Game of Thrones Thread

[bots]

The theory I've seen is that the NK was only vulnerable when next to the three eyed raven tree / Bran himself (something about being tied to a magic tree when he was created?) and so Bran actually knew all along that the NK had to be lured to the tree at just that moment, and knew that Arya would kill him, so he actually was "doing his thing" just by making sure that the timing was perfect and everyone was where they were meant to be, when they were meant to be there. Sort of like the Lord Of Light repeatedly resurrecting Beric because he was destined to save Arya, who was in turn destined to kill the Night King...

if that sequence holds true then Jon will have done his part when he protects/kills someone at the right moment

[BBDodge]

Also no one believed me when I said that this battle would be the end of the White Walkers :hmph:.

I did.

There's another battle on the fixture list.

[Daniel.]

Predictions for major casualties in the battle for the throne?

[reece(:]

Predictions for major casualties in the battle for the throne?

Tormund (shook he made it out of this alive)
Jaime
Davos (also shook he's still alive)
Grey Worm / Missandei
Cersei
Sam (maybe me just hoping :fan: )
Brienne or Podrick

then another big player :think:

[BBDodge]

Predictions for major casualties in the battle for the throne?

Cersei, of course
Qyburn
Euron
The Mountain

Jamie
Gendry
Davos
Grey Worm

Maybe a Stark, maybe a Targaryen.

[reece(:]

Oh yeah all of Cersei's crew :fan:

[bots]

So many have now played their part that they are now expendable. Literally anyone could be a casualty in the remainder of the series

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

That ending was a choice

Like they’ve been building up to it for almost a decade and she literally just appears from nowhere and jumps out and stabs him in the stomach and that’s it?

https://media.tenor.com/images/f52454fb970693f2b5741aaa896accc1/tenor.gif

[Epic.]

That ending was a choice

Like they’ve been building up to it for almost a decade and she literally just appears from nowhere and jumps out and stabs him in the stomach and that’s it?

https://media.tenor.com/images/f52454fb970693f2b5741aaa896accc1/tenor.gif

She didnt just stab him, she was face to face with him and he was ready to strangle her, and then she gets the spear out in the nick of time, bearing in mind he's already been responsible for the deaths of dozens

[Scarlett.]

She didnt just stab him, she was face to face with him and he was ready to strangle her, and then she gets the spear out in the nick of time, bearing in mind he's already been responsible for the deaths of dozens

It just feels a little... soon. Like the whole theme of the show is that Winter is Coming, the dead are coming, now they're just not and we're left with Cersei, who, is a good villain, but she's not exactly threatening when placed next to the Night King.

[reece(:]

It just feels a little... soon. Like the whole theme of the show is that Winter is Coming, the dead are coming, now they're just not and we're left with Cersei, who, is a good villain, but she's not exactly threatening when placed next to the Night King.

Tea she should have been disposed of first :fan:

[arista]

Yes a Good Ending,
Good Sound on grabbing the knife

[Tom4784]

I love being right :fan: I remember saying years ago that the White Walkers wouldn't be the main threat and y'all were like 'nooooo, they're the main threat!' I feel REDEEMED.

That episode though, I have never been so truly SHOOK in all my life. I was in a constant state of stress, I was yelling at the screen and I literally had to pause a few times just to walk it all off. I was literally shaking throughout.

[Tom4784]

The show was always based around the question of who would end up on the throne though.

[arista]

I love being right :fan: I remember saying years ago that the White Walkers wouldn't be the main threat and y'all were like 'nooooo, they're the main threat!' I feel REDEEMED.

That episode though, I have never been so truly SHOOK in all my life. I was in a constant state of stress, I was yelling at the screen and I literally had to pause a few times just to walk it all off. I was literally shaking throughout.



Yes a long shocking
episode.
Music was changed
you could feel the Buzz , Dezzy

[BBDodge]

The show was always based around the question of who would end up on the throne though.

The clue is in the title (of the TV series, though not the whole book sequence).

[Smithy]

The clue is in the title (of the TV series, though not the whole book sequence).

Just goes to show that the show missed the point of the books

[Shaun]

It just feels a little... soon. Like the whole theme of the show is that Winter is Coming, the dead are coming, now they're just not and we're left with Cersei, who, is a good villain, but she's not exactly threatening when placed next to the Night King.

To be fair, all of this culminating with only 3 episodes to go is hardly selling that theme short. We've had 7 full seasons and 3 episodes of "oooh what are these zombies gonna do?" and with just 3 episodes left to wrap up the characters who can actually talk (the NK and his horde were never going to be compelling enough to leave until the end, if they can't even bloody speak) I really wouldn't argue the "fear of death / fear of winter" angle has been sold short at all.

Especially not after the biggest battle in the history of film, lol

[Smithy]

Gonna change my avi to this tonight

UGH

https://amp.thisisinsider.com/images/5cc67606d4ca4765f34de0c3-750-563.jpg

https://66.media.tumblr.com/5dbad9c7b2f806b7712db924223e9eb9/tumblr_paefsnIQbn1ra4dlno2_250.gif

[Scarlett.]

To be fair, all of this culminating with only 3 episodes to go is hardly selling that theme short. We've had 7 full seasons and 3 episodes of "oooh what are these zombies gonna do?" and with just 3 episodes left to wrap up the characters who can actually talk (the NK and his horde were never going to be compelling enough to leave until the end, if they can't even bloody speak) I really wouldn't argue the "fear of death / fear of winter" angle has been sold short at all.

Especially not after the biggest battle in the history of film, lol

The thing is they awnsered "oooh what are these zombies gonna do?" with "die in their first real battle with the living" :joker: These are the White Walkers who survived a long night once before, who lived and bided their time for nearly ten thousand years, and then they get... iced in a sneak attack by Arya Stark in their first encounter :laugh:

[Smithy]

Did anyone else scream when missandei came for Sansa, whining and bitching in the crypts whilst Dany is literally risking her life to save her :umm2:

[Shaun]

It...wasn't their first encounter though?

They've taken Viserion in a battle, they've taken Hodor and the 3ER, finished the Children of the Forest, they've taken the giant, there was the battle at Hardhome. In this episode they took Theon, the House of Mormont, drained Melisandre of her powers, the Lord of Light too... I just don't really see what else there could have been without them also winning the entire battle. Leaving us 3 episodes of either rooting for Cersei to stop them (which I personally wouldn't mind :eyes:) or...3 episodes of waiting for unspeaking death to get the killing blow on her.

[Scarlett.]

Did anyone else scream when missandei came for Sansa, whining and bitching in the crypts whilst Dany is literally risking her life to save her :umm2:

I mean, Sansa has good reason to be stand offish with Dany, Dany's father killed her Uncle and burned her grand father alive. Also she still thinks Dany's brother kidnapped, raped and murdered her brother. I think anyone would act the same as Sansa in those circumstances.

[Scarlett.]

It...wasn't their first encounter though?

They've taken Viserion in a battle, they've taken Hodor and the 3ER, finished the Children of the Forest, they've taken the giant, there was the battle at Hardhome. In this episode they took Theon, the House of Mormont, drained Melisandre of her powers, the Lord of Light too... I just don't really see what else there could have been without them also winning the entire battle. Leaving us 3 episodes of either rooting for Cersei to stop them (which I personally wouldn't mind :eyes:) or...3 episodes of waiting for unspeaking death to get the killing blow on her.

Those were all minor skirmishes though, where the army of the dead had numbers on their side, this was their first real battle lol. They should have had the Night King win this battle and then march south, with everyone from the North retreating to Dragonstone to come up with a new strategy. Now it just feels kind of awkward with Cersei's plot having absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the show's plots until these last three episodes.

Don't get me wrong, I've still really enjoyed everything, and am looking forward to the rest. It just feels off to kill off the existential threat and leaving us with Cersei Lannister as the final bad guy. It'd be like if the Battle of Bastards was won, then it turned out the real baddie in that story was Ramsay's sidekick.

[Smithy]

I mean, Sansa has good reason to be stand offish with Dany, Dany's father killed her Uncle and burned her grand father alive. Also she still thinks Dany's brother kidnapped, raped and murdered her brother. I think anyone would act the same as Sansa in those circumstances.

I know, but the fact she’s tried to speak with Sansa in Ep2, told her she loved Jon, told her she was going to defend the north and then Sansa literally see’s her flying around on a Dragon burning them all up before running to hide in the crypts doesn’t sit right :nono:

ALSO (and Ik Sansa doesn’t know this) but Dany could have quite easily killed Jon this episode if she was that bothered about the throne, but she didn’t, this whole narrative that that’s all she cares about needs to STOP

[Jessica.]

Absolutely fantastic episode!

[bots]

The thing is they awnsered "oooh what are these zombies gonna do?" with "die in their first real battle with the living" :joker: These are the White Walkers who survived a long night once before, who lived and bided their time for nearly ten thousand years, and then they get... iced in a sneak attack by Arya Stark in their first encounter :laugh:

Thats not exactly true either. Dani had a good attempt at roasting him, theon had a good poke at him, Jon would have had him, if the NK hadn't raised more dead, and last but not least, Bran gave him the stare of knowledge .... all before Arya stuck the knife in :smug:

[Jessica.]

I loved when The Hound picked Arya up and started running with her. :joker: "We have to go!!!"

[Scarlett.]

I know, but the fact she’s tried to speak with Sansa in Ep2, told her she loved Jon, told her she was going to defend the north and then Sansa literally see’s her flying around on a Dragon burning them all up before running to hide in the crypts doesn’t sit right :nono:

ALSO (and Ik Sansa doesn’t know this) but Dany could have quite easily killed Jon this episode if she was that bothered about the throne, but she didn’t, this whole narrative that that’s all she cares about needs to STOP

The thing is, Cersei had a lot of those little style chats with her, and look how that ended up. I don't think Dany is the Mad Queen btw :laugh: just explaining Sansa's mistrust of her.

[Scarlett.]

I was so sad when Lyanna Mormont was killed :(

[Ramsay]

Went out like a boss tho :love:

[Scarlett.]

Went out like a boss tho :love:

Lyanna Mormont, the Giantslayer! Saying that, probably no one left in House Mormont now, House Giantsbane to move in?

[bots]

Lyanna was supposed to be a 1 scene character so it says a lot for the actress to have brought her to that heroic end

[Scarlett.]

You know, I just read something about how this battle was the climactic battle, and the rest of the series is basically "what happens after" which is making me feel better about the whole thing.

[Smithy]

5 is a battle too though isn’t it?

[Scarlett.]

5 is a battle too though isn’t it?

Apparently so, but the battle of Winterfell was to make sure the world had a future, the next three episodes will be about making a new future for Westeros.

[Jessica.]

Does anyone think there might be some kind of spin-off in the future?

[Smithy]

Apparently so, but the battle of Winterfell was to make sure the world had a future, the next three episodes will be about making a new future for Westeros.
Seeing as they’ve spoken so little about it, I wonder if it’s going to be a winds of winter moment with something shocking that nobody saw coming :omgno:
Does anyone think there might be some kind of spin-off in the future?

There’s numerous planned, the first is set during the initial long night and the begging of the walkers

[Scarlett.]

Seeing as they’ve spoken so little about it, I wonder if it’s going to be a winds of winter moment with something shocking that nobody saw coming :omgno:


There’s numerous planned, the first is set during the initial long night and the begging of the walkers

I do think Cersei is gonna have something up her sleeve no doubt, it's gonna be interesting seeing what she has planned. I just hope Ewwwwron dies quick cause he's annoying :laugh:

[Amy Jade]

I'm rewatching it with somebody who hasn't seen it and stupidly emotional about Lyanna but I'm so glad she went out a hero

[Shaun]

I suppose after all of this, Cleganebowl is still on. I would assume the Hound wins with a little trickery taught to him by Arya. I want my Oberyn avenged :love:

[Shaun]

I'm rewatching it with somebody who hasn't seen it and stupidly emotional about Lyanna but I'm so glad she went out a hero

Her actress was incredible, her body shaking and her eyes dying when she was picked up and crushed was so realistic and sad :( I actually welled up when she charged at him. Such a hero :love: like her uncle.

[bots]

Fun fact: When Brienne and Jaime were fighting side by side, they were defending Winterfell with the 2 swords forged from Ned's blade

[BBDodge]

Her actress was incredible, her body shaking and her eyes dying when she was picked up and crushed was so realistic and sad :( I actually welled up when she charged at him. Such a hero :love: like her uncle.

Bella Ramsey's already shot a movie playing Judy Garland's sister opposite Renée Zellweger.

As with Maisie and Sophie GOT has become a great launchpad for child stars.

[Brother Leon]

Phenomenal episode. So happy Arya got her moment of glory, buT fully agree with you All that not enough casualties. The war with Cersei just doesn’t interest me at all because she’s so outmatched.

Theon and Jorah going out like champs :clap1:

[RileyH]

Lyanna & Melisandre </333

At least Missandei, Dany & Greyworm survived :p

[Brother Leon]

Also

Ser Davos has now survived The Battle Of Blackwater,The Battle Of The Bastards and Now Battle of Winterfell. What a legend of Westeros :laugh:

[Amy Jade]

Her actress was incredible, her body shaking and her eyes dying when she was picked up and crushed was so realistic and sad :( I actually welled up when she charged at him. Such a hero :love: like her uncle.

I thought so too, felt so sad but what a warrior. The actress played the role so well, it's a testament to her talent that people seem more bothered by her death than most others.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Amy barlow was not that iconic y’all are reaching

[Tom4784]

Just goes to show that the show missed the point of the books

At the end of the day, The Night King wasn't really a compelling villain, he brought the spectacle in spades but compared to Cersei, who you could write an essay on her character, he would have fallen flat if he was the main villain of the series.

I've been saying as much for years and I reckon the books won't be that much different from what we've seen regarding the White Walkers, especially if they are all linked to the NK like they were in the series.

[Scarlett.]

At the end of the day, The Night King wasn't really a compelling villain, he brought the spectacle in spades but compared to Cersei, who you could write an essay on her character, he would have fallen flat if he was the main villain of the series.

I've been saying as much for years and I reckon the books won't be that much different from what we've seen regarding the White Walkers, especially if they are all linked to the NK like they were in the series.

It feels like Cersei should have been pulled into the Great War though, he betraying everyone doesn't seem to have any consequences yet.

[Smithy]

At the end of the day, The Night King wasn't really a compelling villain, he brought the spectacle in spades but compared to Cersei, who you could write an essay on her character, he would have fallen flat if he was the main villain of the series.

I've been saying as much for years and I reckon the books won't be that much different from what we've seen regarding the White Walkers, especially if they are all linked to the NK like they were in the series.

There’s much more back story in the books, I feel like there’ll be a lot more of an explanation, I think possibly the reason they didn’t want to put it in the show is because they’re using it for the long night spin off?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Why did mel kill herself at the end tho

[Smithy]

Why did mel kill herself at the end tho

Bc her job was done, she knew that’s what the lord of light had intended for her to do

[MTVN]

There's still something weird going on with Bran imo, when he warged into the crows then they flew to the Night King it looked like his eyes were then all misted like warged people are?

It was a fantastic ep but the number of prominent survivors was a bit silly considering they all seemed on the verge of death every time we saw them

Am I the only one who's tv was too basic for a lot of the scenes at the start as well, made it all blotchy :rant:

[bots]

Am I the only one who's tv was too basic for a lot of the scenes at the start as well, made it all blotchy :rant:

i've got a very good 4k tv and it was still really difficult to see what was going on and who was involved in a lot of the scenes .... but that is the fog of war in a night attack .... so pretty real :laugh:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Bc her job was done, she knew that’s what the lord of light had intended for her to do

Why did she kill that scabby kid then?

[MTVN]

i've got a very good 4k tv and it was still really difficult to see what was going on and who was involved in a lot of the scenes .... but that is the fog of war in a night attack .... so pretty real :laugh:

I didn't mind that so much but it was also a lot of the stuff at the start before the battle bad begun, the scenery just seemed really poorly defined in places

[Niamh.]

Come on Arya you legend, told you all she was the best one :hee: I'm not well after that episode though

[Jessica.]

Yeah, the episode was way too dark. I'd love to watch a version that has been edited to be brighter.

[Babayaro.]

I rewatched it and it was soooo much better than when I first watched it this morning. Probably because I was not still half asleep and I could actually fully see what was going on lol


But no, seriously. ****. The cinematography, the music, the silence :love: I did say how I was disappointed with the low body count in terms of main characters, but now I'm okay with it. Arya truly was the star, along with Theon who single-handedly saved Bran, and Beric. :clap1:

Terrific piece of television :worship:

[Babayaro.]

Side note...


What was the point in the walkers though?? Like, they literally did nothing apart from looking cool when walking into Winterfell. It would've been really good to see them come face-to-face with some of our heroes.

[Cherie]

I found it a bit underwhelming and did it need to be so dark :bawling:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Did it even get explaining what bran was warging into bc i swear it was just a pigeon or somn

[Ramsay]

A raven, to get the NKs attention and bring him to where he was IIRC

[Smithy]

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a27307793/game-of-thrones-long-night-white-walkers/?utm_content=buffera93df&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=maintwitterpost

Don’t normally like DS articles bc they’re written by 12 year olds but this hits the nail on the head for me

[Smithy]

A raven, to get the NKs attention and bring him to where he was IIRC

But then he was still warging long after the NK was off of Viserion

[Niamh.]

Best tweet I saw:

No one can kill the night king.
No one did.

[BBDodge]

Side note...


What was the point in the walkers though?? Like, they literally did nothing apart from looking cool when walking into Winterfell. It would've been really good to see them come face-to-face with some of our heroes.

MacGuffins.

[bots]

just putting it out there as I haven't seen it mentioned ..... what role is there left for Bran ..... could he become the new NK? Something isn't quite right there :laugh:

[Mokka]

Why did she kill that scabby kid then?

:joker::joker::joker:

[Scarlett.]

I love the whole arc of Theon Greyjoy, from the arrogant ward we met into the first episode to the brave Theon who went toe to toe with the Night King

[BBDodge]

Why did mel kill herself at the end tho

Because Sue got the Thronecast gig.

[bots]

But then he was still warging long after the NK was off of Viserion

that was him getting fragments of what was happening in the battle and probably how far away Arya was from getting there. Hence his little time filler with Theon telling him he was a good man. He knew that little chat would give Arya the time she needed to stick it to the NK

[MTVN]

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a27307793/game-of-thrones-long-night-white-walkers/?utm_content=buffera93df&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=maintwitterpost

Don’t normally like DS articles bc they’re written by 12 year olds but this hits the nail on the head for me

Yeah I can see where that's coming from, I read a similar article here: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/game-thrones-long-night/

What is this show now? Winter is… over. Before a few weeks ago, one wondered how they could possibly wrap it all up in only six episodes, since so much had yet to be revealed about the Night King and the Gods and the entire Bran-plot. Now, I find myself wondering what they’re even going to do for three more. Euron is a clown and Cersei is doomed to be killed by one of her brothers or something; when she was in the middle of a sea of difficult familial politics, she was interesting; now she isn’t and she isn’t, just a one-note villain. And who else is there in this show? It’s conceivable that they’ll make the drama all about people trying to decide what to do now that they’ve saved the world and the stakes have gotten small again; I suppose we could see Tyrion and Jaime have divided loyalties again, and maybe Jon and Sansa and Arya will break with Daenerys, whose army is mostly kaput anyway. Grey Worm and Missandei can go off and explore non-phallic eroticism and Gendry can leave 17 unanswered voicemails for Arya. Presumably we’ll get Clegane-bowl after all, and Tormund and Brienne will figure out if they’re a thing, and maybe Varys will matter again. Sam will return his library books.

Is any of that compelling? Can it be, now? We’ve spent entire seasons watching Jon convince everyone that nothing else matters but the war with death; now that there is no war with death, are we supposed to pretend that all that other stuff matters again? Having been reassured for seven seasons — eight years — that the battle with the Night King would elevate all this other stuff into something more interesting, are we going to go back to acting like the “Game of Thrones” is the key thing?

I feel like there must still be more to come on it though, after all the different theories etc it all feels a bit too simple and neatly tied up :think:

[bots]

For 7 seasons it's been about political intrigue with occasional cameos from the NK. Heck, Bran wasnt even featured for an entire season

If I was a betting man, i would say that Cersei wins the upcoming battle. and when she thinks she has won, someone will come along and assassinate her. In order to achieve that the 2 brothers will have a fight off ... as to who ends up on the throne ..... who really cares, it's the journey thats important not the result.

[Cherie]

Yeah I can see where that's coming from, I read a similar article here: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/game-thrones-long-night/



I feel like there must still be more to come on it though, after all the different theories etc it all feels a bit too simple and neatly tied up :think:

good article, Jon has spent 8 seasons saying 'the naaight king is comin' ...no more!

[Strictly Jake]

I watched this last night I agree with what some of you have been saying the first half I couldn't see a thing that was going on. It was very irritating I'm guessing that it was done on purpose to show how dark it would have would have been the fact they don't know where the dead army actually were etc and it was all very fast so you couldn't see what was going on but that's how it would have felt to those in the war i guess. But I was very edge of the seat stuff I loved it!

I guess no massive character deaths which I was shocked about it thought for a second tyrion and salsa were going to kill each other as a kindness and I had tears in my eyes but then it didn't happen so that was a relief.

Didn't expect ayra to be the one to kill the night king and I'm still wondering how she made it there without being killed

There is a lot to say about it but has probably all already been said so I'll just saw awesome episode

[MTVN]

Could Arya have used the face of one of the dead or something or did she literally just sneak through everyone right up on him :think:

[Smithy]

Could Arya have used the face of one of the dead or something or did she literally just sneak through everyone right up on him :think:

No, when they die they shatter like glass

[Nicky91]

way too dark episode, so disappointing the Visuals :sad:

also sad that they gotten rid of our one true king, the Night King :bawling: :bawling:

[Smithy]

Could Arya have used the face of one of the dead or something or did she literally just sneak through everyone right up on him :think:

Oof, I thought this was Marsh and I just spoiled the whole thing for him by complaining he already knew what happened :omgno:

[bots]

There is an underground tunnel that leads from winterfell to the woods, it was mentioned before. Isn't that how Bran got back into the castle when hiding from Theon?

[Mystic Mock]

I watched this last night I agree with what some of you have been saying the first half I couldn't see a thing that was going on. It was very irritating I'm guessing that it was done on purpose to show how dark it would have would have been the fact they don't know where the dead army actually were etc and it was all very fast so you couldn't see what was going on but that's how it would have felt to those in the war i guess. But I was very edge of the seat stuff I loved it!

I guess no massive character deaths which I was shocked about it thought for a second tyrion and salsa were going to kill each other as a kindness and I had tears in my eyes but then it didn't happen so that was a relief.

Didn't expect ayra to be the one to kill the night king and I'm still wondering how she made it there without being killed

There is a lot to say about it but has probably all already been said so I'll just saw awesome episode


Theon Greyjoy and Joura Mormont have been on the show since season 1.:joker:

I'm sad to see a few of the characters leave tbh (even if they weren't necessarily the really big gun characters) I always enjoyed their presence on the programme when they were used.

I've got to say that the season has got better from the first episode back (as it needed to really) and I would say that GOT once again did a fantastic battle, and I personally loved the atmosphere that the episode created, especially in the scene where Arya was surrounded by all of those Whitewalkers in the Library type area.

Overall my favourite episode of the show since the season 6 finale.

[Niamh.]

Could Arya have used the face of one of the dead or something or did she literally just sneak through everyone right up on him :think:

Yes, there's actually a video floating around where someone shows one the NKs "bodyguards" looking around, like he sees her but it isn't her?

Here :

https://twitter.com/indiaparkman/status/1122696982936657925

[user104658]

Yes, there's actually a video floating around where someone shows one the NKs "bodyguards" looking around, like he sees her but it isn't her?

Here :

https://twitter.com/indiaparkman/status/1122696982936657925

Its hair seems to move like there's a breeze... I suppose like she's moving very quickly but silently through them? Was there something in an earlier season about her learning to move silently? :think: I feel like I vaguely remember something like that.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes, there's actually a video floating around where someone shows one the NKs "bodyguards" looking around, like he sees her but it isn't her?

Here :

https://twitter.com/indiaparkman/status/1122696982936657925

I think it was movement that caught that dudes attention, as emphasised by a breeze catching his hair.

My theory for what's about to happen next:

As we've seen from the trailer (Ep.4) Danny wants to push on to KL almost straight away, but the second Cersei hears about the victory for the living, she will send the ships up to WF. Bran will see this and warn everyone and they'll relocate to the eyrie, and anyone remember Bron and Tyrions conversation about it being impregnable? Give me 2 good men and I'll impregnate the bitch.

Bron will work his way in and will at some point have a decision to make - take his gold from Cersei, or save his friends.

[Niamh.]

Its hair seems to move like there's a breeze... I suppose like she's moving very quickly but silently through them? Was there something in an earlier season about her learning to move silently? :think: I feel like I vaguely remember something like that.

maybe so yeah :think:

I think it was movement that caught that dudes attention, as emphasised by a breeze catching his hair.

My theory for what's about to happen next:

As we've seen from the trailer (Ep.4) Danny wants to push on to KL almost straight away, but the second Cersei hears about the victory for the living, she will send the ships up to WF. Bran will see this and warn everyone and they'll relocate to the eyrie, and anyone remember Bron and Tyrions conversation about it being impregnable? Give me 2 good men and I'll impregnate the bitch.

Bron will work his way in and will at some point have a decision to make - take his gold from Cersei, or save his friends.

Bronn better eventually be loyal to Tyrion :fist:

[The Slim Reaper]

maybe so yeah :think:



Bronn better eventually be loyal to Tyrion :fist:

And Jamie, now that they're together.

[bots]

i hear Kit wasn't impressed that Arya got the kill job .... for that alone it was worth it :laugh:

[Niamh.]

i hear Kit wasn't impressed that Arya got the kill job .... for that alone it was worth it :laugh:

Oh really? hahahaha Arya is way more badass than him, also, that surely would have been GRRM decision from what he had planned for the books anyway

[user104658]

I think it was movement that caught that dudes attention, as emphasised by a breeze catching his hair.

My theory for what's about to happen next:

As we've seen from the trailer (Ep.4) Danny wants to push on to KL almost straight away, but the second Cersei hears about the victory for the living, she will send the ships up to WF. Bran will see this and warn everyone and they'll relocate to the eyrie, and anyone remember Bron and Tyrions conversation about it being impregnable? Give me 2 good men and I'll impregnate the bitch.

Bron will work his way in and will at some point have a decision to make - take his gold from Cersei, or save his friends.

Bronn literally jumped in front of dragon fire to save Jaime last season, it'll make no sense at all if he now suddenly kills him for cash :joker:.

[user104658]

maybe so yeah :think:


Though I don't understand why she made the decision to scream like "REEEEEEEeeEEEeeEEE!!!" as she leapt through the air... unless the grab-n-hand-switch move was part of the plan :think:.

[bots]

another fun fact, Arya trained for 3 years for that episode and performed most of the fight scenes herself .... thats dedication

[Brother Leon]

Can Ramin Djawadi get some love?

Without fail he manages to give us chills with his score every time. He’s honestly done such a phenomenal job with the music since day 1.

Also, I kinda misjudged how bad the losses were just because there weren’t as many big names as expected.

The “good guys” have basically lost the Entire Dothrakis, most if not all of the unsullied(bar Greyworm) and the Dragons are both hurt. I imagine the Northern houses will be fully loyal to Dany now though considering the fight she showed for them. Army wise it’s probably advantage Cersei now tbh, but 2 Dragons is the big X Factor.

[The Slim Reaper]

Can Ramin Djawadi get some love?

Without fail he manages to give us chills with his score every time. He’s honestly done such a phenomenal job with the music since day 1.

Also, I kinda misjudged how bad the losses were just because there weren’t as many big names as expected.

The “good guys” have basically lost the Entire Dothrakis, most if not all of the unsullied(bar Greyworm) and the Dragons are both hurt. I imagine the Northern houses will be fully loyal to Dany now though considering the fight she showed for them. Army wise it’s probably advantage Cersei now tbh, but 2 Dragons is the big X Factor.

The first 10 mins of music before the battle started was insane, the drumbeat mirroring nervous and adrenaline fuelled heartbeats put me right there emotionally without realising, it was only the second watch that helped me understand it was the music.

[The Slim Reaper]

Bronn literally jumped in front of dragon fire to save Jaime last season, it'll make no sense at all if he now suddenly kills him for cash :joker:.

I agree how it will end. If he was en extended written character by GRRM, I wouldn't have known which way it would have gone, but as he's D+D's now, then he's pretty much guaranteed to save them.

[bots]

Can Ramin Djawadi get some love?

Without fail he manages to give us chills with his score every time. He’s honestly done such a phenomenal job with the music since day 1.

Also, I kinda misjudged how bad the losses were just because there weren’t as many big names as expected.

The “good guys” have basically lost the Entire Dothrakis, most if not all of the unsullied(bar Greyworm) and the Dragons are both hurt. I imagine the Northern houses will be fully loyal to Dany now though considering the fight she showed for them. Army wise it’s probably advantage Cersei now tbh, but 2 Dragons is the big X Factor.

it's all very thematic too, it mirrors the various houses and themes are taken from them. The interesting thing is that much of the music was derivative of when Cersei blew up the temple. So, its all very cleverly done, even if you don't notice it, it creates subliminal association

[Ninastar]

Can Ramin Djawadi get some love?

Without fail he manages to give us chills with his score every time. He’s honestly done such a phenomenal job with the music since day 1.

Also, I kinda misjudged how bad the losses were just because there weren’t as many big names as expected.

The “good guys” have basically lost the Entire Dothrakis, most if not all of the unsullied(bar Greyworm) and the Dragons are both hurt. I imagine the Northern houses will be fully loyal to Dany now though considering the fight she showed for them. Army wise it’s probably advantage Cersei now tbh, but 2 Dragons is the big X Factor.

His music is ****ing amazing

I’ve been listening to ‘the night king’ literally every chance I get since the ep finished

[Ninastar]

it's all very thematic too, it mirrors the various houses and themes are taken from them. The interesting thing is that much of the music was derivative of when Cersei blew up the temple. So, its all very cleverly done, even if you don't notice it, it creates subliminal association

Yeah, there’s always a point where you can hear a little part of the theme song

Light of the Seven is also amazing. I want to rewatch the whole show just to listen to the music now

[Smithy]

Would this not have been a smidge better though?

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[Niamh.]

Though I don't understand why she made the decision to scream like "REEEEEEEeeEEEeeEEE!!!" as she leapt through the air... unless the grab-n-hand-switch move was part of the plan :think:.There is another video floating around of her doing a similar move with Brienne so maybe

[Niamh.]

Can Ramin Djawadi get some love?

Without fail he manages to give us chills with his score every time. He’s honestly done such a phenomenal job with the music since day 1.

Also, I kinda misjudged how bad the losses were just because there weren’t as many big names as expected.

The “good guys” have basically lost the Entire Dothrakis, most if not all of the unsullied(bar Greyworm) and the Dragons are both hurt. I imagine the Northern houses will be fully loyal to Dany now though considering the fight she showed for them. Army wise it’s probably advantage Cersei now tbh, but 2 Dragons is the big X Factor.Does he also do the music for West World? It was really reminding me of the music from that

[bots]

Does he also do the music for West World? It was really reminding me of the music from that

he did indeed do westworld

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1014697/

[Niamh.]

he did indeed do westworld



https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1014697/Ah yes, West World music is amazing aswell

[Scarlett.]

k1frgt0D_f4

[reece(:]

Can Dany not get Yara's fleet to help / her allies in Essos?

[Niamh.]

Can Dany not get Yara's fleet to help / her allies in Essos?Yara only had a handful if people left, euron has most of that lot

[bots]

Those that are left in the North are going to be 100% behind getting rid of Cersie. When you consider all the soldiers that Dani lost defending the people of the north, they will rally behind her. Jon, by design was very much a bit part player in the last battle, his time is over. Having stated publicly many times that he was not even interested in being King of the north, without a prominent place in the last battle he wont have anyone truly behind him. He didn't even try and save Sam as he was lying on the ground helpless. I think he will abdicate his claim to the throne in favour of Dani

Cersie will still win the upcoming battle, it will come down to her being assassinated in the end

[user104658]

Can Dany not get Yara's fleet to help / her allies in Essos?

I'm sure it looked like Dany was stood on a ship in the ep 4 preview, which is most likely one of Yara's, but...

Yara only had a handful if people left, euron has most of that lot

As Niamh says, Yara has far fewer ships and followers than Euron. Not that they'll need many ships to transport Dany's army as she can't have much of that left either :umm2:. The only reason she still stands a chance against Cersei is that she still has two dragons... the Dothraki are gone and the Unsullied by the looks of it have not many left either. She must have a few thousand fighters left, at best??

[Smithy]

The annoying thing about the final battle with Cersei is that Bran could see exactly what she’s doing and tell them but I bet he won’t :skull:

[user104658]

The annoying thing about the final battle with Cersei is that Bran could see exactly what she’s doing and tell them but I bet he won’t :skull:

I don't think he's "supposed to" basically... he can take an active role in the supernatural stuff but when it comes to human politics he's supposed to be impartial and stay out of it.

THAT SAID...

...There's the whole thing with him being a partially "incomplete" Three Eyed Raven that makes me think there is still some Bran in there. For example, he clearly wasn't impartial when it came to Littlefinger's "trial", and disclosed things he had seen Littlefinger say in the past.

So he might drop hints even though he's not supposed to. Though I suspect he'd only give hints that would help the Starks, not Daenerys herself.

[Epic.]

The annoying thing about the final battle with Cersei is that Bran could see exactly what she’s doing and tell them but I bet he won’t :skull:

This is why I want him killed off so much

[Nicky91]

Ah yes, West World music is amazing aswell

indeed :love:

apparently Ramin also made the music for Clash of the Titans, Pacific Rim, Iron Man, Red Dawn

he had additional music for pirates of the caribbean curse of the black pearl


so he has worked closely with music composer legend Hans Zimmer :flutter:

[Niamh.]

I don't think he's "supposed to" basically... he can take an active role in the supernatural stuff but when it comes to human politics he's supposed to be impartial and stay out of it.

THAT SAID...

...There's the whole thing with him being a partially "incomplete" Three Eyed Raven that makes me think there is still some Bran in there. For example, he clearly wasn't impartial when it came to Littlefinger's "trial", and disclosed things he had seen Littlefinger say in the past.

So he might drop hints even though he's not supposed to. Though I suspect he'd only give hints that would help the Starks, not Daenerys herself.

Also he told Sam about Jon being a Targaryen

[Smithy]

I don't think he's "supposed to" basically... he can take an active role in the supernatural stuff but when it comes to human politics he's supposed to be impartial and stay out of it.

THAT SAID...

...There's the whole thing with him being a partially "incomplete" Three Eyed Raven that makes me think there is still some Bran in there. For example, he clearly wasn't impartial when it came to Littlefinger's "trial", and disclosed things he had seen Littlefinger say in the past.

So he might drop hints even though he's not supposed to. Though I suspect he'd only give hints that would help the Starks, not Daenerys herself.

Bran: sorry no spoilers

[BBDodge]

This is why I want him killed off so much

Yes, too much Bran makes for a dull serial.

[Scarlett.]

The annoying thing about the final battle with Cersei is that Bran could see exactly what she’s doing and tell them but I bet he won’t :skull:

Can he see down south? His powers are tied with the Wierwoods aren't they? And the south cut all of theirs down

[reece(:]

Bring old Bran back :(

[Smithy]

Had Vicky been on since the ep? :omgno:

[Smithy]

Can he see down south? His powers are tied with the Wierwoods aren't they? And the south cut all of theirs down

Well he says he sees everything that happens anywhere, so I would have thought so :shrug: I imagine there’s other stuff that has happened that he saw that’s been referenced, but icr what

[bots]

Bran uses the woods because thats where his sight has the most power (his power comes from the old gods) He can see anything that ever happened in the past or is happening now, but he doesn't seem to be able to see the future.

[Niamh.]

Ugh reading some youtube comments and people are complaining about how high Arya jumped being unrealistic.... in an episode with zombies, zombie giants, magic spells setting swords on fire, an amulet that keeps someone young and dragons ............but someone jumping high is too far fetched :facepalm:

[reece(:]

Ugh reading some youtube comments and people are complaining about how high Arya jumped being unrealistic.... in an episode with zombies, zombie giants, magic spells setting swords on fire, an amulet that keeps someone young and dragons ............but someone jumping high is too far fetched :facepalm:
Out of the many things far fetched, that's an interesting one to pick up on :joker:

[Glenn.]

The most far fetching part of that drop was her screaming as she jumped expecting him not to turn around

[user104658]

Ugh reading some youtube comments and people are complaining about how high Arya jumped being unrealistic.... in an episode with zombies, zombie giants, magic spells setting swords on fire, an amulet that keeps someone young and dragons ............but someone jumping high is too far fetched :facepalm:

:nono: Those are in-universe established possibilities though, whereas humans in GoT only have human abilities unless otherwise specified (such as magic) and Arya doesn't have super jumping abilities.

THAT SAID... I had just assumed that she jumped down from a higher point :shrug:. She could even have vaulted off a random Wight that was standing there; or if you look just before in that scene (top down view before Theon charges) you can see that there are piles of the dead that Theon has killed... she could have done a running jump off of one of those :shrug:.

[user104658]

Actually just frame-by-framed the scene and right behind Arya after she stabs the night king, there's an iron basket... thing... with a torch inside it. So there you go - she ran up and vaulted off of the top of that. Problem solved :joker:.

[Niamh.]

:nono: Those are in-universe established possibilities though, whereas humans in GoT only have human abilities unless otherwise specified (such as magic) and Arya doesn't have super jumping abilities.

THAT SAID... I had just assumed that she jumped down from a higher point :shrug:. She could even have vaulted off a random Wight that was standing there; or if you look just before in that scene (top down view before Theon charges) you can see that there are piles of the dead that Theon has killed... she could have done a running jump off of one of those :shrug:.

Tbf though out of all of the human characters she's probably the one who has gone through the most intense physical training so I assumed, like you, she was using the tools at hand so to speak

[user104658]

http://i66.tinypic.com/2l9pqpj.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/5zjzhc.jpg

Distance checks out if you ask me

[Niamh.]

Makes sense, there's footage of her actually doing that scene and they have her coming downwards from a platform so she's obviously supposed to have jumped down off something. People are being willfully obtuse about it :laugh:

https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bis9my/spoilers_proof_that_arya_didnt_jump_down_from_the/

[Vicky.]

The theory I've seen is that the NK was only vulnerable when next to the three eyed raven tree / Bran himself (something about being tied to a magic tree when he was created?) and so Bran actually knew all along that the NK had to be lured to the tree at just that moment, and knew that Arya would kill him, so he actually was "doing his thing" just by making sure that the timing was perfect and everyone was where they were meant to be, when they were meant to be there. Sort of like the Lord Of Light repeatedly resurrecting Beric because he was destined to save Arya, who was in turn destined to kill the Night King...

Yup this makes sense. Bran only gave his 'you are a good man' speech to Theon to basically make him sacrifice himself to give Arya that little bit more time to reach them. Otherwise it would have been over seconds before she arrived.

I am also kind of believing in the littlefinger/faceless man theory now. Random thought I know. I never saw that theory before watching this episode..and it kind of makes sense to me. It WAS a very random scene, where littlefinger gave that random coin to a random girl..a couple of episodes before he was killed. It is also so not littlefinger to not know that was coming, especially after Bran basically told him that he knew the assasination attempt was him. Nor is it in character to beg for his life and such rather than be a smarmy twat. Also makes the many faced god thing a bit more..well having point to it. I know the assasin part was necessary due to Aryas badassery however, all the swapping faces stuff, there must be more to it than it being about her being able to kill house Frey.

Genuinely would not be surprised to see him back in the next couple of episodes or something. Very interesting that the dagger he gave to Bran, who gave it to Arya, ended up being the thing to kill TNK (or it looked that way to me? Might be wrong).

Also, seems a very rare opinion but I was really underwhelmed by this episode D: I was maybe expecting too much..but I was expecting as promised, an episode miles better than battle of the bastards, and tbh for me, this didn't even come close. Too many main characters survived when near all the rest of the thousands were wiped out. The ****ing plot armour they all have is astounding, you can really tell GRRM doesn't really control anything now, as we have gone from main characters being randomly killed off for stupid decisions, to the main characters being invincible! Jorah and Theon were such obvious deaths that I don't think they even bloody count as main character deaths :laugh: The women/girls definitely won this episode though. I was really pleased Arya was the one, not the obvious candidates. Jon was ****ing useless all episode too. I did kind of like his 'no ****s given' look while walking past Sam though. Sam annoyed me way too much. He is the reason Edd is dead, and no doubt countless others too. He knew he couldn't fight, he killed the other whitewalker by luck over anything else, everyone told him to bugger off to the crypt (which was obviously not going to be bloody safe but lets ignore that..) yet he insisted on being there, just so he could cause a few more deaths by people trying to save his arse!

Also annoying was how stupid both sides were. Sending all the dothraki to their deaths was..insane. And the night king, I really was expecting him to send an army of wights to Winterfell to keep them busy, meanwhile he went off to kings landing, to make his army like 1m larger and actually punish cersei for her decision to be a twat, rather than proving her to be right! Its kind of annoying too, how since the first episode the army of the dead and that was made out to be some kind of unstoppable threat, yet the first real time the humans stood against them, they won without any real losses..

[Vicky.]

I do think Cersei is gonna have something up her sleeve no doubt, it's gonna be interesting seeing what she has planned. I just hope Ewwwwron dies quick cause he's annoying :laugh:

I fully expect for as soon as she starts losing, her to just blow kings landing up with her stores of wild fire. Or something.

IIRC the golden company are basically Targ loyalists too? This hasn't been touched on in the show but fairly sure I remember something along those lines from the books. So I am quite sure, once they see the dragons and realise they are figting Targaeryns (when they see dragons..) for them to jump ship.

I am really wondering what Tyrion learnt from Bran too, in his hours long chat...that seems to have been very glossed over, but I am sure there was a reason for it which will become evident soon.

I am still baffled by how most bookies have Bran fave to be on the iron throne?!

[user104658]

Yup this makes sense. Bran only gave his 'you are a good man' speech to Theon to basically make him sacrifice himself to give Arya that little bit more time to reach them. Otherwise it would have been over seconds before she arrived.

Yeah I was thinking that; Bran has been so detached when talking to people, why suddenly "taking a moral stance" with Theon? I don't even think it was to encourage him to attack... I think Theon would have done so anyway / already knew it was over and he was dead no matter what. I think he actually engaged with Theon to delay him launching his attack. Theon is staring at the Night King, Bran calls his name and he turns round, and then it's like *long pause*... You're a good man. *long pause* ...Thankyou. And THEN Theon turns back and charges. There's actually a full 50 seconds between him saying "Theon" and Theon actually running at the NK. If he had charged as soon as the NK arrived, Bran would def have been dead before Arya's RrrEEEeeeEEEeeEEE! moment.

[arista]

http://i66.tinypic.com/2l9pqpj.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/5zjzhc.jpg

Distance checks out if you ask me


So what
you pick any video to bits
proves nothing

[Nicky91]

Arya messed everything up killing my king :sad:

so now we will just get our fairytale happy ending probably :sleep:

had expected more tbh, i'm disappointed in the outcome of that battle

[arista]

Ugh reading some youtube comments and people are complaining about how high Arya jumped being unrealistic.... in an episode with zombies, zombie giants, magic spells setting swords on fire, an amulet that keeps someone young and dragons ............but someone jumping high is too far fetched :facepalm:



As its so dark
anything can happen
Good Job One
brave knight stayed with her
The Queen had to start killing herself

[arista]

Arya messed everything up killing my king :sad:

so now we will just get our fairytale happy ending probably :sleep:

had expected more tbh, i'm disappointed in the outcome of that battle


No Way
another Deadly War of 2 Groups happens next

[Nicky91]

No Way
another Deadly War of 2 Groups happens next

yeah but still i see them beating Cersei quite easily, if you can beat a tough night king army, cersei's army is a piece of cake compared to that :laugh:


so i cannot see anyone of the good guys dying anymore

[Vicky.]

Yeah I was thinking that; Bran has been so detached when talking to people, why suddenly "taking a moral stance" with Theon? I don't even think it was to encourage him to attack... I think Theon would have done so anyway / already knew it was over and he was dead no matter what. I think he actually engaged with Theon to delay him launching his attack. Theon is staring at the Night King, Bran calls his name and he turns round, and then it's like *long pause*... You're a good man. *long pause* ...Thankyou. And THEN Theon turns back and charges. There's actually a full 50 seconds between him saying "Theon" and Theon actually running at the NK. If he had charged as soon as the NK arrived, Bran would def have been dead before Arya's RrrEEEeeeEEEeeEEE! moment.

Hmm yeah it works better that way :laugh:

So bloody unrealistic though, I mean, I know they were fighting zombies and whatnot so the levels of realism weren't exactly high, but all of theons iron born died bar him. Near the entirity of the main army died with only a couple of casualties of the cast. I think this was my main issue with the episode, besides that it was quite well done, besides having a lighting team that seems to think a single candle is good enough :D

[Vicky.]

yeah but still i see them beating Cersei quite easily, if you can beat a tough night king army, cersei's army is a piece of cake compared to that :laugh:



I can see why you would think that in theory. However I can't see cerseis army all dropping the second she is killed in such a way :p

I am convinced she will blow up all of KL with the wildfire stuff. Its been a large focus of near all her battle plans, and shes not exactly opposed to suicidal plans if she thinks her side is losing.

[Niamh.]

I suppose the difference between Cersei and the NK is Cersei can be sneaky and strategic where as the Nk and army of dead just go forward and kill

[Nicky91]

and where is that Daario anyway :think: because he had stayed behind in Essos, right


could he have noticed Euron arriving in Essos to get the Golden Company reinforcements

[Niamh.]

Yes I wonder Nicky will he be a part of the bought army and if he'll get his crew to switch to Danis side? :think:

[Vicky.]

I suppose the difference between Cersei and the NK is Cersei can be sneaky and strategic where as the Nk and army of dead just go forward and kill

Thats another reason I was so pissed with how it went down actually. Made out that TNK was just rubbish and thick! I really was expecting the bulk of his army to take KL while the rest were keeping Winterfell entertained..not him to just fly around for a bit looking mildly bored then walk into a trap :hehe:

[Nicky91]

Yes I wonder Nicky will he be a part of the bought army and if he'll get his crew to switch to Danis side? :think:

he had been absent bc Michiel had other series he was in

Haunting of Hill House, one of the lead characters there

[Niamh.]

Thats another reason I was so pissed with how it went down actually. Made out that TNK was just rubbish and thick! I really was expecting the bulk of his army to take KL while the rest were keeping Winterfell entertained..not him to just fly around for a bit looking mildly bored then walk into a trap :hehe:

Yeah but he's just a glorified Zombie, not a strategist, I think this is an important distinction between humans and the dead in Game of Thrones, there's no sneaky plan, just find and destroy where as the humans are always changing sides and lying and conning people and double crossing etc, the dead just want humans obliterated and they go forward and kill all they meet, no Game just death

[user104658]

Yes I wonder Nicky will he be a part of the bought army and if he'll get his crew to switch to Danis side? :think:

That's a good point... he leads a mercenary army that may well have been recruited by Cersei unknowingly, and is now sat amongst the rest of her soldiers-for-pay like a Trojan Horse. Maybe Dany even knows about it :omgno:

[Niamh.]

That's a good point... he leads a mercenary army that may well have been recruited by Cersei unknowingly, and is now sat amongst the rest of her soldiers-for-pay like a Trojan Horse. Maybe Dany even knows about it :omgno:

Something like this is going to have to happen I think, their army is so depleted after the Battle of Winterfell

[user104658]

Something like this is going to have to happen I think, their army is so depleted after the Battle of WinterfellThey do still have two fully grown dragons though, that could burn through tens of thousands of troops in seconds. Cersei has the anti-dragon-ballistas but surely Bronn got lucky with his shot and it would actually be pretty difficult to hit a dragon flying full speed :think:.

They also have Arya :omgno:.

[arista]

yeah but still i see them beating Cersei quite easily, if you can beat a tough night king army, cersei's army is a piece of cake compared to that :laugh:


so i cannot see anyone of the good guys dying anymore


Utter Rubbish
Assassins can enter any place
it just takes proper planning , NICKY

[Tom4784]

The Night King was arrogant, the dragons were out of comission, Dany wasn't far from getting killed, Jon would have followed her and everyone in Winterfell was getting overrun. I think the Night King has some strategic know how because he knew to hold off killing the group in the north last season until the dragons showed up.

I just think he assumed he had won and was savouring his presumed victory to the point he underestimated Arya.

Everybody that loses in GoT loses because of a character flaw, the Night King's flaw was arrogance.

[Niamh.]

They do still have two fully grown dragons though, that could burn through tens of thousands of troops in seconds. Cersei has the anti-dragon-ballistas but surely Bronn got lucky with his shot and it would actually be pretty difficult to hit a dragon flying full speed :think:.

They also have Arya :omgno:.

:worship:

I see atleast one if not both Dragons dying :bawling:

[Niamh.]

The Night King was arrogant, the dragons were out of comission, Dany wasn't far from getting killed, Jon would have followed her and everyone in Winterfell was getting overrun. I think the Night King has some strategic know how because he knew to hold off killing the group in the north last season until the dragons showed up.

I just think he assumed he had won and was savouring his presumed victory to the point he underestimated Arya.

Everybody that loses in GoT loses because of a character flaw, the Night King's flaw was arrogance.

It's a bit Shakespearean like that :flutter:

[arista]

The Night King was arrogant, the dragons were out of comission, Dany wasn't far from getting killed, Jon would have followed her and everyone in Winterfell was getting overrun. I think the Night King has some strategic know how because he knew to hold off killing the group in the north last season until the dragons showed up.

I just think he assumed he had won and was savouring his presumed victory to the point he underestimated Arya.

Everybody that loses in GoT loses because of a character flaw, the Night King's flaw was arrogance.


Yes but you must Love his Glare


Feel The Force

[arista]

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I mean got the Dead
even though killed with the correct tool,
Alive again

What Fantastic Power
Dezzy

[reece(:]

So SZA gets the iron throne? Slay!

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[bots]

Root and stem

[Glenn.]

So SZA gets the iron throne? Slay!

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The queen we deserve

[Jordan.]

I'm annoyed @ seeing spoilers

[Daniel.]

The spoilers :omgno:

I'm gonna have to stay up

[Glenn.]

I’m raging

[bots]

here we go

[bots]

oh ****


edit: :bawling::bawling::bawling:

[Glenn.]

I’m raging

.

[Ninastar]

Ugh

[arista]

The New War
is back on.

[Mokka]

This episode is serving Jamie Lannisters Stockholm syndrome edit.... why couldn't he have just let Brienne of Tarth and Tormund get it on. Selfish bastard.

[bots]

i'm more upset about this episode than last weeks :fist:

[Shaun]

Was a pretty good episode up until the confusing, closing quarter.

Why, oh why, oh why, would Cersei not just order her massive collection of longbows to murder the final dragon, Daenerys, her so-called treacherous imp brother, and what remained of the unsullied there and then? Made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

And also **** Jon for abandoning his direwolf :oh: "oh just take it north or whatever"

[bots]

And also **** Jon for abandoning his direwolf :oh: "oh just take it north or whatever"

not even a goodbye pat

[BBDodge]

The New War
is back on.

No, they've blown the budget last weak. This war will end cheaply.

[The Slim Reaper]

What an irredeemable ****show this last season is turning into.

Still, at least the starbucks in Winterfell is doing a roaring trade.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D53MxvKX4AEM67V.jpg

[bots]

lool too funny

[BBDodge]

House Starbuck has pledged allegiance to the King in the North.

[Amy Jade]

I teared up when they burned the bodies, so sad - still sad Lady Lyanna went last week, she was easily my favourite side character.

[Epic.]

Can someone please explain to me what the deal with Bronn is?? I know he's a man of money or whatever, but there's been times he's put that aside to genuinely care for Tyrion and Jaime alike yet here he is threatening to kill them and telling them they've ****ed him over constantly, only to immediately shove it to one side once Tyrion offers him a higher paid offer than Cersei did.

The only explanation I can think of is that he was just ****ing with them and was never actually going to harm them, and just wanted to outsmart them into giving him money

[Ammi]

What an irredeemable ****show this last season is turning into.

Still, at least the starbucks in Winterfell is doing a roaring trade.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D53MxvKX4AEM67V.jpg

...that extra caffeine boost for when winter is dragon a bit...


...ughhhh next week, the suspense....

[BBDodge]

Can someone please explain to me what the deal with Bronn is?? I know he's a man of money or whatever, but there's been times he's put that aside to genuinely care for Tyrion and Jaime alike yet here he is threatening to kill them and telling them they've ****ed him over constantly, only to immediately shove it to one side once Tyrion offers him a higher paid offer than Cersei did.

The only explanation I can think of is that he was just ****ing with them and was never actually going to harm them, and just wanted to outsmart them into giving him money

That would be my take on it.

[user104658]

Can someone please explain to me what the deal with Bronn is?? I know he's a man of money or whatever, but there's been times he's put that aside to genuinely care for Tyrion and Jaime alike yet here he is threatening to kill them and telling them they've ****ed him over constantly, only to immediately shove it to one side once Tyrion offers him a higher paid offer than Cersei did.

The only explanation I can think of is that he was just ****ing with them and was never actually going to harm them, and just wanted to outsmart them into giving him money

Probably that to be honest. Never really intended to kill them but saw an opportunity to get something out of it in the process.

[Amy Jade]

Rhaegal </3

I gasped and I want Euron dead. I hope Drogon burns the bastard.

[Amy Jade]

Missandei :sad:

Can't wait to see Cersei die. Lena Headey plays her so brilliantly!

[BBDodge]

Missandei :sad:

Can't wait to see Cersei die. Lena Headey plays her so brilliantly!

She hasn't been given enough to do this series.

Hope Jamie heading south will give us some more Lannister intrigue.

[Ramsay]

Just pet the ****ing dog Jon

[bots]

Missandei :sad:

Can't wait to see Cersei die. Lena Headey plays her so brilliantly!

i felt genuine dislike for her at the end of that episode :laugh:

[Epic.]

Can see Cersei killing one of the main characters next week that have been vital to the show from beginning to the end so that they can really hype up the finale

[DouglasS]

Episode
I predicted missandei being killed would turn Dany into the mad queen and I think it’s happening! Although I predicted it to happen in the battle of winterfell. Her death and Jorahs leave her with no one that will have her back 100% now

[user104658]

Can see Cersei killing one of the main characters next week that have been vital to the show from beginning to the end so that they can really hype up the finaleI have a vague inclination that Cersei might kill Tyrion (or have him killed at least) and that will be the final straw that prompts Jaime to kill her (becoming the "Queenslayer" and bringing his arc full circle).

[bots]

I have a vague inclination that Cersei might kill Tyrion (or have him killed at least) and that will be the final straw that prompts Jaime to kill her (becoming the "Queenslayer" and bringing his arc full circle).

i think Jaime is heading back to kings landing to kill her, that is his way of putting things right and it fits with the prophesy. I think Arya may die next week as she is after Cersei and it's destined to be Jaime/Tyrion that kills her

[DouglasS]

I always thought Brianne would be killed that would make jamie kill Cersei, although unsure now that she is in winterfell.

Looking forward to the hound vs mountain

I’m assuming aryas unfinished business is Cersei but I do not think she will achieve that also, it’ll likely by Jamie!

[user104658]

I always thought Brianne would be killed that would make jamie kill Cersei, although unsure now that she is in winterfell.

Looking forward to the hound vs mountain

I’m assuming aryas unfinished business is Cersei but I do not think she will achieve that also, it’ll likely by Jamie!Well, I think Jaime made out like he's still on Cersei's side and is "a hateful person" so that she won't try to follow him to King's Landing and also because he might think he's likely to be killed and wants to soften that for her. But... It's Brienne and she might follow him anyway :worry:.

Meaning she might either die, or Jaime might kill Cersei to save Brienne. If it's the latter my bet is on The Mountain then killing Jaime before then being killed himself in an epic clash with The Hound get hype get hype.

With an outside option on The Mountain getting the upper hand and being about to kill Hound, then getting an Arya arrow through the face. They've been showing off her bow / throwing knife accuracy an awful lot this season...

[Daniel.]

I thought that was amazing and am happy Dany seems to be turning i to the mad queen, it makes her more interesting

I think its pretty inevitable at this point the main character who dies is

Daenarys

[DouglasS]

I also think Sansa wants the throne for herself, and this better person she talks of is not actually Jon and is talking of herself. That’s her main problem
With Dany.

As Jon was able to get support to be king despite the followers believing he had no claim (as they are under the impression he’s a bastard) and so it wouldn’t be a wild jump for Sansa to believe she can.

[Jordan.]

Dany's fumes building gradually to the climax at the end had me SHOOK. We're ready for her to quit playing and show them what she's really capable of. Toast them all our mad queen :flutter:

[Jordan.]

If she doesn't get Drogon some armour though smh

[Scarlett.]

I also think Sansa wants the throne for herself, and this better person she talks of is not actually Jon and is talking of herself. That’s her main problem
With Dany.

As Jon was able to get support to be king despite the followers believing he had no claim (as they are under the impression he’s a bastard) and so it wouldn’t be a wild jump for Sansa to believe she can.

I dunno, I think Sansa is happy staying at Wintefell forever, she doesn't care about the South, she just wants the North to be safe, with Jon, it always will be.

[user104658]

I also think Sansa wants the throne for herself, and this better person she talks of is not actually Jon and is talking of herself. That’s her main problem
With Dany.

As Jon was able to get support to be king despite the followers believing he had no claim (as they are under the impression he’s a bastard) and so it wouldn’t be a wild jump for Sansa to believe she can.

I don't think Sansa has shown any indication that she's interested in the Iron Throne - she wants The North to be free and I think she would happily accept the role of Lady of Winterfell / "Queen in the North". She basically hates the South, especially King's Landing, and everything it stands for since her time there.

Pro-indy Wee Nic Stark :flutter:.

[user104658]

I dunno, I think Sansa is happy staying at Wintefell forever, she doesn't care about the South, she just wants the North to be safe, with Jon, it always will be.Exactly, she knows that Danaerys fully intends to rule all 7 of the 7 kingdoms, she's made that very clear, whereas she knows that it'll be easy to convince Jon not only to leave the North to the North, but probably to grant it full autonomy from the other 6 as its own kingdom.

[Jordan.]

The north are such brexiteers they'd literally all be dead if Dany didn't give them an army and dragons but still it's nope she's not one of us x

[BBDodge]

I always thought Brianne would be killed that would make jamie kill Cersei, although unsure now that she is in winterfell.

Looking forward to the hound vs mountain

I’m assuming aryas unfinished business is Cersei but I do not think she will achieve that also, it’ll likely by Jamie!

There's going to be a queue to finish off Cersei.

[Glenn.]

I hope she turns full mad queen and burns them all seriously. I was going off her in last nights episode but by the end she’s completely justified

[BBDodge]

I don't think the show would dare make Dany mad as we already have a mad queen on the throne.

Two of them would be lazy writing.

And having a nice, sane, male hero come in to take the throne instead would be a massive let-down.

[Scarlett.]

Yes, Dany is only just becoming the Mad Queen

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Totally out of nowhere development

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Nobody could have seen this coming

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Never could imagine Danaerys turning cruel when she can't get her way

[RileyH]

missandei

https://media.giphy.com/media/115xl1VPRosfmM/giphy.gif

[Glenn.]

Yes, Dany is only just becoming the Mad Queen

xpCocBknqWI

Totally out of nowhere development

1dlouhDNgdE

Nobody could have seen this coming

qV3IOrxlNq4

Never could imagine Danaerys turning cruel when she can't get her way

You’ve got to be delusional if you think this ending serves the story, Its not even about dany going mad, it's about the plot literally bending so that it could fit the dany going mad narrative, when literally nothing justifies it. You spend 7 seasons with her learning about her father, about controlling her impulses, and apparently she just has a massive personality shift in two episodes.

You obviously have the fact that none of this feels earned. Her losing her armies was unrealistic (why the **** would thousands of Dothraki charge into darkness) Her losing her dragons (Rhaegal at least) was done in an extremely non sensical way (as if she couldn’t see those ships from so high above?). Everyone betraying her for what? Varys because he feels like jon would be a better ruler because he doesn't want to be one, despite literally going against robert for being the damn same thing? Her character is being butchered.*

The clips you posted - the nobles of mereen were behind the sons of the harpies, the people who were trying to kill her/her army and put thousands of people back into slavery, she kills them and apparently that’s a sign of madness? She should have let them live? Allowed them to kill thousands of innocents and enslave thousands more :umm2:

It's hypocritical for people to jump at her while giving everyone else free passes. And the "my way" choice that she lays on the floor for the Tarlys is extremely fair, just and comes with no consequence other than to pledge fielty to her. Why shouldn't she burn her WAR prisioners, those who literally betrayed their leige lords (The North Remembers!!!! but **** that because we must make DANY seem like a MAD QUEEN!) and those who refuse to bend their knees when they've just lost a war and are at the mercy of the winner? She has no purpose for them. Why keep them alive? So she can have more knives in her back? It’s not like any other winner of a battle would even give them that option.

In Quarth she was betrayed by a close friend, why the hell wouldn’t she punish them? Arya poisons hundreds of people to avenge her family, nobody bats an eyelid, Jon beheads a man for not following orders and nobody cares because he’s a man, but dany locks away someone she thought she could trust and she’s the mad queen?

The whole concept that she’s becoming paranoid is ridiculous because she’s completely right in what she’s thinking, they are against her, they cheer Jon for riding HER dragon even though she’s been doing for years, she bends over backwards to protect the north and not even a thank you, Sansa acting like a spoilt BRAT still! Its bad writing because it's not "madness'', it's fear and anger and for all the right reasons, she’s lost two of her children, half of her army, her closest advisor and her best friend of course she’s going to be pushed to breaking point, that’s not madness that’s natural. She’s had years of character development listening to her council, not acting on impulse, proving that she would be a good leader and it’s ruined with 1 episode with them falsely, without any reason, accusing her of being temperamental or losing her mind.

Cersei blows up a sept killing hundreds of innocent people but Dany who literally wants to do nothing but break the wheel of tyranny is the mad queen, yeah ok sis :idc: listening to her council, not acting on impulse, proving that she would be a good leader and it’s ruined with 1 episode with them falsely, without any reason, accusing her of being temperamental or losing her mind.

Cersei blows up a sept killing hundreds of innocent people but Dany who literally wants to do nothing but break the wheel of tyranny is the mad queen, yeah ok sis :idc:

[Scarlett.]

You’ve got to be delusional if you think this ending serves the story, Its not even about dany going mad, it's about the plot literally bending so that it could fit the dany going mad narrative, when literally nothing justifies it. You spend 7 seasons with her learning about her father, about controlling her impulses, and apparently she just has a massive personality shift in two episodes.

You obviously have the fact that none of this feels earned. Her losing her armies was unrealistic (why the **** would thousands of Dothraki charge into darkness) Her losing her dragons (Rhaegal at least) was done in an extremely non sensical way (as if she couldn’t see those ships from so high above?). Everyone betraying her for what? Varys because he feels like jon would be a better ruler because he doesn't want to be one, despite literally going against robert for being the damn same thing? Her character is being butchered.*

The clips you posted - the nobles of mereen were behind the sons of the harpies, the people who were trying to kill her/her army and put thousands of people back into slavery, she kills them and apparently that’s a sign of madness? She should have let them live? Allowed them to kill thousands of innocents and enslave thousands more :umm2:

It's hypocritical for people to jump at her while giving everyone else free passes. And the "my way" choice that she lays on the floor for the Tarlys is extremely fair, just and comes with no consequence other than to pledge fielty to her. Why shouldn't she burn her WAR prisioners, those who literally betrayed their leige lords (The North Remembers!!!! but **** that because we must make DANY seem like a MAD QUEEN!) and those who refuse to bend their knees when they've just lost a war and are at the mercy of the winner? She has no purpose for them. Why keep them alive? So she can have more knives in her back? It’s not like any other winner of a battle would even give them that option.

In Quarth she was betrayed by a close friend, why the hell wouldn’t she punish them? Arya poisons hundreds of people to avenge her family, nobody bats an eyelid, Jon beheads a man for not following orders and nobody cares because he’s a man, but dany locks away someone she thought she could trust and she’s the mad queen?

The whole concept that she’s becoming paranoid is ridiculous because she’s completely right in what she’s thinking, they are against her, they cheer Jon for riding HER dragon even though she’s been doing for years, she bends over backwards to protect the north and not even a thank you, Sansa acting like a spoilt BRAT still! Its bad writing because it's not "madness'', it's fear and anger and for all the right reasons, she’s lost two of her children, half of her army, her closest advisor and her best friend of course she’s going to be pushed to breaking point, that’s not madness that’s natural. She’s had years of character development listening to her council, not acting on impulse, proving that she would be a good leader and it’s ruined with 1 episode with them falsely, without any reason, accusing her of being temperamental or losing her mind.

Cersei blows up a sept killing hundreds of innocent people but Dany who literally wants to do nothing but break the wheel of tyranny is the mad queen, yeah ok sis :idc: listening to her council, not acting on impulse, proving that she would be a good leader and it’s ruined with 1 episode with them falsely, without any reason, accusing her of being temperamental or losing her mind.

Cersei blows up a sept killing hundreds of innocent people but Dany who literally wants to do nothing but break the wheel of tyranny is the mad queen, yeah ok sis :idc:

Except Dany didn't know if the nobles she fed to the dragon were actually guilty or not, she didn't care

The Tarly's shouldn't have been burned alive for refusing to bend the knee, beheaded maybe, or just taken prisoner, when it comes down to it, they were only staying loyal to the actual current Queen.

The two who were locked in the safe, fair enough, even though it is a bit cruel still.

There was also the time she crucified the masters, hundreds of people, who may have deserved it, but yet again, cruel.

She burned all the Khals alive in Vaes Dothrak

She let her own brother be killed by having molten gold poured onto his head

Jon Snow however, beheaded Janos Slynt because he broke his vows to the Night's Watch, and he was given a swift and painless death, Jon Snow was MURDERED and gave his killers a swift death, he shot Mance Rayder with a bow to prevent him having to suffer being burned to death.

It's funny that Dany's preferred method of execution is one method she cannot physically suffer. I'm not saying she doesn't have her reasons for going down this path, but, she isn't the only one who has suffered, you could make a similar case for anyone. Fact is, if Dany kills the innocents at the Red Keep next week, that is when she will truly become the Mad Queen. Maybe she will, maybe she wont.

[Denver]

Dany needs to die and take Jon with her

[Glenn.]

Except Dany didn't know if the nobles she fed to the dragon were actually guilty or not, she didn't care

The Tarly's shouldn't have been burned alive for refusing to bend the knee, beheaded maybe, or just taken prisoner, when it comes down to it, they were only staying loyal to the actual current Queen.

The two who were locked in the safe, fair enough, even though it is a bit cruel still.

There was also the time she crucified the masters, hundreds of people, who may have deserved it, but yet again, cruel.

She burned all the Khals alive in Vaes Dothrak

She let her own brother be killed by having molten gold poured onto his head

Jon Snow however, beheaded Janos Slynt because he broke his vows to the Night's Watch, and he was given a swift and painless death, Jon Snow was MURDERED and gave his killers a swift death, he shot Mance Rayder with a bow to prevent him having to suffer being burned to death.

It's funny that Dany's preferred method of execution is one method she cannot physically suffer. I'm not saying she doesn't have her reasons for going down this path, but, she isn't the only one who has suffered, you could make a similar case for anyone. Fact is, if Dany kills the innocents at the Red Keep next week, that is when she will truly become the Mad Queen. Maybe she will, maybe she wont.

Well when it was proven in battle of the bastards that it was the masters that were behind it then it doesn’t matter? She was right, she didn’t execute anyone unfairly, I think you’re forgetting she literally CHAINED UP HER DRAGONS out of fear of them killing somebody, what kind of MaD QuEeN does that?! It doesn’t work, she’s a good person, she’s trying to protect people.

Erm actually if you remember house Tarly was loyal to house Tyrell who were Targaryen supporters, Randall Tarly defied Olenna to support Cersei (who’s only queen because she murdered hundreds of people and caused her son to commit suicide - hardly an argument for why he should be loyal to the current queen), we’ve seen that in the direct line of fire of Dragon Fire, people are reduced to ashes in seconds, it’s probably as painless as being beheaded, the body wouldn’t have time to react to the pain, before its destroyed.

She crucified the masters because they crucified innocent children? If your argument is she’s going mad because she retaliated in the same manner as the masters it’s not very strong :conf2:

She burned alive a bunch of men who wanted to keep her prisoner in Vaes Dothrak, they would have kept her raped her and used her as a brood mare, she isn’t a fighter, why shouldn’t she use a skill she has to kill them and escape? It’s not like she could have argued her point, honestly a ridiculous argument.

A quote from her brother “I would let his whole tribe **** you- all 40,000 men and their horses too if that's what it took.” He also threatens to kill her unborn child, there can’t be bloodshed at Vaes Dothrak so that was one of the few ways to kill him without doing so.

The reaches people go to, to try and fit this mad queen narrative is exhausting, everything she has done has been with reason, nothing has been a snap judgement which has resulted in the death of innocent people, unlike her father who burned people alive for fun. Her punishments have been harsh, but that is the same of any monarch EVER in this show.

They’re quite clearly pushing for the mad queen narrative based on this episode alone, but my argument is that it’s completely out of character and unjustified, the show is a shadow of its earlier seasons and a complete embarrassment now that they haven’t got George’s material to base it off of. The fact this episode is the lowest rated of all time just goes to prove that. And if Daenerys does go “mad queen” next week, most people would argue that it’s justified considering what has happened to her over the past 5 episodes, it comes from a place of anger and hurt not because of her bloodline.

[Scarlett.]

Well when it was proven in battle of the bastards that it was the masters that were behind it then it doesn’t matter? She was right, she didn’t execute anyone unfairly, I think you’re forgetting she literally CHAINED UP HER DRAGONS out of fear of them killing somebody, what kind of MaD QuEeN does that?! It doesn’t work, she’s a good person, she’s trying to protect people.

Erm actually if you remember house Tarly was loyal to house Tyrell who were Targaryen supporters, Randall Tarly defied Olenna to support Cersei (who’s only queen because she murdered hundreds of people and caused her son to commit suicide - hardly an argument for why he should be loyal to the current queen), we’ve seen that in the direct line of fire of Dragon Fire, people are reduced to ashes in seconds, it’s probably as painless as being beheaded, the body wouldn’t have time to react to the pain, before its destroyed.

She crucified the masters because they crucified innocent children? If your argument is she’s going mad because she retaliated in the same manner as the masters it’s not very strong :conf2:

She burned alive a bunch of men who wanted to keep her prisoner in Vaes Dothrak, they would have kept her raped her and used her as a brood mare, she isn’t a fighter, why shouldn’t she use a skill she has to kill them and escape? It’s not like she could have argued her point, honestly a ridiculous argument.

A quote from her brother “I would let his whole tribe **** you- all 40,000 men and their horses too if that's what it took.” He also threatens to kill her unborn child, there can’t be bloodshed at Vaes Dothrak so that was one of the few ways to kill him without doing so.

The reaches people go to, to try and fit this mad queen narrative is exhausting, everything she has done has been with reason, nothing has been a snap judgement which has resulted in the death of innocent people, unlike her father who burned people alive for fun. Her punishments have been harsh, but that is the same of any monarch EVER in this show.

They’re quite clearly pushing for the mad queen narrative based on this episode alone, but my argument is that it’s completely out of character and unjustified, the show is a shadow of its earlier seasons and a complete embarrassment now that they haven’t got George’s material to base it off of. The fact this episode is the lowest rated of all time just goes to prove that. And if Daenerys does go “mad queen” next week, most people would argue that it’s justified considering what has happened to her over the past 5 episodes, it comes from a place of anger and hurt not because of her bloodline.

The point is, a ruler shouldn't just go around burning all their subjects, the Mad King was known for doing that, there are better ways, but she always seems to choose the cruelest punishment options. For all the talk of breaking the wheel, she seems pretty intent on carrying on where her family left off.

Also sounds like the Tarly's had time to react (https://youtu.be/wXGBZ1s5k9Q?t=326)

[user104658]

I personally think we're supposed to think that Daenerys is becoming a tyrant and power mad but that she's just doing whatever it takes to get the Iron Throne... But when she gets it, she will dismantle it and create a sort of "commonwealth" of the seven kingdoms with no single overlord. She just hasn't told ANYONE what she plans to do as she fears that would be detrimental to the plan... She'll only tip her hand once she has the power.

This is backed up by more or less "friendly" characters becoming the heads of houses...

Yara Greyjoy has taken the Iron Islands, Gendry has been named a Baratheon, when Cersei dies either Jaime or Tyrion (if Jaime dies) will be head of the Lannisters, Sansa will likely lead The North and will be happy once its free, its been implied also that Sansa has influence over the Arryn kid and thus The Vale, Dorne is already supportive of anyone who will take out Cersei, even the idea that Bronn will lead Highgarden... Etc.

The idea may end up being peaceful cooperation of equal individual states, with a group of leaders working together. It would go with the "breaking of chains" ideology?

[Glenn.]

The point is, a ruler shouldn't just go around burning all their subjects, the Mad King was known for doing that, there are better ways, but she always seems to choose the cruelest punishment options. For all the talk of breaking the wheel, she seems pretty intent on carrying on where her family left off.

Also sounds like the Tarly's had time to react (https://youtu.be/wXGBZ1s5k9Q?t=326)

She hasn’t, she’s killed her enemies, and further to that she isn’t a ruler, if they aren’t going to bend the knee they are going to remain enemies. What is she meant to do? Let them live and potentially kill her again?

Her father was known for killing people for fun and enjoying watching them burn at what point has she enjoyed watching anyone die? She hasn’t. End of discussion there.

:joker: how? She hasn’t even had the chance to do anything, the argument is DUMB she’s said numerous times what she wants to accomplish, but apparently she’s mad for trying to accomplish it? The misogyny from the writers and fans of this show is ridiculous.

[bots]

I think the story is being set up for Varys to be chewed by the dragon. He was warned to speak directly to Dani rather than plot behind her back. Pretty sure thats how he is going to meet his end

[Amy Jade]

I personally think we're supposed to think that Daenerys is becoming a tyrant and power mad but that she's just doing whatever it takes to get the Iron Throne... But when she gets it, she will dismantle it and create a sort of "commonwealth" of the seven kingdoms with no single overlord. She just hasn't told ANYONE what she plans to do as she fears that would be detrimental to the plan... She'll only tip her hand once she has the power.

This is backed up by more or less "friendly" characters becoming the heads of houses...

Yara Greyjoy has taken the Iron Islands, Gendry has been named a Baratheon, when Cersei dies either Jaime or Tyrion (if Jaime dies) will be head of the Lannisters, Sansa will likely lead The North and will be happy once its free, its been implied also that Sansa has influence over the Arryn kid and thus The Vale, Dorne is already supportive of anyone who will take out Cersei, even the idea that Bronn will lead Highgarden... Etc.

The idea may end up being peaceful cooperation of equal individual states, with a group of leaders working together. It would go with the "breaking of chains" ideology?

Honestly I would enjoy this outcome.

I went off Dani last year but enjoying her again this year, I would hate her becoming a power mad bitch. Leave that **** to Cersie

[Daniel.]

The dany stans are mad huh

[Daniel.]

I personally think we're supposed to think that Daenerys is becoming a tyrant and power mad but that she's just doing whatever it takes to get the Iron Throne... But when she gets it, she will dismantle it and create a sort of "commonwealth" of the seven kingdoms with no single overlord. She just hasn't told ANYONE what she plans to do as she fears that would be detrimental to the plan... She'll only tip her hand once she has the power.

This is backed up by more or less "friendly" characters becoming the heads of houses...

Yara Greyjoy has taken the Iron Islands, Gendry has been named a Baratheon, when Cersei dies either Jaime or Tyrion (if Jaime dies) will be head of the Lannisters, Sansa will likely lead The North and will be happy once its free, its been implied also that Sansa has influence over the Arryn kid and thus The Vale, Dorne is already supportive of anyone who will take out Cersei, even the idea that Bronn will lead Highgarden... Etc.

The idea may end up being peaceful cooperation of equal individual states, with a group of leaders working together. It would go with the "breaking of chains" ideology?

This would suck and be far too happy

[Scarlett.]

She hasn’t, she’s killed her enemies, and further to that she isn’t a ruler, if they aren’t going to bend the knee they are going to remain enemies. What is she meant to do? Let them live and potentially kill her again?

Her father was known for killing people for fun and enjoying watching them burn at what point has she enjoyed watching anyone die? She hasn’t. End of discussion there.

:joker: how? She hasn’t even had the chance to do anything, the argument is DUMB she’s said numerous times what she wants to accomplish, but apparently she’s mad for trying to accomplish it? The misogyny from the writers and fans of this show is ridiculous.

She could have easily sent the Tarly's to the Wall, sure the Night's Watch is gone now, but it wasn't back then. How is it mysogyny? I think Sansa is a great ruler, because she's very much like her mother and father, she's a Stark, who are honorable. Dany burns people alive on the regular, to the point where dracarys is her catchphrase.

[Glenn.]

She could have easily sent the Tarly's to the Wall, sure the Night's Watch is gone now, but it wasn't back then. How is it mysogyny? I think Sansa is a great ruler, because she's very much like her mother and father, she's a Stark, who are honorable. Dany burns people alive on the regular, to the point where dracarys is her catchphrase.

Randall literally said, ‘you cannot send me to the wall. You are not my queen’ so

[Brother Leon]

Dany is slowly finding out that everything she believed in(Being The True Heir and Mother of Dragons that are unstoppable ) is proving to be false. It’s hardly a stretch that she would turn mad when you consider that, her losses and Targaryen blood.

[Brother Leon]

Although, I don’t know why they are acting like Jon is calm and level headed. He’s had his fair share of emotional and stupid decisions and he’s my fave character.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://i.imgur.com/zrg2fbM.jpg

Leaks are actually out for how it all ends. If you really want to know, you don't have to guess.

[Scarlett.]

Randall literally said, ‘you cannot send me to the wall. You are not my queen’ so

I'm sure if a thief said that, they'd get sent there regardless, it's not a choice

[Niamh.]

I hope she isn't turning mad queen even though I don't like her now and haven't for a while I really liked her at the start.

The hound/Arya team though :worship:

[reece(:]

I want:

Dany to burn Qyburn's snaky ass
Daario returns to save Dany
Yara ends Euron (worst villain EVER)
Hound to end the Mountain
A brutal Cersei death
Dividing the kingdoms style ending..

[MTVN]

Euron is really the best character left tbh

[MTVN]

So is Jaime going back to Kings Landing to help Cersei? Even though he literally had Bron pointing an arrow at his chest on her orders the night before?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

https://i.imgur.com/zrg2fbM.jpg

Leaks are actually out for how it all ends. If you really want to know, you don't have to guess.

:bawling:

[Scarlett.]

I wonder if Euron picked up on the fact that Tyrion knows about the baby even though Cersei is supposed to have only just found out lol

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Euron is really the best character left tbh

:umm2:

This is what sexism does

[MTVN]

:umm2:

This is what sexism does

About time we had a male in this show getting stuff done instead of women just getting all the big wins

[MTVN]

https://media.distractify.com/brand-img/qSmfUNQKU/480x252/euron-greyjoy-1556980998091.jpg

8 seasons of dragons being built up to be so important then this guy takes one down like swatting a fly

[Niamh.]

I wonder if Euron picked up on the fact that Tyrion knows about the baby even though Cersei is supposed to have only just found out lolThat's exactly what I said the minute Tryion said it [emoji23]

[Niamh.]

About time we had a male in this show getting stuff done instead of women just getting all the big winsArya killed the NK, come at me bro? Nah sis [emoji847]

[Niamh.]

https://media.distractify.com/brand-img/qSmfUNQKU/480x252/euron-greyjoy-1556980998091.jpg



8 seasons of dragons being built up to be so important then this guy takes one down like swatting a flyThe Nk killed one first, then Arya killed him [emoji16]

[The Slim Reaper]

That's exactly what I said the minute Tryion said it [emoji23]

He was talking to Qyburn first though, so that could of been talked about between them.

[BBDodge]

I wonder if Euron picked up on the fact that Tyrion knows about the baby even though Cersei is supposed to have only just found out lol

Yes, no little Greyjoy to be heir. If he survives long enough to find out.

[Nicky91]

great episode :clap1: :clap1:

Brienne & Jaime :love: but yeah Jaime's right i hope he's gonna be the one to finish off Cersei for good, would be a great way to settle with Cersei's betrayal to him while he had been loyal to house lannister for so long


poor Rhaegal, but Q (how i call Qyburn, the sort of gadget/weapon creator, same as Q in james bond :laugh2: ) he has a good weapon in that scorpion thing, and i saw they got loads at kings landing of these :eek:

[Niamh.]

He was talking to Qyburn first though, so that could of been talked about between them.

Oh yeah good point, no doubt slimey Qyburn would lie and say that anyhow

[Niamh.]

Also, why didn't Jon atleast give ghost a pat or a cuddle? :oh:

[bots]

We don't know how its going to end and I'm sure there will be a few twists and turns in the final episodes but my feeling is that Dani is being beaten down to make her stronger and finally prevail. I just don't see Jon doing it, and i don't think it would be a particularly satisfying ending if he did.

[Niamh.]

We don't know how its going to end and I'm sure there will be a few twists and turns in the final episodes but my feeling is that Dani is being beaten down to make her stronger and finally prevail. I just don't see Jon doing it, and i don't think it would be a particularly satisfying ending if he did.

I don't think it will be Jon either, one other reason for that is because he already died and so I think he can't survive, like Melisandre and Beric he needs to die properly

[bots]

I don't think it will be Jon either, one other reason for that is because he already died and so I think he can't survive, like Melisandre and Beric he needs to die properly

i also think that all the attention he was getting, people calling him king etc for riding the dragon was a planned misdirection in the plot. Him being the rightful successor will mean nothing if he is dead :laugh:

I think he will last until Varys gets killed then its game over for him

[Niamh.]

i also think that all the attention he was getting, people calling him king etc for riding the dragon was a planned misdirection in the plot. Him being the rightful successor will mean nothing if he is dead :laugh:

At this stage I'd really like Sansa to end up on the throne if someone has to but preferably that it's destroyed and no one ends up there. All I really really want though is for Arya to survive

[bots]

At this stage I'd really like Sansa to end up on the throne if someone has to but preferably that it's destroyed and no one ends up there. All I really really want though is for Arya to survive

i've gone off Sansa, she should have respected the part that Dani played in the North's survival and didn't.

I have a feeling Arya is going to get killed before the end unfortunately

[Niamh.]

i've gone off Sansa, she should have respected the part that Dani played in the North's survival and didn't.

I have a feeling Arya is going to get killed before the end unfortunately

I know I do aswell.

[Tom4784]

That episode killed this series for me. The writing is beyond terrible at this point and the characterisations are being ripped apart to suit the needs of the plot.

The whole 'Dany is mad' thing has NEVER rang true, they tried it a few seasons ago and it didn't work back then because she never seemed insane, it was just dialogue from other characters that was meant to force an arc upon her. It reminds me of Captain Marvel when characters in that film kept saying that Marvel's weaknesses were her emotions but the reality was that she was quietly stoic and competent throughout the whole film.

Everything that happened with Dany that episode felt forced and against character, the writing has taken a hit since they left the books behind but it was straight up AMATEURISH in this episode. Dany has never killed anyone that hasn't made war with her first and she gave the Tarlys a choice and they chose death. The fact that she'd burn thousands of innocents alive in Kings' Landing just feels dumb and out of character. They want to frame her as a villain and they've shat on years of her character arc to force it in one episode. Truly terrible.

Also that scene with Jamie, Bronn and Tyrion was laughably bad, it's like they had five minutes to film it and improvised it as they went along. It was weird and a hatchet job of a scene.

Also the Brienne and Jamie stuff was just fanservice that had the added 'bonus' of making Brienne look weak and pitiful which is annoying given that it's likely to be one of her final scenes. The whole fanservice aspect this season has become a detriment, Arya deciding to go with The Hound just feels like a callback and nothing more and it's just bleh.

I can't see how GOT can recover after this trainwreck of an episode, so close to the end and they completely ****ed it up.

[Tom4784]

Euron's also a terrible character, you can tell the writers wrote him to be this big fan favourite but it's too transparent and the character just isn't that great. They've just taken parts of Bronn, Tormund, The Hound and other popular characters and regurgitated them into a villainous mold that became Euron and it's just meh.

Judging from what I've heard of him from the books as well, he seems like a massive disappointment.

[bots]

the last episode felt like an unnatural forced narrative rather than a natural progression, and it totally lost credibility for me. There may have been shocking things that happened in the past, but it always felt right given the characters involved .... that last episode blew the whole story for me.

[Jessica.]

It was a bore compared to previous episodes.

[Strictly Jake]

I also wasn’t keen on that episode it fell flat. I almost fell asleep

[BBDodge]

Also, why didn't Jon atleast give ghost a pat or a cuddle? :oh:

Maybe the show ends with Jon having given up the crown and Dany, heading north to join the Wildlings, then Ghost runs up and licks his face.

[Niamh.]

Maybe the show ends with Jon having given up the crown and Dany, heading north to join the Wildlings, then Ghost runs up and licks his face.

That would be a satisfying ending :laugh: