Boris has asked the Queen to suspend Parliment, The Queen has now approved

[Alf]

Labour won't vote in favour of no confidence against Boris. Their priority is blocking no deal, and that could be put in jeopardy with a snap election.

[Vanessa]

I think they should wait for an election. Focus on getting a deal first.

[Withano]

Remaining under a new government is literally the only thing left.

We can have another referendum so the last few remaining remainers don’t have riots.

It’s literally the only rational conclusion to this mess at this point.

[bots]

there isn't a solution now that can be acceptable. If there were a GE and one side got a majority and forced something through, it still wouldn't be the end of it. The only thing we can do now is minimise damage and that requires a majority of mp's to compromise over a route forward when no-one is in the mood for compromise.

[Beso]

An election will tell us nothing, the country was and still is split right down the middle, it's sad.

Actually painstakingly horrible to watch. At a time when we need to pull together as well, it's shamefully that people have held up an effigy of Trump in the form of a big balloon and that effigy has been worshipped like the side of a bus by a hypocritical shambles, a self rightious bunch of hypocrites, who scream and shout at anything they oppose...including old black ladies preaching God on the streets of London as they passed her in thier hundreds...

Absolutely shameful that people's heads are being stretched to breaking point by all sides, emotions being played on is the worst form of politics apart from the lib Dems in the 70s early 80s..

[Alf]

there isn't a solution now that can be acceptable. If there were a GE and one side got a majority and forced something through, it still wouldn't be the end of it. The only thing we can do now is minimise damage and that requires a majority of mp's to compromise over a route forward when no-one is in the mood for compromise.The people could vote Nigel Farage into number 10. If they wanted to, they might see it as the more peaceful way about going about things.

[Twosugars]

A soft brexit deal would pass in parliament and may win a new referendum

The leave side overplayed their tiny win. Theres no way a 51.9% result justifies a hard brexit. Hence the resistance.
If May had gone above party politics she'd have had a soft brexit deal passed a year ago.

[user104658]

In order to shut both sides up we need an any-old-deal Brexit at this point that takes the Irish situation into account and allows trade to keep flowing even if it's bare minimum / costly, which will appease Brexiteers, let the situation calm down so that people crawl back under their rocks, and then quietly push through a complete customs union that's as close to full membership as possible. Most Brexiteers won't even notice so it'll be fine :thumbs:

[arista]

I think they should wait for an election. Focus on getting a deal first.




Yes Corbyn wants a General Election
but not until the 31st of October
is not a No Deal by the PM

[Tom4784]

Brexit must be delayed at this point, we are not ready and the government is in disarray.

Delay Brexit, have another election and then they must decide. Nobody that possesses a modicum of inteligence wants no deal and so Parliament must agree to the compromise that is the current deal.

[arista]

Brexit must be delayed at this point, we are not ready and the government is in disarray.

Delay Brexit, have another election and then they must decide. Nobody that possesses a modicum of inteligence wants no deal and so Parliament must agree to the compromise that is the current deal..



Johnson PM said NO
today to any delay

[The Slim Reaper]

An election will tell us nothing, the country was and still is split right down the middle, it's sad.

Actually painstakingly horrible to watch. At a time when we need to pull together as well, it's shamefully that people have held up an effigy of Trump in the form of a big balloon and that effigy has been worshipped like the side of a bus by a hypocritical shambles, a self rightious bunch of hypocrites, who scream and shout at anything they oppose...including old black ladies preaching God on the streets of London as they passed her in thier hundreds...

Absolutely shameful that people's heads are being stretched to breaking point by all sides, emotions being played on is the worst form of politics apart from the lib Dems in the 70s early 80s..

I agree; that comedy trump balloon is exactly the same as people trying to force a no deal through that the government decided it needed to stockpile body bags for, in preparation. Those 2 things are inseparable from each other.

[Twosugars]

.



Johnson PM said NO
today to any delay

PM today, gone tomorrow

Off with the lying clown

[Beso]

I agree; that comedy trump balloon is exactly the same as people trying to force a no deal through that the government decided it needed to stockpile body bags for, in preparation. Those 2 things are inseparable from each other.

Was the stockpiling of bodybags on the side of a bus? :joker:

Or on the front of the daily sport?

[arista]

PM today, gone tomorrow

Off with the lying clown


Tomorrow
he is Flying back form NYC.


If as you say he goes
who takes over?

[Twosugars]

Tomorrow
he is Flying back form NYC.


If as you say he goes
who takes over?

My choice would be Starmer for a caretaker.
If another tory minority then idk, after the purge not many serious people left.
Maybe Javid?

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Was the stockpiling of bodybags on the side of a bus? :joker:

Or on the front of the daily sport?

Nah, just the base scenario written by the current government that they tried to hide. No biggie, keep up these false equivalences though.

[arista]

My choice would be Starmer for a caretaker.
If another tory minority then idk, after the purge not many serious people left.
Maybe Javid?



But he is not going for it.

Corbyn Demands to be Caretaker.

LibDem Bitch says No Way


So you are stuck
with Johnson PM.

[AnnieK]

Was the stockpiling of bodybags on the side of a bus? :joker:

Or on the front of the daily sport?

No, unfortunately that's a very real situation, unlike the lies on the side of the bus, sadly

[arista]

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[Twosugars]

But he is not going for it.

Corbyn Demands to be Caretaker.

LibDem Bitch says No Way


So you are stuck
with Johnson PM.





If Corbyn has sense he should compromise, tbh they should both find a compromise
It's not the time for a primadonna antics

[arista]

If Corbyn has sense he should compromise, tbh they should both find a compromise
It's not the time for a primadonna antics


No
Corbyn and the LibDem Leader
are Enemies.

[The Slim Reaper]

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JRM had already stated when May was PM that they should shut down parliament to force a no deal through.

All that document reveals is that they're looking for scapegoats.

[arista]

Dominic Cummings
has a secret plan.

[Twosugars]

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Well, that's him told

Unanimous verdict
Even that couple of judges who have a history of licking governments arse decided that this time enough is enough

[The Slim Reaper]

Dominic Cummings
has a secret plan.

Good job we took Tusks advice when he told us not to waste the extension we were given. They're looking for secret plans to force us out in a no deal, which will mean breaking the law again. He's already been warned by the chancellor.

[arista]

Well, that's him told

Unanimous verdict
Even that couple of judges who have a history of licking governments arse decided that this time enough is enough


Yes he can Sack the Giant G.Cox

[joeysteele]

In light of this judgement on Johnson's deceit and unlawful actions.

I find it amazing anyone seems even remotely impressed that he's looking for other means to get round things.

This is supposed to be the PM of the whole UK.
Yet his word is false, his actions deceitful and his most recent act, even involving the Monarch, ruled unlawful by the highest court in the UK.

He should be thrown out of parliament, not be heralded and he certainly should not be Prime Minister.

Unbelievable.

[MTVN]

Very odd situation where the opposition now control the Commons and yet wish to keep the Prime Minister in place thereby sustaining a paralysed government and parliament, really worth rushing back for that..

[MTVN]

Well, that's him told

Unanimous verdict
Even that couple of judges who have a history of licking governments arse decided that this time enough is enough

Are you saying that some of the Supreme Court judges are biased towards the government (most the time)?

[Beso]

Very odd situation where the opposition now control the Commons and yet wish to keep the Prime Minister in place thereby sustaining a paralysed government and parliament, really worth rushing back for that..

Just like Boris abusing his power for his own gain/reasons...only Boris hasn't moaned like **** about some one else doing it beforehand.

[Twosugars]

Are you saying that some of the Supreme Court judges are biased towards the government (most the time)?
Not really. I'm sure they had their reasons in law.
Very odd situation where the opposition now control the Commons and yet wish to keep the Prime Minister in place thereby sustaining a paralysed government and parliament, really worth rushing back for that..

You know very well why. So that he doesnt crash us out on the sly

[MTVN]

The bill is now enshrined in law - there's nothing more they can do now that they haven't already done so I'm curious about how they're going to spend the next few weeks given that they dont want the government to fall and also have no idea what they actually do want. Actually keeping Boris in place could make No Deal more likely as he could either resign at the last moment or he could request the extension in such a way as to ensure it is refused by the EU

[Beso]

So Boris stamped his feat to get his own way and got caught out, and the hypocrites rejoice ....


while the sensible people stare opened mouth at thier hypocrisy as they still stand against an order given by that majority to the government, rejoicing that it hasn't been fulfilled yet.

[The Slim Reaper]

So Boris stamped his feat to get his own way and got caught out, and the hypocrites rejoice ....


while the sensible people stare opened mouth at thier hypocrisy as they still stand against an order given by that majority to the government, rejoicing that it hasn't been fulfilled yet.

Alright Scarlett O'Hara ease off on the drama a touch. The reason we haven't left yet, is because your guys haven't been able to get one of those fabled deals they promised. No other reason.

[Beso]

Alright Scarlett O'Hara ease off on the drama a touch. The reason we haven't left yet, is because your guys haven't been able to get one of those fabled deals they promised. No other reason.

You all bullied the delightfully eloquent and humblingly sexy Teresa may into submission..then moaned at everyone else when you got Boris. .

If that doesn't deserve a bit of glitz n glamour in a carefree manner then I'm not the old romantic I think I am.

[The Slim Reaper]

You all bullied the delightfully eloquent and humblingly sexy Teresa may into submission..then moaned at everyone else when you got Boris. .

If that doesn't deserve a bit of glitz n glamour in a carefree manner then I'm not the old romantic I think I am.

The DUP and ERG say hi.

Oh, and they promised better deals than we have already, and it would be the easiest deal in history as they would all come begging to us.

Still...those pesky remainers, ey?

[Beso]

The DUP and ERG say hi.

Oh, and they promised better deals than we have already, and it would be the easiest deal in history as they would all come begging to us.

Still...those pesky remainers, ey?



Doesn't really matter what you or I say, government is now out of suspension..but it is currently being paralysed by people opposing brexit so it may as well be suspended..

It all comes back to the original vote to leave to me..all we have left are the mouthy hypocritical minority, blocking an order a majority brought upon the government, whilst pretending to believe in the very system that brought that scenario...it's just news worthy, yawn....

We will.leave Oct 31st..grow some balls and go with it.

[joeysteele]

Until October 31st is passed and then no deal at that point secured.
Parliament is right to keep the pressure going with this beyond any trust PM.

He could fix an election date if it was granted him.

These few more weeks are important to get passed.

He may try bringing a Queens speech forward.
Thinking he can get an election earlier that way.
However, he could be defeated in a Queens speech but due to the fixed term parliament act, his party brought in.

He could then still win a vote of confidence, with no election resulting.
That's the fixed term parliament conditions.

The opposition getting this far, need to ensure 31st October is passed AND an extension in place.
Before they commit to an election.

This PM has just been declared acting unlawfully, no way should he be trusted..

Any ordinary person found to have acted unlawfully in their job would be certain to lose it.

Johnson has chosen confrontation since becoming PM.
Today, legally from the highest court in the land.
That confrontation and deceit is backfiring on him.
Thank all powers that be for that from me.

[Twosugars]

The bill is now enshrined in law - there's nothing more they can do now that they haven't already done so I'm curious about how they're going to spend the next few weeks given that they dont want the government to fall and also have no idea what they actually do want. Actually keeping Boris in place could make No Deal more likely as he could either resign at the last moment or he could request the extension in such a way as to ensure it is refused by the EU

His own fault and his cronies for speculating loudly that they may not obey the law

It was said that he can't phrase it to be rejected

[The Slim Reaper]

Doesn't really matter what you or I say, government is now out of suspension..but it is currently being paralysed by people opposing brexit so it may as well be suspended..

It all comes back to the original vote to leave to me..all we have left are the mouthy hypocritical minority, blocking an order a majority brought upon the government, whilst pretending to believe in the very system that brought that scenario...it's just news worthy, yawn....

We will.leave Oct 31st..grow some balls and go with it.

You can't just ignore facts when they become inconvenient for you to think about. Like I said, The tories tried for 3 years to get a deal as was promised and campaigned on. That Brexit party Tice guy, said it would be illegal to leave the EU without a deal back in 2016. They couldn't do it, because there isn't one out there comparable to what we already have.

You can't continually use that vote as an excuse for why we should crash out with no deal, whilst at the same time ignoring the fact that those same people were promised a deal. The most recent poll I saw said that 67% of those that voted leave would be happy to leave with no deal. There's your majority gone in an instant for a no deal Brexit. Your version of Brexit is different to other versions, that's why we need a new ref, with no deal on the ballot.

[The Slim Reaper]

Until October 31st is passed and then no deal at that point secured.
Parliament is right to keep the pressure going with this beyond any trust PM.

He could fix an election date if it was granted him.

These few more weeks are important to get passed.

He may try bringing a Queens speech forward.
Thinking he can get an election earlier that way.
However, he could be defeated in a Queens speech but due to the fixed term parliament act, his party brought in.

He could then still win a vote of confidence, with no election resulting.
That's the fixed term parliament conditions.

The opposition getting this far, need to ensure 31st October is passed AND an extension in place.
Before they commit to an election.

This PM has just been declared acting unlawfully, no way should he be trusted..

Any ordinary person found to have acted unlawfully in their job would be certain to lose it.

Johnson has chosen confrontation since becoming PM.
Today, legally from the highest court in the land.
That confrontation and deceit is backfiring on him.
Thank all powers that be for that from me.

The FT have a policy of never asking for resignations. They said BJ should resign this evening.

[Beso]

We have learned not to believe polls in recent years..recent, lol......isn't one extension enough for the brexit blockers to realise they ain't going to get thier way in the end...do they need another on in Oct. ...oh the joys.....imagine going back cap in hand to the eu after all this....what a thought that is.

[bots]

The bill is now enshrined in law - there's nothing more they can do now that they haven't already done so I'm curious about how they're going to spend the next few weeks given that they dont want the government to fall and also have no idea what they actually do want. Actually keeping Boris in place could make No Deal more likely as he could either resign at the last moment or he could request the extension in such a way as to ensure it is refused by the EU

there were a lot of bills in progress that were forced to be cancelled, they can now be reopened without starting the whole process over.

It was also explained that there is a big difference between shutdown and recess, there is much more going on than debates in parliament every day

[Beso]

You can't just ignore facts when they become inconvenient for you to think about. Like I said, The tories tried for 3 years to get a deal as was promised and campaigned on. That Brexit party Tice guy, said it would be illegal to leave the EU without a deal back in 2016. They couldn't do it, because there isn't one out there comparable to what we already have.

You can't continually use that vote as an excuse for why we should crash out with no deal, whilst at the same time ignoring the fact that those same people were promised a deal. The most recent poll I saw said that 67% of those that voted leave would be happy to leave with no deal. There's your majority gone in an instant for a no deal Brexit. Your version of Brexit is different to other versions, that's why we need a new ref, with no deal on the ballot.



They were promised a deal and we're given a deal......


That's the way the majority will see it in any future vote regarding brexit that the public get in the future, all this bravado is for nothing.

[The Slim Reaper]

We have learned not to believe polls in recent years..recent, lol......isn't one extension enough for the brexit blockers to realise they ain't going to get thier way in the end...do they need another on in Oct. ...oh the joys.....imagine going back cap in hand to the eu after all this....what a thought that is.

Make it 85% that want to leave with a no deal, it doesn't matter. If 4% don't want to leave with a no deal then you can't claim any superiority about the betrayal of the people BS.

Thinking we're so superior that we're above going cap in hand when necessary, is what got us into this mess to begin with. It's not weakness, the EU is not an enemy, and the allusions suggesting as much are facile.

[joeysteele]

The FT have a policy of never asking for resignations. They said BJ should resign this evening.

Really, that's interesting and heartening to hear.
Thanks for that info.

I think morally and with any decency whatsoever.
Any PM past could not survive this unanimous judgement against them today.

So the morally and decent right thing to do would be for Johnson to resign.
As his word is meaningless and he's been proven to act illegally as a Prime Minister.

He should go.
However good morals and decency are not in any shape or form things Johnson possesses.

[The Slim Reaper]

They were promised a deal and we're given a deal......


That's the way the majority will see it in any future vote regarding brexit that the public get in the future, all this bravado is for nothing.

Then you've got nothing to fear from another referendum, based on real information this time.

[The Slim Reaper]

really, that's interesting and heartening to hear.
Thanks for that info.

I think morally and with any decency whatsoever.
Any pm past could not survive this unanimous judgement against them today.

So the morally and decent right thing to do would be for johnson to resign.
As his word is meaningless and he's been proven to act illegally as a prime minister.

He should go.
However good morals and decency are not in any shape or form things johnson possesses.

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[bots]

Remove Boris and we would get someone else from the cabinet, what a joy that would be. There are no easy roads from here

[Twosugars]

What a cluster**** his premiership has been. That must be some record.

Most of it self-inflicted

[Alf]

What a cluster**** his premiership has been. That must be some record.

Most of it self-inflictedIt ain't over until the fat lady sings. Brexit has took so many twist and turns, I still think there's more to come. Tomorrow's a new day.

[Twosugars]

You noticed how he lied today?
When he prorogued he said it was nothing to do with brexit
But in NYC he said having parliament back will make brexit business harder :laugh:
So it was about brexit

Liars need good memory to be convincing, something he lacks

[Kazanne]

Remove Boris and we would get someone else from the cabinet, what a joy that would be. There are no easy roads from here

Its been reported by SKY that the Pms attorney general has said he was not breaking any law to prorogue parliament, The PM asked if it was lawful and was told it was,so in principle he 's broken no law.I think there is only the PM that could deliver this now, who else would want the job ?:wavey:

[bots]

Its been reported by SKY that the Pms attorney general has said he was not breaking any law to prorogue parliament, The PM asked if it was lawful and was told it was,so in principle he 's broken no law.I think there is only the PM that could deliver this now, who else would want the job ?:wavey:

the supreme court have unanimously stated that he broke the law, so he did break the law, it was unlawful. You can't have a government that makes the laws of the country that they expect all to abide by, no ifs no but's, turning round and ignoring the supreme court or saying that they are wrong. The hypocrisy is amazing

[Kazanne]

the supreme court have unanimously stated that he broke the law, so he did break the law, it was unlawful. You can't have a government that makes the laws of the country that they expect all to abide by, no ifs no but's, turning round and ignoring the supreme court or saying that they are wrong. The hypocrisy is amazing

Well surely the attorney general should take some of the blame then ,as the PM asked him if it was lawful,I think we should just have an election now, it's such a farce, and of course no one should purposely break the law.:wavey:

[MTVN]

Well surely the attorney general should take some of the blame then ,as the PM asked him if it was lawful,I think we should just have an election now, it's such a farce, and of course no one should purposely break the law.:wavey:

I think most lawyers probably would have agreed with the AG at the time as did the High Court

The Supreme Court have decreed it unlawful but there's not really any obvious law that has been broken, they've just decided it's an affront to our constitution which itself is not written down anywhere so it's all pretty nebulous. The Supreme Court have effectively set a new law or precedent themselves by making this ruling.

[arista]

The First Cabinet Minister is Live
on SkyNewsHD now Poxy Gove

He was also on Radio4.


Saying "Pause and Reflect"
Prefect Gove MP

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

This has been heard in 3 courts.
2 said he'd been unlawful.

People can twist and turn all they like to try to soften the verdict and defend this indefensible PM.

The judgement, unanimous, was strong and detailed.

It is amazing how because its Johnson and a Con ( aptly titled there) PM.
Excuses are looked for.

No matter which party or PM this was. after this verdict ,
I would be saying they had to resign.

Except for his hard-line admirers,its incredible it can be discounted, he deceieved and acted illegally,( something unlawful is illegal),as to the people, parliament and to the Queen too.

This man, and his advisors cannot and should not be trusted, by people, other MPs and even the Monarch.
Who HE has put in the position of signing something, the law from the highest court in the land has said, she should not have even been told to.

That's a disgrace, from top to bottom.
We have a PM whose word is meaningless, who will abuse the power he's trusted with, ( a breach of trust), and who the supreme court has said has even acted against the law.

Dress it up all you like, those Con hardliners but that's the facts.
Endorsed too by the UKs supreme court.

It was claimed in the referendum, take lawmaking back to the UK.
Stop Europe influencing or dictating to our courts.

This was a totally UK court decision and verdict.

Or does the referendum really have meant have no dictation to our courts and lawmaking, as long as our courts don't come out against the views of those wanting to leave or hard-line Con supported PMs and Con government.

[Kazanne]

I think most lawyers probably would have agreed with the AG at the time as did the High Court

The Supreme Court have decreed it unlawful but there's not really any obvious law that has been broken, they've just decided it's an affront to our constitution which itself is not written down anywhere so it's all pretty nebulous. The Supreme Court have effectively set a new law or precedent themselves by making this ruling.

Some are suggesting because it was an 11-0 verdict the judges were remainers as if it was an unbiased vote you'de have got a at least a couple voting differently, I hope that's not true, as it means we cant trust anyone,but to be honest its hard to now.Apparently John Major tried to do the same thing but it wasn't taken to court, but this time it has:shrug: getting more confused by the day :wavey:

[Vicky.]

Some are suggesting because it was an 11-0 verdict the judges were remainers as if it was an unbiased vote you'de have got a at least a couple voting differently, I hope that's not true, as it means we cant trust anyone,but to be honest its hard to now.Apparently John Major tried to do the same thing but it wasn't taken to court, but this time it has:shrug: getting more confused by the day :wavey:

Anyone suggesting nonsense like that is..well a bit of an idiot tbh. Yeah, 11 supreme court judges were biased and just voted as they want to stop brexit..judges always vote on personal reasons, afterall..

[bots]

Well surely the attorney general should take some of the blame then ,as the PM asked him if it was lawful,I think we should just have an election now, it's such a farce, and of course no one should purposely break the law.:wavey:

remember the previous attorney general, when he was asked to comment on the changes to the back stop, and then loads of people disagreed with his interpretation, and May looked like she could have stabbed him there and then :laugh:

When there is no precedent to fall back on, the law can get very interpretive, thats why they used 11 judges on the supreme court, it could have been much smaller.

For me it's about respect for the law, there are many laws we don't agree with, but as law abiding citizens we abide by the law.

The PM should abide by the law, which he has, and if he wants the population to follow his laws, it's not a good look to try and get around it at every opportunity :laugh:

[arista]

"I would be saying they had to resign."


Joey
Boris does not Care about your view
he is staying as PM.

[bots]

Some are suggesting because it was an 11-0 verdict the judges were remainers as if it was an unbiased vote you'de have got a at least a couple voting differently, I hope that's not true, as it means we cant trust anyone,but to be honest its hard to now.Apparently John Major tried to do the same thing but it wasn't taken to court, but this time it has:shrug: getting more confused by the day :wavey:

have you ever had any dealings with judges? I've had a few encounters and even if you believe in yourself 100%, these people are on a completely different planet and can judge against you. To get 11 judges agreeing on something is a big achievement. Leaving or remaining is a trivial concern to judges, it just doesn't enter into their thought processes, they deal in abstract concepts not real world issues

[joeysteele]

"I would be saying they had to resign."


Joey
Boris does not Care about your view
he is staying as PM.



He doesn't care about anyone's view in my opinion.

I couldn't care a jot if he doesn't care about my views.

I'll put my opinion against him, or any other PM on here however, with or without your approval, thank you.

[arista]

He doesn't care about anyone's view in my opinion.

I couldn't care a jot if he doesn't care about my views.

I'll put my opinion against him, or any other PM on here however, with or without your approval, thank you.



Its Good you have your Own Solid View, Joey.
I just point out the Current Live Real Time News.

He Does care about those that will vote for him
in the General Election

[Liam-]

Its Good you have your Own Solid View, Joey.
I just point out the Current Live Real Time News.

He Does care about those that will vote for him
in the General Election

He’s the Prime Minister, he should care for everyone, not just his backers

[arista]

He’s the Prime Minister, he should care for everyone, not just his backers


No its the General Election
that matters only now


You must Vote Labour

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[Kazanne]

have you ever had any dealings with judges? I've had a few encounters and even if you believe in yourself 100%, these people are on a completely different planet and can judge against you. To get 11 judges agreeing on something is a big achievement. Leaving or remaining is a trivial concern to judges, it just doesn't enter into their thought processes, they deal in abstract concepts not real world issues

I have yes,in the case of Butler Sloss ,she imo caused no end of heartache for the family of a murdered toddler as she thwarted the parents pleas at every turn,and yes Ive been called up for jury service aswell,but they are human and have their beliefs so it does go a long way to how they see things, I know if the case I was on was the murder of lets say a child,I would be wanting them guilty before I ever got into court, you cant change your mind thought, I don't believe judges are any different,they are supposed to be I know,but we are supposed to be a lot of things we are not.Judges are humas like us so will have thoughts on what they want.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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This was played on GMBHD itv
am today.

[Kazanne]

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This was played on GMBHD itv
am today.

Yes saw this,it was funny.

[arista]

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[Twosugars]

But according to johnson prorogation wasnt about brexit

So which one is it? Either he lied again or brexiters are getting their knickers in a twist for nothing :laugh:

[arista]

But according to johnson prorogation wasnt about brexit

So which one is it? Either he lied again or brexiters are getting their knickers in a twist for nothing :laugh:


He is the PM
that's his view

And Dominic Cummings

[arista]

Parliament is now Open


Shut Up Bercow


First Question Poxy SNP Lady
To giant COX

[Twosugars]

He is the PM
that's his view

And Dominic Cummings

But he contradicted himself yesterday by saying parliament will make brexit business harder.
How come if prorogation wasnt about brexit?

[arista]

But he contradicted himself yesterday by saying parliament will make brexit business harder.
How come if prorogation wasnt about brexit?


Sure
but he is not changing his Complex View

[Twosugars]

Sure
but he is not changing his Complex View

:laugh: not complex but contradictory

Can't help lying

[arista]

:laugh: not complex but contradictory

Can't help lying

You can not Call the PM that
he has only had 63 days

He will have Jet Lag
Live in our Parliament
he is not there yet
its The Giant Cox

[arista]

A General Election is Next
Change the pack of cards

[arista]

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Two Sugars ideal Paper Headline

[Kizzy]

There will not be a GE untill no deal is off the table.

[arista]

There will not be a GE untill no deal is off the table.



Yes So Far.

But Cummings has Alternate plans

[Twosugars]

You can not Call the PM that
he has only had 63 days

He will have Jet Lag
Live in our Parliament
he is not there yet
its The Giant Cox

I can call him that bc it is the truth

[joeysteele]

There will not be a GE untill no deal is off the table.

.... and the extensional law request put in place by parliament is secured too.

That's an important part of that law.

Remember this PM said, he'd rather be dead in a ditch, than do that.

That's why NO general election must happen until the extension too is secured.
OR
He presents a deal in around 4 weeks time, which is acceptable to Parliament.

[arista]

I can call him that bc it is the truth

how nice

[Twosugars]

how nice

Not really

He should resign, he is an embarrassment

[Oliver_W]

But he contradicted himself yesterday by saying parliament will make brexit business harder.
How come if prorogation wasnt about brexit?

Two things can be true at once - the prorogation might not have been specifically for Brexit, but it could also have made it easier to get things sorted.

[joeysteele]

Not really

He should resign, he is an embarrassment

He should definitely.

However this PM doesn't even like just using the word sorry, never mind have the decency to resign.
Even after acting unlawfully.

[arista]

Not really

He should resign, he is an embarrassment


Vote Labour in the Next General Election
they need every vote

[Kazanne]

Why are the opposition so afraid of a general election now ? does it not suit their agenda ? If Corbyn and co are so against this PM ,call an election afterall they are so cocksure they are in the right and would win.

[arista]

Why are the opposition so afraid of a general election now ? does it not suit their agenda ? If Corbyn and co are so against this PM ,call an election afterall they are so cocksure they are in the right and would win.


They Claim he will Get No Deal through
on the 31st of October


They do not Trust him

[arista]

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[Kazanne]

They Claim he will Get No Deal through
on the 31st of October


They do not Trust him

And some of us don't trust them,its swings and roundabouts, it needs to be done and dusted,too much fannying around now, so are they scared they will lose again ?

[Twosugars]

No integrity left, brexit is a cult

[Twosugars]

And some of us don't trust them,its swings and roundabouts, it needs to be done and dusted,too much fannying around now, so are they scared they will lose again ?

You can do your dusting at home

[Oliver_W]

What law did be actually break, specifically? I'm not defending him, I barely care, it's just not been specified.

[Kizzy]

It's like groundhog day in there... everyone knows why there can't be a GE yet... Can't risk no deal so what is toby young and Cox so surprised about?
They were having the exact same conversations 3 weeks ago!

[user104658]

It might as well not be open. Endless filibustering and propaganda :idc:

[arista]

It might as well not be open. Endless filibustering and propaganda :idc:



Well Spotted
TS a proud Scot

[joeysteele]

No opposition party wants an election until no deal is off the table and an extension assured.
It's been said hundteds of times.

Even moreso now, since we have a PM who has been found to act unlawfully.

We had an election in 2017 which Labour supported when Labour was supposed to be 20% behind Mrs May's Cons.

No one's frightened of an election.

The fear is this lying PM would use it, to steer the UK to a no deal brexit during it.
If he asks for the extension then he gets an election.
If Johnson really wants one.
Why doesn't HE ask for the extension first.

[joeysteele]

It's like groundhog day in there... everyone knows why there can't be a GE yet... Can't risk no deal so what is toby young and Cox so surprised about?
They were having the exact same conversations 3 weeks ago!

I've tried to explain it again.Kizzy.:wavey:
It's pretty easy to understand isn't it.

[user104658]

I've tried to explain it again.Kizzy.:wavey:
It's pretty easy to understand isn't it.

They understand it fine, they're deliberately recycling conversations to waste time. "Running down the clock" has always been part of the tactic.

[joeysteele]

They understand it fine, they're deliberately recycling conversations to waste time. "Running down the clock" has always been part of the tactic.

Spot on TS.

[arista]

No integrity left, brexit is a cult


Bollocks it loads of Older Folks
Up North.


Brexit scares you........................................

[Alf]

No integrity left, brexit is a cultI wouldn't call it an actually cult, but there's definitely elements in there. People have been brought together through this issue, but I know leavers disagree with each other on a number of different issues. But leaving the EU is non negotiable until the people's decision has been implemented.

[Twosugars]

What law did be actually break, specifically? I'm not defending him, I barely care, it's just not been specified.

Prorogation is not for frustrating parliament business. The court said he had no reason for prorogation

[Twosugars]

Bollocks it loads of Older Folks
Up North.


Brexit scares you........................................

Bc it damages the country

[Tom4784]

No deal brexit should scare anyone who actually understands the ramifications of it. The vast majority of people who want no deal brexit do not know what they are asking for, they don't know that they are basically ****ing themselves over so the elites can get a better tax deal. It's sad.

[arista]

Bc it damages the country


We can get over that,

[Twosugars]

We can get over that,

There no need to inflict it in the first place

[arista]

No deal brexit should scare anyone who actually understands the ramifications of it. The vast majority of people who want no deal brexit do not know what they are asking for, they don't know that they are basically ****ing themselves over so the elites can get a better tax deal. It's sad.


But on the Next General Election
you can Elect Marxist Corbyn.

[arista]

There no need to inflict it in the first place


The PM
has a duty
unlike the Horrible Bitch before him.

[Oliver_W]

No deal brexit should scare anyone who actually understands the ramifications of it. The vast majority of people who want no deal brexit do not know what they are asking for, they don't know that they are basically ****ing themselves over so the elites can get a better tax deal. It's sad.

What are some of the scariest ramifications, in your opinion?

[Twosugars]

A good post on Guardian boards



A Question for "BeLeavers":

How did you come from preaching all of us about parliamentary sovereignty (representing the people)...
to now support giving absolute power to "unelected beaurocrats in No.10" who act like they are above the law?

___________________________________

The game was given away when the charlatan was in his homeland yesterday(sulking with his orange buffoon master) saying that the supreme court ruling is an effort to frustrate Brexit...
Yet government lawyers argued in court that prorogation was nothing to do with Brexit.

I remember the days when Bill Cash gave impassioned speeches in parliament about its sovereignty.
In fact for the past 40 years, he hasn't stop telling us about the powers held by so-called "unelected beaurocrats in Brussels".

Yesterday was another great day for "BeLeavers".
The supreme court upheld what you voted for...parliamentary sovereignty and UK courts ruling on our laws.
"BeLeavers" should be happy as this ruling can not be challenged in the European court of Justice.
There you have it...the ruling of the highest court in our land is final.

[Tom4784]

What are some of the scariest ramifications, in your opinion?

For me, the worst case scenario has always been the destruction of the NHS and a no deal brexit will put it in more danger then it's ever been. You've also got the issue of medical supply shortages being on the more 'Hopeful' outcomes of no deal.

If the NHS goes under because of the stupidity of morons wanting no deal when they won't pay heed to the damage it causes because they'd rather focus on false hope instead of reality then I'll never forgive them and I'd want every single ****ing one of them named and shamed for aiding in the destruction of our greatest strength.

[Niamh.]

What are some of the scariest ramifications, in your opinion?

A return to violence in NI and possibly the UK mainland and the ROI

[Tom4784]

A return to violence in NI and possibly the UK mainland and the ROI

Widespread riots and violence was predicted by the Yellowhammer papers, if I remember right. Medical shortages will be a given too.

All of this carnage is something people who cry for No Deal are willing to accept as long as they get a sense of victory from it.

[joeysteele]

A return to violence in NI and possibly the UK mainland and the ROI

That's a really major concern.
Which seems to either be overlooked or dismissed by those clamouring for no deal.

This wasn't mentioned enough in the referendum.
Which really is, no matter how anyone looks at it, is shocking.

With the fears of any return to violence and even the slightest possible concern as to the preservation of the Good Friday agreement.
If there was ever just ONE single reason to go back to the UK voters or stop brexit altogether.
The N Ireland and safety too of the Republic of Ireland issue should be that paramount reason.

[arista]

A return to violence in NI and possibly the UK mainland and the ROI


Is it there not already
there.

[Twosugars]

Gove claims the automotive sector is ready for no deal but
TWO days ago automotive lobby chief Hawes said in a press release: "A ‘no deal’ Brexit would have an immediate and devastating impact on the industry, undermining competitiveness and causing irreversible and severe damage... risks destroying this vital pillar of our economies.”

Jesus wept

[Beso]

A return to violence...I think that happened the day the young journalist got shot../murdered.

[Niamh.]

Is it there not already
there.

A return to violence...I think that happened the day the young journalist got shot../murdered.

You don't think it will get worse though when/if borders go up? But of course in this situation even if they decide to put the border in the sea, you will have the loyalist side unhappy and probably violence from there. It will be very hard to please both

[arista]

You don't think it will get worse though when/if borders go up? But of course in this situation even if they decide to put the border in the sea, you will have the loyalist side unhappy and probably violence from there. It will be very hard to please both

We are not Putting Up Any Poxy Borders

[Niamh.]

We are not Putting Up Any Poxy Borders

How can there not be borders if you leave the EU though? I don't understand that

[Oliver_W]

What borders are there between EU and non-EU countries on the continent?

[Niamh.]

What borders are there between EU and non-EU countries on the continent?

What do you mean? What countries have borders or what do they consist of? Customs control and passport control, I assume?

[Oliver_W]

What do you mean? What countries have borders or what do they consist of? Customs control and passport control, I assume?
I could have sworn I heard that this would be waived for within the "island of Ireland" ? Having these in place would be fine for travel between Ireland and GB.

[arista]

How can there not be borders if you leave the EU though? I don't understand that


Its under a New Plan
to be announced , later.

[Niamh.]

I could have sworn I heard that this would be waived for within the "island of Ireland" ? Having these in place would be fine for travel between Ireland and GB.

I don't think anything like that has been agreed on yet

Its under a New Plan
to be announced , later.

I hope so Arista and I hope it's a good one

[jet]

What borders are there between EU and non-EU countries on the continent?

I was reading about this earlier:
Although potentially you're subject to passport checks and searches of your person and vehicle upon crossing a border, often you can zip across the borders of Northern European countries without even slowing down. Most countries in western Europe have signed the so called Schengen treaty, leading to open borders.

Currently, the Schengen area consists of 26 European countries (of which 22 are EU states): Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Germany, Estonia, Greece, Spain, France, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Hungary, Malta, Netherlands, Austria, Poland, Portugal, Slovenia, Slovakia, Finland and Sweden, along with Iceland ...

[Niamh.]

I was reading about this earlier:
Although potentially you're subject to passport checks and searches of your person and vehicle upon crossing a border, often you can zip across the borders of Northern European countries without even slowing down. Most countries in western Europe have signed the so called Schengen treaty, leading to open borders.

Currently, the Schengen area consists of 26 European countries (of which 22 are EU states): Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Germany, Estonia, Greece, Spain, France, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Hungary, Malta, Netherlands, Austria, Poland, Portugal, Slovenia, Slovakia, Finland and Sweden, along with Iceland ...

Custom controls still apply within the Schengen Area

[The Slim Reaper]

Its under a New Plan
to be announced , later.

That's your answer to everything to do with this mess.

Benn bill passes

You: they have a new plan

BJ told he can't prorogue parliament

You: there is a new plan

Borders

You: a new plan

It would be actually quite funny if the whole mess wasn't so screwed up.

[arista]

"BJ told he can't prorogue parliament"
at the moment , sure.


GiantCox MP Shouted out today Parliament Is Dead

[Beso]

Its under a New Plan
to be announced , later.

The border will be in the sea.

[The Slim Reaper]

"BJ told he can't prorogue parliament"
at the moment , sure.


GiantCox MP Shouted out today Parliament Is Dead

More cunning plans than Baldrick.

[Twosugars]

The border will be in the sea.

EU are happy with that but DUP and erg are not

[Twosugars]

I was reading about this earlier:
Although potentially you're subject to passport checks and searches of your person and vehicle upon crossing a border, often you can zip across the borders of Northern European countries without even slowing down. Most countries in western Europe have signed the so called Schengen treaty, leading to open borders.

Currently, the Schengen area consists of 26 European countries (of which 22 are EU states): Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Germany, Estonia, Greece, Spain, France, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Hungary, Malta, Netherlands, Austria, Poland, Portugal, Slovenia, Slovakia, Finland and Sweden, along with Iceland ...

:laugh:
UK was out of schengen in the eu, it's mad to think they will join now

I can count only 2 non eu states on that list
Austria and iceland are both in the single market
So that's out unless we have soft brexit

[arista]

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[Twosugars]

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This guy is ****ing mad.
Not good for a lawyer

This parliament is less than two years old, prorogation never happened
Unless he thinks the supreme court is not a court

He should resign now

[arista]

1176846756337922049

[arista]

This guy is ****ing mad.
Not good for a lawyer

This parliament is less than two years old, prorogation never happened
Unless he thinks the supreme court is not a court


He is a bit Angry
And he is a Giant Fella

[Alf]

1176846756337922049That's brilliant, well said that man.

[Twosugars]

Cox is being thick.

If cons had an honorable and trustworthy pm hed get elections tomorrow

Nobody trusts the lying clown

[arista]

The PM is Live around
6:30PM

He "may" bring in his own No Confidence Vote
Possible General Election.
Run Down a 14 day clock

[arista]

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[Oliver_W]

When is PMQs back, is it week after next?

I miss it, I used to watch it live with my gran before I got my current job, and she learned iPlayer so she can play it on catchup when I go round :p

[arista]

When is PMQs back, is it week after next?

I miss it, I used to watch it live with my gran before I got my current job, and she learned iPlayer so she can play it on catchup when I go round :p



Yes it may be then.
Unless Johnson Calls his own Election
via his own No Confidence

[arista]

Johnson PM Is Live Now in Parliament


3YLudblJAYE

[arista]

Now Its the Labour Leader Shouting.

[arista]

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This was AM today

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFUkIK1W4AYVvzI?format=jpg&name=small

He Is Live in Parliament Now

[Alf]

Boris, offering them all out on the other side of the house. "come on then, come on!" with hand gestures.

Brilliant.

[Alf]

Am I alone in loving the times we're living in? We're living through a major stage in history in the UK, and it's only just getting started. Exciting times ahead.

Great days.

[Beso]

Well said hen...

[Beso]

Sit down jess Philips.

[Beso]

Paula sheriff...sit down you idiot.

[Beso]

Speaker keeping it calm...good man.

[Beso]

The surrender act...Boris is spot on.

[Beso]

Ooo, disgusting. . Lol

The things you hear.

[Beso]

Well said Vicky from Chelmsford.

[Beso]

The labour benches shut up shouting disgust at Boris when he mentioned having an election...lol.

[Oliver_W]

Does this happen daily, or only during "events"? It's basically the same as PMQs

[joeysteele]

I really think this PM suffers a mental block.
His rhetoric, his delivery, ranting like a madman.

He just seems unable to listen.
Shocking display from him.

[joeysteele]

Rory Stewart talking total sense again.

[Beso]

All the women are having a right pop at Boris

[Beso]

Put them round Boris. ..hug them tight.

[Beso]

Stephan metcalf. ..get back to east Thurrock and clean up the litter.

[Beso]

Tracey...well said .he should.

[Beso]

Good answer though..

[Twosugars]

Put them round Boris. ..hug them tight.

Nobody wants to feel his little todger poking from under the rolls of fat

[Beso]

Nobody wants to feel his little todger poking from under the rolls of fat

:joker:

I could name at least 3 tibb members who wouldn't complain.:hee:

[Beso]

Boris describing himself with his aesop fable tale. About the plucking of the hair....idiot.

[Beso]

Jezza is back.

[Beso]

Mahria black...miss militant. ..sit down.

[Beso]

Snp trying to muscle in now..imagine all the 2nd homes or hotels tonight...check those expenses.

[Beso]

Watching all this live on bbc parliament..Im seeing a lot of unattended bags...



Should I phone the police?


They do have signs about that as you go into the main chamber

[Withano]

Am I alone in loving the times we're living in? We're living through a major stage in history in the UK, and it's only just getting started. Exciting times ahead.

Great days.

The next generation are gonna think we’re all thick as **** when they learn about us in History.

[Tom4784]

The next generation are gonna think we’re all thick as **** when they learn about us in History.

I think this period of time should be and will be known as the age of stupidity. We have people in power refuting scientific fact, we have parents all over the world believing in hocus pocus over medical science for their children and we have people in power like Trump, Bolsonero and Boris who will gladly lead us all to ruin because of their rampant narcissism.

We are more advanced than Humanity has ever been and we've become incredibly stupid for it.

[arista]

"rampant narcissism."


Sign Of The Times

[arista]

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[arista]

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https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/6000/production/_108967542_telegraph-26-sep.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/A52E/production/_108968224_mirror-26-sep.jpg

[arista]

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https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11A5E/production/_108968227_express-26-sep.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/1416E/production/_108968228_times-26-sep.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/0CD6/production/_108968230_financial-times-26-sep.jpg

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFVB0P2W4AA12a1?format=jpg&name=small

[Kizzy]

I think this period of time should be and will be known as the age of stupidity. We have people in power refuting scientific fact, we have parents all over the world believing in hocus pocus over medical science for their children and we have people in power like Trump, Bolsonero and Boris who will gladly lead us all to ruin because of their rampant narcissism.

We are more advanced than Humanity has ever been and we've become incredibly stupid for it.

I agree but I'd say it's the age of ignorance.people are being kept in the dark about things but theyre happy about it, they don't want to know!

[bots]

i think the biggest lesson for us all is that democracy is a very tenuous thing. For decades we have just assumed that once a country became a democracy it required no further maintenance. Across the world we are losing democratic principles on a daily basis and each and every one of us is responsible in some way for allowing it to happen.

[arista]

i think the biggest lesson for us all is that democracy is a very tenuous thing. For decades we have just assumed that once a country became a democracy it required no further maintenance. Across the world we are losing democratic principles on a daily basis and each and every one of us is responsible in some way for allowing it to happen.


Yes , regarding last nights
Live Parliament, you can not
Blame the PM
The Labour MP's Dragged Jo Cox's name
up first.

The Poxy BBC AM is making the
word "Surrender" as the main problem.


Humbug

[Kizzy]

Yes , regarding last nights
Live Parliament, you can not
Blame the PM
The Labour MP's Dragged Jo Cox's name
up first.

The Poxy BBC AM is making the
word "Surrender" as the main problem.


Humbug
That's because it is! ... why can't Jo Cox be mentioned she is entirely relevant here, they are also worried for their lives!

This is why democracy fails because people make excuses for autocrats.

[user104658]

I think this period of time should be and will be known as the age of stupidity. We have people in power refuting scientific fact, we have parents all over the world believing in hocus pocus over medical science for their children and we have people in power like Trump, Bolsonero and Boris who will gladly lead us all to ruin because of their rampant narcissism.

We are more advanced than Humanity has ever been and we've become incredibly stupid for it.I agree but I'd say it's the age of ignorance.people are being kept in the dark about things but theyre happy about it, they don't want to know!I agree and disagree with you both. It's the age of confusion and selective ignorance. People are no more stupid than they have ever been (i.e. on average, quite stupid) and they are also not being "kept" in the dark: more information is readily available than at any other time in history. But it's the deluge of available information combined with limited capacity to process that information that's causing the problems. Rejection of "experts", avoidance of the facts and figures, "don't hit me with more information pls just let me go with how I *feel*. This FEELS right to me, I FEEL angry, I FEEL scared and none of your pesky facts, expert opinions or reasonable logic will change that."

The Information Age is causing people to feel swamped by too much information and so there's a huge, instinctive societal lurch "back to safety". The safety of regressing to "simpler times". The safety in numbers of rampant tribalism and group-think. One "side" tearing at the throat of the other never realising that its all the same.

[arista]

That's because it is! ... why can't Jo Cox be mentioned she is entirely relevant here, they are also worried for their lives!

This is why democracy fails because people make excuses for autocrats.


Because, It has nothing to do with this PM.
Her Death was under David Cameron's
leadership.

[Kizzy]

I agree and disagree with you both. It's the age of confusion and selective ignorance. People are no more stupid than they have ever been (i.e. on average, quite stupid) and they are also not being "kept" in the dark: more information is readily available than at any other time in history. But it's the deluge of available information combined with limited capacity to process that information that's causing the problems. Rejection of "experts", avoidance of the facts and figures, "don't hit me with more information pls just let me go with how I *feel*. This FEELS right to me, I FEEL angry, I FEEL scared and none of your pesky facts, expert opinions or reasonable logic will change that."

The Information Age is causing people to feel swamped by too much information and so there's a huge, instinctive societal lurch "back to safety". The safety of regressing to "simpler times". The safety in numbers of rampant tribalism and group-think. One "side" tearing at the throat of the other never realising that its all the same.

I don't believe that...people are not stupid, there are stupid people don't get me wrong that are media controlled that is the modern day groupthink. It's very effective.

Modern day politicIans are pushing how far they can take this, with their rejection of experts insisting all faith is placed in the establishment it ensures most are kept ignorant.

AI is a jolly tool, now they don't even have to speak to the masses, targetted soundbites will worm into their Facebook, Twitter and psyche.

On average people are kept too busy to research or consult history so it's easier to accept the general consensus..it must be right because thats what everyone is saying...right?

[Kizzy]

Because, It has nothing to do with this PM.
Her Death was under David Cameron's
leadership.

That's irrelevant, the conditions and the political climate are the same if not worse. They are being threatened and there's nothing to suggest what happened couldn't happen again.

[bots]

May held a public conference and stated that it was MP's fault that no deal had been agreed inciting a people vs parliament rhetoric, but pitched from the opposite side to Boris

Parliament has always been a hot bed for argument, that's it's purpose. Has anyone listened to the language used by opposition parties? Undermining the government of the day at every possible turn. We can argue the rights and wrongs of it all we want, but the fact is, all sides in parliament are guilty of inciting division. He who casts the first stone and all that

They should all dial it back a bit, start debating in calm terms, we won't get a consensus without that.

[Kizzy]

May held a public conference and stated that it was MP's fault that no deal had been agreed inciting a people vs parliament rhetoric, but pitched from the opposite side to Boris

Parliament has always been a hot bed for argument, that's it's purpose. Has anyone listened to the language used by opposition parties? Undermining the government of the day at every possible turn. We can argue the rights and wrongs of it all we want, but the fact is, all sides in parliament are guilty of inciting division. He who casts the first stone and all that

They should all dial it back a bit, start debating in calm terms, we won't get a consensus without that.

It's called debate..it's kind of why they're all there :/ as long as it remains within parameters, and that's the speakers job to ensure it does, then parliament is effective.

I can't recall any other time that a prime minister has had his conduct and language questioned like this, however you try to normalise it.. it isn't normal.

At this point any deal is irrelevant, whether voted for or not by whichever side. This issue concerning the PM that is corrupting parliament has to be addressed first.

[Kazanne]

Yes , regarding last nights
Live Parliament, you can not
Blame the PM
The Labour MP's Dragged Jo Cox's name
up first.

The Poxy BBC AM is making the
word "Surrender" as the main problem.


Humbug

Yes who was that screeching woman ? who brought Jo Cox into this disgraceful,she seems to have got off lightly and aren't the haters loving how the press are spinning this,lol, never heard such a load of humbug:wavey:

[Kizzy]

I can't imagine how stressful it would be to receive death threats.. could you imagine that happening in anyone else's place of work, when a college a few years ago had been killes following threats?
But your managers reaction was 'humbug'?

I can't even....

[Kazanne]

I can't imagine how stressful it would be to receive death threats.. could you imagine that happening in anyone else's place of work, when a college a few years ago had been killes following threats?
But your managers reaction was 'humbug'?

I can't even....

Its not nice,not even to be hinted at being threatened,believe me I know and from someone who hadn't really got their facts right.

[Alf]

I can't imagine how stressful it would be to receive death threats.. could you imagine that happening in anyone else's place of work, when a college a few years ago had been killes following threats?
But your managers reaction was 'humbug'?

I can't even....I agree with Bozza, Humbug.

[Kizzy]

I agree with Bozza, Humbug.

Nowhere near surprised.

[arista]

Parliament is on again
Corbyn is there
but not JohnsonPM Live

[joeysteele]

Parliament is on again
Corbyn is there
but not JohnsonPM Live

No surprise he isn't there then.

[arista]

No surprise he isn't there then.



He has to meetings
already set up.

[Vicky.]

I really think they should make it a requirement that MPs HAVE to be there. For ****s sake, its a large part of their job and they can just ignore it if they chose to...when important votes are going on too, it seems the place is bloody empty sometimes :bored:

[joeysteele]

Yes who was that screeching woman ? who brought Jo Cox into this disgraceful,she seems to have got off lightly and aren't the haters loving how the press are spinning this,lol, never heard such a load of humbug:wavey:

A close friend of Jo Cox.
Would you not stand up to prevent something happening to any friend of yours, if you'd had a close friend murdered brutally.

I actually fooled myself to think that's something you'd have had strong empathy with.
How badly wrong I was there.

In light of your great and right endless campaign of a brutal murder you know about.
With the outage you rightly still feel now.
In fact I get furious on that murder too.
It was evil.

I mention Jo Cox too, I canvassed wih her in elections.
I fear hearing from other MPs, and the threats they are getting now.
I fear another MP could be murdered and inflammatory language could hasten that.

[arista]

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[Kazanne]

A close friend of Jo Cox.
Would you not stand up to prevent something happening to any friend of yours, if you'd had a close friend murdered brutally.

I actually fooled myself to think that's something you'd have had strong empathy with.
How badly wrong I was there.

In light of your great and right endless campaign of a brutal murder you know about.
With the outage you rightly still feel now.
In fact I get furious on that murder too.
It was evil.

I mention Jo Cox too, I canvassed wih her in elections.
I fear hearing from other MPs, and the threats they are getting now.
I fear another MP could be murdered and inflammatory language could hasten that.

Of course her murder was horrendous Joey,no one is denying that ,Its not fair that you seem to be implying that I don't care as I care about many things and murder is one of them, however from what I saw it was that woman who first brought Jo Cox into the debate,she didn't need to and I doubt when you have spoken about her it was to score points , anyway ,she seems to have gotten off with it and all the blame firmly laid at the PM, even the media are doing it, just seems pretty unfair to me that she was brought into it at all.and can I add it is that murder you speak about that I haven't much time for the EU as they overturned the sentence for those boys that Michael Howard had set to 15 years they got 8 in a institution ,not jail, and one keeps reoffending.

[Kizzy]

Why didn't she need to? ... Tracy Brabin who took Batley and Spen filowing the murder made the first heartfelt plea... everyone was thinking along the same lines, we're getting threatened, what if?... And they are perfectly right to question whether the pms words are inciting hatred, as Jess Phillips found out this morning they are!

So why is it wrong?

[Alf]

Why didn't she need to? ... Tracy Brabin who took Batley and Spen filowing the murder made the first heartfelt plea... everyone was thinking along the same lines, we're getting threatened, what if?... And they are perfectly right to question whether the pms words are inciting hatred, as Jess Phillips found out this morning they are!

So why is it wrong?Didn't she used to go out with Terry Duckworth? and live at Jack and Vera's?

Them Duckworth's have never been trustworthy.

[joeysteele]

Of course her murder was horrendous Joey,no one is denying that ,Its not fair that you seem to be implying that I don't care as I care about many things and murder is one of them, however from what I saw it was that woman who first brought Jo Cox into the debate,she didn't need to and I doubt when you have spoken about her it was to score points , anyway ,she seems to have gotten off with it and all the blame firmly laid at the PM, even the media are doing it, just seems pretty unfair to me that she was brought into it at all.


I honestly do not understand you at all now, sorry.

She was talking in the context of dangerous inflammatory language that has been repeated in threats and death threats to MPs, mainly Female ones.

One example sadly of what can happen from fuelling hate and descriptive divisive terminology.
Was that murder of Jo Cox.
Paula was only highlighting the danger of what can result from that.

How on earth could Jo not have been mentioned in that.

Honestly.
Really Kazanne, whenever I talk to anyone and thankfully most Con supporters I talk to don't think as you do.
Even they say, we must never forget what happened to Jo.
Because it could happen to any MP from any Party now.
I often express my fears for MPs and not only MPs and mention Jo loads.
As someone who canvasses, I fear for myself too.
Just even delivering leaflets.

I have the thought of what happened to Jo always in my mind.
Knowing at present any political activity has risks.

I've had traitor said to me for just saying I'd still vote remain.
That MP you deride so easily, and others in all Parties, also have fears.

Even Jo Swinson stated last night.
She'd reported a death threat against her child to the Police.
That's how bad it is.

It's not humerous in the slightest.

[Twosugars]

Well said Joey:clap1:

[Kazanne]

I honestly do not understand you at all now, sorry.

She was talking in the context of dangerous inflammatory language that has been repeated in threats and death threats to MPs, mainly Female ones.

One example sadly of what can happen from fuelling hate and descriptive divisive terminology.
Was that murder of Jo Cox.
Paula was only highlighting the danger of what can result from that.

How on earth could Jo not have been mentioned in that.

Honestly.
Really Kazanne, whenever I talk to anyone and thankfully most Con supporters I talk to don't think as you do.
Even they say, we must never forget what happened to Jo.
Because it could happen to any MP from any Party now.
I often express my fears for MPs and not only MPs and mention Jo loads.
As someone who canvasses, I fear for myself too.
Just even delivering leaflets.

I have the thought of what happened to Jo always in my mind.
Knowing at present any political activity has risks.

I've had traitor said to me for just saying I'd still vote remain.
That MP you deride so easily, and others in all Parties, also have fears.

Even Jo Swinson stated last night.
She'd reported a death threat against her child to the Police.
That's how bad it is.

It's not humerous in the slightest.

I have NEVER said it was humerous Joey, of course we all know its not, but they could have put their points across without bringing Jo Cox up,it was inflammatory and they knew it , she was quite hysterical,no one wants her forgotten but surely this is not the way, fyi I think Boris shouldn't have mentioned her either but I do think the blame is aimed at him when it should be aimed at any of them using her murder.

[arista]

Katy Balls
Deputy Editor
on All Out Politics SkyNewsHD 09:28AM
confirmed Johnson PM has a Secret Plan
to leave the EU on the 31st October 2019.

[arista]

MP's are voting Right Now
a Recess until next Thursday
for the Conservative Conference.

[arista]

289 Yes
306 No


[MPs have voted against allowing a parliamentary recess
for the Conservative Party conference.
For: 289
Against: 306]



So Lost the Vote
still set to have the Manchester Conservative Conference
starting Saturday

[joeysteele]

I have NEVER said it was humerous Joey, of course we all know its not, but they could have put their points across without bringing Jo Cox up,it was inflammatory and they knew it , she was quite hysterical,no one wants her forgotten but surely this is not the way, fyi I think Boris shouldn't have mentioned her either but I do think the blame is aimed at him when it should be aimed at any of them using her murder.



We'll never agree.
I give up.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFYZsCGXUAA5VSH?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Debate Live In Parliament Now until 5PM.
Principles Of Democracy Debate
which about making sure everyone has Voter ID.

Not many MP's there/

[The Slim Reaper]

Debate Live In Parliament Now until 5PM.
Principles Of Democracy Debate
which about making sure everyone has Voter ID.

Not many MP's there/

Copying the US model of trying to prevent as many people voting as possible.

[arista]

Copying the US model of trying to prevent as many people voting as possible.


No MP's have stated
Corruption with Voting


Ref: Steve Baker MP
Sammy Wilson DUP

[Twosugars]

Johnson record gets even worse after losing another vote in parliament

[arista]

Johnson record gets even worse after losing another vote in parliament


Sure.
Manchester Conference
will now have Johnson PM Speech Monday or Tuesday.

He should be back for Weds PMQ's

Ref: Sam Coates , SkyNewsHD

[The Slim Reaper]

No MP's have stated
Corruption with Voting


Ref: Steve Baker MP
Sammy Wilson DUP

In 2018, there was 1 conviction for voter fraud, and 8 who accepted cautions.
In 2017, there was 1 conviction and 2 cautions.

There is no wide scale corruption on any side.

[arista]

In 2018, there was 1 conviction for voter fraud, and 8 who accepted cautions.
In 2017, there was 1 conviction and 2 cautions.

There is no wide scale corruption on any side.


No Steve Baker said his was 2015

And Sammy DUP said Sinn Fein
Corrupted loads of Votes

[The Slim Reaper]

No Steve Baker said his was 2015

And Sammy DUP said Sinn Fein
Corrupted loads of Votes

Saying it doesn't make it true unless it can be backed with evidence. Is this just for the fraudulent Irish?

[arista]

Saying it doesn't make it true unless it can be backed with evidence. Is this just for the fraudulent Irish?


Steve Baker MP
confirmed in 2015
the Corrupt Voter was arrested

[joeysteele]

I wouldn't believe much of anything anyone from the extreme DUP state.

[The Slim Reaper]

Steve Baker MP
confirmed in 2015
the Corrupt Voter was arrested

So are they trying to introduce voter ID on the back of 1 instance 4 years ago?
Genuinely asking, as I haven't seen much about this.

[arista]

So are they trying to introduce voter ID on the back of 1 instance 4 years ago?
Genuinely asking, as I haven't seen much about this.


Its to come later.

[Kizzy]

Debate Live In Parliament Now until 5PM.
Principles Of Democracy Debate
which about making sure everyone has Voter ID.

Not many MP's there/

Trying to rig the up coming election are they now? Not everyone has formal ID do they?

[Vicky.]

Stupid suggestion, given voter fraud is...well pretty much a non existant problem.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Niamh.]

1177214043687399424

Bloody hell, even his family are hanging him out to dry

[The Slim Reaper]

Bloody hell, even his family are hanging him out to dry

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/09/11/brexit-disaster-capitalism-8-billion-bet-on-no-deal-crash-out-by-boris-johnsons-leave-backers/

This is what she is referencing.

He's completely corrupted. There is absolutely no need to force us out without a deal next month, when he knows it's against the interests of the everyone apart from the super wealthy with sinister motives.

[Kizzy]

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/09/11/brexit-disaster-capitalism-8-billion-bet-on-no-deal-crash-out-by-boris-johnsons-leave-backers/

This is what she is referencing.

He's completely corrupted. There is absolutely no need to force us out without a deal next month, when he knows it's against the interests of the everyone apart from the super wealthy with sinister motives.

Told yall so... :idc:

[arista]

Parliament has now Closed

Hardly any were in there.

Why bother having it Open , again...........................

[arista]

Trying to rig the up coming election are they now? Not everyone has formal ID do they?


No it would be a new item
posted to you

[Vicky.]

1177214043687399424

Wow..

Not surprising in all honesty..those with loads of cash and profit to be made do control everything, but still shocked a little

[Twosugars]

Colour me unsurprised

All those believing the lies ... tragic

[arista]

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[Twosugars]

Arista does your company have a financial interest in no deal brexit?

[Alf]

1177275524856602632My MP Karl Turner.

We voted to leave in my constituancy, and he's paid to represent us, he doesn't want to leave.

[joeysteele]

Of course her murder was horrendous Joey,no one is denying that ,Its not fair that you seem to be implying that I don't care as I care about many things and murder is one of them, however from what I saw it was that woman who first brought Jo Cox into the debate,she didn't need to and I doubt when you have spoken about her it was to score points , anyway ,she seems to have gotten off with it and all the blame firmly laid at the PM, even the media are doing it, just seems pretty unfair to me that she was brought into it at all.and can I add it is that murder you speak about that I haven't much time for the EU as they overturned the sentence for those boys that Michael Howard had set to 15 years they got 8 in a institution ,not jail, and one keeps reoffending.


I think you'll find it was the European court of human rights, which ruled on the Bulger case.
The ECHR is not the EU court.


The ECHR we have been signed up to since the 50s..
Over 40 Nations are signed up to it.
Even Russia I think.
We'd still be in that when we leave the EU.
We were in it, even before joining the Common Market in the 70s


The EU court, is the European court of justice.
Of which only EU members are part of and subject to.
That's the one we would leave.