Boris has asked the Queen to suspend Parliment, The Queen has now approved

[Twosugars]

I remember years ago when I lived in London for a bit, there was a news reporter doing a piece on immigration (the pub I worked in was across the road from ITV studio) and there was 1 English woman working in the bar and they asked her how she felt about immigration, she turned to us all, her workmates and said "No offence" then went on to tell the reporter how it should be english jobs for english people blah blah............. I wouldn't mind but my manager said that it was so so rare for him to get any english applicants at all ever when he advertised jobs in the bar

Had similar experiences when I arrived here. London would grind to a halt without immigrants.
There has never been a shortage of jobs only a shortage of local applicants.

[Ammi]

It's just Ireland though so who cares, eh? :shrug:

...but many of us do care very much though...this is all about a manipulation with an end goal...regardless of what the cost and to who, when it comes to the common people...

[Twosugars]

I want to hurt my neighbours, and I want to do it now.

I know, bloody Europeans!
How dare Germany have a bigger economy when they lost the war.
Remember the glee when Ireland had to be bailed out post 2008 global crash?

[arista]

Dont be absurd, this is not the war, you're not facing hitler. Such rhetoric is childish


Hitler does not come into this at all


Do or Die
are the words of the PM
not me.

[Twosugars]

"When I speak of Fascism in England, I am not necessarily thinking of Mosley and his pimpled followers. English Fascism, when it arrives, is likely to be of a sedate and subtle kind (presumably, at any rate at first, it won’t be called Fascism)."

George Orwell

[arista]

"When I speak of Fascism in England, I am not necessarily thinking of Mosley and his pimpled followers. English Fascism, when it arrives, is likely to be of a sedate and subtle kind (presumably, at any rate at first, it won’t be called Fascism)."

George Orwell


Yes a Great Writer
Nothing to do with Brexit.

[Twosugars]

Hitler does not come into this at all


Do or Die
are the words of the PM
not me.

I'm aware of that. Those words were childish and stupid when he said them and remain so when repeated

[arista]

I'm aware of that. Those words where childish and stupid when he said them and remain so when repeated


Its is the way Johnson PM is.
Unlike other PM's

[arista]

Rob the Editor (Politics Live BBC2HD) 44mins show
could have let Owen speak a extra minute?
today. He ends on time expecting all to go to BBC1 news
not me
I record all shows
Far better and longer SkyNewsHD
All Out Politics 2 hours 9AM - 11AM daily.

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[Cherie]

If they is a GE now, its likely it will be a hung parliament with Brexit Party/Tory alliance, and who said Farage was finished?

[Cherie]

I know, bloody Europeans!
How dare Germany have a bigger economy when they lost the war.
Remember the glee when Ireland had to be bailed out post 2008 global crash?

I don't remember any glee tbf

[Twosugars]

I don't remember any glee tbf
You wouldn't tbf, you're more English than the English :laugh:
I do though, in the media. Endless, how Britain had to save Ireland

[Twosugars]

If they is a GE now, its likely it will be a hung parliament with Brexit Party/Tory alliance, and who said Farage was finished?

People will have themselves to blame

[Cherie]

You wouldn't tbf, you're more English than the English :laugh:
I do though, in the media. Endless, how Britain had to save Ireland

:umm2: you know nothing about me

not being funny but you come across as a Polish person living in a country you hate, why are you here?

[arista]

Last week on Newsnight BBC2HD
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Tom dreams of a better time.

He was last on their board.

[arista]

Today Konnie Huq
went a bit crazy
Chopping off every ones head?
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[The Slim Reaper]

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[Twosugars]

:umm2: you know nothing about me

not being funny but you come across as a Polish person living in a country you hate, why are you here?

That's how you come across to me here :shrug:

UK is my country as much as Poland is. I hate what both of them have become under the hard right governments.

[Kazanne]

Today Konnie Huq
went a bit crazy
Chopping off every ones head?
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Saw that arista, her and that other woman were hysterical almost , lol I felt embarrassed for them.

[Twosugars]

Saw that arista, her and that other woman were hysterical almost , lol I felt embarrassed for them.

Not as much as we feel embarrassed for johnson, mogg and farage

[Ammi]

..it probably wasn’t the most helpful in relaying her point with the chopping off, of heads bit...she’s obviously getting frustrated..(..as many people are..)...with the rinse and repeat of ‘..it wAs a democratic vote by gosh and we’ll darn well Brexit whatever the cost and to whom because WE VOTED..’....when it’s imminently close with still no details of what Brexit will mean ...because the truth is that this is all the biggest country con ever...all built on lies with no foundation or substance of ‘making Britain Great again...’...


...but we’re a democratic country...except for now atm when we’re not...and that’s fine as well...whichever way tbh, Brexit is cool and easy...

[Alf]

:umm2: you know nothing about me

not being funny but you come across as a Polish person living in a country you hate, why are you here?I could take a guess.

[Twosugars]

Someone on the Guardian site coined a good phrase


This is not coup d'etat. This is coup de twat


:laugh:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDY9TvhWkAExAQQ?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

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[arista]

PM Johnson to make a statement
at 6PM, Outside 10 Downing Street

[Alf]

If Boris calls a general election before Halloween, it will be to eliminate the Brexit party.

[arista]

If Boris calls a general election before Halloween, it will be to eliminate the Brexit party.


No he wants it after Brexit is Done

[Alf]

No he wants it after Brexit is DoneThat's why I said, "if he calls it for before Halloween"

[joeysteele]

Nice bit of fun with the novelty polling.
Take notice of the polling to your peril Mr Johnson.

Remember, 2015 and 2017.
2017 Conservatives were anything from 12% to 20% ahead.

In 2010, Cameron lost a 10% to 15% lead over Labour to fail to get an overall majority.

All polls have error margins which I think are higher now than ever before.

Nice bit of fun polls are, whoever takes them seriously now however isn't using their wisest thinking.

[Nicky91]

Farage show your strength and confront Boris in a debate

now that would be interesting, just to ask those tories what they exactly want and be more clear in what they want

that is how our dutch politics go, and our highlights are usually at debates

[arista]

Loads of Protestors have gathered at the Gates
to the Road.
Far Away from Number 10.

[arista]

Slight Delay
As the PM is talking in the Garden.

[arista]

The PM is now Live Now

[Alf]

Slight Delay
As the PM is talking in the Garden.Talking to his plants again is he?

[arista]

Talking to his plants again is he?


No loads of MPs in the Garden,
So Far he talking about the Queens Speech.

[Alf]

The PM is now Live NowI'm watching regional news, so let me know what he said.

[Kazanne]

I'm watching regional news, so let me know what he said.

Its live on BBC1 Alf.

[arista]

I'm watching regional news, so let me know what he said.



Its Live on LBC radio


Put Subtitles on your regional news

[arista]

Its live on BBC1 Alf.


No let him watch his Regional ITV news

[Kazanne]

No let him watch his Regional ITV news

:laugh: :laugh:

[arista]

That was it
Nothing much new

He does not want a General Election.

[joeysteele]

What a waste of time.

No, he doesn't want an election, that's one thing he has right, as likely his own Party's polling will not be endorsing the polling in the media.
He'll also need 434 MPs to support calling one too.

Had he come out saying he had a valid plan for replacing the backstop, then this speech would have had more meaning.

[joeysteele]

That was it
Nothing much new

He does not want a General Election.

Nothing new at all.

[arista]

What a waste of time.

No, he doesn't want an election, that's one thing he has right, as likely his own Party's polling will not be endorsing the polling in the media.
He'll also need 434 MPs to support calling one too.

Had he come out saying he had a valid plan for replacing the backstop, then this speech would have had more meaning.


Yes it Bloody Was


[18:12

Johnson dismisses using an election to break the deadlock, saying: "I don't want an election, you don't want an election."]

https://news.sky.com/story/live-boris-johnson-cancels-meeting-with-tory-brexit-rebels-11800419

[Alf]

Sounds like I made the right choice in watching the Luke Campbell interview on Calander Yorkshire news.

[arista]

Sounds like I made the right choice in watching the Luke Campbell interview on Calander Yorkshire news.



Well Done Alf
you did.


He wants No Delays
Wants to leave 31st Oct 2019.

[Cherie]

Bloody hell he looked exhausted

I think he was intimidated by the crowd chanting and struggled to make himself heard, he wasn't as slick as he usually is

[Kazanne]

Bloody hell he looked exhausted

I think he was intimidated by the crowd chanting and struggled to make himself heard, he wasn't as slick as he usually is

I would hate that job to be honest.

[Cherie]

I would hate that job to be honest.

it took TM three years to look like that :laugh:

[James]

BBC News - PM urges MPs not to back Brexit delay
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49558596



Boris Johnson has said he does not want a general election as he urged MPs not to vote for "another pointless delay" to Brexit.

But the BBC understands the prime minister would seek to call a vote, expected to be on 14 October, if MPs block a no-deal exit in Parliament this week.

Speaking outside No 10, Mr Johnson said such a move would make any further talks with the EU on a new deal "absolutely impossible".

[Kazanne]

it took TM three years to look like that :laugh:

:joker::joker: Well she was a strong lady really,i bet she is loving putting her feet up and watching the fallouts:laugh:

[arista]

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[arista]

BBC News - PM urges MPs not to back Brexit delay
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49558596


I doubt that
More a November Election.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDdjETWWwAAYn_k?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

The PM has a New Puppy
Rescue dog


Poor Larry the cat.

[Kazanne]

The cat is still being looked after arista,lol, good on them for getting a rescue dog.

[UserSince2005]

i wish the helicopters would stop flying over my flat.

[Alf]

Just seen that Boris was in Eastenders. A disgrace he didn't win best actor at the soap awards

[Kazanne]

Just seen that Boris was in Eastenders. A disgrace he didn't win best actor at the soap awards

:joker::joker::joker::joker: brilliant, best laugh of the day

[Kizzy]

20,000 militia... great.

[Tom4784]

If people weren't so easily led by the elites into screeching for a no deal brexit and thought about it rationally, they'd want a delay too.

Brexit is a massive financial gamble and one we'll definitely lose in a no deal situation, a smart person would opt to take as long as it took to make sure we left in a good position but the the no deal crowd are not smart.

Also Ree-Moggs is a MASSIVE ******* for trying to make out that a real medical emergency is scaremongering. Death Eater looking twat.

[Twosugars]

Coup de twat

[Withano]

Excellent

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Cherie]

At least they are doing something right, that dog is :love:

[joeysteele]

He's even planning to change the election day from Thursday to Monday now too.

Why not make it Sunday.
If he doesn't like Thursdays.

Lots of grumpy people back to work after the weekend on a Monday, doesn't go well for any positive voting.

I'd welcome a general election but I don't think Labour should support one unless they win a no confidence vote in his government.

Allowing him to still control matters is extremely unwise.
On this I agree with former PM Blair.

Sadly, I still believe the errors in the polling are such that we are back with a possibly worse hung Parliament.

The Brexit party even if the polling was right for them,would still likely win no seats to no more than 3 under first past the post.

It's crazy.
Really what he should propose as bitontheslide has said for ages.
Is a choice to MPs of supporting no deal or revoking article 50.
Acting on what they vote for.

Then he can keep his personal stance of not asking the EU for any extension.
Then get on with the other domestic issues.

With an election post October 31st and nearer Spring or Summer next year once the brexit issue is more sorted from that vote.

In any election afterwards MPs, however they voted, then get Judged by their electorate as to what they voted for, NO DEAL or REVOKE.

[arista]

[I'd welcome a general election but I don't think Labour should support one unless they win a no confidence vote in his government.]

Yes the Votes at around 7PM tonight
start this all off

[bots]

it's going to be an interesting day. Feelings are going to be running high. I just hope that all the MP's remain safe at the end of the day

[Cherie]

Anyone from TiBB at Parliament Gates shouting 'stop the coup'?

[arista]

Anyone from TiBB at Parliament Gates shouting 'stop the coup'?



No , they are old fellas
and there is no coup.


At one point they were loud
due to the amount of them.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Beso]

Anyone from TiBB at Parliament Gates shouting 'stop the coup'?

Don't be silly.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

If that doesn't work, then diamondstar (and his 90 followers) can get his dad to beat up Sam's dad.

Petty ****ers.

[arista]

Corbyn the Labour Leader
claims with the other Party's
he has enough vote numbers
to Tomorrow delay Brexit by 3 more months


If that fails
then a confidence vote on Johnson PM.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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All hail our dear leader

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[arista]

All hail our dear leader

U06jlgpMtQs


The FT warns us to keep Corbyn out of power.

[The Slim Reaper]

The FT warns us to keep Corbyn out of power.

Don't be like that comrade. You mean the FT that disporoportinately shills for the interests of the financial sector over that of the people? I'd be amazed if they weren't warning about Corbyn.

[Cherie]

All hail our dear leader

U06jlgpMtQs

Maybe if he came out for remain in a proper manner during the pre referendum campaign we wouldn't be in this mess. He confused a lot of Labour votes imo

[The Slim Reaper]

Maybe if he came out for remain in a proper manner during the pre referendum campaign we wouldn't be in this mess. He confused a lot of Labour votes imo

I completely agree. He royally screwed the pooch over whole brexit issue, even up until recently he was still talking of a labour brexit, which should never have been a phrase.

When we're all dead and buried, the historians won't be writing positively about corbyn's brexit approach during the last 4 years

I can't put the blame on him though when the other side was actively doing illegal crap, lying about everything, and promising the world .

Nor can I blame him for the decade of tory austerity that laid the groundwork for this desperation in the people to begin with.

And finally, I can't blame him for the fact Cameron was so scared of Ukip really eating up their supporters, that he called for the referendum in the first place.

He's not blameless, but he's not to blame.

[arista]

The PM Johnson is Live in Parliament
all media

[Tom4784]

A delay needs to happen at this point, we are in no state to leave.

[joeysteele]

I don't know about MPs but I find it hard to follow Johnson when speaking.
He bumbles and mumbles at times.

His points, even if they were valid, get lost by his near deranged hysteria.

[arista]

I don't know about MPs but I find it hard to follow Johnson when speaking.
He bumbles and mumbles at times.

His points, even if they were valid, get lost by his near deranged hysteria.


Yes Erratic
at times


The SNP leader told the PM he has lost his Majority
as Phillip Lee walked over to the LibDems

[Alf]

A delay needs to happen at this point, we are in no state to leave.Another one?

Why don't we just cancel the people's vote and stay in the EU? That'd be better, probably lead to total anarchy, as the people realise they no longer have a say, but it doesn't matter.

[Tom4784]

Another one?

Why don't we just cancel the people's vote and stay in the EU? That'd be better, probably lead to total anarchy, as the people realise they no longer have a say, but it doesn't matter.

Or you can be rational and not self destructive in your desire to win to acknowledge the fact that if we leave now, we're most likely ****ed. Better to leave when we have the security of knowing it's not a mistake then to listen to the no dealers throwing tantrums and **** over potentially more than one generation in the process.

[Cherie]

I completely agree. He royally screwed the pooch over whole brexit issue, even up until recently he was still talking of a labour brexit, which should never have been a phrase.

When we're all dead and buried, the historians won't be writing positively about corbyn's brexit approach during the last 4 years

I can't put the blame on him though when the other side was actively doing illegal crap, lying about everything, and promising the world .

Nor can I blame him for the decade of tory austerity that laid the groundwork for this desperation in the people to begin with.

And finally, I can't blame him for the fact Cameron was so scared of Ukip really eating up their supporters, that he called for the referendum in the first place.

He's not blameless, but he's not to blame.

yep agree with all of that

[Alf]

Or you can be rational and not self destructive in your desire to win to acknowledge the fact that if we leave now, we're most likely ****ed. Better to leave when we have the security of knowing it's not a mistake then to listen to the no dealers throwing tantrums and **** over potentially more than one generation in the process.We are currently fooked. Most likely fooked sounds better to me, it's a chance worth taking in my opinion.

[joeysteele]

He's not performing well here.
Very dodgy in his, well sort of, answers.

[arista]

Phillip Lee MP on his 1st interview
after joining the LibDems
on SkyNewsHD
claimed others over the next few days
will join him?

[joeysteele]

Phillip Lee MP on his 1st interview
after joining the LibDems
on SkyNewsHD
claimed others over the next few days
will join him?

This has been brewing for a few months arista.

[Scarlett.]

Walls are falling in on BJ, his dream of being Prime Minister isnt all it shaped up to be.

[arista]

Walls are falling in on BJ, his dream of being Prime Minister isnt all it shaped up to be.


Yes by 10PM tonight
another vote may enforce another 3 month delay
on Brexit "to be asked for."
If they have enough votes

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDjkJWXWwAI0ABL?format=jpg&name=small

[Twosugars]

Yes by 10PM tonight
another vote may enforce another 3 month delay
on Brexit "to be asked for."
If they have enough votes

I understand Do or Die
Brexit 31st October 2019.

.

[arista]

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[bots]

does anyone else vomit into their mouth when they hear mogg, i do

[joeysteele]

does anyone else vomit into their mouth when they hear mogg, i do

I always wish I could wind him up to say things a little faster.

[Alf]

does anyone else vomit into their mouth when they hear mogg, i doHave you been to see the doctor? He might have a cure for you.

It's a strange case, I've never heard of this ailment before.

[Alf]

Have you been to see the doctor? He might have a cure for you.

It's a strange case, I've never heard of this ailment before.oops! I assumed the Doctor's gender.

Bad me!

[Twosugars]

does anyone else vomit into their mouth when they hear mogg, i do

:laugh:

He does have an awfully flegmatic delivery and his head wobbles :laugh:

[arista]

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[bots]

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[Twosugars]

I see Ken Clarke's paunch:)

[Twosugars]

A group of the world’s leading business organisations, including from the US, Japan and Australia, have warned the UK that a no-deal Brexit would damage its reputation with some of its biggest trading partners.

In an open letter signed by some of the biggest lobby groups in the western world, representing more than 4m companies from eight countries, the organisations said they had “grave concerns” about the rising chance of a no-deal departure on 31 October.

The organisations said such a scenario would “create substantial disruption for businesses, workers, farmers and regulators” in the UK and the countries they were representing.

“Such disruptions are bound to affect jobs, consumer choices, and the cost of goods and services,” the lobby groups wrote.
The Guardian

[Tom4784]

We are currently fooked. Most likely fooked sounds better to me, it's a chance worth taking in my opinion.

How exactly are we currently ****ed? Explain it to me.

[Twosugars]

The clown lost the vote by 27, the rebels are not scared of his threats
Tomorrow the key vote to stop no deal
The clown will call for elections Wednesday
Opposition says they will support that only if the stop no deal bill becomes law
Peston says if the clown wins clear majority he could repeal that bill before 31 and still Brexit without a deal

I guess the key thing is cons/brexit party combo should not be allowed clear majority
If people give them that then this country deserves no deal :shrug:

[Kazanne]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDkPwu6XUAAGGaI?format=jpg&name=small

:joker: LBC radio has already said at least 3 papers would use this pic for today:laugh: apparently a similar pic of him was taken in 2017 and have seen many of them nodding off.

[SherzyK]

:joker: LBC radio has already said at least 3 papers would use this pic for today:laugh: apparently a similar pic of him was taken in 2017 and have seen many of them nodding off.

How is that funny? There’s literally so much uncertainty surrounding the Brexit transition and he’s nodding off like it’s all a bloody farce

[Twosugars]

:joker: LBC radio has already said at least 3 papers would use this pic for today:laugh: apparently a similar pic of him was taken in 2017 and have seen many of them nodding off.


:umm2:

[joeysteele]

Johnson may have been able to be a bully to get his own way through life and while running a City.

The qualities needed to be a Prime Minister should make sure bullies don't prosper.
He's paid a price tonight for that.

Now he's carrying out more bully boy tactics expelling 21 members of his MPs.
Even the recognised Father of the house too and Winston Churchill's g grandson.

What an example of how inept he is for this very high office of the realm.
Terrible.

I hope Labour do not deliver his general election hope.
Not at this moment in time at least.

Let him stew with next to no power now for a period with his Cabinet of hard line extremists.

[Twosugars]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDkPwu6XUAAGGaI?format=jpg&name=small

The arrogance exposed

Or waiting for his nanny to give him some bitty

[Samm]

3 years of utter chaos and three prime ministers... and our country turned into a joke.. yeah leave voters you did the right thing!

lol

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDksv1xWwAMJMnf?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDksv1XXsAAFrbg?format=jpg&name=medium

[joeysteele]

Stupid headline from the Express.
Makes me glad I never touch a paper.

Parliament sees sense more like.
Surrender, what a ridiculous and childish front page.

So called 'news' papers should be on fiction racks or shelves rather than news ones.

[arista]

The 21 Conservative MP's
are having their Whips removed.

Johnson PM can call his only Election
but Labour say they will stop that.
Saying they do not trust him , meaning he can change the date.


[Rebel Tory MPs were left reeling after they officially had the whip withdrawn, with one,
Sam Gyimah, telling Sky News "it looks like they've also disabled our passes, which is a hostile act".]


https://news.sky.com/story/mps-take-control-of-commons-agenda-to-delay-no-deal-brexit-as-election-threat-looms-11801687

[arista]

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[arista]

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The 21 sacked.

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[Vanessa]

I don't like Boris Johnson tactics. We live in a democracy. Parliament should have a say. I really hope he doesn't get his way. He's not fit to be prime minister.

[Cherie]

Boris is banking on the electorate to deliver no deal for him, any ‘bump’ in the road can then be blamed on the public getting their wish


Get out and vote this time, who for in the opposition is the conundrum though

[Vanessa]

I think Brexit could be delayed until January.

[Vanessa]

:laugh2::joker: LBC radio has already said at least 3 papers would use this pic for today:laugh: apparently a similar pic of him was taken in 2017 and have seen many of them nodding off.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Cherie]

give us a referendum rather than an election if it really is over to you Britain :pipe:

[Kizzy]

Very fairly corbyn who for months has asked for an election has now stated there must be an extention before an election, to remove the chance of a cliff edge brexit before a GE. But lets see how the media spin this decision.

[bots]

What angered me the most was mogg saying that the bill was unconstitutional while he and his cronies treated the HoC with utter contempt. Him sprawled disinterested across the seats was not a good advert for the cabinets position and I think he will live to regret it

[arista]

give us a referendum rather than an election if it really is over to you Britain :pipe:



No
its General Election with Clear Brexit sides



If Labour Win
they claim to have another referendum.
Once they are in Power

[arista]

Very fairly Corbyn who for months has asked for an election has now stated there must be an extension before an election, to remove the chance of a cliff edge Brexit before a GE. But lets see how the media spin this decision.

Yes he does not trust Johnson PM
saying he would set a date
then change it in order to get
No Deal through,
The media has explained that .


Today is Johnson PM's first
Question Time.

[Twosugars]

No
its General Election with Clear Brexit sides



If Labour Win
they claim to have another referendum.
Once they are in Power


It's a no no deal bill first

Nobody trusts the clown

And then maybe a vote of no confidence or maybe an election

The clown overplayed his hand


Sign of the times

[arista]

It's a no deal bill first

Nobody trusts the clown

And then maybe a vote of no confidence or maybe an election

The clown overplayed his hand


Sign of the times


Yes it also has to get through the House Of Lords
before Friday end.

[joeysteele]

I would hope the more reasoned and decent voters.
Will not support this bullying type of government.

Even the Cabinet don't seem to talk to each other.
That dreadful woman Leadsom interviewed indicated no action would be taken imminently against those voting for Conservative MP Oliver Letwin's bill.
Then a few minutes later they were all being expelled.

No reasoned voter can surely support that type of bullying tactics by a Prime Minister.

Had Theresa May done this, when a good number of this Cabinet, voted against her wishes.
The said Boris Johnson couldn't have run for the Conservative leadership.

I really hope Labour and the SNP join the Lib Dems to not give Johnson his way as to a general election vote, if he does, tonight.

It has to come but I agree after all has been done to stop a no deal scenario.

Johnson may do well to recall too.
A past Conservative leader in very different times admittedly.
Namely Heath, who in the 70s, called an election under a who governs Britain type of banner too.
Who then lost then too.

As for Rees- Mogg.
His style of posture in such important and serious issues being debated, was pure ignorance.

He'd probably be the first to look down on anyone, thinking them uneducated, if he came across it anywhere else.

I believe more in the Country want to leave with a good deal or remain.
I think around 35 to possibly 40% could support no deal.

How those votes are distributed is the problem.

If the Cons take around 30% and the Brexit party around 10%.

Then split votes between Labour and Lib Dems could hand a small overall majority to the Cons.
Or leave them largest party.

If we had PR the issue is easier.
The Lib Dems under this archaic electoral first past the post system.
Have to really get high in the votes to get anywhere near leading the field in seats won.

The way Labour and Con votes stack up, even being in the twenties as to percentage, floods seats more easily to those two Parties.

I'd expect another hung Parliament probably.

I would love Labour in a general election to put forward PR for the future as a policy.
End this then possible build up of extreme elements taking over in government.
From whatever side of politics it shows itself.

[Twosugars]

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Worth reposting these two tweets

Well done Arista for posting them

[Twosugars]

Far-sighted editorial in the Guardian


The defeat of Boris Johnson’s government by the opposition and 21 of his own MPs is the first shot in a battle for the soul of the Conservative party. Six weeks after he took office, the prime minister looks certain to be forced by law to break his promise to leave the European Union by 31 October, “do or die”. The implications for the Tory party are likely to be more significant than for Mr Johnson. The rebels will be purged from the party, by having the whip withdrawn and being prevented from standing as Tory candidates in the next election. The argument over Brexit raging in the Tory party might see the kind of split that followed Robert Peel’s 1846 repeal of the Corn Laws.

Mr Johnson acts as if he wants such a schism, to seal his hostile takeover of the Tory party. The scale and pace of his power grab might astonish outsiders, but no one within the party should be surprised. In June the votes of 92,000 Tory members elected Mr Johnson, a no-dealer, to the party leadership. A month later he made it clear that only no-dealers could sit round the cabinet table. Mr Johnson has lost his majority in parliament, but he has strengthened his hold on his party. Now the Conservative party will be shorn of critics, allowing Mr Johnson to campaign in a forthcoming election – if he can engineer one – with a pledge to reverse any law that prevents a no-deal Brexit on 31 October. For Mr Johnson the incarnation of the Tory party under Theresa May was weak. Weak in spirit, in manner and in appearance. This would not do, he reasoned, for a country that was hurt, angry and scared. Mr Johnson’s response was to adopt the Trumpian tactic of goading opponents to energise his supporters.

The prime minister wants to whip up as much indignation among leave voters as he can. It is a ploy to exacerbate grievances so that he can fight this base’s corner in a flag-waving general election. This must happen before the consequences of a no-deal exit become obvious. To achieve this, Mr Johnson’s strategy with the European Union has been to set out conditions to renegotiate the withdrawal agreement that cannot be met. That would make a damaging no-deal Brexit inevitable. The prime minister could then attach the blame for this outcome to his foes inside parliament and on the continent – hence his provocative and shameful descriptions of his opponents as collaborators who would “surrender” the UK’s sovereignty. This unholy mixture of political opportunism and misguided ideology has been driving Britain towards a geopolitical precipice.

If Britain leaves the EU without a deal, there will be economic chaos; those who suffer most will be the very people who voted for Brexit as an act of defiance. It is no surprise that Mr Johnson now talks about cutting the cost of living, aware no doubt that the Brexit-fuelled depreciation of the pound disproportionately affects the poor by pushing up the prices of food and fuel.

Mr Johnson’s pitch will be an update of the populism that William Hague road-tested in 2001: that the people are being betrayed by a “liberal elite” who wilfully ignore their concerns about foreigners and the threat posed by the EU, which unattended would see the UK becoming “a foreign land”. Yet even Mr Hague did not believe that pooling sovereignty with European partners would undermine our own and remove our right to cut regulation or get the best out of trade deals with the rest of the world. Mr Hague wanted a culture war with Europe, not an economic one. Mr Johnson wants both. This is how far the baleful virus of Europhobic populism has spread. It will keep the nation bitterly divided, even where considerable agreement once existed. Mr Johnson intuitively understands that turmoil will sustain his premiership – to the extent that there is no part of government that he will not burn down on behalf of the governed to keep himself in office. That is why he must be stopped.

[Kazanne]

Boris is banking on the electorate to deliver no deal for him, any ‘bump’ in the road can then be blamed on the public getting their wish


Get out and vote this time, who for in the opposition is the conundrum though

Whats the point Cherie,they do what THEY want,not what WE want

[The Slim Reaper]

Boris is banking on the electorate to deliver no deal for him, any ‘bump’ in the road can then be blamed on the public getting their wish


Get out and vote this time, who for in the opposition is the conundrum though

It's not really a conundrum.

If you're in Scotland vote SNP, so if this crazy government wins again, you can get yourselves out of the UK and back into the EU, or if you're in England you vote labour. The so-called liberal democrats supported and backed all of the worst tory policies, from austerity, to fracking, to bedroom tax; all propped up by the lib dems.

Don't let the media lies about Corbyn fool you.

[Nicky91]

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these 2 hardcore brexiteer girls again bashing Boris, they demand a no deal :bored:

[arista]

Worth reposting these two tweets

Well done Arista for posting them



I am Honest

[bots]

if there were an election we are in completely uncharted territory. No-one trusts the tories or labour to run the country, the lib dems, the greens etc have been completely ineffective.

If there is no brexit before the election, the brexit party will stand and will get a sizeable chunk of votes. We have no idea how an election would turn out and what side of the argument would prevail. My feeling is it will be split pretty evenly again no matter what arguments came up in the runup. People are entrenched in their beliefs, there wont be any undecided voters. If it achieves anything short term, the problem won't go away whichever way it drops

[Kazanne]

So let's get this straight if it's possible to find a policy with all the Labour U turns. For all his career Corbyn has been vehemently opposed to the EU, now he wants to remain in it. For the last three to four years Corbyn has been calling for a General Election and now they get their chance they don't want one. They wanted a deal and yet voted against the May surrender document, three times.

[Twosugars]

Kazanne stop parrotting silly terms like "surrender document"

[arista]

these 2 hardcore brexiteer girls again bashing Boris, they demand a no deal :bored:


Yes the Brexit Bitches
they have no power

[The Slim Reaper]

So let's get this straight if it's possible to find a policy with all the Labour U turns. For all his career Corbyn has been vehemently opposed to the EU, now he wants to remain in it. For the last three to four years Corbyn has been calling for a General Election and now they get their chance they don't want one. They wanted a deal and yet voted against the May surrender document, three times.

Lets talk U turns; Johnson and JRM both voted for and against Mays deal. Is that a U turn?

Mays deal didn't pass because of the far right in the tory party (ERG). It's not labours responsibility.

Beware of any politician that never changes their mind, because it shows you it's ideology rather than evidence that moves them.

Why is your anger at a party in the minority rather than the people who lied to you? It really doesn't make any sense, Kaz.

[arista]

if there were an election we are in completely uncharted territory. No-one trusts the tories or labour to run the country, the lib dems, the greens etc have been completely ineffective.

If there is no brexit before the election, the brexit party will stand and will get a sizeable chunk of votes. We have no idea how an election would turn out and what side of the argument would prevail. My feeling is it will be split pretty evenly again no matter what arguments came up in the runup. People are entrenched in their beliefs, there wont be any undecided voters. If it achieves anything short term, the problem won't go away whichever way it drops


Yes
Pro Brexit you Vote Conservative


A Referendum you Vote Labour
who once in power , they say you get a Another Vote


Thats simple

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Conservatives fooked up


and Corbyn has been consistent in his views regarding all of this brexit chaotic mess


and slim's right, this isn't labour's responsibility at all so far to handle brexit, it's been up to these conservatives who don't know what they want


and if i remember correctly, johnson, JRM were first for may's deal, and then suddenly a U-Turn against her deal and been against her all that time to work her out as PM

[Cherie]

It's not really a conundrum.

If you're in Scotland vote SNP, so if this crazy government wins again, you can get yourselves out of the UK and back into the EU, or if you're in England you vote labour. The so-called liberal democrats supported and backed all of the worst tory policies, from austerity, to fracking, to bedroom tax; all propped up by the lib dems.

Don't let the media lies about Corbyn fool you.

sorry I dont trust someone who has been anti Europe since the 70s, and who has flip flopped in his views over leaving..... I think all he wants is power :shrug:

[Cherie]

Conservatives fooked up


and Corbyn has been consistent in his views regarding all of this brexit chaotic mess


and slim's right, this isn't labour's responsibility at all so far to handle brexit, it's been up to these conservatives who don't know what they want


and if i remember correctly, johnson, JRM were first for may's deal, and then suddenly a U-Turn against her deal and been against her all that time to work her out as PM

no he hasn't, he wouldn't commit to a peoples vote for fear of upsetting the Labour leave voters .....

also Labour voted against Mrs Mays deal time and time again......soooooooo

[arista]

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[Cherie]

Yes
Pro Brexit you Vote Conservative


A Referendum you Vote Labour
who once in power , they say you get a Another Vote


Thats simple

Once in power they can do what they like, I don't trust any of them at this stage

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[Liam-]

**** it, I’m voting for Larry

[arista]

Once in power they can do what they like, I don't trust any of them at this stage


That understandable


Labour will set up a Referendum
once you Elect them.
That's their Selling Line


Conservative are Leaving the EU
by all means

[Daniel-X]

Oh how LOVELY this has all been eh, we have to celebrate

[Cherie]

What angered me the most was mogg saying that the bill was unconstitutional while he and his cronies treated the HoC with utter contempt. Him sprawled disinterested across the seats was not a good advert for the cabinets position and I think he will live to regret it

Everyone should be angered by his attitude whatever side you are on, I do hope this is his Mrs May moment, hope he loses his seat

[Cherie]

**** it, I’m voting for Larry

Larry would probably do a better job, and if he joins forces with the new Downing street dog, who knows what can be achieved

[The Slim Reaper]

sorry I dont trust someone who has been anti Europe since the 70s, and who has flip flopped in his views over leaving..... I think all he wants is power :shrug:

Even if you don't trust Corbyn on Europe, and I get why you wouldn't, you have to accept there's no way he'd crash us out without a deal.

Even after last night, Johnson is still trying to do it. They've tabled 86 amendments so that even if the bill does pass tonight, they're trying to make sure it can't pass the house of lords by Monday when prorogation kicks in.

The tories/brexiters have turned their party into a death cult.

[Cherie]

Even if you don't trust Corbyn on Europe, and I get why you wouldn't, you have to accept there's no way he'd crash us out without a deal.

Even after last night, Johnson is still trying to do it. They've tabled 86 amendments so that even if the bill does pass tonight, they're trying to make sure it can't pass the house of lords by Monday when prorogation kicks in.

The tories/brexiters have turned their party into a death cult.

would he not though, I just don't know, trust is something I am not associating with any side at the moment, as soon as Boris was elected, all parties should have been calling for a cancellation of the recess..... it makes no sense to me why they swanned off for 6 weeks during this crucial period...its not like they didn't know they had a deadline to meet OR that Boris would be machinating behind the scenes

[Denver]

Seems like Corbyn no longer was an election

[The Slim Reaper]

would he not though, I just don't know, trust is something I am not associating with any side at the moment, as soon as Boris was elected, all parties should have been calling for a cancellation of the recess..... it makes no sense to me why they swanned off for 6 weeks during this crucial period...its not like they didn't know they had a deadline to meet OR that Boris would be machinating behind the scenes

Because we don't have a written constitution, parliament has always required there is good faith across all parties to not act the way Johnson has. I don't think anyone can be blamed for what Johnson has done.

No way Corbyn would be allowed by labour to crash out without a deal even if he wanted to (he doesn't). We've seen how all the brexit cultists in the tory party haven't been able to get past their own party, nevermind getting past (what could be) a labour gov, or a labour/snp/lib dem coalition. It just doesn't make any logical sense.

[The Slim Reaper]

Seems like Corbyn no longer was an election

He wants an election, he just wants to make sure Boris can't use this to crash us out with a no deal beforehand.

Once the deal is sorted, he'll happily confirm the election.

Do you read the sun, WSM?

[Twosugars]

Tbh 1.9% majority gives a flimsy mandate for a soft brexit at best, any more is lies

[arista]

He wants an election, he just wants to make sure Boris can't use this to crash us out with a no deal beforehand.

Once the deal is sorted, he'll happily confirm the election.

Do you read the sun, WSM?



Yes all media state that
Correct Slim.

[joeysteele]

IIt is as always has been post war under this first past the post voting system.

If voters don't want the Cons in only Labour can beat them at present.

If you don't want Labour then only the Cons can beat them to be the governing party.

So if voters support the humiliating policies of the Cons to the sick and disabled, have not a single concern for the NHS under them.
Also want the most extreme of brexit, even no deal then it's clear the Cons get your vote.

If the hope is for a softer more conciliatory brexit and the domestic policies of Labour then to stop the Cons, voting anything else than Labour, will leave the Cons in government or the largest party.

The Lib Dems would need to get to the 30s as a percentage.
Then have the Cons under 30% and Labour well down in the 20s as a percentage, just for them to get to maybe have the most seats.

Of course Corbyn would never be allowed by the whole Labour movement to leave with no deal.

He would have to hold a referendum that even included remain on it, if he held one even on any deal.
If the conference voted for that.

If under this daft voting syste in an election you ended up with the Cons on 35% to 38%.
Labour on the mid 20s, the Lib Dems on the mid 20s.
You have this madness of then the Cons winning with an overall majority because of split votes.

If you're happy with this PM and government fine.
That's what you'll get.
If you want this PM and government clipped of power.
Really only Labour, love or hate it, can defeat the Cons in a general election.

This election system is bonkers.
It's time for PR, in fact it's long overdue in my own view anyway.

[Niamh.]

Teresa May suddenly doesn't look so bad ..........

[arista]

Teresa May suddenly doesn't look so bad ..........


Its all her fault
not consulting with her Plan she adjusted
she was pathetic.


She wasted 3 years

[Niamh.]

Its all her fault
not consulting with her Plan she adjusted
she was pathetic.


She wasted 3 years

:thumbs: :hehe:

[arista]

The Scottish Court
threw out the case against Johnson PM.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-labour-not-voting-for-an-election-today-says-sir-keir-starmer-11801840

[Beso]

So do labour want an election now or not..they seem a bit tipsy turvy regarding this, I'm sure they wanted an election last week but today they seem to be against the idea...

[arista]

So do labour want an election now or not..they seem a bit tipsy turvy regarding this, I'm sure they wanted an election last week but today they seem to be against the idea...


Yes they want a Election
but after their Bill is put through on Monday.
Then they are well ready.

[The Slim Reaper]

So do labour want an election now or not..they seem a bit tipsy turvy regarding this, I'm sure they wanted an election last week but today they seem to be against the idea...

He wants an election, he just wants to make sure Boris can't use this to crash us out with a no deal beforehand.

Once the deal is sorted, he'll happily confirm the election.

Tipsy turvy

[Cherie]

Because we don't have a written constitution, parliament has always required there is good faith across all parties to not act the way Johnson has. I don't think anyone can be blamed for what Johnson has done.

No way Corbyn would be allowed by labour to crash out without a deal even if he wanted to (he doesn't). We've seen how all the brexit cultists in the tory party haven't been able to get past their own party, nevermind getting past (what could be) a labour gov, or a labour/snp/lib dem coalition. It just doesn't make any logical sense.

No, but we are in extreme times, and even when he suggested proguing Parliament I didn't see any MPs wanting to come back early?

Sorry the whole lot of them are shambolic

Everyone will be glued to PMs questions today I feel :laugh:

[arista]

PMQ's
Johnson first time. Now
SkyNewsHD
BBC2HD
BBCnewsHD
LBC radio
Radio5

[Beso]

Tipsy turvy

They want it all this labour lot..

Pity they are going to get nothing.:joker:

[arista]

Johnson PM just said General Election October the 15th Tuesday , he wants

[Nicky91]

PMQ's
Johnson first time. Now
SkyNewsHD
BBC2HD
BBCnewsHD
LBC radio
Radio5

yes also a livestream on YouTube

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[arista]

Good one Nicky.

[bots]

Johnson PM just said General Election October the 15th Tuesday , he wants

The original date was the 14th but it is a jewish religious day where they are not allowed to do anything including voting. They should have done better research before suggesting the 14th

[Kazanne]

Kazanne stop parrotting silly terms like "surrender document"

Why dont you stop telling people what to think and say, and get on with bigging up the opposition.

[joeysteele]

All he's doing is repeating himself from yesterday.
It seems he's another one who forgets this is questions TO the PM, not FROM the PM.

Yelling and in a deranged way, doesn't make his points valid in any shape or form.

[Kazanne]

Lets talk U turns; Johnson and JRM both voted for and against Mays deal. Is that a U turn?

Mays deal didn't pass because of the far right in the tory party (ERG). It's not labours responsibility.

Beware of any politician that never changes their mind, because it shows you it's ideology rather than evidence that moves them.

Why is your anger at a party in the minority rather than the people who lied to you? It really doesn't make any sense, Kaz.

I'm not angry Slim,I enjoy debating if it's done in a friendly manner,:wavey: I just don't see at the moment how anyone will get the deal they want,all of them have told porkies, it's hard to trust any of them,but I do think the vote should be honoured,we could probably still do deals if we wanted to.

[Kazanne]

sorry I dont trust someone who has been anti Europe since the 70s, and who has flip flopped in his views over leaving..... I think all he wants is power :shrug:

This is what I think Cherie,had they got a better leader I might go with thier views,i just dont like Corbyn,dont trust him ,I cannot warm to him at all.

[arista]

Johnson PM used the Sh,,,,,,, word

Saying the Labour Education Lady said it.

[Kazanne]

Johnson PM used the Sh,,,,,,, word

Saying the Labour Education Lady said it.

:joker::joker::joker: How very dare he swear arista,:joker: it's just made me laugh the way you posted it.:laugh:

[joeysteele]

Johnson PM used the Sh,,,,,,, word

Saying the Labour Education Lady said it.

He doesn't even seem to understand proper parliamentary procedure.

He wears me out just listening to his near madman rants.

[bots]

Let's have some reality here. Even if Boris succeeds in getting brexit past the post, it still leaves the possibility for a future government to set up trade arrangements with Europe as they see fit, including the customs union. Everyone seems to be under the mistaken opinion that things are set in stone. They are not. It's not do or die, any decision made now is reversible. So Boris can huff and puff, those opposed to a no deal can huff and puff, but it makes no difference. Europe is a big market that we need on the best possible terms. Any arrangement other than that is betraying the country

[arista]

He doesn't even seem to understand proper parliamentary procedure.

He wears me out just listening to his near madman rants.



Put Subtitles on
lower his Volume a bit.

[smudgie]

Did I hear correctly?
Boris as much as called Corbyn a chlorinated chicken.:hehe:

[The Slim Reaper]

They want it all this labour lot..

Pity they are going to get nothing.:joker:

I know, imagine trying to protect folks from themselves :joker:

[arista]

Did I hear correctly?
Boris as much as called Corbyn a chlorinated chicken.:hehe:



Yes his Comedy words

[arista]

Phillip Hammond MP
has lost his local support
his local office is now going to find a new MP.

Phillip yesterday on radio 4
claimed he would fight to stay as the MP.
Sadly his local group are not backing him....................


Ref: SkyNewsHD Live

[Beso]

Phillip Hammond MP
has lost his local support
his local office is now going to find a new MP.

Phillip yesterday on radio 4
claimed he would fight to stay as the MP.
Sadly his local group are not backing him....................


Ref: SkyNewsHD Live

I was in someone's house who has him round to parties at her house. .I giggled when she described him as a friendless odious man.:joker:

[Tom4784]

Seems like Corbyn no longer was an election

Only if you aren't paying attention to the facts.

He wants an extension BEFORE an election is called so Boris and the Tories can't force a No Deal for the Elites before they face the music of an election.

[arista]

[3pm - MPs opposed to a no-deal Brexit
introduce legislation to the Commons,
which would force the PM to seek a
three-month delay to the UK's departure
from the EU if he can't reach a
new agreement with Brussels
7pm - MPs begin a series of votes on
the legislation looking to block
no-deal Brexit
After - If the legislation passes,
the Government has vowed to push for
a vote on a snap general election]

[bots]

Everyone knows i dislike Corbyn with a passion, but his strategy of making sure no deal is avoided before voting for an election is absolutely the right call

[Vanessa]

:laugh3:Did I hear correctly?
Boris as much as called Corbyn a chlorinated chicken.:hehe:

[arista]

Everyone knows i dislike Corbyn with a passion, but his strategy of making sure no deal is avoided before voting for an election is absolutely the right call


Sure
it's all logical.

[Scarlett.]

Now that no deal is blocked, we should just take the deal, its a compromise between the two sides. Lets just get the deal and move on.

[Twosugars]

Now that no deal is blocked, we should just take the deal, its a compromise between the two sides. Lets just get the deal and move on.

Not blocked yet. The clown will try to spoil it in the lords. Too early to take it for granted

[Twosugars]

I was in someone's house who has him round to parties at her house. .I giggled when she described him as a friendless odious man.:joker:

He's taking them to court afaik

[Twosugars]

Conservative peers planning to stall the expected Brexit delay bill from being debated in the House of Lords have been criticised as childish and irresponsible.

Brexit-backing Tory peers have tabled more than 100 amendments to the motion tabled by Labour’s Hilary Benn should the bill pass its Commons stage on Wednesday.
The Guardian

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDnYErNWwAAvnXk?format=jpg&name=small

[joeysteele]

Superb genuine heartfelt speech from Jess Phillips.
Really impressed with her over this year.

[arista]

superb genuine heartfelt speech from jess phillips.
Really impressed with her over this year.


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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1169335764125196288/uVuRjZ1-?format=jpg&name=small

[Alf]

So, our far-right, government, dictatorship is insisting on a General election, while rebel opposition groups are demanding regime change through the process of not having an election.

Do I have that right?

[MTVN]

So, our far-right, government, dictatorship is insisting on a General election, while rebel opposition groups are demanding regime change through the process of not having an election.

Do I have that right?

Pretty much

[joeysteele]

So, our far-right, government, dictatorship is insisting on a General election, while rebel opposition groups are demanding regime change through the process of not having an election.

Do I have that right?


No, they've legitimately passed a bill to have him remove a chance of no deal happening during or before an election.

Once he's done that, in accordance with following parliamentary procedures and the LAW.

Then he can have his election.

No one can in truth trust a word this PM says.
Then again.
That was known before the extremist Con members inflicted him on the UK as the least worthy candidate to be so.

[Alf]

No, they've legitimately passed a bill to have him remove a chance of no deal happening during or before an election.

Once he's done that, in accordance with following parliamentary procedures and the LAW.

Then he can have his election.

No one can in truth trust a word this PM says.
Then again.
That was known before the extremist Con members inflicted him on the UK as the least worthy candidate to be so.So are you telling me that they've legitimately passed a bill to take away our countries best bargaining tool to negotiate with?

I hear it being called the surrender bill, that name holds some weight with what you seem to be telling me.

[Twosugars]

Theres no negotiations going on, the clown has been lying again and got caught. Nobody believes a word he says.
You cant be too careful with the sneaky liar. He'd move the election date just to leave with no deal.
The hard brexit nutters want to wreck the country, traitors.

[joeysteele]

So are you telling me that they've legitimately passed a bill to take away our countries best bargaining tool to negotiate with?

I hear it being called the surrender bill, that name holds some weight with what you seem to be telling me.


No because it was never a best bargaining chip.
It wasn't for Theresa May.

Also it isn't needed here anyway because this PM is lying incessantly since there's no negotiations he's even trying to do, let alone doing.

Surrender, to what.
That's a ridiculous word to use.
Meaningless.

[joeysteele]

Theres no negotiations going on, the clown has been lying again and got caught. Nobody believes a word he says.
You cant be too careful with the sneaky liar. He'd move the election date just to leave with no deal.
The hard brexit nutters want to wreck the country, traitors.

Dead right Twosugars.

[Alf]

No because it was never a best bargaining chip.
It wasn't for Theresa May.

Also it isn't needed here anyway because this PM is lying incessantly since there's no negotiations he's even trying to do, let alone doing.

Surrender, to what.
That's a ridiculous word to use.
Meaningless.Mrs May was a remainer, she answered to her EU masters. Forget what she did, she did nothing but conspire to delay as long as possible or keep us as servents to our EU masters.

You're arguing to destroy democracy in this country, and to take away mine and your power and say. You're arguing for the interest of the EU over the interests of your own country. And you can deny that as much as you like, but that's what you're doing, intentionally or not.

Name me a better bargaining chip?

[Twosugars]

Theres no democratic mandate for hard brexit no matter how you milk the pathetic 1.9% majority.

Soft brexit with the Irish backstop is in the best interest of the country.

[Alf]

Theres no democratic mandate for hard brexit no matter how you milk the pathetic 1.9% majority.

Soft brexit with the Irish backstop is in the best interest of the country.Except for the line in the Tory manifesto at the last General election, which they won, that said. "No deal is better than a bad deal"

So what are we waiting for?

[Twosugars]

They didnt win majority did they

[Alf]

They didnt win majority did theyA majority? Yes, they did. They got the highest number.

[Greg!]

A majority? Yes, they did. They got the highest number.

Majority means more than half.

[Kizzy]

But no deal is a bad deal too... so where does that leave us?
I hear people say they're fed up of brexit, why? It's been 3yrs...so what!
This is of such importance for us, our kids and our kids kids... Let's not rush, if it takes 5yrs..7yrs let's get it right!

[Tom4784]

So, our far-right, government, dictatorship is insisting on a General election, while rebel opposition groups are demanding regime change through the process of not having an election.

Do I have that right?

Not quite, The Tories are basically trying to screw up any chance of a deal by pushing for an election BEFORE we get an extension. Most of the parties have stated that they'd go for a GE if the deadline gets extended. Boris is only pushing for a GE now without an extension because it'll ultimately benefit his goals.

If we have a GE, the deadline MUST be extended to give the new government the chance to actually prepare to leave in the best way possible.

[James]

Wouldn't any government that gets elected on October 15th be able to overturn the legislation to extend the exit date?

Unless the opposition is thinking that Boris Johnson is going to say Oct 15th to get the vote for the election, then change the date to after Oct 31st, which would be extraordinary.

[Alf]

Bring on the election. "Drain the swamp" It's long overdue.

Let's put some people in Parliament that serve us and do as we tell them to do, and get rid of the majority of them that ignore what we tell them and serve only their EU masters.

It's the Political establishment vs The People. Choose your side wisely.

[Alf]

Arista, if you're posting front page of the papers, then post The Sun's.

Something about chlorinated chicken, I think.

[Vanessa]

Boris Johnson is losing control. That's because he approached things wrong. He should have let Parliament have their say After all, we live in a democracy.
By shutting it down it almost feels like a dictatorship.

[arista]

Wouldn't any government that gets elected on October 15th be able to overturn the legislation to extend the exit date?

Unless the opposition is thinking that Boris Johnson is going to say Oct 15th to get the vote for the election, then change the date to after Oct 31st, which would be extraordinary.




Yes James
that's why Labour will not agree a Snap Election
until they have stopped any chance of over turning.

[arista]

Arista, if you're posting front page of the papers, then post The Sun's.

Something about chlorinated chicken, I think.


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/91AB/production/_108619273_the-sun.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/438B/production/_108619271_guardian.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/DFCB/production/_108619275_the-times.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/B8BB/production/_108619274_the-mirror.jpg

[Beso]

Theres no negotiations going on, the clown has been lying again and got caught. Nobody believes a word he says.
You cant be too careful with the sneaky liar. He'd move the election date just to leave with no deal.
The hard brexit nutters want to wreck the country, traitors.

We could have been out long ago and would be back to normal by now...if it wasn't for the traitors blocking the will of the people.

[Twosugars]

We could have been out long ago and would be back to normal by now...if it wasn't for the traitors blocking the will of the people.

How ironic for you bc it was the ERG who stopped the deal from passing :laugh:
The traitors indeed

[Alf]

Nigel is a coming!

A pact between his Brexit party and Johnson's Conservatives to clean up at the General Election?

Do you want Corbynism or not? Make your choice.

Nigel is on the BBC in 15 minutes 8.30am

[Beso]

How ironic for you bc it was the ERG who stopped the deal from passing :laugh:
The traitors indeed

I can't understand your txt speak..nor will I reply to such laziness.


Sounds like the usual bollocks though.

[Nicky91]

Nigel is a coming!

A pact between his Brexit party and Johnson's Conservatives to clean up at the General Election?

Do you want Corbynism or not? Make your choice.

Nigel is on the BBC in 15 minutes 8.30am

not power hungry Farage seizing his opportunity now

Farage as PM would even be worse than Boris the clown


time for britain to go more left, so one of the left wing parties, if not Labour then another left party


this desire for brexit only brought britain into more chaos

[Alf]

not power hungry Farage seizing his opportunity now

Farage as PM would even be worse than Boris the clown


time for britain to go more left, so one of the left wing parties, if not Labour then another left party


this desire for brexit only brought britain into more chaosSame in Hong Kong, their desire for independence is bringing chaos, I hope ours doesn't get that bad, but it's getting to the brink and something may just burst soon.

[Kazanne]

Boris Johnson is losing control. That's because he approached things wrong. He should have let Parliament have their say After all, we live in a democracy.
By shutting it down it almost feels like a dictatorship.

The MPs already threw 'domocracy' out the door Vanessa when they didn't honour the peoples democratic vote .

[Nicky91]

Same in Hong Kong, their desire for independence is bringing chaos, I hope ours doesn't get that bad, but it's getting to the brink and something may just burst soon.

one difference, britain didn't have to go for a brexit but the chaos is what elitist morons Farage, Gove, Johnson, JRM brought upon you all


if anything for justice now in britain, is that you guys get a left wing people's party in power now, to restore the calmth for the middle class and poor british people

[Alf]

Farage says he's willing to come together to make a pact with Johnson to target seats, if Johnson wants to go for a clean break Brexit. Farage says he has 630 candidates ready to go.

[Kazanne]

not power hungry Farage seizing his opportunity now

Farage as PM would even be worse than Boris the clown


time for britain to go more left, so one of the left wing parties, if not Labour then another left party


this desire for brexit only brought britain into more chaos

You might describe Boris as a 'clown' or use it as you feel it makes your opinion more valid,but it doesn't , as most of us know he is NOT a clown,he is a clever guy,he may come across as a 'clown' but that in itself is a clever move,just because the opposition keep blocking Brexit,does not make the other party stupid or 'clowns' but saying that I'de rather be called a 'clown' than a coward which is what Corbyn seems to be :wavey:

[Twosugars]

I can't understand your txt speak..nor will I reply to such laziness.


Sounds like the usual bollocks though.

Thank god for small mercies :dance:

[Beso]

Thank god for small mercies :dance:

Typical left..breaking rules deliberately to suit thier own agenda.