Boris has asked the Queen to suspend Parliment, The Queen has now approved

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[lime]

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Bolloxigy at it's finest.This language is very unhelpfull.I don't feel we in the EU are at war against the Uk..War rooms..no surrender and surrender bill.I have this vision of ERG and Boris sitting in the basement of 10 Downing St..ERG are reading WW2 comics and Boris is playing jenga against himself any every now and again ERG give Boris the nod and tell him it was a good move

[arista]

"I don't feel we in the EU are at war against the UK."

Of Course not ,Lime
they are just defending the rights of the 26 EU nations

[Twosugars]

Surrender, die in a ditch etc - juvenile language of loony hardliners

[arista]

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[Tom4784]

Just imagine the tears and tantrums from the Leave side if Remain stated they were willing to break the law in order to get what they want. I don't think they'd be saying 'go, get 'em' if the tables were reversed.

Just goes to show how hypocritical it all is, Brexiters want what they want and they'll be utterly hypocritical about it. They consider calls to remain undemographic but they cheer on their side dismantling the pillars of democracy as long as it benefits them.

[Tom4784]

Surrender, die in a ditch etc - juvenile language of loony hardliners

Pretty much, it's dangerous language as well. We've seen in recent US shootings what happens when their administration condones the use of extreme language to describe immigrants. Making out that Brexit is a war will only result in the right wing lunatics treating it as such.

At this rate there will sadly be another Jo Cox and more Thomas Mairs.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

Cameron Called the Referendum
to stop Farage taking another 2 MP's from his party
at that time in 2016
2 Conservatives MP's
joined UKIP.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Ammi]

...if only so much effort and devotion had been and was put into actually making a country great again as has been put into their self serving games atm...Never was so much owed to so many people by so many to so few egos...

[bots]

My understanding is that they are going to put the letter required by parliament to the EU requesting an extension together with another letter making it clear that they do not want an extension.

It's disgusting

[Cherie]

My understanding is that they are going to put the letter required by parliament to the EU requesting an extension together with another letter making it clear that they do not want an extension.

It's disgusting

farce!

[Ammi]

My understanding is that they are going to put the letter required by parliament to the EU requesting an extension together with another letter making it clear that they do not want an extension.

It's disgusting

...it is completely disgusting, the games that are being played with so many lives...such disregard from the leader of a government that is meant to represent ....there was a time when Westminster../...the government of the U.K., was held in high regard by other countries...something to aspire to, even..?...there was a time...there was a time...

[arista]

Johnson PM is in Ireland now
with Leo Varadkar
they are live soon.

[arista]

Live Now
Dublin

[Ammi]

...every one of Leo’s words filled with so much heart and meaning..:lovedup:..in contrast to the shallowness of any words Boris has spoken ...

[Ammi]

..there is nothing more important than not compromising the peace that generations of people in Northern Ireland are entitled to now and in the future...what has been striven so hard to achieve...

[arista]

Johnson PM
confirmed he will he will get deal by Oct 18th.

[joeysteele]

My understanding is that they are going to put the letter required by parliament to the EU requesting an extension together with another letter making it clear that they do not want an extension.

It's disgusting

Which is why this PM cannot be trusted.

Disgusting is an appropriate word.

I am left dismayed and desperately sad for the UK.
I think there's now more at stake for the UK, not just on the economic front from brexit, however also for the future of the UK as it stands now.

You have said many times a vote to revoke article 50 should be a way tried now.

It should.

It's simple enough, however this PM has it seems a mental block which has us hurtling to the most extreme outcome.

The UK as to all its citizens Parliament and voters do have a divisions on brexit.

It is a swinging between a narrow support to remain, and a narrow support to leave.

The only thing for me, as a remain still supporter.
Is the margin never gave a green light to the hardest and most extreme brexit..
Just as the 2017 election didn't either.

With not a single MP elected who stood on a Party platform of NO DEAL.

From Cameron holding this divisive and misleading on both sides, to Mrs May and her uncompromising stance all through since to now this near madman, with his most extreme apparent determination to just end the process with the hardest outcome.
Regardless of ALL consequences.
This is dire straits the UK is in now.

Desperately sad and very worrying.

[Alf]

I keep hearing that "No deal wasn't on the ballot paper," and that's the excuse remainers use. Well "a deal" wasn't on the ballot paper either. They never mention that while they're screaming out their excuses.

[Ammi]

...whether it be a ‘remoaner’ or a Brexiter, surely everyone should be ‘screaming’ against something which compromises the Good Friday Agreement and leads to potential bloodshed in the streets...surely that’s a fear and dread that everyone should have...this is not a game to be played out, these are people’s lives and the fear for people’s lives should be screamed about...Brexiting with a deal was never going to give the same dreaded potentials, so why would it be screamed about in the same way...

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

I keep hearing that "No deal wasn't on the ballot paper," and that's the excuse remainers use. Well "a deal" wasn't on the ballot paper either. They never mention that while they're screaming out their excuses.

Come on Alf, you're not a stupid guy; a deal was was not only campaigned for by leavers, but no deal was explicitly dismissed as project fear. You lived through this too. All of the brexit leaders were talking of a norway but better deal, about the eu would come to us for a deal etc.

When folks keep peddling this same bs rather than acknowledge they were lied to, then it's just crazy.

On top of that, May called a GE to get a majority so she could force through a hard brexit, 54% (a higher percentage than the ref) voted for parties that explicitly ruled out a no deal.

When you get an hour over the next few days, do me a favour and go on yt and lookup some of the brexit promises in that campaign.

You've also, and without intending to do so, explained full well why we need a final referendum with the deal/no deal vs revoke.

[Denver]

Parliament will be closed by the end of business today

[arista]

Parliament will be closed by the end of business today


Yes Last day of Parliament
today.

Then its the Political Party Conferences


Back on Monday October 14th

[Alf]

Come on Alf, you're not a stupid guy; a deal was was not only campaigned for by leavers, but no deal was explicitly dismissed as project fear. You lived through this too. All of the brexit leaders were talking of a norway but better deal, about the eu would come to us for a deal etc.

When folks keep peddling this same bs rather than acknowledge they were lied to, then it's just crazy.

On top of that, May called a GE to get a majority so she could force through a hard brexit, 54% (a higher percentage than the ref) voted for parties that explicitly ruled out a no deal.

When you get an hour over the next few days, do me a favour and go on yt and lookup some of the brexit promises in that campaign.

You've also, and without intending to do so, explained full well why we need a final referendum with the deal/no deal vs revoke.We had a sort of second referendum with the 2017 General Election, where the Tories put "no deal is better than a bad deal" in their manifesto. The Tories came out on top.

Lying to win votes is what happens, and will always happen. What matters is how the people vote.

[Twosugars]

We had a sort of second referendum with the 2017 General Election, where the Tories put "no deal is better than a bad deal" in their manifesto. The Tories came out on top.

Lying to win votes is what happens, and will always happen. What matters is how the people vote.
Fake news
They didn't win if you count the votes of all opposition parties calling for a soft brexit or no brexit at all
More people voted for those than no deal

[arista]

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The Flying birds pick up the mood.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-johnson-meets-irish-pm-ahead-of-second-push-for-snap-general-election-11805412

[Twosugars]

Fake news.

Big Ben is surrounded by scaffolding

[arista]

Fake news.

Big Ben is surrounded by scaffolding


Of Course Old Photo
better days

[The Slim Reaper]

We had a sort of second referendum with the 2017 General Election, where the Tories put "no deal is better than a bad deal" in their manifesto. The Tories came out on top.

Lying to win votes is what happens, and will always happen. What matters is how the people vote.

I already said that 54% of voters, voted for parties that explicitly ruled out a no deal.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Twosugars]

Brilliant clip, thanks TSR

[arista]

Brilliant clip, thanks TSR



Typical Clip avoids our PM talking.

[Vicky.]

'Leavers voted for no deal!!!' is just lies. ALL of the leavers I know, voted assuming we were in a position of strength and would get any deal we like from the EU..basically. That it was all going to be easy. Which clearly, it hasn't been. But no, they did not vote to crash out and **** the country. Maybe the ones who believed we could keep all immigrants out, and kick out any remaining brown people did vote that way though..given they are clearly a bit thick and care about nothing but their racism.

The amount of leavers who said to me that we would be able to get a trade deal, whilst also closing our borders completely was ridiculous. There was never a reason for that to be agreed. As if the Eu would just let us keep the good bits, and get rid of the bad, why the **** would they do that?! But they had been convinced that that would be happening..for some odd reason :shrug:

[Twosugars]

'Leavers voted for no deal!!!' is just lies. ALL of the leavers I know, voted assuming we were in a position of strength and would get any deal we like from the EU..basically. That it was all going to be easy. Which clearly, it hasn't been. But no, they did not vote to crash out and **** the country. Maybe the ones who believed we could keep all immigrants out, and kick out any remaining brown people did vote that way though..given they are clearly a bit thick and care about nothing but their racism.

The amount of leavers who said to me that we would be able to get a trade deal, whilst also closing our borders completely was ridiculous. There was never a reason for that to be agreed. As if the Eu would just let us keep the good bits, and get rid of the bad, why the **** would they do that?! But they had been convinced that that would be happening..for some odd reason :shrug:

:clap1:

Vicky for mod! Oh wait....

[arista]

Johnson PM
wants a Election
as Corbyn is Remain now.
So its Clear, of course tonight no other party will back
any vote the PM does.

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[Tom4784]

Anyone who has ever called a remainer 'undemocratic' or has bemoaned their views or made them out to be morally wrong in any way are a complete and utter hypocrite if they support Boris pulling this **** and flouting the law just to get what he wants.

It's a complete ****ery of democracy what he has done and what he is planning to do, regardless of what side you are on.

[Tom4784]

We had a sort of second referendum with the 2017 General Election, where the Tories put "no deal is better than a bad deal" in their manifesto. The Tories came out on top.

Lying to win votes is what happens, and will always happen. What matters is how the people vote.

A perfect embodiment of what is wrong with politics right here, you know you're being lied to and you're ignoring the consequences and supporting such a ****show because, ultimately, all that matters is the feeling that you've 'won' no matter the cost.

[arista]

Anyone who has ever called a remainer 'undemocratic' or has bemoaned their views or made them out to be morally wrong in any way are a complete and utter hypocrite if they support Boris pulling this **** and flouting the law just to get what he wants.

It's a complete ****ery of democracy what he has done and what he is planning to do, regardless of what side you are on.


Again Dezzy its only 5 days extra
as all Political Parties spend 4 weeks
doing the Conferences.
Why has Labour Not Cancelled ?

[arista]

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[Niamh.]

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haha I do like his Athena reference, well played Leo :laugh:

[Tom4784]

Again Dezzy its only 5 days extra
as all Political Parties spend 4 weeks
doing the Conferences.
Why has Labour Not Cancelled ?

I'm not talking about that and if I was, your whataboutism wouldn't have distracted from it.

Parliament has democratically agreed to a law that Boris fully intends to flout, if the situation had been reversed, Brexiters would be screeching like banshees with a migraine about it.

[arista]

I'm not talking about that and if I was, your whataboutism wouldn't have distracted from it.

Parliament has democratically agreed to a law that Boris fully intends to flout, if the situation had been reversed, Brexiters would be screeching like banshees with a migraine about it.



We have to wait and see.
He has until Oct 19th
to confirm a Deal.

[joeysteele]

Again Dezzy its only 5 days extra
as all Political Parties spend 4 weeks
doing the Conferences.
Why has Labour Not Cancelled ?

It isn't just 5 days extra.
They are closing Parliament down for weeks.

During the conference season parliament goes into recess but is not suspended and closed down.

Proroguing is closing it down totally.
Not just recess.

There's a big difference.

[Ammi]

It isn't just 5 days extra.
They are closing Parliament down for weeks.

During the conference season parliament goes into recess but is not suspended and closed down.

Proroguing is closing it down totally.
Not just recess.

There's a big difference.

...the mark of when democracy became dead in that infamous ditch, Joey..?...

[arista]

It isn't just 5 days extra.
They are closing Parliament down for weeks.

During the conference season parliament goes into recess but is not suspended and closed down.

Proroguing is closing it down totally.
Not just recess.

There's a big difference.

Valid Point Joey
A Stand Corrected by You.

[joeysteele]

Valid Point Joey
A Stand Corrected by You.

Many thanks arista, I appreciate that.

You rarely get things not wholly right yourself anyway.
You know your stuff too, especially on politics as I've found from you in all my years debating with you on here.

Thank you again.

[joeysteele]

...the mark of when democracy became dead in that infamous ditch, Joey..?...

Yes Ammi.
Sadly for UK democracy,very much so.

[arista]

Greeve MP Former Conservative
now has 2 Hours to debate the 5 week Closed Parliament

[arista]

Corbyn also has a debate
for 90mins
Right after.

On The Rule Of Law

[Twosugars]

This 6 month extension has been wasted by cons on their own, nothing has been done on the deal

Btw, its astonishing they all have time for summer holiday, internal elections and conferences

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

To me the Tories have always been the dark side so that is very apt!

[arista]

Vote Greeve
to release Yellowhammer & private messages

311 yes
302 no

[arista]

MPs support Corbyn's motion without a vote


Rule Of Law.

[Kizzy]

No wonder Boris is shutting parliament he couldn't win a vote on anything now ... just give it up bojo

[Alf]

I already said that 54% of voters, voted for parties that explicitly ruled out a no deal.But elections don't work like that in this country.

If we all kept changing the rules of the outcome to suit us every time we lose, then we wouldn't lose.

Brits used to know how to lose gracefully, now we live in a country of people who are spoilt brats, that want it their way every single time, and if they do lose, they stamp their feet, throw their toys and spit their dummy out.

[Alf]

Fake news
They didn't win if you count the votes of all opposition parties calling for a soft brexit or no brexit at all
More people voted for those than no dealIf you count the votes of all opposition parties.

We don't. If we did, then all opposition would be in Government.

[Twosugars]

If you count the votes of all opposition parties.

We don't. If we did, then all opposition would be in Government.

But we do IF we want to treat the last election as a referendum on a deal. As you have done.

[Alf]

But we do IF we want to treat the last election as a referendum on a deal. As you have done.That 54% can't have been to bothered. because they were more than happy to split the vote of the others, to give the No deal option victory.

[arista]

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[Vicky.]

Brits used to know how to lose gracefully, now we live in a country of people who are spoilt brats, that want it their way every single time, and if they do lose, they stamp their feet, throw their toys and spit their dummy out.

Yes, I mean, its not like the leavers were already publically planning another vote..when they thought they would lose :laugh: Definitely just remainers who think to go ahead for something so big, on such a tiny minority is quite ridiculous, especially when so many had no clue wha they were voting for as the lies were even worse than usual. But yeah, main headlining leaver was saying hours before leave won, that until it was 33/66 or whatever, the result should not be used at all, as 52/48 is way too close to actually count. Oddly enough, this did not bother him, nor his supporters when the result came, and instead they jumped straight onto calling people remoaners or whatever, when they said the exact same thing he had said before he knew the result.. :laugh:

Meanwhile, we seem to have a bunch of people who do not give a **** what happens to the country aslong as we get 'nodeal', which we apparently voted for, despite the leave campaign regularly going on about how we could make trade deals easily and such, and 'no deal brexit' was dismissed as project fear, it would never happen, apparently. Hmm.

[Kizzy]

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That is brilliant! And so apt!! :joker::joker:

[Twosugars]

That 54% can't have been to bothered. because they were more than happy to split the vote of the others, to give the No deal option victory.

Fake news
They didn't win if you count the votes of all opposition parties calling for a soft brexit or no brexit at all
More people voted for those than no deal

.

[Alf]

Yes, I mean, its not like the leavers were already publically planning another vote..when they thought they would lose :laugh: Definitely just remainers who think to go ahead for something so big, on such a tiny minority is quite ridiculous, especially when so many had no clue wha they were voting for as the lies were even worse than usual. But yeah, main headlining leaver was saying hours before leave won, that until it was 33/66 or whatever, the result should not be used at all, as 52/48 is way too close to actually count. Oddly enough, this did not bother him, nor his supporters when the result came, and instead they jumped straight onto calling people remoaners or whatever, when they said the exact same thing he had said before he knew the result.. :laugh:

Meanwhile, we seem to have a bunch of people who do not give a **** what happens to the country aslong as we get 'nodeal', which we apparently voted for, despite the leave campaign regularly going on about how we could make trade deals easily and such, and 'no deal brexit' was dismissed as project fear, it would never happen, apparently. Hmm."People had know Idea what they were voting for"

What a snobbish statement,. You continue looking down on people, and telling them what they did and didn't do. That's why you're losing.

[Twosugars]

"People had know Idea what they were voting for"

What a snobbish statement,. You continue looking down on people, and telling them what they did and didn't do. That's why you're losing.

People were lied to so yes they didnt know what they were voting for :laugh:

Nothing to do with snobism

[Alf]

People were lied to so yes they didnt know what they were voting for :laugh:

Nothing to do with snobismWhat if you took no notice of the lies? and was gonna vote leave no matter what was said?

Just because you accept everything the television tells you, doesn't mean everyone else does.

[Vicky.]

"People had know Idea what they were voting for"

What a snobbish statement,. You continue looking down on people, and telling them what they did and didn't do. That's why you're losing.

People did have absolutely no idea what they were voting for. If you look on the old brexit poll thread, I didn't either. Until after the vote. The campaign was just so full of ****ing lies. Of course, as always 'not ALL' people..but of course, that should go without saying. I would estimate the majority though..hell some people still don't understand it all now..

Also its not telling people what they did and didn't do, when they openly admit they thought a deal would happen. And they thought a deal would happen, given the leave side bleated on constantly about how a deal wouldn't only happen, it would be easy, and it would be possible to strip away all the bad bits about being part of the EU, while retaining the good.

[arista]

Corbyn has rejected the PM's Election of the 15th
Live now.

[arista]

Now the SNP wants a General Election, but Not on the PM's terms
Live on News Channels

[arista]

[23:22
Parliament 'not a platform for the PM's games'
Corbyn quips: "I realise the desperation of the Tory party when all they can do is rearrange the mikes on the Titanic."
He adds parliament is "not a platform for the prime minister's games".
The Commons are getting heated as several MPs seek to intervene on Corbyn, but he refuses to take their interventions.
Corbyn ends his speech by telling MPs: "We are not walking into traps laid by this prime minister."]

[arista]

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[arista]

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[joeysteele]

I really think a general election would only still leave a hung Parliament.

At this time it likely wouldn't resolve the problems.

I think the DUP could lose at least one seat in Northern Ireland too.

[bots]

Boris has lost every single vote so far, that must be a record

[Twosugars]

Boris has lost every single vote so far, that must be a record

Apparently it is. Lost 6 votes in 6 days.

[arista]

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Yes around the speaker
on the Labour side this was a fight
Now the Speaker and the Conservatives
have marched into the House of Lords.



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[Cherie]

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Yes around the speaker
on the Labour side this was a fight
Now the Speaker and the Conservatives
have marched into the House of Lords.



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It’s all a joke to a lot of them isn’t it

[Cherie]

Boris has lost every single vote so far, that must be a record

Not the most illustrious of starts :laugh:

[Kazanne]

But elections don't work like that in this country.

If we all kept changing the rules of the outcome to suit us every time we lose, then we wouldn't lose.

Brits used to know how to lose gracefully, now we live in a country of people who are spoilt brats, that want it their way every single time, and if they do lose, they stamp their feet, throw their toys and spit their dummy out.

I cant disagree with this, we have changed so much .

[Kazanne]

Emily Thornberry getting in a right old pickle on GMTV,LOL Piers and Susanna running rings around her

[bots]

But elections don't work like that in this country.

If we all kept changing the rules of the outcome to suit us every time we lose, then we wouldn't lose.

Brits used to know how to lose gracefully, now we live in a country of people who are spoilt brats, that want it their way every single time, and if they do lose, they stamp their feet, throw their toys and spit their dummy out.

Are you referring to Boris here? The HoC is a democracy, it's not for Boris to dictate anything if he doesn't have the backing of parliament. If he wanted to be more successful, he should have gone with the consensus view in parliament and not threaten and throw his weight around when he has no power

[joeysteele]

If all this now really forces power mad Johnson to actually seriously go for a good agreement now with the EU.
Which parliament has put in place that will be the only way he won't need to ask for a delay.
Then all the fuss will be worth it.

If he doesn't, then he does risk not just breaking the law but getting into really big bother personally.

He should reflect, he needed 434 MPs to support a general election.
He got only 293 votes.
Even with his own MPs, inc the ones he kicked out, yes HE kicked out, no one else.
Plus the DUP.
He should have sailed past the 310 mark at least.

So no one wanted an election except the hard-line supporters he has and those just about staying with him for now.

293 is nowhere near a normal parliamentary majority, never mind the 434 needed.

I wonder, since HE claims to want to hear from voters..
He doesn't however as he knew fine well after his disregard for democracy and dictatorial stance,no way could he get an election, under his own Party's fixed term Parliament act.
I wonder though, what result he'd have got had he offered an election or confirmatory referendum on ' no deal' or remain.

As for Labour's policy, which however needs to be debated and endorsed at the Party conference.

If Labour had a new agreement with the EU.
Labour would still put that new deal for confirmatory support from voters, alongside remain choice.
In that scenario, Labour would explain the deal but be happy with either outcome.

It is only in a no deal or remain referendum, that then Labour would support remain.

Perfectly sensible and easy to understand to me anyway.

After all the mess of this and the last PMs own making.
Labours plan is the voters must approve a deal,no deal or remain.
A deal still desirably approved by voters no matter who negotiates the deal.

All seems the better and more democratic way to go in my view anyway.

[The Slim Reaper]

What if you took no notice of the lies? and was gonna vote leave no matter what was said?

Just because you accept everything the television tells you, doesn't mean everyone else does.

So what you're admitting to here, is voting for a campaign that you knew were lying and acting illegally, and you rewarded them without any knowledge of the implications, and this is supposed to impress us as evidence of your independent thinking, when in reality it just highlights how little people knew about what they were voting for.

[joeysteele]

So what you're admitting to here, is voting for a campaign that you knew were lying and acting illegally, and you rewarded them without any knowledge of the implications, and this is supposed to impress us as evidence of your independent thinking, when in reality it just highlights how little people knew about what they were voting for.

Full credit to you.
I was going to make the same point so well said.

Saved me a lot of typing as you said all more concisely than I would have.

[The Slim Reaper]

But elections don't work like that in this country.

If we all kept changing the rules of the outcome to suit us every time we lose, then we wouldn't lose.

Brits used to know how to lose gracefully, now we live in a country of people who are spoilt brats, that want it their way every single time, and if they do lose, they stamp their feet, throw their toys and spit their dummy out.

I know elections don't work like that, but I was using your example to prove how your premise was incorrect.

We did lose gracefully; the government had 3 years to sort a deal out, and they've been unable to for one good reason (I have no idea why this needs to be repeated so often), there is no deal out there that is equal or better than the one we have already, and as soon as the details of any deal are known, it spectacularly comes apart at the seams. That's why no-deal has now become their default wish, so they don't ave to explain what it means, and they can dump the blame back on the people if/when it goes tits up.

I've seen you mention sovereignty as a reason for leaving, but now that parliament is showing us they do actually have these powers already, then you're complaining that they're the wrong powers. You can't have it both ways; either we have a government that can't say boo without the EU overlords giving us permission, or we've always had this ability, but you believed we didn't because that's what the lies have told you.

And far from losing gracefully, we have half the country determined to inflict pain on the other half the country because "they won", it's craziness my friend, that doesn't reflect well on the anti-intellectual, anti-evidence campaign that appealed the darkest and most base instincts of a majority of the leave vote.

[Alf]

So what you're admitting to here, is voting for a campaign that you knew were lying and acting illegally, and you rewarded them without any knowledge of the implications, and this is supposed to impress us as evidence of your independent thinking, when in reality it just highlights how little people knew about what they were voting for.No, I didn't vote for any campaign. I voted to leave the EU because I wanted to. The implications was, we come out of the EU and go it alone.

And nice to see you end by showing what a snob you are, by looking down on people and thinking that you know better and you know for a fact that they didn't know what they voted for, because they're to stupid too, aren't they?

[Beso]

No, I didn't vote for any campaign. I voted to leave the EU because I wanted to. The implications was, we come out of the EU and go it alone.

And nice to see you end by showing what a snob you are, by looking down on people and thinking that you know better and you know for a fact that they didn't know what they voted for, because they're to stupid too, aren't they?



I must admit I was the same, I voted simply because I wanted out of the eu cause in time I believe we will be better off and happier..

The snobbery I have seen from the eu leaders towards the uk and its citizens as well, has just further cemented my convictions.

[Niamh.]

I must admit I was the same, I voted simply because I wanted out of the eu cause in time I believe we will be better off and happier..

The snobbery I have seen from the eu leaders towards the uk and its citizens as well, has just further cemented my convictions.

Snobbery in what way? What do you expect them to do? Give you all the same benefits from being in the Eu without actually having to be in the Eu or put anything in to it?

[bots]

One wouldn't build a bridge across the channel and then stop when the estimated completion date had past saying, no problem, we will just stop there, people can swim the rest of the way from now on. The same is true of the brexit agreement. Things do take longer than expected to complete all the time, particularly when something is complex. There is absolutely no reason to leave without a deal, when we will still have to have some form of deal at a later date anyway. We cannot exclude trade with europe, it would be the height of stupidity

[Alf]

What people voted for has got absolutely nothing to do with anybody else, they're free to vote how they wish.

It's not for you to tell other people that they didn't know what they voted for, it's none of your business how or what they voted for.

[The Slim Reaper]

No, I didn't vote for any campaign. I voted to leave the EU because I wanted to. The implications was, we come out of the EU and go it alone.

And nice to see you end by showing what a snob you are, by looking down on people and thinking that you know better and you know for a fact that they didn't know what they voted for, because they're to stupid too, aren't they?

Nail. On. Head. You left because you wanted to. You can't explain why, or maybe you can, you just know how the truth will be viewed?

It's not snobbery, it's evidence. Let's take this forum as a snapshot; I see the same lines trotted out day after day, and when the actual evidence is provided, then the other person goes quiet for a day, then comes back the following day with the same claims.

It's cult-like behaviour where people won't even admit they were conned and seduced by the lies, because that's viewed as a sign of weakness, when in reality, it takes intelligence and reasoning to even be open to changing your mind.

You're angry with the wrong people, Alf, the fact your side can't make a deal as good/better than we have is the only reason we haven't left yet, and that's what they promised. Yet you want to blame everyone apart from these liars and cheats. It's not snobbery to question whether people know what they were voting for when even you admit they were lying, and voted regardless, so how can you say that anyone voted leave because they knew what it entailed, when the campaign wasn't honest with them? I don't blame the voters, I blame the conmen and multimillionaires desperate to avoid EU tax regulations that fed into peoples insecurities.

[The Slim Reaper]

What people voted for has got absolutely nothing to do with anybody else, they're free to vote how they wish.

It's not for you to tell other people that they didn't know what they voted for, it's none of your business how or what they voted for.

Except it does. Leave win the referendum, so let's say that even 5% of them voted because they were promised night after night on these news shows that brexit would make them better off because we'd hold all the cards in future deals, or that germany would come begging.

Just like anyone voting tory over the last decade have heaped austerity on the most at risk and vulnerable, so it absolutely affects people, what/why others voted the way they did.

[The Slim Reaper]

Snobbery in what way? What do you expect them to do? Give you all the same benefits from being in the Eu without actually having to be in the Eu or put anything in to it?

Snobbery to brexit voters equals not buckling and giving us everything we want because empire and WW2.

[Alf]

Do you know all those votes that Boris lost in Parliament this week? Not of them should count, because none of those MPs knew what they was voting for, so that automatically means that those things can't be implemented. I decided that they didn't know what they was voting for and you have to agree with me.

[Niamh.]

Snobbery to brexit voters equals not buckling and giving us everything we want because empire and WW2.

I mean what would even be the point in the EU if everyone could just have the same benefits with none of the sacrifices?

[Toy Soldier]

No, I didn't vote for any campaign. I voted to leave the EU because I wanted to. The implications was, we come out of the EU and go it alone.

Go what alone? I genuinely don't understand what you mean. Do you know what you mean? :think:


One wouldn't build a bridge across the channel and then stop when the estimated completion date had past saying, no problem, we will just stop there, people can swim the rest of the way from now on. The same is true of the brexit agreement. Things do take longer than expected to complete all the time, particularly when something is complex. There is absolutely no reason to leave without a deal, when we will still have to have some form of deal at a later date anyway. We cannot exclude trade with europe, it would be the height of stupidity

True, I'm pretty sure that bloody high speed train was meant to be finished in back in something like 1992. By the time they finish it, every other country is going to have MagLevs already... Or teleporters or something...

[Alf]

Except it does. Leave win the referendum, so let's say that even 5% of them voted because they were promised night after night on these news shows that brexit would make them better off because we'd hold all the cards in future deals, or that germany would come begging.

Just like anyone voting tory over the last decade have heaped austerity on the most at risk and vulnerable, so it absolutely affects people, what/why others voted the way they did.They voted to leave because they don't like Communism.

[The Slim Reaper]

They voted to leave because they don't like Communism.

And you obviously don't even know what communism means if you think that.

You're not helping to disprove leavers were unaware of what they were voting for.

[Beso]

Snobbery in what way? What do you expect them to do? Give you all the same benefits from being in the Eu without actually having to be in the Eu or put anything in to it?

You should watch the documentary that was made by the eu lot of the behind the scenes drexit discussions...absolutely shocking the way they speak about the uk and its citizens.

[Alf]

Go what alone? I genuinely don't understand what you mean. Do you know what you mean? :think:




True, I'm pretty sure that bloody high speed train was meant to be finished in back in something like 1992. By the time they finish it, every other country is going to have MagLevs already... Or teleporters or something...Be your own Boss, as opposed to being 1 part of a 28 part monster.

[The Slim Reaper]

You should watch the documentary that was made by the eu lot of the behind the scenes drexit discussions...absolutely shocking the way they speak about the uk and its citizens.

Any worse than the way leavers talk about remainers, the eu, and the left?

[The Slim Reaper]

Be your own Boss, as opposed to being 1 part of a 28 part monster.

Being your own boss doesn't equal going to the EU from a position of weakness if we leave with a no deal, and I've already explained why we can't get a deal, so where does that leave your argument?

I know, why don't you leave it for the rest of the day, then come back tomorrow and make all the same claims all over again?

[Alf]

Any worse than the way leavers talk about remainers, the eu, and the left?The day after the referendum, you was all out, calling leave voters, racist's, bigots, Little Englanders. All we did was use our vote.

[Niamh.]

You should watch the documentary that was made by the eu lot of the behind the scenes drexit discussions...absolutely shocking the way they speak about the uk and its citizens.

hhhmmm what about how your Politicians behaved? That Priti patel, basically saying that you should have threatened Ireland with food shortages and used it as leverage to get rid of the back stop? You call EU leaders snobby but that kind of talk is disgusting considering what you did during the Irish "famine" and what about you Prime Minister making a comment about our Leo Varadkar "Why isn't he called Murphy like the rest of them?" If that's not a snobby, disrespectful comment I don't know what is

[Beso]

Any worse than the way leavers talk about remainers, the eu, and the left?

Ten times worse...these arsehole are world leaders to an extent...the normal man in the streets view will not be heard by them...so yes..to answer your question:fist:....it is worse.

[The Slim Reaper]

The day after the referendum, you was all out, calling leave voters, racist's, bigots, Little Englanders. All we did was use our vote.

Are we now pretending that bigotry didn't play a major part in the leave vote? Is that really where you want to take this discussion?

[Beso]

hhhmmm what about how your Politicians behaved? That Priti patel, basically saying that you should have threatened Ireland with food shortages and used it as leverage to get rid of the back stop? You call EU leaders snobby but that kind of talk is disgusting considering what you did during the Irish "famine" and what about you Prime Minister making a comment about our Leo Varadkar "Why isn't he called Murphy like the rest of them?" If that's not a snobby, disrespectful comment I don't know what is

What about it?

Boris comments are alleged and nothing more than hearsay or overheard codswallop...I can't judge one man's word...but I have seen and heaRd the eu leaders first hand..so I can judge them..


As for the famine...well....stop living in the ****ing past, that way of thinking has ruined your country for years..

[The Slim Reaper]

What about it?

Boris comments are alleged and nothing more than hearsay or overheard codswallop...I can't judge one man's word...but I have seen and heaRd the eu leaders first hand..so I can judge them..


As for the famine...well....stop living in the ****ing past, that way of thinking has ruined your country for years..

Says a brexiteer.

[Niamh.]

What about it?

Boris comments are alleged and nothing more than hearsay or overheard codswallop...I can't judge one man's word...but I have seen and heaRd the eu leaders first hand..so I can judge them..


As for the famine...well....stop living in the ****ing past, that way of thinking has ruined your country for years..

Stop living in the past???? After one of your politicians threatened to try and starve us as you did back then..bit hard don't you think?

It would be wonderful not to have to "live in the past" but you lot seem to determined to take us all right back there with the NI issue, don't you?

[Beso]

Says a brexiteer.

Looking to the future, surely:shrug:

[Beso]

Stop living in the past???? After one of your politicians threatened to try and starve us as you did back then..bit hard don't you think?

It would be wonderful not to have to "live in the past" but you lot seem to determined to take us all right back there with the NI issue, don't you?

Bit of a pathetic reason to start bombing innocents if you ask me, but that's the Irish for you.

[Alf]

Are we now pretending that bigotry didn't play a major part in the leave vote? Is that really where you want to take this discussion?No, I'm saying bigotry took place after the referendum.

What do you care anyway? You didn't even vote, you couldn't of done, because you didn't know what you was voting for and you wouldn't vote unless you knew, right?

[Niamh.]

Bit of a pathetic reason to start bombing innocents if you ask me, but that's the Irish for you.

mmhhmm typical Brexiteer right there, good job

[Beso]

mmhhmm typical Brexiteer right there, good job

Do you think it's an acceptable reason to go back to blowing innocent people up then?

[The Slim Reaper]

Looking to the future, surely:shrug:

Not really, post election polls shows that anxiety about immigration was a major part of the vote, and that's definitely reactionary.

[Niamh.]

Do you think it's an acceptable reason to go back to blowing innocent people up then?

Blowing up innocent people is never acceptable, neither is going back on agreements that stopped that from happening, wouldn't you agree?

[Beso]

Not really, post election polls shows that anxiety about immigration was a major part of the vote, and that's definitely reactionary.

Again, surely that's looking to the future..and how more immigration would effect the person in the future.:shrug:

[Beso]

Blowing up innocent people is never acceptable, neither is going back on agreements that stopped that from happening, wouldn't you agree?

So if blowing up innocent people is never acceptable then surely the typical Brexiteer comment should actually read...typical sane thinking human being.hmmmm

[Niamh.]

So if blowing up innocent people is never acceptable then surely the typical Brexiteer comment should actually read...typical sane thinking human being.hmmmm

Well no, because your comment was implying that all Irish people are terrorists, "Bit of a pathetic reason to start bombing innocents if you ask me, but that's the Irish for you." not "that's terrorists for you" not "that's the IRA for you" but that's "the Irish for you". Tell me again about how you're not a bigot?

[Beso]

Well no, because your comment was implying that all Irish people are terrorists, "Bit of a pathetic reason to start bombing innocents if you ask me, but that's the Irish for you." not "that's terrorists for you" not "that's the IRA for you" but that's "the Irish for you". Tell me again about how you're not a bigot?

Just like you saying "what you lot did regarding the famine...are you a bigot?

[Niamh.]

Just like you saying "what you lot did regarding the famine...are you a bigot?

By you lot I meant Britain as a country, what i said was factual,Britain as a country contributed to people in Ireland dying because of lack of food, there was no actual food shortage in Ireland when people starved to death here, Tony Blair even issued an apology about it a few years back. the comment about "starving" us now also came from a british Politician? Is it Bigoted to say British people are British? If so then maybe I am a bigot?

[Beso]

By you lot I meant Britain as a country, what i said was factual,Britain as a country contributed to people in Ireland dying because of lack of food, there was no actual food shortage in Ireland when people starved to death here, Tony Blair even issued an apology about it a few years back. the comment about "starving" us now also came from a british Politician? Is it Bigoted to say British people are British? If so then maybe I am a bigot?


Are the ira Irish then?...yes....That's the Irish for you...

Perhaps we are just both not very good with using the correct terminology that people don't have a pointless pathetic opinion on.

[Twosugars]

By you lot I meant Britain as a country, what i said was factual,Britain as a country contributed to people in Ireland dying because of lack of food, there was no actual food shortage in Ireland when people starved to death here, Tony Blair even issued an apology about it a few years back. the comment about "starving" us now also came from a british Politician? Is it Bigoted to say British people are British? If so then maybe I am a bigot?
You're right Niamh. There's a huge difference between government actions, a government who represent the whole country and actions of an independent organisation, terrorist or not.

[Niamh.]

You're right Niamh. There's a huge difference between government actions, a government who represent the whole country and actions of an independent organisation, terrorist or not.

Thank you. I think I'll it there now anyway

[Beso]

By you lot I meant Britain as a country, what i said was factual,Britain as a country contributed to people in Ireland dying because of lack of food, there was no actual food shortage in Ireland when people starved to death here, Tony Blair even issued an apology about it a few years back. the comment about "starving" us now also came from a british Politician? Is it Bigoted to say British people are British? If so then maybe I am a bigot?



You can't lay all the blame at the hands of the British when Ireland was exporting vast quantities of food during the famine..calf and pig exporting actually went up during the famine.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Niamh.]

You can't lay all the blame at the hands of the British when Ireland was exporting vast quantities of food during the famine..calf and pig exporting actually went up during the famine.

Absolutely correct the "Irish" exported it :laugh:

The best land was owned by wealthy English lords
First, for historical reasons, more than two million Irish labourers and their families were totally dependent on the potato to survive. This was much higher proportion than in other countries.
Second, the British government at the time was not prepared to fund famine relief and follow the steps taken in mainland Europe to prevent mass starvation.
The reason so many Irish poor relied on the potato was due to the issue of land ownership. The English conquest of Ireland meant most of the best land was in the hands wealthy landlords, many of whom were either English or of English descent. Many of them were known as absentee landlords because they didn’t even live in Ireland.
Most of these people, even those who lived in Ireland, still regarded themselves as British and had little empathy with the native Irish. They owned most of the best land, and their main concern was to make a profit from cash crops like wheat or by raising cattle.
The Irish were confined to the less fertile land. Their smallholdings were divided up between sons so that by the 1840s, most of Ireland’s poor depended almost entirely on what they could grow from small plots of second rate land. Some of these plots were little more than an acre.
The only crop that could provide enough food to support a family on such small plots was the potato. By the 1840s, more than two million people depended on it as their life support system. Even when times were good, they struggled to survive; if the crop failed they knew they faced starvation.

https://ireland-calling.com/irish-potato-famine/

[arista]

"The Irish were confined to the less fertile land. Their smallholdings were divided up between sons so that by the 1840s,"


Yes Hard Times
way back in early 1800's
but now you are dependent on the EU masters

[The Slim Reaper]

"The Irish were confined to the less fertile land. Their smallholdings were divided up between sons so that by the 1840s,"


Yes Hard Times
way back in early 1800's
but now you are dependent on the EU masters

Don't be ridiculous, but lets say for one second that Ireland is dependent on their EU masters, what happens to them when you take it away?

Who cares as long as you win brexit, right?

[Niamh.]

"The Irish were confined to the less fertile land. Their smallholdings were divided up between sons so that by the 1840s,"


Yes Hard Times
way back in early 1800's
but now you are dependent on the EU masters

atleast they've not come over and stolen our land yet eh?

[Twosugars]

"The Irish were confined to the less fertile land. Their smallholdings were divided up between sons so that by the 1840s,"


Yes Hard Times
way back in early 1800's
but now you are dependent on the EU masters

EU masters :laugh3:

[Beso]

Absolutely correct the "Irish" exported it :laugh:

The best land was owned by wealthy English lords
First, for historical reasons, more than two million Irish labourers and their families were totally dependent on the potato to survive. This was much higher proportion than in other countries.
Second, the British government at the time was not prepared to fund famine relief and follow the steps taken in mainland Europe to prevent mass starvation.
The reason so many Irish poor relied on the potato was due to the issue of land ownership. The English conquest of Ireland meant most of the best land was in the hands wealthy landlords, many of whom were either English or of English descent. Many of them were known as absentee landlords because they didn’t even live in Ireland.
Most of these people, even those who lived in Ireland, still regarded themselves as British and had little empathy with the native Irish. They owned most of the best land, and their main concern was to make a profit from cash crops like wheat or by raising cattle.
The Irish were confined to the less fertile land. Their smallholdings were divided up between sons so that by the 1840s, most of Ireland’s poor depended almost entirely on what they could grow from small plots of second rate land. Some of these plots were little more than an acre.
The only crop that could provide enough food to support a family on such small plots was the potato. By the 1840s, more than two million people depended on it as their life support system. Even when times were good, they struggled to survive; if the crop failed they knew they faced starvation.

https://ireland-calling.com/irish-potato-famine/



Who allowed the landowners to export thier goods?

[Twosugars]

I do hope for a public inquiry and prison sentences once brexit goes tits up

[Niamh.]

Who allowed the landowners to export thier goods?

Well Ireland was ruled by Britain during the time of the famine so...........

food was actually exported under armed guard at the time.

The link I posted in my last post covers all that if you're interested in the history lesson

The Whigs believed in the free market and opposed anything that would upset trade. They were also evangelical Protestants with little respect Irish Catholics. Some regarded Ireland as a backward country with an idle population and outdated farming systems. Charles Trevelyan, the man responsible for organising famine relief in Ireland, even went to so far as to say that the famine was God’s way of punishing the Irish and weeding out excess population.

[Beso]

Well Ireland was ruled by Britain during the time of the famine so...........

food was actually exported under armed guard at the time.

The link I posted in my last post covers all that if you're interested in the history lesson

The Whigs believed in the free market and opposed anything that would upset trade. They were also evangelical Protestants with little respect Irish Catholics. Some regarded Ireland as a backward country with an idle population and outdated farming systems. Charles Trevelyan, the man responsible for organising famine relief in Ireland, even went to so far as to say that the famine was God’s way of punishing the Irish and weeding out excess population.




Ive just finished reading that on wiki...you are correct..they were ran by the British at the time..

But it is still living in the past..and holding grudges against people who had absolutely nothing to do with something that's about 180 years old....


To use it as an excuse for people considering bombing innocent people is really unfair on those future victims who will have had nothing to do with any of that....

[Niamh.]

Ive just finished reading that on wiki...you are correct..they were ran by the British at the time..

But it is still living in the past..and holding grudges against people who had absolutely nothing to do with something that's about 180 years old....


To use it as an excuse for people considering bombing innocent people is really unfair on those future victims who will have had nothing to do with any of that....

ohhh hang on a second there Parmnion, the famine came up because I mentioned Priti Patels comment on using food shortages as leverage over Ireland and said it was disrespectful considering the famine, I think you are confusing two different things here.

[Beso]

ohhh hang on a second there Parmnion, the famine came up because I mentioned Priti Patels comment on using food shortages as leverage over Ireland and said it was disrespectful considering the famine, I think you are confusing two different things here.

I am very confused today it seems...Im going home for a lay down.

[Twosugars]

ohhh hang on a second there Parmnion, the famine came up because I mentioned Priti Patels comment on using food shortages as leverage over Ireland and said it was disrespectful considering the famine, I think you are confusing two different things here.

That woman is pure poison. Looking forward to her inevitable second downfall

[The Slim Reaper]

That woman is pure poison. Looking forward to her inevitable second downfall

Bit fcuking harsh mate, Niamhs doing her best :smug:

[arista]

I do hope for a public inquiry and prison sentences once brexit goes tits up


Negative like that
is the wrong way to think.

[The Slim Reaper]

Negative like that
is the wrong way to think.

You want to push people further into poverty because you voted for the side of a referendum that broke the law, lied, and cheated, so please explain how wanting justice for that, makes ts the negative one?

[arista]

You want to push people further into poverty because you voted for the side of a referendum that broke the law, lied, and cheated, so please explain how wanting justice for that, makes ts the negative one?



No those in Poverty
are normal.

Broke what Law?
They paid the fine.
All normal.

[Twosugars]

Bit fcuking harsh mate, Niamhs doing her best :smug:

:omgno: :nono: :laugh:

[Twosugars]

No those in Poverty
are normal.

Broke what Law?
They paid the fine.
All normal.

The range of behaviours by trump or brexiters you are prepared to excuse is troubling :think:

And yet bc for because makes you see red...

[arista]

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Yes Dom
you tell em'

[joeysteele]

It's unfortunate we have to listen to Cummings at all.
I thought Campbell bad.

This guy is despicable.

[arista]

It's unfortunate we have to listen to Cummings at all.
I thought Campbell bad.

This guy is despicable.



He is Angry

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEHDgYJUcAUkI6q?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

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Today the PM sat in a Class
with Gavin,

[The Slim Reaper]

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Yes Dom
you tell em'

He lives in a 1.6 million townhouse that has it's own tapestry room, he is a multi millionaire and his wife's family own a castle.

Yes, those elitist remainers.

[Tom4784]

He lives in a 1.6 million townhouse that has it's own tapestry room, he is a multi millionaire and his wife's family own a castle.

Yes, those elitist remainers.

Typical right wing deflection, Anyone with sense knows that it'll be the elites that benefit from a no deal situation.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEHReyhU8AQNDSl?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/knlCGAcv01GF3Cy1YxJ6IQ/https/media.fyre.co/4qiGppziTLaXHE1v9ENB_i-front-page-11-sept_1568149723.jpg


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/B36E/production/_108743954_daily-telegraph.jpg

[Twosugars]

Johnson is not hung up on immigration numbers, have to give him that

[Ammi]

He lives in a 1.6 million townhouse that has it's own tapestry room, he is a multi millionaire and his wife's family own a castle.

Yes, those elitist remainers.

...I can’t believe he actually said that with absolutely no self awareness at all...he should get out of London and get over to NI to talk to the people about their stock piles of wealth...and how terrified they are of losing them now..?...

[Beso]

...I can’t believe he actually said that with absolutely no self awareness at all...he should get out of London and get over to NI to talk to the people about their stock piles of wealth...and how terrified they are of losing them now..?...

That sounds like the landowners from the 1840s..I bet they were also rlterrified of losing thier stock piles of wealth.

[Ammi]

...wealth is the last thing that the people of NI are concerned with is the thing I’m saying...he’s the one who also needs to talk to real people about real fears and stop playing political games with people’s lives...

[Twosugars]

Johnson is not hung up on immigration numbers, have to give him that

I hope he makes it clear to his supporters :hehe:

[Beso]

...wealth is the last thing that the people of NI are concerned with is the thing I’m saying...he’s the one who also needs to talk to real people about real fears and stop playing political games with people’s lives...

Who should?

[The Slim Reaper]

Who should?

I would have thought yesterdays comments on Ireland would have embarrassed you enough to leave it alone today. I apologise for underestimating your level of shame.

[Beso]

I would have thought yesterdays comments on Ireland would have embarrassed you enough to leave it alone today. I apologise for underestimating your level of shame.

Such a nasty individual you are turning into...tibb does that....have fun..:wavey:

[bots]

Boris Johnson’s suspension of UK Parliament is unlawful, judges at Scotland’s highest civil court rule

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855

[Alf]

Boris Johnson’s suspension of UK Parliament is unlawful, judges at Scotland’s highest civil court rule

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855As long as he gets us out the EU, he can break all the laws he likes to do so as far as I'm concerned.

[arista]

Boris Johnson’s suspension of UK Parliament is unlawful, judges at Scotland’s highest civil court rule

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855


It's to late
An Appeal is on Tuesday next week
which is when the Party Political Conferences
are up and running

[The Slim Reaper]

As long as he gets us out the EU, he can break all the laws he likes to do so as far as I'm concerned.

Let's say he does and then Corbyn breaks laws to get us back in, how would you feel about that?

[Alf]

Let's say he does and then Corbyn breaks laws to get us back in, how would you feel about that?I'd put my War face on.

[The Slim Reaper]

I'd put my War face on.

:laugh:

[joeysteele]

As long as he gets us out the EU, he can break all the laws he likes to do so as far as I'm concerned.

Actually that is a really scary and worrying statement.

So taking control back is to actually legitimize breaking laws to get ones own way in power.

That's the even welcomed legacy of the leave process by even just some who wanted to leave.

As Ammi has said, democracy being killed off.

It is, by the more extreme and worrying elements of those subscribing to leave in any way, at any cost.
Disgraceful.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EELFsm5XUAAmWy6?format=jpg&name=900x900

[bots]

Actually that is a really scary and worrying statement.

So taking control back is to actually legitimize breaking laws to get ones own way in power.

That's the even welcomed legacy of the leave process by even just some who wanted to leave.

As Ammi has said, democracy being killed off.

It is, by the more extreme and worrying elements of those subscribing to leave in any way, at any cost.
Disgraceful.


There was a poll taken yesterday and 52% of those that voted for brexit supported Boris breaking the law to achieve it. Couldn't make it up

[Alf]

Actually that is a really scary and worrying statement.

So taking control back is to actually legitimize breaking laws to get ones own way in power.

That's the even welcomed legacy of the leave process by even just some who wanted to leave.

As Ammi has said, democracy being killed off.

It is, by the more extreme and worrying elements of those subscribing to leave in any way, at any cost.
Disgraceful.At this point we're basically at war with the Political establishment. You should be more worried that they're no longer listening to us and carrying out our will.

The rules change during war.

[The Slim Reaper]

At this point we're basically at war with the Political establishment. You should be more worried that they're no longer listening to us and carrying out our will.

The rules change during war.

We're back here again. They listened, and have tried to deliver a brexit that wouldn't cripple the economy, and peoples lives. They can't.

No one is at war; whatever happens with brexit, we're going to all need to move on together at some point.

[Toy Soldier]

The rules change during war.

At this point you're becoming a bit of an extremist, Alf. The language of "war" over Brexit?

[Alf]

We're back here again. They listened, and have tried to deliver a brexit that wouldn't cripple the economy, and peoples lives. They can't.

No one is at war; whatever happens with brexit, we're going to all need to move on together at some point.It was their duty and their promise to take us out of the EU on March 31st, it's now September. Our votes mean nothing to them.

Absolutely no proof whatsoever that it would cripple the economy, it's a defeatist belief, and the ones that push this fairytale just happen to be the ones who want to keep chained to the EU monster, how fitting.

[Alf]

At this point you're becoming a bit of an extremist, Alf. The language of "war" over Brexit?I could be a submissive if you want, and just accept that mine and your vote means nothing anymore.

[MTVN]

The great coup of 2019 in which Parliament lost 4 days of sitting but still managed to block no deal, reject an election twice and demand that civil servants publish personal messages

What a tyranny Boris is presiding over

[The Slim Reaper]

It was their duty and their promise to take us out of the EU on March 31st, it's now September. Our votes mean nothing to them.

Absolutely no proof whatsoever that it would cripple the economy, it's a defeatist belief, and the ones that push this fairytale just happen to be the ones who want to keep chained to the EU monster, how fitting.

The referendum was advisory, and a deal was the promised.

Well, the brexit government believe it would be bad for us, which is why they're fighting to keep the yellowhammer report secret.

Unless you are claiming that cummings and Johnson are also remainers now?

Chained to the eu monster where we already have the ability to curb immigration and give more money to NI every year than Brussels.

[The Slim Reaper]

The great coup of 2019 in which Parliament lost 4 days of sitting but still managed to block no deal, reject an election twice and demand that civil servants publish personal messages

What a tyranny Boris is presiding over

That's surely a bit simplistic, no?

They had to rush these things through because of the actions that johnson took, and were also only able to do this, because johnson removed people who weren't purist enough for him.

Does that not even worry you in the slightest?

[arista]

The Gov is not bringing Parliament Back
as this weekend The LibDem start their Conference.


So this Scottish Court took to long.

We are still to leave on on October 31st
as well.

[The Slim Reaper]

The Gov is not bringing Parliament Back
as this weekend The LibDem start their Conference.


So this Scottish Court took to long.

We are still to leave on on October 31st
as well.

How, when that would be against the law if he can't get a deal?

[arista]

How, when that would be against the law if he can't get a deal?



But he is getting a New Deal
by October 19th.



Dominic Cummings and Johnson PM
are working hard.

[arista]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EELcM_zXoAItpz9?format=png&name=small



Scotland to Northern Ireland


How Nice

[MTVN]

That's surely a bit simplistic, no?

They had to rush these things through because of the actions that johnson took, and were also only able to do this, because johnson removed people who weren't purist enough for him.

Does that not even worry you in the slightest?

Not really because I think it's been blown out of all proportion. Talk of democracy being killed off is so far wide of the mark at a time when Parliament has exercised more control than ever and has assumed far greater powers on things that used to be within the remit of the executive

[joeysteele]

There was a poll taken yesterday and 52% of those that voted for brexit supported Boris breaking the law to achieve it. Couldn't make it up

Dead right.

I'll take things as they were any day than this new democracy, when it suits, from what that poll, says most leavers.

[Twosugars]

Lol I'd wait with that bridge until indyref2

[bots]

Not really because I think it's been blown out of all proportion. Talk of democracy being killed off is so far wide of the mark at a time when Parliament has exercised more control than ever and has assumed far greater powers on things that used to be within the remit of the executive

it was an attempt to subvert democracy. I think the fact that it didn't achieve its aims does not excuse it

[MTVN]

it was an attempt to subvert democracy. I think the fact that it didn't achieve its aims does not excuse it

Depends. People's idea of what is and isn't 'democracy' seems very different than it used to be when Parliament had nothing like the power that it has exercised in the last few years. It wouldn't be hard to argue that a parliament that forces through a policy without allowing itself to be tested by the electorate is also an attempt to subvert democracy

[arista]

Lol I'd wait with that bridge until indyref2


That's only if Labour Win the
next General Election.
as they have said 9 months after they
will have a Referendum

[Beso]

The irish border will be in the irish sea, we shall leave when this is finalised.

[The Slim Reaper]

Depends. People's idea of what is and isn't 'democracy' seems very different than it used to be when Parliament had nothing like the power that it has exercised in the last few years. It wouldn't be hard to argue that a parliament that forces through a policy without allowing itself to be tested by the electorate is also an attempt to subvert democracy

Parliament has always had these powers, which is what made the "EU masters telling us what to do" line particularly cynical. What are your actual views on the whole topic? I'm asking because you're interesting to me on this subject; I'm pretty sure you were a remainer but saw the pluses/minuses of both arguments, and yet I've only ever read you supporting the shenanigans and jiggery pokery of the leave side.

Not being facetious or accusatory, I just don't have any idea where you actually stand on the issue, so just trying work it out in my own head.

[arista]

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[Twosugars]

Well the're not lying Arista.
It must have been taken at the start of brexit and our government has wasted not two years as they say here but over 3 already.
Then transition while the new FTA is worked out.
Let's see how long it will take with the US shall we

[Beso]

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That's taken from the behind the scenes documentary programme....believe me, that's actually a rather mild clip compared to others in the show.

[MTVN]

Parliament has always had these powers, which is what made the "EU masters telling us what to do" line particularly cynical. What are your actual views on the whole topic? I'm asking because you're interesting to me on this subject; I'm pretty sure you were a remainer but saw the pluses/minuses of both arguments, and yet I've only ever read you supporting the shenanigans and jiggery pokery of the leave side.

Not being facetious or accusatory, I just don't have any idea where you actually stand on the issue, so just trying work it out in my own head.

Parliament never used to be able to prevent an election until the FTPA and afaik pre-Brexit they never took control of the order paper and they were never able to impose policy on the country's elected government before

I was a Remainer and I still kinda wish the ref had never happened but what it did do was make me aware of the level of discontent in the country with the status quo and with 'the establishment'. I think the result should be honoured because people should see that their vote actually meant something. I also think delivering Brexit is what is most likely to allow us to move on from it and let the country 'come back together'. Even though I thought it would be better to Remain I never thought the EU was a particularly noble organisation and a lot of the criticisms about its lack of accountability are true. Being a member of it is not the be all and end all and so the damage that overturning the referendum would do to people's faith in our democracy is not a price worth paying. Sneering at Leave voters and suggesting they were tricked or lied to doesn't address the cause of the result and actually I think a lot of pretty moderate Leave voters have been radicalised by the contempt their vote is treated with which is why so many are now set on no deal.

[joeysteele]

Oppositions have always been able to try to overturn or put forward bills to be voted on.
Usually with little success due to governments having effective overall majority.

Emergency debates and motions have always been the norm.

When Labour was a minority in Feb 1974 through to October 1974..
They struggled badly due to the Con opposition able to defeat and defeat legislation.

Johnson made his job harder, getting rid of and alienating his own number of MPs.
Then expecting parliament to HELP him out his mess via a general election.
No way.

Why would an opposition holding the upper hand, throw that in, until they were sure they'd secured a law and compliance with that law.

Nothing undemocratic about that at all.

Johnson's domestic agenda may still get most things through.
The MPs he's treated abominably, would still support most of his domestic policies.

It's just his conflicting and deceitful stance of tearing down the highway to the hardest most extreme no deal brexit.
That Parliament is against.

This is a shocking way for any PM to behave.
I don't care who he or she is, or for what party either.

It's just beyond belief to me anyone can even support or admire Johnson's actions.
It speaks volumes however.

[arista]

Some MP's have gathered at Parliament.


Stupid fools it's not open,

[joeysteele]

Some MP's have gathered at Parliament.


Stupid fools it's not open,

The point is, at present today at least,according to law.
It should be open.

[Toy Soldier]

what it did do was make me aware of the level of discontent in the country with the status quo and with 'the establishment'. I think the result should be honoured because people should see that their vote actually meant something. I also think delivering Brexit is what is most likely to allow us to move on from it and let the country 'come back together'. .

It'll take decades for the Brexit rist to be even close to healed, and being blunt, by that time a very large percentage of those who voted for it will be dead. :shrug:

[arista]

The point is, at present today at least,according to law.
It should be open.



No as the Court is not finished
Appeal on Tuesday

[arista]

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEL-298X4AAZ5ZC?format=jpg&name=small

[joeysteele]

No as the Court is not finished
Appeal on Tuesday

The government's lawyers didn't ask for the judgement to be set aside pending appeal.

That means this is law at the present time.

If someone is found guilty and sent to prison.
They stay there until their appeal is heard.

They remain guilty until that appeal.

He is in effect breaking the law leaving parliament closed.

[Twosugars]

It'll take decades for the Brexit rist to be even close to healed, and being blunt, by that time a very large percentage of those who voted for it will be dead. :shrug:

True.
May made a big mistake by not forming a national unity government in 2016. That would be the only right way to deal with the issue.
As it is we've had further radicalisation on both sides deepening the rift.
I will never forgive the leave side regardless of how it all ends.

[arista]

"He is in effect breaking the law leaving parliament closed. "


Arrest the PM , then.

[arista]

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[Twosugars]

"He is in effect breaking the law leaving parliament closed. "


Arrest the PM , then.

SNP leader at Westminster twitted already that bojo should not travel to Scotland or it's a citizen arrest :laugh:

[Twosugars]

Dominic Cummings spent 3 years in Russia, there are rumours he is a Russian agent.

[joeysteele]

"He is in effect breaking the law leaving parliament closed. "


Arrest the PM , then.

Not a bad idea.

IF this ruling were to be upheld next week, he very well could possibly be.

Misleading the Queen neither looks or sounds good.
That will need action.
IF, the same ruling comes on Tuesday.

So he needs to keep all crossed I'd say and tread more carefully.
If this ruling today is upheld next week, surely he'll be at least forced to resign.

[arista]

Not a bad idea.

IF this ruling were to be upheld next week, he very well could possibly be.

Misleading the Queen neither looks or sounds good.
That will need action.
IF, the same ruling comes on Tuesday.

So he needs to keep all crossed I'd say and tread more carefully.
If this ruling today is upheld next week, surely he'll be at least forced to resign.



You do not know what they spoke about
she may Hate Corbyn , in private

[arista]

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Yes you are a great writer
but we are not cooked , madame

[arista]

SNP leader at Westminster twitted already that bojo should not travel to Scotland or it's a citizen arrest :laugh:



Scottish Cops
going up against Armed PM Officers?


We will win that fight

[Twosugars]

1171800287364952066


Yes you are a great writer
but we are not cooked , madame

Getting there

[joeysteele]

You do not know what they spoke about
she may Hate Corbyn , in private


He sent Rees-Mogg with the papers.

He's been judged to have prorogued Parliament to be stymying parliament.
Not for what he said.

If that's upheld,.IF it is.
He may be in very hot water indeed.

[arista]

Loads of Remain MP's
are saying all that stuff Joey

But Parliament is not Open.
The PM and Dominic Cummings are staying put

[arista]

Joey it is still not over
Next Tuesday it goes to the Supreme Court
confirmed

[joeysteele]

Joey it is still not over
Next Tuesday it goes to the Supreme Court
confirmed

I'm fully aware of that.
As I've pointed out endlessly above.

Until then it is ended but the ruling not invalid however, as I pointed out due to government lawyers NOT requesting this judgement set aside pending appeal.

That means this ruling by this supreme court, remains valid, until and unless next weeks hearing overturns it.

That's the law.

[arista]

I'm fully aware of that.
As I've pointed out endlessly above.

Until then it is ended but the ruling not invalid however, as I pointed out due to government lawyers NOT requesting this judgement set aside pending appeal.

That means this ruling by this supreme court, remains valid, until and unless next weeks hearing overturns it.

That's the law.


Not Yet.

[Twosugars]

Let's have some parliamentary action :dance:
Missing Bercow already

[Beso]

Let's have some parliamentary action :dance:
Missing Bercow already

Your bants drying up...do you need fed?

[joeysteele]

Not Yet.

They had to request the ruling be set aside in court at the hearing arista..not when it pleases them.

[Beso]

They had to request the ruling be set aside in court at the hearing arista..not when it pleases them.

The appeal..how long can that be drawn out for?

[Beso]

Just a thought.....


Britain has always been bang on regarding espionage and secretive shizzle. ..


Imagine if this was all a sneeky ploy....or would that be classed as tin hat worthy?

[smudgie]

So the English court threw it out, how can the Scottish civil ruling override that.:shrug:
Uk Supreme Court will rule on Tuesday, hopefully whichever way it goes it is carried out.
Can’t wait for all this shambolic lot to be sorted.:fist:

[Beso]

So the English court threw it out, how can the Scottish civil ruling override that.:shrug:
Uk Supreme Court will rule on Tuesday, hopefully whichever way it goes it is carried out.
Can’t wait for all this shambolic lot to be sorted.:fist:

They work to a different book so the same thing can be challenged in both courts....I think.:shrug:

[joeysteele]

They work to a different book so the same thing can be challenged in both courts....I think.:shrug:

There are 2 different cases.
The high court in England didn't uphold the Gina Miller case.
So they're taking it to the higher English supreme court.

The Scottish case in the Supreme court today is the Joanna Cherry case.

The lower courts haven't upheld the cases against the government.

However this higher Supreme court in Scotland has.

Now it may be, the English Supreme court may take both cases together.
Maybe not.

However if the higher English Supreme court now upholds the ruling from this Supreme court today.

Then Mr Johnson is likely in deep trouble for his rash and unsavoury type of democracy.
He has to hope the Supreme court next week agrees wholly with him.
Because if they don't.
His more than usual deceit will be well and truly exposed.

Justice has every right to be done however and it shouldn't be an issue where and how justice is sought.
Or how long it takes.

[Beso]

There are 2 different cases.
The high court in England didn't uphold the Gina Miller case.
So they're taking it to the higher English supreme court.

The Scottish case in the Supreme court today is the Joanna Cherry case.

The lower courts haven't upheld the cases against the government.

However this higher Supreme court in Scotland has.

Now it may be, the English Supreme court may take both cases together.
Maybe not.

However if the higher English Supreme court now upholds the ruling from this Supreme court today.

Then Mr Johnson is likely in deep trouble for his rash and unsavoury type of democracy.
He has to hope the Supreme court next week agrees wholly with him.
Because if they don't.
His more than usual deceit will be well and truly exposed.

Justice has every right to be done however and it shouldn't be an issue where and how justice is sought.
Or how long it takes.



I will.pee myself if it ends up in the eu human courts....thanks for that info though joey..:wavey:

[smudgie]

There are 2 different cases.
The high court in England didn't uphold the Gina Miller case.
So they're taking it to the higher English supreme court.

The Scottish case in the Supreme court today is the Joanna Cherry case.

The lower courts haven't upheld the cases against the government.

However this higher Supreme court in Scotland has.

Now it may be, the English Supreme court may take both cases together.
Maybe not.

However if the higher English Supreme court now upholds the ruling from this Supreme court today.

Then Mr Johnson is likely in deep trouble for his rash and unsavoury type of democracy.
He has to hope the Supreme court next week agrees wholly with him.
Because if they don't.
His more than usual deceit will be well and truly exposed.

Justice has every right to be done however and it shouldn't be an issue where and how justice is sought.
Or how long it takes.

Thanks Joey, it is all so chaotic and hard to follow at the moment.

[bots]

Thanks Joey, it is all so chaotic and hard to follow at the moment.

it's complicated by the fact that the Scottish and English legal systems are completely separate, so it doesn't matter what the English supreme court result is. As the UK parliament looks after scottish interests as well as english, rulings from Scottish courts apply. If the Scottish High court has deemed Boris's action illegal, it is illegal, it doesn't matter what the english supreme court view is.

[Twosugars]

There are 2 different cases.
The high court in England didn't uphold the Gina Miller case.
So they're taking it to the higher English supreme court.

The Scottish case in the Supreme court today is the Joanna Cherry case.

The lower courts haven't upheld the cases against the government.

However this higher Supreme court in Scotland has.

Now it may be, the English Supreme court may take both cases together.
Maybe not.

However if the higher English Supreme court now upholds the ruling from this Supreme court today.

Then Mr Johnson is likely in deep trouble for his rash and unsavoury type of democracy.
He has to hope the Supreme court next week agrees wholly with him.
Because if they don't.
His more than usual deceit will be well and truly exposed.

Justice has every right to be done however and it shouldn't be an issue where and how justice is sought.
Or how long it takes.


I read there is a different approach to constitutional law matters in Scotland and England.
Apparently there is little chance of repeating the Scottish verdict in London. A shame

[Beso]

Thanks Joey, it is all so chaotic and hard to follow at the moment.

He's a really nice guy joey, smudgie. As I'm sure you are aware..fantastic bb memories
..

I HATE BREXIT.....for that reason. ...it really makes me sad the way the forum has splintered in 4

[smudgie]

He's a really nice guy joey, smudgie. As I'm sure you are aware..fantastic bb memories
..

I HATE BREXIT.....for that reason. ...it really makes me sad the way the forum has splintered in 4

Indeed Parmy.
We have had plenty of political conversations, don’t always agree but I always respect his point of view.
Brexit won’t put me off anybody, not worth falling out over different viewpoints.

[arista]

Operation Yellowhammer: Government no-deal Brexit documents released

https://news.sky.com/story/operation-yellowhammer-government-no-deal-brexit-documents-released-11807339

[joeysteele]

Thanks Joey, it is all so chaotic and hard to follow at the moment.

It is smudgie and it's desperately sad really.

All this should and could have been avoided.
In 2017 had Theresa May included properly all the Parties in parliament.
Then enabled free votes.
All MPs could have voted as to their consciences.

I think her and the EUs agreement may have had s couple of things different bit been passed at first trying.

There's no chance of consensus with this PM.

It's all desperately sad.

I voted remain and would over and over again.
However, I would be happy with a deal even Mrs Mays deal.
Which I said MPs should support last time it was put forward.

By the same token, I'll support anyone in any legal means to stop this madman plunging the whole UK into a no deal brexit.

It should never have come to this point.
While I will never agree with Johnson ever, especially on brexit.

The one I'll always blame the most for this, is Mrs May and her never ending uncompromising stance all through.
She should have led for all, not just her own prestige and Party.

That's hindsight for you.
Why can't we have politicians more prepared to try to acquire foresight on vital issues that affect the whole UK, and its citizens.

[Beso]

I was complaining about the uk being dragged back into the dark old days of union rule. .bit now I hanker for those days. Those days of no social media, where memes sway opinion, and more worryingly where trails can be laid and never be back traced. .sad sad world we live in now. .

[joeysteele]

I was complaining about the uk being dragged back into the dark old days of union rule. .bit now I hanker for those days. Those days of no social media, where memes sway opinion, and more worryingly where trails can be laid and never be back traced. .sad sad world we live in now. .


I don't know parmnion, how life was in the 70s myself.
My Mum says they were great years even with their problems and then she loved the Bay City Rollers.

However, it does seem to me, learning as much as I can, especially from those from those days.

It seems the answers we need to some of the very imposing questions we are struggling with now, are possibly to be found there.

[Beso]

I don't know parmnion, how life was in the 70s myself.
My Mum says they were great years even with their problems and then she loved the Bay City Rollers.

However, it does seem to me, learning as much as I can, especially from those from those days.

It seems the answers we need to some of the very imposing questions we are struggling with now, are possibly to be found there.


But to many people have that platform for us to be able to fully rely on any one opinion. .better not knowing imo...take away social.media and we would.be just waiting on brexit....far more united as a nation....and not split like this...which to me is far sadder than our political situation atm..

[Twosugars]

But to many people have that platform for us to be able to fully rely on any one opinion. .better not knowing imo...take away social.media and we would.be just waiting on brexit....far more united as a nation....and not split like this...which to me is far sadder than our political situation atm..

Rubbish. Nothing to do with social media.
People are capable of forming opinions based on facts and logic.
I dont need the social media to tell me that turning our backs on our neighbours and biggest trading partners with whom we share a continent, including its security, culture and environment is the stupidest idea ever

[Beso]

Rubbish. Nothing to do with social media.
People are capable of forming opinions based on facts and logic.
I dont need the social media to tell me that turning our backs on our neighbours and biggest trading partners with whom we share a continent, including its security, culture and environment is the stupidest idea ever

You may not need social media for that....but by the love of God and all that is almighty...you need a platform to air your drivel .you're nothing more than a face or a name...chirping pish......


I will go to my grave thinking that Twosugars.

[Twosugars]

You may not need social media for that....but by the love of God and all that is almighty...you need a platform to air it.. .your nothing more than a face or a name...chirping pish......


I will go to my grave thinking that Twosugars.

Yeah bc before social media people didnt communicate with one another

[Beso]

Yeah bc before social media people didnt communicate with one another

Sorry, don't understand what your saying:shrug:

[arista]

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[Ammi]

Operation Yellowhammer: Government no-deal Brexit documents released

https://news.sky.com/story/operation-yellowhammer-government-no-deal-brexit-documents-released-11807339

...so long as those in government and who they choose to inform, have time to stock pile their provisions...all the Jacks who are alright, eh...that’s the important thing...

[Ammi]

...I guess that panic buying at its finest is going to be happening at a shop/supermarket near us, soon...

[Ammi]

...the contempt that these elitists are showing for all who voted Brexit as well...why would they care about the people of Northern Ireland when they’re so contemptuous even of their supporters...