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[Stu]

Originally posted by Redmond
Poster for No Way Out has been released:

http://www.cramtech.net/nwo08.jpg

Good to see Jeff getting a decent push.

Fear Factor , anyone?

[Dan_]

Vince McMahon soundboard making prank calls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeQcvotxK9M

[Ruth*Star]

LMAO!!! That Vince soundboard is soooo funny.
The first girl probably thought it was actually him.

[Sarah.]

lol that was funny!

I read Batistas book a few days ago and I gotta say i changed my mind about him.. =O
And i'm reading Jerichos book now, it's fxcking awwesome! :tongue:

[Dan_]

Here's a Damien Demento one, calling some angry nerd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIHToXDgtDE

[Stu]

Originally posted by mrs_rko
lol that was funny!

I read Batistas book a few days ago and I gotta say i changed my mind about him.. =O
And i'm reading Jerichos book now, it's fxcking awwesome! :tongue:
Batistas book was a bit rubbish to be honest. It was too short and was hardly interesting enough to warrant its price tag. Perhaps if it had been written 5 years from now , their would be mroe to fill the pages. It also sounded as if Batista was repeating himself throughout the book to convince the readers he was not a bad guy.

I have not read Jerichos book yet but I CANT WAIT to read it.

[Sarah.]

I know what you mean, he constantly stuck up for himself and put the blame onto others. He wrote as if he knows he's a great wrestler but he's not all that good, but I used to really despise but I guess after reading i'll stop the hating because he isn't THAT bad.
I thought it was interesting but I have to say Jerichos book is 100x better, it focuses more on his journey to become a wrestler than feeling sorry for himself throughout his childhood, like Tista.

[Sarah.]

WHERE HAS RANDY'S HAIR GONE?!:bawling:

[Ruth*Star]

Hes had a hair cut, i think hes still droolworthy but, he kinda looked HOTTER with his hair.

[Sarah.]

It's absolutely terrribbbble, i wish he'd stop cutting it like every damn week!

[Ruth*Star]

WWE Diva Ashley Massaro made her return to WWE last night at a WWE RAW house show in White Plains, New York. Ashley Massaro addressed the crowd and word backstage is that she will be moving to the WWE RAW brand.

Source:Pwmania

YEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!! I'm so happy after reading that, not long untill shes back now


:)

[Sarah.]

:bawling:
no offense, i just really don't like her.

[Vixen99999]

Wrestlezone.com

John Cena Starring In New WWE Film '12 Rounds' - Details
01/11/2008 by Ryan Clark

Former WWE Champion John Cena will be starring in WWE Films' next big project. The movie is called "12 Rounds" and it starts filming on 2/25 in New Orleans. Cena starred in the company's most successful feature to date, "The Marine."

Here's a synopsis: Detective Danny Baxter (Cena) is about to have the worst day of his life when an evil crime lord kidnaps his girlfriend and forces him to go "12 Rounds" around the streets of New Orleans.

The film was written by Dan Kunk and will be directed by Renny Harlin (Die Hard 2, Nightmare on Elm Street 4). It's set to be released on September 5th, 2008.

[Sarah.]

Wow, all of Cena's girlfriends get kidnapped in his films.

[Ruth*Star]

^Yeah thats what i was thinking, he must like staring in movies where his girlfriends get kidnapped.

[Vixen99999]

Gerweck.net

Cena to start filming next movie this month
Steve Gerweck - Saturday, January 12 2008 - 12:48 PM

There has been a lot of talk lately about the new WWE Films movie which should be start filming at the end of this month in New Orleans, LA. Titled '12 Rounds', the movie features John Cena in the leading role and is directed by Renny Harlin, the same man who directed movies such as Deep Blue Sea, Cliffhanger and Die Hard 2. The plot is about a detective - played by Cena - whose girlfriend is kidnapped by a crime lord and forces him to go to twelve rounds around the streets of New Orleans to get her back. Yeah, in The Marine, Cena's girlfriend also gets kidnapped! Midnight Sun Pictures and The Mark Gordon Company along with WWE Films are the production companies and FOX Atomic will be distributing. While Cena's first film was the most successful for WWE, this movie will be going straight to DVD when it is released. With John Cena out for a few more months with his arm injury it made perfect sense to film this movie while he's not having a wrestling schedule at the same time. (thanks to Colin Vassallo)

[Sarah.]

We don't want Cena news, we had enough of it when Amy was here :tongue:

[Vixen99999]

Hmmm isnt this a wrestling thread?. And John Cena is a wrestler so he should be part of this thread. So really his news goes in here :tongue:.

[Dan_]

Hopefully he'll follow The Rock into being a full-time movie star.

[Sarah.]

Originally posted by Vixen
Hmmm isnt this a wrestling thread?. And John Cena is a wrestler so he should be part of this thread. So really his news goes in here :tongue:.

Ask the people who visit this thread if they care about Cena or not?
:bigsmile:

[Sarah.]

Okay as we are on the subject of Cena, he's getting married, did you know?
Poor fan girls!!!!! :tongue:

[Dan_]

Originally posted by mrs_rko
Okay as we are on the subject of Cena, he's getting married, did you know?
Poor fan girls!!!!! :tongue:

Poor old Amy's dreams will be shattered.His future wife may get a stalker :whistle:

[Ruth*Star]

lol....Amy must be so upset knowing cenas getting married.
I'm, happy for him though.

[Vixen99999]

Cena is not getting married. Its just a false rumour doing the rounds. Reports are saying he is getting married to his long term girlfriend Liz but this cant be true as they broke up years ago. I know that for a fact. All the fan girls can breath a sigh of relief now.

Cena wont do a Rock and go to Hollywood. He loves wrestling and is here to stay :tongue:.

[Redmond]

WWE have signed Ron 'The Truth' Killings (2 time TNA World Champion and formley known as K-Kwik in the WWE).

WWE have also signed 'Wildcat' Chris Harris, multiple time TNA Tag Team Champion with America's Most Wanted.

WWE have also re-signed Big Show.

This is all from Dave Meltzer, and is pretty much confirmed.

[Sarah.]

Originally posted by Vixen
Cena is not getting married. Its just a false rumour doing the rounds. Reports are saying he is getting married to his long term girlfriend Liz but this cant be true as they broke up years ago. I know that for a fact. All the fan girls can breath a sigh of relief now.

Cena wont do a Rock and go to Hollywood. He loves wrestling and is here to stay :tongue:.

Would you like pictures to prove otherwise? =D
Hey, we've missed you......

[Vixen99999]

Originally posted by mrs_rko

Would you like pictures to prove otherwise? =D
Hey, we've missed you......

I have seen the suppose photos and there not recent.

http://www.slide.com/r/INZhXUXGkD-D2YYmoKqVo9e2u_bHMqYk?view=large
^
These photos were taken years ago when Cena first got engaged to Liz which didnt last long as now they have split up. Someone silly has altered the date on the photos to make it seem like it was recent but it isnt. Cena is still a free man :tongue:.

Who are you saying that to???. I dont know you.

[Vixen99999]

Just to add to the false engagement rumour look at this link. In these photos it shows Cena at Thanks giving/Christmas/ New Year 2007 last year with his family but where is his sling from his injury???. And in these photos Liz is wearing the ring. Now this seems odd as Cena should be wearing his sling from his surgery but he seems perfectly well there which makes it look even more obvious that this so called engagement was years ago as if he was engaged right now then he would be wearing his sling but he isnt. So its all false rumours going around. I rest my case.

http://www.slide.com/r/5jW6bjgL5T_1KdDi5axDXCCyxYw3lwhd?view=large

[Sarah.]

Someone has done their research, and someone is really trying to convince themselves that Cena is single and waiting for you.
:bigsmile:

Go easy on the stalking.

[Sarah.]

Oh and I don't understand what you're saying about the whole sling thing and dates. Your words confuse me, as did Amy21's.

[Ruth*Star]

I'm happy to see K-Kwik since he was really good in tna and is good in the ring.

[Vixen99999]

Originally posted by mrs_rko
Someone has done their research, and someone is really trying to convince themselves that Cena is single and waiting for you.
:bigsmile:

Go easy on the stalking.

I have done my research :thumbs:. John is single the whole engagement rumour is lies. But please I am not waiting for John. I do have a life. I am just a fan of John's. Nothing wrong with that. I dont stalk people only really sad people do that.

Originally posted by mrs_rko
Oh and I don't understand what you're saying about the whole sling thing and dates. Your words confuse me, as did Amy21's.

Do I have to use visual aids to help you understand as your that simple. John wears a sling from his injured peck muscle after he had surgery. Thats what I mean. Theres no sling in those photos. And the dates I am on about is the date that is written on those photo pages. Get me now or do I have to really spell it out for you.

Lets move on to Randy Orton well his title reign has been quite poor now hasent it. Hes been kicked in the head I dont how many times. He has jobbed to nearly everyone on the roster while being champion and made to look a fool. And from what I have found out now he will no longer be WWE champion come Wrestlemania 24 as hes going to lose it. His title reign hasent even lasted a year and he is going to lose it within a few months lol. Oh dear. Well I think John is still the best WWE champion in the business by far. Once hes back though everyone better watch out as hes coming for his WWE title he never lost. The John Cena era will continue then and nobody can stop him :bigsmile:.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/christyhemmefan1/JohnCena202.jpg

[Dan_]

Not you again Amy.You're about as subtle as an armoured tank.

[GiRTh]

LMAO

How did you think you were going to hide Amy.

[Sarah.]

LMAO.
*waits for Amy to get banned, but in the meantime....*

Randy Orton is the champion, John Cena is sitting on his ass waiting for his arm to heal, Randy Orton is in the main event at PPV's ... what's Cena doing? Taking back someone who cheated on him. =D

I'm not going to get into this argument again, please don't call me simple, I back up my claims with evidence, facts, not made up crap that you provide.

Thankyou and don't sign up again :)

[Ruth*Star]

Welcome Back Amy, I think people can tell its you, and so what if Randy won't be champ for a year, at least he doesn't get the chant "you can't wrestle", Randy debuted before John did and he was the youngest world heavyweight champ, is john the youngest WHC? .....No he isn't.

[Sarah.]

Oh and for your benefit Amy, here is an updated picture, this shows the CURRENT WWE Champion, not the past one, that picture is waaay old.

http://i7.tinypic.com/6owqzjd.jpg

[Ruth*Star]

Ahhh that picture of Randy with HIS title is so beautiful, he wears that title well.

[Sarah.]

He really does :tongue:

[Ruth*Star]

Yeah he looks lovely, and hasn't raw been great lately the feud with randy and Jeff has been so interesting and booked well.

[Sarah.]

Most definitely, and don't forget Jericho vs Randy, short but good, shame I can't say the same for Cena feuds.

[Dan_]

Title reigns shouldn't be lasting a year anyway, that's why people got so sick of Cena as nobody else got the chance to hold the belt and Cena was made to look like bloody king kong.

[Ruth*Star]

Yeah Cenas feuds in 07 were bland apart from his feud with randy, i think i was just bored of him being champ really.

[Redmond]

Guys please don't respond to Amy, she just takes the thread off track and it's annoying, she's just here to troll, ignore and she'll go.

Anyway Raw was awesome, Hardy continues to amaze me more and more each week. This was great:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtY2l0UmxW0

[Ruth*Star]

I loved how he did Matts V1 hand movement at the end, like he did it for him.

[Dan_]

That Swanton Bomb was just crazy! He was in the air for what seemed an age.I'm really enjoying this feud between Hardy and Orton.

*woo Amy's banned*

[Dan_]

Bobby Lashey is supposedly not returning to WWE despite him being back from injury.He's meant to be angry with the way Kristal was treated and how he's been treated since getting injured.

[Sarah.]

Ahh well, never liked him.

[Dan_]

I wonder who the last few royal rumble spots will go to? I always hope for a couple of surprises but usually end up with jobbers like Shannon Moore, no disrespect to him but it's not interesting.Bring in a couple of old timers is what I say!

[Dan_]

Woo Rumble tonight!

Current rumble list:

Umaga
Snitsky
Hardcore Holly
Mick Foley
Cody Rhodes
Santino Marella
Carlito
Shawn Michaels
Ken Kennedy
Triple H
Hornswoggle
The Undertaker
Batista
Kane
Finlay
Jamie Noble
Great Khali
Mark Henry
Chuck Palumbo
John Morrison
The Miz
Shelton Benjamin
Big Daddy V
Tommy Dreamer
CM Punk

There's 5 spots left, anyone heard any rumours?

[Ruth*Star]

since the big show is coming back i wouldn't be surprised if one of the last places go to him.

[Dan_]

I reckon he'll probably be one of the 5 unknowns too.

Seeing as Chris Harris and Ron Killings have signed from TNA they might also be in line for a place.

[Stu]

Triple H and The Undertaker all the way.

Triple H is my pick for tonight. This is definately the start of the games climb back into the title picture full time after being out of it since 2 years ago. Expect him to go on and win Mania'. On that note it could only possibly be Orton who he could beat it for , so Hardys chances look bleak for tonight , unless they let him have it for only about a month , but that would be an awkward pothole in the 'one man dynasty' Triple H seems destined to tear down.

I would love to see Hardy get it though.

And finnaly! PPV back in Madison Square!

[Dan_]

I reckon it will be Triple H or Taker too.I expect a strong showing from CM Punk too, top 4 place.

Not WWE but still wrestling related, has anyone seen TNA lately? I'm just done watching some long time curtain jerker called sharkboy take up about 20 minutes of the latest impact impersonating Stone Cold Steve Austin but with a shark theme to it! After coming out of a coma he suddenly demands matches and gets them and despite not being given medical clearance he just goes and wrestles anyway, they've not even booked top stars like this in the past but suddenly a jobbers in the forefront of everything.Jay Lethal who's been acting like Randy Savage for weeks has now started talking like Shawn Michaels.Why do they keep turning wrestlers into copy's of WWE stars? What's going to be next? Bobby Roode as Akeem?

They've turned three of the best wrestlers in the company into jokes.Christopher Daniels is much dead to the show right now.AJ Styles has just been turned into a complete and utter clown and Samoa Joe's started to somewhat randomly put people through tables,like he's some kind of apprentice Dudley Boy and keeps ripping up contracts to face various people.After hating on Kevin Nash for weeks, he saves him from a beating from Matt Morgan.Kurt Angle offers his wife to Tomko for some reason or another.

Black Reign aka Goldust in a bin bag with what looks like leaking milk pattern,beat some other bloke in a rat on a pole match!

None of it makes any sense.This is what you get when you put Vince Russo in charge of booking, sure he had success back in the attitude era but after that he's been so ridiculous.He turns up with pages of ideas and all of it is stupid.If this is what actually gets put on the shows then I dread to think of the manure that doesn't get implemented into the shows.

"Hello everyone, I'm Vince Russo.I've got an idea, let's do an angle where Tomko becomes infected with aids and put him a barbed wire match, it'll be controversial so it'll draw ratings!"

[Stu]

...WHAT THE ****?

[Redmond]

Rumble was really good. Cena man, whether you love or hate the guy you cannot deny he gets people off their seats, that pop he got was HUGE, I totally wasn't expecting him to be in the match.

I'm disappointed once again that he will be main eventing Mania, both Mania's I've been too he's main evented and I wanted a change but hey I'm sure a Cena/Orton match will get the crowd going.

Loved Santino last night, he was well over with the NY crowd. Taker/HBK starting 1 and 2 was good. And loved the Piper/Snuka bit. :D

Disappointed that Hardy didn't win the title and also the match wasn't as good as I was expecting.

But overall good PPV.

[Ruth*Star]

Originally posted by Morpheus
...WHAT THE ****? My thoughts exactly :(....

[Stu]

Get set for another endless title reign from 'The Champ'...

[Dan_]

Well I certainly didn't see that coming :shocked:

[Sarah.]

(amy style rant)
I AM so angry!!!! John Cena won!!!:mad::mad::mad: Why does he have to headline WM AGAIN?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Jericho ****eddd up, and i didnt enjoy the match.

Randy retained and at least thats the one good thing about the Rumble.

62 days til Randy loses the title to Cena.. im guessing.

[Stu]

Judging by the announced No Way Out matches , 2 wrestlemania matches are happening a month early and a challenger to the title who is NOT John Cena is still to be decided.

Looks like things are going to get more interesting.

Im thinking thery will give the title to John early so he can go into wrestlemania with it against Triple H [and hopefully lose , but I doubt it].

I would have preffered a long build up with The One Man Dynsasty Vs. The Returning champ at Mania'.

[Sarah.]

Yeah, John will probably win the title at No Way out and HHH will win the chamber. Great.

[Dan_]

They just had to get the title back on Cena so soon after his return, bloody idiots!

I bet Orton will be stuck feuding with Flair afterwards.

[Redmond]

I'm actually bored of the Cena hate now, so I'm going to give him a chance on his return, you can't deny the guys passion and love for the business and although he's not the greatest wrestler ever it's hard to not see that he gets fans speaking and cheering or booing, he gets big reactions.

I reckon he'll beat Orton for the title at No Way Out, which I have no problem with really as Orton has been quite disappointing as a champion, I'm not sure if that's just because he gets buried nearly every week on Raw or not. But I don't want Triple H to win the chamber match because we saw Triple H vs Cena at Mania a couple of years ago and I was there live then and although it was great I don't really want to see it again.

[Dan_]

My only real problem with Cena is the way that he's booked.It's just inevitable that he will end up getting the title back at the first attempt and then go on and keep it for a while.I just don't see the need him always being the champion and overcoming the odds again and again using the same old move set.

His comeback was good as it was so unexpected and that's what you want from wrestling but Cena's future is too predictable for me.

[Sarah.]

I used to be a big Cena fan but slowly started to change my mind about him, just because he was the champ for so long, and now he's back, it's just obvious that Cena's going to be the champ in no time, and Randys title reign means almost nothing now. It's not Orton's fault his reign hasn't been great, it's mainly how he was booked, such as losing to Ric Flair, and getting SCM every week for 6 weeks, from being the brutal Legend Killer before he was champ, then to a guy who was being buried all the time, as the champion, didn't make sense.
Cena doesn't need to be the WWE champion, I just hate it how the WWE must always have him in the main event or the champ. They should listen to the chants he gets everyweek, I think they just block the "Cena Sucks" chants out and concentrate on the girls screaming.

[Ruth*Star]

If he doesn't win the title on his first attempt and wins it somewhere down the line, in a about 4ish months, maybe i'll be okay with cena coming back early but i just don't want him winning the title so soon after his return, if anyone Jeff Hardy should be winning the title of Randy, when randy loses it.

[Sarah.]

Chris Jericho should soo win the chamber, but it won't happen.
These few months will probably be so predictable.

[Ruth*Star]

I know, that's why i have enjoyed the past 4 months, its been exciting and not really predictable.

[Sarah.]

Yep, guess we'll have to get used to the usual "The champ is heeeeree!" and that stupid finisher called the FU.
and his annoying music.

[Redmond]

There are going to be TWO elimination chamber matches at No Way Out! Confirmed on Smackdown last night it will be Batista vs Undertaker vs MVP vs Finlay vs Khali vs Big Daddy V for the chance to face the World Champion at Mania. Two EC's in one night may be a bit over the top.

Anyway back on to Cena, I think the reason he's always booked in the main event is because he sells tickets, whether people want to come to cheer him or come to boo him, either way he provokes a reaction from people and gets people off their seats, so that's why he is always in the main event.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Dan_
My only real problem with Cena is the way that he's booked.It's just inevitable that he will end up getting the title back at the first attempt and then go on and keep it for a while.I just don't see the need him always being the champion and overcoming the odds again and again using the same old move set.

His comeback was good as it was so unexpected and that's what you want from wrestling but Cena's future is too predictable for me.
Agree completely.

Also , two elimination chambers on one show? I dont consider it overkill and im certianly not going to complain , but if wwe is doing this to get buyrates that are sagging worse than Mae Youngs tits up then they will need to improve the storylines , let fans actualy express themselves for a change [that means no taking down signs - thats pathetic , especially with the crap they sprout about loving the fans] , and actualy create a little tension.

That means no 16 month long Cena reigns!

[Dan_]

They certainly need to improve the storylines, too much time is centred around Hornswoggle and Vince now, how is having a midget wrestler being part of a major storyline going to help things?

I hope we get some kind of major stable soon, things are developing fairly well over on Smackdown with Edge and co.

[Redmond]

Raw ratings reached 4 million this week, the highest ratings for a non-special Raw since the one after last years Wrestlemania. So you can't deny Cena didn't help those ratings, love or hate the guy he makes the company successful in terms of business. :laugh:

No Way Out is shaping up to be quite a good card:

WWE Championship
Randy Orton (c) vs John Cena

World Championship
Edge (c) vs Rey Mysterio

Raw Elimination Chamber
Triple H vs HBK vs Jericho vs JBL vs Umaga vs Jeff Hardy

Smackdown Elimination Chamber
Undertaker vs Batista vs MVP vs Finlay vs Great Khali vs Big Daddy V

Career Threatening Match
Ric Flair vs Mr Kennedy

[Sarah.]

Is No Way Out on PPV here?

[Stu]

No Way Out will be on Sky Sports 1. Great show for free. Cant wait.

Also , apparently , there are only 8,000 tickets left for wrestlemania , so they will sell out for sure come March.

[Sarah.]

Yesss, I'm fed up of paying for PPV's right now lol. Glad this one's free.

[Redmond]

Word is that Ric Flair's opponent at Wrestlemania will be Shawn Michaels. This is suppose to be Flair's retirement match.

[Dan_]

I think that's a pretty poor choice to be honest.HBK's doesn't need the accolade of ending Flair's career.Give it to one of the younger guys.

[Redmond]

Yeah I can see your point from that angle. But I think if anyone can get one last great match out of Flair it will be HBK.

[Ruth*Star]

I'd rather Kennedy end Flairs career, that would be a nice-ish push for ken.

[Sarah.]

I can see why they would want HBK/Flair as his last match, but I do think it should be Kennedy also, that would be a great thing for him to accomplish in his career.

[Dan_]

An interview with Paul Heyman from the sun's website, thought it might be of interest to you guys.

HE’S the man who revolutionised the wrestling business.

The outspoken leader of a hardcore cult that will never die.

The creative genius forever synonymous with the letters E-C-W.

But for more than a year no one has heard a peep out of Paul Heyman.

Where was he? Why did he walk out of the WWE in December 2006? And most importantly what does he really think of Vince McMahon’s ‘new’ ECW?

Now, for the first time Paul answers those questions and more as only Paul can.

He also reveals the first details and advert for his exciting new project, the Heyman Hustle, which starts right here on The Sun Online on Monday February 18.

Enjoy!

Paul, let’s cut right to the chase. What happened with you and Vince McMahon?

I think what it boils down to is Vince McMahon and I have totally separate and distinct visions for what a wrestling or sports entertainment product should be.

There’s nothing wrong with having those different visions, the problem was that Vince started to take the difference of opinion personally.

And once that personality conflict comes into play, when you’re trying to steer the direction of a product, it becomes a bad work environment.

So Vince didn’t like working with me anymore and I didn’t like working with Vince anymore.

And it’s his company, so obviously he has to stay!

What do you think went wrong and why?

The brand should never have been brought back after the very first One Night Stand in 2005.

The follow-up show in 2006 made money, but only because it served as the platform for Rob Van Dam to beat John Cena.

Then Sci-Fi Channel was willing to give a test run for the brand ECW and they currently pay a lot of money for that TV show.

So the theory of bringing ECW back and making it profitable worked as a business move.

But the expectation from the audience that ECW was being brought back only served to be a monumental letdown.

By comparison, if someone were to resurrect The Beatles and say: “You know what, we want to make them more globally accepted, so we’re going to have a white guy, an Asian female, a Hispanic Bisexual and an African-American with a Scottish accent.”

In the land of WWE that actually makes sense.

But no matter how you look at it, it’s just not the Beatles.

So in the same light, it’s just not ECW.

‘Extreme’ doesn’t mean blood, or tables, or barbed wire. ECW was always about progression, moving forward, giving more bang for the buck.

For example, a finish in most every match. Simple thought. A winner and a loser. And a story with it that makes sense.

But if you voiced that opinion, Vince would take it personally.

If you look at the attempts to recreate the nWo, to re-create Goldberg and, even now, trying to recreate Ric Flair’s career on the line, Vince’s magic only happens when he creates it from the get-go.

If Vince doesn’t create it from the get-go, he can’t embrace the formula.

But why didn’t Vince just say: “Paul, I know you’re good at ECW, it’s on Sci-Fi, do your stuff, work your magic, make me some money?”

Because that goes against everything that is Vince McMahon.

Vince is such a control freak that if he sneezes, the next 10 minutes of any meeting are ruined because he is so p***ed at himself for not being able to control the sneeze.

And it’s worked very well for him in life.

He is a billionaire. He has his own luxury private plane and, by the way, it’s a really nice plane. He has things and property and cash that every other wrestling promoter in the world doesn’t have.

He has achieved these goals HIS WAY and so Vince is not about to let anyone have free reign over anything in his kingdom. That’s just not going to happen.

How was it for you to see ECW - your baby, the thing you created - almost destroyed in front of your eyes?

It was a very rough road because, make no mistake about it, Vince McMahon has every right to do anything that he wants with ECW.

He bought the right to exploit the intellectual property of the brand. It’s his, he owns it, and nobody can question whether or not he is entitled to do whatever he damn well pleases with it.

Rob Van Dam has articulated on this brilliantly in some recent interviews and it kind of brought back the memories of that time in 2006.

I tried to resign, and in front of other people because I wanted witnesses, several times in last two months of my tenure in WWE/ECW.

I offered my resignation to Stephanie on several occasions. I told her the tensions between me and Vince were getting in the way of the brand, that Vince was taking everything personally, and that it was neither fun, creative, or productive any more.

I thought if I left, Vince would give the brand the TLC - um, that’s Tender Loving Care, not Tables Ladders and Chairs - it needed. Stephanie kept trying to get involved, but Vince was on a tear.

I dare suggest that Vince was craving for someone to compete with him on any level, in anything in life, and also at the same time, hating to lose, said: “I have the original owner of ECW, I have the original creative mind of ECW, and you know what, we’re gonna battle over the creative direction of this product.”

And, at the same time, it’s like the WrestleMania main event - because it’s a predetermined finish.

At the end of the day, Vince has to determine what the direction is.

I’m not there to compete with him. I’m there to help him. I’m on his side, I’m his tag team partner.

It just became misery to work there which is why, as Van Dam has pointed out, I just wanted out so badly I finally couldn’t take it any more.

When did that happen, what was the actual date, because no one has known where you’ve been for a long time?

The final straw was the December to Dismember Pay Per View. That show was just a wreck.

I knew it going in. I kept trying to pitch different things for the show that week, that weekend, and even the day of the show. All day long on the day of the show, I kept coming to Vince saying: “The people are going to throw this back in our face.”

Can you give us some examples of the things that you wanted to do that Vince said “no” to?

I thought the undercard was horrible.

I thought that the design of the show itself made no sense.

I just felt that the entire layout of the show, the entire complexion of the event was a downer.

I also thought that we were doing Bobby Lashley no favours the way he was going to win the title. Lashley winning the title, especially if you eliminate Rob Van Dam and CM Punk early, would be leapfrogging over RVD and Punk.

Van Dam was the sentimental favourite, Punk was the kid that all the crowd was getting behind and they wanted to see the upset.

If you don’t appease the need for the audience to see that new hero get crowned like Punk did the week before at Survivor Series when DX let him say ‘Are you ready?’ then the audience will feel ripped off.

If you don’t put that spotlight on Van Dam, with whom the paying customers have just taken this long ride back into the title chase, then the paying customer will feel ripped off.

My opinion was to start the chamber off with the Big Show saying: “I’m a seven foot tall, 500lb giant, I’m gonna mow through every one of you.”

And the first to take him on would be Punk. Playing to the fact that UFC is so hot and in the public consciousness, Punk chokes out Big Show in the first round of the Elimination Chamber, four-and-a-half minutes in, and now the champion is out.

You know for a fact, before any two contenders lock up, I’m getting a new champion at the end of this match.

Then, the first guy to come out after Big Show v Punk, would be Van Dam. You let Van Dam and Punk fight it out, and then you start feeding in the heels.

Vince hated this. He especially hated the fact that Big Show liked it.

Even though he was being choked out within five minutes, Big Show liked it?

Of course, because he was making a new guy!

Big Show is so underappreciated in terms of how smart he is to the business, and how willing he is to make new stars.

Vince wanted all babyfaces out of the way and for all the spotlight on Lashley and for Lashley to do a Goldberg-style two minute squash of The Big Show.

At that point, not only did I realise that this is going to suck, not only is everyone going to throw this back at us, but this show is going to run short.

And during the show, I pointed all this out to Vince, which just angered him even more, and he didn’t care.

His attitude was: “When this broadcast is over, people will see a new champion, they’ll have a new hero and they’ll all be happy.”

When I went to Vince right before I went out to introduce the Chamber, I pointed out again to him “Vince this show is horribly short.”

I had this idea of getting 15 minutes out of the crowd, but Vince said: “No, no, no. Just go out there, make your point, and introduce the Chamber.”

Which is why, when I was in the ring, I made the statement: “ECW will live long after I am gone.”

Because I knew, either when I went back into the dressing room, or within the next day or two, it was time for me to leave.

Was there a part of you that thought about breaking character and actually quitting in the ring live on PPV?

No, because that would be unprofessional.

All that is doing is, in an emotional state, thinking that I am *******ing Vince McMahon over, and it’s a very dramatic thought but I have to say this on the record - I don’t think Vince McMahon *******ed me over.

I don’t think Vince, in his mind, did anything malicious towards me. I think Vince did what he either persuaded or convinced himself was the best for business.

The biggest shoot that I could do in that ring was not to say “I quit”. The biggest shoot that I could do was to make the statement “this brand goes on without me”.

That’s what I said, and that’s what ended up happening.

Do you think that Vince was trying to prove that Extreme didn’t work, as he didn’t invent it. That he was trying to destroy the legacy of ECW?

Like most people who make grand achievements in life – Bill Gates, Ted Turner, Richard Branson, Bill Clinton – Vince McMahon is a most complex individual.

It would take Freud himself to accurate describe, and probably 900 pages to do so, how Vince’s mind works.

There’s a lot of self-justification that goes on.

Vince could never accept that another brand could be successful.

Look at the success of The Rise and Fall of ECW, the DVD, which has sold close to 400,000 copies worldwide and at any point is the No1 or No2 bestselling DVD in sports entertainment history. The World Class DVD is just breaking out of 10,000 units sold right now. The Rey Mysterio DVD, the John Cena My Life DVD, sold approximately 30,000 units each.

You look at the staggeringly successful numbers that ECW DVD did, Vince’s answer to you will be: ‘Well, of course it sold that many, we’ve educated the audience that ECW is something special by the fact that every time a table broke, every time a high spot happened, every time an extreme style was showcased, we’ve encouraged the audience to chant E-C-W and we’ve allowed it on our broadcast.”

Now if you think about that logic, it’s so ass-backwards, that you’re going to think this man is a *******ing idiot or he’s insane, but he’s neither.

He has convinced, or persuaded, himself the statement is true.

And he wholeheartedly believes that the success of the first ECW PPV was because the $400,000+ gate that was in the Hammerstein Ballroom were the last vestiges of the ECW audience and all those people that bought it on PPV were WWE fans who were educated that ECW would be something special.

Vince McMahon would swear on his grandchildren that is an accurate statement.

He won’t be lying, he’ll mean it when he says it, unfortunately it’s the furthest thing from the truth.

So after December to Dismember, you literally left that night and never came back?

No, we clashed that night after the show, and the next day too. By then, that was fait accompli.

We were clashing on the plane going to North Charleston, South Carolina. It was ridiculous.

So by the time we got to North Charleston, I had already called home and said: “Just so you know, I’m coming home tonight.” I’d already made up my mind.

After the producers’ meeting, Vince, Stephanie and I sat in that room trying to determine what the future held¿ and I just wanted to go home.

We sat there for a while, there’s a lot of history with me and Vince, and there was a lot I wanted to say to him, to his face, and there was a lot that he wanted to say to my face.

I think we both had merits in our argument.

At the end of the day, I shook his hand and went home and I’ve never looked back.

Have you spoken to Vince or Stephanie since?

Oh, Stephanie called me the next day several times, and tried to repair it. I don’t think there was anything to repair.

I had a run in the wrestling industry that in my wildest dreams as a kid I could never have imagined.

As a performer I accomplished everything I could possibly have wanted. As I writer/booker, I had a run that all but the most uber-successful people in the history of this business could have ever fantasised about.

I owned a company that is the only company in history to be resurrected. Ted Turner lost hundreds of millions of dollars on WCW, no-one’s calling for the resurrection of that promotion.

My tiny little creative vision called ECW not only was resurrected but still stands today without me.

What more is there left for me to do?

Stephanie made me an offer in 2007 to come back and run developmental, because of the success we had in OVW.

She said; “Vince wants you to create new stars again, do what you were doing in OVW and also get Deep South Wrestling on track.”

They offered me that position, with the same pay, same stock options, same benefits.

It was a wonderful offer and anybody that has the opinion they wanted to drive Paul Heyman out of the business should understand that this offer was given to me and it was most flattering.

Of course, I’m sure that part of the deal would be “no contact with Vince” but Stephanie really wanted me to take the job, and was pushing me to take the job.

Stephanie was shocked that I wouldn’t jump all over this opportunity because on a money basis, it was an insanely lucrative deal.

A miniscule amount of the work I had to put in before, on a job that I truly enjoy which is developing characters, working with the next generation so every star of the next generation will have been moulded at least partially by me.

It was a very financially lucrative and creatively fulfilling job but by this point I just didn’t want it any more.

Our MMA correspondent at The Sun, Mark Gilbert, said you were trying to buy Strike Force at one point, is that true?

You kind of caught me off guard in asking the question, but it’s 100% true.

I don’t know whose names I’m supposed or not supposed to discuss, so I will skirt the issue of who else was involved by simply saying we formed a group of qualified, intelligent, motivated people last summer and had some meetings with Scott Coker about buying Strike Force and obviously keeping Coker intricately involved.

I think Strike Force was in a position to, if not challenge UFC, then be what ECW was in the 90s which is a very viable alternative brand.

I have a lot of admiration for what Scott Coker and his team have built in Northern California, and I like the name Strike Force. Good name for branding.

I like their presentation, I think they have some marketable fighters under contract, and we had a collective vision that I think could have really, really worked.

The negotiations stopped because one of the key people in our group ended up being someone we didn’t want to get stuck with, because we realised in the negotiations that he was the wrong guy for the deal.

Scott Coker is a good man. I like him personally, love his organization, and think he deserves a lot of credit for what he’s built.

Finally let’s talk about the Heyman Hustle. Let’s give people a taste of what’s going to happen on The Sun’s website in two weeks time.

Well, my partner Mitchell Stuart always laughs at me because I define the Hustle as the High Definition Video Blog of a Rambling Mind.

Our goal is to break ground in the wireless/broadband and digital/mobile platforms, which get so much attention from the entertainment industry right now because its unchartered turf and no-one has been able to figure out what the future holds on this constantly evolving concept.

We want to peel back the layers of celebrity and we’re going to demonstrate that larger-than-life personalities are not only found on television and the movies.

We’re going to find the extraordinary in the ordinary and find the ordinary in the extraordinary.

So, we’re just diving in as deep as we can go and trying to be the leaders of the exploration of this new universe.

So, we’re content providers in a brand new, exploding, and already rapidly changing field.

Damn, that sounds exhilarating!

[Dan_]

JR's latest blog...

Jim Ross has a new blog entry up. Highlights are below.

On Bobby Lashley: I have read where the WWE and Bobby Lashley have come to terms of a contractual release. I did not take the time to discuss this matter with any WWE officials the past few weeks, but things like this don't surprise me now days as they perhaps once would have. Lashley is a genuine physical specimen who is supremely gifted athletically, but much like Brock Lesnar, Bobby apparently did not like the travel demands of being a pro wrestler in today's marketplace, nor do I think that Bobby ever fully understood the business of sports entertainment, which added to Lashley's consternation at times. Financially, Bobby had a superb, hell fantastic, 2007, one of the best I can ever recall for any one at his stage of the game. In my personal opinion, if a pundit speculates that Bobby did not do well or wasn't treated fairly financially, I would dispute that uninformed statement wholeheartedly. Bobby is apparently in a relationship with Krystal Marshall, another former WWE performer, and I wish them well. The business of sports entertainment isn't for everyone and sometimes people don't realize that until they have put in some time on the road and spending in the locker room community. My personal philosophy is that "wrestling relationships" rarely, not never, but rarely make it long term and if it is true that Lashley and Marshall want to have a life together, perhaps being in another line of work will work better for them. Lashley vs. Lesnar some day in the UFC is intriguing, as Bobby definitely has the background to have a fighting chance to make it as a MMA star, if Lashley chooses to go that route, with the proper training. But that's just me doing some fantasy booking.

[Sarah.]

Today i met Sunny and Bret Hart =D lol.

[Dan_]

That's cool.Where did you meet them?

[Sarah.]

Wrestleslam UK, in Manchester (:

[Redmond]

Cool, did you ask Sunny if she would be returning to the WWE as there were rumours that she was going to a few months back?

[Redmond]

That Big Show and Floyd Mayweather Jr segment last night was awesome. Big Show took one hell of a shot to his nose!

Loved the PPV, but pissed off that Triple H once again had to play Superman and main event Mania. Everybody wanted Hardy to win, he deserved to win, he's been on one hell of a roll, but no it wasn't to be.

The main event for Mania will probably be Triple H v Orton v Cena.

[Sarah.]

lol, big show segment was hilarious!

and i'm so happy randy is still champion.

disappointed with the outcome of the raw chamber too, would have been so happy if jericho won, or even jeff but no, triple h has to main event mania. either one of them deserved it more than hhh.

[Dan_]

Not seen No Way Out yet but from reading the reviews it seemed a really good PPV.

I did see the Big Show segment on youtube though, was really good.Floyd looked tiny but then just smashes into him and runs off! He supposedly broke Show's nose!

Flair vs Kennedy went exactly as I imagined.Just keeps Flair going on for a while longer but it would've been great for Kennedy to be the one ending his career.Perhaps the feud might carry on.

Punk needs to be moved off ECW at the next draft as he's pretty much done now after being beaten pretty clean by Chavo.

Smackdown elimination chamber looks like it was the better of the two but both had good spots.Jeff Hardy continues to be hugely over with the fans but there was no chance at Triple H passing up the chance at headlining WM again.I can see him winning the title now.

Glad to see Orton retain the title.For the first time in a while it looks like they are doing things right with Cena, having him get the title within a month of coming back just wouldn't of been right.

[Redmond]

Originally posted by mrs_rko
lol, big show segment was hilarious!

and i'm so happy randy is still champion.

disappointed with the outcome of the raw chamber too, would have been so happy if jericho won, or even jeff but no, triple h has to main event mania. either one of them deserved it more than hhh.

As much as I like Jericho there was no way he deserved to win. He just isn't over enough to main event Mania at the minute. He seems to be lacking something since he's come back and he's yet to have that 'great' match since returning that we all know he is still capable of. They should turn him heel because then I think he'd be in his element. Right now he isn't getting much crowd reaction.

[Redmond]

Anyway, Mania is shaping up to be good, with Jeff Hardy, Mr Kennedy and SHELTON BENJAMIN back in the Money In The Bank match. Shelton was sorely missed in last years match, so it will be great to have him back in it, I'm sure him and Hardy will be doing something crazy and I can't wait to be there and see that LIVE. :tongue: I'm guessing Jericho will also be in this match.

Also HBK v Flair should be good. Triple H v Orton v Cena will probably have a great atmosphere, as will Mayweather v Big Show.

I'm still interested in what match they will do with Vince and Finlay, I hope they both have a street fight, that could be great. But now that JBL has got involved he'll probably scrape his way into the match somehow.

[Dan_]

I suggested a feud between Finlay and JBL a couple weeks back on another forum.I think they would end up having some good matches, could do a street fight or something similar.

[Sarah.]

WWE have done a terrible job with Jericho so far, and now he's most likely going to be in the MITB.. Firstly they put him into a WWE title feud with Randy which didn't last long enough and the ending to the feud was rubbish. Then suddenly Jericho 'forgets' he's here to save us from Randy and starts a feud with JBL, which wasn't exactly good. Misses two episodes of RAW since he came back and now JBL is involved with the Hornswoggle/Finlay/Vince thing. I think they could have done so much better. They should turn him heel too.

But anyways, I think Triple H is going to walk out of WM as the champion. He wouldn't be in it if he was going to lose, Cena and Orton had a good storyline going on and I was enjoying it. Undertaker vs Edge is going to be great, and I'm happy Ric Flair is being inducted into the HOF. Big show vs Mayweather is kinda interesting.
I just hope Maria doesn't get a shot at the women's title just because she's in Playboy, like Ashley did last year.

[Dan_]

I doubt Maria will be getting a title shot, we'll most likely see the feud between Candice and Beth restart again.

Jericho's been booked horribly since he came back.The feud with Orton was just so short lived and ended up being pointless.The feud with JBL wasn't too bad but that's just fizzling out now.I'd move him over to Smackdown at the next draft and send Batista in the other direction.

[Redmond]

I was hoping Maria wouldn't be in the Womens title match at Mania and I doubt she will be now that Candice is back, plus the Playboy is out next week I believe? So it's not like they need to promote it weeks later at Mania. So hopefully we get a good one on one match between Candice and Beth Phoenix. Can't wait till they let Nikita (Katie Lea) start wrestling too, she is brilliant.

Not sure what will be happening with Batista at Mania? MITB maybe?

[Redmond]

Well forget what I said. Just been confirmed at the Mania Press Conference that Maria and Candice will be teaming up in a Playboy Bunnie Fight.

No women's title match on a PPV again!

[Sarah.]

lmao, what a stupid match!

[Sarah.]

Good to see a new IC Champ. =D They haven't forgot about it afterall. But I think this means Hardy will definitely win the MITB and Jericho, now the Intercontinental Champ, will have a feud of his own... who with though? Kennedy?

[Dan_]

Originally posted by mrs_rko
Good to see a new IC Champ. =D They haven't forgot about it afterall. But I think this means Hardy will definitely win the MITB and Jericho, now the Intercontinental Champ, will have a feud of his own... who with though? Kennedy?

Looks like Jeff's not even going to be in the MITB now.He's been given a 60 day suspension for failing a drug test.

[Sarah.]

I just read about it. What an idiot.
I wonder who'll win the MITB now then?

[Dan_]

I was so sure that it would be Jeff now I'm totally not sure.I wonder who will take Jeff's place?

[Dan_]

From Matt Hardy's myspace:

Seeing Jeff’s Tragedy Through My Eyes

I was having a pretty standard "gotta fly out early and go to work tomorrow" Friday night. I was washing and packing clothes, booking my rental car, and writing bills to put in the mail on my way to the airport in the morning. Around midnight on Saturday, March 15th, I let my beloved pet dog Lucas outside to use the bathroom. As I stepped outside, I smelled smoke. I walked around to my garage area and could see huge flames burning through the woods. The large flames appeared to be very close to Jeff’s place, about a third of a mile away from my house. My first initial thought was that Jeff was burning either trash or a brush-pile. I then questioned my thought, considering how big the size of the flames looked. For a second, I thought it might be the huge ramp on Jeff’s motocross track or his old recording studio. I quickly jumped in my car, and drove down the back road that connects our two properties.

As I pulled around the lake that bordered Jeff’s home, I witnessed a horrific mental image that will always be etched in my mind. I could see over Jeff’s recording studio that and my brother’s home was engulfed in flames. I violently stopped my car, jumped out, and ran towards Jeff’s burning home yelling for my brother at the top of my lungs. My initial fear was that Jeff and Beth were burning to death inside their house. And I was the only person on the scene-I was frantic. I ran onto the front porch, kicked at the flaming front door, yelling for Jeff and Beth. I could only stay there for a second-the temperature of the heat was unbearable, and I couldn’t breath due to the smoke and lack of oxygen. The entire structure was covered in flames. I ran to the other side of Jeff’s place and saw that his car was gone. I internally prayed that Jeff, Beth, and Jack weren’t in there. I didn’t have my cell phone on me because I had left my house in such a panic. I jumped in my car and raced back home to get my phone. About this same time I got into my car, I could hear sirens-signifying that the fire trucks were on their way.

I got home and called Jeff. It went straight to voicemail, my heart dropped. I called Beth and she picked up. I hysterically asked if Jeff was there and he was. Jeff and Beth had been out to eat and he was currently getting the Hardy Boyz tattoo on the back of his neck filled in at Shannon’s shop. I frantically explained what was happening and that he had to get there now. The first thing Jeff said was this-"Matt, can you kick down the door and get Jack? Please get Jack Matt!" It was heartbreaking. I told Jeff that it was too late, everything was gone. The fire had destroyed everything.

I was already back on the way to Jeff’s burning home as I was getting off the phone with him. By the time I returned to the scene, the fire department was there, and they were fighting the fire. There were fire trucks and police and emergency vehicles everywhere-it looked like a scene out of a movie. When Jeff and Beth finally got there, the shock of reality truly set in on them. I have never felt so bad and helpless and powerless for two people before. It took the fire fighters until almost 4 a.m. to put out the flames. With the exception of the clothes on their bodies, everything that Jeff and Beth owned had been destroyed. But the most tragic lost to them was their beloved dog Jack. Jeff and Beth were crushed. If you’ve ever been extremely close to a pet, you know how painful it is to lose them. It’s like the pet becomes your child.

About 5 a.m., Jeff and Beth came to my house-which is now their house for the time being. Neither one of them could even think about sleeping, and they were both still in shock. I made sure that they knew where everything was in my house and how it worked-so they could function independently in my place. I spent some time talking to them, and then finished packing my stuff. I headed to the airport to go to Louisiana about 8 a.m. without any sleep. This was definitely one of the worst days of my life.

Five days later, it’s still surreal. It’s still so hard to believe that this has actually happened. I thank God that Jeff and Beth weren’t inside the house asleep. As of right now, it seems the fire was started by electrical wires that had been unknowingly damaged underneath Jeff’s place. There’s so much misinformation out there, I wanted everyone to hear and understand the truth behind this tragedy.

As I type this, I hear Jeff upstairs coughing due to being sick. I have never seen my brother as stressed out as he is right now. Jeff is sick because his body is so run down from not sleeping and being stressed out. He needs all of our support now more than ever. Jeff has done so many good things for so many people across the world-now is the time I hope everyone remembers that.

The support and help that has been offered courtesy of family, friends, and fans has been amazing. Thank you. Calling, texting, or sending a message to support another human being that has just went through a personal tragedy means alot. It tells so much about a person’s character. In addition, not contacting or showing support also is very telling of a person’s character.

I’ve received several thousands of request from people wishing to help Jeff and Beth during their crisis. Speaking for them, we are very thankful for all of you. If you want to help, here’s what I suggest. If you have a good picture of Jeff and Beth together, frame it and send it to me. If you have any extras of Jeff’s old wrestling memorabilia-pictures, action figures, magazines, etc.-send those to me. If you see some clothing that you think would look good on Jeff or Beth, send that to me. Any item that you can think of that are similar to these things-that’s what will be the hardest for them to replace. They’re looking into building a new house now, but all of you could contribute the things that truly build a house into a "home." Anything they would need to complete a new "home"-that’s what Jeff and Beth need now. If you have something to send, send it to..

Jeff Hardy c/o Matt Hardy
P.O. Box 713
Vass, NC 28394

That’s all for now. But I will keep you updated on things. Feel free to pass this info on to friends, websites, and anywhere else you choose. To all of you that have shown so much love and support, I eternally thank you. Be well my friends, and take care of each other..

[Sarah.]

That's devastating. Things are really bad for Jeff right now.

[Stu]

I have not posted on here for a while , which is a shame considering its one of the few good threads in a forum that has sunk to absymal levels.

Im looking foward to Wrestlemania ALOT this year. I was never into Michaels and Cena last year , because lets face it , it was supposed to be Triple H in that match. And the Undertaker/Batista thing , as good as a match it was , did not interest me [mainly due to Batistas suits usualy having more charisma than he does]. Apart from that , Wrestlemania 23 was FAR too much about the battle of the billionaires [Vince aint a billionaire , for the record].

This year is different however. The whole Floyd Mayweather angle has me interested because nobody , including Vince , is quiet sure what the match stipulations are. As a shameless Edge mark also , im eager to see him beat Taker , which he wont , prompting me to scream at my TV at half three in the morning.

As for the triple threat , im hoping Triple H wins. Beyond that , I would rather Randy retain than Cena win , not out of hatred for Cena , but because of the simple booking philosophy that watching a good guy struggle to get the title is much better than watching the bad guy trying to chase the good guy [remember those dreadful two years of non stop Cena PPV wins? We are all ****ed if thats going to be 2008 again].

Oh and of course , the show is outdoors , which is bound to make everything interesting to watch as usual presentation wise.

[Dan_]

I think the two world title fights will be very good, it's just a shame that both of them are incredibly easy to predict.Can anyone see past Taker and Triple H walking away with the belts?

Flair vs HBK should be another very good match and a probably a nice way for Ric to end his in-ring career.I still would've liked it to have been a younger guy to beat him and really make a name for himsel.I cannot begrudge Flair ending things with a match against someone as good as HBK though.

Mayweather vs Show's been really built up well but the match might just turn out to be a farce, how an earth's it going to work? I suppose the uncertainty behind it adds to the interest.

Bunnymania will be the perfect toilet break.It just looks a mess to me.

Finlay vs JBL's been another well done feud, the match might not be much in terms of technique but a good old brawl is always fun.

The battle of the brands between Batisa and Umaga should be full of power moves and not much else.It should be decent though.

Money in the bank might steal the show.I don't think there's one stanout predictable winner and that can only be a good thing.

[Stu]

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[Redmond]

Hey guys, I'm in Florida right now. Off to Mania tomorrow, can't wait!

Went to Mania Rocks The Block at Wall Street Plaza on Thursday, met Paul London, Brian Kendrick, Melina, Jillian, Jimmy Yang and the girl who won the most recent Diva Search. They were all really cool, especially Melina. I've got some good pictures which I'll post when I get back home on Wednesday.:tongue:

[Stu]

Originally posted by Redmond
Hey guys, I'm in Florida right now. Off to Mania tomorrow, can't wait!

Went to Mania Rocks The Block at Wall Street Plaza on Thursday, met Paul London, Brian Kendrick, Melina, Jillian, Jimmy Yang and the girl who won the most recent Diva Search. They were all really cool, especially Melina. I've got some good pictures which I'll post when I get back home on Wednesday.:tongue:
Lucky. I was going to go to Houston next year but the word in orlando is that the travel packages are going on sale much earlier this year. Wedensday to be exact :shocked:.

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[Sarah.]

How lucky are you? haha.

I'm looking forward to Mania now! MITB is looking the best to me so far, I can't wait to watch it. And Floyd Mayweather vs Big Show should be really interesting. I'm not looking forward to seeing Randy lose though, but I guess with HHH being the almost certain new champ, it's better than Cena!

[Redmond]

There's 30% chance of rain tommorow night, so I could be getting wet at the Citrus Bowl. :hugesmile:

Tried to meet CM Punk on the Wednesday at the Wal-Mart but the que was huge so decided not to wait, same with Carlito at the Double Tree Hotel yesterday.

[Sarah.]

You should've gone to Chris Jericho's book signing on Thursday. :tongue:

[Stu]

For those of you who watched the Hall Of Fame on Sky Sports , it was HORRIBLY butchered. Same with USA Network. Flairs speech went an ungodly 90 minuets , meaning roughly one ninth of it was seen on Sky.

Heres the full transcript...

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=208855932

Rock was amazing too last night. Makes you depressed about how nothing or nobody in the business today comes close to him. How I miss him. And JBL was on funny form as usual too.

Cant wait to watch the full hall of fame on DVD.

[Sarah.]

I completely forgot to record it yesterday. I really enjoyed The Rock's speech, he is amazing, I miss him a LOT. But I haven't had chance to watch Flairs induction and I don't think I'd be able to just yet, for 90 minutes, wow.

[Stu]

Originally posted by mrs_rko
I completely forgot to record it yesterday. I really enjoyed The Rock's speech, he is amazing, I miss him a LOT. But I haven't had chance to watch Flairs induction and I don't think I'd be able to just yet, for 90 minutes, wow.
You wont be able to either. The 90 minuets is only going to come with the Wrestlemania DVD. Thats the point im making , the TV version was butchered down to about 10 minuets. Shame , really.

[Dan_]

I've only seen The Rock's speech so far, just seeing that made me realise how much he is missed.

[Stu]

Its pissing in Orlando. Should be interesting. Have a great show everyone. Heres my official picks as posted on the UKFF forum...

WINNERS IN BOLD!


WWE Championship: Randy Orton © vs John Cena vs HHH
I want it to be Triple H , but I think too many people are assuming its going to be him.

World Heavyweight Champion: Edge vs. Undertaker
Again , not my preffered pick. Undertaker better be the Ric Flair of Wrestlemania 25.

Floyd "Money" Mayweather vs. Big Show
Im hoping for a returning star , but thats too hard to pick right now. Big Show has to look strong , so Floyd does a runner while Big Show trashes his crew.

Ric Flair vs. Shawn Michaels (Career Threatening Match)
Theirs no justification at this point for this match NOT to go on last.

Money in the Bank Ladder Match: Chris Jericho vs Shelton Benjamin vs John Morrison vs Carlito vs MVP vs Mr Kennedy vs CM Punk
Its open between three men [you know the three] but im intrigued by the prospect of Kennedy cashing it in on the same night.

SmackDown vs. Raw: Batista vs. Umaga
The only man on the planet who cares about this match is Michael Cole , and if smackdown win , we wont hear the end of it from him for the rest of the show.

24-Man Battle Royal - Winner faces ECW Champion - Chavo vs. Kane
I dont expect Kane to have it for long if he wins. Expect him to be just the guy for the next big ECW heel to topple.

Finlay vs. JBL - Belfast Brawl
Hornswoggle intereferes. Yada yada. Hopefully these two beat the living **** out of each other. Should be fun to watch.

BunnyMania Lumberjack Match: Ashley & Maria vs. The Glamazon & Melina vs. Who Gives A Toss
Late third team entered. Their my picks :p.

[Dan_]

WWE Championship Match
Triple Threat Match
Randy Orton (c) vs. John Cena vs. Triple H
A few weeks back most thought Triple H would win but there's quite a few swaying towards Cena now.I'm going to stick with predicting that the game will win this one, he's not had a proper reign in a while now so cannot see it staying that way.

World Heavyweight Championship Match
Edge (c) vs. The Undertaker
Edge has held the title for a while now and we all know about Taker's record at Mania.I can only see taker extending that winning run and have the lengthly title reign that he was meant to have last year.

Career Threatening Match
Ric Flair vs HBK Shawn Michaels.
The fat lady is standing in waiting as this will be the end of Flair in my view.It's all set up for an excellent match against a fellow great on the grandest stage of them all.Thank you and goodnight Mr.Flair.WOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Money In The Bank Ladder Match
Mr. Kennedy vs. Chris Jericho vs. Shelton Benjamin vs. Carlito vs. MVP vs. CM Punk vs. John Morrison
This was all lined up for a Jeff Hardy win until he ****ed up and failed the drugs test.This leaves 4 possible winners in my eyes and Kennedy will be the one to prevail.

Raw vs. SmackDown
Umaga vs. Batista
Batista to win the battle of the big men.What good or purpose it serves? Don't ask me.

The Biggest vs. The Best
Big Show vs. Floyd Mayweather
The most unpredictable of all the matches on the card.My first thought was a draw to allow for both of them to come out with some credibility, that was until the rules got announced.I'm now thinking Mayweather to get a win via pinfall after someone helps him take out Show,in turn setting up a new feud for Show.

Belfast Brawl
Finlay vs. JBL
I did consider Finaly winning after interference from Hornswoggle but for something just tells me that JBL will get the win, maybe with help from Vince.

ECW Championship Match
Chavo Guerrero (c) vs. Raw/SmackDown/ECW Battle Royal Winner
Kane to win the battle royal but lose against Chavo after some cheating.

BunnyMania Lumberjack Match
Ashley & Maria vs. Beth Phoenix & Melina
maria and ashley win. maria pins Beth setting up a feud between Maria and Beth over the belt.

Enjoy the show guys.

[Sarah.]

I am still shocked that Randy Orton retained! Take that Amy21! It was shorter than I expected and I thought it was going to close the show but I'm so happy Randy retained.
The MITB was perhaps my favourite match, some of the stuff they did was amazing. And After Jericho, my second pick was CM Punk, so I'm happy for him. Shelton amazed me during that match too.
Ric vs Shawn was really sad and I actually had a tear in my eye when he lost. I actually thought it was a good match too
Edge vs Taker was a good match to close the show. It was pretty predictable because they weren't going to end Taker's streak really.
Mayweather vs Big Show was boring, I didn't enjoy it and thought it was pretty pointless that Mayweather got the win after one shot.

The rest was alright but those were the main matches. I was expecting it to be predictable but I sure as hell didn't see Randy retaining.

[Nicky.]

Im not really a fan of wresting myself, but my brother is like mad on it - stayed at hsi mates house till 4am last night watching Wrestle Mania, then walked home ( its like a hlf an hour walk ) lol

He has loads of autographs and like action man figure style wrestlers, apparently there worth quite a bit now x =)

[Redmond]

Didn't get back in till about 1am (US time) last night, the crowds of people trying to get out fo the Citrus Bowl stadium was insane!

The show was ace though, the stadium looked amazing and the crowd was really loud for most of the night (don't know how we came across on TV?).

Cena got a hell of a lot of boos and Flair definitely got the biggest cheers of the night.

The MITB match was brilliant, Flair/HBK was great and both Raw and SD main events were very good.

The fans were bored during the Mayweather/Big Show match, chanting "we want wrestling", but we picked up a bit when Show started beating him up.

The Snoop Dogg clothesline to Santino got a big pop and a Snoop chant started.:hugesmile:

There was a qutie a few Orton fans near me and a fair few of us were happy he retained.

At the end of the night during the fireworks after Taker won, one of the fireworks fell into the crowd right in the upper section. On the local news this morning it says a couple of people were taken to hospital!

Overall it was a fantastic show, I've also been to Mania 21 and 22 and although the matches on those shows were overall better, I think the atmosphere and the size of the arena made this feel more like Wrestlemania.

[Stu]

My wrestlemania thoughts. Im not going to rant on about the matches themselves too much , rather just write whatever comes to mind.



***



Absoloutely fantastic show. Not from start to finish , and not completely perfect , but to say its anything below average or even rate it amongst the worst of the Wrestlemanias is absoloute insanity. People are allowed their opinions alright so heres mine : some people need to hang their brain up , tune out of reality , and tune into the product while watching a wwe show. Just enjoy it for what it is.

The opening shots were fantastic. The Citrus Bowl looked much better in daylight , and would look worse as the night went on. The opening pyro was rubbish , but forgiveable seeing as they did not want to blow too much of it while it was not yet dark.

Finlay Vs. JBL was a lot more 'hardcore' than I expected it to be , and thats fine by me. I was expecting a Benoit/JBL esque hard hitting match with zero gimmicks , instead this match was trash cans galore. Still , both men looked as though they worked hard to rush right out of the gates and the crowd responded by staying loud for the duration of this match.

Best Money In The Bank ever? I would say so , in the short term. As a match , it was without a doubt one of the most impressive , fast paced spotfests I have ever seen. Morrisons moonsault with Ladder on board was unreal. Shelton Benjamins ladder collapsing from under him as he hopped form ladder to ladder also added a nice touch of something different. The spot where a ladder was planted vertically into a flat ladder , with a number of subsequent moves performed in and around it , was also fantastic. Matt Hardys return was of course , fantastic. He looked for a moment as if he were going to run up their and grab the briefcase for himself. Although I wanted Kennedy to win purely to see what would become of his promise of cashing it in that night , I was happy with the unpredictable Punk win.

A distracted crowd , some obviously not working submission spots , and zero chemistry seriously let Batista Vs. Umaga down. Even Michael Cole was quiet during this one. Nothing seemed important and the whole Smackdown Vs. Raw thing never translated. A surprise piss break.

Chavo & Kane? Who cares about the match , it was the commentary team of Joey Styles and Taz I felt sorry for. Not much to say really. Cant say the porspect of anything more than a 15 second match between them would have interested me.

Flairs match was a strange one for me. From this point on in the card , everything happened in reverse order to what I would have liked it to happen in. The fact that Flair and Michaels did not go on last in the Naitchs swan song was a difficult pill for me to swallow. Still , I got it down , and once I did , I was able to enjoy a fantastic match. It was one of those matches where you really did not know if they were battered , or just really , really good at selling. The finish had me in tears before the ref's hand even hit the mat. Ric seemingly accepting his faith , and an unwilling Shawn apologising before superkicking him , gave me goose bumps. Once the bell had rang , Shawns immediate embrace of Flair and subsequent departure was very well done , leaving the arena floor alone to just the 70,000 plus screaming fans and the Naitch - to take his long - final - walk back to the dressing room as an active competitor.

After the greatest wrestler who ever lived made it back stage in his last match , we cut to a Todd Grisham interview , Todd seemingly dismissing what just happened as any other event on Wrestlemania. Ouch. That pills come back up my throat.

Take away Snoop Doggs almost non existent appearance , and what you have next is just another diva segment from raw. With just another Jerry 'The King' Lawler decking Santino Marella , who really deserved more mic time than this entire matches run time.

Damn I hate triple threats. Especially when nothing but a giant floodlight illuminates the proceedings. And ESPECIALLY when they are not given enough time to build and develop. Hey , at least we still have two faces chasing a heel , and some title changes to still look foward to at Backlash and beyond. Still , why did Orton have to get a fluke what-the-****-just-happened win?

Mayweather time next. And when its all said and done , this could have been much better , with much more suspense , but it also could have been an absoloute disaster had Mayweather posessed the dedication of your average Snoop Dogg. Mayweather flew around , managed to convince as both a chickenshit running for his life and a cocky prick [at the same time!] , and was all in all , pefectly acceptable in his role. Now please , wwe , dont **** up the Big Show.

Can you say 'Ultimate Opportunist'? Because Michael Cole sure can. And he let his only creative nickname he has ever given to a wrestler take center stage in this flat tyre Wrestlemania main event. As embarrasing as Coach is on commentary , Cole is just as bad at times , and who has been commentating big shows for longer? I maintian my position that Cole is just far too blunt and business like. His commentary is completely stripped of any personality or passion whatsoever. Oh yeah , the match. I sort of tuned out for a lot of it. The finish had me jumping for joy as I thought their was NO CHANCE IN HELL the Undertaker could kick out of a second spear. And he certainly did not. Instead he countered the best heel in the game today with what Cole likes to call ''That submission choke''. Please , Taker , just be next years Ric Flair and get your arse to the UFC. Id rather not watch the same victory celebration Wrestlemania 13 had 11 years later.


***


So their we have it. An entertaining , yet frustrating show. Theirs no sour taste in the mouth , thankfully , but the mouth is definately watering to the prospect of a 'new' slate of wwe tv to lead us into Wrestlemania 25.

[Redmond]

Oh yeah forgot to mention Hardy's return, the crowd went nuts for that!

Off to Raw tonight which is at the Amway arena here in Orlando, should be a good show, see what new feuds are going to be set up post Mania.

[Redmond]

Just got back from Raw, amazing night, Flair's farewell was very emotional and it was great to see all the wrestlers past and present come out and say their thanks. The Taker and Vince moments were great. Great to be part of such a historic moment. :laugh:

[Dan_]

I thought Mania was on the whole a really good ppv and better than the ones in the last few years.

Kane was a good choice to win the battle royal.I've wanted him over on ECW for a while where he can become the dominant monster he deserves to be.The match against Chavo was just pathetic though for a title match.Who did Chavo piss off?

JBL vs Finaly-As far as brawls go this was a cracker.The inclusion of Hornswoggle was a nice touch,loved the little sneak attack and he sold that slap and tash can shot well haha.Best spot was Finlay's dive outside,straight into that garbage can lid.***/5

Money in the bank-One thing you can expect from this match is an entertaining spot fest and thats just what it delivered.All the spots were well thought out, the first two involving Morrison stood out though.What a way for Matt Hardy to return!I thought Kennedy would win but CM Punk was one of the 4 that I definitely considered and was happy with him winning, just hope he doesn't waste it on another ECW title shot.****/5

Batista vs Umaga-This one disappointed me to be honest.It was obviously never going to be much else than a power match but it just seemed to be missing an edge.From Umaga dominating to a couple sloppy moves from Batista and that was it.**/5

Ric Flair vs Shawn Michaels.I take back all I said about wanting Flair to lose to a young guy as a method of putting them over.This was well and truly the best match of the night and everything you could ask for as an end to Flair.Him and HBK just had that chemistry to make it work.What on earth this was doing on in the middle of the event is beyond me.The ending with HBK whispering "I'm sorry" was just so emotional.Thanks for the memories Flair,wooooo! *****/5

Bunnymania.Just your normal diva tag match, slightly surprised that the heel team went over.Highlight was that clothesline from Snoop Dogg to Santino,JBL eat your heart out.1/2 *

Orton vs Cena vs Triple H-They set such a quick pace in this one that it just felt like it flew by.A good match with a surprising but pleasing winner.****/5

Mayweather vs Big Show-It was always going to be interesting to see how this one turned out and overall I liked it.The cat like quickness of Floyd to just dodge Shows attacks and get in with attacks of his own were hilarious.Good on Floyd for his approach to things and actually taking some wrestling moves.Things worked out good with Mayweather having to use weapons to win.***/5

Undertaker vs Edge-This was booked really well, always enjoy the matches with multiple close calls that just keep you on the edge of your seat.Only just behind Flair vs HBk for match of the night, brilliant from both guys and just went to show why both are main eventers.****half/5

On a side note.Watch out Asa Powell,your record for the 100m might be in danger with Charles Robinson around.

Overall rating ****/5

[Stu]

An update on the Flair situation : According to various news sources on the internet , Flair was offered the main event , but turned it down , saying the championships should be the most important thing on the show.

Class act!

[Dan_]

He certainly is a class act.

Raw was brilliant last night.The tribute to Flair was truly excellent, chocked me up a bit seeing that.Thank you Ric, there's certainly never going to be anyone like you again.

Orton vs JBL is an intriguing feud, two of the best heels who do anything to win.JBL is the ultimate arsehole though so it may lead to fans cheering Orton.

Matt Hardy might be taking Jeff's push, he's really deserving of it.

Couple of good tag team matches.Kendrick is still looking at turning heel to me.Great to see Cryme Tyme back to breed a bit of fun into the division

Punk vs Jericho was another good match.

Santino continues to provide the much needed comedy.When are him and Lawler going to have a proper match?

Looks like Big Show's going to stay face and have a battle of the giants with Khali, they wont exactly be much of a spectacle in terms of wrestling but at least it might be interesting to see if the ring stays up.

[Ruth*Star]

I Burst out in tears watching RAW, it was that moving and amazing.

[Sarah.]

I watched Ric Flair's tribute thing, I cried too. It was so awesome to see them all come out and thank him like that. I might add that when Y2J hugged Flair, it was so cute, haha. Haven't watched the rest of RAW yet.

[Redmond]

Back home now. Got lots of photos that I'm just loading on to my computer, will post them later. Got a couple of good ones of Orton, as I know he has some big fans on here. :laugh:

[Redmond]

That's where I was sat, took the picture as soon as I got in.

http://s194.photobucket.com/albums/z230/Redmond88/?action=view&current=S7000364.jpg

[Sarah.]

Wow, those seats were really good! Can't wait to see the Orton pics! :tongue: Got any of Jericho? lol.

[Ruth*Star]

Brilliant Seats, close to the action as well. Thanks for posting.

[Redmond]

Originally posted by mrs_rko
Wow, those seats were really good! Can't wait to see the Orton pics! :tongue: Got any of Jericho? lol.

The Jericho ones didn't come out real good. People kept getting in the way.

I'm just uploading all of the photos to Photobucket now, so I can just post a link to all of them, instead of doing it one by one.

[Redmond]

Right here is a slideshow of all my Mania photos. I'll upload the Raw ones tomorrow.

http://s194.photobucket.com/albums/z230/Redmond88/Wrestlemania%2024/?albumview=slideshow

[Ruth*Star]

Great Pictures, the ones of the fireworks are phenomenal.

[Redmond]

Thanks.

Here's just a few more of when I met London, Kendrick, Melina, Jillian, Jimmy Yang and the Diva Search winner, who I've forgotten the name of.

http://s194.photobucket.com/albums/z230/Redmond88/Wrestlemania%20Rocks%20The%20Block/

As you can see Kendrick was just happily smoking a cigarette. :laugh: I didn't think Jillian was that attractive up close, far too much make up. Melina on the otherhand was very pretty and sweet too, she actually took the time to talk. There's a couple of photos of Mean Gene and Hillbilly Jim singing too. :hugesmile:

[Sarah.]

Isn't it Lena? She didn't win the diva search, that was Eve. lol.
Great pics, i love the pics of the set you took, and the one of Jericho. :tongue:

[Dan_]

Great photos Redmond, thanks for sharing.

[Ruth*Star]

Melina looks lovely in those pictures, i love her hairstyle.

[Redmond]

More bad news for the WWE:


It what may prove to be another mark against WWE's reputation, police in Locust Grove, GA are investigating a case where a man has found stacks of drugs and steroids, along with needles in his home that are not his. The house used to be owned by an unnamed WWE wrestler.

The Locust Grove man showed FOX 5 News where his daughter stumbled upon the disturbing find in the attic of their home.

"It was actually pushed over closer to this wall," said the homeowner as he pointed to a nearby wall.

The homeowner was referring to two shoe boxes that contained several small bottles labeled as testosterone, neomasteron -- which is also an anabolic steroid -- some bottles with no markings at all and there were numerous unopened syringes.

Asked what his thoughts were upon discovering the drugs, the homeowner said "well being the fact that I have children I was horrified because my kids actually play up in that room and so the first thing I thought is what if there were to open that and they would have gotten a hold of the stuff and the syringes."

The shoeboxes also contained personal documents with the name of a man who used to live in the house.

Among those documents was a contract from the W.W.E. and a memorandum to W.W.E. superstars in 2004 about the new dress code.

Police will not release the wrestler's name until they have spoken to him. It must be noted that it is not illegal if there are prescriptions written by a doctor for the drugs and if this dates back several years the person wouldn't have broken the Wellness Policy.

[Redmond]

The wrestler is confirmed to have been Mike Knox.

[Dan_]

Raw wasn't very good this week in my opinion.

Ashley just doesn't have the ability to be a wrestler, why they keep her on Raw is kinda puzzling to me.

The tag matches London & Kendrick vs Cade & Murdoch and Carlito & Santino Marella vs Hardcore Holly & Cody Rhodes were just very poor matches.

I don't like the route they are going with the fatal four way.Why can't Orton just have a few singles matches.Why's Cena getting another title shot?

The only good thing is the feud developing between HBK and Batista.

[Stu]

Why is Hardcore Holly still employed. His almost as uncharismatic as Cody ''Default'' Rhodes , and he has been with the company for much , much longer. All this backstage ''respect Hardcore Holly'' crap is rubbish. Why respect him? What the hell has he done? Im no expert , but WWE really needs to wake up a bit backstage.

Recall a couple of weeks ago Coachman failed to get out of the way and act like a scared twat when the Undertaker came near the announce table. Post show , repots said he had to get multiple finisher moves off various wrestlers as some sort of silly sentence handed down via backstage ''Wrestlers Court''. Thats putting an announcer , not a wrestler , at risk to injury because of some silly little honor system.

[Sarah.]

The whole Fatal 4 way sucks. I wish Orton would have a feud one on one with someone. I'm sick of HHH and Cena already.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Why is Hardcore Holly still employed. His almost as uncharismatic as Cody ''Default'' Rhodes , and he has been with the company for much , much longer. All this backstage ''respect Hardcore Holly'' c**p is rubbish. Why respect him? What the hell has he done? Im no expert , but WWE really needs to wake up a bit backstage.

Recall a couple of weeks ago Coachman failed to get out of the way and act like a scared t*** when the Undertaker came near the announce table. Post show , repots said he had to get multiple finisher moves off various wrestlers as some sort of silly sentence handed down via backstage ''Wrestlers Court''. Thats putting an announcer , not a wrestler , at risk to injury because of some silly little honor system.

Hardcore Holly's just a bully that stays around to hand a bit of hard justice to anyone who steps out of line.It's pathetic.

[Redmond]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Why is Hardcore Holly still employed. His almost as uncharismatic as Cody ''Default'' Rhodes , and he has been with the company for much , much longer. All this backstage ''respect Hardcore Holly'' c**p is rubbish. Why respect him? What the hell has he done? Im no expert , but WWE really needs to wake up a bit backstage.

Recall a couple of weeks ago Coachman failed to get out of the way and act like a scared t*** when the Undertaker came near the announce table. Post show , repots said he had to get multiple finisher moves off various wrestlers as some sort of silly sentence handed down via backstage ''Wrestlers Court''. Thats putting an announcer , not a wrestler , at risk to injury because of some silly little honor system.

Or don't believe everything you hear on dirtsheet websites.

Yeah some stuff like that goes on, but most rumours are false.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Redmond
Originally posted by Morpheus
Why is Hardcore Holly still employed. His almost as uncharismatic as Cody ''Default'' Rhodes , and he has been with the company for much , much longer. All this backstage ''respect Hardcore Holly'' c**p is rubbish. Why respect him? What the hell has he done? Im no expert , but WWE really needs to wake up a bit backstage.

Recall a couple of weeks ago Coachman failed to get out of the way and act like a scared t*** when the Undertaker came near the announce table. Post show , repots said he had to get multiple finisher moves off various wrestlers as some sort of silly sentence handed down via backstage ''Wrestlers Court''. Thats putting an announcer , not a wrestler , at risk to injury because of some silly little honor system.

Or don't believe everything you hear on dirtsheet websites.

Yeah some stuff like that goes on, but most rumours are false.
A lot of rumors are false yes , but this Coachman stuff was seen by 7,000 people at a Smackdown event , so I would believe it.

[Ruth*Star]

I hate the fatal 4 way aswell, i think it sucks, i'd rather see JBL vs. Randy tbh, or Randy vs. HHH, Why does Cena have to be in yet another title match, its so stale, they could have had Cena feud with Kennedy or something.
John in title matches is just like boring.

[Redmond]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by Redmond
Originally posted by Morpheus
Why is Hardcore Holly still employed. His almost as uncharismatic as Cody ''Default'' Rhodes , and he has been with the company for much , much longer. All this backstage ''respect Hardcore Holly'' c**p is rubbish. Why respect him? What the hell has he done? Im no expert , but WWE really needs to wake up a bit backstage.

Recall a couple of weeks ago Coachman failed to get out of the way and act like a scared t*** when the Undertaker came near the announce table. Post show , repots said he had to get multiple finisher moves off various wrestlers as some sort of silly sentence handed down via backstage ''Wrestlers Court''. Thats putting an announcer , not a wrestler , at risk to injury because of some silly little honor system.

Or don't believe everything you hear on dirtsheet websites.

Yeah some stuff like that goes on, but most rumours are false.
A lot of rumors are false yes , but this Coachman stuff was seen by 7,000 people at a Smackdown event , so I would believe it.

Oh it happened in the ring? Ah fair enough. I thought you meant it happened backstage.

And I don't mind the fatal four-way match, seeing as last week I thought they were going for a JBL v Orton feud, having Cena and Triple H added is a saving grace.

I think the Cena hate is a bit old now, he obviously is the biggest star in the WWE at the moment based on the reactions he gets, both positive and negative and whether we like it or not lots of people pay to see him and lots of people buy his merchandise, so he will be always in the main events.

I reckon Orton will retain the title by pinning JBL. Cena will be off to film his new movie and we'll probably have a Orton v Triple H in Hell in the Cell at Judgement Day.

[Dan_]

I wouldn't have minded a JBL vs Orton feud,having two of the top heels in the company in feud is something a bit different.I think it would've been interestring rather than this fatal four way.

People will pay to see him and buy his merchandise however long as he stays babyface.I don't think he needs to be challenging for the title all the time, there's other feuds out there for him that don't revolve around the title.

[Ruth*Star]

Exactly, seeing him going after the title all a time is just repetitive and boring.

[Sarah.]

Woooo, I'm off to Nottingham tomorrow for the RAW houseshow and Chris Jericho book signing, hopefully I'll get some great pics. :tongue: I'm so excited! lol.
I'm going to a SD houseshow on Wednesday too so this week is gonna be awesome.

[Ruth*Star]

Hope you have a good time tomorrow and Wednesday, hope the pictures come out great.

[Sarah.]

djfieyr83437946f I met Jericho! xD Twice. :P

Here's the pics from the signing;
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd53/sexybeast_y2j/S7300120.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd53/sexybeast_y2j/S7300122.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd53/sexybeast_y2j/S7300124.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd53/sexybeast_y2j/S7300125.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd53/sexybeast_y2j/S7300127.jpg
<3
I got up to him and he said Hi and then "that's an old school shirt" and i was like "mmmm" and then i pose for a photo but he wasn't looking lol, then I get the courage to say "I made something for you" and i got out a special fan book i made for him, but the guards tried to take it from me, but Jericho being a class guy that he is, said "no guys, she can give it me," then he said "thankyou so much" xD
Oh and, I got picked for an interview, so Jericho was in the background while I was being interviewed, with a WWE mic and everything :tongue: and they said I might be on RAW tonight xD I signed a contract and everything so i hope i'm on, lol.

the rest of my pics, my friend has, I met about 10 of the guys, including Chris Jericho again, Paul Birchall, DH Smith, Val Venis, Cody Rhodes, Katie Lea, Mickie James, Santino Marella and Brian Kendrick, also got to talk to some of them too.
Show was amazing too. But I'm too tired to write about it, haha.

[Ruth*Star]

I read this on Ortonized but It'd be so cool if you get to go on RAW.
LOVE the top Chris is wearing.

[Dan_]

Anyone watch ECW this week? That new commentator, Mike Adamle, what a great addition he is :whistle:.Wont be long until he's a hall of famer.

Mike 'Awesome' Adamle in all his glory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEBwEXBbIqk

[Ruth*Star]

Oh yeah, i watched ECW last night and the amount of mistakes he made was unreal.

BRING BACK JOEY!

[Stu]

You can consider me an ECW viewer once again. Just for the perverse pleasure of his shitastic commentary.

[Sarah.]

lol, i never saw the point in hiring him in the first place.

"Jamaking me crazy".. lmao.

[Stu]

Apparently , he is on 400,000 a year.

To do what exactly , im not sure. Even Kim Kardashian had more charisma than him holding the mic at WrestleMania.

[Dan_]

Who hired him anyway? He's obviously not got a clue about wrestling.Ah well at least it gives me another reason to watch ECW.

"Reach out and touch someone Michael!" Lmao.

I feel sorry for 'The Tazz' having to babysit this moron.He'll ask for more dance segments in the show just to get away from him.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Dan_
Who hired him anyway?

Im assuming its all part of their ongoing facination with hiring awkward , nerdy presenters with funny names and funny voices. Are my right Jack Korpella?

[Dan_]

Some odd things going on in WWE this week, presumably to try and create a bit of controversy and mystery to get the ratings up.

Regal becoming the ultimate heel by having Triple H vs Randy Orton cut off before the match had even ended.

Trevor Murdoch losing a match, having a bit of a fallout with his tag team partner, Lance Cade.Then standing on the announce table and singing an old country song lol.

Then Vickie Guerrero abuses her power and strips Undertaker of the world title.

Finally Mighty Mike Adamle walks off of ECW during the main event and Tazz follows him out lol.Adamle's only been in the job three weeks but does something daft each week to get the fans talking.Is this frequent botching all just a work?

Don't cry Mike.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8552/6999550nb7.jpg

[Sarah.]

Maybe it's something to do with Regal? Seeing as he's the 'King of WWE'.

[Dan_]

You're probably right.They seem to be wanting to make Regal into the power mad king of WWE now.He's great at getting the fans to dislike him and these latest actions will only solidify him as a top heel.

These storylines are all a bit too random for me though.

[Riz]

omg. im so over wrestling.. its sooo fake!.. dont know how people watch it..!

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Rizwan
omg. Im so over wrestling.. its sooo fake!.. dont know how people watch it..!

Eastenders is fake, don't stop people watching that lol.

The thing with wrestling, if you get past the whole fake thing it's just like plenty of other tv shows.It's their for entertainment with the various storylines within it and you can appreciate the athleticism and technique of the actual moves and enjoy the matches.

[JohnCenaFan]

Oh what a shame Randy Orton is no longer WWE champion no more :bigsmile: lol in your face Mrs_Rko and all you John Cena haters. 6 months title reign for Randy Orton that is rubbish. You see John Cena is still the best WWE champion ever. He is a 3 time WWE champion who had long title reigns. Doesnt take a genuis to work out that John Cena is the better man :bigsmile:. John Cena makes more money for the WWE than Randy Orton and any other wrestler and you cant deny that. Randy Orton will go back to being a mid carder then will job to everyone on the roster and then will hopefully be fired. And John Cena will get the WWE title back off Triple H and then the John Cena era can continue :bigsmile:. John Cena NEVER lost the WWE title so he WILL get it back. Randy Orton era is over!!!!!. The John Cena era is coming :bigsmile:.

And I see Randy Orton has gone back to his old ways with his bad behaviour:

411mania:

Randy Orton had another incident on the recent European tour. Orton was upset that the hotel staff woke him up earlier than he scheduled. Orton then put clothes on, took his food from room service, went down the hall and threw the food on the staff that woke him up. Orton reportedly laughed after the incident and went back to his room.

^Tut, tut Randy Orton will NEVER change. He is a drug taker, a cheater, a liar, and he as bad behaviour problems. He doesnt deserve his WWE job. He should be fired. And he certainly shouldnt be having a kid with that stupid wife Sam. He isnt fit to be a dad with his behaviour problems. I pity the child having a dad like him. That Sam wife should find someone better as Randy Orton isnt fit to be a boyfriend or a husband. And you know I have read that he lost the WWE title at Backlash because of this incident. Well serves him right. He should learn to behave like a normal human being not a 5 year old child. Randy Orton needs to grow up fast.

[Scarlett.]

I wonder if anyone will be eating humble pie :wink:

[Matt]

Originally posted by Chewy
I wonder if anyone will be eating humble pie :wink:

Maybe we should bake some just in case :laugh:

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by Matt
Originally posted by Chewy
I wonder if anyone will be eating humble pie :wink:

Maybe we should bake some just in case :laugh: Good idea, I'll get right on it:laugh:

[GiRTh]

Thats amazing. I was just thinking about Humble Pie.:joker:

[Matt]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Thats amazing. I was just thinking about Humble Pie.:joker:

Really? I wonder where you got that idea... :laugh3:

[JohnCenaFan]

Originally posted by Chewy
I wonder if anyone will be eating humble pie :wink:

Humble pie for you Stropz. You certainly need it lol. I dont need humble pie.

[Matt]

Originally posted by JohnCenaFan

Humble pie for you Stropz. You certainly need it lol. I dont need humble pie.

Wrong way round! :wink:

[Scarlett.]

Lol I aint Stropz, I only recently met "Stropz" on another forum, she is legend

[JohnCenaFan]

Originally posted by Chewy
Lol I aint Stropz, I only recently met "Stropz" on another forum, she is legend

You ARE Stropz. Dont lie. Stropz you are NOT a legend.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by JohnCenaFan
Originally posted by Chewy
Lol I aint Stropz, I only recently met "Stropz" on another forum, she is legend

You ARE Stropz. Dont lie. Stropz you are NOT a legend. I'm laughing too much. I cant post.:laugh3:

[JohnCenaFan]

Originally posted by Matt
Wrong way round! :wink:

No I have it the right way round Matt :bigsmile:.

[Matt]

Originally posted by GiRTh

I'm laughing too much. I cant post.:laugh3: [/quote]

I know - my sides have split! :laugh2::laugh2:

[JohnCenaFan]

Originally posted by GiRTh
I'm laughing too much. I cant post.:laugh3:

Ok whatever Geoff :bigsmile:.

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by JohnCenaFan
Originally posted by Chewy
Lol I aint Stropz, I only recently met "Stropz" on another forum, she is legend

You ARE Stropz. Dont lie. Stropz you are NOT a legend. Lol.....
Seriously WTF

[Dan_]

Originally posted by JohnCenaFan
Originally posted by Chewy
Lol I aint Stropz, I only recently met "Stropz" on another forum, she is legend

You ARE Stropz. Dont lie. Stropz you are NOT a legend.

She is a legend and you cant deny that :laugh:

[Matt]

Originally posted by Dan_

She is a legend and you cant deny that :laugh:

Certainly more legendary than that Amy21 who was also banned a while back... :whistle:

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Matt
Originally posted by Dan_

She is a legend and you cant deny that :laugh:

Certainly more legendary than that Amy21 who was also banned a while back... :whistle: Stropz is a hall of famer. Unlike that irritant Amy21.

[Sarah.]

ROFLLMAO! Oh my god.. I seriously can't stop laughing! LMAOOOOO!

I'm not even going to reply to your utter deludedness, nothing I say seems to make any difference to your obsessive love for Cena. ROFLLLL.

[JohnCenaFan]

Originally posted by mrs_rko
ROFLLMAO! Oh my god.. I seriously can't stop laughing! LMAOOOOO!

I'm not even going to reply to your utter deludedness, nothing I say seems to make any difference to your obsessive love for Cena. ROFLLLL.

More like your lost for words along with you being gutted because your precious Randy Orton is no longer WWE champion :bigsmile: lol. So what deal with it. John Cena is the better man and will always be :bigsmile:. You just cant admit that when really you should.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by JohnCenaFan
Originally posted by mrs_rko
ROFLLMAO! Oh my god.. I seriously can't stop laughing! LMAOOOOO!

I'm not even going to reply to your utter deludedness, nothing I say seems to make any difference to your obsessive love for Cena. ROFLLLL.

More like your lost for words along with you being gutted because your precious Randy Orton is no longer WWE champion :bigsmile: lol. So what deal with it. John Cena is the better man and will always be :bigsmile:. You just cant admit that when really you should. How do you know she's a Randy Orton fan. Amy, have you even convinced yourself that you're not Amy21. Well done.:spin2:

[JohnCenaFan]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Certainly more legendary than that Amy21 who was also banned a while back... :whistle: Stropz is a hall of famer. Unlike that irritant Amy21. [/quote]

Stropz ISNT a legend and will NEVER be one. And I am the REAL legend here :bigsmile:. I should be in the Hall of Fame :bigsmile:. I am NOT irritant :mad:.

[Jack]

Originally posted by JohnCenaFan
Stropz ISNT a legend and will NEVER be one. And I am the REAL legend here :bigsmile:. I should be in the Hall of Fame :bigsmile:. I am NOT irritant :mad:.

I thought you were new though? :laugh2:

[Matt]

Originally posted by JohnCenaFan

Stropz ISNT a legend and will NEVER be one. And I am the REAL legend here :bigsmile:. I should be in the Hall of Fame :bigsmile:. I am NOT irritant :mad:.

But I thought you weren't Amy21? :thumbs2:

[Scarlett.]

The general concenus says Stropz is legend

[Sarah.]

Originally posted by JohnCenaFan
Originally posted by mrs_rko
ROFLLMAO! Oh my god.. I seriously can't stop laughing! LMAOOOOO!

I'm not even going to reply to your utter deludedness, nothing I say seems to make any difference to your obsessive love for Cena. ROFLLLL.

More like your lost for words along with you being gutted because your precious Randy Orton is no longer WWE champion :bigsmile: lol. So what deal with it. John Cena is the better man and will always be :bigsmile:. You just cant admit that when really you should.

Yes, Triple H is the champion. Good observation there. :bigsmile: Hey, I hate him but hell, it's better than a repetitive, boring John Cena reign. :bigsmile:
EAT HUMBLE PIE!11!!!

[JohnCenaFan]

Originally posted by Dan_
She is a legend and you cant deny that :laugh:

Stropz is NOT a legend. Get over yourself :rolleyes:.

[Dan_]

Amy's a legend in her own living room, the only competition she has is a rat and mouldy bit of cheese.

[Matt]

Originally posted by JohnCenaFan

Stropz is NOT a legend. Get over yourself :rolleyes:.

Stropz IS a legend. Get over yourself :rolleyes:.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Matt
Originally posted by JohnCenaFan

Stropz is NOT a legend. Get over yourself :rolleyes:.

Stropz IS a legend. Get over yourself :rolleyes:.

She tried to do that and got stuck up her own backside and now she talks out of it.As evident by all her posts on here.

[Matt]

Originally posted by Dan_

She tried to do that and got stuck up her own backside and now she talks out of it.As evident by all her posts on here.

Haha - I never noticed :laugh:

[Dan_]

Back on topic.What does everyone think of Mr.Kennedy becoming a babyface? I think he could become one of the biggest fan faves in the WWE.

[Ruth*Star]

I'm happy he's a babyface, he could be a big fan fave and a future wwe champion.

[Dan_]

Jeff Hardy coming back from suspension on Raw last night was a welcome surprise :cheer2:.His new music is pretty kick arse and all.

[Stu]

Fire King and get JBL back on commentary. His match with Cena last night was hideous. The same thing happened to Cena what with happened to Jericho.

You get put in a storyline with JBL and suddenly your having **** matches with no momentum.

Also , thank **** I did not pay 20 euro to watch that show. I dont appreciate bait and switch jobs on my world heavyweight championship matches.

At least its still vaccant , which I like. Hopefully Edge wins it back. Business and creative are both better with the GOOD GUY chasing THE BAD GUY [take note , before you decide to give Cena the title for over a year again].

[Sarah.]

Yeah, didn't seem worth the money. I'm glad I didn't buy it.

[Axiom]

Did anybody watch ECW last night? The commentary was absolutely medicore! Adamle and Tazz couldn't remember where the winner of the Singapore Cane match at ONS was going to have the title shot! Adamle even said "And the winner of the Singapore Cane match will get a title shot at...erm One Night Stand." What a bum.

[Dan_]

I did see it, pretty cringeworthy as usual.Is it just me or does Tazz seem to have given up caring? He just seems to make a joke out of Adamle and forget what he is doing after that.

Adamle's slightly improved after a dreadful debut but he's still nowhere near good enough.Jamaican me crazy Mike!

[Axiom]

Originally posted by Dan_
I did see it, pretty cringeworthy as usual.Is it just me or does Tazz seem to have given up caring? He just seems to make a joke out of Adamle and forget what he is doing after that.

Adamle's slightly improved after a dreadful debut but he's still nowhere near good enough.Jamaican me crazy Mike!

I agree. When Shelton came out to join them on commentary, it was such a relief.

[Sarah.]

ECW's so bad right now I don't even watch it..


DOI!
That segment with Jericho/Cryme Tyme/ Vince McMahon was the funniest thing I've seen in a longgg time.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by horcrux92
Originally posted by Dan_
I did see it, pretty cringeworthy as usual.Is it just me or does Tazz seem to have given up caring? He just seems to make a joke out of Adamle and forget what he is doing after that.

Adamle's slightly improved after a dreadful debut but he's still nowhere near good enough.Jamaican me crazy Mike!

I agree. When Shelton came out to join them on commentary, it was such a relief.

Just a shame Mike's always calling him Sheldon :rolleyes:

I liked it when Miz and Morrison really took the piss out of him a few weeks back.

[Axiom]

Originally posted by Dan_
Originally posted by horcrux92
Originally posted by Dan_
I did see it, pretty cringeworthy as usual.Is it just me or does Tazz seem to have given up caring? He just seems to make a joke out of Adamle and forget what he is doing after that.

Adamle's slightly improved after a dreadful debut but he's still nowhere near good enough.Jamaican me crazy Mike!

I agree. When Shelton came out to join them on commentary, it was such a relief.

Just a shame Mike's always calling him Sheldon :rolleyes:

I liked it when Miz and Morrison really took the p**s out of him a few weeks back.

Lol yeah! Doesn't anyone find it weird that CM Punk holds the MitB briefcase yet he seems to have been on a losing streak lately? I read somwhere that he heas major backstage heat on him for "not living up to his reputation" apparently :conf2:

[Dan_]

Originally posted by horcrux92
Originally posted by Dan_
Originally posted by horcrux92
Originally posted by Dan_
I did see it, pretty cringeworthy as usual.Is it just me or does Tazz seem to have given up caring? He just seems to make a joke out of Adamle and forget what he is doing after that.

Adamle's slightly improved after a dreadful debut but he's still nowhere near good enough.Jamaican me crazy Mike!

I agree. When Shelton came out to join them on commentary, it was such a relief.

Just a shame Mike's always calling him Sheldon :rolleyes:

I liked it when Miz and Morrison really took the p**s out of him a few weeks back.

Lol yeah! Doesn't anyone find it weird that CM Punk holds the MitB briefcase yet he seems to have been on a losing streak lately? I read somwhere that he heas major backstage heat on him for "not living up to his reputation" apparently :conf2:

There are meant to be a few that don't like his attitude.I think he's one of the best people on the roster and shouldn't be losing so much.It's making him look bad and hardly a creditable opponent for a world champion.

I see that William Regal's been suspended for failing a drugs test,just when he was in the best posistion he's been in for years :rolleyes:

[Ruth*Star]

Originally posted by mrs_rko
ECW's so bad right now I don't even watch it..


DOI!
That segment with Jericho/Cryme Tyme/ Vince McMahon was the funniest thing I've seen in a longgg time. I agree about the promo, i was in stitches laughing, got me thinking, maybe Chris should sing Vinces theme for him.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Ruth*Star
Originally posted by mrs_rko
ECW's so bad right now I don't even watch it..


DOI!
That segment with Jericho/Cryme Tyme/ Vince McMahon was the funniest thing I've seen in a longgg time. I agree about the promo, i was in stitches laughing, got me thinking, maybe Chris should sing Vinces theme for him.

Just so long as Trevor Murdoch doesn't do it! :laugh:

[Axiom]

Anyone watching SmackDown right now?

[Dan_]

Originally posted by horcrux92
Anyone watching SmackDown right now?

I've just finished watching it on youtube.It was a pretty decent show but nothing outstanding

Burke vs Matt Hardy was a decent match but they aren't doing a good job of building Burke as a worthy challenger for the US Title by losing every week.

Finlay vs Palumbo was better than last weeks dull encounter.The pace of the fight went up a fair few notches and with Palumbo forcing the DQ it carries things on further.I found it funny how Chuck seems to be trying to look like Slash from Guns & Roses.

I was surprised to see Punk vs Morrison considering both had already had matches earlier on in the week on ECW.These two always seem to have entertaining matches and this was no different, it's just a shame the match ended as quick as it did.Good thing Punk's losing streak came to an end but I cannot see him winning at One Night Stand, nor does he need to being Mr MITB.

Batisa and Big Show vs Hawkins and Ryder was never going to anything else but a dominating win by Show and Batista.Nice end to the match lol.

I thought MVP vs Jamie Noble was about the best match of the night, good little backstage confrontation between them too.

How much longer is Kozlov is going to be having squash matches? The only highlights from his matches are the Zidane style headbutts and Foley taking piss out of him.

Undertaker vs Edge has been about the best feud in WWE for quite a while.It's great how they have managed to keep the interest going and not just the the usual long drawn out feuds with have become so used to.The build up with this week's cutting edge just upped the anticipation for the match even more for me.

[Sarah.]

One Night Stand was alright... bar the fact Jericho didn't have a match, Taker's been 'banished' and Orton's injured. =/

Jeff Hardy vs Umaga was too short IMO, that swanton was insane. And him using the hand rail was funny..

Singapore Cane match was okay, again i thought it should've been a bit longer. Pretty obvious Big Show would win it..

Diva's I Quit match was good too, much better than seeing Ashley or Maria wrestle so I was glad to hear about this match..

Orton vs HHH was disappointing.. I thought Orton's injury was kayfabe at first but after a while you could tell it was real. Hilarious when he was telling everyone to "Shut the **** up" and went up to that kid. I hope he recovers quickly but at least he can spend some time with his baby when it arrives.

Edge vs Taker was my favourite match, when Edge pushed Taker from the ladders onto the stacked tables was insane, and the chokeslams into the tables too. Great match, glad Edge is champ but I don't want Taker gone.

Overall it was alright.. Jericho should have been more involved in the HBK/ Batista match, I want him to turn heel...

[Dan_]

I agree with most of what you said Mrs_RKO.

I missed the first couple minutes of Hardy vs Umaga so it was even shorter for me.The slide down the hand rail was pretty inventive and I knew Jeff had to do the Swanton off something real high.Pretty cool match overall.

Singapore cane match had some pretty decent high spots.Morrison's starting to rival Hardy for the high risk moves! Bit predictable with Big Show pinning perrenial loser Tommy Dreamer.

JBL vs Cena was the worst match of the night for me.Just an average at best brawl before the daft finish with JBL bleeding from the **** within seconds,it might have been chain assisted but it looked silly.

Orton vs Triple H was alright but not as good as the last time they had a last man standing match.I kinda think the finish was rushed after they realised that Orton wasn't in any fit state to carry on.At least Orton will get the time off that he requested but it's a shame to see him injured.

Edge vs Taker stole the show.I never expected it to go on quite as long as it did but it was a welcome change from your standard timed ppv main events.Despite Edge controlling large periods of the match and even with the La Famila getting involved, I never quite believed that Taker would end up losing.The ending was crazy! I still think we will see Taker again.

[Redmond]

http://www.wrestleshare.com/images/38s8vo2e555k4haw3pce.jpg

Ouch! Broken collar bone for Orton, bad stuff and bad for WWE as Orton is like the top heel in the company right now, well along with Edge. Expect him to be out for a few months with that injury.

Overall I enjoyed ONS though, was surprised Taker lost but was quite glad, because it's always good for a match to be unpredictable. I expect Taker will be back near the Draft though.

[Dan_]

That looks real nasty, easily a few months out for Orton.At least with the draft just right round the corner, they can shake things up a bit and him being injured wont be so much of a big deal.

I can see Batista turning heel now, someone out of Y2J,HBK and him had to do it. After ONS Batista looks the most likely candidate.

[Sarah.]

Well, Raw was disappointing this week. John's back in the WWE title picture, kind of expected it, would have preferred Jeff though.

What is up with Y2J and the steel chairs? lol.

[Ruth*Star]

*sighs* I'm so dismayed that John's back in the title picture, Jeff deserves it more than that superman does.

[Jay]

Im quite happy Cena is back in title race, i think Cena v Triple H will be a great match i guess Jeff Hardy will be facing Jericho for IC title soon.

[Redmond]

Jeff Hardy failed a drug test, he doesn't deserve to be back in the title picture yet. That wouldn't be setting a good example.

I like this stuff with Ted Dibiase Jr that is going on, apparently there is talks of setting up a new heel faction made up of second generation wrestlers, Ted Dibiase Jr, Cody Rhodes, Afa Jr and DH Smith with maybe Carlito as the mouthpiece if they don't get a manager.

[Dan_]

RAW was quite good last night, helps that the crowd were so lively.

Glad to see Burchill getting put into a feud with Kennedy, both of them are good young wrestlers with the potential to put on some entertaining matches.Kennedy really works well as a babyface.

Ted Dibiase JR is welcome addition to the roster, he's got the makings of a good heel and kinda reminds me of Orton when he first started.Anyone heard who his tag partner will be?

I don't mind Cena getting another shot at the title seeing as it's just a stop gap before the draft lottery.

[Dan_]

D'Lo Brown is returning to wwe.

[Ruth*Star]

Oh cool, i always liked him. I liked him on that celeb wrestling show that was on ITV a few years ago.

[Dan_]

Why has The Great Khali been turned babyface? :laugh2:

[officialleafan]

Can someone just clear something up...

What happened to Paul Bearer (The chunky guy that always came out with the Undertaker)?

[Dan_]

Originally posted by officialleafan
Can someone just clear something up...

What happened to Paul Bearer (The chunky guy that always came out with the Undertaker)?

Back in 2004 he came back as Undertaker's manager but in real life he became ill so needed to be written out.At the Judgement Day PPV there was a match between Undertaker & The Dudley Boyz.Before the PPV The Dudleyz kidknapped Bearer, if Undertaker won then Paul was gonna be saved.

At the event we saw Bearer in a glass box that was filling with cement throughout the match.Undertaker ended up winning the match but pulled a lever to fill the whole box with concrete and that was the end of him.

[Dan_]

Vince McMahon got rick rolled :cheer2:

[Hades]

Here is the real Rick Roll...

This weeks Raw - 3.0.

Simply put , im overjoyed.

Vince spent one million on a Raw with a storyline that has nothing to do with Wrestling only to get a LOWER RATING?

This is fantastic news. Take that Vince.

[Sarah.]

Jericho turned heel!

THANK YOU to whoever decided this.

And the million dollar stuff is stupid. Takes up too much time and he can't even dial a number quick enough. It got old, fast. Only funny thing about it was him getting Rick Rolled. The callers sounded like robots, if i won $200,000 i would be screaming down the phone.

[Dan_]

The ratings have been awful lately.The cash give away thing was a pretty poor idea but the rest of raw was pretty decent this week.Jericho's heel turn was somewhat surprising but with Orton injured, someone had to take the spot and I'm glad it's Y2J.

I've been impressed with Ted Dibiase JR up until this week, his promo was boring as hell,he just stumbled his way through it.

[Ruth*Star]

WOOOOOO! Ric Flair was on raw, i loved he made an apperance, its nice to see him.

[rainey]

lance cade coming down to the ring to help jericho left me speechless.

[Sarah.]

Yeah, I was a little confused that Cade came down to help Jericho.

But i LOVE him as a heel now. He was amazing, he plays it so well.

[Dan_]

About time they gave a push to someone like Cade.Perhaps Y2J will get his own stable?

[Sarah.]

I hope not. I just hope it was a one time thing.
I would love to see HHH/Y2J feud again. For the title. :tongue:

[Sarah.]

Awesome draft.
Triple H to Smackdown! THANK YOU VINCE. Seriously, great move.

And that Vince thing at the end was just stupid.. It's only been a year since his last stupid stunt.

[Dan_]

What the hell was Vince thinking? Typical Vince pulling a daft stunt like that.There were easier ways to end this McMahon's Money Mania crap.I heard him say that he couldn't feel his legs at the end of the show, suppose he'll be getting Vickie Guerrero's wheelchair now :rolleyes:.

The draft threw up a few surprises for me.Never did I imagine Triple H going over to Smackdown, especially with him being wwe champion.Him,Umaga, Kennedy and Jeff should make Smackdown a bit more interesting now.Good to see Rey back and I think it was wise to have him switch to Raw, he's been over on Smackdown since he debuted.

I expected Batista to go over to Raw, could see a heel turn and a feud with Cena on the horizon.I wonder if he will end up winning the title off Edge? Or will Triple H drop his title to Cena? It's certainly going to spice things up a bit.

Kane going to Raw made little sense to me.It just makes it obvious to me that he's going to lose the title to Big Show.CM Punk was bound to go over to one of the main shows, so that made sense.I guess ECW have just replaced Punk and Kane with Matt Hardy and Big Show.I don't think ECW needs a secondary title, whereas Smackdown does, be interesting to see where that goes.

I thought the swap involving JR and Michael Cole was silly.

Any idea when the supplemental draft is?

[Redmond]

Don't think there is supplement draft this year.

Apparently the announcers weren't told before hand that they'd be switching, hence the complete shock on both JR and Cole's face, JR looked visibly upset and pissed off.

I'd heard rumours about Triple H going to Smackdown, was never quite convinced as he likes to be top dog and going to the B show seems a step down, but hey he did it. Not sure how much Edge will like that as him and Hunter do not get on very well.

CM Punk on Raw will be good, but Kane...I really don't see what new stuff they can do with his character. Batista I can see turning heel and forming a faction with Orton once Orton is back from his injury.

[Redmond]

Sorry I was wrong about the supplemental draft, it is happening today at noon US time.

[Dan_]

Cheers Redmond.There's always some questionable moves in that but a few of interest.

[Sarah.]

Some strange picks so far..

Mark Henry to ECW.
Jamie Noble to Raw.
Trevor Murdoch to SD!
Big Daddy V to SD!
Deuce to Raw.
DH Smith to SD! =/
Hornswoggle to ECW.. extremely random.
Super Crazy to ECW.
Chuck Palumbo to Raw... =/
Brian Kendrick to SD!

[Dan_]

Three new jobbers fro Raw then.

Looks like DH Smith might not be Ted Dibasie's partner at night of the champions then.

[Dan_]

Full supplemental draft results:

To Raw:

Jamie Noble
Deuce
Chuck Palumbo
Matt Striker
Layla
Kofi Kingston

To Smackdown:
Trevor Murdoch
Big Daddy V
DH Smith
Brian Kendrick
Maria
Shelton Benjamin
Carlito

To ECW:
Mark Henry
Hornswoggle
Finlay
Super Crazy

ECW certainly got the worst of it.I wonder where MVP will end up? Seeing as his contracts meant to be up on smackdown.

[Sarah.]

Smackdown got the best from the draft overall. Bit surprised with some of them, as they're extremely random.
I guess Henry will almost certainly win the ECW title on Sunday.
DH Smith, I thought he was going to be Ted DiBiase Jr's partner but now I'm not so sure, now he's on SD but who knows..? I really hope Cody turns on Bob on Sunday.

I can't believe they've split up London and Kendrick, they should have moved them both because I think Paul is amazing and now he's left on Raw, I don't think he's going to be used right.

I hope MVP moves to Raw, I would love to see Jericho/MVP. They've had some good matches and the MVP Lounge on SD a few months ago was awesome.

I'm glad Shelton moved, and I don't understand why Kofi was switched to Raw but okayy, just like I don't see why Deuce moved, or why Chuck moved.

I'm really interested to see how things go this Sunday, either Batista or John Cena is going to become a new champion, I'm hoping it's Batista to be honest, we can't give Amy21 anything to brag about. I'm looking forward to the women's match too and it would be really nice to see Katie become the first British women's champion. I'm guessing HBK will be Jericho's opponent at NOC, still hasn't been announced this close to the PPV. I think it's going to be a good PPV, and to see how new storylines are going to unfold now, I'd love to see Jericho get a world title run soon, and maybe CM Punk will cash in his MITB this Sunday? That would be pretty awesome.

[Dan_]

It certainly looks as though they want Smackdown to be on the same level as RAW now with these changes.Smackdown used to be my favorite show of the two back in 2002/2003 but it's been fairly dull for years now, aside from the main event and a couple other mid-card feuds.

I agree that they never should have split up Londrick.Neither of them are going to get pushed on their own and one thing that WWE lacks these days, is tag teams and they were one of the best.

I'm leaning towards Dibiasie JR not having a partner now and Cody just turning on Holly mid-way through the match.I'd rather they did get him a partner though, someone like Mr.Perfects son.

It would be good to see MVP on RAW, they could do with another main event heel and he fits the bill.I have heard he's going to ECW though, very strange but I guess they will play on Teddy Long being the one who signed him for Smackdown.

RAW has gained a load of jobbers.I just don't see how they're going to even fit them onto the show.They could do with making a couple of tag teams out of them.

ECW is basically screwed right now.Unless they start bringing up youngsters from FCW and make them into stars, it's going to get real boring apart from the main event and the team of Miz and Morrison.They should also put D'Lo Brown,Chris Harris and Ron Killings on their roster.

I think Batista will win the world title off of Edge and take it to RAW with him.I can then see Edge getting into a feud with Triple H over the wwe title.I think it would be really cool if both champions retained though and CM Punk cashed in, maybe beating Triple H and turning heel in the process.

[Sarah.]

i'm watching night of champions right now...

john morrison & the miz vs finlay & hornswoggle was alright and i'm glad they retained.

matt hardy vs chavo guerrero was okay too. nothing special.

mark henry vs kane vs big show was better than i thought it would be, but predictable.

cody rhodes & hardcore holly vs ted dibiase... predictable, cody turned on him, but it was awesome, lol.

chris jericho vs................. kofi kingston W T F.? waaay too soon for him to be winning a title, but at least i think Y2J will be moving onto the main title when it's brought to raw.

mickie james vs katie lea was alright, should've been longer.

currently watching edge vs batista.

the ppv so far has been 'alright', a word i have used a lot. nothing amazing. nothing shocking...