes it through parliament are effectively zero. Shrug.

[arista]

The chances of him getting a deal that makes it through parliament are effectively zero. Shrug.


Well he will have to Shut Down the buggers
Again.

[arista]

For Two Sugars

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Last Night Mercury Awards
London
SlowThai bugger

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the 21 year old winner
on the left with his Mum
all dedicated to His brother In jail
he stabbed a another to death.

[Vicky.]

the way i look at it, the moment Boris became PM, he had to play everything perfectly to be successful. In contrast, what we have seen is him bumbling along achieving nothing. A complete and utter failure. He has shown himself to be all talk and no substance. That is his record, and a no deal brexit cannot be spun any other way than a complete and utter failure that he is responsible for. The only way he has any chance of rescuing this is by getting a deal and time is running out. If brexit is delayed until next year, there will most likely be another GE and he will be toast.

I disagree, he was never going to be sucessful, noone who took over the brexit mess was going to be. They are only there so the blame when it all goes to **** (more than already) can be pinned on them and it can be cried 'the PM at the time messed up, but I...will not' when the new con leader is announced :rolleyes: As of course that kind of childish nonsense matters much much more than our country..nt getting screwed in the first place. Hell, wouldn't be surprised if they found some way to blame labour for it all too..just waiting for it.

[Vicky.]

For Two Sugars

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Last Night Mercury Awards
London
SlowThai bugger

Idiot..

[arista]

Idiot..


Its the only way to get his Rapper Name around the World

[Vicky.]

Its the only way to get his Rapper Name around the World

All it will do is make people think he is a tryhard idiot so desperate for publicity and lacking in actual humour that he finds stunts like this funny. Especially post-Cox.

A couple might find him amazing. But those couple are braidead twats so much so that noone should care about their opinion anyway so :shrug:

[arista]

All it will do is make people think he is a tryhard idiot so desperate for publicity and lacking in actual humour that he finds stunts like this funny. Especially post-Cox.

A couple might find him amazing. But those couple are braidead twats so much so that noone should care about their opinion anyway so :shrug:



Yes many pointing out Murdered Cox MP
on twitter.

And this
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[arista]

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[Twosugars]

For Two Sugars

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Last Night Mercury Awards


Thanks Arista

Although I dont support stunts like that. Lampoon him but show him alive not dead

Then again theres this long tradition of burning an effigy of a hated figure on bonfire night.
Dunno, but showing him decapitated seems wrong.

Edit: like the tshirt though :laugh:

[Vicky.]

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Of course

I swear, these days the guardian is not even fit to wipe my arse with. I seriously put it in the same category at the likes of the mail now (though obviously at opposite ends of the spectrum). Just the amount of twisting that goes on utterly changes the story, they ignore stuff they don't like completely and articles seem to be just ful of appealing to emotions, rather than actually caring about the facts.

I don't find it the least bit surprising that they seem to be struggling for funding.

[Alf]

Thanks Arista

Although I dont support stunts like that. Lampoon him but show him alive not dead

Then again theres this long tradition of burning an effigy of a hated figure on bonfire night.
Dunno, but showing him decapitated seems wrong.

Edit: like the tshirt though :laugh:How much do you like the T shirts? Enough to purchase one?

Because he's flogging them on Twitter.

[Twosugars]

Of course

I swear, these days the guardian is not even fit to wipe my arse with. I seriously put it in the same category at the likes of the mail now (though obviously at opposite ends of the spectrum). Just the amount of twisting that goes on utterly changes the story, they ignore stuff they don't like completely and articles seem to be just ful of appealing to emotions, rather than actually caring about the facts.

I don't find it the least bit surprising that they seem to be struggling for funding.

Strongly disagree.
They have opinion pieces like every paper

And you are wrong on funding, they've broken even last year thanks to support of its readers
At least they dont sit in the pockets of rich barons like the times, the mail or telegraph

[Twosugars]

How much do you like the T shirts? Enough to purchase one?

Because he's flogging them on Twitter.

Depends how much he wants

[Twosugars]

Laura Snapes is a deputy music editor, hardly a shaper of the Guardian political line!

The Guardian clearly allows his journalists to have their own opinions

[Vicky.]

Strongly disagree.
They have opinion pieces like every paper

And you are wrong on funding, they've broken even last year thanks to support of its readers
At least they dont sit in the pockets of rich barons like the times, the mail or telegraph

Ah right, assumed because it bombards me with ads there was issues, they even ****ing email me asking to donate :laugh:

[Alf]

Laura Snapes is a deputy music editor, hardly a shaper of the Guardian political line!

The Guardian clearly allows his journalists to have their own opinionsAn opinion piece isn't journalism. Journalism is researching, investigating, interviewing, getting to the facts. An opinion piece is one person's own opinion on something, it's no greater than yours or my opinion.

[Vicky.]

An opinion piece isn't journalism. Journalism is researching, investigating, interviewing, getting to the facts. An opinion piece is one person's own opinion on something, it's no greater than yours or my opinion.

This is a massive problem with 'journalism' today, thats exactly what people thin it is, opinion pieces. Its rare to see any actual investigative work going on.

[Cherie]

The chances of him getting a deal that makes it through parliament are effectively zero. Shrug.

Even if its Mays deal is slightly tweaked and represented I understand many of those who voted against it have changed their minds, the ERG are getting twitchy as they think Boris is going to stitch them up, I wouldn’t put it past him

[Twosugars]

An opinion piece isn't journalism. Journalism is researching, investigating, interviewing, getting to the facts. An opinion piece is one person's own opinion on something, it's no greater than yours or my opinion.

You will find it can be both

[Twosugars]

Ah right, assumed because it bombards me with ads there was issues, they even ****ing email me asking to donate :laugh:

Luckily enough people responded to those appeals for the paper to continue. :laugh:

I'd rather this model of funding by readers than a nefarious owner dictating opinions like the antichrist Murdoch (may he burn in hell for eternity) and others

[Alf]

You will find it can be bothHow will I find it can be both? Are you going to explain to me how it can be both?

[Vicky.]

Luckily enough people responded to those appeals for the paper to continue.

I'd rather this model of funding by readers than a nefarious owner dictating opinions like the antichrist Murdoch (may he burn in hell for eternity) and others

But they are still sending them..on an almost weekly basis :suspect:

Either way..makes no odds really. I just find myself using the site less and less by the month, so donating now would be silly. I did used to donate a while back as it was my go to read and it seemed the right thing to do. But not now. Glad others are enough for it to stay open though. As much as I find it ridiculously biased, almost comincal sometimes tbh, I wouldn't want it gone really, as left wing news sources are pretty scarce, seems to be almost all right wing stuff. Just wish that there were a few sources that would actually do fair reporting, rather than slanting it beyond belief whichever way.

[Twosugars]

How will I find it can be both? Are you going to explain to me how it can be both?

All media do both, news and opinion.
TV, radio and press.
Individuals can do either or both.

When you watch say Peston, he reports and gives his opinion too

But newsreaders are just that

[Twosugars]

But they are still sending them..on an almost weekly basis :suspect:

Either way..makes no odds really. I just find myself using the site less and less by the month, so donating now would be silly. I did used to donate a while back as it was my go to read and it seemed the right thing to do. But not now. Glad others are enough for it to stay open though. As much as I find it ridiculously biased, almost comincal sometimes tbh, I wouldn't want it gone really, as left wing news sources are pretty scarce, seems to be almost all right wing stuff. Just wish that there were a few sources that would actually do fair reporting, rather than slanting it beyond belief whichever way.

There used to be at least one paper of record. The Times for example, before the antichrist took over. Just news or a clear division between news and the opinion section.

Of course they are sending them. Support base is never static

[Alf]

All media do both, news and opinion.
TV, radio and press.
Individuals can do either or both.

When you watch say Peston, he reports and gives his opinion tooBut his opinion isn't the journalism, he's not getting to the facts of the subject by giving his own personal opinion.

If I was stopped on the street by a reporter and asked to give my opinion on something, it wouldn't make me a journalist, but it would make the reporter one.

When someone like Owen Jones writes an opinion piece for The Guardian, he's not a journalist, because he doesn't put in the investigitve work, he's just speaking his own truths.

Let's say he wrote a piece on Tommy Robinson. My question to Jones would be. "That's your side of the story, what does Tommy Robinson have to say on the matter? Are we just supposed to take your personal opinion as facts, or are we gonna get to the truth? Did you interview Tommy Robinson, what did he say? "

[Vicky.]

There used to be at least one paper of record. The Times for example, before the antichrist took over. Just news or a clear division between news and the opinion section.

Of course they are sending them. Support base is never static

I actually now find the times to be the closest to impartial as there is. I know it shouldnt be that way given the owner, but it appears he has little input and its all down to staff, so of course, quality can differer between the news sources.

Not saying its perfect by any means. But I do seem to see a large range of voices on any given topic, and they seem to not quite slant stories (or none I have read anyway) so badly it gives a different story to the actual story :laugh:

[Kazanne]

For Two Sugars

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Last Night Mercury Awards
London
SlowThai bugger

1174956439124660227
the 21 year old winner
on the left with his Mum
all dedicated to His brother In jail
he stabbed a another to death.


That's disgusting and very offensive to those people who have suffered someone who has been beheaded,if it had been anyone else people would have been in an uproar, stupid stunt,not funny and not clever ,bloody moron.

[Kizzy]

The decapitation stunt? Misguided at best, incendiary at worst.
No respect for anyone who feels this is the right way to get across the message that Boris is not the right person to lead this country in this manner.

[Toy Soldier]

Oh yes. Plz plz help! A fake head that you'd see on any street at Halloween is a prime example of extreme politics at the moment. :hehe:

[Cherie]

Oh yes. Plz plz help! A fake head that you'd see on any street at Halloween is a prime example of extreme politics at the moment. :hehe:

They are generally not depicting a real life person though?

[Tom4784]

Oh yes. Plz plz help! A fake head that you'd see on any street at Halloween is a prime example of extreme politics at the moment. :hehe:

Yeah, Right Wing terrorism is literally a thing and the biggest terrorist threat we're facing at the moment but someone waving around a fake head is the true symbol of extremism.

Tired of the false equivalency that's running rampant at the moment. The stunt was dumb and misguided and Antifa are a bunch of thugs but let's not make out that they are just as extreme as the far right who have killled people for their beliefs.

[bots]

it's inappropriate because mp's on every side have never been in more danger than they are now. We all love to hate our favourite political targets, but that doesn't usually stretch to the extremes we find ourselves in at the moment.

I genuinely feel for all our mp's and people need to dial it down a bit to keep everyone safe

[Toy Soldier]

it's inappropriate because mp's on every side have never been in more danger than they are now. We all love to hate our favourite political targets, but that doesn't usually stretch to the extremes we find ourselves in at the moment.

I genuinely feel for all our mp's and people need to dial it down a bit to keep everyone safe

Papier Mache has indeed been identified as one of the main triggers for political decapitations. You can't argue with the stats, I suppose.

[Kizzy]

If you want to reduce your argument to base depictions of severed heads in a juvenile rabble rousing stylee then he has an audience... for me, it's not reasoned rational debate, so for that reason..I'm out.

[Withano]

For Two Sugars

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Last Night Mercury Awards
London
SlowThai bugger

1174956439124660227
the 21 year old winner
on the left with his Mum
all dedicated to His brother In jail
he stabbed a another to death.

I like his t shirt

[Twosugars]

My argument is that as opponents of hard right and far right we should not go to extremes, be it for a laugh or being serious. It demeans us.
It's them who murder politicians, not us. We shouldn't even pretend we would, like with this decapitation.

[arista]

I like his t shirt


You can Buy it.

[Alf]

Papier Mache has indeed been identified as one of the main triggers for political decapitations. You can't argue with the stats, I suppose.What's his message though? His point. It looks to me like his message is, we need to behead people.

If Ed Sheeren went to an award ceremony and pulled out a severed head of Diane Abbott. I'd think he's gone bit loopy, and should probably seek some help. And to be honest, for the safety of others, I'd expect the Police to investigate him, to find out what he meant by it.

[Twosugars]

What's his message though? His point. It looks to me like is message is, we need to behead people.

If Ed Sheeren went to an award ceremony and pulled out a severed head of Diane Abbott. I'd think he's gone bit loopy, and should probably seek some help. And to be honest, for the safety of others, I'd expect the Police to investigate him, to find out what he meant by it.

In the European context it reminds of the French revolution when the representatives of the republic guillotined "enemies of the people". Ott at the time and even more so now.

[Alf]

In the European context it reminds of the French revolution when the representatives of the republic guillotined "enemies of the people". Ott at the time and even more so now.But Boris is on the side of the side of the people, he's trying to implement what the people voted for. The enemies are the ones trying to deny the people what they voted for.

[Twosugars]

But Boris is on the side of the side of the people, he's trying to implement what the people voted for. The enemies are the ones trying to deny the people what they voted for.

Absolutely not.

The slim majority voted based on lies to leave with a deal.
Bojo is doing **** all to implement that, instead he's trying to leave without a deal.

[Toy Soldier]

What's his message though? His point. It looks to me like is message his, we need to behead people.

Bit over simplistic really? Would you not assume it's more likely to be a metaphor?

But then again, I know over-simplified dumb-dumb politics is the flavour we're all used to now so I guess we have to take it literally.

[Twosugars]

Labour should consider voting for a Boris Johnson Brexit deal in exchange for the promise of a referendum, the shadow foreign secretary, Emily Thornberry, has told the Guardian.

[Kizzy]

Labour should consider voting for a Boris Johnson Brexit deal in exchange for the promise of a referendum, the shadow foreign secretary, Emily Thornberry, has told the Guardian.

Waste of paper and breath neither Johnson or Corbyn would entertain that stupid idea. Wherrs her head at? :/

[lime]

I never said I wanted to be English, I said its a cardinal sin in some eyes if you say you like the English

Sorry Cherie...but you did say you wanted to be English."I quite like the English and am battered for wanting to be English"

Never mentioned any cardinal sin.

I don't think it is soley a matter that we consider ourselfes Irish.We just are.Ireland is my country..my childrens home..There is no where else I would rather live.

Tis an awfull mess..Would love to see a deal but sadly it seems to be slipping away

[lime]

That's disgusting and very offensive to those people who have suffered someone who has been beheaded,if it had been anyone else people would have been in an uproar, stupid stunt,not funny and not clever ,bloody moron.

Just sickening behaviour..not funny at all:fist::fist:

But you never answered my question of why you think the Irish "are as corroupt as they come"?

If you misunderstood ...I am not claiming you signalled out us Irish as corrupt..But we Irish are the EU..by no means are we the big players but the EU will never sell one of their own out otherwise the EU is finished..

I know the Telegraph ..Express DM will tell you different.It's simply not true

[Kizzy]

Well there you have it...That's why the Irish dislike the English, because we would sell someone out as soon as look at them even our own.

[Cherie]

Sorry Cherie...but you did say you wanted to be English."I quite like the English and am battered for wanting to be English"

Never mentioned any cardinal sin.

I don't think it is soley a matter that we consider ourselfes Irish.We just are.Ireland is my country..my childrens home..There is no where else I would rather live.

Tis an awfull mess..Would love to see a deal but sadly it seems to be slipping away

Pretty sure I said for ‘liking The English, or ‘liking living in England’ if that is not what I said it was a typo , if I wanted to be English I would apply for citizenship, and I was offered the opportunity to apply for settled status which as an Irish citizen I don’t need to do so I declined :laugh: so just to be clear I would never want to give up my Irish citizenship but am very settled in England


Don’t give up on a deal yet Lime

[Kazanne]

Just sickening behaviour..not funny at all:fist::fist:

But you never answered my question of why you think the Irish "are as corroupt as they come"?

If you misunderstood ...I am not claiming you signalled out us Irish as corrupt..But we Irish are the EU..by no means are we the big players but the EU will never sell one of their own out otherwise the EU is finished..

I know the Telegraph ..Express DM will tell you different.It's simply not true

Sorry lime I would have answered you earlier, as far as I know Ireland is part of the UK, not the EU but now you point it out, I see what you mean,but hopefully Ireland,England,Wales and Scotland can stay United, no way was I wanting to push Ireland out, I am half Irish myself and have lots of relatives there, so imo you are part of us.:wavey:

[AnnieK]

Sorry lime I would have answered you earlier, as far as I know Ireland is part of the UK, not the EU but now you point it out, I see what you mean,but hopefully Ireland,England,Wales and Scotland can stay United, no way was I wanting to push Ireland out, I am half Irish myself and have lots of relatives there, so imo you are part of us.:wavey:

I think Lime is in Republic of Ireland, not Northern Kaz, so they are not part of the UK and so a member of the EU in their own right.

[Kazanne]

I think Lime is in Republic of Ireland, not Northern Kaz, so they are not part of the UK and so a member of the EU in their own right.

Oh right Annie,thanks for telling me, I didn't realize.:wavey: I learn something new everyday Annie x

[lime]

Pretty sure I said for ‘liking The English, or ‘liking living in England’ if that is not what I said it was a typo , if I wanted to be English I would apply for citizenship, and I was offered the opportunity to apply for settled status which as an Irish citizen I don’t need to do so I declined :laugh: so just to be clear I would never want to give up my Irish citizenship but am very settled in England


Don’t give up on a deal yet Lime
:love:

[lime]

I think Lime is in Republic of Ireland, not Northern Kaz, so they are not part of the UK and so a member of the EU in their own right.

:love:

[Twosugars]

Oh right Annie,thanks for telling me, I didn't realize.:wavey: I learn something new everyday Annie x

You are joking right? Surely you knew Ireland is not part of the UK.?

[Niamh.]

Sorry lime I would have answered you earlier, as far as I know Ireland is part of the UK, not the EU but now you point it out, I see what you mean,but hopefully Ireland,England,Wales and Scotland can stay United, no way was I wanting to push Ireland out, I am half Irish myself and have lots of relatives there, so imo you are part of us.:wavey:Are you for ****ing real?

[Toy Soldier]

Sorry lime I would have answered you earlier, as far as I know Ireland is part of the UK, not the EU but now you point it out, I see what you mean,but hopefully Ireland,England,Wales and Scotland can stay United, no way was I wanting to push Ireland out, I am half Irish myself and have lots of relatives there, so imo you are part of us.:wavey:I'm sorry Kaz but I have to say, this isn't a minor misunderstanding or "Wups", this is a gap in knowledge that means you can't possibly have ANY idea what the major issues with Brexit are or why it's so hard to secure a deal. If you didn't realise that the Republic of Ireland isn't part of the UK then you literally can't have a valid opinion on Brexit. That might sound extreme but... It is what it is. It's like having an opinion on dogs, but then it turns out you thought a dog was a type of fish.

[Kazanne]

I'm sorry Kaz but I have to say, this isn't a minor misunderstanding or "Wups", this is a gap in knowledge that means you can't possibly have ANY idea what the major issues with Brexit are or why it's so hard to secure a deal. If you didn't realise that the Republic of Ireland isn't part of the UK then you literally can't have a valid opinion on Brexit. That might sound extreme but... It is what it is. It's like having an opinion on dogs, but then it turns out you thought a dog was a type of fish.

That's fine I wont bother commenting on it anymore, no need for some peoples attitudes on here tbh.:wavey:

[Niamh.]

That's fine I wont bother commenting on it anymore, no need for some peoples attitudes on here tbh.:wavey:Yeah no need at all, just an innocent misunderstanding like thinking England is part if France [emoji849]

[Toy Soldier]

There does seem to be a lot of confusion with this. Especially with people using the terms "Great Britain" and "The UK" interchangeably. Great Britain is a geographical term for the larger island of the British Isles. It does NOT include Northern Ireland. Which actually makes "Brexit" a misnomer.

Republic of Ireland IS part of "The British Isles" but that is a geographical term and has nothing to do with politics. It is not part of the UK.

Northern Ireland is part of The UK, but not part of Great Britain, which should be evident from the full name: "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".

[Twosugars]

Theres nothing wrong with our attitudes on this Kazanne.

TS is perfectly right. You cannot understand the backstop issue or rather you misunderstood it dreadfully
But I'm shocked, actually speechless.

[Toy Soldier]

Yeah no need at all, just an innocent misunderstanding like thinking England is part if France [emoji849]Don't worry Niamh, I have been asked multiple times (usually by people from the US) "What part of England is Scotland in?"

:fist:

Then again I did nearly type "from America" there and I suppose its quite offensive to people from Canada and South America that the world tends to use the word "Americans" to talk about people from The US, when America is the entire continent.

[Niamh.]

There does seem to be a lot of confusion with this. Especially with people using the terms "Great Britain" and "The UK" interchangeably. Great Britain is a geographical term for the larger island of the British Isles. It does NOT include Northern Ireland. Which actually makes "Brexit" a misnomer.

Republic of Ireland IS part of "The British Isles" but that is a geographical term and has nothing to do with politics. It is not part of the UK.

Northern Ireland is part of The UK, but not part of Great Britain, which should be evident from the full name: "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".British Isles need to be renamed anyway, the Irish didn't name them and its factually incorrect

[Nicky91]

That's fine I wont bother commenting on it anymore, no need for some peoples attitudes on here tbh.:wavey:

everyone makes mistakes i guess

[Twosugars]

There does seem to be a lot of confusion with this. Especially with people using the terms "Great Britain" and "The UK" interchangeably. Great Britain is a geographical term for the larger island of the British Isles. It does NOT include Northern Ireland. Which actually makes "Brexit" a misnomer.

Republic of Ireland IS part of "The British Isles" but that is a geographical term and has nothing to do with politics. It is not part of the UK.

Northern Ireland is part of The UK, but not part of Great Britain, which should be evident from the full name: "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".

But surely schools in this country must explain that pretty early:conf:
And then every day life, the media :conf:
I know in this country teaching history becomes optional far too early but still :facepalm:
We are not talking of some distant shores ffs

[Niamh.]

Don't worry Niamh, I have been asked multiple times (usually by people from the US) "What part of England is Scotland in?"

:fist:

Then again I did nearly type "from America" there and I suppose its quite offensive to people from Canada and South America that the world tends to use the word "Americans" to talk about people from The US, when America is the entire continent.I know, I just wouldn't have expected it from someone who is actually from England, i mean do ye not learn your own Geography atleast in school? Clearly you only have a cherry picked version of your history in Britain

[Twosugars]

General education in this country has a lot to answer for.
When you see those people on big brother asking the most inane questions I thought they were joking or playing dumb

I'm not kidding you, one day on pointless there was a student of english literature who never heard of Dickens
We are doomed as civilisation if such ignorance is allowed

[Nicky91]

But surely schools in this country must explain that pretty early:conf:
And then every day life, the media :conf:
I know in this country teaching history becomes optional far too early but still :facepalm:
We are not talking of some distant shores ffs

geography was my personal fave subject at school :love:

i Always recognize england, scotland, northern ireland, wales as separate countries, and i Always thought a sort of deal made them the United Kingdom

i also recognize Faroe Islands as a country even though they got those ties to denmark, but they are apart from financial support, quite independent people, also with own faroese music, faroese language (a strong bit different dialect to danish)

[Cherie]

Tbf to Kazanne, I recall Smithy doing much the same thing, there does seem to be a genuine lack of understanding about the Irish situation, I have had people ask me before the is it safe to travel to the Republic because of the bombs :skull: I don't believe Irish history makes it onto the curriculum here, but it should