Coronavirus Outbreak : England Removed All Restrictions

[Mystic Mock]

Okay so it's not lethal to most people, but it has the potential to mutate is what I'm taking from that.

[bots]

it's just another omicron variant that people are trying to give a new name to in order to make it sound more dangerous :laugh:

Viruses always mutate and always will

[Mystic Mock]

it's just another omicron variant that people are trying to give a new name to in order to make it sound more dangerous :laugh:

Viruses always mutate and always will

That's a relief to some extent.:laugh:

[bots]

this new variant is crazily infectious though. The original wuhan variant had an R value of 1.5, this variant has an R value of about 20 and that, by definition, means that it is much less serious

[MTVN]

Peak China to go zero Covid for three years then allow a new variant to develop and suddenly open up to the world so that it can spread everywhere

[MTVN]

Although saying that apparently this variant originated in the US

[Crimson Dynamo]

The more vaccines you have had the more likely you are to get covid..

Rh7I7fKmzT0


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.17.22283625v1


Bivalent mRNA vaccine is moderately effective in preventing COVID-19

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20221222/Bivalent-mRNA-vaccine-is-moderately-effective-in-preventing-COVID-19.aspx

[Alf]

"Release the Kraken"


1610841938680217603

[arista]

Although saying that apparently this variant originated in the US


Yes the Smelly Ghetto of USA

[Crimson Dynamo]

c-tWZ54mtls

[Vanessa]

I'm not having any more vaccines.
Not even the flu one.
Three is enough.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm not having any more vaccines.
Not even the flu one.
Three is enough.

bang on right Ness

[bots]

flu admissions to hospital have dropped by 40% since christmas, covid admissions have also dropped

[arista]

I'm not having any more vaccines.
Not even the flu one.
Three is enough.


What,
even if another Covid Variant gets too strong?


Those Vaccinations only work for around 6 months
then the fade.

Hence, keep having them.
You have missed your 4rth booster

[bots]

getting a vaccine is very much related to personal level of risk. If you are fit and healthy then maybe getting vaccinated is not worth it, but if you are in any way vulnerable then vaccination is very much the way to go. There is no right or wrong in it. If you don't get vaccinated and end up struck down then it's on you as your personal choice

[arista]

getting a vaccine is very much related to personal level of risk. If you are fit and healthy then maybe getting vaccinated is not worth it, but if you are in any way vulnerable then vaccination is very much the way to go. There is no right or wrong in it. If you don't get vaccinated and end up struck down then it's on you as your personal choice



Yes risk for Vanessa as
she will use public transport.

In need of Protection.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The more vaccines you have had the more likely you are to get covid..

Rh7I7fKmzT0


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.17.22283625v1


Bivalent mRNA vaccine is moderately effective in preventing COVID-19

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20221222/Bivalent-mRNA-vaccine-is-moderately-effective-in-preventing-COVID-19.aspx

This video has now been censored :skull:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1612269499671252992?s=20&t=c6hImota5YvpgjD8JLNICw

[Zizu]

flu admissions to hospital have dropped by 40% since christmas, covid admissions have also dropped


I’ll be glad when we can buy off the shelf Flu medicines from the local shops / supermarkets !!

The last couple of times I’ve had to drive around just to find somewhere that has paracetamol or ibuprofen tablets !!


Good luck if you want LemSips / cold satchets or cough linctus !!


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[Zizu]

I’ll be glad when we can buy off the shelf Flu medicines from the local shops / supermarkets !!

The last couple of times I’ve had to drive around just to find somewhere that has paracetamol or ibuprofen tablets !!


Good luck if you want LemSips / cold satchets or cough linctus !!


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Our local Tesco is a fairly large one yet had zero paracetamol based products last night !!

No tablets , satchets or anything !!


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Our local Tesco is a fairly large one yet had zero paracetamol based products last night !!

No tablets , satchets or anything !!


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the power of advertising

[arista]

BBC Text: [There is hope for millions who have
long Covid after a major new study found
symptoms should disappear within
one year for most people after a mild infection.]

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[bots]

LT linking more and more dodgy sites as he disappears down the covid conspiracy worm hole

[MTVN]

BBC Text: [There is hope for millions who have
long Covid after a major new study found
symptoms should disappear within
one year for most people after a mild infection.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/17707/production/_128270069_i-nc.png.webp

That is good news but what happens if they get Covid again?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wonder if many of the "long covid" people were similar to the ones who got "ME"?

[user104658]

I don't know what the difference between "long Covid" and bog standard PVFS (with a side of some lung damage that takes a few months to recover for some) is... Post-viral fatigue isn't a new condition and has always been a risk after having a nasty bug.

I've mentioned before that I had a bug way back in I think 2017 that wasn't even that bad, but I had horrendous post-viral symptoms that went on for months.

And a Uni friend of mine took nearly 12 months to fully recover from the glandular fever he caught on Freshers Week. I used to like to knock his door in the early morning because for the first few hours every day his face was puffed up like a beach ball and I found it really funny, so it was a nice way to start the day. He looked like a chubby hamster :joker:... Ahh good times.

[arista]

That is good news but what happens if they get Covid again?


It could go back to another long covid,
again.


It appears they can no longer, smell
and have trouble eating some foods.

[Cherie]

It could go back to another long covid,
again.


It appears they can no longer, smell
and have trouble eating some foods.

That is a horrible side effect

[bots]

I don't think there is a simple answer to long covid. The original covid variant was a lower lung infection that also attacked other major organs. The long term effects after catching that could be horrendous. The omicron variant is an upper respiratory disease which is a completely different kettle of fish with long term effects likely to be much less severe.

The upshot is that this term, long covid, really cant be defined until we have had years of a more stable virus

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

The 8 Nations Numbers
Covid-19
Source : WHO
Over the Last 7 Days.

USA
415,000 Cases
3,922 Deaths

Japan
902,134 Cases
2,805 Deaths

South Korea
261,487 Cases
345 Deaths

Australia
191,750
742 Deaths

France
42,328 Cases
469 Deaths

Germany
73,651 Cases
76 Deaths

Italy
43,554 Cases
343 Deaths

Brazil
107,885 Cases
419 Deaths


Ref : WION HD Gravitas Pt 1 SkyHD 519

[Crimson Dynamo]

:shocked:

3.40 he absolutely loses it!

sidjKoHS6NE


also from 6.00 on these figures may shock you

[user104658]

:shocked:

3.40 he absolutely loses it!

sidjKoHS6NE


also from 6.00 on these figures may shock you

He's been losing it gradually for months LT :laugh:. As always some of his stats and figures are interesting, I broadly agree that it's time to put a pause on broad-scale vaccination, and yes the figures about the money are "shocking" but also not shocking or surprising at all for anyone who has any idea about Big Pharma.

I can listen to him when he talks stats - his background is as a researcher - but again on his righteous fury I have to advise caution for those confused by his title. He is NOT a medical doctor of any kind, nor does he have ANY expertise in virology or immunology.

He's not all the way down the rabbit hole but he certainly pops his head in for a peek at increasing intervals.

[Zizu]

This morning on the radio I heard that in the last 6 weeks a further 170,000 have died from Covid … presumably worldwide as it didn’t say .. they did add that Covid isn’t expected to be much of a threat after this year ..


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[user104658]

This morning on the radio I heard that in the last 6 weeks a further 170,000 have died from Covid … presumably worldwide as it didn’t say .. they did add that Covid isn’t expected to be much of a threat after this year ..


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Global figures would currently be meaningless because China, with something like 1/5 of the world's population, managed to suppress it for 3 years and are now getting hit with it like the rest of the world was back in 2020/early 2021.

[bots]

we need to hear the stats how many died from flu vs covid in the uk this winter, that would give us a sensible perspective

[Crimson Dynamo]

I can listen to him when he talks stats - his background is as a researcher - but again on his righteous fury I have to advise caution for those confused by his title. He is NOT a medical doctor of any kind, nor does he have ANY expertise in virology or immunology.

and the good thing about the man and the channel is the above people who he is not are more than welcome to challenge any specific points he makes and he then publishes and corrects (rarely happens)


:spin:

[user104658]

we need to hear the stats how many died from flu vs covid in the uk this winter, that would give us a sensible perspective

I doubt those stats fully exist to be honest, either way it'll mostly be the elderly and their cause of death will probably be along the lines of pneumonia, respiratory failure, heart failure etc.

You'd have to rely on secondary causes of death being accurately reported/recorded which TBH they just aren't usually. There are lots of questions when a young/fit/healthy person dies, but when a 85+ year old dies of any of the above that's just a normal "old age death".

[user104658]

and the good thing about the man and the channel is the above people who he is not are more than welcome to challenge any specific points he makes and he then publishes and corrects (rarely happens)


:spin:

Yes but he's started drawing or at least suggesting conclusions from the data he presents which he (originally, and rightly) always said wasn't where he was ever going to go with it. The videos have a clear slant to them these days, and are geared towards an audience that happens to have been attracted to his content. You even pointed out yourself that he "loses it" at one point. That's a judgement of the data, not an academic presentation of the data. It can only be.

[Alf]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes but he's started drawing or at least suggesting conclusions from the data he presents which he (originally, and rightly) always said wasn't where he was ever going to go with it. The videos have a clear slant to them these days, and are geared towards an audience that happens to have been attracted to his content. You even pointed out yourself that he "loses it" at one point. That's a judgement of the data, not an academic presentation of the data. It can only be.

show me an academic presentation of the data



that is the whole point

:skull:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1620032811607494656?s=20

[Crimson Dynamo]

Did you know The Army were deleting social media posts about Lockdown?

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[arista]

[Did you know The Army were deleting social media posts about Lockdown?]

Yes MOD
has that right

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1620794597235646464

[Crimson Dynamo]

NrbWNfsrMmg

[arista]

Australia is now offering the 5th Vaccine
for 18 and above.

Like the UK

Reported on WION HD Gravitas Part 1

[arista]

Patients in hospital (England Only)
Latest available
6,382

[117 of them Patients in ventilation beds]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nation&areaName=England


Meanwhile, in the USA they are going to stop
paying for Covid Tests.
The Public will have to buy them.

[bots]

Camilla, the Queen Consort, has tested positive for Covid, Buckingham Palace has announced.

She is said to be suffering cold symptoms and has cancelled her public engagements for the week.

The Queen Consort, aged 75, had already pulled out of a planned visit to the West Midlands on Tuesday.

She has previously had Covid and is understood to be fully vaccinated and is said to be resting and in "good spirits".

Royal sources say there are no changes planned for the King's engagements this week.

Buckingham Palace had initially said that the Queen Consort was cancelling a trip because of a "seasonal illness", but she has subsequently tested positive for Covid.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Camilla, the Queen Consort, has tested positive for Covid, Buckingham Palace has announced.

She is said to be suffering cold symptoms and has cancelled her public engagements for the week.

The Queen Consort, aged 75, had already pulled out of a planned visit to the West Midlands on Tuesday.

She has previously had Covid and is understood to be fully vaccinated and is said to be resting and in "good spirits".

Royal sources say there are no changes planned for the King's engagements this week.

Buckingham Palace had initially said that the Queen Consort was cancelling a trip because of a "seasonal illness", but she has subsequently tested positive for Covid.

why on earth are they testing for covid? :joker:

mental

[Crimson Dynamo]

The vile WHO at it again

disgusting

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[Alf]

1630675980636286977

[arista]

SkyNews Text :The Daily Telegraph
has an analysis of 100,000 leaked texts,
which it alleges shows that Matt Hancock
rejected expert advice on care home testing
when he was health secretary during
the worst of the COVID-19 pandemic.

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-1b9ede18-4294-4a71-9430-5b9f14c82e8a.jpeg

[Cherie]

He should be behind bars

[Zizu]

SkyNews Text :The Daily Telegraph
has an analysis of 100,000 leaked texts,
which it alleges shows that Matt Hancock
rejected expert advice on care home testing
when he was health secretary during
the worst of the COVID-19 pandemic.

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-1b9ede18-4294-4a71-9430-5b9f14c82e8a.jpeg


If they felt so strongly why didn’t the ‘expert/s’ just go public ?

I wouldn’t have want that hanging over me for the rest of my life .. they could have even done it anonymously

Where there’s a will there’s a way ..

That’s why I will never forgive people like Esther Rancid and Janet Street -Cleaner as regards the J Savile scandal

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[Cherie]

If they felt so strongly why didn’t the ‘expert/s’ just go public ?

I wouldn’t have want that hanging over me for the rest of my life .. they could have even done it anonymously

Where there’s a will there’s a way ..

That’s why I will never forgive people like Esther Rancid and Janet Street -Cleaner as regards the J Savile scandal

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Good point Zizu

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Isabel Oakeshott will be live with Piers at 8pm tonight on Talk TV

should be very interesting indeed

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[arista]

Yes more Leaks
to come out tomorrow

[Cherie]

Apparently Hancock gave her his whatsapp to help her write his book and she has released them to the press :omgno:

I honestly believe that as I think he is very naive

[Zizu]

Sky News reporting that the FBI have confirmed that Covid 19 did indeed originate from that Chinese Lab !!

Everyone registered as contracting that damm virus should get a substantial compensation pay out .. I get two as the second bout flattened me !

Seriously though the lab / China should be held accountable for the sheer horror they inflicted on everyone else


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[Mystic Mock]

Sky News reporting that the FBI have confirmed that Covid 19 did indeed originate from that Chinese Lab !!

Everyone registered as contracting that damm virus should get a substantial compensation pay out .. I get two as the second bout flattened me !

Seriously though the lab / China should be held accountable for the sheer horror they inflicted on everyone else


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We're all shocked that it came from the lab.

[Zizu]

We're all shocked that it came from the lab.


Sarcasm ?


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[GoldHeart]

We're all shocked that it came from the lab.

Yeah who would have thought it :rolleyes:

[Zizu]

Yeah who would have thought it :rolleyes:


It was reported about a year ago of course but it’s nice to get the rubber stamp from the FBI also there are still many who believe it came from animal markets


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[bots]

Apparently Hancock gave her his whatsapp to help her write his book and she has released them to the press :omgno:

I honestly believe that as I think he is very naive


She is an anti-lock down fanatic, so she will be making stuff available that suits her agenda

[Crimson Dynamo]

She is an anti-lock down fanatic, so she will be making stuff available that suits her agenda

you mean she has been proven right with her attitudes to the lockdowns and these 100K messages will further prove her right

[Crimson Dynamo]

these revelations about the care homes now, if possible, makes Hancock's decision to go to the jungle simply evil

[Zizu]

Hasn’t Hancock’s people released a statement earlier explaining the situation blaming that Oakshott woman for taking something out of context ?


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[GoldHeart]

It was reported about a year ago of course but it’s nice to get the rubber stamp from the FBI also there are still many who believe it came from animal markets


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Yeah it's just confirming what we already know , also i never trusted the Chinese government.... they're corrupt. And our government are no better, no surprises about Hancock's leaked whatsapp messages .

[Zizu]

Yeah it's just confirming what we already know , also i never trusted the Chinese government.... they're corrupt. And our government are no better, no surprises about Hancock's leaked whatsapp messages .


So the lab / country just get away with it ??

Seems bizarre


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[Mystic Mock]

Sarcasm ?


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Yes.

Not towards you though, but towards the press who are acting like this is new information, when we all knew that the Chinese Government were covering up the origin of the disease.

[bots]

Jacob Rees-Mogg has admitted a Covid-19 test for his son was couriered to his home during a national shortage.

He accepted it might be deemed "special treatment" but defended the arrangement due to his workload as a cabinet minister at the time.

WhatsApp messages leaked to the Telegraph appear to show former health secretary Matt Hancock's adviser helped send the test in September 2020.

The Telegraph has obtained more than 100,000 of Mr Hancock's messages.

The paper has published messages it says were sent on 10 September, 2020 by Allan Nixon, Mr Hancock's political special adviser at the time.

One suggests an initial test for one of Mr Rees-Mogg's children had been lost by the laboratory.

It goes on to say "we've got a courier going to their family home tonight, child will take the test, and courier will take it straight to the lab. Should have result tomorrow am".

Responding on his GB News chat show on Wednesday, Mr Rees-Mogg said "one of my children needed a test and that put everybody into quarantine".

[Zizu]

Yes.

Not towards you though, but towards the press who are acting like this is new information, when we all knew that the Chinese Government were covering up the origin of the disease.


:)


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[bots]

She is going to be in a bit of bother with Hancock as she signed an NDA

[Zizu]

She is going to be in a bit of bother with Hancock as she signed an NDA


It looks like a very complex situation and somehow appears to have made a huge mistake in judgment


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[arista]

She is going to be in a bit of bother with Hancock as she signed an NDA


She does not, appear to care about the NDA


They are saying because there is no Covid Enquiry
due to start.

The Telegraph will do it.

[arista]

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[Zizu]

She does not, appear to care about the NDA


They are saying because there is no Covid Enquiry
due to start.

The Telegraph will do it.


Presumably it doesn’t matter if she cares or not .. if it’s a legally binding document ??


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[arista]

Presumably it doesn’t matter if she cares or not .. if it’s a legally binding document ??


Get in Court

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2023/03/01/TELEMMGLPICT000327276149_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuu qpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.jpeg?imwidt h=1280

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2023/03/01/TELEMMGLPICT000327276149_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuu qpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.jpeg?imwidt h=1280

To which Mr Hancock replied: “😂😂🎯 "

[Crimson Dynamo]

Matt Hancock rejected the Chief Medical Officer’s advice to test for Covid all
residents going into English care homes, leaked messages seen by The
Telegraph reveal.

Prof Sir Chris Whitty told the then health secretary early in April 2020, about
a month into the pandemic, that there should be testing for “all going into
care homes”. But Mr Hancock did not follow that guidance, telling his
advisers that it “muddies the waters”.

Instead, he introduced guidance that made testing mandatory for those
entering care homes from hospital, but not for those coming from the
community. Prior to the guidance, care homes had been told that negative
tests were not required even for hospital patients. The guidance stating that
those coming in from the community should be tested was eventually
introduced on Aug 14.

Between April 17 and August 13, 2020, a total of 17,678 people died of Covid
in care homes in England.


DT

[Alf]

Jacob Rees-Mogg has admitted a Covid-19 test for his son was couriered to his home during a national shortage.

He accepted it might be deemed "special treatment" but defended the arrangement due to his workload as a cabinet minister at the time.

WhatsApp messages leaked to the Telegraph appear to show former health secretary Matt Hancock's adviser helped send the test in September 2020.

The Telegraph has obtained more than 100,000 of Mr Hancock's messages.

The paper has published messages it says were sent on 10 September, 2020 by Allan Nixon, Mr Hancock's political special adviser at the time.

One suggests an initial test for one of Mr Rees-Mogg's children had been lost by the laboratory.

It goes on to say "we've got a courier going to their family home tonight, child will take the test, and courier will take it straight to the lab. Should have result tomorrow am".

Responding on his GB News chat show on Wednesday, Mr Rees-Mogg said "one of my children needed a test and that put everybody into quarantine".I don't get the story here. Are they trying to make this look bad on Jacob?

Somebody brings a child a Covid test, isn't that a good thing?

I also had a Covid test couriered to me. Is that news worthy?

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

SIR – I was unable to read your reports on Covid rules for care homes and
hospitals, as I found them too distressing.

I knew at the time how inhumane these rules were. I was only allowed to see
my husband of 47 years twice during a four-week stay in hospital, and then
once during a nine-day stay in a care home, before he passed away.

I was invited to see him through a glass window in the care home, which I
found insulting. I refused. No consideration had been given to what a man
who was confused, and sometimes needed reminding who I was, might make
of a woman on the other side of the window smiling and waving at him. The
fact that many others had similar experiences does not make it easier.

Joyce Bellingham
Hassocks, West Sussex

SIR – I would like an apology from this Government. For labelling me a
“conspiracy theorist”, even though it now seems likely that Covid escaped
from a Chinese lab. For calling me a potential “granny killer”, when in truth
that title belongs elsewhere. For suggesting I was a “Covidiot”, while
ministers were locked in groupthink and focused on spin and headlines.

Above all, I’d like an apology from the Government for using the mechanisms
of the state to attempt to terrify me into submission.

An apology won’t bring back my businesses, or restore my child’s prospects,
but it would make a repeat of this disaster less likely.

Alexandra Seear
Derry Hill, Wiltshire

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/opinion/2023/03/01/TELEMMGLPICT000327251124_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqYbHyc_B zkV-wGdElElElaGLwwAZ6G-ra7g0YXL7D9jY.jpeg?imwidth=700

[joeysteele]

In my view and personally from me too I think Hancock an odious creep.
His deceit, lies and being totally false sickening.

His judgement has clearly been more disastrous than anything else.

However, how he must regret trusting a rotten snake like Isobel Oakeshott.
Why that horrible person gets any media attention at all has always been beyond me.
You cannot trust her or her word on near anything.
To have her helping him with his book was utter madness.

However he's betrayed the Nation while health secretary and he has his own family too.
So now he is getting a taste of what betrayal feels like.

Part of me feels sad for him that he felt he could trust Oakeshott.
On TV this morning Quentin Letts described her as a piranha in the bath.
If she was in the water with you, GET OUT QUICK.
Damn right he is as to that too.

[arista]

[Quentin Letts described her as a piranha in the bath.
If she was in the water with you, GET OUT QUICK.
Damn right he is as to that too.]


Yes, That was great
on GMBHD itv
6:35AM

[arista]

1631250334952697858

[joeysteele]

[Quentin Letts described her as a piranha in the bath.
If she was in the water with you, GET OUT QUICK.
Damn right he is as to that too.]


Yes, That was great
on GMBHD itv
6:35AM

It really was a great comment I agree.

[arista]

The Lockdown saved lives
in my view

Before the vaccine

[Crimson Dynamo]

1631250334952697858

typical of that awful bbc show presenter more interested in personal "gotchas" than the actual story

vile

[Cherie]

They say Hancock could be bankrupted if senior civil servants sue him for breach of confidentiality

[Crimson Dynamo]

S3vY2LyQn1A

[bots]

many of us on here at the time pointed out that they were making mask wearing compulsory when there was zero evidence that they worked. It was pretty obvious when they said make your own that it was a scam

[Mystic Mock]

many of us on here at the time pointed out that they were making mask wearing compulsory when there was zero evidence that they worked. It was pretty obvious when they said make your own that it was a scam

Didn't wearing the masks stop you from spreading Covid to other people though?

[bots]

Didn't wearing the masks stop you from spreading Covid to other people though?

Also, wear it to protect others should be seen as a red flag, because that conveniently means you have no possible method of verifying if it works or not

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

She is going to be in a bit of bother with Hancock as she signed an NDA


Wrong

She confirmed on a Long Debate on BBC
with Chris Mason.


She Confirmed no NDA was signed


Another 11 or 12 Front pages to go...........................


She also stated the Official Public Covid Enquiry has NO Deadline

[Mystic Mock]

Also, wear it to protect others should be seen as a red flag, because that conveniently means you have no possible method of verifying if it works or not

Fair point.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Britain’s second lockdown was based on ‘very wrong’ Covid data, Boris Johnson
feared

Boris Johnson was worried that he had “blinked too soon” in plunging Britain
into a second national lockdown on the basis of data that scientists had
warned him was “very wrong”.

The then prime minister made the observation on Nov 1, 2020 – a day after
he had announced a lockdown to come into force on Nov 4. Despite his fears,
the lockdown went ahead and lasted for a month.

In another exchange, he appeared to express a desire to lift the country out
of lockdown earlier than planned, but said his media advisers – Lee Cain and
James Slack – warned him that such a move was “too far ahead of public
opinion”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/02/boris-johnson-covid-lockdown-wrong-data-hancock/

top comment: What an absolute car crash. People with an anti lockdown view
at the time were called murderers, now we discover the then PM shared that
view. I’m so glad all this is coming out - the anti lockdown argument is now
being proved to be completely credible. None of it was based on science, and
the modelling was clearly wrong. And what people are forgetting is, we’ll be
paying the price, financially, economically, and mentally, for the next hundred
years, by which time there’ll be another pandemic, because that’s how they
tend to work !

[bots]

After congratulating the then education secretary Sir Gavin Williamson on delaying A-level exams for a few weeks - a shorter period than some teaching unions called for - Mr Hancock had some choice words.

On 1 October 2020, Mr Hancock messaged Sir Gavin: "Cracking announcement today. What a bunch of absolute arses the teaching unions are."

Sir Gavin replied: "I know they really really do just hate work."

In response, Mr Hancock returned two laughing out loud and a bullseye emoji

-----------------

Mr Hancock texted his old boss George Osborne, ex-chancellor and then-Evening Standard editor, on 28 April 2020 to "call in a favour" asking for a favourable front page, as he tried to reach his own deadline to reach 100,000 daily Covid tests.

Mr Osborne replied: "Yes - of course - all you need to do tomorrow is give some exclusive words to the Standard and I'll tell the team to splash it."

After replying with a quote, Hancock later writes in capital letters: "I WANT TO HIT MY TARGET!"

The editor answered bluntly: "I gathered."

In another interaction, on 9 November 2020 Mr Hancock asked for an explanation about Mr Osborne calling for Boris Johnson to make testing his number one priority and insisted: "OK but mass testing is going very well."

"No-one thinks testing is going well, Matt," Mr Osborne replied.


------------------------------------

Sir Gavin, messaging Mr Hancock, on 10 May 2020 ahead of schools reopening, asked for the health secretary's help in getting personal protective equipment (PPE) for schools "as a last resort so they can't use it as a reason not to open".

The education secretary texted: "All of them will [open] but some will just want to say they can't so they have an excuse to avoid having to teach, what joys!!!"

----------------------

Boris Johnson had misgivings about the government's shielding advice in discussions with the chief medical officer Prof Sir Chris Whitty. In August 2020 the then-prime minister suggested that if renewed lockdown restrictions were needed over-65s be offered a choice on shielding.

Mr Johnson, addressing Sir Chris in a WhatsApp group on 9 August, said: "If you are over 65 your risk of dying from Covid is probably as big as your risk of falling down stairs. And we don't stop older people from using stairs. What do you think?"

Sir Chris conceded that he "would think twice before shielding unless it threatened the NHS". Chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance replied: "We haven't found shielding easy or very effective first time round."

Only a few days previously, shielding had ended for more than two million clinically vulnerable people in England, Scotland and Wales. Since March 2020 they had been advised to stay at home to avoid contracting Covid. Shielding later returned.

------------------------------

Helen Whately, who was social care minister at the time, travelled 50 miles to a Covid test centre so a relative could be tested in September 2020, according to the Telegraph. There were restricted numbers of home testing kits and the public had to book a slot at a testing centre, where they could swab themselves and it would be sent to a laboratory.

Speaking of the experience on 19 September, she messaged Mr Hancock: "So my mystery shopping shows the system is definitely working, at least for some."

Mr Hancock enthusiastically replied "for MOST!", despite UK labs struggling to keep up with demand and people being asked to travel hundreds of miles to get tested.

---------------------------

One set of messages shows Boris Johnson getting in a muddle over statistics.

He flagged a Financial Times article stating the global case fatality rate had fallen below 0.04. Mr Johnson wanted to know why the British death rate appeared to be much higher at 4%.

Chief scientific officer Sir Patrick, chief medical officer Sir Chris, aide Dominic Cummings, Cabinet Secretary Simon Case and Mr Hancock all chipped in.

When Mr Vallance eventually pointed out the FT figure is a probability, not a percentage, the PM replied "Eh" followed by another message reading simply "?".

He offers "five marks" to whoever can explain the difference and asks them to "show working" - before Mr Cummings assures him it is a "common confusion".

In the same exchange, Mr Johnson says he "knows what I would prefer" if he was 80 and given a choice between exposure to Covid-19 and "destroying the economy".

[arista]

SkyNews Text:
[The latest from Matt Hancock's leaked
WhatsApp messages - Mr Hancock's battle with
Rishi Sunak over COVID rules is
Saturday's instalment.]

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[Cherie]

Some of these messages are insane ...

[Zizu]

I haven’t been following this closely at all because.. I don’t care … BUT if Hancock has given access to his personal WhatsApp to a journalist ( or anyone) then he’s not fit to hold ANY position of responsibility


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[bots]

what the messages show is that those mp's are not fit to be in government, it's really that simple

[arista]

I haven’t been following this closely at all because.. I don’t care … BUT if Hancock has given access to his personal WhatsApp to a journalist ( or anyone) then he’s not fit to hold ANY position of responsibility




But when he gave that Lady
his WhatsApp load,
it was for his book
Which is now Bollocks

As now
all the Telegraph Papers
are giving the Real Time Data Free
if you buy the paper.

[arista]

what the messages show is that those mp's are not fit to be in government, it's really that simple


They say at the time,
they were under pressure

As China's Covid was Killing millions
around the world



Of Course,
arresting a couple Ladies
on a Country Walk
was wrong
As they were in open country
not mixing on a tube train.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqUc55tWAAMRH6l?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqPbEs_X0AEAxLu?format=jpg&name=small

[Mystic Mock]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqPbEs_X0AEAxLu?format=jpg&name=small

:joker:

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/120E1/production/_128835937_968f6005-5221-495d-bb6a-643829580209.jpg.webp


Yes Matt
she can help you with your
pathetic book.

And NO
NDA
on those luscious WhatsApp messages


Life In The Fast Lane

[Cherie]

Sucker for a pretty face I am afraid :laugh:

[bots]

the problem with Hancock is that he believes his own BS :laugh:

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-62aa7215-3646-481d-a495-8fdd7b73222e.jpeg

[Zizu]

Yikes .. this isn’t gonna end well ..

Matt Hancock suggested to an aide that they "frighten the pants off everyone" and in another exchange, the Head of the Civil Service, Simon Case, suggested the "fear/guilt factor" was vital to the government's messaging.

;;;;

Matt Hancock:
Leaked messages suggest plan to frighten public

In an exchange between Mr Hancock and an aide from 13th December 2020 - five days before the government scrapped plans to relax rules for many over Christmas - the former health secretary discusses when to "deploy" the announcement of the new variant.

They are talking about the possibility of the London Mayor Sadiq Khan resisting a possible lockdown for London.


The Department of Health advisor suggests: "Rather than doing too much forward signalling, we can roll pitch with the new strain."


Mr Hancock says: "We frighten the pants of everyone with the new strain."

The advisor responds: "Yep, that's what will get proper behaviour change."

The minister then asks: "When do we deploy the new variant."

Mr Hancock announced the new variant the following day.


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[Zizu]

Sucker for a pretty face I am afraid :laugh:


Sadly I think that’s just a bloke thing ( our kryptonite ?)


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[Zizu]

Wrong

She confirmed on a Long Debate on BBC
with Chris Mason.


She Confirmed no NDA was signed


Another 11 or 12 Front pages to go...........................


She also stated the Official Public Covid Enquiry has NO Deadline

No NDA ??

Quote :::


Ms Oakeshott obtained them while helping Mr Hancock write his book, Pandemic Diaries. She has said she broke a legal agreement by releasing the messages because this is "in the public interest"


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[bots]

if the tories were likely to lose the next election, well, they are totally ****ed now :laugh:

We knew some of the stuff the medical experts were coming out with at those briefings with their modelling was scaremongering nonsense, but this is beyond the pale

[Cherie]

This is horrific...I think someone might actually try and kill Hancock, there are alot of very angry people who had loved ones die alone and in fear

[Crimson Dynamo]

While Matt Hancock breezily discussed how to “frighten the pants off everyone” with a new strain, a boy called Mark was listening to the drumbeat towards another national lockdown grow louder in deepening despair.

It was December 2020, and the 15-year-old’s life had already been turned upside down by the pandemic.

A few months earlier, his mother Anna Marie had decided that they should move house because they couldn’t even go to the local park during the first lockdown.

She describes how over-zealous council officials had shut the playground, leaving her struggling to cope with Mark’s little brother, a hyperactive five-year-old.

On her impoverished estate in Bootle, they were no longer even emptying the bins.

Now, the family was in a better place in the North East, but Anna Marie had been unable to get Mark into a new school.

With “home schooling” now an easy default, education authorities shrugged that he could just study for his GCSEs online.

Unable to play football during the first lockdown, he started putting on weight. When other children returned to school that autumn, he became increasingly isolated – and frightened.

As Mr Hancock and his acolytes plotted to use a new strain of coronavirus to terrify the population, that fear descended into paranoia. Mark became so scared of the virus that he would not even open his bedroom window.

“His nails were bitten to the bone. He was literally frightened of the air. He wore a mask everywhere,” his mother says.

In London, Mr Hancock’s spin doctors were feverishly WhatsApp-ing each other about how best to “roll the pitch” for more Covid restrictions.

In the North East, Anna Marie was trying to stop Mark listening to more frightening news bulletins.

“We tried to keep the TV off, but we were being bombarded,” she says, of the prophecies of doom relentlessly pumped out by an acquiescing media.

“Mark knew we were going into another lockdown. The fear was the thing that affected him most. He was disconnected; distant. I didn’t know what to do.”

Anna Marie, a single mother used to a hard life, did what so many others in desperate circumstances did at that time – she kept going. Sadly, Mark could not.

Almost exactly a year later, when most of the population had been vaccinated against Covid but the Omicron variant prompted yet another fear campaign, he told his mother he was popping out to the shops – and never returned.

His body was found by dog walkers three days later, hanging from a tree.

Though he had never talked of taking his own life, his family had been prepared for the worst, after discovering that he had searched the internet for how to tie a noose.

Those responsible for “Project Fear” had no idea about the lives of people like Anna Marie and her children.

Mr Hancock and his advisers did not even try to imagine how the tactics they were gleefully discussing to achieve “proper behaviour change” would affect the most vulnerable in society.

Heady on the unprecedented power they had seized to control all our lives, they were caught up in the excitement of managing the day-to-day crisis and their own sense of heroism at their leading roles in the drama.

No discussion about collateral damage
They were completely removed from the reality of lockdowns for those at the other end of the socio-economic spectrum.

Judging from the total absence of any discussion about collateral damage in their WhatsApp messages, they had zero interest in hearing about it either.


“Frightening the pants off people” had truly dreadful consequences.



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/04/isabel-oakeshott-lockdown-files-project-fear-matt-hancock-whatsapp/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hand washing and wiping surfaces like supermarket trolleys did work


Masks did not


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[bots]

I think the government is going to get really hammered over all this, and not before time

[Crimson Dynamo]

Comment re Hancock from the DT:

Just this week an autistic old lady was convicted of manslaughter and sentence to three
years in jail for scaring a cyclist, illegally riding on the pavement, and contributing to
her death.
Tell me how the behaviour of Hancock, Simon Case and the other lockdown zealots was
any different, except that it was conducted at a distance with the collusion of the BBC?

[Crimson Dynamo]

SIR – Amid all the much-deserved criticism of Matt Hancock and others now
that there is blood in the water, the essential truths about our response to the
Covid pandemic are in danger of being missed again.


Lockdowns, masks and all the rest of the Covid hysteria did little or no good,
and vast and continuing harm.

So by all means go after the power-crazed individuals who got their 15 minutes
of fame, but what we really need is an assurance that this crazy, nonsense-
based approach to an infectious disease with a very low mortality rate among
healthy people will never, ever be allowed to happen again.


Dr Stephan Larsson
Onslow Mountain, Nova Scotia, Canada

[arista]

SkyNews Text:
[A new story in its "Lockdown Files" series,
this time reporting claims that
then-Health Secretary Matt Hancock
rejected advice from the
UK's chief medical officers and Sage
to replace 14-day COVID isolation
periods with five days of testing.]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

SIR – We need to dispel the idea that the pandemic was “unprecedented”
(Letters, March 4) if we are to truly learn the lessons.

The world has faced pandemics and epidemics since the dawn of time. What
was unprecedented, on this occasion, was the willingness of democratic
governments to adopt the tactics of fear and coercion.

The leaked WhatsApp messages in your Lockdown Files do not show
politicians “doing their best”; they show a contempt for our democratic rights
and an abuse of power.

In any case, trying your best is no substitute for performing well and being
accountable. By all means empathise with Matt Hancock in a way that he did
not as loved ones and families were ripped apart for months on end. But if
people are too ready to forgive and forget, we will learn nothing.

Barry Gray
Bournemouth, Dorset

[Mystic Mock]

But he was "bullied" on IAC so doesn't that make him okay now?

It's sarcasm before anyone jumps in.:laugh:

[arista]

SkyNews Text :
["Lockdown Files" series,
reporting that
Matt Hancock discussed a plan to block
funding for a disabled children's centre
after a Conservative MP threatened to
rebel over COVID lockdown restrictions.]

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[bots]

what Hancock did here is what all governments have been doing for generations, mp's are always coerced to vote with the government

[arista]

[Get ready for another batch of Covid vaccines
this spring: All over-75s, care home residents and
vulnerable people to get top-up jab offer from mid-April
The Joint Committee on Vaccination and
Immunisation confirmed plan
People will be offered the vaccine around
six months after previous dose]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11830259/Elderly-vulnerable-offered-spring-Covid-booster-jab.html

[arista]

SkyNews text:

["Lockdown Files" series, this time reporting
that Matt Hancock was told by the
Cabinet Office to tone down a section
of his book about the China COVID lab
leak theory because of fears it would
"cause problems" with Beijing.]


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[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

India has reported a increase
they give it its real name
The Wuhan Virus.

Covid-19 variations have risen
more testing is now going on.

Reported yesterday on Gravitas Part 1 WION HD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh704r0kVUg

[Zizu]

India has reported a increase
they give it its real name
The Wuhan Virus.

Covid-19 variations have risen
more testing is now going on.

Reported yesterday on Gravitas Part 1 WION HD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh704r0kVUg


The Wuhan Laboratory virus !!

I’m amazed that there aren’t a proliferation of legal firms advertising free legal support for anyone wanting to claim compensation from the lab !!

How are they getting away with this !?

Imagine if Boots had been tinkering around with some viruses and created a deadly coronavirus !!


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[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

However, a separate study by St George’s Hospital found that wearing surgical masks in a large London hospital during the first 10 months of omicron made no discernible difference to reducing hospital-acquired Covid infections.


Researchers from the hospital looked at infection rates between December 2021 and June 2022 when staff and visitors were required to wear masks in both clinical and public areas compared with after the policy was ended in June 2022.

The analysis found that despite a Covid surge in June, and the ending of masks, the rate of infections was no higher.

“Our study found no evidence that mandatory masking of staff impacts the rate of hospital SARS-CoV-2 infection with the omicron variant,” said lead author Dr Ben Patterson, from St George’s University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, London.

“That doesn’t mean masks are worthless against omicron, but their real-world benefit in isolation appears to be, at best, modest in a healthcare setting.”

Dr Aodhan Breathnach from St George’s University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, London. Added: “Many hospitals have retained masking at significant financial and environment cost and despite the substantial barrier to communication.

“We hope this empirical evidence can help inform a rational and proportionate mask policy in health services.”

The research was presented at the European Congress of Clinical Microbiology & Infectious Diseases in Copenhagen.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/07/covid-surfaces-may-be-significant-spreader-omicron-mask/

one reply: "Ask them if they would be happy to strip asbestos in one of the blue rags, if not, well it isn’t going to stop a much tinier virus!"

[arista]

India has now reported 14 Deaths of Covid-19
across their nation.
Mostly old folk.

Ref : Gravitas Part 2 WION HD

[Mystic Mock]

India has now reported 14 Deaths of Covid-19
across their nation.
Mostly old folk.

Ref : Gravitas Part 2 WION HD

RIP

[Crimson Dynamo]

China may have started creating vaccines before telling the world that Covid-19 existed

Investigations by the committee show a team led by Professor Yusen Zhou of the Academy of Military Medical Sciences (AMMS) filed a patent for a Covid-19 vaccine on February 24, 2020.

Vaccine developers interviewed by the investigators say it would have taken at least two to three months to reach such a stage, meaning work must have started in November 2019, one month before China released details of the virus.

The report also revealed “uncertainties” surrounding the death of Prof Zhou, who died sometime in the spring of 2020. The Chinese government has not acknowledged his death or the circumstances.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/04/18/10-things-learned-us-senate-report-covid-china/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Between February 8th and May 26th 2021, it was forbidden to say Covid may have came from a lab leak on Facebook .

[arista]

[Doctor's death due to AstraZeneca Covid
vaccine reaction]

[The death of a doctor after his
Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid-19 jab was due
to "unintended complications of the vaccine",
an inquest has ruled.

Stephen Wright, an NHS psychologist
in south-east London, died 10 days after his
first dose in January 2021,
senior coroner Andrew Harris found.

Dr Wright, 32, suffered a blood clot
to the brain after receiving the vaccine.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65321937

This is rare,
real sad he died.

[Mystic Mock]

China may have started creating vaccines before telling the world that Covid-19 existed

Investigations by the committee show a team led by Professor Yusen Zhou of the Academy of Military Medical Sciences (AMMS) filed a patent for a Covid-19 vaccine on February 24, 2020.

Vaccine developers interviewed by the investigators say it would have taken at least two to three months to reach such a stage, meaning work must have started in November 2019, one month before China released details of the virus.

The report also revealed “uncertainties” surrounding the death of Prof Zhou, who died sometime in the spring of 2020. The Chinese government has not acknowledged his death or the circumstances.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/04/18/10-things-learned-us-senate-report-covid-china/

Of course the Government won't acknowledge his death.

The Chinese people really need to start seeing their Government for what it is.

[Alf]

BBC, which means you can't even claim conspiracy theory.


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[Alf]

And ITV, just to make sure.


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[Alf]

Do you now understand that when those "anti-vaxxers" As you call them, question whether the vaccine was the reason for sudden deaths, that there's actual reason behind it?

And you that call them "conspiracy theorists" to attempt to shame them and shut them down are pretty much the same as holocaust deniers. You are vaccine death deniers.

[arista]

Alf
it was sad he died

But that is Rare

[Alf]

Alf
it was sad he died

But that is RareIs it rare though? And even if it is, it's still a killer that was pushed from the politicians and media with threats to the people if they didn't take it. It's still a killer that they attempted to mandate on the people and in some cases did.

[arista]

"Is it rare though?"


Yes it is.

[Alf]

"Is it rare though?"


Yes it is.Deaths from Covid was even more rare. Most people died with Covid, not from it.

[user104658]

Do you now understand that when those "anti-vaxxers" As you call them, question whether the vaccine was the reason for sudden deaths, that there's actual reason behind it?

And you that call them "conspiracy theorists" to attempt to shame them and shut them down are pretty much the same as holocaust deniers. You are vaccine death deniers.

Who has denied that vaccines have potential side effects?

[user104658]

Deaths from Covid was even more rare. Most people died with Covid, not from it.

If that were true, the overall excess death figures from mid 2021 onwards (large scale vaccination programmes in progress) would be higher than the overall excess death figures for 2020 and winter 2020-2021.

They are in fact significantly lower so this doesn't really hold water.

[Alf]

Who has denied that vaccines have potential side effects?Those that argue that you're nothing but a conspiracy theorist if you question how these sudden deaths have been happening.

Don't use your energy to argue with me, I didn't kill this guy. I'm not your enemy.Use it to argue against those that were pushing these on people.

[user104658]

Those that argue that you're nothing but a conspiracy theorist if you question how these sudden deaths have been happening.

Don't use your energy to argue with me, I didn't kill this guy. I'm not your enemy.Use it to argue against those that were pushing these on people.

But I'm not anti-vaccination .. regardless of whether this poor chap died of a vaccine complication or not. :shrug:

[arista]

But I'm not anti-vaccination .. regardless of whether this poor chap died of a vaccine complication or not. :shrug:


Yes you are Sensible
and more Educated than Alf

[Alf]

When Paul O'Grady died, all I said was "Was he vaxxed?" and that was enough to rub people up the wrong way, and see you as some monster, when the truth is it's a reasonable question that's actually showing concern.

[Alf]

But I'm not anti-vaccination .. regardless of whether this poor chap died of a vaccine complication or not. :shrug:Neither am I. I just didn't trust them with this one, because none of it made any sense and they came across as far too dodgy for me.

[arista]

When Paul O'Grady died, all I said was "Was he vaxxed?" and that was enough to rub people up the wrong way, when and see you as some monster, when the truth is it's a reasonable question that's actually showing concern.


He had a Heart Attack
in the night,


deadly.

[Alf]

He had a Heart Attack
in the night,


deadly.But at the time of my enquiry I wasn't aware of that. So I was investigating for myself.

[arista]

But at the time of my enquiry I wasn't aware of that. So I was investigating for myself.

Stop being silly


Paul's Funeral is today in Kent

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11994157/Paul-OGrady-funeral-live-TV-star-laid-rest-Kent-dogs-forming-guard-honour.html

[Alf]

Yes you are Sensible
and more Educated than AlfDiane Abbott is more educated than me and you. What does being educated prove?

[bots]

vaccines have always been about risk vs reward. In the early days of covid the reward was far greater than the risk. That still holds true for a significant proportion of the population.

The exact same principles apply to any vaccination. There is always risk. There is risk associated with any form of medication without exception. That's life

[arista]

Diane Abbott is more educated than me and you. What does being educated prove?


Yes, but only on Left Wing Ideology

[Alf]

vaccines have always been about risk vs reward. In the early days of covid the reward was far greater than the risk. That still holds true for a significant proportion of the population.

The exact same principles apply to any vaccination. There is always risk. There is risk associated with any form of medication without exception. That's lifeWe were the guinea pigs for these vaccines.Yet they tried making them mandatory for us. We were shamed for refusing to be a guinea pig.

[Alf]

Get em' telt Juney girl.



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[arista]

No June Lady
you are deluded.

[user104658]

Get em' telt Juney girl.



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Brexit being unironically mentioned in the same breath as WW2 and the fall of the Soviet Union :joker: :joker:. Come on now.

[Alf]

Trump told you the cure. But the Pfizer sponsored, Trump hating media told you not to listen to him, and you trusted them.



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[Alf]

Brexit being unironically mentioned in the same breath as WW2 and the fall of the Soviet Union :joker: :joker:. Come on now.Just giving a few examples. When you give a few examples, those examples don't have to be exactly the same.

[bots]

We were the guinea pigs for these vaccines.Yet they tried making them mandatory for us. We were shamed for refusing to be a guinea pig.

i don't agree with the approach the government took over covid passes and trying to guilt people into being vaccinated. However, millions of people have been vaccinated multiple times for covid and the numbers that have had a problem remain tiny

[user104658]

Trump told you the cure. But the Pfizer sponsored, Trump hating media told you not to listen to him, and you trusted them.


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanam/article/PIIS2667-193X(22)00085-0/fulltext

"Ultimately, hydroxychloroquine did not have clinical benefit for COVID-19."

That's an article in The Lancet (one of the most respected peer-reviewed medical journals), Alf. Not the MSM or YouTube.

[Alf]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanam/article/PIIS2667-193X(22)00085-0/fulltext

"Ultimately, hydroxychloroquine did not have clinical benefit for COVID-19."

That's an article in The Lancet (one of the most respected peer-reviewed medical journals), Alf. Not the MSM or YouTube.Are you sure that the Lancet didn't retract that? I think maybe they did, look it up, I'm sure I read that somewhere.

[Nicky91]

Trump told you the cure. But the Pfizer sponsored, Trump hating media told you not to listen to him, and you trusted them.



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Trump's ''cure'' was also the one Bolsonaro tried forcing onto the people in his brazil back at that time



in the end, good had beaten evil, first in Brazil and later on god bless the usa for also getting orange clown turd out of office



the countries who did the best amid the pandemic have been
Australia, New Zealand, Vietnam, and also South Korea did a lot of things right

[Alf]

They did retract it didn't they TS?

[Nicky91]

Vietnam especially as i very much remember, had lots of recoveries from ICU's

good work there by their doctors for quite some time

[Alf]

Trump's ''cure'' was also the one Bolsonaro tried forcing onto the people in his brazil back at that time



in the end, good had beaten evil, first in Brazil and later on god bless the usa for also getting orange clown turd out of office



the countries who did the best amid the pandemic have been
Australia, New Zealand, Vietnam, and also South Korea did a lot of things rightThe only Orange clown turd is Ruud Gullit in your national football kit.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Doctor John Campbell's interview with MP Mark Bridgen

https://rumble.com/v2l3cfk-mr-andrew-bridgen-mp.html

It was censored on Youtube.....

[arista]

BBC News Text :
[An investigation about the legacy
of long Covid
in the UK.
It says two million Brits have been left
with symptoms after contracting the virus,
and 400,000 need specialist care.
It quotes one sufferer as saying
Covid-19 "has completely changed my life".]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/DFEE/production/_129662375_dailymirror-nc.png.webp

[Alf]

Remember the flu disappearing? Well it looks like it's back and now identical to Covid.

It was just the flu all along, wasn't it?



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[user104658]

Remember the flu disappearing?

No because it didn't, flu stats for 2020 - 2022 are openly available.

It was just the flu all along, wasn't it?

No.

[user104658]

If anything, you'll find that flu-related deaths from pneumonia are a good chunk higher than normal for the time of year pre-Covid, which would suggest that the opposite could be true -- a number of Covid-respiratory-related deaths might be being misattributed as flu.

Although another POSSIBLE explanation is that we're seeing some decline in community immune rates for flu in the aftermath of lockdowns/social distancing through 2020 and 2021.

[arista]

Yes Alf

That's Australia



Those 2 stars are based there
now.


This is a New test of both
Started in USA early this year

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/24/health/fda-flu-covid-test/index.html

[Tests for Covid-19 and flu are helpful
because both illnesses can be treated
with different medications,
and those drugs work best when taken
as soon as possible after symptoms begin.
Get CNN Health's weekly newsletter



“Today’s authorization of the first OTC test
that can detect Influenza A and B,
along with SARS-CoV-2, is a major milestone in
bringing greater consumer access to diagnostic tests
that can be performed entirely at home,”
Dr. Jeff Shuren, director of the FDA’s Center
for Devices and Radiological Health,
said in a statement Friday.]

[Alf]

No because it didn't, flu stats for 2020 - 2022 are openly available.



No.The guy who has all the correct answers to lives questions.

[Alf]

The definition of Persecution

Just change the words "anti-vaxxer" with "Jew" and you'll then be able to understand just who the fascists are.



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[bots]

i thought the way governments tried to force vaccination on people was wrong, i felt the covid passports were wrong, but i am still very glad i had the option to chose vaccination if i wanted it.

The fact that you remain unvaccinated Alf, shows that you could always refuse it

[Alf]

i thought the way governments tried to force vaccination on people was wrong, i felt the covid passports were wrong, but i am still very glad i had the option to chose vaccination if i wanted it.

The fact that you remain unvaccinated Alf, shows that you could always refuse itSo far. I'm sure that they're back at the drawing board thinking up their next plan of action.

They probably just didn't expect the amount of resistance they got. They probably thought that they had enough sheep under control and the large majority would just comply and go along with them.

I mean, there were some on here that were firmly in line and saying that un-vaccinated should be allowed medical treatment. They thought they had more like that, they were very wrong.

Or maybe Donald Trump rushed them into their plan before the right time?

[user104658]

So far. I'm sure that they're back at the drawing board thinking up their next plan of action.

If they didn't force it at the height of Covid paranoia and lockdowns, it's very unlikely that they're going to force it now. "They'll start putting it in the food/water supply" would be a more convincing conspiracy theory.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Funny that the MSM are not picking this up??

TQry8hZQu0I

[user104658]

Funny that the MSM are not picking this up??

TQry8hZQu0I

The video he's commenting on is interesting but I'm afraid I still just can't take Doc John seriously any more as you know LT. It's just daft at this point with his budget Comic Sans posters in the background.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0896/4390/products/the-truth_1024x1024@2x.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

The video he's commenting on is interesting but I'm afraid I still just can't take Doc John seriously any more as you know LT. It's just daft at this point with his budget Comic Sans posters in the background.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0896/4390/products/the-truth_1024x1024@2x.jpg

forget about the Doctor, its the content that is very concerning

[bots]

Shall i tell you what i have noticed? These people are all basically saying, don't be distracted from the truth that governments have been hiding from you and in the majority, they enforce this by distracting people even further with completely outlandish crap.

My rule is, unless something directly affects me or my family i couldn't care less what lies are being told. They all lie, every single one of them and if by some massive coincidence it's not an actual lie, it will have been spun to oblivian to make a point/win an argument

[Alf]

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[arista]

LBC Live

Debating Covid Fines now in Court
from 2021 April.
Hell of backlog to get through in the UK.,

One Taxi driver
failed at Airport arrival
and has a £5,000 Fine
to pay


He can Not afford that

[Alf]

0PM67hjv4iM

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-0cbc79da-b58d-4af9-83a3-2ff31d2e5c7a.jpeg

[Crimson Dynamo]

A report published yesterday — hundreds of pages of devastating detail from
experts at Johns Hopkins University in the U.S. and Lund University in Sweden
— concluded the supposed benefits of lockdown were 'a drop in the bucket'
when compared to the costs. Or, as I would put it, they were like burning down
your house to get rid of a wasps' nest.

This report (in fact a revised version of an earlier document first issued in May
2022) will shock many Lockdown enthusiasts by saying that closing the country
saved as few as 1,700 lives in England and Wales in spring 2020.

The report authors said their findings showed that the draconian measures
had a “negligible impact” on Covid mortality and were a “policy failure of
gigantic proportions”.

The study’s authors conclude: “The science of lockdowns is clear; the data
are in: the deaths saved were a drop in the bucket compared to the
staggering collateral costs imposed.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/04/first-lockdown-prevented-1700-deaths-landmark-study-finds/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12162317/PETER-HITCHENS-accept-lockdown-like-burning-home-destroy-wasps-nest.html

who would have guessed that imposing a Chinese Communist party policy on ALL of the UK would be a bad idea?

[arista]

Robbie Williams stopped his Live Gig
he shouted out, he has Long Covid.

A Clip, was on Ch4HDnews tonight

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/toadmeister/status/1671163707618131969?s=20

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-865af977-a630-4800-8dab-2b4cfaf5ad07.png

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-bad20a2a-e503-463c-ab96-a4de1ea758b6.png


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-08e604a3-aad6-4fec-af2c-3bb6b25e79bd.jpeg

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1679033750523461632?s=20

[Liam-]

Meanwhile in real news

https://twitter.com/bbcpolitics/status/1679188998722584576?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1679033750523461632?s=20

that ''authoritarian inhumanity'' he talks about, was to keep people safe though


but if Melville knows it all so much better, lets leave him in charge in the next global pandemic, lets see where we all end up then ;)

[arista]

Posting a Newspaper, again
from Shaun's First Thread on the China Based Killer Virus

to show the Anger/Panic of Early 2020

26 Feb 2020

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/E473/production/_111038485_dailymirror.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/kevinnbass/status/1681101810831093760?s=20

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[More than 28,000 people in England and Wales
have been convicted of breaching
COVID regulations despite
the government saying it never intended
to criminalise people for pandemic infractions.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-4e3a38ac-1871-4de4-b9e4-8a2ac62f9aea.png

[Mystic Mock]

This Government really ****ed up during the Pandemic didn't they? Jesus Christ!

[DemolitionRed]

This is three years old now and since this video, many more medical professionals have come forward.
Erin has now given evidence at the C summit



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[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-b042e495-6fef-412c-b131-41d7007ac5fd.png

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://content.invisioncic.com/Mrangmedia/emoticons/craphead.gif

https://twitter.com/PunishDem1776/status/1684788125325840384?s=20

[user104658]

Y'know, I've still never had Covid and neither has my wife or youngest :think:.

Eldest has had it like 3 times, I guess that's high school for you, I like to joke that her and her pals must go around licking each other's faces.

[bots]

Y'know, I've still never had Covid and neither has my wife or youngest :think:.

Eldest has had it like 3 times, I guess that's high school for you, I like to joke that her and her pals must go around licking each other's faces.

touch wood, i've never had it either

[Crimson Dynamo]

you both probably did but were asymptomatic

so well done both, you spread it around like a Rhodes wildfire


:skull:

[Zizu]

Y'know, I've still never had Covid and neither has my wife or youngest :think:.

Eldest has had it like 3 times, I guess that's high school for you, I like to joke that her and her pals must go around licking each other's faces.


Pretty sure just about everyone in the country has had at least one bout of Covid ..

A third of the population were asymptomatic ..


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1685107742644826112?s=20

[arista]

In Today's papers
they are expecting Covid-19 to arrive,
again, this winter.

[arista]

[Daily Telegraph leads with a study
which claims the coronavirus lockdown harmed
"almost half of children", citing youngsters being
more worried and less confident.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/ACA8/production/_130600244_1001rc-dtndt-1-010823-a001c-dt_page-0001.jpg.webp

[Mystic Mock]

[Daily Telegraph leads with a study
which claims the coronavirus lockdown harmed
"almost half of children", citing youngsters being
more worried and less confident.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/ACA8/production/_130600244_1001rc-dtndt-1-010823-a001c-dt_page-0001.jpg.webp

I'm really shocked that kids not being able to properly socialize for a couple of years has mentally ****ed them up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1691053551319908352?s=20

[DemolitionRed]

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1691053551319908352?s=20

The knockdown against the vaccines is huge across Europe, America and Australia. The ongoing Senate hearings against Fauci looks like he's being fed to the wolves.
The WEF are getting nervous and this is why they are trying to dismiss covid and get other parts o the global agenda done at warp speed.
Millions are being woken up to the corruption behind gain of function, Covid and big pharma.

Meanwhile MSM are busy covering up the lies, which of course, makes them culpable too.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-064a4eb7-f9f0-4aa4-bb5e-c8f8a54bfad2.png

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[Covid vaccine manufacturers are preparing
to let anyone buy a booster jab.
The paper says it comes after the
UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) said it was happy
to see jabs on sale privately, as flu jabs are.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/5E45/production/_130833142_croppedtim.001.1gm.18aug_frontpage-nc.png.webp

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just watch the short clip at the start where the head of Moderna is being taken to task by USA senator - staggering

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[bots]

these congressional inquiries are a nonsense these days

[Crimson Dynamo]

these congressional inquiries are a nonsense these days

yes that is the takeaway :facepalm:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/beverleyturner/status/1692308650491060619?s=20

[arista]

We now have a new Strain of Covid -19


[Real deal' Covid variant is now in Britain: Patient is hospitalised
in London with heavily-mutated 'Pirola' strain - and experts think
they caught it IN the UK
UKHSA officials said they were 'aware' Pirola 'has been
detected in the UK'
The World Health Organization yesterday labelled
it a 'variant under monitoring'
Experts believe the strain could have over
30 mutations in its spike protein]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12420697/Real-deal-Covid-variant-Britain-Patient-hospitalised-London-heavily-mutated-BA-X-strain-experts-think-caught-UK.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/08/18/16/74478641-12420697-image-a-22_1692374359938.jpg

[Virus-tracking researchers detected the
Omicron spin-off – nicknamed Pirola but also
known scientifically as BA.X/BA.2.86 – in a patient
hospitalised in London.]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12420697/Real-deal-Covid-variant-Britain-Patient-hospitalised-London-heavily-mutated-BA-X-strain-experts-think-caught-UK.html

[arista]

Updated New Covid -19 Vaccine
is due to arrive in the USA in Mid-September,

Live CNN HD USA on UK TV.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/LibertyCappy/status/1695345334405284043?s=20

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4ZRZEjWgAAIhK9?format=jpg&name=large

[Alf]

I can't believe it's lockdown season already. I still have my climate change decorations up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I can't believe it's lockdown season already. I still have my climate change decorations up.

:joker:

[Alf]

1696958333284991416

[arista]

Alf
that's an old post,
posted again, yesterday
By the Non-real Trump poster on X (twitter).

So its well out of date

Yet again Alf

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/08/31/16/74924703-0-image-m-16_1693495992317.jpg

[Fears Pirola Covid variant will
'overwhelm NHS' sees 'concerned' health bosses
bring back community testing and pull
forward booster rollout - as some stores
run out of tests again

Health chiefs u-turned again yesterday
on the Covid and flu rollout start date
UKHSA officials labelled Pirola 'notable'
due to its 'high number of mutations'
Surge in Covid deaths this year as
fatalities jumps 57% in a week]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12464831/Pharmacies-run-Covid-tests-experts-urge-Brits-test-Pirola-symptoms.html

[MTVN]

Winter lockdown incoming :cheer:

[Cherie]

No bloody way are they locking me down this time, I think alot of people will feel the same?

[bots]

they are just moving up the vaccination program to later this month (september) rather than next month

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/08/31/10/74551835-12464831-Pirola_s_arrival_comes_as_Covid_cases_take_off_onc e_again_sparki-a-1_1693472907937.jpg

[arista]

Winter lockdown incoming :cheer:


Lets hope not

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/08/31/10/74551835-12464831-Pirola_s_arrival_comes_as_Covid_cases_take_off_onc e_again_sparki-a-1_1693472907937.jpg

we know that all this type of data is fabricated

[Alf]

You can always trust The Don. The media not so much.


1694370372005560377

[Crimson Dynamo]

ycnmiu

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/08/18/16/74478641-12420697-image-a-22_1692374359938.jpg



Pirola Covid (BA 2.86) variant
was 3, last week


Now 34 in the UK

28 at a Care Home
(6 sloppy staff spread it)



BBC1HD Lunch News

[bots]

very few people test, so that number is just nonsense