Game of Thrones Thread

[bots]

Oh

cant say i've noticed :shame:

here was another example :laugh:

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[Vicky.]

Can't wait to watch this tonight like, might try and persuade gavin to watch iy yhrough the day, and if not then watch it myself on the sly and just again tonight..

Had read all the spoilers anyway, so wanted actual people reactions..and it seems its going to be great :D

[Vicky.]

Mihnd, just quickly looked at people on heres reactions, and maybe not that good? Everyone on FB is raving!

[Smithy]

The only bad part of the episode is the Jon/Daenerys dragon bit, everything else was great

[bots]

Mihnd, just quickly looked at people on heres reactions, and maybe not that good? Everyone on FB is raving!

it's a great episode, very much a scene setter, I think everyone by now has their pet hates and that colours opinion

[BBDodge]

it's a great episode, very much a scene setter, I think everyone by now has their pet hates and that colours opinion

There's was nothing in this episode we didn't already know. So a scene setter, yes. The great episodes will be coming soon.

[Babayaro.]

It was a solid episode but from reading that review Smithy posted saying that it's in the top 5 ever, I was expecting more :/

[The Slim Reaper]

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This reminds me so much of my cat, who has given me this look lots of times when he should be minding his own business.

[Denver]

It was a solid episode but from reading that review Smithy posted saying that it's in the top 5 ever, I was expecting more :/

Wasnt it top 5 of the series it said?

[The Slim Reaper]

Wasnt it top 5 of the series it said?

It's only six episodes.

[Babayaro.]

Wasnt it top 5 of the series it said?

Well if it was, then that means nothing bc there's only 6 episodes :joker:

[Smithy]

Yeah wasn’t top 5, definitely the best opener though

[Babayaro.]

Jaime and Bran's reunion was my favourite moment

[Scarlett.]

I like how the start mirrored S1, with the King and Queen arriving in Winterfell, even had a little kid climbing a tree to see lol

[RileyH]

LOVED the episode :flutter:

Sansa's hatred of Dany made me scream

[RileyH]

That last scene with the kid scared the **** out of me

bye same nn

[user104658]

Wouldn't it be awesome if Dany turned on Jon due to him being the true heir and tried to kill him, but the dragons had recognised him as the senior Targeryan and ate her? :omgno:

[RileyH]

Wouldn't it be awesome if Dany turned on Jon due to him being the true heir and tried to kill him, but the dragons had recognised him as the senior Targeryan and ate her? :omgno:

no :omgno:

[user104658]

no :omgno:Sansa would laugh tho.

[Jordan.]

Sam asking Jon "would she do the same for you?" was foreshadowing a fallout, the MAD queen really is coming to toast them all

[Vicky.]

Wouldn't it be awesome if Dany turned on Jon due to him being the true heir and tried to kill him, but the dragons had recognised him as the senior Targeryan and ate her? :omgno:

Haha I would love this :D

I find her so whiny and arrogant.

[bots]

I think Sam is going to poke Danny in the eye with a sharp stick

[Smithy]

Sam asking Jon "would she do the same for you?" was foreshadowing a fallout, the MAD queen really is coming to toast them all

Girl quite clearly foreshadowing that Mother Daeresa is gonna end up giving her crown and her LIFE for these ungrateful northern scum!

[BBDodge]

Wouldn't it be awesome if Dany turned on Jon due to him being the true heir and tried to kill him, but the dragons had recognised him as the senior Targeryan and ate her? :omgno:

Eating their mother?

[user104658]

Girl quite clearly foreshadowing that Mother Daeresa is gonna end up giving her crown and her LIFE for these ungrateful northern scum!Yeah I think given the writing so fair, it's probably to make us doubt her and think that she'll go power mad and want the crown but she'll actually accept it and be like "fair enough" butttt then Jon will die taking out the Night King so it'll default back to Dany anyway for a Dany/Cersei showdown.

I'm convinced the Battle of Winterfell (ep3/4) will be the end of the white walkers.

[user104658]

Eating their mother?Well I mean... She thinks of herself as their mother; in theory, they see her more as a pack alpha and that's why they obey and protect her. If they recognise Jon as the true heir (and therefore the true alpha dragon) they'd turn on her in a second :worry:

[user104658]

Some potential foreshadowing to Dany snacks:

Sansa: "What do dragons eat?"

Dany: "Anything they want :smug: "

:omgno:

[bots]

nobody has yet voiced the possibility that given Jon's news, Danny may decide to retire to Yara's isle of peace and tranquility .... the GoT, lesbian equivalent to a convent.

[Smithy]

Jon didn’t even want to be king in the north, I don’t see why he would want to be king of the country

And further to that if people weren’t willing to accept Dany as the rightful queen because she was a Targaryen, why would they accept Jon?

[bots]

Jon didn’t even want to be king in the north, I don’t see why he would want to be king of the country

And further to that if people weren’t willing to accept Dany as the rightful queen because she was a Targaryen, why would they except Jon?

that's a very good point

[BBDodge]

Jon didn’t even want to be king in the north, I don’t see why he would want to be king of the country

And further to that if people weren’t willing to accept Dany as the rightful queen because she was a Targaryen, why would they except Jon?

If they don't want a Targaryen what options do they have? The Lannisters aren't too popular either and the Baratheons have no legitimate heir.

Will a new House take over?

[user104658]

Jon didn’t even want to be king in the north, I don’t see why he would want to be king of the country

And further to that if people weren’t willing to accept Dany as the rightful queen because she was a Targaryen, why would they accept Jon?The South would probably accept a Targaryen fine, they'd certainly consider her more legitimate than a Lannister, just that the Lannisters (well... Just Cersei now rly) wouldn't give up the throne without a fight. The people just go with the flow.

The North has never really accepted any of them but "sort of" accepted Baratheon rule due to the close alliance with the Starks.

Jon is legitimately still half Stark on his mother's side so... Stands the best chance of being accepted by both North and South. "Ice and Fire", Stark and Targaryen innit.

[DouglasS]

Gender should be king! The only Baratheon heir left (potentially even a child of Cersei and Robert)

[user104658]

Gender should be king! The only Baratheon heir left (potentially even a child of Cersei and Robert)He'd only be considered a legitimate heir if he is Cersei's... Bastards don't get a strong claim on the throne even if they're a direct descendant. That's why the information Sam found about the Targaryen-Stark "secret wedding" was so important, because it makes him a noble not a Targeryan bastard.

[Smithy]

How is Gendry a child of Cersei’s when they barely had sex and he said his mum was some Tavern wench :joker:

If they were going to deliver that as a twist there would have been hints to it beforehand

[user104658]

How is Gendry a child of Cersei’s when they barely had sex and he said his mum was some Tavern wench :joker:

If they were going to deliver that as a twist there would have been hints to it beforehandPeople have theorised it based on Cersei saying she had one dark haired child with Robert Baratheon who died at birth... The theory being that she just said it did and gave it away.

But yeah I think it's a bit too random to suddenly be thrown in at the last moment.

Baratheon claim is weaker than Targeryan anyway, the only reason they were on the throne was that all the Targs were dead or exiled. Hence Sam pointing out that Ned had to pretend to be Jon's father or else Robert would probably have had him killed due to his claim on the throne.

[Smithy]

The South would probably accept a Targaryen fine, they'd certainly consider her more legitimate than a Lannister, just that the Lannisters (well... Just Cersei now rly) wouldn't give up the throne without a fight. The people just go with the flow.

The North has never really accepted any of them but "sort of" accepted Baratheon rule due to the close alliance with the Starks.

Jon is legitimately still half Stark on his mother's side so... Stands the best chance of being accepted by both North and South. "Ice and Fire", Stark and Targaryen innit.

If the south would accept a Targaryen then they’d no doubt accept Daenerys and Jon would be her Warden of the North to please the northerns in a similar fashion.

Not that any of it matters seeing as they’ll both die but anyway

[Smithy]

People have theorised it based on Cersei saying she had one dark haired child with Robert Baratheon who died at birth... The theory being that she just said it did and gave it away.

But yeah I think it's a bit too random to suddenly be thrown in at the last moment.

Baratheon claim is weaker than Targeryan anyway, the only reason they were on the throne was that all the Targs were dead or exiled. Hence Sam pointing out that Ned had to pretend to be Jon's father or else Robert would probably have had him killed due to his claim on the throne.

Nnnnn died? More like she killed it!

[user104658]

Nnnnn died? More like she killed it!Well yeah I think the theory is that she asked someone to kill it and say it was stillborn but whoever she entrusted the deed to couldn't go through with it and secretly gave him to a random woman in King's Landing instead, and just told Cersei it was taken care of.

[bots]

People have theorised it based on Cersei saying she had one dark haired child with Robert Baratheon who died at birth... The theory being that she just said it did and gave it away.

But yeah I think it's a bit too random to suddenly be thrown in at the last moment.

Baratheon claim is weaker than Targeryan anyway, the only reason they were on the throne was that all the Targs were dead or exiled. Hence Sam pointing out that Ned had to pretend to be Jon's father or else Robert would probably have had him killed due to his claim on the throne.

the baratheons have no claim on the throne given that Robert's entire reason for taking the throne was a lie

[Daniel.]

I thought it was cute, but I was expecting more shocks from what I read. I mean where was the dark violemce? The child?

[Daniel.]

If the south would accept a Targaryen then they’d no doubt accept Daenerys and Jon would be her Warden of the North to please the northerns in a similar fashion.

Not that any of it matters seeing as they’ll both die but anyway

There’s no way both Daenaerys and Jon die

[arista]

I thought it was cute, but I was expecting more shocks from what I read. I mean where was the dark violemce? The child?


Yes clever ending,



Nice Big Cross Bow
a Hired Hit Man.

[BBDodge]

the baratheons have no claim on the throne given that Robert's entire reason for taking the throne was a lie

And they are now an extinct house. Only bastards.

Other extinct houses: Tyrell, Martell

Legitimate heads of remaining major houses:

Targaryen: now Aegon/Jon
Lannister: should be Jamie but big sis took the Crown
Stark: Bran (declined); Sansa
Tully: Edmure (still a prisoner?)
Arryn: Robert (a sickly child)
Greyjoy: Euron (likely to be deposed very soon)

[Smithy]

There’s no way both Daenaerys and Jon die

Girl there’s a huge chance it’ll happen

[Scarlett.]

And they are now an extinct house. Only bastards.

Other extinct houses: Tyrell, Martell

Legitimate heads of remaining major houses:

Targaryen: now Aegon/Jon
Lannister: should be Jamie but big sis took the Crown
Stark: Bran (declined); Sansa
Tully: Edmure (still a prisoner?)
Arryn: Robert (a sickly child)
Greyjoy: Euron (likely to be deposed very soon)

You can probably add House Umber to extinct houses too

[user104658]

You can probably add House Umber to extinct houses tooPretty sure Umber was a smaller / vassal house to House Stark anyway; there are a few of those to the larger houses like Mormont, Tarly, Karstarks, Clegane, Reed etc.

Houses like Tyrell, Tully, Martel, Baratheon and Frey were all major houses at the outset of season 1 that are now extinct.

Really the only major houses still in play are Stark, Lannister and Targaryen. Arryn and Greyjoy still exist but are effectively only tertiary players at this point.

[BBDodge]

Pretty sure Umber was a smaller / vassal house to House Stark anyway; there are a few of those to the larger houses like Mormont, Tarly, Karstarks, Clegane, Reed etc.

Houses like Tyrell, Tully, Martel, Baratheon and Frey were all major houses at the outset of season 1 that are now extinct.

Really the only major houses still in play are Stark, Lannister and Targaryen. Arryn and Greyjoy still exist but are effectively only tertiary players at this point.

Which leaves the claimants as:

Aegon/Jon
Dany (only if Jon dies again)
Bran (if he gives up that Three-Eyed Raven malarkey), otherwise
Sansa
Arya (if Sansa dies)
Cersei (clinging to power against the odds)
Jamie
Tyrion
outside bet: the Night King

No-one else seems to have any claim.

[user104658]

Bran, Sansa and Arya don't really have a claim as the Starks have never had a claim to the 7 kingdoms, only the North Indy "King / Queen in the North" title.

Tbh I can see it going that way with the North becoming independent, with Sansa declaring herself Queen in the North.

[Shaun]

I have decided Beric is in my top 5 current characters just because an eyepatch and a flaming sword are always cool (and also I liked Fortitude)

[Niamh.]

And they are now an extinct house. Only bastards.



Other extinct houses: Tyrell, Martell



Legitimate heads of remaining major houses:



Targaryen: now Aegon/Jon

Lannister: should be Jamie but big sis took the Crown

Stark: Bran (declined); Sansa

Tully: Edmure (still a prisoner?)

Arryn: Robert (a sickly child)

Greyjoy: Euron (likely to be deposed very soon)Shouldn't be Jaime, it was Bartheon not Lannister

[Mystic Mock]

You gon cringe

Oh great.:facepalm:

Thanks for telling me anyway, I guess I'm gonna have to try and tolerate it then.:laugh:

[Tom4784]

I definitely think that the White Walkers will be dealt with in the next two episodes or so. Cersei bringing in the Golden Company and bunkering down in Kings' Landing and waiting for the Night King to fall before she tries to wipe out the north in the aftermath.

I think we'd have seen King's Landing fall and/or Cersei become the Night Queen in Episode 1 if the White Walkers were going to be the big bad.

[Ninastar]

I don’t see them being dealt with in just a few eps... I feel like the build up of the white walkers, since literally the first ep means they will be the main fight until the end.

[BBDodge]

The White Walkers aren't the main story, the succession to the throne is.

So ep. 2 will be the preparation for battle, 3 is the big battle, 4 is the aftermath, 5 is the North vs. South battle and 6 wraps it all up with who's still alive, who pairs up with who, and who's left to claim the throne (and some weird stuff from Bran).

[Shaun]

I don't really see a massive army of undead just being dealt with in two episodes, frankly. But then to have a "nobody takes the throne because there is no throne", or "the Night King takes the throne" ending would also be rather disappointing.

[user104658]

I mean... The two options are that the White Walkers are defeated at Winterfell in episodes 3/4, OR Winterfell and The North fall in those episodes and if its the latter then I don't really know what the final two episodes would be about. Cersei vs White Walkers? Does anyone even want to see that? :think:

It only really makes sense if several major players are still going until the end, and that requires victory at Winterfell surely...

[Babayaro.]

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[Nicky91]

i liked the first ep, that tension between sansa, daenerys :laugh:

Sansa: what do dragons eat, anyway

Dany: whatever they want

:joker: :joker: :joker:

[bots]

For me there are a couple of possibilities. Either Bran takes the Night King out with some mind tricks ... remember the Night King touched Bran when he was in that mode, so the other way round should be possible too, or Arya takes out the Night King with little fingers dagger.

I think with the Night King gone, all his minions will shatter and turn to dust in 1 instant ..... job done. So there doesn't need to be an almighty battle, it can just be 1 single blow. The other alternative is that Danny takes him out with her dragons ... it has to be something like that :shrug:

[user104658]

For me there are a couple of possibilities. Either Bran takes the Night King out with some mind tricks ... remember the Night King touched Bran when he was in that mode, so the other way round should be possible too, or Arya takes out the Night King with little fingers dagger.

I think with the Night King gone, all his minions will shatter and turn to dust in 1 instant ..... job done. So there doesn't need to be an almighty battle, it can just be 1 single blow. The other alternative is that Danny takes him out with her dragons ... it has to be something like that :shrug:

My theory is that Jon and the Night King go Royal Rumble and have a prolonged fight but that Jon ultimately loses and is about to be killed by the Night King, and Dany is making her way to them and you think it'll be her that saves him, only for Arya (who has been stealthing her way around the battle taking out underlings) to pop up out of nowhere behind the Night King and stab him in the head... reminding Jon that it's the Starks who really have his back. That would be pretty epic :flutter:

[Babayaro.]

Who do we think will get the big "WTF :omgno:" death like Oberyn, for example?

[bots]

My theory is that Jon and the Night King go Royal Rumble and have a prolonged fight but that Jon ultimately loses and is about to be killed by the Night King, and Dany is making her way to them and you think it'll be her that saves him, only for Arya (who has been stealthing her way around the battle taking out underlings) to pop up out of nowhere behind the Night King and stab him in the head... reminding Jon that it's the Starks who really have his back. That would be pretty epic :flutter:

People that can take out the Night King because they have the correct weapons etc are:

Arya
Jon
Jamie (will he stab him in the back?)
brienne of tarth
Sam
The dragons
(maybe Bran)

Those are the only ones that can do the deed .... would be funny if Sam did it :laugh:

[bots]

Here is a point of continuity ......

Sam keeps saying that people should be reading books to find out how the Night King was defeated last time .... but surely Bran would know this?

[Smithy]

I don’t see them being dealt with in just a few eps... I feel like the build up of the white walkers, since literally the first ep means they will be the main fight until the end.

I don't really see a massive army of undead just being dealt with in two episodes, frankly. But then to have a "nobody takes the throne because there is no throne", or "the Night King takes the throne" ending would also be rather disappointing.

Same, imo it’s more likely that they lose the battle of winterfell and have to retreat, you can see in the original trailer that Jon and Dany are back at Dragonstone so it’s a case of who survives with them.

I think the last 3 eps will be almost a 3 way war

Also don’t think the night king wants/will end up on throne, there wouldn’t be a kingdom to rule if he won, he wants something, it’s just a case of what

[Niamh.]

Well, I have no doubt Dany is going to be pregnant, Jon and hers conversation about how she can't have children seemed to be foreshadowing that imo. Maybe their baby will end up being the Prince that was promised :think:

[Smithy]

Maybe their baby ends up a sacrifice to the night king :omgno: seeing as he was robbed of baby Sam when Gilly left

[Niamh.]

Oh gruesome :skull:

[Nicky91]

yes dany's baby, has potential to be ''the prince that was promised''

a possible Night Prince, son to the night king :D

[Vicky.]

OK yeah, have watched it now and am so let down. I suspect the coming episodes will be better, but this one..was so ****ing boring. Expecting it to be 'top 5 of all time' was silly of me, reviews tend to be bollocks. Its not even the best season opening, as Arya massacring the Freys takes that crown for me tbh

[Vicky.]

Also I don't really get how you can win against an army of dead in battle, because basically, everyone they kill will rise and be on their side now? Unless if you kill the main dude, the rest all die too or something.

[Nicky91]

OK yeah, have watched it now and am so let down. I suspect the coming episodes will be better, but this one..was so ****ing boring. Expecting it to be 'top 5 of all time' was silly of me, reviews tend to be bollocks. Its not even the best season opening, as Arya massacring the Freys takes that crown for me tbh

this first episode was nice enough, all remaining starks reunited, and also arya seeing the hound, gendry again, sansa - tyrion


i do think most of action will come in the upcoming episodes

[Niamh.]

Aw I really liked it Vicky, like Nicky said, the reunions were nice and it was always only going to be a set up the season type episode anyway, what else could the first episode be really?

[Daniel.]

Idk if I should bother making this its own thread, but how would you lot rank the seasons?

[Smithy]

Oh gruesome :skull:

Not like, in a Melisandre kind of way, but the same way Crastor handed them over

Something stopped them last time and it wasn’t because they lost the war, a deal was probably struck and it’s since been broken but people don’t even realize that

[Nicky91]

sooo the night king's armada consists out of

2 or 3 Giants, 1 dragon, many many soldiers commanded by their own generals

basically everything what has died beyond the wall, is part of that army of the dead now :D

[Daniel.]

4 > 3 > 6 > 7 > 2 > 1 > 5

Honestly 2 is really underrated by reddit etc

[Mystic Mock]

Who do we think will get the big "WTF :omgno:" death like Oberyn, for example?

I think that Daenerys will get killed at the end in a shocking manner, I've been thinking it since season 2 when I still liked her character so it's not wish fulfillment on my part.:laugh:

Anyway on the episode I'll start with the positives.

1. I really liked the scene with the kid at the end of the episode, the first time I think that GOT in it's entire run so far had me jump so the episode will stick out in a positive way for being a “first” to achieve a certain goal on the show.

2. Theon's couple of scenes with Olenna (I hope I've got her name right) were decent. Just sadly there wasn't enough of them.

3. Cersei looks like she's building up a revolting but interesting dynamic with that guy that wants an heir to the throne. I still think that Cersei is past her best years imo, but this could be her best season in awhile.

4. I'm interested in how Jaime will interact with Bran this season.


However I didn't really like the episode very much overall and if it wasn't the last season I'd be tuning out, a classic case of a programme becoming too popular and it now thinks that it can write any old crap it wants, and sadly going by the ratings keep going up they're right.

I miss the days when the show had consistently good writing for it's characters (even if you personally didn't like an individual character) they were actually given screentime and storylines and they had a direction. Now it's all about Jon Snow and all of the fan fiction bullcrap that he keeps getting and nobody else is getting a look in the episodes properly nowadays.

And I'm sorry but wtf! was that waterfall scene between Jon and Daenerys? Ninastar was definitely right in saying that I would cringe. It has to be one of the most cringy romance scenes to have ever existed away from a show that's not a Soap Opera or isn't called TWD or Gotham.

But in the next few episodes I do want to see more on the cardboard cutouts that used to get storylines in the first 5 seasons and just The Jon Snow Show.

[Niamh.]

Yarra is Theons sister Mock, Olenna was the Queen of Thorns who poisoned Joffery

[Daniel.]

Yarra is Theons sister Mock, Olenna was the Queen of Thorns who poisoned Joffery

Olenna was the best character for me

[Mystic Mock]

Idk if I should bother making this its own thread, but how would you lot rank the seasons?

1. Season 3 & 4 (I'm always torn on which season is better out of these two)
3. Season 1
4. Season 2
5. Season 6
6. Season 7
7. Season 5 (just because nothing really happened in that season)

Although I'm suspecting that season 8 will go at the bottom by the end of the season.

[Niamh.]

Olenna was the best character for me

She was pretty good, I liked her confession before dying aswell :hehe:

[bots]

i think people have hyped themselves into thinking GoT series 8 will be the best thing ever on TV and with time running out and the converging story lines, it has to be a different show to that of the first few seasons. I'm still thoroughly enjoying it, i don't see the point in criticising this or that, just enjoy the ride

[Daniel.]

1. Season 3 & 4 (I'm always torn on which season is better out of these two)
3. Season 1
4. Season 2
5. Season 6
6. Season 7
7. Season 5 (just because nothing really happened in that season)

Although I'm suspecting that season 8 will go at the bottom by the end of the season.

I think it will go to the top, SO much is going to happen

[Vicky.]

Aw I really liked it Vicky, like Nicky said, the reunions were nice and it was always only going to be a set up the season type episode anyway, what else could the first episode be really?

There could have been more bloody happening :laugh:

Maybe I expect too much of it because it has been fantastic in the past.

[Mystic Mock]

I think it will go to the top, SO much is going to happen

It all depends on if you can handle the whole show revolving around Jon Snow imo.

If you can do that then great, but for me I can tell that this is gonna be a horrible season for me as he dominated screentime more than he usually does in that first episode, truly horrible stuff.

[Niamh.]

There could have been more bloody happening :laugh:

Maybe I expect too much of it because it has been fantastic in the past.

It may have helped that I watched the last episode of S7 just before and that was really exciting so it felt like one episode maybe. I think for me though because I'd read all the books and it felt like the characters were never going to be reunited, especially the Stark kids, that finally happening was really satisfying, especially Arya and Jon

[Vicky.]

I hate all the focus on Jon/Danaerys. The 'romance' storylines alwasys piss me off.

[Daniel.]

It all depends on if you can handle the whole show revolving around Jon Snow imo.

If you can do that then great, but for me I can tell that this is gonna be a horrible season for me as he dominated screentime more than he usually does in that first episode, truly horrible stuff.

He's really not that bad a character :umm2:

[Niamh.]

It all depends on if you can handle the whole show revolving around Jon Snow imo.

If you can do that then great, but for me I can tell that this is gonna be a horrible season for me as he dominated screentime more than he usually does in that first episode, truly horrible stuff.

He was always going to be one of the main, if not the main one though Mock. I mean the books are literally named after him "A Song of Ice and Fire" Stark/targaryen

[Mystic Mock]

Yarra is Theons sister Mock, Olenna was the Queen of Thorns who poisoned Joffery

I just realised that.:blush:

My bad.:laugh:

[bots]

It may have helped that I watched the last episode of S7 just before and that was really exciting so it felt like one episode maybe. I think for me though because I'd read all the books and it felt like the characters were never going to be reunited, especially the Stark kids, that finally happening was really satisfying, especially Arya and Jon

the look between Jamie and bran took all of 30 seconds .... but it was a great moment and one that only means anything when all the previous series have soaked in.

I also thought the throw back at the beginning of the episode to the kings arrival in the first episode of series 1 complete with exactly the same music was a great piece of TV

[Niamh.]

the look between Jamie and bran took all of 30 seconds .... but it was a great moment and one that only means anything when all the previous series have soaked in.

I also thought the throw back at the beginning of the episode to the kings arrival in the first episode of series 1 complete with exactly the same music was a great piece of TV

Oh I know! I'd almost forgotten that it was jaime who did that to Bran, his character had taken such a turn from who he was in the first season. That's what's cool though that here they all are back where they started and all that's happened in between

[Mystic Mock]

He's really not that bad a character :umm2:

He is so boring and he has been a screenhog over the last few seasons imo which I don't like to see any character becoming a screenhog, especially on a show that used to pride itself on being an ensemble like GOT.

And as Vicky said, the romance stuff between him and Daenerys is terrible imo.

[Smithy]

There could have been more bloody happening :laugh:

Maybe I expect too much of it because it has been fantastic in the past.

But what else could have happened? :laugh:

I’ve seen a lot of people say the same thing, but if a lot of the stuff that happened in this episode didn’t happen (the reunions, the discussions re houses/feeding everyone etc) people would have complained that it wasn’t realistic and that stuff was being rushed

It seems like they can’t win :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

He was always going to be one of the main, if not the main one though Mock. I mean the books are literally named after him "A Song of Ice and Fire" Stark/targaryen

I get that.

But go back to the first 5 seasons and he didn't have as much screentime compared to what he gets nowadays, it's annoying, especially if your favourite is someone like Tyrion who has been put to the sidelines because of the over focus on Jon Snow.

[Smithy]

I get that.

But go back to the first 5 seasons and he didn't have as much screentime compared to what he gets nowadays, it's annoying, especially if your favourite is someone like Tyrion who has been put to the sidelines because of the over focus on Jon Snow.

There were more characters and more stories in the earlier seasons, plus the dead weren’t as much of a threat as they are now.

Can’t complain after one episode that someone is hogging all the screen time when there’s so few characters left and Jon is clearly a prominent player in stopping the dead

[Niamh.]

I get that.

But go back to the first 5 seasons and he didn't have as much screentime compared to what he gets nowadays, it's annoying, especially if your favourite is someone like Tyrion who has been put to the sidelines because of the over focus on Jon Snow.

Because it wasn't his time to come into the spotlight yet. Just like Bran was sidelined for most of the Seasons despite GRRM saying he's one of the most important characters in it, the end is where they're likely to shine, I think Tyrions highlights have come and gone already, he was more important earlier on but now it's the real main people who will finish it off....imo, that's always the way it seemed to be heading

[Daniel.]

Jon has always been a pretty huge character though? I would say he was the most central to season 1, Ned aside

[Vicky.]

But what else could have happened? :laugh:

I’ve seen a lot of people say the same thing, but if a lot of the stuff that happened in this episode didn’t happen (the reunions, the discussions re houses/feeding everyone etc) people would have complained that it wasn’t realistic and that stuff was being rushed

It seems like they can’t win :laugh:

Maybe..have already said I think I expect too much given the other episodes have pretty much all been great. I found this one a bit..flat.

[Smithy]

Maybe..have already said I think I expect too much given the other episodes have pretty much all been great. I found this one a bit..flat.

I think the only alternative could have been us seeing the dead take the Umbers castle or people fleeing etc, instead of the dragon ride, but then apart from that I feel like it you can’t really expect anything from a season opener as it has to lay the ground work for the rest of the season :laugh:

[bots]

jon and danny are clearly going to ride dragons while fighting the dead. As Jon had not been on a dragon before, they had to find some way of introducing that concept before the battle commenced. I thought it was all fine

[BBDodge]

Also I don't really get how you can win against an army of dead in battle, because basically, everyone they kill will rise and be on their side now? Unless if you kill the main dude, the rest all die too or something.

Well clearly the battle is going to be won when they do kill the main dude.

Might take 70 minutes of the episode to reach that point.

[BBDodge]

Maybe..have already said I think I expect too much given the other episodes have pretty much all been great. I found this one a bit..flat.

This is the first season opener not to have been scripted by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss. Next week's isn't either.

They've let staff writers Dave Hill and Bryan Cogman do the dull stuff of getting the cast together in the right places.

Then D & D write the last 4 feature length episodes where all the important stuff happens (according to GRRM's outline).

[Nicky91]

Olenna was the best character for me

Diana Rigg :love: :love:

who already was iconic for her role in The Avengers, a show my parents really liked

[Niamh.]

jon and danny are clearly going to ride dragons while fighting the dead. As Jon had not been on a dragon before, they had to find some way of introducing that concept before the battle commenced. I thought it was all fine

Yeah exactly

[bots]

Yeah exactly

also, i thought the waterfall scene was also a link back to jon and ygritte in the cave ... i thought it was quite clever with the woman dictating the terms on both occasions

[Niamh.]

also, i thought the waterfall scene was also a link back to jon and ygritte in the cave ... i thought it was quite clever with the woman dictating the terms on both occasions

Yeah that was the first thing I thought of aswell when I saw the waterfall. The whole episode was a nice throw back to earlier scenes/episodes

[Tom4784]

I don’t see them being dealt with in just a few eps... I feel like the build up of the white walkers, since literally the first ep means they will be the main fight until the end.

The problem with that though is that GoT lives and dies on it's characters and so to have the overall villain essentially be a silent CGI monster doesn't really strike me as correct. Plus why bring the Golden Company into it now if they aren't setting up for Cersei to march north once the battle is done to try to kill off Dani's army when they're recovering from the war against the white walkers?

I think if Cersei wasn't going to be the main villain of this series or, as I previously thought, she isn't going to become the Night Queen and speak for the white walkers to give them a strong character to add more depth to them, then they would have set up her downfall early or we'd have seen the Night King's dragon fly over King's Landing at the end of this episode.

I don't really see a massive army of undead just being dealt with in two episodes, frankly. But then to have a "nobody takes the throne because there is no throne", or "the Night King takes the throne" ending would also be rather disappointing.

Remember that they only need to kill the Night King and everything else he has raised will die with him, revenants and White Walkers alike. I can see them having a huge battle in Episode 3 and killing off the Night King there and then.

The White Walkers aren't the main story, the succession to the throne is.

So ep. 2 will be the preparation for battle, 3 is the big battle, 4 is the aftermath, 5 is the North vs. South battle and 6 wraps it all up with who's still alive, who pairs up with who, and who's left to claim the throne (and some weird stuff from Bran).

Yeah, I think this is how it's going to go down. The White Walkers is just a way to unite most of the cast against the villain and potentially de-power Dani a bit by removing a dragon (or likely two). I think Cersei's going to put Dani in a really bad position after they kill the Night King and the last three episodes will be Dani and the survivors trying to muster up an army to overthrow Cersei.

[bots]

I think it's all heading toward a north south battle too, and a part of that includes personal conflicts requiring resolution between the 2 knight brothers, and Cersi vs Sansa with Cersi still also being on Arya's list.

It's all a bit complicated, but i'm not quite sure where Jon or Dani fit in now. Dani for her armies probably, but Jon i think may be an episode 3 casualty.

[Niamh.]

I think it's all heading toward a north south battle too, and a part of that includes personal conflicts requiring resolution between the 2 knight brothers, and Cersi vs Sansa with Cersi still also being on Arya's list.

It's all a bit complicated, but i'm not quite sure where Jon or Dani fit in now. Dani for her armies probably, but Jon i think may be an episode 3 casualty.

I think either Jon or Dany could be a shock exit earlier on as you say with one of them having to sacrifice the other for the lightbringer sword to kill the knight king

Also, Cersei and the two brothers have their issues to sort as well, she's got a lot of potential killers but if the fortune tellers predictions come true (like they have done so far) then it will be one of her brothers that kills her or Arya wearing her brothers face

[user104658]

I think either Jon or Dany could be a shock exit earlier on as you say with one of them having to sacrifice the other for the lightbringer sword to kill the knight king

Also, Cersei and the two brothers have their issues to sort as well, she's got a lot of potential killers but if the fortune tellers predictions come true (like they have done so far) then it will be one of her brothers that kills her or Arya wearing her brothers faceArya in a Tyrion mask killing Cersei would be sort of amazing.

1) Because it would round off Ayra's list finally and

2) because it would mean that Cersei spent all those years believing Tyrion would kill her, only for it to not be either of her brothers at all, but a "flaw" in the fortune.

[The Slim Reaper]

Arya in a Tyrion mask killing Cersei would be sort of amazing.

1) Because it would round off Ayra's list finally and

2) because it would mean that Cersei spent all those years believing Tyrion would kill her, only for it to not be either of her brothers at all, but a "flaw" in the fortune.

I doubt Tyrion would get close, but in a Jamie mask...

[user104658]

That said, I do think the more. Likely "killed by brother" twist is that it will be Jaime who she never suspected for a second, always focussed on hating Tyrion.

[Daniel.]

Am I the only one who thinks they won't kill off most main characters? I can see al of Jon/Dany/Tyrion/Arya/Sansa surviving

[user104658]

I doubt Tyrion would get close, but in a Jamie mask...Well exactly, Tyrion couldn't get close but Arya could Solid Snake her way in, taking out guards quietly one by one, leaving Cersei to be like "Wtf how did you get in here Tyrion?"

[The Slim Reaper]

Am I the only one who thinks they won't kill off most main characters? I can see al of Jon/Dany/Tyrion/Arya/Sansa surviving

When GRRM first proposed the books to the publisher, only Jon, Arya, Sansa, and Tyrionn (i think) would make it to the end, obviously a lot could of happened since then but that was his initial plan.

No way Jon is killed imo, but everyone else is on the table.

[Niamh.]

I doubt Tyrion would get close, but in a Jamie mask...

Yeah was going to say plus her thinking that Jaime killed her would be worse for her than Tyrion

That said, I do think the more. Likely "killed by brother" twist is that it will be Jaime who she never suspected for a second, always focussed on hating Tyrion.

Yeah, she's technically older than Jaime aswell so both are "younger brothers"

[Niamh.]

When GRRM first proposed the books to the publisher, only Jon, Arya, Sansa, and Tyrionn (i think) would make it to the end, obviously a lot could of happened since then but that was his initial plan.

No way Jon is killed imo, but everyone else is on the table.

ah no spoilers I never heard that before

[Daniel.]

When GRRM first proposed the books to the publisher, only Jon, Arya, Sansa, and Tyrionn (i think) would make it to the end, obviously a lot could of happened since then but that was his initial plan.

No way Jon is killed imo, but everyone else is on the table.

Is the way the show is going to end exactly how the book is going to end?

[Smithy]

When GRRM first proposed the books to the publisher, only Jon, Arya, Sansa, and Tyrionn (i think) would make it to the end, obviously a lot could of happened since then but that was his initial plan.

No way Jon is killed imo, but everyone else is on the table.

It was Dany and Bran not Sansa

But then again in that original concept he had Arya and Tyrion fall in love so :joker:

[Niamh.]

Stop saying spoiler stuff ahhhh

[The Slim Reaper]

It was Dany and Bran not Sansa

But then again in that original concept he had Arya and Tyrion fall in love so :joker:


I think it was Jon and Arya

Stop saying spoiler stuff ahhhh

It's not spoilers as most of it has already been changed/is different.

[Smithy]

Stop saying spoiler stuff ahhhh
Girl this was the original plot

Sansa Stark, wed to Joffrey Baratheon, will bear him a son, the heir to the throne, and when the crunch comes she will choose her husband and child over her parents and siblings, a choice she will later bitterly rue. Tyrion Lannister, meanwhile, will befriend both Sansa and her sister Arya, while growing more and more disenchanted with his own family.

Robb will win several splendid victories, and maim Joffrey Baratheon on the battlefield, but in the end he will not be able to stand against Jaime and Tyrion Lannister and their allies. Robb Stark will die in battle, and Tyrion Lannister will besiege and burn Winterfell.

Stuff changes

I think it was Jon and Arya

It was, but it was also Dany, Bran and Tyrion too

[Niamh.]

So basically Jon and Arya are definitely surviving, spoilers

[bots]

i think some of them will make it to the end

[Smithy]

How is it spoilers when everything in his original book plot has changed :suspect: just because he originally envisioned them surviving (in 1993!!) doesn’t mean they are now

[Daniel.]

Why do people presume the big battle is the third episode by the way?

[Smithy]

Because they said episode 3 is the battle at winterfell :joker:

[Daniel.]

where

[The Slim Reaper]

Because they said episode 3 is the battle at winterfell :joker:

Yeah, but apart from that.

[bots]

I think if the Night King is defeated in episode 3 and Arya and Jamie are still alive that she will attempt to take out Jamie for what he did to Bran. So at that point Arya/Jamie will be gone .... by episode 4. The devil in me thinks that Brienne will actually do the deed and kill Jamie, protecting Arya

[Marsh.]

Smithy spoiling the show again? :bored:

[Smithy]

where

In interviews all over the world, go google it

[The Slim Reaper]

I think if the Night King is defeated in episode 3 and Arya and Jamie are still alive that she will attempt to take out Jamie for what he did to Bran. So at that point Arya/Jamie will be gone .... by episode 4

I think they'll end up at the Eerie in retreat at the end of E3. I think the impregnable mentions in earlier seasons about it were there for a reason.

[Smithy]

I think they'll end up at the Eerie in retreat at the end of E3. I think the impregnable mentions in earlier seasons about it were there for a reason.

You see in the trailer where they go back too

[The Slim Reaper]

You see in the trailer where they go back too

I missed that. 1st or 2nd trailer?

[Smithy]

I missed that. 1st or 2nd trailer?

First I think

[The Slim Reaper]

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[user104658]

I think if the Night King is defeated in episode 3 and Arya and Jamie are still alive that she will attempt to take out Jamie for what he did to Bran. So at that point Arya/Jamie will be gone .... by episode 4. The devil in me thinks that Brienne will actually do the deed and kill Jamie, protecting AryaNah, Jaime is clearly going to grovelling apologise to Bran and Bran will be like "Who gives a **** I'm a mystic tree now lol" and that will be that.

From the trailer for ep 2 at the end of ep 1 I reckon it'll be pretty clear that they accept Jaime as an ally by the end of the ep. They make out that Dany is all "you stabbed my father" but she'll clearly be like "he was out of control killing innocent people so... Good job bud."

Also Bronn will turn up to "kill Jaime and Tyrion" but then will be like "Alright lads heads up, your sister wants you both dead". And that'll make everyone cool with Jaime.

[BBDodge]

When GRRM first proposed the books to the publisher, only Jon, Arya, Sansa, and Tyrionn (i think) would make it to the end, obviously a lot could of happened since then but that was his initial plan.

No way Jon is killed imo, but everyone else is on the table.

But that pitch had a love triangle between Jon, Arya and Tyrion. That never happened.

Nor did badass Jamie take the iron throne after Joffrey.

https://www.hypable.com/george-r-r-martin-game-of-thrones-pitch-letter/

[user104658]

But that pitch had a love triangle between Jon, Arya and Tyrion. That never happened.


Honestly what a mess that storyline would have been :joker:.

[Tom4784]

I wouldn't say that that an outline of the plot from before GRRM even put pen to paper is particularly spoiler-ish. You can write out your outline but you'll rarely stick to it since you'll get new ideas and inspirations along the way.

The ending to my first book was planned to be completely different than what it ended up being because once I got to that ending, I was in a different place to where I was when I wrote the rough plan, lots of things ended up different, some characters that were meant to die lived, some that were meant to live ended up dying. I imagine such an outline wouldn't be so readily available if it reflected the ending that GRRM envisions today.

[user104658]

I wouldn't say that that an outline of the plot from before GRRM even put pen to paper is particularly spoiler-ish. You can write out your outline but you'll rarely stick to it since you'll get new ideas and inspirations along the way.

The ending to my first book was planned to be completely different than what it ended up being because once I got to that ending, I was in a different place to where I was when I wrote the rough plan, lots of things ended up different, some characters that were meant to die lived, some that were meant to live ended up dying. I imagine such an outline wouldn't be so readily available if it reflected the ending that GRRM envisions today.You "get to know" your characters too, they become living beings with real personalities instead of just an idea, I imagine especially if you're writing them for 20+ years, so for example when he wrote that Jon and Arya get together they were just vague ideas and then when they actually were written and fleshed out he might have tried to envision a romance plot and been like "Lol neither of them would be interested!"

[BBDodge]

Coolest guitars ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU15_LP_oiM&feature=youtu.be

[Tom4784]

You "get to know" your characters too, they become living beings with real personalities instead of just an idea, I imagine especially if you're writing them for 20+ years, so for example when he wrote that Jon and Arya get together they were just vague ideas and then when they actually were written and fleshed out he might have tried to envision a romance plot and been like "Lol neither of them would be interested!"

Exactly, I'm guessing back in those days, Arya probably wasn't anything like she was now if GRRM intended her to be a love interest but as he wrote the books he probably realised that there was more value in taking her down the path she's on now.

When you write, characters are living creatures within your head, they become more indepth as they live on because you'll start thinking of little things that add a lot to their personality and motivations and such. I'd assume that the only character who probably resembles anything like the original outline is Jon.

[Scarlett.]

I'm thinking a small token force of White Walkers will show up at Winterfell, and the rest will march on Kings Landing

[user104658]

I'm thinking a small token force of White Walkers will show up at Winterfell, and the rest will march on Kings Landing

But ep 3 (Battle of Winterfell) has been described as being "the biggest, longest and most ambitious battle sequence ever filmed for TV or possibly ever filmed full stop" :think:.

Which is another reason that I think episode 3 (maybe 4) will be the end of the White Walkers. It doesn't really make sense for it to be the huge, major battle but then there be another, smaller battle as the climactic one... it suggests that it's the battle to end all battles and the rest will be more personal / political.

Although it could also mean that the White Walkers win at Winterfell and their eventual demise is a small group assassinating the Night King in a later episode, I guess.

[Scarlett.]

But ep 3 (Battle of Winterfell) has been described as being "the biggest, longest and most ambitious battle sequence ever filmed for TV or possibly ever filmed full stop" :think:.

Which is another reason that I think episode 3 (maybe 4) will be the end of the White Walkers. It doesn't really make sense for it to be the huge, major battle but then there be another, smaller battle as the climactic one... it suggests that it's the battle to end all battles and the rest will be more personal / political.

Although it could also mean that the White Walkers win at Winterfell and their eventual demise is a small group assassinating the Night King in a later episode, I guess.

Given how numerous the White Walkers are, it could still be a really big battle, I think a lot of people are forgetting this from S2
https://media.giphy.com/media/AWFlhQgGa57fa/giphy.gif

[Niamh.]

Oh just rewatched that scene Dia. hhmm

[MTVN]

What's happening there :suspect:

[Niamh.]

What's happening there :suspect:

It's a scene from when Dany went to the house of the Undying and she saw numerous visions, another I think was Rhaegar and a baby (that was probably Jon). here's the scene that Dia posted from :

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[Vicky.]

Haha, so glad he dropped the Jon/Arya thing that would have been weird. Too much incest already, he seems obsessed with it! Obviously it wouldn't be as bad as twins shagging but its still family members which is..a bit gross :laugh:

I really don't think Jon will survive, fairly sure he will sacrifice himself to save Dany/the baby. Once the whitewalkers have decimated the North, Cersei will attack, I think both of Danys dragons will perish too tbh..

[BBDodge]

Yes, Jon's already dead. He's freed himself from the Night's Watch and done loads of heroic deeds but maybe he'll end up dead again.

The prophecy was for Cersei to be succeeded by "another, younger, more beautiful", and though that could apply to Jon/Aegon it's more likely Dany or Sansa.

[RileyH]

the ep2 trailer looks SO GOOD ahhhh

[Smithy]

I’m SURE in one of the books (probably the second one) one of the characters says that with Dragons being born again it’s brought magic back to the world and that is what has helped the walkers come back.

I have a feeling that for the whites to be completely destroyed the dragons will need to die too :bawling:

[Smithy]

Yes, Jon's already dead. He's freed himself from the Night's Watch and done loads of heroic deeds but maybe he'll end up dead again.

The prophecy was for Cersei to be succeeded by "another, younger, more beautiful", and though that could apply to Jon/Aegon it's more likely Dany or Sansa.

It was a younger more beautiful queen though :laugh:

[Niamh.]

I’m SURE in one of the books (probably the second one) one of the characters says that with Dragons being born again it’s brought magic back to the world and that is what has helped the walkers come back.

I have a feeling that for the whites to be completely destroyed the dragons will need to die too :bawling:

..............and without the Dragons Targaryens are ordinary like everyone else.........so then Jon would re-die? :think:

[Smithy]

..............and without the Dragons Targaryens are ordinary like everyone else.........so then Jon would re-die? :think:

The last few generations of targaryens were ordinary anyway :laugh: it’s only Dany that’s extraordinary and was able to give birth to a new generation of dragons :flutter:

I don’t know if Jon would redid though, he was resurrected by the lord of light, I’m not too sure how gods and magic work or if one relies on the other :joker:

[Niamh.]

The last few generations of targaryens were ordinary anyway :laugh: it’s only Dany that’s extraordinary and was able to give birth to a new generation of dragons :flutter:

I don’t know if Jon would redid though, he was resurrected by the lord of light, I’m not too sure how gods and magic work or if one relies on the other :joker:

I know, I was just quoting what she said in the last episode, the dragons were locked up and they grew small and died and without Dragons Targaryens are ordinary like everyone else, I wonder did her saying that have some bigger relevance for a later episode like Jon dying if the dragons did

[The Slim Reaper]

I’m SURE in one of the books (probably the second one) one of the characters says that with Dragons being born again it’s brought magic back to the world and that is what has helped the walkers come back.

I have a feeling that for the whites to be completely destroyed the dragons will need to die too :bawling:

https://i.imgur.com/V1iWHcj.jpg

Don't you ****ing dare, NK

[Babayaro.]

Although it could also mean that the White Walkers win at Winterfell and their eventual demise is a small group assassinating the Night King in a later episode, I guess.

This is what I hope happens.

[Nicky91]

it doesn't necessarily need to be a happy ending i guess


#TeamNightKing

[Brother Leon]

Cersei, Jon and Danny will all die (Not 100% on Jon yet) and Arya and Gendry will sit on the Throne, or what’s left of it anyway. If Jon survives then I think maybe he will give up his right to Sansa as she’s being built as the most reasonable leader at the moment.


Quote me.

[Epic.]

Had a dream the night the premiere aired that Sansa ended up on the iron throne, so bookmarking in case this is true :fc:

[bots]

The fact that Sansa is being favoured by so many of us now makes me think that it won't be her :fist::laugh:

edit: please don't quote me :bawling:

[Vicky.]

Noone will be on he iron throne, is my prediction.

I don't think Jon will die now, I did but now my theory is that he will be hailed the rightful king due to his heritage. And will basically say 'nah' and just 'rule' the north instead, besides Sansa (or might just let her have it as he seems to have no interest anyway)and basically each area has its own 'leader'.

My second thought is..Dany will kill Jon simply for the throne, as she seems to care about nothing else. And then her own dragon, the ice one, will eat her :D Poor baby though.

I would love to see Tyrion on the throne though. I kind of think in the books there is a fair bit to point to his dad not being his real dad..and the dragons are ok with him where they seem to only be ok with those with Targaeryn blood..

[Smithy]

Why do people think Dany would kill Jon when she literally went out of her way to save him, with zero obligation out of the goodness of her heart and lost one of her Dragons in the process

It doesn’t make sense!

[Vicky.]

Why do people think Dany would kill Jon when she literally went out of her way to save him, with zero obligation out of the goodness of her heart and lost one of her Dragons in the process

It doesn’t make sense!

She didn't know he was the 'true king' then, and she is so focussed on the throne, its a possibility to me :laugh:

[bots]

it's surely got to be someone that actually wants to be king/queen otherwise what is the point of the 8 series :laugh:

The only ones that want it are the 3 ladies, so its got to be one of them i think.

[Vicky.]

it's surely got to be someone that actually wants to be king/queen otherwise what is the point of the 8 series :laugh:

The only ones that want it are the 3 ladies, so its got to be one of them i think.

I think the point of it all is to show, so much death and such for something that is not needed at all. Theres no real reason that someone in Kings Landing 'rules' everyone else.

Mind, given the writer likes to do things that people do not expect, I wouldn't be too surprised if the 'white walkers' won and the night king took the throne :laugh: He can send his army of dead to fight everyone, meanwhile he is sneaking up behind Cersei :D

[BBDodge]

Why do people think Dany would kill Jon when she literally went out of her way to save him, with zero obligation out of the goodness of her heart and lost one of her Dragons in the process

It doesn’t make sense!

Yes, it's more likely he will decline the throne. Re-joining the Night's Watch would take him out of the line of succession, though I'm not sure what the Night's Watch would be watching for if the White Walkers are vanquished and the Wildlings already accepted as allies south of the wall.

[Smithy]

Episode had leaked

[Vicky.]

Episode had leaked

Ooh where, can you PM me the link? :laugh:

[Smithy]

I can but it’s in German :joker:

[Vicky.]

Oh for ****s sake :laugh:

[Brother Leon]

Show is in 8 hours. I can wait.

[Smithy]

Found an English link :D

[Daniel.]

Link pls

[user104658]

Yes, it's more likely he will decline the throne. Re-joining the Night's Watch would take him out of the line of succession, though I'm not sure what the Night's Watch would be watching for if the White Walkers are vanquished and the Wildlings already accepted as allies south of the wall.Unless defeat g the white walkers just means the same sort of "defeat" as before... The wall is rebuilt and they get kicked back up north for another thousand years.

[Vicky.]

Found an English link :D

Send it please...

[The Slim Reaper]

Great episode, can't say too much until everyone has watched it but it's such a pain in the arse waiting another week for another episode.

[The Slim Reaper]

Send it please...

The links have been removed now. Do you use torrents?

[Glenn.]

I'm torrenting it. Is it good quality?

[The Slim Reaper]

Have a link if anyone still needs it.

[bots]

in the voice of Arista, i prefer to wait and watch in HD :laugh:

[Glenn.]

I just watched a little bit of it. Mainly the end of the ep. Gonna wait til tonight

[Epic.]

I also have the link in case the other one doesn't work for people

[Daniel.]

PLEASE

[Smithy]

Omg I’m low key gagged

The first 15 mins were great, the middle bit was a snooze but the last ten minutes had me SNATCHED

[Smithy]

Thoughts on the ep

Honestly it was kind of fillery, I get that they were trying to portray everyone just awaiting for their death, but the tone of the episode was too light to give off that kind of atmosphere so it didn’t work and I found myself getting bored

The Arya sex scene came out of nowhere, they’ve tried to force this Arya, Gendry thing and it’s just felt forced and eh didn’t like that

People saying the show is writing just to please Jon/Dany shippers can shut up now, can’t believe the horn rang just as it did BASTARDS, her face, she was FUMIN :omgno:

Loved the scene with dany and Sansa till she opened her mouth and basically demanded the north be freed :omgno:

I think they could have done a lot more with the episode tbh, it was 20 minutes of daytime and then half an hour of literally waiting :worry:

So yeah, not great imo, but next week will make up for it anyway so :shrug:

[Smithy]

Oh ALSO based on what some of the characters said, some predictions


Brienne will die
Jamie will die
Tyrion will die and end up killing Cersei as a walker

[The Slim Reaper]

The thing that's baffled me the most after the 2nd episode, is that the NK wasn't supposed to be the archetypal good vs evil villain, but then Bran said "yeah, he just wants to kill everyone, lol". There has to be more to it than that, so maybe when he turns up to kill Bran we'll get some more info in a vision or something.

R.I.P Theon.

[Smithy]

The thing that's baffled me the most after the 2nd episode, is that the NK wasn't supposed to be the archetypal good vs evil villain, but then Bran said "yeah, he just wants to kill everyone, lol". There has to be more to it than that, so maybe when he turns up to kill Bran we'll get some more info in a vision or something.

R.I.P Theon.
My theory

in the original Great War against the walkers there’s no way the first men would have stopped them, so some agreement must have been made, presumably involving sacrifice to them (via Craster or whatever) over time that deal has been forgotten and broken and now they’re marching to kill everyone because the deal was broken. The NK only started collecting an army and marching AFTER Sam and Gilly escaped with the baby, before that the only time the white walkers killed was probably when wildling encroached on their territory

[Epic.]

Not fully certain but apparently episode 3's synopsis was leaked but has now been immediately taken down :skull:

[Epic.]

This is becoming a mess

[The Slim Reaper]

My theory

in the original Great War against the walkers there’s no way the first men would have stopped them, so some agreement must have been made, presumably involving sacrifice to them (via Craster or whatever) over time that deal has been forgotten and broken and now they’re marching to kill everyone because the deal was broken. The NK only started collecting an army and marching AFTER Sam and Gilly escaped with the baby, before that the only time the white walkers killed was probably when wildling encroached on their territory

I think you're right about the sacrifice to the walkers part and the fact a deal must have been made, but even in s01e01 the walkers just massacred a load of folks and put them in the CotF spiral pattern, which is more than encroaching on their territory - that's a message (possibly about the ancient deal), but there's a big chunk missing out there that Bran has to fill out with a vision otherwise it just makes no sense, and would betray GRRM's stated intention towards it not purely being a stereotypical GvE story.

[The Slim Reaper]

Oh ALSO based on what some of the characters said, some predictions


Brienne will die
Jamie will die
Tyrion will die and end up killing Cersei as a walker


I think Jamie might die actually killing the NK or saving someone from being killed by him. When Bran first became the 3ER, his first vision had Jamie in there so I think he has more to do than fight and die.

If you go back to the first trailer that showed Tyrion in a warm climate looking over a bit of a wasteland, which suggests to me he's back in KL, possibly after blowing everyone up with wildfire to stop them joining the AoTD.

[Vicky.]

OK managed to load the link before it was blocked.

First half hour was crap IMO. Except the chat with Danerys and Sansa.

The Arya sex scene was just..wrong and forced. Probably just shoved in there for shippers of those two tbh.

As for Jamie..I think hes going to nearly die, but Brienne saves him and dies herself. Then possibly Jamie takes up her vow to protect the Starks no matter what...not too sure on that one though, might be Jamie dying for her, but surely going to be one of those.

I also think the white walkers are only 'invading' as the deal was broken. They will possibly be coming for both Bran, and the baby that was 'stolen' from them.

I am still sure Dany will kill Jon at some stage, or betray him in such a way that he gets killed, or at least try to. The hate in her eyes when she clicked on that he had a stronger claim to the throne than her, and how she tried to make out it was lies...yup. Don't care what people say, all she cares about is the iron throne. Shes only fighting 'Jons war' because basically, the white walkers would also destroy kings landing so there would be no throne to be obsessed with!

I want episode 3 to leak..its obviously going to be amazing!

[Jordan.]

They really said have an episode of team building x

https://66.media.tumblr.com/9edf149c8379fcac6b4a683919c11070/tumblr_pkbxlq3ZVj1wsya48_540.gif

I am still sure Dany will kill Jon at some stage, or betray him in such a way that he gets killed, or at least try to. The hate in her eyes when she clicked on that he had a stronger claim to the throne than her, and how she tried to make out it was lies...yup. Don't care what people say, all she cares about is the iron throne. Shes only fighting 'Jons war' because basically, the white walkers would also destroy kings landing so there would be no throne to be obsessed with!

I could see him getting into trouble in the battle and her being hesitant to save him but I still think/hope she eventually would if it came to it :worry:

[Epic.]

Okay finished the episode about an hour or so ago

I actually preferred it to the premiere slightly. It may have just been a prep episode but there were a few funny moments from the likes of Tormund and Tyrion/Podrick. It was also more important than it's getting credit for, Daenerys realising she's related to Jon and being less disgusted at the revelation and moreso pissed off that he might steal her title from the throne was a real eye opener lol.

Having watched the two episodes, I also can't see Daenerys and Sansa both making it out alive. They had this convo where Sansa realised Daenerys cared less about the North and more about herself, and considering how Sansa's dealt with selfish enemies at this point, I can see her having to turn on Daenerys before it's too late.

[Glenn.]

I caved and watched it .
I don’t like how they’re taking Dany’s down this path. She’s turning into a bitch and tbh it’s not good on her. I hope they bring the old Dany back and she does the right thing.
I’m absolutely LOVING Sansa and her don’t give two ****s attitude.

The Ayra and Gendry thing was completely unnecessary so they can keep it!

Podrick singing was beautiful the way it was overlaid with the battle preparations.

Although it was a filler episode I think it was necessary because let’s be honest it’s gonna be an epic next episode then has to be topped by the final three episodes.

[Ninastar]

One of my fave eps so far... Omfg

[Brother Leon]

Oh ALSO based on what some of the characters said, some predictions


Brienne will die
Jamie will die
Tyrion will die and end up killing Cersei as a walker


Replace Tyrion dying with Greyworm and Theron.

[Brother Leon]

I liked the episode. It’s basically the final time these will all be alive together. Next week will be mental.

[Shaun]

I liked this episode a lot.

The scenes with pretty much all of the best second-characters chilling and having a drink and talking about giant's titties was amazing, only needed Varys to be a collection of my faves.

That little girl coming up to the kitchen as Davos was serving, and him visibly being reminded so strongly of Shireen :( :( :(
Tormund's #wokeness and feminism leading to Brienne being on the verge of tears over being knighted :( :( :(
The inevitable end of Greyworm/Missandei :( :( :(

Predictions for the next episode based on throwaway lines:
Definite deaths
- Greyworm (I mean, come on)
- Podrick (Brienne commenting on him "not being ready yet" or words to that effect, and getting a lovely song before the battle)
- Edd Tollett (literally commented about being burned so he can't join the Wights)

I would bet on these dying too
- Sam Tarly - has now surely served his plot purpose of finding out about Jon=Aegon, and will die with the Watch.
- Ser Jorah Mormont - I know the greyscale hasn't really come into play at all since his escape from prison or whatever, but him receiving Sam's sword and vowing to "wield it with honour" was very foreboding I feel :( unless there's some miraculous plot-point about the Wights all just contracting the disease immediately and disintegrate
- Gendry - he's made Arya a weapon and taken her virginity, and who cares about Robert's illegitimate son any more? :(
- Beric Dondarrion - is a flaming sword or the Lord of Light really that important to the storyline any more? I'm not sure.
- Theon Greyjoy - he's got his little bit of honour, now can probably die (and hopefully soon before they try and make him/Sansa a thing)

My bet on the first BIG death: I would go for Tyrion. I don't know if what someone mentioned about a trailer showing him on "some shores" is true or not, I didn't watch any previews or trailers or w/e, so maybe he does survive, but I just fear he's not so crucial to the plot now that Daenerys is showing signs of being power-mad and a bit of a bellend, really. Whether he dies in battle, or is killed by Dany for trying to talk about Jon, I don't know. Then again, him being the one to joke about "I think we might live" might be a bit on the nose if he dies next episode :laugh:

[Shaun]

I also don't really think the show would be so glib as to literally zombify a main cast-member and have them murder someone as a Wight version of themselves, so this whole "ZombieJaime kills Cersei????" thing needs to be nipped in the bud pronto. Are wights even conscious of their past selves and old grudges/scores that need to be settled? It's very fanficky.

[bots]

I thoroughly enjoyed it again. The story of the episode definitely went to Tormund :laugh:

[bots]

Unless there is some big change, the majority will die next week. I think Dani or Jon will be the first "major" casualties. I can see greyworm dying in a last ditch effort to save Dani. I just can't see them both surviving past the next episode

[Smithy]

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I’m SHAKING

[BBDodge]

Lots of good stuff in what was basically a scene setter for the battle ahead. Not sure Jon's timing was great.

[BBDodge]

I thoroughly enjoyed it again. The story of the episode definitely went to Tormund :laugh:

Alas, I think it will be his last hurrah.

Whether Jamie and Brienne can have a happy ending I'm not so sure.

[BBDodge]

Unless there is some big change, the majority will die next week. I think Dani or Jon will be the first "major" casualties. I can see greyworm dying in a last ditch effort to save Dani. I just can't see them both surviving past the next episode

I don't think a "majority" will die but we may lose a few regulars (but maybe only 1 of the big stars). If Bran is used as bait will he sacrifice himself for the greater good?

[Smithy]

Bran won’t die, they made it evident that episode that he’s far too important, maybe Arya?

[bots]

i think this will be the biggest slaughter of the 8 series, if there are more than a handful of main characters still standing, i will be surprised

[BBDodge]

Oh ALSO based on what some of the characters said, some predictions


Brienne will die
Jamie will die
Tyrion will die and end up killing Cersei as a walker


Not sure if speculations need spoilers but anyway:

The Night King is going to die next week so there will be no more walkers.

Tyrion will have to kill his sister as a living human (though I think it will be Jamie becoming the Queenslayer).

[BBDodge]

Bran won’t die, they made it evident that episode that he’s far too important, maybe Arya?

We'll almost certainly lose another Stark or two.

If they follow the direwolves:

Robb's direwolf dead, as is he
Rickon's direwolf dead, as is he
Jon's direwolf still alive, as is he
Arya's direwolf still alive, as is she

Bran & Sansa's direwolves are long gone. Time for them both to follow?

[Smithy]

Not sure if speculations need spoilers but anyway:

The Night King is going to die next week so there will be no more walkers.

Tyrion will have to kill his sister as a living human (though I think it will be Jamie becoming the Queenslayer).

I don’t think the NK will die, they’ve pretty much built him up for 7 seasons, I don’t think it’ll be as easy as killing him in one episode

[bots]

Amazon has apologised after an episode of Game of Thrones was uploaded early.

The second instalment of the eighth and final series was not supposed to be broadcast until Sunday evening.

But, due to a technical error, some Amazon Prime members were able to access it several hours before that.

"We regret that for a short time Amazon customers in Germany were able to access episode two of season eight of Game of Thrones," an Amazon spokesman said.

"This was an error and has been rectified."

It may have been taken down soon after it was uploaded, but it was long enough for many fans to view the whole episode.

[BBDodge]

I don’t think the NK will die, they’ve pretty much built him up for 7 seasons, I don’t think it’ll be as easy as killing him in one episode

They've also set up the kill-the-Night-King-and-you-kill-his-army plotline.

It's Winterfell's main strategy for the win.

The battle against Cersei is the big one, the Walkers just an obstacle along the way.

[Smithy]

Amazon has apologised after an episode of Game of Thrones was uploaded early.

The second instalment of the eighth and final series was not supposed to be broadcast until Sunday evening.

But, due to a technical error, some Amazon Prime members were able to access it several hours before that.

"We regret that for a short time Amazon customers in Germany were able to access episode two of season eight of Game of Thrones," an Amazon spokesman said.

"This was an error and has been rectified."

It may have been taken down soon after it was uploaded, but it was long enough for many fans to view the whole episode.
The link I watched had been watched 300,000 times in the two hours after the leak :joker:
They've also set up the kill-the-Night-King-and-you-kill-his-army plotline.

It's Winterfell's main strategy for the win.

The battle against Cersei is the big one, the Walkers just an obstacle along the way.

It’s the other way round, the dead are the main enemey that’s literally been the point of the show for the last 7 seasons

[BBDodge]

The link I watched had been watched 300,000 times in the two hours after the leak :joker:


It’s the other way round, the dead are the main enemey that’s literally been the point of the show for the last 7 seasons

The dead are not characters. Dramatically they have little value. Just boogeymen.

The "Game of Thrones" has always been about Targaryens, Lannisters and Starks.

[bots]

The dead are not characters. Dramatically they have little value. Just boogeymen.

The "Game of Thrones" has always been about Targaryens, Lannisters and Starks.

yeah, i agree, i think the night king will be gone next week, one way or another. I think the golden army will then defeat most of the remnants of the fighters in the north, but, because they have no loyalty, a daring raid into kings landing will decide the throne

[Vicky.]

I don’t like how they’re taking Dany’s down this path. She’s turning into a bitch and tbh it’s not good on her. I hope they bring the old Dany back and she does the right thing.


They have had her being an arrogant bitch for at least 3 series' now tbh. She had a slight reprieve when saying she would fight the dead and finally seemed to care about something other than the throne (though, the white walkers being killed gets her closer to the throne as if they take over she had no chance too..)but it still came with a bunch of 'bend the knee!!!' stuff. I loved her character for the first few series' but can't stand her now and hope shes one of the casualties. Her own dragon thats gone bad eating her would be my choice, tbh.

[Vicky.]

I also don't really think the show would be so glib as to literally zombify a main cast-member and have them murder someone as a Wight version of themselves, so this whole "ZombieJaime kills Cersei????" thing needs to be nipped in the bud pronto. Are wights even conscious of their past selves and old grudges/scores that need to be settled? It's very fanficky.

No. I think Arya will survive this battle and be the one to kill Cersei. Wearing Jaimes face so Cersei thinks its her brother and 'technically' it is but not. This does not necessarily mean Jaime has to die, as that Jacquen (**** knows how to spell his name!) used Aryas face on her when she was still alive..

[Smithy]

The dead are not characters. Dramatically they have little value. Just boogeymen.

The "Game of Thrones" has always been about Targaryens, Lannisters and Starks.

The book series is called A Song of Ice and Fire the overarching main story is about the dead (ice) and the living (fire) :shrug:

[BBDodge]

The book series is called A Song of Ice and Fire the overarching main story is about the dead (ice) and the living (fire) :shrug:

I take Ice and Fire to refer to the Starks and the Targaryens, with Jon being the link.

"Aegon. What better name for a king... He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire"

[Scarlett.]

They've also set up the kill-the-Night-King-and-you-kill-his-army plotline.

It's Winterfell's main strategy for the win.

The battle against Cersei is the big one, the Walkers just an obstacle along the way.

The first scene in the whole show, the first chapter in A Game of Thrones were about the same thing, the White Walkers. The Night King was born with Dragonglass, I'm not sure if he can be killed with it.

[Scarlett.]

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[Niamh.]

Bran won’t die, they made it evident that episode that he’s far too important, maybe Arya?Not Arya :oh:

[Epic.]

Theon's a goner

[Niamh.]

I take Ice and Fire to refer to the Starks and the Targaryens, with Jon being the link.



"Aegon. What better name for a king... He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire"Yeah same

[Epic.]

Tyrion and Jamie also surely survive the next episode,(?) they have to get to the plot of whether Bronn will turn on them

[bots]

Bri and/or Jamie will be toast too

[Smithy]

Not Arya :oh:

Who is left on her list? Cersei (either Jamie or Tyrion will end up killing her), the mountain (cleganbowl will end that) who else? :shrug:

I guess she may end up dying protecting Sansa, I think that’d be a good arc for her hmcharacter seeing as they hated each other to begin with

[Epic.]

Not Arya :oh:

I don't want to believe it or even think it's likely, but it's clear they've set Sansa up for her feuds with Daenerys and Cersei to reach breaking point, same with Jon vs Daenerys, and Bran's being protected by Theon and is hiding a lot of important information to save people, so it really does just leave Arya if they're planning to get rid of another Stark :(

Pretty sure they won't kill off both her and Gendry though, as I predict he'll die in the fight

[Epic.]

Arya dying in the third episode would be lowkey funny though in retrospect, purely because of Maisie Williams' April Fool's prank of Arya dying in the SECOND episode :laugh:

[bots]

given it's the last series, i'm not that bothered who dies when. Little finger remains my personal favourite demise :laugh:

[Scarlett.]

Who is left on her list? Cersei (either Jamie or Tyrion will end up killing her), the mountain (cleganbowl will end that) who else? :shrug:

I guess she may end up dying protecting Sansa, I think that’d be a good arc for her hmcharacter seeing as they hated each other to begin with

I can see Arya being one of the survivors, and eventually marrying Gendry, joining the Houses of Stark and Baratheon.

[Scarlett.]

Most noticable difference in the titles
https://i.redd.it/h10f6gh3cut21.jpg

[Smithy]

The main thing is we’re up for the same promotion and I’ve been working for it for my entire existence. This is my whole existence! Since birth

"Dany literally was brought into this world going: RUN! These ******ers [in Westeros] have ******ed everything up. Now it’s, 'You’re our only hope'. There’s so much she’s taken on in her duty in life to rectify.

There’s so much she’s seen and witnessed and been through and lost and suffered and hurt to get here… and Jon doesn’t even want it!"

Ugh see! This is why she is how she is! She’s not becoming the mad queen, or arrogant or anything like that! She’s just trying to help people

https://data.whicdn.com/images/283505373/original.jpg

[Vicky.]

I genuinely cannot wait for the next one, hopefully amazon come through and leak it earlier this week :laugh:

[DouglasS]

Killing Arya would be ridiculous next episode. They built up here training and braavos for two seasons. Shes only claimed Walker Frey and Littlefinger since returning

[Tom4784]

It was a pretty poor episode tbh, they could have kept the important scenes and developments and put an extra 15-20 minutes on the first episode to cover what happened here with little lost.

[Tom4784]

The White Walker threat's definitely ending in the next episode though, I think. There's too much drama in the battle for the throne for the white walkers to kick around all season. We'll get a huge spectacle of a battle in the next episode and then they'll shank the Night King, kill off his hordes and set the stage for a potential three way battle between what's left of the Starks, Dany's forces and Cersei.

[Vicky.]

The White Walker threat's definitely ending in the next episode though, I think. There's too much drama in the battle for the throne for the white walkers to kick around all season. We'll get a huge spectacle of a battle in the next episode and then they'll shank the Night King, kill off his hordes and set the stage for a potential three way battle between what's left of the Starks, Dany's forces and Cersei.

Well tbh, the only reason the walkers are kicking off is coz someone stole the baby sacrifice from them. I half expect a few deaths and a big fight, ending with the night king just going into the crypts, offing gilly and sam and taking what was promised to him, then leaving calmly, stepping over a few dead main characters on the way :laugh: I only just realised last night that they only started going mental when Gilly ran away with the baby :laugh:

OR, he kills Gilly, takes the baby not realising Sams down there, and Sam shoves dragonglass into his back, killing another walker and ending the war when he thought he went down there to run away. That would be mint :D

[Glenn.]

Well tbh, the only reason the walkers are kicking off is coz someone stole the baby sacrifice from them. I half expect a few deaths and a big fight, ending with the night king just going into the crypts, offing gilly and sam and taking what was promised to him, then leaving calmly, stepping over a few dead main characters on the way :laugh: I only just realised last night that they only started going mental when Gilly ran away with the baby :laugh:

OR, he kills Gilly, takes the baby not realising Sams down there, and Sam shoves dragonglass into his back, killing another walker and ending the war when he thought he went down there to run away. That would be mint :D

I can actually see this happening and I would be ok with that. But the kid has to die too. Would be the kind of thing to happen as it’s GoT and that’s what’s GoT does.

[Vicky.]

I can actually see this happening and I would be ok with that. But the kid has to die too. Would be the kind of thing to happen as it’s GoT and that’s what’s GoT does.

Its gaining more and more traction in my head the more I think of it tbh. This would explain why he seems to really have something against Jon, because Jon helped them escape with the kid. Bran doesn't really fit into this theory though. But Brans been useless all series so I am forgetting that (much like his character from s3 onwards) until we see the episode :laugh:

[Smithy]

If you can predict it, it’s not going to happen

[bots]

Something that confused me .... Bran said the night king had sent many 3 eyed raven to try and kill Bran already. I don't even remember 1 having a good poke at him and isn't he now the 3 eyed raven .... i know he is meant to be an enigma ..... but unless ive somehow blacked it out, i can't make sense of that at all