Game of Thrones Thread

[Daniel.]

She lost two ‘kids’, her best friend and father figure PLUS everyone was scheming against her, it makes complete sense miss thing snapped

Ya’ll are doing the most

[Smithy]

She lost two ‘kids’, her best friend and father figure PLUS everyone was scheming against her, it makes complete sense miss thing snapped

Ya’ll are doing the most

In what world does it make sense for her to snap against innocent civilians which she’s spent 7.5 seasons saying she wants to protect when cersei was right infront of her and she could have just gone for her?

It doesn’t

[Glenn.]

Let’s agree with the appalling writing to be edgy

[Marsh.]

Even Lost managed to end whilst keeping the characters true to their arcs. And that was a fookin mess of an ending. :skull:

[Daniel.]

In what world does it make sense for her to snap against innocent civilians which she’s spent 7.5 seasons saying she wants to protect when cersei was right infront of her and she could have just gone for her?

It doesn’t

But in that time all the things I listed happened...add that to having Targaryen blood and her always being a bit ruthless and power hingry I wasn’t surprised

[Daniel.]

Let’s agree with the appalling writing to be edgy

Didn’t say that, the writing has been poor in some places, but the Dany stuff isn’t one and your blind to it because you stan her

[Glenn.]

Since when does having Targaryen blood make you crazy though?

[Marsh.]

But in that time all the things I listed happened...add that to having Targaryen blood and her always being a bit ruthless and power hingry I wasn’t surprised

Yeah, but spending no more than 10 seconds on that major development for a major character in what has been an 8 season show is terrible writing and pacing.

[Smithy]

Since when does having Targaryen blood make you crazy though?

Perched for Jon to snap and kill the north in the finale!

[Glenn.]

Yeah, but spending no more than 10 seconds on that major development for a major character in what has been an 8 season show is terrible writing and pacing.

Literally this. I could have taken the Mad Queen angle had there been some proper development of it.

[Daniel.]

Ya’ll should be bloody happy, it’s actually made her interesting for the first time since season 3

[Daniel.]

It’s pretty obvious the books are ending the same way.

[Smithy]

Ya’ll should be bloody happy, it’s actually made her interesting for the first time since season 3

Maybe stick to AHS if you’re happy with sloppy writing and don’t like people complaining when something goes to **** :fan:

[Daniel.]

Gave up on AHS on S4 :shrug:

[Jordan.]

In what world does it make sense for her to snap against innocent civilians which she’s spent 7.5 seasons saying she wants to protect when cersei was right infront of her and she could have just gone for her?

It doesn’t

In a world that she realised regardless of what she did she was never going to receive the love and respect she wanted as Queen, it came from her own mouth. Even if she'd just killed Cersei then what? there would still be ill feeling towards her and she'd never be fully embraced when there's people who know Jon is the rightful heir to the throne, which obviously wasn't the reign she wanted. That combined with the emotion of losing those closest to her and the feeling everything she'd spent years working for had crumbled around her left her desperate and in her mind feeling she had no other choice than to take the 'rule by fear' route. You could literally tell by the emotion in her face before she chose to attack that she still seemed conflicted on what she was about to do but ultimately felt it had to be done.

[Tom4784]

Dany was always going mad get over it. Yes it was rushed, it’s not just Dany going mad that’s been rushed it’s everyones story arcs.

If you actually read what's been said you'd know that people don't have an issue with her going mad, it's that she went mad in a second with only rushed plot 'development' in the past two episodes.

The writers never wrote her with the mad queen angle in mind and that's fairly obvious given the quotes that Smithy pulled up. From what I've heard, such an outcome makes sense in the books where her actions are a bit crazed but TV show Dany wasn't written to be insane until literally the episode before this one.

[Jase.]

https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers

Over 95,000 signatures so far, demanding season 8 be remade :laugh2: :skull:

[Daniel.]

Tragic

[Ross.]

Tragic

Me when the rubble snatched Cersei

[reece(:]

https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers

Over 95,000 signatures so far, demanding season 8 be remade :laugh2: :skull:

Signed ha

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[Jase.]

The Bells is also officially the worst reviewed episode in the show's history, currently sitting at 47% on RT.

[Jase.]

Signed ha

http://i.imgur.com/3knNDMV.gif

:skull:

[reece(:]

The Bells is also officially the worst reviewed episode in the show's history, currently sitting at 47% on RT.

But also the most viewed :skull:

[Daniel.]

Its a tv show loves

[Tom4784]

I'm hoping that HBO **** those two writers off ASAP, I won't watch the spinoff if they are behind it.

[Jase.]

I'm hoping that HBO **** those two writers off ASAP, I won't watch the spinoff if they are behind it.

I believe they are executive producers :skull:

[Daniel.]

Ya’ll seemed to think they were great until ep 3 of this season lmaooo

[Smithy]

Ya’ll seemed to think they were great until ep 3 of this season lmaooo

Because... they were :skull:

Before this season they had only had ONE episode below 75 on RT

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[Tom4784]

Ya’ll seemed to think they were great until ep 3 of this season lmaooo

They had some poor moments once they passed the books but the writing has never been this bad. The show has died on it's arse and it happened over the course of two episodes.

The writing has taken a dive to a point that it's difficult to comprehend how HBO okayed this.

[reece(:]

oop at s5e06

[Brother Leon]

I believe they are executive producers :skull:

I can live with that enough. The show’s production is still excellent. Just keep them away from the ****ing writers room.

[Brother Leon]

Because... they were :skull:

Before this season they had only had ONE episode below 75 on RT

https://i.redd.it/mlxe22y7u4x21.png

What season 4 episode was so low? :joker:

I don’t recall anything that bad from there..

Edit: never mind. I read the graph wrong LOL. Yeah, they truly ****ed Dorne on the show.

[bots]

The current season has been affected by it being rushed too much. When you do that the whole concept loses credibility and the writing suffers accordingly.

There must have been a reason for them trying to wrap everything up so quickly .... whatever that was, that's what caused the dip

[Epic.]

Didn’t say that, the writing has been poor in some places, but the Dany stuff isn’t one and your blind to it because you stan her

Stop thinking people hate the Dany stuff because it means people stan her. It's being ignorant to the numerous complaints many people have brought up.

Its a tv show loves

Yet you can't seem to accept people having a negative opinion about it

[Epic.]

https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers

Over 95,000 signatures so far, demanding season 8 be remade :laugh2: :skull:

244,966 now, including my own.

Petitions always fail from my experience though

[Smithy]

In a world that she realised regardless of what she did she was never going to receive the love and respect she wanted as Queen, it came from her own mouth. Even if she'd just killed Cersei then what? there would still be ill feeling towards her and she'd never be fully embraced when there's people who know Jon is the rightful heir to the throne, which obviously wasn't the reign she wanted. That combined with the emotion of losing those closest to her and the feeling everything she'd spent years working for had crumbled around her left her desperate and in her mind feeling she had no other choice than to take the 'rule by fear' route. You could literally tell by the emotion in her face before she chose to attack that she still seemed conflicted on what she was about to do but ultimately felt it had to be done.

All of these sequences happened in the past two episodes. Aside from Jorah's death (which also made no sense since he was fighting thousands of wights inside the damn castle) these back-to-back tragedies came across as terribly executed plot devices with the sole intention of stripping everything away from her and to portray her as a raging lunatic. Their sloppy, rushed execution is why people are up-in-arms about this whole ordeal. None of it makes sense other than them desperately wanting us to view her as her father's daughter and not as her own person.

Further to that how on earth are people not going to be scared of the bitch with a DRAGON anyway, regardless of if she burned the city or not, she’s got a Dragon, you’d be terrified

[Niamh.]

All of these sequences happened in the past two episodes. Aside from Jorah's death (which also made no sense since he was fighting thousands of wights inside the damn castle) these back-to-back tragedies came across as terribly executed plot devices with the sole intention of stripping everything away from her and to portray her as a raging lunatic. Their sloppy, rushed execution is why people are up-in-arms about this whole ordeal. None of it makes sense other than them desperately wanting us to view her as her father's daughter and not as her own person.

Further to that how on earth are people not going to be scared of the bitch with a DRAGON anyway, regardless of if she burned the city or not, she’s got a Dragon, you’d be terrified

And my biggest annoyance with it is that they basically make out that Jon rejecting her pushed her over the edge. It's so cheap and sexist. Like with all the things she's went through since the start of the series, her long lost nephew who she's known for 5 minutes not wanting to shag her is that thing that makes her burn innocent kids alive? Come oooon

*I'm not even a Dany fan

[Smithy]

And my biggest annoyance with it is that they basically make out that Jon rejecting her pushed her over the edge. It's so cheap and sexist. Like with all the things she's went through since the start of the series, her long lost nephew who she's known for 5 minutes not wanting to shag her is that thing that makes her burn innocent kids alive? Come oooon

*I'm not even a Dany fan

Exactly, they literally reduced her to “hell hath no fury like a woman scorned”

[Niamh.]

Exactly, they literally reduced her to “hell hath no fury like a woman scorned”

And on that topic, Briene gets knighted and accepted as an equal in one episode, then 2 episodes later, she's a snivelling mess cos Jaime dumps her **** OFF. If they ruin Arya next week I swear I'm going to have a melt down

[Vicky.]

And on that topic, Briene gets knighted and accepted as an equal in one episode, then 2 episodes later, she's a snivelling mess cos Jaime dumps her **** OFF. If they ruin Arya next week I swear I'm going to have a melt down

Yup, that seriously annoyed me too.

[Vicky.]

I wonder what it would have been like if they added the lady stoneharts thing..I do wonder why they missed that out as it was potentially a good storyline.

Also the turning Jon into Aegon is..stupid.

[Niamh.]

I wonder what it would have been like if they added the lady stoneharts thing..I do wonder why they missed that out as it was potentially a good storyline.

Also the turning Jon into Aegon is..stupid.

It seemed like he was always meant to be a Tragaryen in the books too though, whether his name was Aegon or not :think:

[Vicky.]

When I was reading the books, there actually semed to be a fair bit pointing towards Tyrion eing a Targ also. Don't remember what but I do remember thinking this :laugh:

Might re-read soon actually. Stepson took them all like 6 months back and I bet hes not even touched them..or has lost them

[Niamh.]

When I was reading the books, there actually semed to be a fair bit pointing towards Tyrion eing a Targ also. Don't remember what but I do remember thinking this :laugh:

Might re-read soon actually. Stepson took them all like 6 months back and I bet hes not even touched them..or has lost them

That's right, they kind of implied that the Mad King fancied Tywins wife/Tryions mother and may have raped her. The way they described Tryion in the books aswell, he had two different coloured eyes, one was purple like the targaryens eyes are described and also his hair wasn't the Lannister gold colour. Also, Tywin regularly tells him he's no son of his

[The Slim Reaper]

That's right, they kind of implied that the Mad King fancied Tywins wife/Tryions mother and may have raped her. The way they described Tryion in the books aswell, he had two different coloured eyes, one was purple like the targaryens eyes are described and also his hair wasn't the Lannister gold colour. Also, Tywin regularly tells him he's no son of his

Think it was an affair, rather than rape.

[Niamh.]

Think it was an affair, rather than rape.

Nope they definitely implied it was more rapey, Aerys "taking" what he wanted

[The Slim Reaper]

Nope they definitely implied it was more rapey, Aerys "taking" what he wanted

I thought they already had a history together? Not that it wouldn't rule out rape.

[reece(:]

Lmao

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[Denver]

So are we not getting closure for the people at Winterfell?

[Niamh.]

I thought they already had a history together? Not that it wouldn't rule out rape.

It's up for debate I suppose, that's always the impression i got though :

AERYS’S BEHAVIOR TOWARD JOANNA

At Tywin and Joanna’s wedding, Aerys expressed a desire to rape Joanna, lamenting the fact that the laws were changed to forbid such actions:

When she and Tywin wed, your father drank too much wine at the wedding feast and was heard to say that it was a great pity that the lord’s right to the first night had been abolished. A drunken jape, no more, but Tywin Lannister was not a man to forget such words (ADWD)

Aerys Targaryen has a history of sexual assault / sexual misconduct toward Joanna:

It has been reliably reported, however, that King Aerys took unwonted liberties with Lady Joanna’s person during her bedding ceremony, to Tywin’s displeasure. (TWOIAF)

Joanna did not want Aerys to do whatever he did.

Aerys seems to have viewed women as sexual conquests, winning their attention/love/affection/interest/sexual favor and then discarding them soon after he bedded them:

[Aerys] was exceedingly fond of young women, filling his court with fair maidens from every corner of the realm. Some say he had as many mistresses as his ancestor Aegon the Unworthy (a most unlikely assertion given all we know of that monarch). Unlike Aegon IV, however, Aerys II always seemed to lose interest in his lovers quickly. Many lasted no longer than a fortnight and few as long as half a year. (TWOIAF)

most, indeed, were forgotten within a moon’s turn, for Aerys II seemed to grow bored with his royal enthusiasms as quickly as he did his royal paramours. (TWOIAF)

However, unlike Aerys’s many mistresses, Joanna’s affections seem to have been as invincible as the Lannister’s ancestral fortress of Casterly Rock. Here is a comprehensive list of quotes detailing the love between Tywin and Joanna. I am aware that very little is said of Joanna’s feelings in those quotes, but note that GRRM says their marriage was “a love match” and that characters spoke of “the love between them” suggesting mutual feelings of love between Tywin and Joanna.

When Dany asks Barristan if “there [was] some woman [Aerys] loved better than his queen” Barristan flat out says that Aerys did not love Joanna. It should be noted that Barristan has a tendency to romanticize the Targaryens and their relationships (”Rhaegar loved his Lady Lyanna” which is still a big question mark), so if Barristan says Aerys didn’t love Joanna, I think we can say Aerys didn’t love her.

https://joannalannister.tumblr.com/post/145952573341/just-a-question-dont-get-mad-please-but-why-do

[Smithy]

I wonder what it would have been like if they added the lady stoneharts thing..I do wonder why they missed that out as it was potentially a good storyline.

Also the turning Jon into Aegon is..stupid.

That’s *if* he’s really Aegon and not fake :think:

[Niamh.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6dE2kmWAAM6CK-.jpg:large

[Brother Leon]

I wonder what it would have been like if they added the lady stoneharts thing..I do wonder why they missed that out as it was potentially a good storyline.

Also the turning Jon into Aegon is..stupid.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence GRRM slightly distanced himself from the show after season 5. I think the omission of Lady Stoneheart,Aegon and Arriane from the show meant that the show took a different journey to what he had in mind.

That’s *if* he’s really Aegon and not fake :think:


I think even if he ends up being fake, most people will never really know before Dany probably kills him. By the team he rallied Dorne,The Reach and Stormlands and got The Faith by his side in KL, people will straight away accept him for the time being.

[Smithy]

It’s been so long since I read the books (I read just before S5 came out) I can’t even remember half of book characters plots, definitely need a reread

[Smithy]

Also, can’t wait to see how they portray Dany this week after she realizes what she’s done, whether she’ll be remosrseful or not

I’m guessing she won’t be because it weakens characters motivations to kill her, which is again dumb af

[The Slim Reaper]

I know they shot multiple endings so I have my fingers crossed, but if the leaks turn out to be true how this finishes, it will be ****ing terrible.

[Jase.]

https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers

Over 620,000 signatures wtf :skull: :skull:

[Jase.]

I know they shot multiple endings so I have my fingers crossed, but if the leaks turn out to be true how this finishes, it will be ****ing terrible.

Right? Everything on that list has come true so far (assuming we mean the same one) so I'm expecting the leak is accurate :facepalm:

[Ramsay]

https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers

Over 620,000 signatures wtf :skull: :skull:

Lol

[Brother Leon]

Pointless petition. As if they will actually redo the season ffs. Even most of the Actors would tell them to **** Off.

[user104658]

Pointless petition. As if they will actually redo the season ffs. Even most of the Actors would tell them to **** Off.Exactly, even if somehow HBO, the writers and producers, and GRRM signed off on it... All of the main cast will have moved on and probably most have accepted various contracts elsewhere by now. It clearly can't happen :joker:.

[Strictly Jake]

What I would want to happen but won't

Ayra uses Cersei's face to kill Dani. The audience will be like whaaaaat cersei is still alive. But tyrion will try and look like a faithful hand to the Queen by strangling cersei. Only it turns out he has really just killed Ayra. It sort of fulfills the prophecy and it would be epic to watch. Then Jon and sansa find what out what they have done and kill tyrion and Dani. It will look like Jon or sansa are going to take the throne but the night king will show up at the last minute to destroy the throne. Turns out the night king was bran all along doing some sort of time travel to try and stop the chaos from happening by destroying everyone at the battle of winter fell only it turns out ayra killed him at the battle but the whole thing just keeps going round in circles stuck in some weird time loop hence the strange pattern that happens when the white walkers kill....

[user104658]

Ayra uses Cersei's face to kill Dani. The audience will be like whaaaaat cersei is still alive. But tyrion will try and look like a faithful hand to the Queen by strangling cersei. Only it turns out he has really just killed Ayra. It sort of fulfills the prophecy and it would be epic to watch. Then Jon and sansa find what out what they have done and kill tyrion and Dani. It will look like Jon or sansa are going to take the throne but the night king will show up at the last minute to destroy the throne. Turns out the night king was bran all along.

:omgno:

TLbDRrYrVYM

[user104658]

Ep 5 rewatch: Did anyone else totally miss on first watch that Varys is trying to poison Daenerys? :think:

I thought they were just making random comments about how she was clearly "mentally not right" and thus not eating, but have just realised this time that the little girl is poisoning the food and Varys is disappointed because she isn't eating it. That was a bit of an important detail that totally changes the tone of his death :joker:.

[Niamh.]

Ep 5 rewatch: Did anyone else totally miss on first watch that Varys is trying to poison Daenerys? :think:

I thought they were just making random comments about how she was clearly "mentally not right" and thus not eating, but have just realised this time that the little girl is poisoning the food and Varys is disappointed because she isn't eating it. That was a bit of an important detail that totally changes the tone of his death :joker:.

Oh no I never noticed this at all :laugh:

[Vicky.]

Heh, I thought that too, no I didnt notice...tul people started on about it on facebook :laugh:

[user104658]

Oh no I never noticed this at all :laugh:

Heh, I thought that too, no I didnt notice...tul people started on about it on facebook :laugh:

The weird thing is, it seems really obvious now that I'm watching it again :think:. He even says "We'll try again at supper".

[user104658]

I mean as awful as this episode is, I just can't say it isn't entertaining. When Dany is trying to kiss Jon and he's like "N... no... hmm... I don't know... maybe? Err... m... MAYBE? ... Ewwwww nah I just can't, this is gross Aunty Dany :bawling: "

[edit] I'm also reading this scene differently this time; I don't really buy the "woman scorned" argument now, I think what they're trying to get at in this scene, is that Dany has realised that the people will never let her "rule with love" on her own and she's actually trying to see if there's still a chance for her and Jon to be together, as they could rule together and have the love of the people (she could use his popularity to make herself loved, basically) and when it becomes clear that it's just not a possibility any more, she resigns herself to the "path of fear".

With that in mind... thinking about the surrender... it's not enough for Daenerys to be able to take the throne through fear. By allowing the surrender with very little bloodshed, the people would still be likely to rally behind Jon Snow when they find out about his claim to the throne, and thus if she wants the throne she HAS to burn the city. She has to make people utterly terrified. And then the scene where the bells ring and Dany looks tearful and full of rage can be interpreted not as her "snapping" and deciding that she just wants to burn everyone, but steeling herself to doing it even though she DOESN'T want to kill innocents. She's closing herself off to it, because she believes so strongly that she has to take the throne, that it's become a necessary evil (in her mind)... and she's actually pained by every minute of it?

I reckon if I'm right, the problem with the show vs the books (as well as it being rushed) is the lack of internal monologue. Her thought process can be explained in book form... it can't on screen.

[Niamh.]

The weird thing is, it seems really obvious now that I'm watching it again :think:. He even says "We'll try again at supper".

****s sake :laugh: How did I miss that, I just assumed I suppose that she was just bringing information and spying like what the kids used to do in KL for him

[bots]

Ep 5 rewatch: Did anyone else totally miss on first watch that Varys is trying to poison Daenerys? :think:

I thought they were just making random comments about how she was clearly "mentally not right" and thus not eating, but have just realised this time that the little girl is poisoning the food and Varys is disappointed because she isn't eating it. That was a bit of an important detail that totally changes the tone of his death :joker:.

i spotted that on the 2nd watch too. Also Tyrion saying the life of a dwarf was nothing compared to saving thousands of people :hehe: The other thing was that Tyrion was blatantly telling Jame that the way to avoid bloodshed was to ring the bell ... Like fooling his own queen into thinking it was over. He has zero loyalty to Dany by that point.

[Smithy]

I mean as awful as this episode is, I just can't say it isn't entertaining. When Dany is trying to kiss Jon and he's like "N... no... hmm... I don't know... maybe? Err... m... MAYBE? ... Ewwwww nah I just can't, this is gross Aunty Dany :bawling: "

[edit] I'm also reading this scene differently this time; I don't really buy the "woman scorned" argument now, I think what they're trying to get at in this scene, is that Dany has realised that the people will never let her "rule with love" on her own and she's actually trying to see if there's still a chance for her and Jon to be together, as they could rule together and have the love of the people (she could use his popularity to make herself loved, basically) and when it becomes clear that it's just not a possibility any more, she resigns herself to the "path of fear".

With that in mind... thinking about the surrender... it's not enough for Daenerys to be able to take the throne through fear. By allowing the surrender with very little bloodshed, the people would still be likely to rally behind Jon Snow when they find out about his claim to the throne, and thus if she wants the throne she HAS to burn the city. She has to make people utterly terrified. And then the scene where the bells ring and Dany looks tearful and full of rage can be interpreted not as her "snapping" and deciding that she just wants to burn everyone, but steeling herself to doing it even though she DOESN'T want to kill innocents. She's closing herself off to it, because she believes so strongly that she has to take the throne, that it's become a necessary evil (in her mind)... and she's actually pained by every minute of it?

I reckon if I'm right, the problem with the show vs the books (as well as it being rushed) is the lack of internal monologue. Her thought process can be explained in book form... it can't on screen.

I don’t buy the whole “they love you they don’t love me” thing re Jon and Dany, it’s the North that love Jon and even then not all the north seeing as he bent the knee to Dany, the south wouldn’t give a **** about Jon and even if they know about Jons claim, if he has bent the knee to Dany and Dany is the person that (would have) liberated them from a queen they all hate they’re hardly going to call for someone else to take the throne, it’s not like the common people care about lineage

[user104658]

Honestly, it's such a grim watch, I'm struggling to get through it for a second time :joker:. Production wise it's so well made but I swear every second is utterly draining. Maybe that's the point? I have such conflicting thoughts on this episode. Completely standalone, it's an extremely well-made piece of television - as hard as it is to actually watch. But we needed an entire season between the end of the White Walkers and this... not 2 episodes. In the context of the season / entire series it doesn't work at all.

[user104658]

I don’t buy the whole “they love you they don’t love me” thing re Jon and Dany, it’s the North that love Jon and even then not all the north seeing as he bent the knee to Dany, the south wouldn’t give a **** about Jon and even if they know about Jons claim, if he has bent the knee to Dany and Dany is the person that (would have) liberated them from a queen they all hate they’re hardly going to call for someone else to take the throne, it’s not like the common people care about lineage

Another thing that doesn't make sense is that although people will now know he's a Targaryen, they DON'T know that he's "died and come back" which is the loophole that got him out of the Night's Watch... as far as everyone knows, Jon is still a member of the watch, and joining the watch involves giving up any claim to hereditary rule. The only reason he could leave, is that the oath said "until death" and he died.

But if he really doesn't want to be king he can just say "I swore an oath to the Night's Watch so..."

[bots]

i think there has been too much to quickly too .... In the first season, we basically had Ned's beheading .... that was it. 2nd series we had the siege of Kings landing ... that was it ... and so on

There has been much to much mind draining action to take in in the last 3 episodes all of which were feature length .... That should have been 3 more series. I think the production and writing are as good as always, it's just been squashed into too small a box to remain balanced and coherent.

[Smithy]

That’s bc the ending is driving the plot now whereas previously the characters/story was driving the plot

[Josy]

Heard on the radio there that there a petition by fans to get s8 refilmed lol

[Smithy]

Heard on the radio there that there a petition by fans to get s8 refilmed lol

It has over 3/4 million signatures :joker:

[Josy]

It has over 3/4 million signatures :joker:Petitions never seem to work for that kinda stuff though

[Niamh.]

I mean as awful as this episode is, I just can't say it isn't entertaining. When Dany is trying to kiss Jon and he's like "N... no... hmm... I don't know... maybe? Err... m... MAYBE? ... Ewwwww nah I just can't, this is gross Aunty Dany :bawling: "

[edit] I'm also reading this scene differently this time; I don't really buy the "woman scorned" argument now, I think what they're trying to get at in this scene, is that Dany has realised that the people will never let her "rule with love" on her own and she's actually trying to see if there's still a chance for her and Jon to be together, as they could rule together and have the love of the people (she could use his popularity to make herself loved, basically) and when it becomes clear that it's just not a possibility any more, she resigns herself to the "path of fear".

With that in mind... thinking about the surrender... it's not enough for Daenerys to be able to take the throne through fear. By allowing the surrender with very little bloodshed, the people would still be likely to rally behind Jon Snow when they find out about his claim to the throne, and thus if she wants the throne she HAS to burn the city. She has to make people utterly terrified. And then the scene where the bells ring and Dany looks tearful and full of rage can be interpreted not as her "snapping" and deciding that she just wants to burn everyone, but steeling herself to doing it even though she DOESN'T want to kill innocents. She's closing herself off to it, because she believes so strongly that she has to take the throne, that it's become a necessary evil (in her mind)... and she's actually pained by every minute of it?

I reckon if I'm right, the problem with the show vs the books (as well as it being rushed) is the lack of internal monologue. Her thought process can be explained in book form... it can't on screen.

The only problem there is that there's probably no KL inhabitants left to rule after her rampage :laugh:

But yes your version would make more sense but they needed to be more clear on her thought process. I suppose they could still do that in the final episode

[Niamh.]

Another thing that doesn't make sense is that although people will now know he's a Targaryen, they DON'T know that he's "died and come back" which is the loophole that got him out of the Night's Watch... as far as everyone knows, Jon is still a member of the watch, and joining the watch involves giving up any claim to hereditary rule. The only reason he could leave, is that the oath said "until death" and he died.

But if he really doesn't want to be king he can just say "I swore an oath to the Night's Watch so..."

Yeah but there is no wall or night watch anymore :laugh:

[Tom4784]

Pointless petition. As if they will actually redo the season ffs. Even most of the Actors would tell them to **** Off.

I think the intent isn't to get the series remade, it's to shame the writers more than anything. If enough people sign it, it could give Disney pause when it comes to handing over the next Star Wars trilogy to them and it could lead to less opportunities for them in future.

Season 8 won't be remade but a petition like this could send a message to studios in future when they consider hiring those hacks.

[Jordan.]

yay ruining careers

[bots]

i think 1 of the reasons people are being critical, and overly critical is because the show is coming to an end and its natures way of getting over it finishing. Also, people became too invested in particular characters when it should just be considered a game (the clue is in the name)

[Smithy]

yay ruining careers

How is it ruining careers when those people shouldn’t be in that position anyway, it’s people unqualified for a job having it :idc:

[Jordan.]

How is it ruining careers when those people shouldn’t be in that position anyway, it’s people unqualified for a job having it :idc:

bc most people are actually enjoying the show it's just the vocal and entitled minority online that try to make it look otherwise. What percentage is a few million out of the expected worldwide audience?

[Smithy]

It’s not an entitled minority when it’s being dragged by fans AND critics alike :joker::joker:

[Smithy]

https://66.media.tumblr.com/ddd13aa3447d9396559b633a6b83b581/tumblr_prmtqcv0yN1tsirx6o1_1280.jpg

:skull::skull:

[Brother Leon]

Poor Kit. His character has been made irrelevant. At least Emilia will probably get the Emmy nomination to show for it.

[arista]

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Lucky USA
G.O.T Cakes

[Smithy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D68D_2fU0AEs1lv.jpg

Kinvara and Quaithe not coming back :sad:

[Babayaro.]

I wonder what characters will feature, besides the obvious such as; Jon, Dany, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion and Grey Worm

[Lostie!]

I wonder what characters will feature, besides the obvious such as; Jon, Dany, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Grey Worm

Surely Brienne. Her final scene being her crying over Jaime leaving would be appalling

[Tom4784]

Surely Brienne. Her final scene being her crying over Jaime leaving would be appalling

I'm expecting it tbh, they turned Daenerys into the Mad Queen in the space of two episodes for the sake of Jon Snow so they've got form for sacrificing strong female characters for the betterment of male characters.

[Brother Leon]

I'm expecting it tbh, they turned Daenerys into the Mad Queen in the space of two episodes for the sake of Jon Snow so they've got form for sacrificing strong female characters for the betterment of male characters.

They’ve made Jon a side character all season basically behind Dany and Arya. Even Sansa and Brienne have been more meaningful. The least they could do is give him the Dany kill/Throne.

[Babayaro.]

Surely Brienne. Her final scene being her crying over Jaime leaving would be appalling

:fc:


I doubt it though :(

[Babayaro.]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bxpq1YgFDm8/?igshid=143i43ufrtgb6



:bawling:

[Brother Leon]

1 more hour. Say what you want about this season, but it’s still the last ever episode. The intro gonna hit hard this last time :(

[Smithy]

Ahhhhh

[Smithy]

I’m mad

[Epic.]

THAT'S how they kill off Daenerys?? Makes Cersei's death look as built up as Robb's. So rushed and sudden for someone who's been a vital part of the show since the beginning that they went to the trouble of making a very threatening presence. Why did Jon not hesitate? Why does Drogon not try to kill him? Why is her death sudden over the course of 5 seconds??

[Smithy]

Right so what actually happened is Drogon flew Dany back to Mereen where Kinvara brought her back via the lord of light

[Epic.]

Oh my god no

[Epic.]

Are they seriously making Bran the king after he done **** ALL for eight seasons???

[Epic.]

So undeserved

[Epic.]

I wanted those bookies to crash and burn damn it

[Epic.]

Oh thank god Sansa pointed out how stupid it is

[Epic.]

Wait what

[Epic.]

Now I'm confused. He IS king!??

ARGH

[Smithy]

I... I iust??

[Smithy]

Bran is king and no doubt Sansa is queen in the north

[Epic.]

There's about twenty minutes left and Bronn has faded into obscurity in the mix of all this shyte

[Smithy]

Thanks for spoiling Vicky :fist: obviously the bookies had seen the spoilers :fist:

[Epic.]

Thanks for spoiling Vicky :fist: obviously the bookies had seen the spoilers :fist:

Brian was the favourite for the throne for years to be fair

Totally undeserved however

[Smithy]

Tbh I’m kind of glad, it’s better than Sansa or Jon being on the throne

[Smithy]

Suppose brans vision from S4 when he gets called the most important person that ever lived makes sense now :facepalm:

[Brother Leon]

I mean. It’s the most reasonable thing if the rightful heir in Jon doesn’t want it. Bran is literally the most unbiased and knowledgeable you can be.

[Brother Leon]

Jon has always been my fave character so I’ll just mention his end game for now... I enjoyed the end for the Starks, it was really nicely done... but **** me Jon being Aegon and his whole heritage really was for absolutely nothing in the end.

[Ninastar]

****ing awful end to the show. Wish I read spoilers before

[Smithy]

Jon has always been my fave character so I’ll just mention his end game for now... I enjoyed the end for the Starks, it was really nicely done... but **** me Jon being Aegon and his whole heritage really was for absolutely nothing in the end.

Literally a plot device to have Varys betray dany, have her snap kill everyone and then get killed for it

****ing dumb

[Smithy]

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[Daniel.]

I haven’t watched, was it really that bad?

[arista]

I haven’t watched, was it really that bad?


A shock at the start.

[bots]

i may not have been happy with who ended up on the throne, but I thought it was a great episode, it was back to being the correct pace .... all in all, a good watch

[Amy Jade]

Dissapoited by the finale and the season in general really.

Wish Drogon has killed Jon before he left with Dany.

[bots]

What annoyed me about this series more than anything was that it was almost impossible to avoid spoilers no matter how hard i tried.

[The Slim Reaper]

i may not have been happy with who ended up on the throne, but I thought it was a great episode, it was back to being the correct pace .... all in all, a good watch

Correct pace?

A Nuremberg rally, regicide, northern independence, the crowning of a new king, and Jon Snow going home would have taken at least one season in previous years.

That said, it wasn't a terrible episode if it was a stand alone thing, but another disappointment as the last ever episode.

I'm not really sure how this season has affected my desire to rewatch the whole thing ever again with how it all played out and ended. That slow Dany and Jon build up over years of investment, only to watch it come crashing down so quickly and so poorly written is almost as heartbreaking as watching Drogon nuzzle Dany.

I would have liked them to have given Tormund and Jon a few lines of dialogue at the end instead of just watching Jon walking.

The shot of Drogons wings behind Dany was probably my favourite thing from the entire season

[BBUKAUSFAN]

Dissapoited by the finale and the season in general really.

Wish Drogon has killed Jon before he left with Dany.

Fire can not kill a Targaryen?

[bots]

Fire can not kill a Targaryen?

could still have bitten his head off :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

Fire can not kill a Targaryen?

That's not true. GRRM said that he wrote dany's immunity to fire as a one time thing, only the show kept it going, and her brother didn't have any of those powers.

It was a bit stupid that Drogon saw his dead mom with a knife sticking out of her chest so decides to burn a chair.

[bots]

I did think that emilia played her part brilliantly, she became every inch the mad queen at the end

[The Slim Reaper]

The lone wolf dies while the pack survives. As 4 lone wolves get as far away from each other as possible.

[Smithy]

Tbf I didn’t think it was a bad ending, I just didn’t like how dany was done dirty (even though we saw it coming) and there was a load of dumb stuff that happened

[Epic.]

I haven’t watched, was it really that bad?

It was more or less a happy ending, which you have been dreading.

[Epic.]

On the upside I think the ending could've been much worse. Seeing as the series is over, I can mention now that one part of the leaks was Tyrion getting killed off during his trial at the hands of the Starks, but thankfully that was another of their multiple endings shot that didn't happen. However, after everything she went through, I'm annoyed they didn't go with the possible ending of Sansa being lord of winterfell. And as shoddy as the script still was, I also thought everyone did a fantastic acting job, especially Peter Dinklage and Emilia Clarke.

But this does bring me to the writing, and she I wasn't as upset as I was with ep 5, I was dissatisfied with a number of characters. Sansa and Tyrion more or less got the resolution I would've thought they deserved, bit having both Arya and Jon venture away from home - both of which only basing it on curiosity - does a huge disservice to the two characters that looked like they'd have the most importance. What was the point of Arya stumbling across that random White horse and even more annoyingly, what was the point of making Jon a Targaryen other than for him to kill off Daenerys?

Urgh and that brings me to Dany. They already completely butchered her character the episode prior by making her the mad queen and whatnot, but that rushed arc conclusion was all made even more redundant by killing her off HALFWAY into the episode. This isn't necessarily a bad thing (Breaking Bad could kill off certain characters in the beginning or middle of an episode too). It's moreso the fact that Daenerys imprisons Tyrion, argues with Jon, kisses Jon again (still makes no sense that he'd still be attracted to her after finding out his heritage btw), and then gets killed by Jon. One of the driving forces of the show does very little in the finale after all this build up from the episode before. Her and Cersei were two of my favourites and I hated their payoff.

And making Bran king really annoyed me. I've wanted him killed off for a considerably long time now. I get that they kept wanting to imply he was important by all his visions, various characters always protecting him, being someone who seems to know many things, but it's like Daenerys becoming mad queen. Simply having the characters SAY that she's becoming ruthless and then that resulting in her burning King's Landing is poor, and so is all these implications that Bran is really important just because he was physic powers, which never even helped anyone too much. He did absolutely nothing to gain the position. I think he'd make a competent ruler, but how he reached that point is so irksome.

and I wish there was more Pod, Tormund, Brienne, Davos moments too.

EDIT: I also hated Danny's lack of remorse. Making her kill thousands of civilians is one thing, but to not give her any regrets whatsoever makes her way worse. Several other TV shows have famous anti-heroes such as Breaking Bad, Dexter, and The Sopranos, but those shows show things like hesitance and remorse. With Daenerys they instead relegated her to "First Westeros, then the WORLD! :devil:"

[RileyH]

i am

[RileyH]

not happy

[Cal.]

I don’t even watch but Sansa being Queen is a slay

[Ammi]

...I actually quite liked how the final threads weaved together i just found a really bad balance in the conclusion of some bits being too fleeting and others could have been shorter..Drogon nudging of Dany...heartbreaking..:sad:...

[Glenn.]

I think it did a good job of wrapping things nicely. There’s nothing left hanging is there?

I actually quite enjoyed it and tbf it wasn’t actually a bad ending to the story except it should have been Dany on the throne and she should have broken the wheel like she said.

[Smithy]

I’m guessing that the last episode is as true to the books as possible, seeing as it was originally called a Time for Wolves and now we have two Stark monarchs...

Just hoping Dany gets a better death than that **** show

[Smithy]

I think it did a good job of wrapping things nicely. There’s nothing left hanging is there?

I actually quite enjoyed it and tbf it wasn’t actually a bad ending to the story except it should have been Dany on the throne and she should have broken the wheel like she said.

They didn’t even give us a final shot of Drogon :umm2: made it even more frustrating bc Bran said “maybe I can find him”

What would have been good would have been him landing in Old Valeryia, putting Danys body on the ground, burning her and little dragons flying around him, that would have been an amazing final scene

[Smithy]

Also why did Arya just decide to become Dora the ****ing explorer when she’s never shown any interest in that at all?

[The Slim Reaper]

Also why did Arya just decide to become Dora the ****ing explorer when she’s never shown any interest in that at all?

She's going to be pissed when she ends up back in Essos.

[Smithy]

She's going to be pissed when she ends up back in Essos.

People who go west die, only one person has ever come back and they were insane

Poor Niamh, Arya lost too :(

[The Slim Reaper]

People who go west die, only one person has ever come back and they were insane

Poor Niamh, Arya lost too :(

Arya: What's west of Westeros?

Jon: No one knows

Bran: I am here, y'know.

[Smithy]

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I-

[The Slim Reaper]

https://i.imgur.com/FbNc1DM.jpg

[Vicky.]

Sorry smithy :hehe: But I really was baffled by how he would be fave (at that stage, read the spoilers last week). Basically..surely tyhe cast members put a load of large bets on? Because if te bookies had seen the spoilers, surely they wouldn't even have opened bets because they would know others would see them and basically get free cash?

[reece(:]

Yara and Grey Worm outsold!

[reece(:]

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[Tom4784]

I didn't hate that episode tbh.

A lot of it was undeserved and it was all built on a bones of Dany's characterisation but they made something passable on the foundation of **** they created for themselves last week.

I actually liked Dany's reasoning in this episode and with better writing in the past few seasons to bring her correctly to the point she was at (Foreshadowing is not character development, people!) the whole Mad Queen thing would have worked well. From what I've heard of the books, such an ending is better befitting Book Dany more than Show Dany. I didn't expect to feel anything this episode but I honestly teared up at the Drogon scene when he was nudging Dany which is something because the thought of watching this episode before left me feeling cold tbh. I thought Drogon choosing to burn the throne was fitting, it wasn't Jon that really killed Dany (It was bad writing that truly stabbed her in the stomach) but her need to rule and Drogon burning the throne was a good resolution to it all. I liked that they didn't end up killing him like I suspected and I thought him flying off with Dany's body was probably the best resolution to her storyline we could have hoped for at this point.

Bran as king is a bit random but the explanation as to why makes sense, plus he was kept around for a reason so I suspected that he'd have a part to play in the endgame. I don't hate him as king though, it's definitely a more interesting end than Jon ruling which would have left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm also happy that Sansa got to rule in the end too. She's been my pick for the throne since the start of the season and while it seemed a bit convenient that the North was freed while none of the other lords thought to separate from the crown, I can overlook it since Sansa becoming Queen of the North felt right.

One of the things I really hated about this episode was Arya's story, it felt like an afterthought and she deserved more. Her ending was weak and random (when has she ever alluded to the fact she wanted to explore the world?) and it felt like a disservice to the character.

As for Jon, I liked his ending. I liked that the Night's Watch was basically code for become a wildling and I'm not too fussed that his heritage was meaningless in the end because if it led to him becoming king then it wouldn't have been satisfying. I predicted he was going to end up beyond the wall and I'm happy enough that is how his story ended.

As for the rest of the characters, Grey Worm was done dirty but I liked the idea of him going to defend Missandei's home and I like the new Small Council and how those characters ended up (although Bronn being Master of Coin was bizarre). It annoyed me a little that, in Brienne's scene, it became more about Jamie than her finally becoming what she always wanted to be, a true knight and a kingsguard. It's nice that they redeemed Jamie's character a little after they screwed him over last week.

Considering how much I hated the last two episodes, I came out of this one feeling a lot more positive than I thought I'd be. It still wasn't great but compared to what came before, it's almost a masterpiece.

My ratings for each episode of this season.

Ep 1 - 7/10
Ep 2 - 6/10
Ep 3 - 10/10 (Yes it had problems but no episode of any TV show has ever made me lose my **** in utter anxiety like this one did)
Ep 4 - 3/10
Ep 5 - 2/10
Ep 6 - 5/10

[Ammi]

I didn't hate that episode tbh.

A lot of it was undeserved and it was all built on a bones of Dany's characterisation but they made something passable on the foundation of **** they created for themselves last week.

I actually liked Dany's reasoning in this episode and with better writing in the past few seasons to bring her correctly to the point she was at (Foreshadowing is not character development, people!) the whole Mad Queen thing would have worked well. From what I've heard of the books, such an ending is better befitting Book Dany more than Show Dany. I didn't expect to feel anything this episode but I honestly teared up at the Drogon scene when he was nudging Dany which is something because the thought of watching this episode before left me feeling cold tbh. I thought Drogon choosing to burn the throne was fitting, it wasn't Jon that really killed Dany (It was bad writing that truly stabbed her in the stomach) but her need to rule and Drogon burning the throne was a good resolution to it all. I liked that they didn't end up killing him like I suspected and I thought him flying off with Dany's body was probably the best resolution to her storyline we could have hoped for at this point.

Bran as king is a bit random but the explanation as to why makes sense, plus he was kept around for a reason so I suspected that he'd have a part to play in the endgame. I don't hate him as king though, it's definitely a more interesting end than Jon ruling which would have left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm also happy that Sansa got to rule in the end too. She's been my pick for the throne since the start of the season and while it seemed a bit convenient that the North was freed while none of the other lords thought to separate from the crown, I can overlook it since Sansa becoming Queen of the North felt right.

One of the things I really hated about this episode was Arya's story, it felt like an afterthought and she deserved more. Her ending was weak and random (when has she ever alluded to the fact she wanted to explore the world?) and it felt like a disservice to the character.

As for Jon, I liked his ending. I liked that the Night's Watch was basically code for become a wildling and I'm not too fussed that his heritage was meaningless in the end because if it led to him becoming king then it wouldn't have been satisfying. I predicted he was going to end up beyond the wall and I'm happy enough that is how his story ended.

As for the rest of the characters, Grey Worm was done dirty but I liked the idea of him going to defend Missandei's home and I like the new Small Council and how those characters ended up (although Bronn being Master of Coin was bizarre). It annoyed me a little that, in Brienne's scene, it became more about Jamie than her finally becoming what she always wanted to be, a true knight and a kingsguard. It's nice that they redeemed Jamie's character a little after they screwed him over last week.

Considering how much I hated the last two episodes, I came out of this one feeling a lot more positive than I thought I'd be. It still wasn't great but compared to what came before, it's almost a masterpiece.

My ratings for each episode of this season.

Ep 1 - 7/10
Ep 2 - 6/10
Ep 3 - 10/10 (Yes it had problems but no episode of any TV show has ever made me lose my **** in utter anxiety like this one did)
Ep 4 - 3/10
Ep 5 - 2/10
Ep 6 - 5/10


...yeah I agree especially with the first bit and Dany’s death and Drogon’s burning of the throne...it felt a bit Lord of the Rings and ‘me precious’ in that it was the throne that had consumed her and filled her with everything that made her burn the city down with Drogon and led her to her death...

[Jordan.]

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I can't get over this SHOT, ugh the Queen we deserved </3

[The Slim Reaper]

https://media.giphy.com/media/jSPscZWTKdJ398sczW/giphy.gif

I can't get over this SHOT, ugh the Queen we deserved </3

She is my queen. From this day until her las....Ah.

[Amy Jade]

I also wanted Tyrion dead. Annoying ****.

[Amy Jade]

Yeah that shot was beautiful tbf

Drogon mourning Dani was powerful too.

Meh at the rest.

[Vicky.]

I actually quite liked this episode. Have thougt pretty much all else in this season was crap but..not so much this one. LOVED Drogon burning the iron throne, seems dragons are intelligent and he basically thought 'my mother died for this stupid thing'. Only just finished it.

[Vicky.]

I did find Dany speech about 'freeing people from a tyrant' to be ****ing hilarious, given the ciscumstances. Yeah, I have freed all the people by burning innocents for no reason! Go me. Then basically threatening to burn dorne and everything too.

I mean, I have disliked Danys character for ages, but..they turned her into a worse tyrant than Cersei in a couple of episodes. I always found her arrogant and power hungry but not to the extent that she would kill thousands of normal people rather than just going for the army and Cersei, then basically threaten to go kill thousands/millions more and still convince herself shes doing the right thing and that its 'what the people need' or something :umm2:

[Tom4784]

I did find Dany speech about 'freeing people from a tyrant' to be ****ing hilarious, given the ciscumstances. Yeah, I have freed all the people by burning innocents for no reason! Go me. Then basically threatening to burn dorne and everything too.

I mean, I have disliked Danys character for ages, but..they turned her into a worse tyrant than Cersei in a couple of episodes. I always found her arrogant and power hungry but not to the extent that she would kill thousands of normal people rather than just going for the army and Cersei, then basically threaten to go kill thousands/millions more and still convince herself shes doing the right thing and that its 'what the people need' or something :umm2:

I think her outlook would have made sense if they established her craziness and lack of awareness earlier. I believe in the books, she's written as more of a conqueror who believes she's doing what's right but she also happens to leave the cities she takes in worse condition than they were before so what she did to King's Landing would have made more sense in that context. They essentially wrote her to be Mother Theresa in the TV show and turned her into Hitler over the course of one scene.

Her reasoning was illuminating but the problem was that they didn't lay down the groundwork for her to be seen as crazy, it was just all crazily rushed.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Im screaming

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[Babayaro.]

Satisfied with that finale :clap1:

[Marsh.]

Just seen this in someone's sig. Literally the best thing the show has ever done?

https://media.giphy.com/media/jSPscZWTKdJ398sczW/giphy.gif

[Scarlett.]

I didn't hate that episode tbh.

A lot of it was undeserved and it was all built on a bones of Dany's characterisation but they made something passable on the foundation of **** they created for themselves last week.

I actually liked Dany's reasoning in this episode and with better writing in the past few seasons to bring her correctly to the point she was at (Foreshadowing is not character development, people!) the whole Mad Queen thing would have worked well. From what I've heard of the books, such an ending is better befitting Book Dany more than Show Dany. I didn't expect to feel anything this episode but I honestly teared up at the Drogon scene when he was nudging Dany which is something because the thought of watching this episode before left me feeling cold tbh. I thought Drogon choosing to burn the throne was fitting, it wasn't Jon that really killed Dany (It was bad writing that truly stabbed her in the stomach) but her need to rule and Drogon burning the throne was a good resolution to it all. I liked that they didn't end up killing him like I suspected and I thought him flying off with Dany's body was probably the best resolution to her storyline we could have hoped for at this point.

Bran as king is a bit random but the explanation as to why makes sense, plus he was kept around for a reason so I suspected that he'd have a part to play in the endgame. I don't hate him as king though, it's definitely a more interesting end than Jon ruling which would have left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm also happy that Sansa got to rule in the end too. She's been my pick for the throne since the start of the season and while it seemed a bit convenient that the North was freed while none of the other lords thought to separate from the crown, I can overlook it since Sansa becoming Queen of the North felt right.

One of the things I really hated about this episode was Arya's story, it felt like an afterthought and she deserved more. Her ending was weak and random (when has she ever alluded to the fact she wanted to explore the world?) and it felt like a disservice to the character.

As for Jon, I liked his ending. I liked that the Night's Watch was basically code for become a wildling and I'm not too fussed that his heritage was meaningless in the end because if it led to him becoming king then it wouldn't have been satisfying. I predicted he was going to end up beyond the wall and I'm happy enough that is how his story ended.

As for the rest of the characters, Grey Worm was done dirty but I liked the idea of him going to defend Missandei's home and I like the new Small Council and how those characters ended up (although Bronn being Master of Coin was bizarre). It annoyed me a little that, in Brienne's scene, it became more about Jamie than her finally becoming what she always wanted to be, a true knight and a kingsguard. It's nice that they redeemed Jamie's character a little after they screwed him over last week.

Considering how much I hated the last two episodes, I came out of this one feeling a lot more positive than I thought I'd be. It still wasn't great but compared to what came before, it's almost a masterpiece.

My ratings for each episode of this season.

Ep 1 - 7/10
Ep 2 - 6/10
Ep 3 - 10/10 (Yes it had problems but no episode of any TV show has ever made me lose my **** in utter anxiety like this one did)
Ep 4 - 3/10
Ep 5 - 2/10
Ep 6 - 5/10

I can't recall when Arya said it, but she once said "What's West of Westeros" in an earlier season, I believe it was when she was still in Braavos, I think that she only ended up going back to Winterfell when she learned Jon had retaken it. I think Brienne's scene had two meanings, one, it was partly about Jaime and his legacy, but it was also about Brienne being the head of the Kingsguard, the first female Knight of the realm. The first female Kingsguard.

I like to think that the choice to have Kings being chosen will one day lead to a democratic Westeros, I guess what happens after the end is up to the viewers to imagine.

[Smithy]

Sorry smithy :hehe: But I really was baffled by how he would be fave (at that stage, read the spoilers last week). Basically..surely tyhe cast members put a load of large bets on? Because if te bookies had seen the spoilers, surely they wouldn't even have opened bets because they would know others would see them and basically get free cash?

I think they had the odds but weren’t accepting bets

[Smithy]

Some want to explain why the unsullied or Dothraki didn’t murder Jon straight away after they found out he killed the ****ing Queen and just WAITED until a bunch of lords they have no affiliation with arrived

[Scarlett.]

Bet Daario is sat in Mereen thinking how lucky he was to have dodged that bullet lol

[arista]

Northern Ireland is doing well
Getting Thousands of International Tourists
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[Scarlett.]

I liked that there was hints of Bran becoming more human again, making jokes and such, I guess he needed time to become used to being the Three Eyed Raven, and needed something to keep him in the present, instead of the past.

[Babayaro.]

Was it just me or did King's Landing look as good as new when they did the time jump of Tyrion & Jon being prisoners? I mean, surely it would take more than a couple of weeks to rebuild it.

[Smithy]

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[Strictly Jake]

Well... I was left feeling really deflated by that. Like when you think back to earlier seasons and how good it has been and how awful it was written this season its disappointing. It could have ended so much better

Ayras journey of her kill pool list becoming one of the faceless ones etc turned out to be pretty pointless

Jon finding out he was heir and who he was leading the battle of the bastards etc turned out pointless and he was just a sobbing weakling near the end

Sansa I suppose had a good outcome

Bran I have hated throughout so him being king was an awful choice

Dany I have adored throughout and her becoming a tyrant was painful. Emilia played the last episode brilliantly though and I did start to see her twisted reasoning when she was speaking to Jon and then Jon killed her I was like seriously?! The scenes with her dragon though were heartbreaking but the throne being destroyed was a good choice

Tyrions ending was perfect I liked that

I suppose I liked Jon's ending too

But dany and cersei being treat like that in the last season was plain awful

I would have liked to have seen Sam and Gilly with the new baby but I suppose I wasn't that bothered

All the sideline characters I guess got the right endings

So it was alright I guess but it felt flat and could have been better

I also wanted the night king to come back somehow

[Scarlett.]

Was it just me or did King's Landing look as good as new when they did the time jump of Tyrion & Jon being prisoners? I mean, surely it would take more than a couple of weeks to rebuild it.

I think the bit where Tyrion was a prisoner was a few weeks later, the bit where Jon goes to the wall is much later, like a year or so maybe

[Strictly Jake]

I do hope we get to read the final books eventually though

[Smithy]

I think the bit where Tyrion was a prisoner was a few weeks later, the bit where Jon goes to the wall is much later, like a year or so maybe

Why would the unsullied hang around for a year? Lol

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Why is ghost missing an ear

[user104658]

People who go west die, only one person has ever come back and they were insane


How does anyone know they die if they never come back though? Like maybe it's just really awesome there and they're sipping cocktails on a beach like "Wow Westeros was such a crap hole lol"

[user104658]

Why is ghost missing an earIt got eaten by wights in Ep3.

[user104658]

It would have been pretty epic if Drogon had TRIED to burn Jon first but he was fireproof like Dany (and *then* Drogon melting the throne and flying off with Dany).

But they've mentioned before that dragons might even be more intelligent than humans, so it sort of makes sense that he destroyed the throne, as he knew what it represented. Maybe he didn't "agree with" Dany burning the city in the first place (but would always follow her command).

[Smithy]

He could have just torn Jon to shreds with his teeth if his fire didn’t work :joker:

[Scarlett.]

Why would the unsullied hang around for a year? Lol

Cause they had stuff to sort out, bringing justice to Dany's killer for one, getting a fleet to take em to Naath too

[Smithy]

I think it’s more likely the ****ty writers just had half the city completely unscathed and didn’t think about Danys rampage for that scene

[Scarlett.]

I think it’s more likely the ****ty writers just had half the city completely unscathed and didn’t think about Danys rampage for that scene

Except visual stuff is down to the director not the writers :laugh:

[Smithy]

The writers directed this episode :hehe:

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omg :'(

[Scarlett.]

The writers directed this episode :hehe:

Touche

I still think its set a year or so later, the Unsullied techincally held King's Landing, and those sorts of issues cant be solved in a matter of months

[Smithy]

'The Iron Throne' was watched by 13.6 million for its premiere on HBO on Sunday (May 19) at 9pm on ET — and that number rises to the jaw-dropping 19.3 million when initial repeats and streaming are added.

The previous record was set just one week earlier, when the Battle for King's Landing in 'The Bells' was watched by 12.5 million viewers live. That figure rose to 18.4 million viewers with streaming and repeats.

Humongous ratings

[Niamh.]

People who go west die, only one person has ever come back and they were insane

Poor Niamh, Arya lost too :(

No one returns from West of Westros

A Girl is no one :hee:


hhhmmm regarding the Finale , I needed to take the night to digest it all and decide if I was happy with it or not.

So yeah I think the end was good, I was happy with the conclusion of the story and where everyone ended up, even Bran on the throne felt right, eventhough he was pretty much a non kind of a character, he's a good figure head and you know that his amazing council will be running the place.

Sansa on the throne in Winterfell is right too and Jon going off with the Wildlings is where he's always supposed to be, it seemed like that was the only place he ever seemed happy and really at home.

It would have been hard to place Arya anywhere that wouldn't have lessened her character and journey so I'm good with her heading off on adventures (spin off please :hee: ) and tbh her killing the NK was so perfect, her having no major big moments afterwards is fine with me.

So I haven't mentioned the Dany part yet, I'm not sure what to say about it, I think that her storyline was good but not how it was executed at all, i think that's the way t would have and should have gone but her journey both into full on mad Queen came from no where or not enough atleast and also, the thing with her and Jon, how into eachother they are didn't feel believable, far too rushed for you to believe that Jon would be that stupid about her and that she wouldn't have killed him or atleast been more wary of him :think:

TL: DR :

I was happy with the story conclusion in general but the execution of it in the TV Show wasn't quite there. Fingers crossed that GRRM finishes the books so we can get the proper believable version.

[Strictly Jake]

Yeah niamh I agree with all you have said. I wasn't keen at all on the ending on the first watch of it but giving it a bit more thought I do think it ended in the correct way its just this season has felt rushed compared to all the other seasons.

There should have been at least another season. Battle of winterfell should have been at the end of the last season. Then this season should have focused on dany progressively getting more and more mad it would have then made sense. I still am gutted about her character as I have adored her throughout. Also cersei was unrelevant in this season that has also left a sour taste in my mouth.

Had there been better progression with dany and a lot more of cersei shown and maybe a bit more dany vs cersei and heck a bit of faceless ayra for good value I would have enjoyed the ending more.

Also I do feel there should have been just one more episode between the bells and the final. The first half of the final episode with dany having the power was great it would have been good to see that in a stand alone episode and ending with Jon killing her and the stuff with Drogo. Also it should have shown what the north's reaction was, what sansa and brianne were doing etc rather than them all just being in one place in the final. The final episode should have started with tyrion being in prison and the rest of that episode onwards as the final. Maybe with a bit of tension somewhere as I feel that's where the episode fell flat in the second half

Then it would have felt right. So a couple of episodes before the bells and one episode after it would have worked really well

[bots]

yeah, i think they should have shown Dany's progression more, but she was full on mad when she gave her last speech to the masses so she had to go.

I really only felt episode 4 was not up to scratch .... that should have taken much longer and could have highlighted Dany hitting rock bottom at the loss of a dragon and her best friend. The opportunity would have been there if the episode was not such an abysmal mess

[Niamh.]

Interestingly enough seeing the final season and the ending has made me want the books more when I thought I wouldn't go back and read them after the Show passed them out. I really want to know how each character really properly got to the places they were

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[Tom4784]

yeah, i think they should have shown Dany's progression more, but she was full on mad when she gave her last speech to the masses so she had to go.

I really only felt episode 4 was not up to scratch .... that should have taken much longer and could have highlighted Dany hitting rock bottom at the loss of a dragon and her best friend. The opportunity would have been there if the episode was not such an abysmal mess

If losing her husband and child in Season 1 didn't drive her to noticeable madness and she reacted to every betrayal and loss since without a hint of madness then I can't really buy Jorah and Rhaegal's deaths driving her over the edge so much, especially considering she locked up her dragons for a long ass time when Drogon killed a child so I can't buy her roasting children en mass without a hint of remorse.

I think the TV show version of the character wasn't developed in a way in that madness made sense for her arc. I think the mad queen twist would have worked really well if they put the time in to develop it properly and I liked the justifications in this episode for it but the problem is that they mishandled Dany's character completely, they took her down one path and that path changed directions rapidly, not because of character development but to serve the plot.

I'm going to start reading the books once the series is finished, I reckon the Mad Queen twist will make much more sense within them.

[Smithy]

“Once the series is finished”

Oh my sweet summer child

[Smithy]

Also it would have been helpful if they had told Emilia at the very beginning she was going to go bad, she could have at least layered it into her performance, a bit like Alan rickman/snape when he was told beforehand how it ended

[Niamh.]

Also it would have been helpful if they had told Emilia at the very beginning she was going to go bad, she could have at least layered it into her performance, a bit like Alan rickman/snape when he was told beforehand how it ended

Absolutely, you would think that was a vital piece of information for her to make it believable. It seems like they didn't want her to do that though because it wouldn't have been enough of a shock but they didn't consider that people need to find it believable and not just shocking, some shocks are good, unbelievable character uturns are not

[Niamh.]

But seriously can we have an Arya spin off? West of Westros?

[arista]

But seriously can we have an Arya spin off? West of Westros?



Yes filmed in a Cheaper nation.

[Smithy]

Arya spin off would be boring imo :eyes:

Now Dany being resurrected in Mereen and flying to old Valryia to raise a new army of a dragons is a spin off I’d watch :flutter:

[Vicky.]

Interestingly enough seeing the final season and the ending has made me want the books more when I thought I wouldn't go back and read them after the Show passed them out. I really want to know how each character really properly got to the places they were

The book ending has to be loads different surely, with all the focus on characters that didn't even make the show..

[Nicky91]

Arya spin off would be boring imo :eyes:

Now Dany being resurrected in Mereen and flying to old Valryia to raise a new army of a dragons is a spin off I’d watch :flutter:

Dany to become the Night Queen :o

[Niamh.]

Arya spin off would be boring imo :eyes:

Now Dany being resurrected in Mereen and flying to old Valryia to raise a new army of a dragons is a spin off I’d watch :flutter:

:oh:

Dany is dead get over it :idc:

The book ending has to be loads different surely, with all the focus on characters that didn't even make the show..

Probably similar-ish conclusion but making more sense hopefully?

[Smithy]

Dany is game of thrones, dead or not

Arya got reduced to Dora the explorer :idc:

[Niamh.]

Dany is game of thrones, dead or not

Arya got reduced to Dora the explorer :idc:

Arya killed the NK after Dany failed and then let her Nephew Boyfriend kill her meanwhile Arya travels the world and leaves Gendry to find a little woman for himself :hee:

[Tom4784]

“Once the series is finished”

Oh my sweet summer child

It'll be finished, especially now that everyone knows how it'll end. Whether GRRM finishes it or someone else, it's inevitable.

Also it would have been helpful if they had told Emilia at the very beginning she was going to go bad, she could have at least layered it into her performance, a bit like Alan rickman/snape when he was told beforehand how it ended

I get the impression that they probably didn't know about her villain turn until Season 5 or so because that's when they tried to foreshadow it (with no actual character development to support it). I understand that in the books she's kinda crazy but I've never seen her as crazy in the show until they forced her to be.

[Tom4784]

I'd have been for an Arya spinoff if her ending was better. Arya the explorer was a lazy and random ending. If it was me, I'd have made her a wandering assassin that rights wrongs by killing people who abuse their power. Kinda like a warped Westerosi take on Batman.

Arya is a killer, I don't think she'd be content to just explore the world.

[Smithy]

It'll be finished, especially now that everyone knows how it'll end. Whether GRRM finishes it or someone else, it's inevitable.

I get the impression that they probably didn't know about her villain turn until Season 5 or so because that's when they tried to foreshadow it (with no actual character development to support it). I understand that in the books she's kinda crazy but I've never seen her as crazy in the show until they forced her to be.

Oh yeah I know it’ll be finished, I just meant we’ll probably be waiting a decade or so :joker:


They knew from whenever they sat down with George and he told them I’m guessing :shrug: I don’t see the books being that different to the show in that aspect, they just thought they were being clever by keeping it a surprise

[Niamh.]

I'd have been for an Arya spinoff if her ending was better. Arya the explorer was a lazy and random ending. If it was me, I'd have made her a wandering assassin that rights wrongs by killing people who abuse their power. Kinda like a warped Westerosi take on Batman.

Arya is a killer, I don't think she'd be content to just explore the world.

She may go on random killing sprees on her travels :oh:

[bots]

A point of note, I picked up the series on Apple, and the picture of the battle of Winterfell is very clear ..... so something must have been dodgy with Sky's version, because in it, i could hardly see a thing

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[MTVN]

I think in the end they made it so complicated a couple of seasons ago that they couldn't live up to it, instead they decided to discard the Night King and all the different theories surrounding him and simplified it massively. Greyworm holding Tyrion as prisoner and literally letting him choose the next King and then be appointed Hand to that King is pretty dumb going. He's never accepted any authority but Dany's yet he's happy for all power to suddenly reside in a motley collection of lords who have made the journey down there.

I guess Jon going north makes sense anyway but once the unsullied leave (and presumably the Dothraki) then there's no one left who's going to care about enforcing his exile. I get why Bran was made king but its a bit unsatisfying when they've spent such little time on his character. I do think there's a lot more they could have done with him but they never bothered. Also don't see why the other lords would see Bran allow the north to be an independent kingdom and not demand the same for themselves. Realistically anyone could easily challenge Bran to the throne but I guess that doesn't matter now as its supposed to be 'the end'

[Smithy]

-pushes Bran out of his wheelchair-

Haha more like Bran the BITCH

[bots]

There is no way that thousands of troops loyal to Dany would not have slain Jon Snow and Tyrion on the spot. Tyrion publicly disrespected her and Jon killed her. Given the fierce loyalty of Dany's troops, that is completely unrealistic.

Also, a meeting like that would have to be called and arranged .... it would be done on greyworms terms, not theirs .... again, completely unrealistic.

[Epic.]

There is no way that thousands of troops loyal to Dany would not have slain Jon Snow and Tyrion on the spot. Tyrion publicly disrespected her and Jon killed her. Given the fierce loyalty of Dany's troops, that is completely unrealistic.

Also, a meeting like that would have to be called and arranged .... it would be done on greyworms terms, not theirs .... again, completely unrealistic.

Alternate endings they shot did include Jon and/or Tyrion being dead by the end, Tyrion during his trial and Jon sometime after killing Dany, and this would've likely been how

[Smithy]

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[Vicky.]

Yeah its odd that those loyal to Dany did not kill Jon.

Unless he went into hiding or something?

Whats also odd, is that they knew it WAS Jon, unless he said so, no witnesses or anything so could have been anywone, or the dragon could have just been all '**** that ****' and taken her to the other end of the world to live!

Again, nothing explained.

[Smithy]

How did he go into hiding when he was their prisoner :joker:

[Vicky.]

No I mean, directly after. He clearly was not their prisoner in the throne room when he actually killed her..

[Glenn.]

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[Glenn.]

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Definitely needed to be longer than 8 seasons

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

That’d be a bit much chick

[Nicky91]

i cried when my one true king, night king got killed :bawling: :bawling:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i cried when my one true king, night king got killed :bawling: :bawling:

Imagine how tired we are

[Vicky.]

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Definitely needed to be longer than 8 seasons

:thumbs: How it should have happened

[Marsh.]

Imagine how tired we are

:joker::joker::joker:

[Niamh.]

2 Seasons on the WW would be too much, they should have done 1 on getting rid of them, 1 getting rid of Cersei and then the final one with Dany

[Marsh.]

Cersei WINS

[Vicky.]

2 Seasons on the WW would be too much, they should have done 1 on getting rid of them, 1 getting rid of Cersei and then the final one with Dany

Well thats kind of how the final 3 seasons would have gone, just teh WW conflict was already woven through s7 so would already count towards it :laugh: So not another 2 seasons on them, just s8. (plus would obviously have the other stories developing as the WW thing was going on, like s7 did)

Thats how I took that anyway..not entirely sure why s7 is on there..

[user104658]

I think in the end they made it so complicated a couple of seasons ago that they couldn't live up to it, instead they decided to discard the Night King and all the different theories surrounding him and simplified it massively. Greyworm holding Tyrion as prisoner and literally letting him choose the next King and then be appointed Hand to that King is pretty dumb going. He's never accepted any authority but Dany's yet he's happy for all power to suddenly reside in a motley collection of lords who have made the journey down there.

I guess Jon going north makes sense anyway but once the unsullied leave (and presumably the Dothraki) then there's no one left who's going to care about enforcing his exile. I get why Bran was made king but its a bit unsatisfying when they've spent such little time on his character. I do think there's a lot more they could have done with him but they never bothered. Also don't see why the other lords would see Bran allow the north to be an independent kingdom and not demand the same for themselves. Realistically anyone could easily challenge Bran to the throne but I guess that doesn't matter now as its supposed to be 'the end'

To answer a couple of those...

Greyworm was loyal to Dany but he has been a lifelong slave and has never known how to do anything but follow, so it's not that weird that he allowed / wanted Westeros to pick a new leader so that they could just leave, and also not that strange that he didn't take any drastic action regarding Jon or Tyrion because, again, he's never made a decision like that himself and has always relief on "someone in charge" to tell him what to do.

Secondly regarding the independent North, it was established pretty early on that the North has never been a 100% compliant member of the seven kingdoms, I believe Cersei has a conversation with Joffrey in Season 1 when he's claiming that he'd "get them in line", where she tells him that the North is "too big and too wild to be tamed" or something along those lines. The other six seem to have been in a quite peaceful union for thousands of years whereas The North has always had separatist tendencies.

[MTVN]

To answer a couple of those...

Greyworm was loyal to Dany but he has been a lifelong slave and has never known how to do anything but follow, so it's not that weird that he allowed / wanted Westeros to pick a new leader so that they could just leave, and also not that strange that he didn't take any drastic action regarding Jon or Tyrion because, again, he's never made a decision like that himself and has always relief on "someone in charge" to tell him what to do.

Secondly regarding the independent North, it was established pretty early on that the North has never been a 100% compliant member of the seven kingdoms, I believe Cersei has a conversation with Joffrey in Season 1 when he's claiming that he'd "get them in line", where she tells him that the North is "too big and too wild to be tamed" or something along those lines. The other six seem to have been in a quite peaceful union for thousands of years whereas The North has always had separatist tendencies.

I'm not big on the history but didn't they all become one kingdom at the same time and the Iron Islands at least also always seem to have been quite an independent and 'untamed' place

The Greyworm thing makes sense but I'd think he'd still have some pent up fury/retained loyalty to Dany that he'd want to avenge her given the opportunity rather than just let it all blow over

[MTVN]

Imo the battle against Cersei and actual Game of Thrones should have been wrapped up first and then the war against the dead should have been the climax with some clever twist/reveal about who he was and his history

[Smithy]

Imo the battle against Cersei and actual Game of Thrones should have been wrapped up first and then the war against the dead should have been the climax with some clever twist/reveal about who he was and his history

Same, I think that’s how it’ll be in the books

[user104658]

Same, I think that’s how it’ll be in the booksI mean, GRR Martin has already said that all of the "Major characters" plot points are largely the same so it can't be too different. I guess all of the Cersei / Dany stuff could occur before the final war against the dead, but the titles of the last two books strongly suggest that the White Walkers are defeated at the end of "The Winds of Winter" and "A Dream of Spring" is when all of the Dany drama occurs (it's a dream of "peace" after the war with the dead but it becomes clear that Dany intends many more years of war on her quest to "break the wheel").

Honestly though you would hope that there is a LOT more time and story between the burning of King's Landing and the eventual "Queenslaying", when it becomes clear that she really isn't going to stop... Not having it happen right there the next day.

[user104658]

Which is why I think even one more season could have worked, if this one was 10 episodes. A longer build up to the Winterfell battle / NK being destroyed, then episodes 4 and 5 of this season at the end, with episode 5 the season finale. Followed by a final 6-episode season NEXT year with a whole five episodes following the aftermath of Kings Landing, with Jon trying to convince her to change path, and slowly wrestling with the realisation that he has to kill her (maybe as she's gearing up to head to Winterfell, because Sansa is still resisting?) ... Killing her at the end of episode 5 or beginning of episode 6 and then the wrap up.

[Smithy]

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Fookin told ya’s!!

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Oh.

Well then that makes things even worse because there really was nothing to salvage huh

[Marsh.]

Why did people think they would?

It would cost A FORTUNE to film material they had no intention of using.

I assumed the reason we had less episodes was due to using the budget on the effects for the battles they wanted etc. :think: So they weren't going to waste money on fake endings.

[Smithy]

Why did people think they would?

It would cost A FORTUNE to film material they had no intention of using.

I assumed the reason we had less episodes was due to using the budget on the effects for the battles they wanted etc. :think: So they weren't going to waste money on fake endings.

Literally what I was saying the whole time :joker:

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Definitely needed to be longer than 8 seasons

I said this exact layout to my sister. Even GRRM said you need 10 season to do it justice.

[Brother Leon]

Same, I think that’s how it’ll be in the books

Perhaps. I think that’s how Dany may redeem herself from burning KL in the books. By saving them in the battle up North.

[user104658]

Why did people think they would?

It would cost A FORTUNE to film material they had no intention of using.

I assumed the reason we had less episodes was due to using the budget on the effects for the battles they wanted etc. :think: So they weren't going to waste money on fake endings.

It wouldn't cost that much, it would just be different takes with different dialogue on the same filming days. They wouldn't actually have to do any of the post-processing or effects for the 'unused' endings.

[Marsh.]

It wouldn't cost that much, it would just be different takes with different dialogue on the same filming days. They wouldn't actually have to do any of the post-processing or effects for the 'unused' endings.

So then what would be the point of them?

[Smithy]

It wouldn't cost that much, it would just be different takes with different dialogue on the same filming days. They wouldn't actually have to do any of the post-processing or effects for the 'unused' endings.

It took 5 days to film the scene of all the houses choosing Bran

Yes it would cost more

[Smithy]

Perhaps. I think that’s how Dany may redeem herself from burning KL in the books. By saving them in the battle up North.

Possibly, if you remember in S2 Danys vision is her going to touch the throne but then ends up going “beyond the wall” before joining Drogo and Rheago, when they filmed that is quite possible the creators weren’t exactly sure which way they were going with the plot but knew that that’s what happened in the books

[Mystic Mock]

I think that this show will always remain as an iconic show for me personally (especially the earlier seasons) but my god this season was truly terrible.

The pacing was off for most of the season imo, things were happening too quickly that it made no sense why certain characters were doing certain things (especially with Dany) but overall I still give the show a pass for some of the greatest moments on TV.

[Mystic Mock]

I think that this show will always remain as an iconic show for me personally (especially the earlier seasons) but my god this season was truly terrible.

The pacing was off for most of the season imo, things were happening too quickly that it made no sense why certain characters were doing certain things (especially with Dany) but overall I still give the show a pass for some of the greatest moments on TV.

[Epic.]

This is rather sweet actually :love:

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[Smithy]

This is rather sweet actually :love:

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That’s probably why she’s so defensive over the character :lovedup:

[Smithy]

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Kit reading the finale script :joker:

[Marsh.]

Literally me when Smithy sent me loads of messages about Arya killing the night king knowing full well I was on season 3. :bored: