Coronavirus Outbreak : England Removed All Restrictions

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/24/12/article-10342241-52183861-948_964x543.jpg

[bots]

The problem that the likes of Scotland, Wales, France, Germany and the Netherlands have is that if a really worrying variant comes along in the future that the people will just ignore any lockdown advice they are being given. They obviously haven't heard of crying wolf

[Crimson Dynamo]

just dont test and you wont get a pos

[Nicky91]

The problem that the likes of Scotland, Wales, France, Germany and the Netherlands have is that if a really worrying variant comes along in the future that the people will just ignore any lockdown advice they are being given. They obviously haven't heard of crying wolf

if people ignore lockdown advice, then they are just a bunch of trolls

[Crimson Dynamo]

if people ignore lockdown advice, then they are just a bunch of trolls

and those that listen to it are just sheep?

have you had 1 vaccine yet?

[Nicky91]

and those that listen to it are just sheep?

No, those are doing fine, obeying the rules as we all should

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2021/12/24/far-early-discuss-loosening-lockdown-says-outbreak-team-member

Netherlands: Far too early to discuss loosening lockdown, says Outbreak Team member

Early research published this week suggesting the Omicron variant of the coronavirus causes less severe symptoms of Covid-19 is positive news, said Outbreak Management Team member Marc Bonten. However, a sharp rise in the total number of infections caused by the variant could still mean far more patients require hospitalization than the Dutch healthcare system can handle, the microbiologist told Nieuwsuur.

“The chance of the very grim scenario, with thousands of patients simultaneously needing intensive care in the Netherlands, has now become much smaller, that's for sure,” he acknowledged. “That all seems very good, but if the total number of infections continues to rise so quickly, there is still a good chance that the English healthcare system will also be overrun with patients. And of course that also applies to the Netherlands.”

The number of coronavirus infections in England is continuing to double every two days, Bonten said. “If the total number of infections continues to rise so quickly, there is a real chance that the English healthcare system will become bogged down with patients.” The same could happen in the Netherlands, Bonten continued.

Early research in Amsterdam also suggested a doubling of Omicron infections every two to three days. The Omicron variant is believed to be significantly more contagious than the Delta variant, which was also spread from person to person easier than earlier iterations of the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus. The Omicron variant has already become dominant in Amsterdam, and it is expected to become dominant nationally by the end of the year.

“It is up to the Cabinet to decide what needs to be done, but if the question to the OMT is, ‘Can we safely reduce measures now, because we are out of the danger zone?’ The answer is still a very clear ‘no.’”

[Crimson Dynamo]

No, those are doing fine, obeying the rules as we all should

but you have not obeyed the rule of getting a vaccine i think I am correct in saying?

[arista]

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10342603/Record-1-7million-Brits-Covid-weekend-one-20-Londoners-carrying-virus.html

[arista]

Friday 24/12/21

137 have Died
122,186 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,240

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
842


147,857 total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Update again.
No official update on 25 and 26 December 2021

So the numbers will be back on the 27th of Dec.

[Mystic Mock]

The problem that the likes of Scotland, Wales, France, Germany and the Netherlands have is that if a really worrying variant comes along in the future that the people will just ignore any lockdown advice they are being given. They obviously haven't heard of crying wolf

I agree.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: RIVM stricter quarantaine measures against people with omicron variant and people around those infected

10 days quarantine time, even when they are vaccinated



failing to obey to these rules and you receive a 400 euro fine

[MTVN]

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:wavey:

[arista]

[New Year's eve on a knife edge: PM to rule on
new restrictions on Monday as scientists
predict any new curbs on socialising
could be in place until late MARCH - while London's
daily Covid hospital admissions surge by 92%
The PM is set to review the latest Covid figures
on Monday as further restriction could
be imposed before NYE
Covid hospital admissions in London
are within touching distance of the
threshold of 400 for a lockdown
Ministers are said to be watching
admission rates in London before pulling
the trigger on more national curbs]




But the next 2 Days there are no Guide Numbers



[The modelling has not yet been seen by
ministers,
who are expected to make a decision early next week,
potentially as soon as Monday,
on extra restrictions.
The work was completed before the
latest data suggesting the Omicron variant
may produce less severe illness than the
Delta strain of coronavirus.

A consensus paper by the
Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group
on Modelling, Operational sub-group (Spi-M-O) published
today said 'rapidly enacted Step 2 measures
reduce the peak of hospital pressure to about
half its level under Plan B only'.
It also included a model examining the impact
'non-mandated behaviour change' would
have if it reduced mixing by half the amount
that Step 2 would achieve.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10339533/PM-set-make-decision-new-restrictions-Londons-daily-Covid-hospital-admissions-surge.html

[arista]

Netherlands: RIVM stricter quarantaine measures against people with omicron variant and people around those infected

10 days quarantine time, even when they are vaccinated



failing to obey to these rules and you receive a 400 euro fine



Yes Lay the Law down
in the Netherlands.

[Crimson Dynamo]

so that story about the recluse who died of omicron - the anti-vacc guy - the first death

was indeed bollocks

wUOWI5FfWjI

[arista]

But it is over 14 now
LT.

Are you saying it was not Omicron
that killed them.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-says-14-deaths-129-hospitalised-by-omicron-2021-12-22/

[bots]

But it is over 14 now
LT.

Are you saying it was not Omicron
that killed them.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-says-14-deaths-129-hospitalised-by-omicron-2021-12-22/

you keep quoting these figures Arista and never say if the person died with omicron or from omicron. It makes a huge difference

[arista]

you keep quoting these figures Arista and never say if the person died with omicron or from omicron. It makes a huge difference


Confirmed by the UK Health Authority.


BBC news needs to find out more
we the Public are funding them.

[bots]

Confirmed by the UK Health Authority.


BBC news needs to find out more
we the Public are funding them.

but what was confirmed. Did they die with omicron or from omicron, you keep avoiding that when asked ... why?

[arista]

but what was confirmed. Did they die with omicron or from omicron, you keep avoiding that when asked ... why?


Do not blame me,
The BBC news must update us.

[Crimson Dynamo]

But it is over 14 now
LT.

Are you saying it was not Omicron
that killed them.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-says-14-deaths-129-hospitalised-by-omicron-2021-12-22/

yes unless you have any proof to say it was Omicron?

[bots]

im sure 14 people will have died in the last couple of weeks that also had an std

[Alf]

Turn the news off and enjoy your Christmas.

[arista]

Turn the news off and enjoy your Christmas.


No Alf

Tech News 30mins is soon on WION HD



As the Pathetic BBC doing a click Xmas edition
walking through a market.
Presenters think we need them.
Arrogant fools

[arista]

im sure 14 people will have died in the last couple of weeks that also had an std



[There are currently 129 people in hospital with the
Omicron variant of the coronavirus and
so far 14 people have died with it,
junior health minister Gillian Keegan]


Our MTVN has it at home
sadly.

[bots]

[There are currently 129 people in hospital with the
Omicron variant of the coronavirus and
so far 14 people have died with it,
junior health minister Gillian Keegan]


Our MTVN has it at home
sadly.

with it are the important words. This is another example of scare mongering by the government and media

[arista]

with it are the important words. This is another example of scare mongering by the government and media


But now it has Taken the Lead
in the USA.


Even in China
Omicron
can not be stopped by their homemade meds

[bots]

But now it has Taken the Lead
in the USA.


Even in China
Omicron
can not be stopped by their homemade meds

you keep trying to make it something to fear, and its not. The numbers on ventilator have not gone up. The people dying from covid are those who had delta. Omicron is not something to be worried about

[arista]

You keep trying to make it something to fear, and its not. The numbers on ventilator have not gone up. The people dying from covid are those who had delta. Omicron is not something to be worried about


Yes Delta Covid-19
is the Current big killer.



Omicron in China has got them Angry.
The want Zero Covid.
But that is impossible at an international China Port.


Omicron is a Problem
as it can take a whole Workforce away.
As a poster, you fail to look
at the Bigger Picture

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/25/07/52195877-10339533-People_shopping_on_Oxford_Street_earlier_this_Frid ay_A_national_-a-3_1640419041379.jpg
This Friday in Oxford St. London.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/24/21/52197601-0-image-a-13_1640382320347.jpg
New York passengers stranded
because Cancelled flights
due to lack of staff that have Omicron
must stay at home.

[AnnieK]

Turn the news off and enjoy your Christmas.

Great advice
Merry Christmas Alf x

[Zizu]

Turn the news off and enjoy your Christmas.


Excellent advice !!


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[Zizu]

[

But the next 2 Days there are no Guide Numbers



[The modelling has not yet been seen by
ministers,
who are expected to make a decision early next week,
potentially as soon as Monday,
on extra restrictions.
The work was completed before the
latest data suggesting the Omicron variant
may produce less severe illness than the
Delta strain of coronavirus.

[/url]

Yikes the new infections figure will be frightening by Tuesday I reckon..

The thing about this new data modelling is that it’s apparently based on 131 patients !?!?

That’s not a number I would trust tbh


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[Mystic Mock]

you keep trying to make it something to fear, and its not. The numbers on ventilator have not gone up. The people dying from covid are those who had delta. Omicron is not something to be worried about

This.

We shouldn't be overreacting to Omicron, because if we do get a more deadly variant and the Government wants us to be more careful, people won't take them seriously as it'll be the boy who cried wolf type of situation.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/26/15/52236557-0-image-m-4_1640533766555.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/26/15/52236731-10345153-image-a-45_1640534385330.jpg
This is Covid Spreading, Zizu

[People queue for the Selfridges sale
on boxing day as the store opens at 11am
to welcome shoppers on Oxford Street,
London, to make the most of the Boxing Day sales,
despite rising case numbers]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10345153/Testing-positive-Christmas-Day-People-lament-getting-gift-positive-Covid-tests.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/26/12/52180831-10345153-Grinch_tweets-a-25_1640520737085.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/26/12/52180833-10345153-Grinch_tweets-a-26_1640520737087.jpg


2 Easy Targets

[arista]

Johnson PM needs to bring in
More Strict Laws to
get on a Bus or Train you must have a Mask on.
And the same in Every shop.

Live Debate on LBC

[Crimson Dynamo]

Johnson PM needs to focus on other things than this covid obsession - time to move on

[arista]

Johnson PM needs to focus on other things than this covid obsession - time to move on



No he can not
Omicron Covid may be milder
but it has taken away the Workforce.

All those not taking tests, are the worse,
they go back to work, pass it on to 50 others
or more.

For Example,
USA is trying
to post Test kits to everyone
that's the better way to be,

[Mystic Mock]

Johnson PM needs to bring in
More Strict Laws to
get on a Bus or Train you must have a Mask on.
And the same in Every shop.

Live Debate on LBC

Even more than the Vaccine is I really don't understand why people can't wear a Mask? Yes they can be a bit uncomfortable imo, but at least if you have Covid you're not going out of your way to spread it to people.

The day Boris stopped making Mask wearing mandatory was the day he put grief on himself.

[joeysteele]

Even more than the Vaccine is I really don't understand why people can't wear a Mask? Yes they can be a bit uncomfortable imo, but at least if you have Covid you're not going out of your way to spread it to people.

The day Boris stopped making Mask wearing mandatory was the day he put grief on himself.

There's many things that man has got wrong in this pandemic and he never seems to learn anything from.

I agree wholeheartedly with your last paragraph Mock.
That was in my view a tremendous mistake re masks.

[arista]

I am getting Sick of Labour MP David Lammy
he just said Live on LBC
"I want to know what to vote on in Parliament this week."

He is Over Cocky
we do not know if Parliament is going to come back this Holiday week


He should have said "If" Parliament is back


I have Turned off LBC

[Zizu]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/26/15/52236731-10345153-image-a-45_1640534385330.jpg
This is Covid Spreading, Zizu

[People queue for the Selfridges sale
on boxing day as the store opens at 11am
to welcome shoppers on Oxford Street,
London, to make the most of the Boxing Day sales,
despite rising case numbers]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10345153/Testing-positive-Christmas-Day-People-lament-getting-gift-positive-Covid-tests.html


Just seems crazy behaviour to me but what do I know


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Just seems crazy behaviour to me but what do I know


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Why?

Omicron is mild

Unless you know different?

[Beastie]

2022 when we finally put covid to rest :laugh:

[Zizu]

Why?

Omicron is mild

Unless you know different?


It doesn’t matter if it is milder if hundreds of thousands get it it can still throw up a ridiculous amount of people requiring hospital treatment


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[Crimson Dynamo]

It doesn’t matter if it is milder if hundreds of thousands get it it can still throw up a ridiculous amount of people requiring hospital treatment


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Not that old chestnut. Omg the NHS will be overwhelmed. Get a bloody group. It's silly fearmongering bollocks.

Jesus wept

[Crimson Dynamo]

What does overwhelmed mean

Will it be in Cardiff, Shetland, Londonderry, Fishcross?

It's meaningless jargon

[Zizu]

It’s a fairly simple concept .. % wise there may be fewer serious cases and/or deaths BUT with 150, 000 new infections each day there are gonna be huge numbers requiring hospital treatment .


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[Crimson Dynamo]

It’s a fairly simple concept .. % wise there may be fewer serious cases and/or deaths BUT with 150, 000 new infections each day there are gonna be huge numbers requiring hospital treatment .


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That isn't based on fact it's just made up figure


You may as well double that number or reduce it by 99%

What precedent are you basing this on?

[Zizu]

That isn't based on fact it's just made up figure


You may as well double that number or reduce it by 99%

What precedent are you basing this on?


The daily figures are made up ??


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[bots]

the numbers in hospital with omicron are tiny (less than 200) against the massive infection rate. Of that number in hospital we dont even know the reason for them being in hospital, most may not be omicron induced. Of those that are in hospital because of omicron, what % were boostered. Under any circumstance, its unlikely that figure is more than a handful

Thats not making things up, its looking at actual numbers in hospital as a baseline.


Those are not figures to be in a panic about.

[arista]

Why?

Omicron is mild

Unless you know different?



Yes but Spreads far faster
Removing Essential Workforce

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Toy Soldier]

Not that old chestnut. Omg the NHS will be overwhelmed. Get a bloody group. It's silly fearmongering bollocks.

Jesus wept


Do you actually personally know anyone who works in an NHS hospital? Particularly, in and A&E or ICU?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do you actually personally know anyone who works in an NHS hospital? Particularly, in and A&E or ICU?

they call LBC and Talkradio pretty much daily. WHole shows are dedicated to "call in if you work for the NHS"(Particularly, in and A&E or ICU). In fact Andrew Castle did that very show yesterday. And I dont think over the last 2 years has a job been more scrutinised and in the news than A & E and ICU.

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2021/12/27/ggd-cautions-getting-booster-shot-abroad

Netherlands: GGD cautions getting booster jabs abroad, just wait in line in own country

The GGD strongly advised not to get Covid-19 booster vaccinations across the border. It could cause problems when registering in the CoronaCheck app, a spokeswoman for the umbrella organization GGD GHOR Netherlands said.

Anyone who gets their booster shot in Germany will not get a certificate in the CoronaCheck App. After a booster shot abroad, you can only receive a paper access pass, not a Digital Corona Certificate to travel. A digital certificate can only be given by the European country where the booster shot was given, a GGD spokesperson said.

"To avoid disappointment, we advise people to have themselves vaccinated in the Netherlands," the spokesperson said. "The booster campaign is going very fast in the Netherlands and does not cause any problems afterward when registering in the CoronaCheck app."

It was unclear how many Dutch people had already obtained a booster shot abroad. The vaccination rate in Vaals, near the German border, is 20 percent higher than the national average of vaccinations administered in Germany.

Many Dutch people attended a vaccination marathon this weekend in Duisburg, not far from Venlo.

Anyone who had a Covid-19 vaccination in the Netherlands will receive a nationally and internationally valid QR code in the CoronaCheck app. The booster shot can be obtained three months after the last vaccination or recovery from Covid-19. The goal is for all adults who want a booster shot to receive one by the end of January.

[Zizu]

the numbers in hospital with omicron are tiny (less than 200) against the massive infection rate. Of that number in hospital we dont even know the reason for them being in hospital, most may not be omicron induced. Of those that are in hospital because of omicron, what % were boostered. Under any circumstance, its unlikely that figure is more than a handful

Thats not making things up, its looking at actual numbers in hospital as a baseline.


Those are not figures to be in a panic about.


We’re only two or three weeks into the Omicron wave though .. nobody knows what’s gonna happen and there lies the problem.


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[Zizu]

they call LBC and Talkradio pretty much daily. WHole shows are dedicated to "call in if you work for the NHS"(Particularly, in and A&E or ICU). In fact Andrew Castle did that very show yesterday. And I dont think over the last 2 years has a job been more scrutinised and in the news than A & E and ICU.


I listen to LBC , BBC 5 and TalkRadio/ TalkSport ... the thing is there’s no guarantee they are who/what they say they are - it’s just a voice who could be anyone and they do occasionally get caught out by the radio host and just hang up ..

Now there are so many Covid deniers ( who are far more determined/convinced than the ones like myself ) who just listen to the two medical guys ... Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance

Those deniers / conspiracy theorists will say anything to undermine the official line .


I’ll take anything said by Chris and Patrick over everything spouted out by crazy conspiracy theorists .


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[Crimson Dynamo]

The chief executive of the UK Health Security Agency and head of NHS Test and Trace Jennie Harries giving out wrong data/information

n5uzrn4e0Wg

[bots]

you will note that the countries with the most testing have the steepest rises in infection, that's no coincidence, japan does next to no testing and has a flat line.

[Zizu]

The chief executive of the UK Health Security Agency and head of NHS Test and Trace Jennie Harries giving out wrong data/information

n5uzrn4e0Wg


I like this guy and subscribe to his channel - I will still feel happier if things are no worse in a month’s time .
It’s interesting to see what he says about the fabulously high uk immunity levels [at around 8:10] thanks to Boris’s vaccine program ..

Note the increased hospitalisations in London [at around 13:34 ].. which will probably occur everywhere else in the uk - that’s my concern albeit unknown.
He kinda plays DOWN the rise in hospital cases in the last few days ( in London ) when it’s clearly quite a dramatic increase. I’m not sure why he does this though ..
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[arista]

Germany has brought in,
it's Strict
show you have had the Vaccines
to enter a shop.

Or proof you had a Legit test.

Ref:France24HD

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHmuRgpXoAACbwn?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

[Belgian anti-vaxxer kickboxing champion,
41 known as The Undertaker.
Dies of Covid-19.]

[Frederic Sinistra died of complications relating
to the virus in Ciney, Belgium,
weeks after discharging himself from
a hospital in Liege and telling followers
he would treat his symptoms from home.]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/26/19/52240463-10345933-image-m-96_1640548268935.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/26/19/52240471-10345933-image-a-88_1640547102214.jpg


Being Anti Vax
was his tragic mistake.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10345933/Anti-vaxxer-kickboxing-champion-refused-acknowledge-Covid-discharged-dies.html

[arista]

Israel Hospital Staff

50 health workers all got their 4th Pfizer Vaccine
today.

Over 60's, are also due to receive it
once it is signed off at the end of the week.

CNN HD reporter in Israel

[arista]

USA
has had 170,000 children infected with Covid-19
this past week.

Reported on Gravitas WION HD

[arista]

Monday 27/12/21

143 have Died
98,515 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,240

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
842



148,003 Total Covid-19 UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Monday 27/12/21

143 have Died
98,515 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,240

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
842



148,003 Total Covid-19 UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Wednesday 3/11/21

217 have Died
41,299 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
9,538

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
1,030


140,964 Total UK Deaths

[Toy Soldier]

they call LBC and Talkradio pretty much daily. WHole shows are dedicated to "call in if you work for the NHS"(Particularly, in and A&E or ICU). In fact Andrew Castle did that very show yesterday. And I dont think over the last 2 years has a job been more scrutinised and in the news than A & E and ICU.


Is that a “no” then?

The NHS is struggling. It struggled significantly during the first two waves (early 2020 and last winter) and has had ropey periods throughout Delta. That’s in terms of Covid care. In terms of other types of care (all sorts of things, from cancer to basic A&E care) it’s falling apart at the seams. That’s not a “myth” or an “old chestnut”, it’s the simple facts. Not enough staff already, haemorrhaging more staff because conditions and public attitude are so bad, and then vast numbers more ending up off sick with Covid.

Just because you can’t see what’s going on underneath the surface, doesn’t mean things are fine. I appreciate that it makes some people feel better to continue lying to themselves and pretending it’s all rainbows. The health service is in big, big trouble.

[bots]

There will be no further covid measures before the new year in england - so says the health secretary

[arista]

Yes and 90% of the New Covid Cases
are Omicron milder Covid-19

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is that a “no” then?

The NHS is struggling. It struggled significantly during the first two waves (early 2020 and last winter) and has had ropey periods throughout Delta. That’s in terms of Covid care. In terms of other types of care (all sorts of things, from cancer to basic A&E care) it’s falling apart at the seams. That’s not a “myth” or an “old chestnut”, it’s the simple facts. Not enough staff already, haemorrhaging more staff because conditions and public attitude are so bad, and then vast numbers more ending up off sick with Covid.

Just because you can’t see what’s going on underneath the surface, doesn’t mean things are fine. I appreciate that it makes some people feel better to continue lying to themselves and pretending it’s all rainbows. The health service is in big, big trouble.


No one save you is saying its fine, its in constant not fit for purpose state every year never mind covid, its poorly run and not the envy of any country. But the whole of the UK should not be held to ransom to protect its failings.

More than 60 NHS chiefs earn more than Prime Minister's £142k

My point is it's used as the silver bullet to get restrictions through everytime by the very people (successive governments) responsible for its decline (does not matter which party)

As for if you dont personally know someone point, that is just bollocks

[Crimson Dynamo]

There will be no further covid measures before the new year in england - so says the health secretary

Good news

[Toy Soldier]

No one save you is saying its fine, its in constant not fit for purpose state every year never mind covid, its poorly run and not the envy of any country. But the whole of the UK should not be held to ransom to protect its failings.

True but the claim appears to be (?) that Covid hasn’t made things worse or won’t continue to make it worse. Which is simply a lie. Sure the NHS is on thin ice, but that doesn’t mean you declare “meh it’s thin ice anyway!” And start throwing rocks onto it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

True but the claim appears to be (?) that Covid hasn’t made things worse or won’t continue to make it worse. Which is simply a lie. Sure the NHS is on thin ice, but that doesn’t mean you declare “meh it’s thin ice anyway!” And start throwing rocks onto it.

I feel its used as a get out of jail free card when politicians are killing whole industries with restrictions that are clearly made on very poor modeling that was instigated solely to justify restrictions


The NHS budget was £33 billion when Tony Blair came to power in 1997; it has quadrupled to over £150 billion. The NHS capacity crisis, however, has persisted throughout. General and acute bed numbers fell from 181,000 beds in 1987 to just over 100,000 before the pandemic. Despite the backdrop of a steadily ageing population: the number aged 85 or over is predicted to double in 20 years. (spectator report)

[Crimson Dynamo]

The number of people in hospital with coronavirus in England is less than half
what it was this time last year, despite there being three times as many
reported cases, figures show.

As the government met with scientists to decide whether to impose new
restrictions, the latest hospital data showed there were 7,536 patients in
hospital on December 26, compared to 18,350 on the same day last year.


The current figure has risen slightly after falling in recent weeks, and is now at
around the same level as on November 1 (7,535).

The latest data showed that reported coronavirus cases fell to 98,000 from
103,000 in England on Monday. The numbers from the other devolved nations,
as well as hospital admissions, will be updated on Tuesday.

DT just now

[Crimson Dynamo]

There is no economic or social equivalent of Sage offering parallel advice about mental health, other diseases, damage to employment sectors, damage to children and so on

And it is a huge problem that will only grow and grow

[bots]

Sage is just an advisory body, the same as countless other advisory body's. The problem as i see it is that the media give them too much weight and if the media don't get the outcome they want, they pick an individual from that body to re-enforce their agenda. It's not that sage are doing a bad job, it's just their advice is but one part of a bigger picture and that is something the media dont readily admit

[arista]

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[Beastie]

The PM is living it up from abroad. :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

[Belgian anti-vaxxer kickboxing champion,
41 known as The Undertaker.
Dies of Covid-19.]

[Frederic Sinistra died of complications relating
to the virus in Ciney, Belgium,
weeks after discharging himself from
a hospital in Liege and telling followers
he would treat his symptoms from home.]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/26/19/52240463-10345933-image-m-96_1640548268935.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/26/19/52240471-10345933-image-a-88_1640547102214.jpg


Being Anti Vax
was his tragic mistake.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10345933/Anti-vaxxer-kickboxing-champion-refused-acknowledge-Covid-discharged-dies.html

That's horrifying to hear about.

[Mystic Mock]

Is that a “no” then?

The NHS is struggling. It struggled significantly during the first two waves (early 2020 and last winter) and has had ropey periods throughout Delta. That’s in terms of Covid care. In terms of other types of care (all sorts of things, from cancer to basic A&E care) it’s falling apart at the seams. That’s not a “myth” or an “old chestnut”, it’s the simple facts. Not enough staff already, haemorrhaging more staff because conditions and public attitude are so bad, and then vast numbers more ending up off sick with Covid.

Just because you can’t see what’s going on underneath the surface, doesn’t mean things are fine. I appreciate that it makes some people feel better to continue lying to themselves and pretending it’s all rainbows. The health service is in big, big trouble.

I still don't get after the first wave why our Government still refused to properly fund our NHS?

[arista]

The PM is living it up from abroad. :laugh:


Says who?


Its been reported he and his wife and kids
are at Chequers

[arista]

Professor Ashton
is Live on LBC.

A guest to MP Lammy.

He says after a few weeks we will find
out how England is doing under Johnson's plan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ashton_(public_health_director)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Professor Ashton
is Live on LBC.

A guest to MP Lammy.

He says after a few weeks we will find
out how England is doing under Johnson's plan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ashton_(public_health_director)

about as helpful as saying when May comes we will see how successful Klopp or Peps plan has been. Yeah mate we know how hindsight works

[arista]

United States
CDC cuts isolation time for asymptomatic COVID-19 cases to 5 days.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/cdc-cuts-quarantine-time-all-americans-with-covid-19-5-days-2021-12-27/

[bots]

the whole point of restrictions is supposed to be to stop the nhs being overwhelmed and as the nhs has less than half the patients it had at this time last year, why would we have restrictions

The whole omicron thing will be done and dusted by mid january

[arista]

CNN HD went live to their reporter
in Italy.
By Law, all must have a Mask on, outside.

[Crimson Dynamo]

'Mass deaths and hospitalisations are now history': Vaccines expert backs PM's
light-touch Covid measures as hospital admissions fall to half of level last
Christmas despite record-breaking Omicron infection surge

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/28/09/52288713-10349579-Professor_Sir_John_Bell_regius_professor_of_medici ne_at_Oxford_U-a-42_1640684813049.jpg


Professor Sir John Bell said the public had been 'pretty responsible' so far as he said decision was 'fine'
Oxford don said 'horrific scenes' of overwhelmed NHS 'is now history in my view' as he backed PM
Despite surge in Omicron variant cases, figures on hospital admissions down 50% on December 2020
Stats reveal 842 Covid patients in ICU on ventilators - the lowest in two months


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10349579/Mass-deaths-hospitalisations-history-Vaccines-expert-backs-PMs-Covid-measures.html

[arista]

Yes Sir John Bell
needs to go on all 3 TV news.

[arista]

USA now says If you are getting better
just 5 Days isolation.
But you must then have a mask on for 5 days.


CNN HD Live

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nightclubs and pubs in England are expecting coach loads of Scots wanting to celebrate
Hogmanay after Nicola Sturgeon closed some venues and forced others to operate with
one-metre social distancing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

Numbers delayed until 5:30PM

[Zizu]

2HN6cIfp5T4


I follow this guy .. he seems to be a decent enough bloke and appears to be very knowledgable - he kinda presents as being the ‘level headed one’ and plays down everything - for example he described the rise at the end of this graph as ‘slight’ :)

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Mr Johnson deserves credit for his readiness to withstand the bombardment
from scientists and opposition politicians for ever more draconian controls
even as the risks recede. He has sought to keep a sense of perspective by
responding to
real-world experience rather than modelling and he needs to stick with it.
Scientists argue that we cannot be sure what will happen next so we had
better be safe. But that is a recipe for paralysis when we must adapt to live
with the virus.

It is extraordinary that with most people vaccinated, many three times, and
with millions developing natural protection we need to endure another winter of controls.
School closures have even been mooted in the event of further Covid
outbreaks. Why? The children are hardly affected and if they are ill they should stayhome.
The constant testing and classroom shutdowns are having a dreadful impact on education
and the mental wellbeing of our youngest people


DT Leader

[Nicky91]

Mr Johnson deserves credit for his readiness to withstand the bombardment
from scientists and opposition politicians for ever more draconian controls
even as the risks recede. He has sought to keep a sense of perspective by
responding to
real-world experience rather than modelling and he needs to stick with it.
Scientists argue that we cannot be sure what will happen next so we had
better be safe. But that is a recipe for paralysis when we must adapt to live
with the virus.

It is extraordinary that with most people vaccinated, many three times, and
with millions developing natural protection we need to endure another winter of controls.
School closures have even been mooted in the event of further Covid
outbreaks. Why? The children are hardly affected and if they are ill they should stayhome.
The constant testing and classroom shutdowns are having a dreadful impact on education
and the mental wellbeing of our youngest people


DT Leader

mental wellbeing of our youngest people bull****


youth again attention seeking for sympathies :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

mental wellbeing of our youngest people bull****


youth again attention seeking for sympathies :joker:

why are you mocking mental health?

[Nicky91]

why are you mocking mental health?

i'm not

i am mocking those fake youths


aw boo hoo you cannot party and get laid, that is only thing what youths think of so they are irrelevant to society

[bots]

I follow this guy .. he seems to be a decent enough bloke and appears to be very knowledgable - he kinda presents as being the ‘level headed one’ and plays down everything - for example he described the rise at the end of this graph as ‘slight’ :)

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it is a slight rise though when matched against the infection rate which has gone through the roof. That is the point he is making

[Nicky91]

people with real mental health issues do not even think of going out


oh yes i can know this because i have mental illness myself with my autism



most with real mental health problems are very introverted




so those youths who cannot go out to party and then cry for attention how it is affecting them mentally, they mock mental health not me

[arista]

Tuesday 28/12/21

18 have Died
129,471 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available -No Change from yesterday (8,240)

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available - No Change from yesterday (842)


148,021 Total Covid-19 UK Deaths



https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Evidence from the UK suggests Australia should have backed AstraZeneca

Evidence from the UK has sparked concern that Australia backed the wrong
Covid vaccine, with one vaccine tipped to last forever.

Evidence from the United Kingdom shows Australia may have backed the wrong
Covid vaccine, with the maligned AstraZeneca jab offering potential protection
from the virus for life.

Early research has shown that Britain’s wide use of the Oxford University-made
jab in vulnerable people may be behind the country’s lower death toll
compared to Europe in recent months.


AZ is the predominant vaccine in the UK for those aged over 40.

“If you look across Europe, with the rise in cases, there‘s also a
corresponding lagged rise in deaths, but not in the UK, and we have to
understand that,’ he told the UK’s Daily Telegraph newspaper.


“I personally believe that‘s because most of our vulnerable people were given
the AstraZeneca vaccine.

“We‘ve seen early data that the Oxford jab produces a very durable cellular
response and if you’ve got a durable cellular immunity response then they
can last for a long time.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/evidence-from-the-uk-suggests-australia-should-have-backed-astrazeneca/news-story/4669c6aec0ffda8a0679af848f1adce3

“It can last for life in some cases.”

[Zizu]

it is a slight rise though when matched against the infection rate which has gone through the roof. That is the point he is making


I’m no stats geek but to my mind this isn’t as slight rise at the end ..

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This is what I’d call a slight rise ..
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[Zizu]

Yikes the new infections figure will be frightening by Tuesday I reckon..



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130,000 is rather concerning ..


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[arista]

130,000 is rather concerning ..





Yes, a larger amount infected
but many could be the milder Omicron Variant, of course

We need Delta amounts
and Omicron Amounts

Ch4HDnews stated the numbers are incomplete

[bots]

130,000 is rather concerning ..


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the faster people are infected, the quicker things will return to normal. This will be over by mid january

[arista]

the faster people are infected, the quicker things will return to normal. This will be over by mid january


But there is a major problem
in the World. So many have not had a Vaccine,
and that's how they say more
Variants will appear.

[bots]

we need variants so that it becomes less dangerous and we will never stop variants ever, thats a fact. Anything that takes over now will need to infect quicker than omicron. We are nearing the end of covid being a serious threat

[arista]

From SkyNewsHD
a Pub Owner,
in Wales, said many will now Cross the Bridge and go to a Bristol Pub.

[Zizu]

the faster people are infected, the quicker things will return to normal. This will be over by mid january


Which January

:)


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[Zizu]

we need variants so that it becomes less dangerous and we will never stop variants ever, thats a fact. Anything that takes over now will need to infect quicker than omicron. We are nearing the end of covid being a serious threat


Hopefully that’s correct ... some experts agree whilst others have suggested that we may have to ‘cope’ with some form or other for the next 10 years.

Who’s to say the next but one variant Isn’t going to be more virulent AND more deadly ??

Nobody really knows .. it’s the uncertainty that’s the problem for many people


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[Zizu]

Yes, a larger amount infected
but many could be the milder Omicron Variant, of course

We need Delta amounts
and Omicron Amounts

Ch4HDnews stated the numbers are incomplete


The problem is that even if they are the omicron variant which may or may not be milder there is still the chance of a huge number of hospitalisations ...

For arguments sake ... if 10 % of Delta need hospitalisations whilst only 2% of Omicron need hospital treatment BUT there’s 10 times more infections (130,000 just today ) then that’s still double the ACTUAL number of people taking up hospital beds .


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[Mystic Mock]

Hopefully that’s correct ... some experts agree whilst others have suggested that we may have to ‘cope’ with some form or other for the next 10 years.

Who’s to say the next but one variant Isn’t going to be more virulent AND more deadly ??

Nobody really knows .. it’s the uncertainty that’s the problem for many people


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The latter is scaremongering from the experts imo.

The more likely outcome is what BOTS has mentioned.

[Zizu]

The latter is scaremongering from the experts imo.

The more likely outcome is what BOTS has mentioned.


But we don’t know ... is the point ...


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[bots]

Yes, a larger amount infected
but many could be the milder Omicron Variant, of course

We need Delta amounts
and Omicron Amounts

Ch4HDnews stated the numbers are incomplete

90%+ infections are omicron now

[Zizu]

90%+ infections are omicron now


But we don’t know for sure how this variant is gonna play out . The first stats for it were apparently 11/12/21 which is just over two weeks ago ..

The data the government have been looking at was based on just 132 Omicron patients which is bollox imho


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[Toy Soldier]

https://petsreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/4-10.jpg

This thread honestly

[Crimson Dynamo]

But we don’t know for sure how this variant is gonna play out . The first stats for it were apparently 11/12/21 which is just over two weeks ago ..

The data the government have been looking at was based on just 132 Omicron patients which is bollox imho


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We have solid data from SA and so far it's been bang on

[bots]

But we don’t know for sure how this variant is gonna play out . The first stats for it were apparently 11/12/21 which is just over two weeks ago ..

The data the government have been looking at was based on just 132 Omicron patients which is bollox imho


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the time to hospitalisation with omicron is apparently 5 days, much faster than delta. Everything is compressed, infection time, severity and time to hospitalisation. So we actually have plenty evidence. The number of omicron patients in hospital is now just over 200, 30% of those were admitted for something other than covid

The number of patients requiring oxygen, the important stat, is going down, and the overwhelming majority of those are patients with delta

[Lewismacfarlane]

My mum's tested positive I'm now isolating until next Friday new year has been cancelled for our family

[bots]

My mum's tested positive I'm now isolating until next Friday new year has been cancelled for our family

hope she gets better soon!

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

My mum's tested positive I'm now isolating until next Friday new year has been cancelled for our family

Just isolate till Thursday?

[arista]

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[Zizu]

the time to hospitalisation with omicron is apparently 5 days, much faster than delta. Everything is compressed, infection time, severity and time to hospitalisation. So we actually have plenty evidence. The number of omicron patients in hospital is now just over 200, 30% of those were admitted for something other than covid

The number of patients requiring oxygen, the important stat, is going down, and the overwhelming majority of those are patients with delta


So 200 is a tiny number to be basing decisions on imho

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[Zizu]

We have solid data from SA and so far it's been bang on


The South African population is far younger than ours apparently plus they were hit harder by the previous variants due to lower vaccination levels - In South Africa, researchers estimate that about 70 percent of people had Covid infections before the Omicron wave.

As such we cannot make decisions based on their data ... that’s the official line nit mine .. we can take an overall view if and add that info to our data


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[bots]

So 200 is a tiny number to be basing decisions on imho


No, 200 is a tiny number given that omicron has been rampant for a good few weeks now. I love you Zizu, but please stop trying to be negative all the time. We have factual data now, omicron is nothing like the threat that delta or any previous variant has been, and it has been the same experience for everyone around the world

[Zizu]

No, 200 is a tiny number given that omicron has been rampant for a good few weeks now. I love you Zizu, but please stop trying to be negative all the time. We have factual data now, omicron is nothing like the threat that delta or any previous variant has been, and it has been the same experience for everyone around the world


To be fair some of my posts are positive

My caution is shared by many doctors and microbiologists .. I’m not exactly a lone voice


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[Crimson Dynamo]

The South African population is far younger than ours apparently plus they were hit harder by the previous variants due to lower vaccination levels - In South Africa, researchers estimate that about 70 percent of people had Covid infections before the Omicron wave.

As such we cannot make decisions based on their data ... that’s the official line nit mine .. we can take an overall view if and add that info to our data


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So everything they have said about this strain has been true and the UK has followed suit

And what else do you have?

[Mystic Mock]

https://petsreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/4-10.jpg

This thread honestly

Tbf it's the Scientists that are saying that Omicron is milder.

[Mystic Mock]

Although I can understand the Doctors in fairness are scared of a more deadly variant.

Hopefully though Covid will keep mellowing.:fc:

[Zizu]

So everything they have said about this strain has been true and the UK has followed suit

And what else do you have?


This is the official line from Jenny Harries chief executive of the UKHSA .

Are you really happy to bet all your chips on this ?


I paraphrase... “ our latest analysis shows an ENCOURAGING EARLY SIGNAL that people who contract Omicron MAY be at a SLIGHTLY lower risk of needing hospitalisation “ .

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[bots]

Jenny Harries has not been very accurate in her assessment of omicron. She and a few others have been way off the mark. If people are going to speak with authority, accuracy is everything, else they lose credibility. Her credibility has taken a big hit in the last few weeks

[arista]

The Scottish Leader
is going to be Live from 2PM
what new Restrictions does she now want?
Of course, Scotland is still on 10 days, for Isolation


Debated with a Scottish Journalist
in the studio
Live on GBnewsHD


BBC1AM
had the Deputy SNP leader
who gave nothing up.

[Lewismacfarlane]

1 day down nine days to go

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jenny Harries has not been very accurate in her assessment of omicron. She and a few others have been way off the mark. If people are going to speak with authority, accuracy is everything, else they lose credibility. Her credibility has taken a big hit in the last few weeks

the last thing she did was talk about Delta strain statistics when she meant Omnicron thus giving hugely exaggerated stats

[Nicky91]

Belgium: https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/en/2021/12/29/cultural-sector-to-reopen-after-council-of-state-ruling/

Cultural sector to reopen after Council of State ruling: "Measures were disproportionate"

The Council of State has suspended the government's decision to close the cultural sector as part of a spate of measures to curb the spreading of corona virus. Theatre rooms, concert halls, operas and probably also cinemas will be allowed to reopen under conditions.

The different Belgian governments had come together on 22 December to work out new corona restrictions in a new Consultative Committee. They decided to ban all cultural events like theatre shows, operas and small concerts, although these were only possible with a maximum of 200 guests indoors, while respecting other corona rules such as social distancing, face masks and a corona passport.

The pubs and restaurants were allowed to stay open meanwhile, as were outdoor Christmas markets, non-essential shops etc. The cultural sector found the new restrictions - which applied as from last Sunday - unfair and took the matter to the Council of State. They won the case: the Council of State called the closure "a disproportionate measure" which "lacked an adequate motivation".

Back to the old situation
Cultural events with up to 200 people will be possible again, and cinemas are also expected to get the green light to reopen, though this still has to be decided by the different government this morning.

It is expected that they will go back to the situation as it was just before the last Consultative Committee, with a maximum of 200 people allowed in indoor venues.

"Historic ruling"
The cultural sector had staged several protest against the latest restrictions and is happy that they won the case. Actor and director Stany Crets calls the ruling of the Council of State "historic, not only for the cultural sector but also for the government's corona policies in general".

Stany Crets and the former actor Michaël Pas, two frontrunners of the cultural protests, underlined that while the ruling sets a first, it is still mainly symbolic for the cultural sector as crowds of maximum 200 people are much too small to make a profit. "However, politicians will have to think twice in the future before taking disproportionate corona measures."



oops

[arista]

Johnson PM has been speaking
from another Hospital visit
with a mask on.

He says sorry to say
but the hospitals are full of the unvaccinated.

Johnson also said there are many who had the 2 vaccines
but not gone, the booster?


The Reporter asked what about Wales and Scotland
people crossing the border at NYE.
He ignored that
but said make sure you are well ventilated

The Reporter just said Final question from ITN
"where have you been the last 10 days?"

Johnson said "I have been in this country"

[Vanessa]

So far masks are keeping our workplace pretty safe.
So we continue wearing them.
But the best thing to to do protect yourself is get vaccinated.

[arista]

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Yes that is bad
he needs them

He works for Ch4HDnews and LBC

[Vanessa]

1476137400934211587



Yes that is bad
he needs them

He works for Ch4HDnews and LBC
I still have some. Got them from the pharmacy

[arista]

I still have some. Got them from the pharmacy


Alot, have Stock Piled them

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2021/12/29/cabinet-decide-monday-extended-school-closure-de-jonge-warns-omicron-optimism
Netherlands: Cabinet to decide Monday on extended school closure; De Jonge warns against Omicron optimism

The caretaker Cabinet of the Netherlands said it wants schools to be able to open from January 10, after the winter holidays, but that a decision on the issue will be made on Monday. The decision could depend on new advice from the Outbreak Management Team (OMT).

Primary schools and after-school care were closed from December 17, one week before the winter break was set to start. Initially, after-school care was going to be allowed to reopen on December 27, but that changed with the hasty announcement of a hard lockdown as a precaution against the Omicron variant of the coronavirus. At that press conference a week and a half ago, the Cabinet closed secondary schools and higher education, and extended the closure of after-school care.

Forecasts showed that the Omicron variant could trigger a huge new wave of coronavirus infections. Without the strict lockdown measures, the healthcare sector would be in danger of becoming overloaded.

There are "bright spots" in more recent data about the Omicron variant, but Health Minister Hugo de Jonge said he was wary of being too optimistic about the situation. "The virus has rarely surprised us in a positive way."

British research now shows that although the Omicron variant spreads much faster than the Delta variant, it may also be less pathogenic. "But be careful, we don't know enough to say that it will not be so bad," warned De Jonge.

Just before Christmas, the OMT wrote in a recommendation that more research data is needed to draw firm conclusions. The experts expect to conclude that phase of their work next week, and will produce new advice based on it.

According to De Jonge, education will play a central role in policy note. The Cabinet prefers to allow schools to reopen on schedule, he said. "But if the same OMT advice shows another perspective, the Cabinet will of course consider it," said the minister.

[Crimson Dynamo]

British research now shows that although the Omicron variant spreads much faster than the Delta variant, it may also be less pathogenic. "But be careful, we don't know enough to say that it will not be so bad," warned De Jonge.

Every scrap of evidence says that ^^^ is scaremongering BS

[Vicky.]

Kinda surprised this **** is still going on to be honest. How long will the press/governments try to scare people with 'shock' new variants when of course there will be new ****ing variants, forever. And those who wish to be vaccinated have already been so so hows about the promised getting on with it that we were told for ages. Vaccine is endgame. As we were repeatedly told. And we cannot force people to have it, sets off down a fairly dangerous road that one..

[Nicky91]

uh huh, people vaccinated, and still they get infected with covid, and some even end up in hospital

how do we explain that?

[Crimson Dynamo]

uh huh, people vaccinated, and still they get infected with covid, and some even end up in hospital

how do we explain that?

Omicron causes just a quarter of deaths as previous waves, first data suggests


Researchers looking at South Africa said there had been a clear decoupling of
cases, hospitalisations and deaths compared with other waves

They found that just 4.5 per cent died during the omicron wave, compared
with 21.3 per cent before the variant took hold.

The team said that if the findings were reproduced globally there would be a
‘complete decoupling of case and death rates’ that would end the epidemic
and usher in an endemic phase.

Although the population is younger in South Africa, which would keep death
rates lower, Britain has higher levels of vaccination and seroprevalence.

Writing in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, the authors
concluded: “There was decreased severity of disease in the omicron-driven
fourth wave in the City of Tshwane, its first global epicentre, with fewer
deaths, ICU admissions and a shorter length of stay.

“There are clear signs that case and admission rates in South Africa may
decline further over the next few weeks.

“If this pattern continues and is repeated globally, we are likely to see a
complete decoupling of case and death rates suggesting that omicron may be
a harbinger of the end of the epidemic phase of the Covid pandemic
ushering in its endemic phase.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/29/omicron-causes-just-quarter-deaths-previous-waves-first-data/

I note Nicola made no mention of this but had the data suggested the opposite her the Holland bloke and Dripford would be shouting about it from the rooftops

disgusting

[Zizu]

Omicron causes just a quarter of deaths as previous waves, first data suggests


Researchers looking at South Africa said there had been a clear decoupling of
cases, hospitalisations and deaths compared with other waves

They found that just 4.5 per cent died during the omicron wave, compared
with 21.3 per cent before the variant took hold.

The team said that if the findings were reproduced globally there would be a
‘complete decoupling of case and death rates’ that would end the epidemic
and usher in an endemic phase.

Although the population is younger in South Africa, which would keep death
rates lower, Britain has higher levels of vaccination and seroprevalence.

Writing in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, the authors
concluded: “There was decreased severity of disease in the omicron-driven
fourth wave in the City of Tshwane, its first global epicentre, with fewer
deaths, ICU admissions and a shorter length of stay.

“There are clear signs that case and admission rates in South Africa may
decline further over the next few weeks.

“If this pattern continues and is repeated globally, we are likely to see a
complete decoupling of case and death rates suggesting that omicron may be
a harbinger of the end of the epidemic phase of the Covid pandemic
ushering in its endemic phase.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/29/omicron-causes-just-quarter-deaths-previous-waves-first-data/

I note Nicola made no mention of this but had the data suggested the opposite her the Holland bloke and Dripford would be shouting about it from the rooftops

disgusting


So if it causes a quarter of deaths compared to other variants that’s clearly a positive BUT if it’s ten times more virulent and doubles every 3 days then it’s possibly irrelevant that it’s only 25% as dangerous as the others. It could still cause many more hospitalisations and / or deaths


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[bots]

So if it causes a quarter of deaths compared to other variants that’s clearly a positive BUT if it’s ten times more virulent and doubles every 3 days then it’s possibly irrelevant that it’s only 25% as dangerous as the others. It could still cause many more hospitalisations and / or deaths


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thats in the people hospitalised though and as the number being hospitalised because of boosters etc is tiny, its then a much lower percentage of a much lower percentage. Omicron is the best thing that could have happened with covid, and its about time deniers start acknowledging it

Another fact based on actual data is that the average length of stay in hospital before recovery from omicron is 3 days, down from 14+ days with delta

[Crimson Dynamo]

thats in the people hospitalised though and as the number being hospitalised because of boosters etc is tiny, its then a much lower percentage of a much lower percentage. Omicron is the best thing that could have happened with covid, and its about time deniers start acknowledging it

Another fact based on actual data is that the average length of stay in hospital before recovery from omicron is 3 days, down from 14+ days with delta

Delta cases right down now thanks to Omicron

[Crimson Dynamo]

Results from South Africa are painting a reassuring picture: there, cases have peaked,
rates of hospitalisation are coming down. Reported risk of severe illness with omicron is
about 80 per cent lower than with delta.


Paul Hunter, professor in medicine at East Anglia, said on Tuesday that we should look
to scrap self-isolation in 2022 as Covid’s symptoms reduce to something akin to the
common cold.

So far in the pandemic, the country has been divided on how to deal with spikes in
cases: there’s those who favour a light touch approach and those who want imposed
restraint. Perhaps now is the moment we can look beyond these arguments, toward a
near future where Covid lives with us and we with it. Because what most people do
agree on is that periodically pummelling our pubs and entertainment venues, paralysing
the economy, denting education and destabilising the nation’s mental health to control
outbreaks of variants with uncertain characteristics is just not a sustainable long-term
proposition. As one elderly care home resident put it to me recently: “This is not living.
So what am I living for?”

DR CHRIS SMITH
CONSULTANT VIROLOGIST AND LECTURER, CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY

GOOD FULL ARTICLE HERE: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/time-embrace-plan-lwc/

[arista]

[Because of a delay in receiving data
for Northern Ireland,
today's update is delayed]

[arista]

[Scotland's new coronavirus restrictions
expected to last for three weeks,
Nicola Sturgeon says.]

[New COVID restrictions in Scotland will be
in place until 17 January, as she urged people
to "stay at home right now more than normal".]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-scotlands-new-coronavirus-restrictions-expected-to-last-for-three-weeks-nicola-sturgeon-says-12505772

[Crimson Dynamo]

Seven times fewer Covid 'cases' are ending up in hospital now compared to England's devastating second wave, official data suggests as proof that Omicron is milder continues to pile up.

[bots]

From CNN HD
reporter in Paris.

France has new high level
of Infections above 208,000 today.

just as well they closed the border to people from the uk :joker:

[arista]

29/12/21

57 Have Died
183,087 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available NO Update

Patients in ventilation beds NO Update


148,089 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

thats in the people hospitalised though and as the number being hospitalised because of boosters etc is tiny, its then a much lower percentage of a much lower percentage. Omicron is the best thing that could have happened with covid, and its about time deniers start acknowledging it

Another fact based on actual data is that the average length of stay in hospital before recovery from omicron is 3 days, down from 14+ days with delta


It all sounds very hopeful .. thank the lawd .

I do worry about the future variants though .. we surely can’t assume that Covid won’t throw us a curve ball


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[bots]

29/12/21

57 Have Died
183,087 Have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available NO Update

Patients in ventilation beds NO Update


148,089 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

the number of deaths will have caught up by now after christmas, and that looks like a much lower figure

[arista]

1476212244723732486


Anti Vaxxers Punks


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHyRqREXsAApn3C?format=jpg&name=small


6:30PM Ch4HDnews showed a clip of this.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHyaUeCXMAILxjL?format=jpg&name=small

Arrest Her.

[Crimson Dynamo]

fVbV9-JeU0w


NIGEL DISCUSSES THE BOOSTER

[arista]

1476263154002837505

[arista]

A Doctor on Ch4HDnews
said stop calling it a Booster
he said it is the 3rd jab.

[arista]

NIGEL DISCUSSES THE BOOSTER

He is Live now on 7PM show.
One True point he just said
is People go into the Hospital
for another reason - but then Catch Covid-19


Point of Order his Mate Trump has had the Booster



On his show
he had a Top Doctor, older than him
who confirmed having the Booster
will mean he will get Protection.


Farage is he has not made his mind up
Bollocks to him.

We do not need to debate his fear.
His Mate Trump got the Booster.


A Top Doctor gave him the Truth

[Beso]

Farage is he has not made his mind up
Bollocks to him.
[/QUOTE]



Maybe send them to sturgeon instead, cause she needs a pair.

[Zizu]

fVbV9-JeU0w


NIGEL DISCUSSES THE BOOSTER


Does anyone take Farage seriously


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[Lewismacfarlane]

Me mum and dad got pcr tests today

[Crimson Dynamo]

Does anyone take Farage seriously


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More than takes whitty

[Zizu]

More than takes whitty


Hardly


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[Toy Soldier]

It all sounds very hopeful .. thank the lawd .

I do worry about the future variants though .. we surely can’t assume that Covid won’t throw us a curve ball


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Virus strains TEND not to become more symptomatically severe over time, after all its a living organism and living organisms evolve to survive - for a virus that actually means that the "Best" version is one that spreads quickly whilst damaging the pool of hosts as little as possible. A "perfect" virus would be easy to catch but completely asymptomatic.

That doesn't mean it's not possible mind you. Just less likely.

[Mystic Mock]

1476212244723732486


Anti Vaxxers Punks


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHyRqREXsAApn3C?format=jpg&name=small


6:30PM Ch4HDnews showed a clip of this.

Hopefully the law will punish them.

[Zizu]

Hopefully the law will punish them.


Well their faces are on clear view ... bet they wish they could wear masks to hide their identity :)

Seriously though ... they probably won’t get charged but they could be named and shamed on the media sites !


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[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/3181/production/_122537621_thei-nc.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/11D0D/production/_122537927_financialtimes-nc.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/16619/production/_122537619_guardian-nc.png

[arista]

A Early Mirror Front Page
the 2nd version is on the Maxwell thread

With that smiling criminal anti vaxxer who entered the Milton Keynes
Vaccination outside centre.

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-10cb3996-0b2e-43ac-95ce-1210868dc488.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[arista]

The Online Only, Front page

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-b8788779-c31e-4c87-8982-165e7027083e.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[Toy Soldier]

Nothing to see here, there won't be any strain on health services...

[Zizu]

Nothing to see here, there won't be any strain on health services...


I’ll bookmark this assurance... just in case


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[Nicky91]

posting it here since it also has a few predictions towards covid in it for 2022, from Peru whom over there every end of the year make predictions towards the new year


Days before the arrival of 2022, a group of Peruvian shamans performed rituals on a hilltop outside Lima to make their annual predictions and wish good fortune for the coming year.

One shaman predicts the coronavirus is here to stay among us albeit in a mild form before it "disappears". Another foretells economic hardships.

"That is why we are asking for our wellbeing, for the situation to improve," said Ana Maria Simeon.

The shamans performed rituals with photographs of politicians like US President Joe Biden, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, among others.

The healers used flower petals and blew on a bull's horn during their spiritual practices.

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/south-america/perus-shamans-make-predictions-for-the-new-year-articleshow.html


was on my nation's RTL breakfast news this morning as well

[bots]

it is completely illogical to make nhs staff isolate if they are, in the majority, wearing full ppe which protects both ways

The ppe either works or it doesn't, it cant swap depending on the agenda

[Crimson Dynamo]

posting it here since it also has a few predictions towards covid in it for 2022, from Peru whom over there every end of the year make predictions towards the new year



https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/south-america/perus-shamans-make-predictions-for-the-new-year-articleshow.html


was on my nation's RTL breakfast news this morning as well

"The healers used flower petals and blew on a bull's horn during their spiritual practices."

coincidently, that is what the Sage modeling team use!

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FH2V9JdXMAU_haE?format=jpg&name=small

[Crimson Dynamo]

we are not seeing dramatic increase of hospitalisation due to Omicron

80% of the current (as of 21.12.21) covid hospitalisations are not due to viral complications (ie gone into hospital for some other reason but did test pos in hosp)

OM2VgBm9pTI

[Toy Soldier]

it is completely illogical to make nhs staff isolate if they are, in the majority, wearing full ppe

You think all NHS hospital staff are in full PPE? :joker:

[Vicky.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/11D0D/production/_122537927_financialtimes-nc.png

Bahahaha at Musks satellites 'hogging space' though :D What the actual **** is so many peoples problem with this highly sucessful guy. Its bonkers.

[arista]

Bahahaha at Musks satellites 'hogging space' though :D What the actual **** is so many peoples problem with this highly successful guy. Its bonkers.


Yes, he has too many up there
and more to go up into space



The Middle section of that paper
is the return of Nightingale Type Temp Hospitals
but there is a Staff problem, Again.

[bots]

You think all NHS hospital staff are in full PPE? :joker:


the point being as you know full well, is there are methods to make sure that nhs staff are available, it's not rocket science. People really want to find problems, you have been bleating for weeks .... oh we are doomed ... oh we are all going to die .... every day, day in day out.

News flash ... we will do perfectly fine if people stop spreading panic

[Nicky91]

for now i am not taking the covid vaccine

i have my reasons, and my reasons are fair for being 98% of the time introverted, and only being at home, or in the garden outside of our home and if i hear someone in the alley next to our home i keep at least couple of metres away from that area

and also i think they are coming with a adjusted vaccine against omicron variant, what i've read

so i rather wait until early spring or something and get two jabs of that one, rather than 2 jabs now and then 2 or 3 months later another jab which is just silly

[arista]

1476262773512417283

It has been reported all the medical stuff she stole
was chucked into a bin

[arista]

Paris from Tomorrow
You must have a Mask on Outside, as well.


1476493355873886209

[Toy Soldier]

the point being as you know full well, is there are methods to make sure that nhs staff are available, it's not rocket science.

Suggesting that all NHS staff should spend all day in full PPE certainly isn’t “rocket science” because it’s utterly ludicrous as suggestions go. I mean really.

you have been bleating for weeks .... oh we are doomed ...

Where?

oh we are all going to die ....

Where?

You are flat out lying.

[Zizu]

Paris from Tomorrow
You must have a Mask on Outside, as well.


1476493355873886209


I thought we were told that wearing masks was pointless outside .. in the open air ?!?


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Paris from Tomorrow
You must have a Mask on Outside, as well.


1476493355873886209

:joker:

[arista]

China :
XI'AN 13 Million in that city
Covid is still growing
despite a tight lockdown, China
is having over 100 new cases a day

CNN HD Live

[arista]

I thought we were told that wearing masks was pointless outside .. in the open air ?!?





They are trying to Stop
Omicron & Delta from taking over.


Paris like London
lots of infections

[Crimson Dynamo]

for now i am not taking the covid vaccine

i have my reasons, and my reasons are fair for being 98% of the time introverted, and only being at home, or in the garden outside of our home and if i hear someone in the alley next to our home i keep at least couple of metres away from that area

and also i think they are coming with a adjusted vaccine against omicron variant, what i've read

so i rather wait until early spring or something and get two jabs of that one, rather than 2 jabs now and then 2 or 3 months later another jab which is just silly

all these reasons you can still have after you have had the vaccine. Think of others first.

[arista]

Confusion due to High Covid in France
and they have less Geno' testing
so they do not, what is Omicron or Delta.

People can no longer travel by road
across France to their other EU nation.
Cars turned back

Reported on all news
and LBC

[Crimson Dynamo]

They are trying to Stop
Omicron & Delta from taking over.


Paris like London
lots of infections

Omnicron has already taken over Delta is in sharp decline

all over europe

[arista]

Omnicron has already taken over Delta is in sharp decline

all over europe


Yes But France Labs
do not know which Covid it is
Unlike the UK

[arista]

512,000 New Covid Cases in USA

Report on Gravitas WION HD.

[Crimson Dynamo]

512,000 New Covid Cases in USA

Report on Gravitas WION HD.

Id imagine the real number is double what with their lack of testing.

Still, good news as Omicron gets rid of Delta

[arista]

Id imagine the real number is double what with their lack of testing.

Still, good news as Omicron gets rid of Delta


Yes, could well be so.

[bots]

i think the number of daily infections reported in america is tiny compared to the real number. They dont have access to fast testing like we have here, so the actual number could be 5 or 10 times that reported.

Even here, i reckon it will be 3 or 4 times the reported value because many people just dont want to be tracked. It's enough to know that they are positive and stay home

[MTVN]

i think the number of daily infections reported in america is tiny compared to the real number. They dont have access to fast testing like we have here, so the actual number could be 5 or 10 times that reported.

Even here, i reckon it will be 3 or 4 times the reported value because many people just dont want to be tracked. It's enough to know that they are positive and stay home

Yeah that's what I did tbh, positives on a lateral flow are reliable enough without really needing to do a pcr. The only benefit of doing a pcr really is that evidence of past infection is valid in most countries for a covid pass

[arista]

i think the number of daily infections reported in America is tiny compared to the real number. They dont have access to fast testing like we have here, so the actual number could be 5 or 10 times that reported.

Even here, i reckon it will be 3 or 4 times the reported value because many people just dont want to be tracked. It's enough to know that they are positive and stay home


Yes, many are predicting
NYE will increase it even more

[arista]

UK update delayed until 7:30PM

[Zizu]

They are trying to Stop
Omicron & Delta from taking over.


Paris like London
lots of infections


Yeah but weren’t we told masks were effective indoors where people were close together and where the air wasn’t circulating but largely ineffective, at best, outside ?


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[Zizu]

Yeah that's what I did tbh, positives on a lateral flow are reliable enough without really needing to do a pcr. The only benefit of doing a pcr really is that evidence of past infection is valid in most countries for a covid pass


Who says lateral flow tests are reliable ??

Mass testing may be helpful and necessary in certain circumstances if delivered to high quality, they explain, but the Innova lateral flow test is not fit for this purpose.

For example, in the Liverpool pilot study, 60% of infected symptomless people went undetected, including 33% of those with high viral loads who are at highest risk of infecting others.


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Yeah but weren’t we told masks were effective indoors where people were close together and where the air wasn’t circulating but largely ineffective, at best, outside ?


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Dr Muge Cevik at the University of St Andrews and colleagues argue that
outdoor transmission contributes very little to overall infection rates and
efforts should focus on reducing indoor transmission.


No confirmed sizeable covid-19 clusters or “superspreader” events have been
outdoors-only, they say. While the Sturgis Rally in South Dakota or the Rose
Garden outbreak at the White House are frequently cited as evidence for
outdoor-only superspreading events, these events had sustained and multi-
day indoor components. For instance, epidemiological investigation of Sturgis
Rally found cases linked to restaurants and workplaces.

Given the low risk of transmission outdoors, recommendations or mandates
for outdoor masking may seem arbitrary, affecting people’s trust and
sustained energy to engage in higher yield interventions, such as indoor
mask use or staying home if sick, they write.


What’s more, an outdoor mask requirement “might serve as a disincentive to be outdoors, which could worsen social isolation.”


https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/should-masks-be-worn-outdoors/

[bots]

Who says lateral flow tests are reliable ??

Mass testing may be helpful and necessary in certain circumstances if delivered to high quality, they explain, but the Innova lateral flow test is not fit for this purpose.

For example, in the Liverpool pilot study, 60% of infected symptomless people went undetected, including 33% of those with high viral loads who are at highest risk of infecting others.


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but they don't tend to show positive if you are negative, so they are not as inaccurate as you are implying

What i mean is, if they show positive you are very rarely negative

[arista]

Yeah but weren’t we told masks were effective indoors where people were close together and where the air wasn’t circulating but largely ineffective, at best, outside ?




Yes, but in some Paris Streets it gets packed.


It is only a Rule for Paris from Tomorrow

[MTVN]

but they don't tend to show positive if you are negative, so they are not as inaccurate as you are implying

What i mean is, if they show positive you are very rarely negative

Yeah this is it, you might get a false negative especially at the start of infection but it's incredibly unlikely that a positive is false especially if you're getting them multiple times

[arista]

Because of Staff
off sick due to Covid
Southern railways are not back until of Jan 10th 2022


All Media


[Others blasted Southern as the
'worst run train service in the country',
said the firm is 'chronically understaffed' and
tweeted: 'Happy New Year from Southern - impossible to get to work,
so will have to use annual leave.']

[Crimson Dynamo]

Because of Staff
off sick due to Covid
Southern railways are not back until of Jan 10th 2022


All Media

Maybe the management should contact all staff and tell them to halve the isolation period and that will get the trains back running?

[arista]

UK Update at 8PM now

[bots]

do you have a link arista, nothing on the bbc

edit ... found something, it's one line ... there are loads of others

[arista]

Maybe the management should contact all staff and tell them to halve the isolation period and that will get the trains back running?


No its
too many to contact.


They have given up
and set Monday 10th of Jan.



I bet some staff are ready and fit for work.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No its
too many to contact.


They have given up
and set Monday 10th of Jan.



I bet some staff are ready and fit for work.

id imagine most of them but if they can wag a paid holiday...

[arista]

do you have a link arista, nothing on the bbc

edit ... found something, it's one line ... there are loads of others


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10355731/Southern-Rail-cancels-services-London-Victoria-January-10.html

[arista]

id imagine most of them but if they can wag a paid holiday...


For Sure

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10355731/Southern-Rail-cancels-services-London-Victoria-January-10.html

One of the top comments

"Covid, the farcical 'pandemic' that keeps on giving...excuses to call in 'sick'."

and another

"At my workplace there are people who use up their full sick pay entitlement every year. They are experts at playing the system. Covid and self isolating has been a gift from heaven for them. They test themselves
twice a week and never want it to end."

[arista]

Scotland say do not travel to England on NYE.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Scotland say do not travel to England on NYE.
Didnt she tell English people not to come to Scotland a while back?