Coronavirus Outbreak : England Removed All Restrictions

[arista]

UK Update is now 8:30PM

[MTVN]

One jillion cases incoming

[Crimson Dynamo]

One jillion cases incoming

the news media waiting with massive boners hoping to cash in on fearmongering

sickening

[arista]

Thursday 30/12/21


332 have Died
189,213 Have Caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
11,898

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
868


148,421 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

Thursday 23/12/21


147 have Died
119,789 Have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,216

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
842

147,720 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/



The death rate has only increased by 230% over a seven day period !!!

Plus the hospitalisations are UP 50% over 7 days !

:(

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[bots]

the number of deaths yesterday was 50 so there is obviously a catch up from christmas

[AnnieK]

Surely everyone was expecting a big jump at some point.....we've had 18 deaths, then 50 so there was obviously a lag somewhere. I'm surprised its not much higher

[Crimson Dynamo]

Remember 80 % go into hospital for non covid reasons

But test pos while there

[Cherie]

842 on vents hasn’t moved much?

[Cherie]

Sunday 12/12/21

52 have died
48,854 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,413


Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
900


146,439 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Figures from 3 weeks ago

Vents are stable..being in hospital with covid doesn’t mean that is what you went in with

[Zizu]

the number of deaths yesterday was 50 so there is obviously a catch up from christmas


Hopefully that’s the case and it drops down dramatically tomorrow although the weekend ‘catch-up’ would have come on Tuesday or Wednesday (yesterday) wouldn’t it ?


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[Zizu]

842 on vents hasn’t moved much?


The ventilation figures are a week or so behind hospitalisations aren’t they though ..

Get sick - hospitalised - need ventilation - recover/ death .


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[Zizu]

Surely everyone was expecting a big jump at some point.....we've had 18 deaths, then 50 so there was obviously a lag somewhere. I'm surprised its not much higher


Hopefully it is just a catch up glitch... better not think of the alternative as yet


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[user104658]

This thread is honestly a bright light of satire in a grim end to 2021 :joker:

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[Crimson Dynamo]

This thread is honestly a bright light of satire in a grim end to 2021 :joker:

https://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/1b828434dae9eeca52080576870ff4b9_original.png

So you keep saying without saying anything

Stop trying to be the big man and post something of note

[user104658]

So you keep saying without saying anything

Stop trying to be the big man and post something of note

I've posted all I have to say. It's not "doomsday", it's not "we're all going to die", it's not the end of the world ... but the numbers are not good, the NHS situation is not good, the numbers are going to continue to increase for a while and it's quite funny watching the same few people declaring "Covid is over" and then desperately scrabbling around trying to turn **** into gold with each day's news. Keeps my spirits up.

[Zizu]

This thread is honestly a bright light of satire in a grim end to 2021 :joker:

https://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/1b828434dae9eeca52080576870ff4b9_original.png


Well I’m kinda reluctant to wish everybody a happy new year this time given what’s happened the last two times I did :(


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[Crimson Dynamo]

I've posted all I have to say. It's not "doomsday", it's not "we're all going to die", it's not the end of the world ... but the numbers are not good, the NHS situation is not good, the numbers are going to continue to increase for a while and it's quite funny watching the same few people declaring "Covid is over" and then desperately scrabbling around trying to turn **** into gold with each day's news. Keeps my spirits up.

Not one member has said covid is over

Stop with the DM exaggeration to justify your bleak, lack of data position

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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Good news

[user104658]

Not one member has said covid is over

Stop with the DM exaggeration to justify your bleak, lack of data position


One member has literally said exactly that, several more have implied it.

Watching that bloke on YouTube ticking bits of paper doesn’t constitute “having the data” either by the way but it’s ok, I get that people are tired and scared and want to believe the hypothesis that this is a much milder strain and will herald the end of the worse strains.

Which is certainly very possible but we’re nowhere even vaguely close to being able to declare that with any degree of triumph.

In truth none of us have “the data” because it’s too early to have “the data”. You criticise me for being honest about not having that data… whilst lapping up any (too early) interpretation of the data that is available that slants towards the positive.

It’s a position of fear. I get why people do it but it has zero practical utility, and jumping the gun with half-baked beliefs comes with several potential risks. :shrug:

[Lewismacfarlane]

Mum has covid me and Dad are fine

[Mystic Mock]

I've posted all I have to say. It's not "doomsday", it's not "we're all going to die", it's not the end of the world ... but the numbers are not good, the NHS situation is not good, the numbers are going to continue to increase for a while and it's quite funny watching the same few people declaring "Covid is over" and then desperately scrabbling around trying to turn **** into gold with each day's news. Keeps my spirits up.

The NHS has been in a bad situation for years sadly, I know that I'm repeating myself by saying this, but I honestly don't understand why extra funding isn't being put into the NHS during the Pandemic? Apparently we have enough money to build new Shopping Centers and Museum's about The Beatles, but apparently they can't fund the NHS properly?:conf:

But in fairness it is a good sign that the variant is more mild, the main problem at this point is thanks to our wonderful Government as usual with their hatred towards the NHS for some bizarre reason.

[Crimson Dynamo]

One member has literally said exactly that, several more have implied it.

Watching that bloke on YouTube ticking bits of paper doesn’t constitute “having the data” either by the way but it’s ok, I get that people are tired and scared and want to believe the hypothesis that this is a much milder strain and will herald the end of the worse strains.

Which is certainly very possible but we’re nowhere even vaguely close to being able to declare that with any degree of triumph.

In truth none of us have “the data” because it’s too early to have “the data”. You criticise me for being honest about not having that data… whilst lapping up any (too early) interpretation of the data that is available that slants towards the positive.

It’s a position of fear. I get why people do it but it has zero practical utility, and jumping the gun with half-baked beliefs comes with several potential risks. :shrug:

We are 2 years into a pandemic and you are trying to play that card?

Are you for real
But you scorn real life data

Let's see your workings

So
far all we have seen is

I know someone who works in the NHS

[Mystic Mock]

We are 2 years into a pandemic and you are trying to play that card?

Are you for real
But you scorn real life data

Let's see your workings

So
far all we have seen is

I know someone who works in the NHS

Tbf TS knowing someone at the NHS does validate his opinion more than most of us on the topic because they must be relaying what's going on inside the NHS to him.

[thesheriff443]

One member has literally said exactly that, several more have implied it.

Watching that bloke on YouTube ticking bits of paper doesn’t constitute “having the data” either by the way but it’s ok, I get that people are tired and scared and want to believe the hypothesis that this is a much milder strain and will herald the end of the worse strains.

Which is certainly very possible but we’re nowhere even vaguely close to being able to declare that with any degree of triumph.

In truth none of us have “the data” because it’s too early to have “the data”. You criticise me for being honest about not having that data… whilst lapping up any (too early) interpretation of the data that is available that slants towards the positive.

It’s a position of fear. I get why people do it but it has zero practical utility, and jumping the gun with half-baked beliefs comes with several potential risks. :shrug:

It’s deaths that give the best information and the fact they are so low is a clear indication the vaccine works.

[user104658]

We are 2 years into a pandemic and you are trying to play that card?

Are you for real
But you scorn real life data

Let's see your workings

So
far all we have seen is

I know someone who works in the NHS


I know and work with hundreds of people who work in the NHS.

Why are you again asking me to “do the working” on numbers that I’ve quite clearly said we don’t have? We don’t have enough data to draw conclusions. It’s that simple.

[Mystic Mock]

I know and work with hundreds of people who work in the NHS.

Why are you again asking me to “do the working” on numbers that I’ve quite clearly said we don’t have? We don’t have enough data to draw conclusions. It’s that simple.

So it's more than one person then.

My bad.:laugh:

A serious question that I have TS, why are the Media and some Scientists coming forward trying to say that this variant is "milder" if there isn't even any real data to suggest that's the case? Honestly not meaning to be confrontational it's just a genuine question.

[Zizu]

One member has literally said exactly that, several more have implied it.

Watching that bloke on YouTube ticking bits of paper doesn’t constitute “having the data” either by the way but it’s ok, I get that people are tired and scared and want to believe the hypothesis that this is a much milder strain and will herald the end of the worse strains.

Which is certainly very possible but we’re nowhere even vaguely close to being able to declare that with any degree of triumph.

In truth none of us have “the data” because it’s too early to have “the data”. You criticise me for being honest about not having that data… whilst lapping up any (too early) interpretation of the data that is available that slants towards the positive.

It’s a position of fear. I get why people do it but it has zero practical utility, and jumping the gun with half-baked beliefs comes with several potential risks. :shrug:


I agree completely !!


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[Zizu]

So it's more than one person then.

My bad.:laugh:

A serious question that I have TS, why are the Media and some Scientists coming forward trying to say that this variant is "milder" if there isn't even any real data to suggest that's the case? Honestly not meaning to be confrontational it's just a genuine question.


This ‘milder’ thing apparently came partly from the UK experts using data from 132 patients ( yikes) plus the experiences of SA who have a far younger population profile has they’ve been hit harder by the previous variants giving them more built in immunity


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[Zizu]

I know someone who works in the NHS

So are you playing that card ?


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[thesheriff443]

I would say this variation of covid is milder because people who had the vaccine caught covid and the vaccine weakened it so when they passed it on it was diluted

[thesheriff443]

It may be a man on YouTube but the data he is showing has been collected by independent professionals

[user104658]

So it's more than one person then.

My bad.:laugh:

A serious question that I have TS, why are the Media and some Scientists coming forward trying to say that this variant is "milder" if there isn't even any real data to suggest that's the case? Honestly not meaning to be confrontational it's just a genuine question.


There are indications that it causes fewer cases of serious illness and fewer deaths per case. It is still unknown if this is because it’s a less severe strain or because of protections from a combination of vaccinations and past infections.

In terms of the effect on the NHS - it also doesn’t matter if the transmission rates are sufficiently high. If the severe illness rates are 5x lower but the number of new infections at one time are, let’s say, 7x higher then the cumulative effect of that on the already-strained NHS could be devastating.

But that’s only taking Covid numbers into consideration. When you add general NHS staff sickness on top, and the massive understaffing problem that already exists, on top of that it looks even worse.

Staff are leaving the health service at unprecedented rates because of the pressure that the public is happily lumping on. Career switching, early retirement, etc. and the UK does not have the capacity to train replacements fast enough. A combination of Brexit and Covid means we can’t source staff from abroad either. It’s a ticking time bomb.

So what irks me about all of this “ahh it’s all fine people are overreacting!” Rhetoric is that people will believe it’s super mild and safe, go about their business and fail to bring down transmission rates, and the already-struggling NHS will not be able to take the strain. More staff will go on long term sick. More will change careers. More will simply burn out.

I wonder how many of those declaring it all hunky-dory have actually been seeking hospital treatment lately? 12+ month waits for scans, 7+ hour A&E waits, access to things like physio or routine checks is in the gutter.

Yes the issues stretch back years but that’s the point. The NHS was not prepped and ready for a global pandemic… it was already operating near capacity. People are adopting this “well if it’s more mild we have to just get back to normal!” Attitude on the assumption that these systems can take the strain of it. They cannot. If hospital cases do continue to rocket, and they may well do just that if infection rates are high enough mild strain or not, and you get hit by a car… you’re probably going to bleed out lying on the road, because we’re playing silly buggers with NHS capacity and there’ll be no ambulance to pick you up, and no one available to treat you at A&E even if you do get there.

Again this isn’t doomsday pondering it’s already happening. Ambulance waits are through the roof and A&Es country wide are bursting at the seams.

[user104658]

It may be a man on YouTube but the data he is showing has been collected by independent professionals


His videos are actually not bad but anyone taking them as the full picture needs to give their head a wobble - he’s just one man trying to simplify SOME of the data for a wider audience, it’s not exhaustive science. Sad thing is he doesn’t even pretend it is, it’s other people with rose-tinted glasses interpreting his videos as something they are not (I.e. a big “all clear” sign)

[thesheriff443]

His videos are actually not bad but anyone taking them as the full picture needs to give their head a wobble - he’s just one man trying to simplify SOME of the data for a wider audience, it’s not exhaustive science. Sad thing is he doesn’t even pretend it is, it’s other people with rose-tinted glasses interpreting his videos as something they are not (I.e. a big “all clear” sign)

Who has said on here that we are all clear?

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

There are indications that it causes fewer cases of serious illness and fewer deaths per case. It is still unknown if this is because it’s a less severe strain or because of protections from a combination of vaccinations and past infections.

In terms of the effect on the NHS - it also doesn’t matter if the transmission rates are sufficiently high. If the severe illness rates are 5x lower but the number of new infections at one time are, let’s say, 7x higher then the cumulative effect of that on the already-strained NHS could be devastating.

But that’s only taking Covid numbers into consideration. When you add general NHS staff sickness on top, and the massive understaffing problem that already exists, on top of that it looks even worse.

Staff are leaving the health service at unprecedented rates because of the pressure that the public is happily lumping on. Career switching, early retirement, etc. and the UK does not have the capacity to train replacements fast enough. A combination of Brexit and Covid means we can’t source staff from abroad either. It’s a ticking time bomb.

So what irks me about all of this “ahh it’s all fine people are overreacting!” Rhetoric is that people will believe it’s super mild and safe, go about their business and fail to bring down transmission rates, and the already-struggling NHS will not be able to take the strain. More staff will go on long term sick. More will change careers. More will simply burn out.

I wonder how many of those declaring it all hunky-dory have actually been seeking hospital treatment lately? 12+ month waits for scans, 7+ hour A&E waits, access to things like physio or routine checks is in the gutter.

Yes the issues stretch back years but that’s the point. The NHS was not prepped and ready for a global pandemic… it was already operating near capacity. People are adopting this “well if it’s more mild we have to just get back to normal!” Attitude on the assumption that these systems can take the strain of it. They cannot. If hospital cases do continue to rocket, and they may well do just that if infection rates are high enough mild strain or not, and you get hit by a car… you’re probably going to bleed out lying on the road, because we’re playing silly buggers with NHS capacity and there’ll be no ambulance to pick you up, and no one available to treat you at A&E even if you do get there.

Again this isn’t doomsday pondering it’s already happening. Ambulance waits are through the roof and A&Es country wide are bursting at the seams.


As regards job switching.. I saw something saying that 90% of teachers / TA are thinking of leaving education..
I’m guessing the other 10% are the older teachers who are just holding onto get the best pension figure ..


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[Mystic Mock]

There are indications that it causes fewer cases of serious illness and fewer deaths per case. It is still unknown if this is because it’s a less severe strain or because of protections from a combination of vaccinations and past infections.

In terms of the effect on the NHS - it also doesn’t matter if the transmission rates are sufficiently high. If the severe illness rates are 5x lower but the number of new infections at one time are, let’s say, 7x higher then the cumulative effect of that on the already-strained NHS could be devastating.

But that’s only taking Covid numbers into consideration. When you add general NHS staff sickness on top, and the massive understaffing problem that already exists, on top of that it looks even worse.

Staff are leaving the health service at unprecedented rates because of the pressure that the public is happily lumping on. Career switching, early retirement, etc. and the UK does not have the capacity to train replacements fast enough. A combination of Brexit and Covid means we can’t source staff from abroad either. It’s a ticking time bomb.

So what irks me about all of this “ahh it’s all fine people are overreacting!” Rhetoric is that people will believe it’s super mild and safe, go about their business and fail to bring down transmission rates, and the already-struggling NHS will not be able to take the strain. More staff will go on long term sick. More will change careers. More will simply burn out.

I wonder how many of those declaring it all hunky-dory have actually been seeking hospital treatment lately? 12+ month waits for scans, 7+ hour A&E waits, access to things like physio or routine checks is in the gutter.

Yes the issues stretch back years but that’s the point. The NHS was not prepped and ready for a global pandemic… it was already operating near capacity. People are adopting this “well if it’s more mild we have to just get back to normal!” Attitude on the assumption that these systems can take the strain of it. They cannot. If hospital cases do continue to rocket, and they may well do just that if infection rates are high enough mild strain or not, and you get hit by a car… you’re probably going to bleed out lying on the road, because we’re playing silly buggers with NHS capacity and there’ll be no ambulance to pick you up, and no one available to treat you at A&E even if you do get there.

Again this isn’t doomsday pondering it’s already happening. Ambulance waits are through the roof and A&Es country wide are bursting at the seams.

Okay thanks for the reply, same to Zizu too.

You both make some sound arguments tbf, especially about the issues currently present within the NHS.

If I'm being entirely honest I just want the whole thing to be over, that's why I'm gonna try and remain optimistic, but tbh you're someone that I think is quite knowledgeable on the Forum so if you're still uncertain about Omicron then I will take that on board.

[bots]

I know and work with hundreds of people who work in the NHS.

Why are you again asking me to “do the working” on numbers that I’ve quite clearly said we don’t have? We don’t have enough data to draw conclusions. It’s that simple.

That is simply untrue. There is plenty data and conclusions can be drawn at any time in the data collection process. If you draw conclusions at the beginning its like predicting the result of the general election after 1 result. It can be wildly off or it can be completely accurate, but as more data comes in, you can see trends appearing. This variation has spread like wildfire across the world, we have 180k + pieces of data available each day from the the uk alone. It doesn't take many days of that volume to see trends and form comparisons. To suggest otherwise as you seem to be doing is just wrong

[arista]

for now i am not taking the covid vaccine

i have my reasons, and my reasons are fair for being 98% of the time introverted, and only being at home, or in the garden outside of our home and if i hear someone in the alley next to our home i keep at least couple of metres away from that area

and also i think they are coming with a adjusted vaccine against omicron variant, what i've read

so i rather wait until early spring or something and get two jabs of that one, rather than 2 jabs now and then 2 or 3 months later another jab which is just silly

This is so Typical of you Nicky in the Netherlands.

That Number 4 "Adjusted Vaccine"
will only work if you had the 3rd Vaccine.

[user104658]

That is simply untrue. There is plenty data and conclusions can be drawn at any time in the data collection process. If you draw conclusions at the beginning its like predicting the result of the general election after 1 result. It can be wildly off or it can be completely accurate, but as more data comes in, you can see trends appearing. This variation has spread like wildfire across the world, we have 180k + pieces of data available each day from the the uk alone. It doesn't take many days of that volume to see trends and form comparisons. To suggest otherwise as you seem to be doing is just wrong


Identifying trends and using those trends to form a hypothesis is not the same thing as drawing conclusions - and therein lies the problem. An optimistic hypothesis is fine if it makes people feel better but drawing a conclusion from not enough data is bad science and just a bad idea generally.

Also observed correlation without control variables (as mass public data always is) does not imply causation. In other words, we have no idea if the lower death and hospitalisation figures are because “omicron is milder” or because of some other variable, such as a shift in infection demographic, effect of vaccination, old/vulnerable having previous natural immunity (or already being dead from it) etc.

People are using it to declare that Omicron is mild. We do not know that.

You can look at the lower deaths and say “phew, that’s good, hopefully something has changed that means things won’t be as bad as thought”.

You cannot look at it and say “Omg Omicron is clearly mild whup tee too Covid is just a cold now quick everyone, get back out there and snog!”

Not until there is real, robust, variable-controlled clinical data that actually shows the variant to be milder. Not until we’re well past the peak of infections and know how high that number will go.

It may be the case. I’ve never said otherwise. I’ve said there isn’t enough data to go on and there won’t be for probably another month or so. That is the simple fact. I know that people wish it wasn’t and want to believe that optimistic observations and predictions are facts. I know why. But I think it’s risky thinking - and certainly not thinking to base actual policy decisions on, as people seem to want to happen.

I think the phrase people need to keep in mind is “cautious optimism”. But maybe that’s a bit too “middle ground” for 2021, I know people are keen to throw their eggs into a basket.

[arista]

2022 we are getting a New Pill
for Covid.

That is a game change


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[user104658]

2022 we are getting a New Pill
for Covid.

That is a game change


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTPeRQZgB7sgtk00ZdbR00RatovdxcO6 VIK3Q&usqp=CAU


… on the same sort of track, it COULD be a game changer if it’s highly effective in real-world clinical settings. Cautious optimism :laugh:.

But yes on a more positive note about Covid… general understanding of virology (both the epidemiology and the clinical treatment of viral illness) in general has made huge leaps since 2019, and that’s something that might benefit us immensely beyond Covid. Efficient Anti-virals is the big one if they can be really nailed down. It would be nearly as big a moment in medicine as the discovery of antibiotics.

[Nicky91]

Pfizer is toxic rubbish

Modern is toxic rubbish

AstraZeneca is toxic rubbish

J&J is the worst of them all

[Nicky91]

but i'll get myself jabbed with pfizer, as i have no own opinion

no one has a own opinion anymore

[joeysteele]

There are indications that it causes fewer cases of serious illness and fewer deaths per case. It is still unknown if this is because it’s a less severe strain or because of protections from a combination of vaccinations and past infections.

In terms of the effect on the NHS - it also doesn’t matter if the transmission rates are sufficiently high. If the severe illness rates are 5x lower but the number of new infections at one time are, let’s say, 7x higher then the cumulative effect of that on the already-strained NHS could be devastating.

But that’s only taking Covid numbers into consideration. When you add general NHS staff sickness on top, and the massive understaffing problem that already exists, on top of that it looks even worse.

Staff are leaving the health service at unprecedented rates because of the pressure that the public is happily lumping on. Career switching, early retirement, etc. and the UK does not have the capacity to train replacements fast enough. A combination of Brexit and Covid means we can’t source staff from abroad either. It’s a ticking time bomb.

So what irks me about all of this “ahh it’s all fine people are overreacting!” Rhetoric is that people will believe it’s super mild and safe, go about their business and fail to bring down transmission rates, and the already-struggling NHS will not be able to take the strain. More staff will go on long term sick. More will change careers. More will simply burn out.

I wonder how many of those declaring it all hunky-dory have actually been seeking hospital treatment lately? 12+ month waits for scans, 7+ hour A&E waits, access to things like physio or routine checks is in the gutter.

Yes the issues stretch back years but that’s the point. The NHS was not prepped and ready for a global pandemic… it was already operating near capacity. People are adopting this “well if it’s more mild we have to just get back to normal!” Attitude on the assumption that these systems can take the strain of it. They cannot. If hospital cases do continue to rocket, and they may well do just that if infection rates are high enough mild strain or not, and you get hit by a car… you’re probably going to bleed out lying on the road, because we’re playing silly buggers with NHS capacity and there’ll be no ambulance to pick you up, and no one available to treat you at A&E even if you do get there.

Again this isn’t doomsday pondering it’s already happening. Ambulance waits are through the roof and A&Es country wide are bursting at the seams.

I agree with all the points you detail in that post TS.

Your 5th paragraph particularly strong.

Actually, your whole post above is impressive.
I've nothing to add to it, it just about covers all my own current thinking on this issue at the present time.

[Nicky91]

it is more about the when for me


wish there would be one location available again in my city eindhoven (don't get anyway why they have so little locations available given it is very crowded at the moment at some of these locations, many queue's waiting time can go for hours depending on where you stand in those and what time you arrive at those locations)



and i am not in the mood to go to pop up location in Geldrop (that neighbourhood where it is at i don't quite trust, an area where there has been lots of crime) and Helmond is too far away for me

[thesheriff443]

Identifying trends and using those trends to form a hypothesis is not the same thing as drawing conclusions - and therein lies the problem. An optimistic hypothesis is fine if it makes people feel better but drawing a conclusion from not enough data is bad science and just a bad idea generally.

Also observed correlation without control variables (as mass public data always is) does not imply causation. In other words, we have no idea if the lower death and hospitalisation figures are because “omicron is milder” or because of some other variable, such as a shift in infection demographic, effect of vaccination, old/vulnerable having previous natural immunity (or already being dead from it) etc.

People are using it to declare that Omicron is mild. We do not know that.

You can look at the lower deaths and say “phew, that’s good, hopefully something has changed that means things won’t be as bad as thought”.

You cannot look at it and say “Omg Omicron is clearly mild whup tee too Covid is just a cold now quick everyone, get back out there and snog!”

Not until there is real, robust, variable-controlled clinical data that actually shows the variant to be milder. Not until we’re well past the peak of infections and know how high that number will go.

It may be the case. I’ve never said otherwise. I’ve said there isn’t enough data to go on and there won’t be for probably another month or so. That is the simple fact. I know that people wish it wasn’t and want to believe that optimistic observations and predictions are facts. I know why. But I think it’s risky thinking - and certainly not thinking to base actual policy decisions on, as people seem to want to happen.

I think the phrase people need to keep in mind is “cautious optimism”. But maybe that’s a bit too “middle ground” for 2021, I know people are keen to throw their eggs into a basket.
A year or so ago you was working in a betting shop no you are head of the world health organisation

Intelligent people are not jumping the gun

[arista]

LBC reports
40% of booked Covid appointments
are being wasted, as they do not turn up.

That's real bad.

[Nicky91]

LBC reports
40% of booked Covid appointments
are being wasted, as they do not turn up.

That's real bad.

i wouldn't do that


i'd only make a appointment when i'm 100% certain of actually going


and for now i am at 85% certain of going to get a jab, i just hope i don't get anything bad from the vaccine


but staying unvaxxed isn't an option either, because i don't want long covid

[thesheriff443]

LBC reports
40% of booked Covid appointments
are being wasted, as they do not turn up.

That's real bad.

There maybe an overlap because you can book online then your surgery calls and either gives you an earlier appointment or tells you just to go to your nearest vaccine roll out

[arista]

1476839137688932375

[arista]

NYC is going ahead with Masked Street Celebrations
tonight


But LL Cool J
was meant to be there
but now has Covid,
won't be there.


CNN HD

[bots]

More from Professor Peter Openshaw, who says someone only needs to be exposed to "a whiff of infected breath" to catch the highly transmissible Omicron variant of coronavirus.

"Omicron is so infectious. We're lucky really that it wasn't this infectious when it first moved into human-to-human transmission," he told BBC Breakfast.

"We've had several iterations of this virus going through different stages of its evolution.

"It has ended up being so infectious that it almost needs just a whiff of infected breath and you could get infected."

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if that's not alarmist, what is?

[arista]

More from Professor Peter Openshaw, who says someone only needs to be exposed to "a whiff of infected breath" to catch the highly transmissible Omicron variant of coronavirus.

"Omicron is so infectious. We're lucky really that it wasn't this infectious when it first moved into human-to-human transmission," he told BBC Breakfast.

"We've had several iterations of this virus going through different stages of its evolution.

"It has ended up being so infectious that it almost needs just a whiff of infected breath and you could get infected."

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if that's not alarmist, what is?



Paris is now Outside all must by law
have a Mask on.

[bots]

Paris is now Outside all must by law
have a Mask on.

the latest data coming out of america is that anything less than kn95 face masks are completely useless

[Crimson Dynamo]

jTftlM0MJUk

[Alf]

1476839137688932375Rituals of the cult.

[arista]

the latest data coming out of America is that anything less than kn95 face masks are completely useless


Yes, so they say

[user104658]

A year or so ago you was working in a betting shop no you are head of the world health organisation

Intelligent people are not jumping the gun

Two and a half years ago, and since then I've finished my degree and my wife has gained a research Masters.

Not everyone stagnates in life sheriff.

Also, if you'd care to actually read my posts, all I'm stating is that we do NOT know the full picture. I'm not claiming expertise, saying that I know anything specific, or drawing conclusions. I'm saying that other people are too keen to draw conclusions. So it's actually pretty much the exact opposite of what you're saying. I'm freely admitting that "I don't know" - I'm just pointing out that no one else on this thread knows anything either, but I'm seeing an awful lot of bold claims about Omicron and how it's going to go, based on absolutely nothing at all.

Because...

We do not have enough data yet.

Less than two months of data, less than half way into a situation, with no measurable peak, is not enough data. It's not complicated, it's really simple.

"We don't know anything yet, stop pretending that we do"

That's it, that's all. I could have made that statement whatever job I was doing so really the pointed comments are needless, but telling. Again I understand that people are tired, scared and frustrated and desperately want to glimpse the light at the end of the tunnel... but lighting a match in front of your face and saying "oh look there it is!" is just nonsense.

[Crimson Dynamo]

40% of vaccine appointments are no-shows

Talkradio

[arista]

40% of vaccine appointments are no-shows

Talkradio




Yes was the same on LBC an hour ago or so

[arista]

In 10 days
in USA,
12-15 year olds will get their Booster Jab


CNN HD Live
New Day Prog.

[bots]

40% of vaccine appointments are no-shows

Talkradio

that figure could easily be people isolating .... take a look at the infection rate and the absences from work

[user104658]

40% of vaccine appointments are no-shows

Talkradio

I think this is sometimes a bit complicated and not just down to people not caring - it was a shambles when I got my booster. Nearly a 2 hour queue, indoors, basically zero social distancing. Wasn't too risky because it was before this wave took off... and even then there were several walk-outs. Some people getting impatient, others literally couldn't stay (e.g. they had booked in their lunch hour and couldn't take a 3-hour break, or they had kids to pick up from school, etc.) plus if it's the same now I can see people walking out of that situation just because it's not really Covid-safe. Some places seem to be much better than others, total mixed bag in terms of vaccine centres, but yeah basically no real way to know how many are actual "no shows" and how many are people who did turn up, but had to leave before getting the vaccine because of massive delays.

I have no idea why it's gone to **** around here, first and second vax were really efficient, they had 10+ vaccinators in stations around a large room. For the booster it was one small room with two vaccinators... queue of 50-100 people literally down the corridor, round the waiting room, then down a flight of stairs.

[thesheriff443]

Two and a half years ago, and since then I've finished my degree and my wife has gained a research Masters.

Not everyone stagnates in life sheriff.

Also, if you'd care to actually read my posts, all I'm stating is that we do NOT know the full picture. I'm not claiming expertise, saying that I know anything specific, or drawing conclusions. I'm saying that other people are too keen to draw conclusions. So it's actually pretty much the exact opposite of what you're saying. I'm freely admitting that "I don't know" - I'm just pointing out that no one else on this thread knows anything either, but I'm seeing an awful lot of bold claims about Omicron and how it's going to go, based on absolutely nothing at all.

Because...

We do not have enough data yet.

Less than two months of data, less than half way into a situation, with no measurable peak, is not enough data. It's not complicated, it's really simple.

"We don't know anything yet, stop pretending that we do"

That's it, that's all. I could have made that statement whatever job I was doing so really the pointed comments are needless, but telling. Again I understand that people are tired, scared and frustrated and desperately want to glimpse the light at the end of the tunnel... but lighting a match in front of your face and saying "oh look there it is!" is just nonsense.

I will say it once again, intelligent people are not jumping the gun

You or your wife’s degree don’t mean nothing on a big brother forum.

And it seems getting a degree allows you to get paid while spending your time posting on here.

[bots]

at the vaccination centre i visited, i wasn't overly comfortable with the number of people and the distancing. It was the biggest group of people i had been in, in the last 18 months :laugh: I think there are a lot of people like me who are various degrees of nervous from uncomfortable to outright scared crapless because of the mental stress of the last 2 years.

To me that is worse than anything covid has thrown at us to date

[Crimson Dynamo]

that figure could easily be people isolating .... take a look at the infection rate and the absences from work

but surely they would call and rebook?

[bots]

but surely they would call and rebook?

ive already had 2 reminders from the NHS advising me to get my booster, both weeks after I had already been jabbed. The booking system is not perfect by any means, their tracking is not perfect by any means, so while there may be a trend of people not turning up, i wouldnt take the data as gospel

[user104658]

I will say it once again, intelligent people are not jumping the gun

I'm not sure what you're saying here. That the people on this thread who are jumping the gun are unintelligent?

You or your wife’s degree don’t mean nothing on a big brother forum.

That's why I literally have never mentioned either until you brought up my previous job? I know it's not relevant, you claim to know it's not relevant, so why did you bring it up? :shrug:.

And it seems getting a degree allows you to get paid while spending your time posting on here.

:joker: I can't argue with that although, not going to lie, I spent a good chunk of my time at the Bookies posting on here from my phone so that's nothing new. In fact from about 6pm - closing at 10pm... it was 90% of how I spent my time :umm2:.

[AnnieK]

My booster appointment was really easy - I arrived on time and was straight in and out. It was an appointment only centre which I think was better as my friend has been working in a health centre where they have appointments and walk-ins and it has been chaos at times.

[user104658]

but surely they would call and rebook?

Would probably still be logged as a no-show for the original date even if they rebooked and got the vax a week later. Same as any other NHS appointment - it's a missed appointment unless you cancel in advance, even if you get another appointment the next day. I doubt many would bother cancelling a vaccination appointment in advance. I don't know if there's even a way to do it?

[bots]

A pill to treat Covid has been approved for use across the UK, the medicines regulator says.

Paxlovid, developed by the US company Pfizer, has been authorised by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

According to the MHRA: "Paxlovid is an antiviral medicine used for treating mild-to-moderate COVID-19. COVID-19 is caused by a virus.

"Paxlovid stops the virus multiplying in cells and this stops the virus multiplying in the body. This can help your body to overcome the virus infection, and may help you get better faster."

The UK Department of Health said: "More than 2.75 million courses of Paxlovid have been secured for NHS patients and plans for deployment will be set out soon."

[Cherie]

My issue with hospital numbers is aside from ICU numbers they don’t separate those that went in to be treated for something else and tested positive from those who are actually admitted with covid

[bots]

My issue with hospital numbers is aside from ICU numbers they don’t separate those that went in to be treated for something else and tested positive from those who are actually admitted with covid

i saw a figure last week that stated that 30% were admitted for something else

[MTVN]

Yeah there has been some more info posted on that recently showing that a greater and greater share of the covid hospital numbers are now being made up by 'incidental admissions' - those that were admitted for other reasons than covid. This is from the BBC live feed today:

The total number of people in Covid beds in acute trusts in England stood at just over 8,300 on 28 December, with about two-thirds of those people being treated primarily for their Covid.

The total number has risen by more than by more than 2,400 since the end of November - and most of that rise has come in the last week.

Before Omicron, we would have expected any growth to be split roughly along historical lines - that is mainly in people being treated for their Covid.

That is not happening – the growth has been roughly evenly split by people being treated for Covid (up by 1,262) and people being treated for something else but who have coronavirus (up by 1,191).

So “with Covid” beds are taking up a larger and larger proportion of the total: up from about 25% at the end of November to 33% at the end of December.

This is what would be expected for an infection that is generally milder but more infectious.

Doctors stress that someone “with Covid” still presents treatment challenges: they could be in for a broken leg that has nothing to do with Covid, but still require isolation to prevent outbreaks.

Or they could be someone whose stroke was brought on or made worse by Covid and whose treatment becomes more complicated because of it too.

Also worth noting that I don't believe there has yet been any increase in the number of patients on ventilators

[MTVN]

Re the bickering on last few pages idk if I'm being referred to as someone who said 'covid is over' but when I said something like that I followed it with the red dancing man i.e. I wasn't being serious

[Crimson Dynamo]

Omicron wave in South Africa peaks with no significant uptick in deaths
During the omicron spike, only a marginal increase in Covid-19 deaths was noted

South Africa, where the omicron variant was detected in November, announced
that the country's latest coronavirus wave had likely passed its peak without a
significant increase in deaths and that restrictions would be eased.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/12/31/omicron-wave-south-africa-peaks-no-significant-uptick-deaths/

[Zizu]

Omicron wave in South Africa peaks with no significant uptick in deaths
During the omicron spike, only a marginal increase in Covid-19 deaths was noted

South Africa, where the omicron variant was detected in November, announced
that the country's latest coronavirus wave had likely passed its peak without a
significant increase in deaths and that restrictions would be eased.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/12/31/omicron-wave-south-africa-peaks-no-significant-uptick-deaths/


Completely different kinda population to the UK

Far younger and due to vastly poorer vaccine program they’ve had far more exposure to Covid virus


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[Zizu]

A pill to treat Covid has been approved for use across the UK, the medicines regulator says.

Paxlovid, developed by the US company Pfizer, has been authorised by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

According to the MHRA: "Paxlovid is an antiviral medicine used for treating mild-to-moderate COVID-19. COVID-19 is caused by a virus.

"Paxlovid stops the virus multiplying in cells and this stops the virus multiplying in the body. This can help your body to overcome the virus infection, and may help you get better faster."

The UK Department of Health said: "More than 2.75 million courses of Paxlovid have been secured for NHS patients and plans for deployment will be set out soon."


For some strange reason I’m happier having the vaccine jabs than taking some experimental drug


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Completely different kinda population to the UK

Far younger and due to vastly poorer vaccine program they’ve had far poor exposure to Covid virus


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South Africa has been the hardest hit by coronavirus on the continent, recording more than 3.4 million cases and 91,000 deaths.

[bots]

i think taking one of these anti viral pills will soon be like taking a panadol. It is the future, pop a pill and get on with your day

[user104658]

i think taking one of these anti viral pills will soon be like taking a panadol. It is the future, pop a pill and get on with your day

I think it's more likely to work like oseltamivir (better known as "Tamiflu") which is an influenza antiviral that's been around since the late 90's.

Basically it's helpful in at-risk people, reducing the likelihood of serious illness/death but really does **** all for healthy adults with normal flu symptoms (can actually make things worse as it can cause vomitting which can in turn increase dehydration).

So it would most likely be prescribed when people are admitted to hospital, and would further cut the risk of those people ending up in ICU or dying. But not likely to be over the counter meds for people recovering fine at home.

I do think there may EVENTUALLY be highly effective antiviral meds that just knock any virus on the head though. I think that's further in the future though. In fact I suspect there will eventually be loads of "high tech" meds that solve a whole range of human problems.

[bots]

we just need some new treatments for mental illness and we will all be whistling a happy tune :whistle:

[Zizu]

South Africa has been the hardest hit by coronavirus on the continent, recording more than 3.4 million cases and 91,000 deaths.


That was my point .. they’ve had far more exposure to the virus so will have a greater inbuilt immunity


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[Crimson Dynamo]

That was my point .. they’ve had far more exposure to the virus so will have a greater inbuilt immunity


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and we have a much better percentage of the population fully vaccinated

[arista]

Friday 31/12/21

203 have Died
189,846 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
11,918

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
868



148,624 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[bots]

A booster vaccine is 88% effective at preventing people ending up in hospital with Covid-19, new data from the UK Health Security Agency suggests.

The new data confirms that two doses of the AstraZeneca, Pfizer or Moderna vaccines offers little protection against being infected with Omicron.

But protection against severe disease appears to be holding up much better against the new variant.

Health officials said this reinforces the importance of getting a third dose.

The health secretary Sajid Javid said: "This is more promising data which reinforces just how important vaccines are. They save lives and prevent serious illness.

"This analysis shows you are up to eight times more likely to end up in hospital as a result of Covid-19 if you are unvaccinated."

The UKHSA analysed more than 600,000 confirmed and suspected cases of the Omicron variant up to 29 December in England.

It found that a single vaccine dose reduced the risk of needing hospital treatment by 52%. Adding the second dose increased the protection to 72%, although after 25 weeks that protection had faded to 52%.

And two weeks after getting a third dose, that protection against hospitalisation was boosted to 88%.

The UKHSA report said there was not enough data yet to work out how long this protection would last but it is expected to last longer than protection against developing symptoms.

In people who already had symptoms, protection after each dose was slightly lower and reduced to 68% after a booster compared to unvaccinated people.

A second study, carried out with Cambridge University, confirmed that the risk of going to A&E or being admitted to a hospital ward after catching Omicron was roughly half that of the older Delta variant.

It also found that the risk of hospital admission alone with Omicron was approximately one-third of that for Delta.

Susan Hopkins, chief medical adviser at UKHSA, said the data was "in keeping with the encouraging signs we have already seen".

However she said it was too early to draw any conclusions on how severely ill in hospital people could be with Omicron compared to Delta.

She added: "The increased transmissibility of omicron and the rising cases in the over 60s population in England means it remains highly likely that there will be significant pressure on the NHS in coming weeks.

"The data once again shows that coming forward for your jab, particularly your third dose, is the best way of protecting yourself and others against infection and severe disease."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59840524

[user104658]

However she said it was too early to draw any conclusions on how severely ill in hospital people could be with Omicron compared to Delta.


She said WHAT?? Miserable bastard, party pooper, doom prophet! Away with her. Away!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Susan Hopkins, chief medical adviser at UKHSA, said the data was "in keeping with the encouraging signs we have already seen".

However she said it was too early to draw any conclusions on how severely ill in hospital people could be with Omicron compared to Delta.


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[MTVN]

That was my point .. they’ve had far more exposure to the virus so will have a greater inbuilt immunity


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Not sure this argument holds up really, we were one of the worst hit countries in the world and now have one of the highest numbers of people vaccinated so surely our populations antibodies against covid are incredibly strong

And they might have a younger population but also have no doubt inferior healthcare which probably balances out that factor

[user104658]

Susan Hopkins, chief medical adviser at UKHSA, said the data was "in keeping with the encouraging signs we have already seen".

However she said it was too early to draw any conclusions on how severely ill in hospital people could be with Omicron compared to Delta.


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Pfft, that old chestnut, you can draw a conclusion from any amount of data haven’t you heard?

[user104658]

And they might have a younger population but also have no doubt inferior healthcare which probably balances out that factor


It’s SA not Somalia, they almost certainly have comparable if not currently better healthcare than the critically and tragically understaffed and underfunded NHS.

[arista]

France has Another Very High Covid-19 Cases
232,200 new cases today.

Ref: Fance24HDnews Live

In English

[Crimson Dynamo]

YOu can bet your ass if the news from SA had been bad all our politicians would
have been talking non-stop about what is happening in SA.

Nicola would have been draped in the SA flag doing a special bulletin with Prof
Leitch by her side holding a huge Scythe and on her other side John Swinney
blacked up wearing a SA rugby top holding a sign saying " the End is Nigh"

[MTVN]

It’s SA not Somalia, they almost certainly have comparable if not currently better healthcare than the critically and tragically understaffed and underfunded NHS.

This index ranks the UK's healthcare system as 15th in the world vs 49th for South Africa: https://www.numbeo.com/health-care/rankings_by_country.jsp

This one ranks the UK 10th vs 53rd for South Africa: https://ceoworld.biz/2021/04/27/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2021/

So yeah I feel pretty comfortable stating that healthcare is better here for all its problems

[Zizu]

and we have a much better percentage of the population fully vaccinated


True .. there are pluses to both arguments.. but it seems foolish to compare the two and then make decisions on their experiences


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[arista]

Some Pharmacy's
today only got a Box of 60 covid LF tests.

Of course, they were gone in one hour.

[Crimson Dynamo]

True .. there are pluses to both arguments.. but it seems foolish to compare the two and then make decisions on their experiences


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yes if the scientific community did not revere the the SA scientists and their work

problem is

they do

[arista]

Covid-19
has made so many nations
get more in Debt.

Inflation around the world, now


You Evil Bastards in China
letting it out of the Lab

[Crimson Dynamo]

Covid-19
has made so many nations
get more in Debt.

Inflation around the world, now


You Evil Bastards in China
letting it out of the Lab

they should be made to pay for this

[Zizu]

Covid-19
has made so many nations
get more in Debt.

Inflation around the world, now


You Evil Bastards in China
letting it out of the Lab


I’d have thought that the scientists would have gotten to the bottom of all this by now .. pretty sure that Covid appeared over two YEARS ago around October 2019 ...


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[Mystic Mock]

Covid-19
has made so many nations
get more in Debt.

Inflation around the world, now


You Evil Bastards in China
letting it out of the Lab

Oh what the Chinese Government did was pure evil imo, whether it originated in a Lab or not as they hid this disease from the rest of us for a good while, yet they've not faced any punishments for doing that which is just ludicrous.

[Mystic Mock]

I’d have thought that the scientists would have gotten to the bottom of all this by now .. pretty sure that Covid appeared over two YEARS ago around October 2019 ...


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On average to get strong Medication out there to fight a Disease like this can take about 4 or 5 years I think, so it's not that abnormal in fairness.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh what the Chinese Government did was pure evil imo, whether it originated in a Lab or not as they hid this disease from the rest of us for a good while, yet they've not faced any punishments for doing that which is just ludicrous.

Spot on Mock

[user104658]

Suggesting that the world should punish China is like saying the 90lb kid with glasses should punch the 200lb bully in the face "and that'll teach 'im".

Delusions about what western countries can realistically do about an economic force as huge as China.

i.e. nothing at all.

[bots]

no way can the west do anything, the next time china put out a virus it will be better at targeting their opponents. The west really needs to protect itself better

[Zizu]

On average to get strong Medication out there to fight a Disease like this can take about 4 or 5 years I think, so it's not that abnormal in fairness.


Yeah ...


I saw a documentary where the scientists/ biologists said that the medical profession had got the process of making and adapting vaccines off to perfection and there’s basically zero risk

New medicines without 10 years of checking would worry me


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[Zizu]

On average to get strong Medication out there to fight a Disease like this can take about 4 or 5 years I think, so it's not that abnormal in fairness.


No sorry.. I meant got to the bottom of where the damn virus originated.. man made or animal market or whatever.




I saw some science bod on telly a few weeks ago who said that they can take every coronavirus and trace it’s origin back ... but there’s nothing before Covid19 ( I think he said it has no ancestry - but it sounds wrong ) .

Anyway he said that it means that Covid-19 is a newly created virus .


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[user104658]

no way can the west do anything, the next time china put out a virus it will be better at targeting their opponents. The west really needs to protect itself better

This is purely speculation but IMO if they've learned anything from Covid it's that viral bioweaponry is not viable, as it's unpredictable and uncontrollable.

[Mystic Mock]

Suggesting that the world should punish China is like saying the 90lb kid with glasses should punch the 200lb bully in the face "and that'll teach 'im".

Delusions about what western countries can realistically do about an economic force as huge as China.

i.e. nothing at all.

At least make him unban Winnie The Pooh.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

No sorry.. I meant got to the bottom of where the damn virus originated.. man made or animal market or whatever.




I saw some science bod on telly a few weeks ago who said that they can take every coronavirus and trace it’s origin back ... but there’s nothing before Covid19 ( I think he said it has no ancestry - but it sounds wrong ) .

Anyway he said that it means that Covid-19 is a newly created virus .


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An interesting interview.

Because surely if Covid came from Bats (like China claims) then shouldn't there already be evidence to show that's the case?

[user104658]

An interesting interview.

Because surely if Covid came from Bats (like China claims) then shouldn't there already be evidence to show that's the case?

The thing is, it's most likely both. Most coronaviruses evolve in bats, but the leading theory is that they found it years ago in bats and were studying it in the Wuhan lab [for reasons unknown] and then it got out from there - most likely by accident, as there are also several reports going back years that the biohazard containment standards at the lab were shocking. I'm sure there was an interview with an anonymous whistleblower from like 2017 who was saying "it's only a matter of time until someone ****s up and something bad gets out".

[Alf]

People who have never done a test have never had Covid.

[user104658]

People who have never done a test have never had Covid.

They permanently have Schrödinger's COVID.

[Mystic Mock]

The thing is, it's most likely both. Most coronaviruses evolve in bats, but the leading theory is that they found it years ago in bats and were studying it in the Wuhan lab [for reasons unknown] and then it got out from there - most likely by accident, as there are also several reports going back years that the biohazard containment standards at the lab were shocking. I'm sure there was an interview with an anonymous whistleblower from like 2017 who was saying "it's only a matter of time until someone ****s up and something bad gets out".

That would make sense.

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[Alf]

If you never take the test, like me, then you never get Covid.

Funny that.

Here's laughing at you!

[Alf]

Empty.

Wee Nicky Krankie is apparently someone to take notice of. Basically a dictator. But who even notices or cares?


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[Zizu]

If you never take the test, like me, then you never get Covid.

Funny that.

Here's laughing at you!


To be fair that’s a bit like saying when there’s nobody around in the forest the branches don’t make a noise when they fall


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[bots]

Covid didnt kill the Edinburgh Hogmanay party, Nicola did

[user104658]

To be fair, the Edinburgh Hogmanay street party is a ****ing nightmare. Honestly. Anyone who would voluntarily go to it a second time after experiencing it once was either too smacked off their tits to remember their first time, or some sort of sociopath.

[Crimson Dynamo]

To be fair, the Edinburgh Hogmanay street party is a ****ing nightmare. Honestly. Anyone who would voluntarily go to it a second time after experiencing it once was either too smacked off their tits to remember their first time, or some sort of sociopath.

Its horrific, but you have to do it once

[user104658]

Its horrific, but you have to do it once


We hatched a plan at New Year 2020 to get a hotel room with a view of the castle for New Year 2021 so that we could watch the fireworks etc. from the warmth and peace of our room.

But then Covid happened.

Last night I’d have been happy with Jackie Bird counting down and then a tune from KT Tunstall but instead I got a couple of footballers awkwardly talking pish on a Zoom call and then two truly awful songs from Texas and Emeli Sande. And the countdown was LATE. A bit depressing but the Twitter commentary on it was on point at least.

[bots]

i went to the street party 5 years on the trot, i really enjoyed it :laugh:

[arista]

USA has had to cancel 2,300 Flights Today

Due to Staff off from Covid
and some bad weather.

CNN HD Live

[arista]

Pfizer's antiviral Covid pill


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10358809/Britain-FINALLY-approves-Pfizers-life-saving-Covid-pill.html


[Britain today finally approved a 'life-saving' antiviral Covid pill
that can be taken by vulnerable people at home.]

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIB3mskXMAAwy_l?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/PortalPictures/Dec2021/DAVEY01012022.jpg?imwidth=640

[arista]

Saturday 1/1/22

154
162,572 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
Same as Yesterday (11,918)


Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
Same a Yesterday (868)


148,778 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Beso]

Back to work on Tuesday, my secret plan worked..

Unless I get the cov before then.

[Zizu]

Back to work on Tuesday, my secret plan worked..

Unless I get the cov before then.


Same here ... I get to share a building with 1200 teenagers and 150 staff in the midst of the Omicron attack ... straight after they’ve all been mixing with gawd knows who over the festive break ...


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Same here ... I get to share a building with 1200 teenagers and 150 staff in the midst of the Omicron attack ... straight after they’ve all been mixing with gawd knows who over the festive break ...


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there is no Omicron attack

its a cold virus

im sure 2 years ago you were not running scared of the common cold?

:rolleyes:

[Zizu]

there is no Omicron attack

its a cold virus

im sure 2 years ago you were not running scared of the common cold?

:rolleyes:


I don’t recall the common cold killing 150,000 people in less than 2 years tbf


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[Crimson Dynamo]

WeI don’t recall the common cold killing 150,000 people in less than 2 years tbf


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Neither did Omicron

Do you know how many have died from Omicron?

I wlil look forward to your answer and correction....

[glib]

there is no Omicron attack

its a cold virus

im sure 2 years ago you were not running scared of the common cold?

:rolleyes:

are you vaccinated

[Crimson Dynamo]

are you vaccinated

No I use garlic

[Zizu]

No I use garlic


Excellent .. that will protect you from vampires if nothing else

;)


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[bots]

i don't think omicron is at the cold level, without vaccination and boosters we would be pretty much still stuffed. A common cold doesnt tend to put people in hospital, where omicron does. So it is still a concern. 2 years down the line though, its not the same as the original variant that hit and for that we should be at least a little relieved, we also have vaccines, testing and antivirals, which puts us in a much better position to deal with it. We are going to have some bumps along the way. What we have now is disagreement on how we handle those bumps and what we think is acceptable pressure on the NHS. It's a different perspective from where we were in early 2020

[Crimson Dynamo]

Excellent .. that will protect you from vampires if nothing else

;)


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It's a 2 pronged attack

[Crimson Dynamo]

i don't think omicron is at the cold level, without vaccination and boosters we would be pretty much still stuffed. A common cold doesnt tend to put people in hospital, where omicron does. So it is still a concern. 2 years down the line though, its not the same as the original variant that hit and for that we should be at least a little relieved, we also have vaccines, testing and antivirals, which puts us in a much better position to deal with it. We are going to have some bumps along the way. What we have now is disagreement on how we handle those bumps and what we think is acceptable pressure on the NHS. It's a different perspective from where we were in early 2020

I'd like to know the priority of NHS overload versus mental health/catastrophic damage to business/livilhood

Oh wait there isn't any

Guess why

The politicians get the blame for the former

Not the

Latter
Simples

[Zizu]

It's a 2 pronged attack


Clever !


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

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Sounds like more ‘guidance’... meaning students will be ‘asked’ to wear masks ..


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[arista]

[COVID-19: Contingency plans drawn up over fears
a quarter of public sector workers
could be absent due to Omicron
Boris Johnson is tasking ministers with contingency
planning in a bid to reduce possible disruption
to public services and supply chains caused
by the current record-breaking number of COVID cases.]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-contingency-plans-drawn-up-over-fears-a-quarter-of-public-sector-workers-could-be-absent-due-to-omicron-12507186

[arista]

Labours Wes Streeting MP
on SkyNewsHD,

Says keeping kids in school
is needed, so he says Masks are needed.

But 2 tests a weeks is hard to achieve,
with lack of tests kits

[Zizu]

Labours Wes Streeting MP
on SkyNewsHD,

Says keeping kids in school
is needed, so he says Masks are needed.

But 2 tests a weeks is hard to achieve,
with lack of tests kits


Plus lateral flow tests are very unreliable even when trained people are doing the tests ... imagine how effective they are in the hands of teenagers who let’s say “ aren’t as careful “ as you would hope - many of whom do not take the Covid situation seriously


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[arista]

Plus lateral flow tests are very unreliable even when trained people are doing the tests ... imagine how effective they are in the hands of teenagers who let’s say “ aren’t as careful “ as you would hope - many of whom do not take the Covid situation seriously




Yes Johnson will need to do a briefing
this week,

[Crimson Dynamo]

SIR – The Covid testing regime currently in place causes more trouble to the
economy than it’s worth.

By far the larger proportion of those testing positive are isolating without
symptoms. Meanwhile, the omicron variant continues its relentless progress
through the population on its trajectory to becoming another version of the
common cold.

Here’s a novel idea: scrap testing. Stay at home if you feel ill but go about
your business as usual if you are well.

William Tarver
Wokingham, Berkshire



SIR – John Swinney, deputy first minister of Scotland, recently said: “What
we have got to recognise is that omicron is a serious threat to absolutely
everybody within our society and we have all got to take measures to protect
ourselves by limiting our social contacts and connections.”:umm2:


I would suggest that a virus that kills fewer than 1 per cent of those who
catch it (and, of that group, many have comorbidities or are obese) should
not be described in such lurid terms.

Is it any wonder that, with politicians engaging in such hyperbole, so many
people are frightened out of their wits?

John McErlean
Elstow, Bedfordshire

[bots]

what we have is an over reaction from the leaders in wales and scotland and it's caused by 2 things.

1. They dont want to be blamed if something goes wrong
2. It's not their countries that are paying for the compensation to livelihoods, it's the british people as a whole. Surely that cannot be right. Scotland or Wales cannot put a future financial burden on the UK population

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIFuURJXwAYU6fa?format=jpg&name=small

[user104658]

what we have is an over reaction from the leaders in wales and scotland and it's caused by 2 things.

1. They dont want to be blamed if something goes wrong
2. It's not their countries that are paying for the compensation to livelihoods, it's the british people as a whole. Surely that cannot be right. Scotland or Wales cannot put a future financial burden on the UK population


The whole UK is constantly paying for projects that only benefit London & The South of England so I don’t see why not :shrug:.

[bots]

The whole UK is constantly paying for projects that only benefit London & The South of England so I don’t see why not :shrug:.

the difference being those decisions are made by the uk parliament that includes representation from scotland and wales. England has no representation in scottish or welsh parliaments

[Alf]

Why you should take Arista's daily stats numbers with a pinch of salt and not seriously.


1477366019601715203

[bots]

the important number is those that are on ventilator and that number has been decreasing over time. If people go into hospital, get treated in non icu wards and leave within 2 or 3 days, its not a catastrophic situation

[arista]

the important number is those that are on ventilator and that number has been decreasing over time. If people go into hospital, get treated in non icu wards and leave within 2 or 3 days, its not a catastrophic situation



Yes but UK just like in the USA
Inside Politics now started on CNN HD
America has a massive amount of Essential workers
off sick, with Omicron Mild Covid Variant
Closing Flights down as well.

It is Correct, to take days off and not spread it more
but the International shortage in test kits
mean some workers are going back, still slightly ill,
and passing Covid on.(In the UK and the USA)

[arista]

Why you should take Arista's daily stats numbers with a pinch of salt and not seriously.




Alf they are not Mine
they are the UK Government official numbers
Anyone else doing this mega thread would do the same.
Each number posts,
has the UK Link


There is one other Link
showing the Whole World
with the USA at top and UK 2nd
with Cases.

Down the very bottom
is Small Island Nations
with no Covid,

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[arista]

Sunday 2/1/21


73 have Died
137,583 caught Covid-19

No update in Hospital Numbers - same as 2 days ago.


148,851 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19



https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

So England
now Follows Wales and Scotland.
Teachers will not have to have a mask on, though.

But all children and youngsters
must have a Mask on in school. In England.

Ch4HDnews
Stephen Barclay MP
Cabinet Minister said on the
26 of Jan it will be reviewed
in Parliament.

He said this rule was under Plan B rulings.



7,000 Lucky Schools will get Ventilation Units

[Zizu]

So England
now Follows Wales and Scotland.
Teachers will not have to have a mask on, though.

But all children and youngsters
must have a Mask on in school. In England.

Ch4HDnews
Stephen Barclay MP
Cabinet Minister said on the
26 of Jan it will be reviewed
in Parliament.

He said this rule was under Plan B rulings.



7,000 Lucky Schools will get Ventilation Units


I’ll give you peeps some feedback on what % of students abide by the new rules next week ..

Sadly this time we will have to threaten exclusions and follow through not just instruct them and do nothing ..

One of our most senior teachers ( head of subject) said before we broke up that he was probably leaving for a completely different job , far less money ... but he wouldn’t be a ‘sitting duck’ !!

Meaning it’s only a matter of time before he contracts the virus in school he’s 56 and rotund ..

Supposedly a survey done three weeks ago showed that those working in education are 37% more likely to catch Covid than the other professions - reported yesterday on LBC radio


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

[An unvaccinated couple with four children died
on the same day after contracting COVID-19.
Alvaro and Sylvia Fernandez, of Loma Linda in
Southern California, died within hours of each
other on 19 December, their family said.]

[Mr Fernandez, 44, was hesitant
about getting a COVID vaccination so had not
got his jab before developing symptoms
a few days before. His wife, 42, was also unvaccinated.]


[His sister, Alma Hernandez, told
Sky News affiliate NBC Los Angeles: "He wanted to wait
and do more research.
He googled information. He didn't want to believe
everything that was on the news.
"This is kind of an eye-opener for everybody
in my family that whoever is not vaccinated
definitely should have their vaccinations."

She added that her brother suffered
from underlying health problems, including diabetes.]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-couple-with-four-children-die-on-same-day-after-contracting-coronavirus-and-family-encourages-others-to-get-vaccinated-12507593

[Zizu]

[An unvaccinated couple with four children died
on the same day after contracting COVID-19.
Alvaro and Sylvia Fernandez, of Loma Linda in
Southern California, died within hours of each
other on 19 December, their family said.]

[Mr Fernandez, 44, was hesitant
about getting a COVID vaccination so had not
got his jab before developing symptoms
a few days before. His wife, 42, was also unvaccinated.]


[His sister, Alma Hernandez, told
Sky News affiliate NBC Los Angeles: "He wanted to wait
and do more research.
He googled information. He didn't want to believe
everything that was on the news.
"This is kind of an eye-opener for everybody
in my family that whoever is not vaccinated
definitely should have their vaccinations."

She added that her brother suffered
from underlying health problems, including diabetes.]


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-couple-with-four-children-die-on-same-day-after-contracting-coronavirus-and-family-encourages-others-to-get-vaccinated-12507593


It’s only a cold ... apparently


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Is this paper suggesting that drop in new cases since yesterday will have a bearing on any decisions made !?’

Sounds fanciful tbh


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[arista]

Is this paper suggesting that drop in new cases since yesterday will have a bearing on any decisions made !?’

Sounds fanciful tbh




Typical Back Conservative Benchers
Making Trouble.



Masks in Schools are Back
like in Scotland.

[arista]

'ScotRail chaos'
as staff shortages due to Covid,
force timetable changes.
January 4 and 28.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scotrail-chaos-staff-shortages-due-25794238

[arista]

[COVID-19: Schools advised to merge classes
to deal with staff shortages as
Education Secretary Nadhim Zahawi urges children
to get vaccinated
Education Secretary Nadhim Zahawi has urged young
people to get their COVID-19 vaccinations as
Labour reveals almost half a
million 16 and 17-year-olds remain unjabbed.
All secondary school students in England will
be asked to wear masks in class and in
communal areas when they return.]



https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-schools-advised-to-merge-classes-to-deal-staff-shortages-as-education-secretary-nadhim-zahawi-urges-children-to-get-vaccinated-12508014

[bots]

yeah, pack twice as many kids into the same space, that will do wonders to stop the spread of infection

[Nicky91]

well strip those 16, 17 year olds of rights to go to festivals, party's then


you'll see how fast they get vaccinated when you do that :laugh3:




no need to threaten me with any of that since i have never ever socialized pre-covid either :laugh3:

[Nicky91]

seems sometimes i am the only one with ''common sense''


biggest risks to society in terms of covid are those who more actively socialize not people like me who are antisocial and fully introverted, so trying to slow down the virus there is what is most important what needs to be done

[Crimson Dynamo]

PYLbJ0H8zdc

[Lewismacfarlane]

Out of isolation on Friday I can't wait

[user104658]

It’s only a cold ... apparently


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To be fair there's no information on what strain they had, Delta is still a large number of cases in the US.

[bots]

in the usa they typically have 15-25k deaths from flu every year. They have had over 800k deaths from covid in 2 years. If that doesnt spell out the difference, i don't know what does.

When the covid deaths per year become comparable with typical flu levels then we can start treating it the same.

[arista]

Johnson PM
has given an
interview to all press.


He says it is Folly
to think Covid is over

[Crimson Dynamo]

johnson pm
has given an
interview to all press.


He says it is folly
to think covid is over

and whoever said it was?

[arista]

and whoever said it was?


Anti vaxxers are saying its over

[Crimson Dynamo]

Anti vaxxers are saying its over

they dont believe anything had started in the first place

[Zizu]

in the usa they typically have 15-25k deaths from flu every year. They have had over 800k deaths from covid in 2 years. If that doesnt spell out the difference, i don't know what does.

When the covid deaths per year become comparable with typical flu levels then we can start treating it the same.


The problem is that there are people stating completely opposite figures to show that Covid is nothing to worry about


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[Crimson Dynamo]

The problem is that there are people stating completely opposite figures to show that Covid is nothing to worry about


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who specifically?

[Nicky91]

they dont believe anything had started in the first place

+100

yup definitely agree here


those are the ones whom in early 2020 thought this was all a hoax which is very sickening

[Nicky91]

well ok that is sorted then, my first jab this upcoming sunday 9th

if my mom threatens me ''if you refuse you'll end up dead soon''


:idc: freedom of a own opinion, own free will is no more then :rolleyes:



so i'll get dragged to that vaccination location, i won't say a word to those ''doctors'' either

[arista]

UK Covid numbers delayed until around 5:30PM

[Crimson Dynamo]

well ok that is sorted then, my first jab this upcoming sunday 9th

if my mom threatens me ''if you refuse you'll end up dead soon''


:idc: freedom of a own opinion, own free will is no more then :rolleyes:



so i'll get dragged to that vaccination location, i won't say a word to those ''doctors'' either

you can have a free will and opinion when you start paying rent and the food bills

until then do as your parents tell you in their house

:nono:

[arista]

Monday 3/1/21

42 have Died
157,758 have caught Covid-19


Hospital Numbers still not updated.


148,893 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

Lincolnshire
has 4 Hospitals scaling back treatments
due to Staff shortages


SkyNewsHD Live

[Zizu]

who specifically?


Some in the media and a few in here , generally speaking


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Some in the media and a few in here , generally speaking


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unless you can give an actual example then I think you are mistaken

[Zizu]

yeah, pack twice as many kids into the same space, that will do wonders to stop the spread of infection


Correct plus merging classes basically means that nobody learns anything and that’s with experienced teachers who know many of the students .. put a supply teacher in charge of a mixed ability group is disastrous


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[Zizu]

unless you can give an actual example then I think you are mistaken


You don’t think the anti vaxers and conspiracy theorists don’t have or use their own stats to make their points ??


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[MTVN]

Looks like cases going down now

[Zizu]

Looks like cases going down now


In London ??

They’re going through the roof in Gtr Manchester


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[Zizu]

In London ??

They’re going through the roof in Gtr Manchester


Wigan’s infections are up 114% over 7 days !


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[bots]

it's kind of difficult to go by the number of cases due to the holiday and the lack of test kits

[Vanessa]

Cases will go up until they reach the peak. Then they will go down.

[Zizu]

it's kind of difficult to go by the number of cases due to the holiday and the lack of test kits


You’d expect our numbers in Gtr Manchester to be plummeting given the shortage of tests/ test kits not increasing by 100% +


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[Crimson Dynamo]

You don’t think the anti vaxers and conspiracy theorists don’t have or use their own stats to make their points ??


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Not in the broadcast news media or on here, no

via social media yes

[AnnieK]

You’d expect our numbers in Gtr Manchester to be plummeting given the shortage of tests/ test kits not increasing by 100% +


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I've not had a problem getting test kits. The number of people testing has increased due to more mixing over the christmas period. I expect the cases to keep rising for a while yet, people want extra time off work so will test now to see if they've caught it so they will have to isolate over the next week or so.

I know loads of people who have tested positive in the last week or so.....no one is particularly poorly but are isolating

[Crimson Dynamo]

id imagine, what, 80-90% of those isolating are absolutely fine and dandy?

[Zizu]

I've not had a problem getting test kits. The number of people testing has increased due to more mixing over the christmas period. I expect the cases to keep rising for a while yet, people want extra time off work so will test now to see if they've caught it so they will have to isolate over the next week or so.

I know loads of people who have tested positive in the last week or so.....no one is particularly poorly but are isolating


They’ve been reporting shortages of PCI and Lateral Flow tests in the uk for a few days ...


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[Zizu]

They’ve been reporting shortages of PCI and Lateral Flow tests in the uk for a few days ...


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Maybe this is why the infection rate has supposedly gone down in the past few days in London ...
It ain’t science of the ticket tbh

##

Covid: Three-quarters of London pharmacies out of lateral flow tests as PM urged to ‘get a grip’ on shortages

##


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[AnnieK]

They’ve been reporting shortages of PCI and Lateral Flow tests in the uk for a few days ...


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The media also reported a lack of fuel which there never was. I have been able to collect tests for my house and my dads with no problems over the christmas week. People have panicked and stick piled as they did with fuel. It will sort itself out again like the fuel did

[bots]

i got a new test kit and stored it away with my toilet roll collection

[user104658]

The media also reported a lack of fuel which there never was. I have been able to collect tests for my house and my dads with no problems over the christmas week. People have panicked and stick piled as they did with fuel. It will sort itself out again like the fuel did

To be fair yes that's true of LF tests, but some areas (mainly around London) did have a shortage of PCR tests at testing centres as well, and that can't be down to panic stockpiling. It can only be down to either genuinely more cases needing tested, or I guess some "panic testing" - people being more inclined to go for a PCR to "make sure" when they have very minimal symptoms and negative LF tests (and probably just have a sniffle). The ratio of positive/negative tests should show that if it's the case, though.

[Zizu]

To be fair yes that's true of LF tests, but some areas (mainly around London) did have a shortage of PCR tests at testing centres as well, and that can't be down to panic stockpiling. It can only be down to either genuinely more cases needing tested, or I guess some "panic testing" - people being more inclined to go for a PCR to "make sure" when they have very minimal symptoms and negative LF tests (and probably just have a sniffle). The ratio of positive/negative tests should show that if it's the case, though.


That is correct about the test centres in London ( and surrounding areas) running out / being desperately low yet the media and even a few in here are happy to state as facts that there are NO shortages and if there are they are simply down to the public stockpiling


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[Cherie]

We had day 2 tests from amazon but we couldn’t register yesterday as registration was suspended for the holidays I guess, we booked Mr C in to a test centre as he wants to get back to work there were loads of appointments and he got his PCR test back this evening... so no shortage of private PCR tests ..i had a box of lateral flows coming every other day for a week before Christmas ...you could get them on line as long as you checked regularly

[Cherie]

That is correct about the test centres in London ( and surrounding areas) running out / being desperately low yet the media and even a few in here are happy to state as facts that there are NO shortages and if there are they are simply down to the public stockpiling


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Can I ask have you personally been unable to get tests?

[AnnieK]

That is correct about the test centres in London ( and surrounding areas) running out / being desperately low yet the media and even a few in here are happy to state as facts that there are NO shortages and if there are they are simply down to the public stockpiling


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You were specifically talking about Gtr Manchester.....as I live here also I was telling you that this week I have had codes from my hone in South Manchester and my Dads in North Manchester and have been able to order and collect the same day. I know people who ordered boxes online...everyday and therefore have stock piled. I have never mentioned PCR tests as I have.never taken one. However, 2 friends today have booked and taken PCR appointment in Salford so no delay there either. So no, here in Manchester there isn't a shortage I have experienced in my personal experience...there are no tests to be ordered by post but the code you get has allowed me to pick up tests whenever I have needed them. I am not claiming anything, just going off personal recent experience and not buying scaremongering.

[Zizu]

Can I ask have you personally been unable to get tests?


No ... that was not my point though tbf


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[Zizu]

You were specifically talking about Gtr Manchester.....as I live here also I was telling you that this week I have had codes from my hone in South Manchester and my Dads in North Manchester and have been able to order and collect the same day. I know people who ordered boxes online...everyday and therefore have stock piled. I have never mentioned PCR tests as I have.never taken one. However, 2 friends today have booked and taken PCR appointment in Salford so no delay there either. So no, here in Manchester there isn't a shortage I have experienced in my personal experience...there are no tests to be ordered by post but the code you get has allowed me to pick up tests whenever I have needed them. I am not claiming anything, just going off personal recent experience and not buying scaremongering.


I was talking in general terms to be honest .. the shortages are/ were worse down South ... the media made an issue of the shortages and I used poetic licence to emphasise my concerns about the rocketing infection rate in Gtr Manchester..



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That said you did say that the shortages were simply down to stockpiling when that clearly isn’t the case as we know that many test centres ran out of PCR tests as well

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People have panicked and stick piled as they did with fuel. It will sort itself out again like the fuel did



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That Dog loves the Anti Vaxxers arms


Nickys nation

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do not ******* with a Policedog

end of

[user104658]

Do not ******* with a Policedog

end of

That dog looks like it's not releasing when the handler is telling it to, which is a bit of an issue :think:.

[Nicky91]

so what, hope that dog has bit hard enough at that anti-vaxxer moron piece of scum

[Nicky91]

hope my nation will stay in lockdown for 3 or 4 more months

[arista]

5PM Johnson and his 2 Medics Live


Whitty and Vallance.


1 million Britons currently isolating

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/01/04/07/52521579-10365875-image-a-4_1641280913708.jpg
[Canada Water station in south-east London during
the morning rush hour with around half of people
still not wearing masks despite
Sadiq Khan's threat of a £200 fine]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10366995/Back-work-chaos-looms-million-people-Covid-isolation.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

That dog looks like it's not releasing when the handler is telling it to, which is a bit of an issue :think:.

I like how the handler had time to club another person as his dog was ripping the arm off that guy

[Crimson Dynamo]

Australia pushes on with reopening amid milder impact of Omicron

Prime Minister Scott Morrison says it is time to stop thinking about case numbers and
focus on serious illness instead.

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/1/3/australia-pushes-on-with-reopening-amid-milder-impact-of-omicron

[arista]

I like how the handler had time to club another person as his dog was ripping the arm off that guy


Yes the Anti Vaxxer is breaking their new law.

It was on All radio and TV in the Netherlands
His arm got Attacked
maybe that will teach him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Data that came out of SA running in tandem with current UK data and forecast to be mirrored by data that will come from USA in the weeks to come.

[arista]

France has a New Covid Variant "IHU"
stronger than Omicron.

Marseilles Geographical Area

Has a massive 46 Mutations
can spread even faster.


WION HD Gravitas 3:30PM SkyHD ch 523.

[AnnieK]

France has a New Covid Variant "IHU"
stronger than Omicron.

Marseilles Geographical Area

Has a massive 46 Mutations
spreads even faster.


WION HD Gravitas 3:30PM SkyHD ch 523.

I read about this but the article I read said it had more mutations but was spreading slowly and only 12 cases have been reported

[arista]

China has Locked down
another City
as 3 people have Covid-19.

The only food is Noddles.


Ref: WION HD

[arista]

I read about this but the article I read said it had more mutations but was spreading slowly and only 12 cases have been reported

That Report was Live today,
but it is still early days.

[user104658]

France has a New Covid Variant "IHU"
stronger than Omicron.

Marseilles Geographical Area

Has a massive 46 Mutations
spreads even faster.


WION HD Gravitas 3:30PM SkyHD ch 523.

Can't find anything at all that says this "spreads even faster"

[Crimson Dynamo]

France has a New Covid Variant "IHU"
stronger than Omicron.

Marseilles Geographical Area

Has a massive 46 Mutations
spreads even faster.


WION HD Gravitas 3:30PM SkyHD ch 523.

Another day, another variant. While the reaction to Omicron was immediate
and one laced with genuine fear and concern, the emergence of a new strain
in southeastern France has been met with a shrug of the shoulders by many
scientists.

On paper, B.1.640.2 looks problematic. Like Omicron, it has multiple
mutations, 46 in total, many of which are located in its spike protein - the
part of the virus responsible for gaining entry to human cells.


In reality, this is a variant that predates Omicron yet has failed to take off
globally in the same way.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/covid-variant-france-ihu-cases-b1986460.html

[arista]

Can't find anything at all that says this "spreads even faster"


Can Spread Even Faster


Sorry TS I missed out "can"