Coronavirus Outbreak : England Removed All Restrictions

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Judging from people I know, the damage done to Govt’s Covid messaging by No10’s illicit rule-breaking parties &amp; lies about them, cannot be overstated. Public trust’s been destroyed by the brazen double standards. <br>People now doing what they think best, not what Boris tells them.</p>&mdash; Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1473203284232085508?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Cherie]

Heard one of those friend of a friend rumours last night..

Apparently loads and loads of young people (under 35) are having strokes and / or blood clots after having a vaccine jab BUT as soon as it’s reported on social media the authorities take it down ...


One of our friends is seriously scared now despite all our reasoning and reassurances .

It sounds like a load of complete bollox to me plus the idea of the government having a system in place to delete any damaging rumours also seems preposterous




Thoughts please .. or any arguments we can use to try and calm her down

Thanks


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so if 'loads' are and it is being taken off twitter why haven't they gone to the papers?

[Cherie]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Judging from people I know, the damage done to Govt’s Covid messaging by No10’s illicit rule-breaking parties &amp; lies about them, cannot be overstated. Public trust’s been destroyed by the brazen double standards. <br>People now doing what they think best, not what Boris tells them.</p>&mdash; Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1473203284232085508?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Think that has been the case since Barnhard Castle tbh

[Nicky91]

sooooo pfizer booster jab apparently only protects you 75% against omicron, for ''3 months'' and then down to 25%


and first two jabs protect up to 70% and then 40% against omicron

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dr John with some positive news


YdVymGK3OzM

[arista]

Johnson PM does not need to wait for new data.


Many places now have covid infected staff sent home
thats the problem



Live Debate : LBC

[Crimson Dynamo]

Johnson PM does not need to wait for new data.


Many places now have covid infected staff sent home
thats the problem



Live Debate : LBC

its a problem for those places to solve, just like the MD of Iceland has with his 2% of staff off at mo. He was on LBC with Nick.

[arista]

its a problem for those places to solve, just like the MD of Iceland has with his 2% of staff off at mo. He was on LBC with Nick.


Sure, some places ensure all staff have a mask
that helps.


But too many have already, lost staff.
Hence the current debate on LBC

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sure, some places ensure all staff have a mask
that helps.


But too many have already, lost staff.
Hence the current debate on LBC

only for 10 days, they can cope.

[arista]

Dr. Sarah Jarvis
says the PM has loads of data.
He is stalling the Lockdown

Parliament, could go back on Weds 29th of Dec.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dr. Sarah Jarvis
says the PM has loads of data.
He is stalling the Lockdown

Parliament, could go back on Weds 28th of Dec.

she is mad with him because she thinks doctors work too hard

there is no lockdown to stall

they don't work

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGQIVQ7WQAEYzM3?format=jpg&name=small

Chancellor Rishi Sunak
to give an update today

I assume a recorded statement

[arista]

The DUP leader
confirms he has Covid-19

[bots]

Chancellor Rishi Sunak
to give an update today

I assume a recorded statement

there will be an open house cheese and wine party at his place on Friday

[arista]

there will be an open house cheese and wine party at his place on Friday



Nothing to do with him
helping folks

[arista]

The London Mayor has cancelled
the Trafalgar Sq New Year's Celebration.

[arista]

1473245863929692165

[Cherie]

1473245863929692165

Terrible time for a re-election tbf

[Crimson Dynamo]

We must stop the perpetual spiral of restrictions

With most of the population double- or even triple-jabbed, we are still having
the same debate as last year.

TELEGRAPH VIEW


The ministerial backlash against new pre-Christmas Covid controls marks a
welcome reassertion of Cabinet government and is a further sign of Boris
Johnson’s waning authority. Urged on by scientific advisers worried about a
January surge, the Prime Minister was minded to order new restrictions. But
he was beaten back by demands from his colleagues that more data be made
available about the trajectory of the omicron variant and the ability of the
NHS to withstand the pressure it is coming under.

A planned news conference at which the new measures were expected to be
announced was cancelled, with Rishi Sunak, the Chancellor, among those
unwilling to countenance further damage to the economy without cast-iron
evidence and a coherent exit plan. The resignation of Lord Frost, Mr
Johnson’s closest Cabinet ally, over the prospect of more restrictions proved
to be the writing on the wall following a revolt by 100 backbenchers against
some of the so-called Plan B measures. With the Commons in recess, Mr
Johnson could not this time put his plans to a vote and rely on Labour to get
them through.

Arguably, the Prime Minister has ended up in the worst of all worlds.
Although he was not able to act yesterday, given that the threat of further
restrictions is still hanging over the public, many will be wondering whether
their Christmas plans should go ahead after all.

The alarming, even alarmist, forecast from Sage advisers – that up to 6,000
people could die a day next month – is the worst-case scenario, yet one that
is helping to control interactions of people through fear rather than diktat.
The reliance on models that appear designed to support a particular policy
approach is worrying; and ministers have evidently decided no longer to take
these at face value. They are asking for more of the information that we all
need to make an assessment of risk: how many people in hospital are
unvaccinated, what are their ages and other morbidities, and why are we
panicking when evidence from South Africa suggests this variant is more
benign than delta?

Moreover, there is no need to reach for statutory controls when guidance is
bringing about a similar outcome by changing behaviour. But while this
approach is preferable to using emergency powers, it also needs to be put
into proper perspective otherwise the Government is achieving a lockdown by
stealth.

That may well be the intention. But the consequence is that restaurants,
bars, theatres and other entertainment venues that rely heavily on pre-
Christmas trade to survive in the new year have again been pulverised by
cancelled bookings. Retailers also suffered on what should have been their
busiest weekend of the year, with the number of people on the high street
sharply down.

This is happening not because omicron seems to be especially virulent but
because the NHS faces meltdown as beds fill up and as more and more staff
take time off after they test positive. A critical manpower shortage is looming
that will feed into other key sectors and affect supply chains across the
board. The Government needs to amend the 10-day isolation requirement for
fully vaccinated people, otherwise the country will come to a grinding halt in
a few weeks’ time. This needs to be reduced to seven days at the most or to
end immediately after a negative lateral flow test.

What is extraordinary is that we are enduring precisely the same debate as
last Christmas, though then it was the Kent variant prompting lockdown
demands. Within a few weeks the number of cases soared, peaking at below
the case numbers we are seeing today, though fatalities were much higher.
But there is one fundamental difference between then and now: most people
have been double or even triple jabbed, and the vaccines – particularly with
a booster – are standing up to omicron.

If scientists and NHS chiefs seek to replicate virtually the same measures
that were deemed necessary before a vaccine was available, massive
questions are raised over how this spiral of despair can ever be brought to an
end. Covid is heading towards becoming an endemic disease that
experiences a surge every winter, as happens with all respiratory illnesses,
almost certainly involving more variants. Is this to go on for ever?

[Cherie]

We must stop the perpetual spiral of restrictions

With most of the population double- or even triple-jabbed, we are still having
the same debate as last year.

TELEGRAPH VIEW


The ministerial backlash against new pre-Christmas Covid controls marks a
welcome reassertion of Cabinet government and is a further sign of Boris
Johnson’s waning authority. Urged on by scientific advisers worried about a
January surge, the Prime Minister was minded to order new restrictions. But
he was beaten back by demands from his colleagues that more data be made
available about the trajectory of the omicron variant and the ability of the
NHS to withstand the pressure it is coming under.

A planned news conference at which the new measures were expected to be
announced was cancelled, with Rishi Sunak, the Chancellor, among those
unwilling to countenance further damage to the economy without cast-iron
evidence and a coherent exit plan. The resignation of Lord Frost, Mr
Johnson’s closest Cabinet ally, over the prospect of more restrictions proved
to be the writing on the wall following a revolt by 100 backbenchers against
some of the so-called Plan B measures. With the Commons in recess, Mr
Johnson could not this time put his plans to a vote and rely on Labour to get
them through.

Arguably, the Prime Minister has ended up in the worst of all worlds.
Although he was not able to act yesterday, given that the threat of further
restrictions is still hanging over the public, many will be wondering whether
their Christmas plans should go ahead after all.

The alarming, even alarmist, forecast from Sage advisers – that up to 6,000
people could die a day next month – is the worst-case scenario, yet one that
is helping to control interactions of people through fear rather than diktat.
The reliance on models that appear designed to support a particular policy
approach is worrying; and ministers have evidently decided no longer to take
these at face value. They are asking for more of the information that we all
need to make an assessment of risk: how many people in hospital are
unvaccinated, what are their ages and other morbidities, and why are we
panicking when evidence from South Africa suggests this variant is more
benign than delta?

Moreover, there is no need to reach for statutory controls when guidance is
bringing about a similar outcome by changing behaviour. But while this
approach is preferable to using emergency powers, it also needs to be put
into proper perspective otherwise the Government is achieving a lockdown by
stealth.

That may well be the intention. But the consequence is that restaurants,
bars, theatres and other entertainment venues that rely heavily on pre-
Christmas trade to survive in the new year have again been pulverised by
cancelled bookings. Retailers also suffered on what should have been their
busiest weekend of the year, with the number of people on the high street
sharply down.

This is happening not because omicron seems to be especially virulent but
because the NHS faces meltdown as beds fill up and as more and more staff
take time off after they test positive. A critical manpower shortage is looming
that will feed into other key sectors and affect supply chains across the
board. The Government needs to amend the 10-day isolation requirement for
fully vaccinated people, otherwise the country will come to a grinding halt in
a few weeks’ time. This needs to be reduced to seven days at the most or to
end immediately after a negative lateral flow test.

What is extraordinary is that we are enduring precisely the same debate as
last Christmas, though then it was the Kent variant prompting lockdown
demands. Within a few weeks the number of cases soared, peaking at below
the case numbers we are seeing today, though fatalities were much higher.
But there is one fundamental difference between then and now: most people
have been double or even triple jabbed, and the vaccines – particularly with
a booster – are standing up to omicron.

If scientists and NHS chiefs seek to replicate virtually the same measures
that were deemed necessary before a vaccine was available, massive
questions are raised over how this spiral of despair can ever be brought to an
end. Covid is heading towards becoming an endemic disease that
experiences a surge every winter, as happens with all respiratory illnesses,
almost certainly involving more variants. Is this to go on for ever?

Great article, we either trust the vaccine or and some other mitigating measures like mask wearing or we dont

[arista]

Rishi Sunak recorded
is on SkyNewsHD

[arista]

Statutory Sick Pay Rebate
is back


Grants up to £6,000
many are saying its not enough.



[The chancellor also announced an extra £30m to help theatres and museums.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59742884



[Echoing Prime Minister Boris Johnson's comments
on Monday,
Mr Sunak said ministers were keeping the situation
under review and monitoring the data
"day-by-day, hour by hour" but ruling nothing out.]

[arista]

[Rishi Sunak unveils £1bn bailout for
stricken businesses as Boris sits on the
fence over post-Christmas lockdown - with ministers
braced for crucial Omicron data
as early as TODAY and Sturgeon
'poised to announce tougher
rules before New Year']

From Daily Mail.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10331845/Boris-OVERRULED-Cabinet-Covid-curbs.html


[The chancellor has set out measures to help England's
hospitality sector as it struggles
with a collapse in bookings sparked
by the rise in Covid cases.
Speaking on Tuesday, Rishi Sunak unveiled
a £1bn fund of cash grants of up to £6,000
per premises for each eligible firm.]

From BBC link

[Cherie]

They are going to lock us down after Boxing Day aren't they, then they can claim you got a better Christmas than last year .... despite the uncertainty hanging over everyone :idc:

[Nicky91]

They are going to lock us down after Boxing Day aren't they, then they can claim you got a better Christmas than last year .... despite the uncertainty hanging over everyone :idc:

why wait until after christmas


oh wait, certain MP's want to celebrate christmas without a lockdown i guess :laugh:

[arista]

They are going to lock us down after Boxing Day aren't they, then they can claim you got a better Christmas than last year .... despite the uncertainty hanging over everyone :idc:


Yes they are saying Parliament should be back
to vote in,
New Measures


Tues 28th Dec Date Or Weds 29th Date


Of course still to be confirmed

[bots]

the fear mongering has smashed previous records

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2021/12/21/omicron-variant-now-causing-15-dutch-coronavirus-infections-vaccines-less-effective

The Omicron variant of the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus now accounts for 10 to 15 percent of infections in the Netherlands, RIVM director Jaap van Dissel told the Tweede Kamer on Tuesday. Without a booster shot, the current Covid-19 vaccines used in the Netherlands are expected to be about four to five times less effective preventing an Omicron variant infection than a Delta variant infection. The Delta variant has been the most dominant variant in the country since July.

The Omicron variant is already causing a slightly larger share of infections in Amsterdam, Van Dissel said. It is expected to displace the Delta variant to become the dominant variant in the country by the end of the year.

Van Dissel also said that 85 percent of the people who were infected with the Omicron variant were fully vaccinated. This figure was about 62 percent regarding the Delta variant. People who previously were infected with coronavirus also seemed to be less protected against the Omicron variant, he said. Of the group that contracted the Omicron variant, about 3 percent previously recovered from the coronavirus. With the Delta variant this was slightly more than 1 percent.

Although a full course of vaccination provides reasonable protection against the Omicron variant in the short term, the effectiveness is expected to decrease quickly, Van Dissel said. A booster shot can "upgrade" the protection level against the Omicron variant. The effectiveness of the booster shot will also decrease over time, but less quickly, Van Dissel predicted.

"The vaccine was made against the Wuhan variant, which has not been circulating for a long time," explained Van Dissel. The Delta and Omicron variants are so different that the vaccine no longer recognizes them well, he added.

Van Dissel emphasized that it is still uncertain whether Omicron is as pathogenic as the Delta variant. During his presentation to the public health committee, he also showed the same graphs he showed Cabinet members last week, which showed that an extension of the evening lockdown could likely lead to over 4,000 Covid-19 patients requiring intensive care at the same time. Currently, the ICU system has a maximum capacity of about 1,200 spaces, with roughly 700 ready for Covid-19 cases.

Shortly after Van Dissel’s presentation to some Cabinet members, ministers and mayors were asked to attend emergency meetings about the state of the pandemic in the Netherlands. Later on Saturday, the Netherlands announced a full lockdown to last until January 14.

[arista]

The SNP leader is Live on TV news
at the Scottish Parliament.


Giving her Covid Statement.

[Nicky91]

Germany and Belgium ban dutch visitors from any christmas shopping in their nations

and Netherlands wants to ban german and belgian visitors from christmas holidays in our nation too

[arista]

Hogmanay events cancelled as Covid rules tightened

Scotland Get's Tough

[Edinburgh's Hogmanay street party has been cancelled
and football matches will be effectively
spectator-free as part of tough new Covid rules in Scotland.]

[The new restrictions come into force on Boxing Day.]

From the 27th of Dec : Table service Only.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-59745262

[Zizu]

so if 'loads' are and it is being taken off twitter why haven't they gone to the papers?


That’s exactly what I said ..



The annoying thing is he’s a deputy head and scaring half the damn staff as he’s so well respected


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[arista]

Tuesday 21/12/21

172 have Died
90,629 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,801

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
859

147,261 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Alf]

Hogmanay events cancelled as Covid rules tightened

Scotland Get's Tough

[Edinburgh's Hogmanay street party has been cancelled
and football matches will be effectively
spectator-free as part of tough new Covid rules in Scotland.]

[The new restrictions come into force on Boxing Day.]

From the 27th of Dec : Table service Only.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-59745262What about Jools Holland, is he allowed to have his new year's party? Or don't the rules affect him?

[AnnieK]

What about Jools Holland, is he allowed to have his new year's party? Or don't the rules affect him?

Considering its pre-recorded in early December, I would say yes, he's allowed his party

[Alf]

Considering its pre-recorded in early December, I would say yes, he's allowed his partyPre-recorded? The conning git. I won't be trusting his countdown to new year anymore.

[Alf]

Considering its pre-recorded in early December, I would say yes, he's allowed his partyIf it is pre-recorded in December then he still shouldn't be having his party. Nothing but a super spreader event by the BBC.

[AnnieK]

Pre-recorded? The conning git. I won't be trusting his countdown to new year anymore.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.radiotimes.com/tv/entertainment/is-jools-hollands-annual-hootenanny-live-where-filmed/amp/

[arista]

What about Jools Holland, is he allowed to have his new year's party? Or don't the rules affect him?

Sure
its in the Can.

[Alf]

I shall be seeing in my New year with a bottle of Glenfiddich and a Still Game Hogmanay double bill.

[arista]

Pre-recorded? The conning git. I won't be trusting his countdown to new year anymore.

No, that was clever.

[Cherie]

Tuesday 14/12/21

150 have Died
59,610 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,672

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
900

146,627 UK total of Covid-19 Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Tuesday 21/12/21

172 have Died
90,629 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,801

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
859

147,261 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


.

[Alf]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.radiotimes.com/tv/entertainment/is-jools-hollands-annual-hootenanny-live-where-filmed/amp/Con artists, the lot of em'

[arista]

Con artists, the lot of em'


No, During Covid Times
they need to pre-record.


Its most logical.

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ResignSturgeon?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ResignSturgeon</a> <a href="https://t.co/Mjcc6btg12">pic.twitter.com/Mjcc6btg12</a></p>&mdash; 𝗠𝗶𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗲𝗹 (@SeafarerMichael) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeafarerMichael/status/1473302504066719751?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[AnnieK]

Con artists, the lot of em'

:laugh:

[Cherie]

So I make that 25ish a day going into hosp either with covid or because of covid in the last week and nobody going on a ventilator?

And we have been on 50k a day infections since late Nov

[Alf]

No, During Covid Times
they need to pre-record.


Its most logical.Until you learn to say enough is enough, it will always be Covid times. I told you this last March when it was 2 weeks to flatten the curve.

[Nicky91]

No, During Covid Times
they need to pre-record.


Its most logical.

yes same in my nation

most of our reality tv game shows such as expeditie robinson, the mole all get pre-recorded, with final episodes in empty studio's with double negative pcr testing + 1.5 social distancing from each other


as for foreign locations, production and host scout ahead where it is easiest to manage under covid protocols

[arista]

Yet Another Downing Street Statement by the PM Johnson.


Nothing before Xmas he says

After Xmas he says he can not Rule Anything Out.

________________________


We Knew all this PM.

[Zizu]

Statutory Sick Pay Rebate
is back


Grants up to £6,000
many are saying its not enough.



[The chancellor also announced an extra £30m to help theatres and museums.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59742884



[Echoing Prime Minister Boris Johnson's comments
on Monday,
Mr Sunak said ministers were keeping the situation
under review and monitoring the data
"day-by-day, hour by hour" but ruling nothing out.]


Did the government ever recover the millions ( billions?) thieved in all the fraudulent claims from last time ?


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[arista]

Did the government ever recover the millions ( billions?) thieved in all the fraudulent claims from last time ?



Some of it has been Recovered
but sadly not all of it.

[Zizu]

They are going to lock us down after Boxing Day aren't they, then they can claim you got a better Christmas than last year .... despite the uncertainty hanging over everyone :idc:


That would probably suit most people but maybe not all the ones who need to go out every night until Jan 1st boozing to have a good time ..


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[arista]

Yet Another Downing Street Statement by the PM Johnson.


Nothing before Xmas he says

After Xmas he says he can not Rule Anything Out.

________________________


We Knew all this PM.

Posting again

The Video of him


https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-says-no-further-restrictions-before-christmas-but-situation-remains-finely-balanced-due-to-omicron-12501575

[Alf]

Did the government ever recover the millions ( billions?) thieved in all the fraudulent claims from last time ?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProThe aim is to crash the current financial system. You're gonna be chipped and your finances will be digital and controlled by the government.

It ain't rocket science.

[Vanessa]

Oh well, if I can't go out there's always Netflix

[Zizu]

So I make that 25ish a day going into hosp either with covid or because of covid in the last week and nobody going on a ventilator?

And we have been on 50k a day infections since late Nov


There’s a two week delay from contracting it till hospitalisations .. then a further delay for deaths though


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[arista]

SkyNewsHD


The Scottish Reporter
is at that Stage in Edinburgh
now being taken down.


The SNP Leader does not want Omicron - Super Spreaders

[Zizu]

Yet Another Downing Street Statement by the PM Johnson.


Nothing before Xmas he says

After Xmas he says he can not Rule Anything Out.

________________________


We Knew all this PM.


Do we know what the changes may be ??


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[Zizu]

.


30,000 or 50% increase in infections over a 7 day period !!


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[arista]

Do we know what the changes may be ??




No they are secret.

Also Parliament needs to be open
29th Weds many reporters are saying.


To debate and vote in.

[Cherie]

There’s a two week delay from contracting it till hospitalisations .. then a further delay for deaths though


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we are already at 3 weeks? so I would expect averaging 50K infections a day for the last 3 weeks to see more admissions?

[Zizu]

Google translate: But as soon as unsubstantiated bollocks is posted on social media it is rightly removed.


Really !?

Yet they can’t monitor the ‘inappropriate’ porn sites and the dark web ?


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[Zizu]

Heard one of those friend of a friend rumours last night..

Apparently loads and loads of young people (under 35) are having strokes and / or blood clots after having a vaccine jab BUT as soon as it’s reported on social media the authorities take it down ...


One of our friends is seriously scared now despite all our reasoning and reassurances .

It sounds like a load of complete bollox to me plus the idea of the government having a system in place to delete any damaging rumours also seems preposterous


Thoughts please .. or any arguments we can use to try and calm her down

Thanks


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Any more thoughts on this matter ?


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[Zizu]

we are already at 3 weeks? so I would expect averaging 50K infections a day for the last 3 weeks to see more admissions?


We are not three weeks into the massive increases though


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[Cherie]

Wednesday 3/11/21

217 have Died
41,299 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
9,538

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
1,030


140,964 Total UK Deaths

numbers from 7 weeks ago? but hospital admissions are dropping?

[Crimson Dynamo]

any more thoughts on this matter ?


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all you have to do with what you posted is isolate one word



"Apparently"

[Zizu]

all you have to do with what you posted is isolate one word



"Apparently"


I was hoping you’d all give me some facts or links to counter argue the claims


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[Zizu]

Wednesday 3/11/21

217 have Died
41,299 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
9,538

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
1,030


140,964 Total UK Deaths

numbers from 7 weeks ago? but hospital admissions are dropping?


On the face of it THAT looks good but I’ll be happier if that’s the same in three weeks or so when the massive new wave has gone through its full cycle


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[Alf]

Omicron is just a cold. Change my mind.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I was hoping you’d all give me some facts or links to counter argue the claims


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You cannot counter-argue unsubstantiated claims

because they are unsubstantiated

The whole basis for their status is where they came from



"Its going to snow in Falkirk on Christmas day, 6 inches"

really who said so?


"The Met Office" - so if we find out it is the UKMO then we know it has a good chance of happening

or

"Dianne Abbot was on GMB and she said it"

then we know for sure its utter bollocks

[Cherie]

Also where are the 700 or so people who are dying each week ...dying...a drop of 40 in ICU from last week even if they all died that leaves 640 who died elsewhere....care homes? .

[Crimson Dynamo]

GhquwpzcP_M

[bots]

can we all accept now that the infection rate has pretty much peaked and the hospitals are not being over run. Therefore there is no need for further restrictions

[bots]

Scotland hasn't cancelled Hogmanay Arista, they have cancelled an edinburgh street party

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nichola jumped the shark today.

She has signed her own demise with scandalous scaremongering. Literally repeating the
same mistakes from last year and pissing on anyone who went out of the way to get
vaccinated

Fear

of

blame

[user104658]

Also where are the 700 or so people who are dying each week ...dying...a drop of 40 in ICU from last week even if they all died that leaves 640 who died elsewhere....care homes? .


This is silly even for you Cherie - there’s a constant rotation of people in and out of ICU every day, some new people in some out (either dead or recovered). It’s not the same people. There’s a drop of 40 total but that could mean that 400 left ICU (by whatever means) and 360 entirely new patients entered ICU.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"What this means is that people can go ahead with their Christmas plans"


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/21/17/52071433-10333245-image-a-1_1640106469858.jpg

this is where we are now

this fkng twat actually thinks he has the power to change peoples Christmas plans with their own families

Its gone beyond parody now

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10332957/Ricky-Gervais-slams-Covid-rule-breaking-Tories-acting-like-Charlie-Sheen.html

EXCLUSIVE 'When are we going to stop "went to Eton" as a qualification to run
the country?': Ricky Gervais slams Covid rule-breaking Tories

[Zizu]

Sooooo what is the deal with mask wearing in shops / supermarkets in England ??

I thought they were compulsory by law currently but we’ve been here and there ( gtr manchester ) over the past four days and there was only me and the wife ( maybe a few more ) wearing face coverings . None of the staff not even in the medium sized Tesco .


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Sooooo what is the deal with mask wearing in shops / supermarkets in England ??

I thought they were compulsory by law currently but we’ve been here and there ( gtr manchester ) over the past four days and there was only me and the wife ( maybe a few more ) wearing face coverings . None of the staff not even in the medium sized Tesco .


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well if the vaccines dont work then masks certainly dont

[Cherie]

This is silly even for you Cherie - there’s a constant rotation of people in and out of ICU every day, some new people in some out (either dead or recovered). It’s not the same people. There’s a drop of 40 total but that could mean that 400 left ICU (by whatever means) and 360 entirely new patients entered ICU.

You could have explained that without the nasty implication

The numbers still dont stack up imo

900 we were told were being admitted every day

[Cherie]

"What this means is that people can go ahead with their Christmas plans"


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/21/17/52071433-10333245-image-a-1_1640106469858.jpg

this is where we are now

this fkng twat actually thinks he has the power to change peoples Christmas plans with their own families

Its gone beyond parody now



Most of these people opining on TV have gone power mad

[AnnieK]

Sooooo what is the deal with mask wearing in shops / supermarkets in England ??

I thought they were compulsory by law currently but we’ve been here and there ( gtr manchester ) over the past four days and there was only me and the wife ( maybe a few more ) wearing face coverings . None of the staff not even in the medium sized Tesco .


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Not sure where you have been out in Manchester Zizu but I have been all over in the past couple of days. Trafford centre yesterday, 90% wearing masks, my local Tesco (South Manchester - the security guard reminds you when you walk in, most people wear them) and I was at my Dads yesterday (North Manchester) and went to his local Asda and pretty much everyone wearing masks, staff included. The main place people seem to be failing to comply is on public transport. I see buses go past when I'm in my office and very few people seem to be wearing them on there

[bots]

my experience is that > 95% of people are wearing masks where they have been mandated. To me that is a fantastic response. I think if they were to bring further restrictions in there would be a lot of outrage and i can sympathise with that. If we get further restrictions like is happening in scotland what was the point in getting a booster at all. I think there will be massive political fallout

[Zizu]

well if the vaccines dont work then masks certainly dont


That has nothing to do with my point about mask wearing and the LAW to be fair

It is apparently LAW not just a suggestion but nobody seems bothered ... sooo I’m thinking that if everyone disregards this law then will they take any notice of any further regulation changes


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[Zizu]

Not sure where you have been out in Manchester Zizu but I have been all over in the past couple of days. Trafford centre yesterday, 90% wearing masks, my local Tesco (South Manchester - the security guard reminds you when you walk in, most people wear them) and I was at my Dads yesterday (North Manchester) and went to his local Asda and pretty much everyone wearing masks, staff included. The main place people seem to be failing to comply is on public transport. I see buses go past when I'm in my office and very few people seem to be wearing them on there


Bolton and surrounding area


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[Zizu]

Maybe our majority in our area are just sick and tired of everything .. the NW have possibly been one the the worst hit areas over the last 21 months or so ( maybe THE worst taking an average). It feels like we had a small window of where things didn’t seem too horrendous about 6 months ago .


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[Zizu]

Nice shot of the Sunderland faithful. &lt;1% of people masked. Does anyone wonder why Omicron is rampant in England ATM?

Practically zero mask wearing up Sunderland wavy as well ?


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[arista]

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[arista]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-b337e558-3ba0-4a32-bf42-33b5880bef8d.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[arista]

CNN HD Live

The NYC Mayor is giving anyone $100
to get the 3rd vaccine.

Life In The City.

[thesheriff443]

Don’t know if this was posted,

Nine out of ten patients in intensive care with covid are unvaccinated and beg for the vaccine

[Zizu]

Don’t know if this was posted,

Nine out of ten patients in intensive care with covid are unvaccinated and beg for the vaccine


They should show them on telly to help get the message across


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[thesheriff443]

They should show them on telly to help get the message across


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Unfortunately you would still get people saying it’s actors working for the government

[Alf]

Don’t know if this was posted,

Nine out of ten patients in intensive care with covid are unvaccinated and beg for the vaccineWent around and counted them all did you?

[Alf]

They should show them on telly to help get the message across


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProIf it were true then they would.

[Alf]

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[bots]

yeah it's the same here. They made a law making covid passports mandatory and yet anyone can catch and pass on omicron or delta ... it serves no purpose .... i cannot deal with the mindless stupidity of the people in charge

[Alf]

mZ6vxCC_SYk

[Nicky91]

Germany going for stricter measures as of December 28th + a fireworks ban, only one place for fireworks and that is at silvesterparty at brandenburger tor

https://www.thelocal.de/20211221/germany-agrees-tougher-covid-restrictions-from-december-28th/


German Chancellor Olaf Scholz outlined new Covid restrictions to come into force after Christmas, including a cap on the number of people who can socialise and the closure of nightclubs.

Following a meeting with German state leaders on Tuesday, Chancellor Scholz announced contact restrictions would also affect people who are vaccinated or have recovered from Covid-19.

He said private gatherings would be limited to 10 people from December 28th. Children under 14 are not included.

The contact restrictions already in force for the unvaccinated will remain. People who choose not to get vaccinated are allowed to meet with their own household and a max of two people from another household.

“This is not the time for parties and cosy evenings with lots of people,” Scholz said, adding: “I would have liked to share more pleasant news just before the holidays.”

Meanwhile, Germany will ban spectators from large sporting and cultural events also from December 28th. “This applies in particular to football games,” Scholz added.

Nightclubs and discos will also have to close. As agreed at a previous round of talks earlier in December, the sale of fireworks for New Year’s Eve will be banned.

The measures agreed match those put forward in the draft proposals from Monday.

Chancellor Scholz said the measures already put in place in Germany – such as the nationwide restrictions on the unvaccinated – have been successful, and that is shown by the falling number of Covid infections.

But he said said there was a new challenge in the form of the Omicron variant.

Scholz said the aim was to “prepare Germany for the next corona wave”.

He said he understood people who don’t want to hear anything more “about corona, about mutations and new virus variants. But we cannot and must not close our eyes to the wave that is about to come.”

Scholz added: “Even those who have been vaccinated twice and those who have recovered run a high risk of becoming infected.”

Earlier in the day, Germany’s Robert Koch Institute (RKI) had called for tougher measures, including contact restrictions and the closure of restaurants, bars and clubs, to be introduced “immediately”.

But the government and state leaders have gone against this call.

Scholz said past experience had shown events like Christmas and Easter were not proven to be pandemic drivers, and that is why restrictions would come into force after Christmas.

He said people in Germany could enjoy the holiday season with caution and regular Covid testing.

However, states can choose to go further than the restrictions agreed at the federal level. The city state of Hamburg earlier on Tuesday announced it was to bring in Covid restrictions from December 24th.

Scholz said vaccination “remains our goal” so that as many people as possible are protected from Omicron. He said Germany’s target was to reach a vaccination rate of 80 percent. As of Tuesday, 70.4 percent of the population in Germany is fully vaccinated.

The next round of federal and state talks is scheduled to take place at the beginning of January.
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[thesheriff443]

Went around and counted them all did you?

No Alf , it’ comes from a doctor

And if admissions are high but the death rate is low compared to when there was no vaccination it tells you all you need to know.

[Nicky91]

Scholz also called for neighbouring countries to go for the same strict measures, specifically Belgium's government

[Alf]

No Alf , it’ comes from a doctor

And if admissions are high but the death rate is low compared to when there was no vaccination it tells you all you need to know.Who was this doctor? Did this doctor go around and count them all? Why is this doctor giving out people's private medical information?

[bots]

Who was this doctor? Did this doctor go around and count them all? Why is this doctor giving out people's private medical information?

all the published data shows a drop in hospitalisation and death for those vaccinated Alf. Feel free to ignore that as you always do

[thesheriff443]

Who was this doctor? Did this doctor go around and count them all? Why is this doctor giving out people's private medical information?

It’s not private, it’s numbers Alf

[Alf]

It’s not private, it’s numbers AlfBut if dishonest people are the ones doing those numbers, then those numbers can be cooked.

[Alf]

all the published data shows a drop in hospitalisation and death for those vaccinated Alf. Feel free to ignore that as you always doI don't ignore it. If I was ignoring it I wouldn't be here questioning it.

[thesheriff443]

But if dishonest people are the ones doing those numbers, then those numbers can be cooked.

Alf use your noodle

Admissions up death rate down why is that

Why do you think the government are at loggerheads with the heads of medical science

Medical professionals are there to save life not to worry about getting re election

[Alf]

Alf use your noodle

Admissions up death rate down why is that

Why do you think the government are at loggerheads with the heads of medical science

Medical professionals are there to save life not to worry about getting re electionIt's because I use my noodle that I don't just accept the word of people I don't know and instead like to question things that don't sound right.

[thesheriff443]

It's because I use my noodle that I don't just accept the word of people I don't know and instead like to question things that don't sound right.

I trust the word of science and the men and women that knows science more than that of a political party

I believe in science more than I believe in god

[thesheriff443]

Do people actually think the way to control people is bring a country to its knees
Put us into a black hole that will take years to get out of

[Alf]

I trust the word of science and the men and women that knows science more than that of a political party

I believe in science more than I believe in godYou trust the word of some scientists but not all.

If science can't be questioned then it's not science.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Latest data minus any scaremongering for money or status


I cant post it properly as it uses 2 = signs in the url for some reason but link below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDhIL9o3vHg&t=999s

[thesheriff443]

You trust the word of some scientists but not all.

If science can't be questioned then it's not science.

Nothing wrong with questioning science but there comes a point when you have to accept the facts.

[bots]

Latest data minus any scaremongering for money or status


I cant post it properly as it uses 2 = signs in the url for some reason but link below



your link had a time start in it which was the problem

GDhIL9o3vHg

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nigel spitting facts

FxRvsrYGbX4

[arista]

Tony Blair on Times Radio
has stated folks like Alf
are "Idiots."

That is what he calls all fit people against Vaccines.

[arista]

[Nigel spitting facts]


Yes, the Temp hospitals should have been kept.
Valid point Nigel.

The problem is he goes back in time, too much.
You have to stay up to date

He is not running as a Political Leader
so very easy for him to attack the PM.

[Cherie]

An ICT nurse has just been on JOB on LBC saying England are doing the right thing, hospital admissions are in a far better place then they were this time last year, I think we can all see that with our own eyes, reducing the isolation period to 7 days with a lateral flow on day 6 and 7 will help as well workforce wise

[Josy]

Don’t know if this was posted,



Nine out of ten patients in intensive care with covid are unvaccinated and beg for the vaccineWhere did you see this info?

[arista]

Where did you see this info?


It was in The Sun newspaper

Mostly people in their 20's

[bots]

It was in The Sun newspaper

Mostly people in their 20's

i wouldn't trust the media at all, let alone the Sun. If i see scientific data saying the same i will be more inclined to trust it

[Crimson Dynamo]

Where did you see this info?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/17110691/unvaccinated-covid-intensive-care/

[Alf]

Where did you see this info?Was on the telly wasn't it


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[arista]

The Wales Leader is live on all 3 News Channels

[Josy]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/17110691/unvaccinated-covid-intensive-care/Thank you

[arista]

Message from Tony Blair

to Alf

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1473629757048823812

[thesheriff443]

A friend of a friend who is a anti vaxer her son who works in a garden centre has been told if he doesn’t get the vaccine he doesn’t have a job.

[arista]

1473628552167841792

[Alf]

Message from Tony Blair

to Alf

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1473629757048823812Is that the fella who killed many, many people on a lie?

Has he found those weapons of mass destruction yet?

I don't take advice from people who should be spending the rest of their life in prison.

War criminal.

[arista]

A friend of a friend who is a anti vaxer her son who works in a garden centre has been told if he doesn’t get the vaccine he doesn’t have a job.


Yes that Fair enough.

We must Get Tough on this.

[arista]

Is that the fella who killed many, many people on a lie?

Has he found those weapons of mass destruction yet?

I don't take advice from people who should be spending the rest of their life in prison.

War criminal.


Yes Iraq War PM
he was wrong on that.


But Right on
Non vaccine Folks are Idiots

[Alf]

Yes Iraq War PM
he was wrong on that.


But Right on
Non vaccine Folks are IdiotsBut the vaccines have proved to be useless. That il divo guy died from Covid and he was fully vaxed. And we only know about that one because he's in the public eye. How many more are there?

[Alf]

I heard that Queen guitarist Brian May is struggling with Covid. So is he not vaxed or are the vaccines useless?

[arista]

But the vaccines have proved to be useless. That il divo guy died from Covid and he was fully vaxed. And we only know about that one because he's in the public eye. How many more are there?


Yes sadly some do Die.
Depending on their health

[Alf]

Explain this one

You had to be vaxed and test negative to get on this cruise ship. So what happened here? 98% of them were fully vaxed which means they'd had their booster.


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[arista]

Explain this one

You had to be vaxed and test negative to get on this cruise ship. So what happened here?


1473331780476407821


One Dodgy member of Staff
could have brought it, onto the ship.

[Alf]

As the vaccines are inaffective it tells me that all this pushing of them is not actually about the vaccine but it's about making everyone get the Vaccine passport. They can't move on with their next part of the "Great Reset" until everyone has the vaccine passport.

That's why people like Blair is showing desperation by calling people idiots. These people are panicking and it's gonna be fun to watch the lengths they're gonna go to before their narrative falls flat on its arse.

Certification of vaccination identification = Covid

[bots]

As the vaccines are inaffective it tells me that all this pushing of them is not actually about the vaccine but it's about making everyone get the Vaccine passport. They can't move on with their next part of the "Great Reset" until everyone has the vaccine passport.

That's why people like Blair is showing desperation by calling people idiots. These people are panicking and it's gonna be fun to watch the lengths they're gonna go to before their narrative falls flat on its arse.

Certification of vaccination identification = Covid

the vaccines are very effective at stopping hospitalisations and deaths. Funny you keep ignoring that over and over again

[Alf]

the vaccines are very effective at stopping hospitalisations and deaths. Funny you keep ignoring that over and over againI'm not ignoring it, I just don't believe it. I just think people not being ill is keeping them out of hospital and not dying.

[Alf]

Every year lots of people are hospitalised and die with the flu. Like I keep asking, where are those numbers now?

[Alf]

So they can accommodate the homeless, but they don't. But they will if they take the vaccine. Nothing like a bit of desperation bribery.


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[arista]

China:

143 Cases in China

13 Million Xi'an City in Strict Lockdown
A City not far from the Olympics

52 new Omicron cases today

Every 2 days one person only can buy shopping.



BBC Reporter

[bots]

China:

143 Cases in China

13 Million Xi'an City in Strict Lockdown
A City not far from the Olympics

52 new Omicron cases today

Every 2 days one person only can buy shopping.



BBC Reporter

so 26 million days between shopping trips? :laugh:

[arista]

so 26 million days between shopping trips? :laugh:


Something like that


https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/coronavirus-chinese-city-of-xian-locks-down-13-million-residents-to-fight-covid-outbreak-2665333

[arista]

[COVID-19: Israel to offer fourth coronavirus vaccine
dose to over-60s,
saying it is first nation set to roll it out
It comes as the first known death of a patient
with the Omicron strain was confirmed in
Israel on Tuesday.]



https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-israel-to-offer-fourth-vaccine-dose-to-over-60s-saying-it-is-first-nation-to-roll-it-out-12501771

[Beso]

So it's now 7 days isolation, instead of ten.


Auntie omicrom ain't ****.

[arista]

Novavax is Protein-Based vaccine
it is hoped that will help more Anti Vaxxers to take it
in the EU.

[The European Commission authorised on Monday
the use of the USA-based Novavax Covid-19 vaccine
in the EU for people 18 and over, paving the way
for a fifth coronavirus jab in the region as the
Omicron variant spreads.
"With five approved vaccines,
the EU has a varied portfolio,
based both on novel technologies,
such as mRNA, and classic ones,
like Novavax, which is protein-based,"
the head of the European Commission,
Ursula von der Leyen, said on Twitter.]

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211220-eu-medical-regulator-backs-novavax-as-bloc-s-fifth-vaccine-against-covid-19


The CEO was on CNN HD Business Hour
yesterday.

[arista]

So it's now 7 days isolation, instead of ten.


Auntie omicrom ain't ****.


Yes so long as you take 2 Tests.


Some Zones have now run out of Tests.

[arista]

[ Welsh First Minister
Mark Drakeford announced
a wave of new Covid curbs coming
into force on Boxing Day
Measures will ban large
indoor/outdoor gatherings
while rule of six and table service
will be imposed on pubs
Social distancing will return
and people are being advised to limit household
mixing as much as possible
Moves will pile pressure on Boris Johnson
as he considers whether or not
to impose more curbs in England]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10335633/Mark-Drakeford-set-post-Christmas-coronavirus-curbs.html

[Cherie]

Hold firm Bojo

[bots]

106,122 infections today

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hold firm Bojo

he will cave

he already has laid the foundations

[Cherie]

he will cave

he already has laid the foundations

yeah I think so too

[Liam-]

Good on Drakeford

[bots]

i think its inevitable he will try an implement restrictions, but if enough tories vote against it, they wont be implemented ..... I think politically its a knife edge moment, so many people dont want restrictions

[Cherie]

Good on Drakeford

Yay I am sure all the businesses are saying the same :skull:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Good on Drakeford

the man is an imbecille

[arista]

Wednesday 22/12/21

140 have Died
106,122 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,008

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
849


147,573 Total UK Deaths of Covid-19


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

No official update on 25 and 26 December 2021

The COVID-19 dashboard will not be updated
on Saturday 25 and Sunday 26 December 2021.
Daily reporting will resume on Monday 27 December 2021.
The availability of data will vary
over the festive period.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/whats-new/record/863ee4e6-faae-4c30-a935-431bc02640d9

[joeysteele]

Good on Drakeford

I like Drakeford, he seems to really think things through.

[bots]

No official update on 25 and 26 December 2021

The COVID-19 dashboard will not be updated
on Saturday 25 and Sunday 26 December 2021.
Daily reporting will resume on Monday 27 December 2021.
The availability of data will vary
over the festive period.


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/whats-new/record/863ee4e6-faae-4c30-a935-431bc02640d9

you can have a couple of days off :dance:

[arista]

I think its inevitable he will try an implement restrictions, but if enough tories vote against it, they wont be implemented ..... I think politically its a knife edge moment, so many people dont want restrictions



Again Labour will Vote it in.

[bots]

Again Labour will Vote it in.

that wont matter if there are enough tories voting against, and it will also see the end of Boris as leader. Games within games

[Alf]

you can have a couple of days off :dance:He can spend that time doing the flu data.

[Liam-]

I like Drakeford, he seems to really think things through.

He’s very measured and acts when he needs to and when he does act, he’s very clear on what needs to be done

[Vanessa]

I think we will probably have a lockdown soon.

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🚨🚨 Mark Drakeford - ‘Sickness levels in the Welsh NHS are up this week not hugely... It's been running just over 7% unable to be in work’<br><br>FACT CHECK<br><br>➡️ 0.74% of NHS staff off sick with Covid19 and 0.85% off through self isolation - both down on previous pandemic peaks ❌ <a href="https://t.co/7jzgbwI5cb">pic.twitter.com/7jzgbwI5cb</a></p>&mdash; Jamie Jenkins (@statsjamie) <a href="https://twitter.com/statsjamie/status/1473654024817758216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">💬💬 ‘What gets reported by alot of the newspapers is the worst case scenario... [people] see the worst case scenario and think that's the actual scenario’<br><br>➡️ My criticism of some in the media who use SAGE models to put fear into the public. <a href="https://t.co/4sRoLNcMaJ">pic.twitter.com/4sRoLNcMaJ</a></p>&mdash; Jamie Jenkins (@statsjamie) <a href="https://twitter.com/statsjamie/status/1473588531926863875?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


This is exactly like when news media say "-12C and 6 inches of snow next
week" when the actual news is -12 C and 6 inches of snow 3000 feet up in
the North Scottish mountains but rain and 5 C in Glasgow, 7 C and rain in
Manchester and 10 C and showers in LOndon

[arista]

I think we will probably have a lockdown soon.


Maybe.


Johnson has to get a Vote in Parliament
Most of his MP's will not back it,
however, Labour Party will, again, back his plan
giving all their votes to get it through.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Listen to what Scott Morrison the Oz leader has to say about Covid now - you will find this interesting for sure:

it starts at 2.20

LVl5OkHcvf4

[arista]

Northern Ireland Ministers are now talking
on SkyNewsHD

They warn Omicron will soon expand,

Limits are now to 3 households
26th Night Clubs will be Closed

[Crimson Dynamo]

Northern Ireland Ministers are now talking
both news channels.

They warn Omicron will soon expand,

Limits are now to 3 households
26th Night Clubs will be Closed

"They warn Omicron will soon expand,"

Its already all over the world and the dominant strain in the UK

I hope they did not make such an ill-informed ridiculous remark?

[Alf]

I reckon Schools are gonna be closed in January. Destroying children.

You tolerated this that's why your children are next.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHNlsZbXEAEAheb?format=jpg&name=small

[Crimson Dynamo]

We are heading for a face off between real world data and Sage modelling

Now that the government has refused to call a lockdown, SAGE scenarios can
be measured against the real-world outcomes

How the left loves trying to establish the narrative that we have a Government of charlatans pitched against the collected
wisdom of scientists. Yet the real schism lies within science, between the modellers and those who prefer to read real world
evidence. With hospitalisations failing to rise at anything like the rate feared a few days ago, and with the UK Health Security
Agency poised to announce that yes, omicron does indeed cause milder disease than earlier variants, it feels as if we are
heading for the denouement, the gunfight at the OK Corrall, at which one side will win the decisive battle and the other side
be humbled.

When omicron first emerged in South Africa a month ago two things seemed immediately apparent: firstly that this variant was
a lot more transmissible than earlier variants, and secondly, that it was causing milder illness. Indeed, it was the unexpected
mildness of the symptoms which first drew doctors’ attention to the possibility that this could be a new variant – something
which was then rapidly confirmed by the country’s excellent facilities for sequencing the virus.

What was anecdotal at first was soon confirmed by real data. A presentation last week by the South African Medical Research
Council and Discovery Health, one of South Africa’s large healthcare providers, showed that the omicron wave was evolving
very differently from earlier waves. The infection was spreading faster, but hospitalisations were not responding to anything
like the same extent as they were during the alpha and delta waves.

Yet in Britain this evidence went largely ignored. Instead, Sage’s modellers – first the London School of Hygiene and Tropical
Medicine (LSHTM) and then Imperial College – put out terrifying projections showing hospitalisations and deaths possibly rising
to even higher levels than they during April 2020 or last January’s peak. LSHTM produced a scenario which showed
hospitalisations rising to a peak of 7190 a day in January – 60 percent higher than last year.

Meanwhile, Professor Neil Ferguson of Imperial College suggested there could be 5,000 omicron deaths a day this winter
without more restrictions.

Sage spokespeople, opposition parties and some government minsters panicked and wanted to throw the country into
immediate lockdown, with all the economic and social havoc that entails. Fortunately, however, a sceptical quorum of cabinet
ministers wanted to know more. Among the questions I am sure they will have asked at Monday’s cabinet meeting is: why did
the modellers ignore the emerging evidence from South Africa that omicron caused a milder disease? Both LSHTM and
Imperial’s models assumed that the new variant was every bit as deadly as delta – and they didn’t model the possibility that
it might be rather less so.

Does this make the sceptical cabinet ministers anti-science? Hardly. It just
means they had the confidence to ask the right questions and realise that different scientists were painting very different stories. Angelique Coetzee
certainly wouldn’t
appreciate being called ‘anti-science’. She is the South African doctor who
discovered omicron and who has consistently
warned that European countries are over-reacting to the threat posed by the
variant and that they are wrong to distrust data
from South Africa.

She and Sage’s models can’t both be right. We are not yet at the end of the
story – far from it – but if we do have a massive peak of hospitalisations and
deaths over the next month, surpassing that of previous waves, then we will
have to respect Sage’s modelling. If not, there will be nowhere for those
modellers to hide – given that the government has refused to call a
lockdown, their scenarios can be measured against the real-world outcome.
If omicron fizzles into relatively little, as it already appears to be doing in
South Africa, the government will have to start asking: is Sage, and its
fixation on modelling, fit for purpose?

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=379072

[Cherie]

Unbelievable that Professor pantsdown who ignored his own lockdown is still advising

[Crimson Dynamo]

Unbelievable that Professor pantsdown who ignored his own lockdown is still advising

he is a danger to society

[bots]

they got the modelling on coming out of lockdown earlier in the year completely wrong too. It's not like the modellers have a great track record to date

[Cherie]

as someone who rang LBC today said, not one Sage adviser has lost a pay check or suffered a sleepless night over their business

[joeysteele]

He’s very measured and acts when he needs to and when he does act, he’s very clear on what needs to be done

I agree.
I like his candid, no nonsense and measured responses to this.
He's been like that all through for me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I agree.
I like his candid, no nonsense and measured responses to this.
He's been like that all through for me.

he has time and again been proven to act without evidence and base his decisions on poor modeling

he is a headless chicken making decisions based on fear of blame and not science or evidence

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dan's bang on, strgeon and her equally deranged partner in crime mark drayford are destroying their countries economies to pick a political fight, it's shameful. <a href="https://t.co/v4QqKIqGBx">https://t.co/v4QqKIqGBx</a></p>&mdash; freddiemac (@freddiemac1) <a href="https://twitter.com/freddiemac1/status/1473713523100377088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Zizu]

as someone who rang LBC today said, not one Sage adviser has lost a pay check or suffered a sleepless night over their business


I would imagine the Sage advisors could possibly be having many more sleepless nights than any of us given they know far more facts than us


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[Zizu]

90,000 on Saturday suggests that Tuesday’s will be well over 100,000 !!


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I wasn’t far off


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[arista]

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[Zizu]

Mildly humerus :)

The Rossoneri had confirmed the news in a statement, declaring: "Covid-19 has tested positive for Zlatan Ibrahimović following a second round of swab tests ahead of tonight's game against Bodø/Glimt.”


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[bots]

Biden said on a recent TV interview, how could anyone predict there would be a new covid variant. What planet is he on?

[AnnieK]

I just found out one of my oldest friends dad has died. He contracted Covid 7 weeks ago, was hospitalised but getting better....then got pneumonia and clots on his lungs and the rest of his organs failed. Sad times :sad:

[bots]

So many families have a sad tale to tell Annie, it's heart breaking.

[MTVN]

Biden said on a recent TV interview, how could anyone predict there would be a new covid variant. What planet is he on?

We think Boris is a bit of a bumbling idiot when it comes to covid but he's got nothing on Biden. Americans think it amazing that we can test ourselves whenever and as much as we like, they have to stand in massive queues if they want to get tested

[Cherie]

AZ says 3 doses of its vaccine works well against Omicrom.

Another round of vaccinations incoming :laugh:

[arista]

AZ says 3 doses of its vaccine works well against Omicrom.

Another round of vaccinations incoming :laugh:




Except for our Alf of tibb.

[Alf]

Except for our Alf of tibb.With the amount of alcohol I'll be putting into my body over the next two weeks who needs vaccines?

[arista]

Live Debate on LBC

Why are 5 Million refusing Vaccines?

[Alf]

Live Debate on LBC

Why are 5 Million refusing Vaccines?Answer: They probably don't watch the mainstream news.

[arista]

Answer:They probably don't watch the mainstream news.


They Do
but they go off
on a tangent

[Alf]

Also, lots of religious people in our country who don't believe in vaccines.

If the vaccine peddlers are saying it's only 5 million, then you can probably double that and it's probably more like 10 million.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Live Debate on LBC

Why are 5 Million refusing Vaccines?

probably because the government dont believe in their own advice

and we have had countless examples

[user104658]

So we have two papers saying hospitalisation risk is 40% lower, one saying 50% lower, and one saying 2/3 (66%) lower. :think: are they getting different data or are the people interpreting it incompetent?

[bots]

in south africa the figure is 70%, but that doesn't fit with the lockdown story they all want to pitch

[Cherie]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dan's bang on, strgeon and her equally deranged partner in crime mark drayford are destroying their countries economies to pick a political fight, it's shameful. <a href="https://t.co/v4QqKIqGBx">https://t.co/v4QqKIqGBx</a></p>&mdash; freddiemac (@freddiemac1) <a href="https://twitter.com/freddiemac1/status/1473713523100377088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I have thought for a while that the posturing between the nations is like a political top trumps, who can introduce the most restrictions to 'protect' their nations

[Beso]

You can blame brixton and its pastors for certain areas where anti vaxers flourish.

A remarkable 5 per cent of residents have the virus. And the high level is partly explained by the 32.4 per cent of locals who remain unvaccinated.

[bots]

The government is right not to "rush" into imposing new restrictions in England, the Labour mayor of Greater Manchester has said.

Andy Burnham told BBC Breakfast curbs would damage people's mental health and ministers had to be careful that "whatever is done is proportionate".


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has hell frozen over? :laugh:

[arista]

Thursday 23/12/21


147 have Died
119,789 Have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,216

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
842

147,720 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

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[arista]

[Scotland's nightclubs to close
for three weeks from 27 December]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59768297


[Deputy First Minister John Swinney
said a new law would require nightclubs
to close rather than have them try
to enforce 1m distancing between customers.
He said funding would be made available
to support affected businesses.]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Good on Drakeford

He’s very measured and acts when he needs to and when he does act, he’s very clear on what needs to be done

I agree.
I like his candid, no nonsense and measured responses to this.
He's been like that all through for me.

Mark Drakeford accused of lying over claim omicron is ‘probably’ as severe as delta

https://i2-prod.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article22489850.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/1_First-Minister-Mark-Drakeford-MS-visits-Coleg-Cambrias-Bersham-Road-site-in-Wrexham.jpg

Health expert attacks Welsh First Minister for ‘deceiving the public’ to justify
Covid restrictions despite studies refuting his comments

Jamie Jenkins, the former head of health analysis at the Office for National
Statistics (ONS), said that the Welsh First Minister had made an “untrue
statement with the intent to deceive” as he scrambled to justify his
coronavirus restrictions in the face of evidence that the latest Covid variant is
milder.

On Wednesday, Mr Drakeford said he did not think it is “as simple as saying
omicron is less serious than delta”.

“If you have been infected previously, it may be that it is a less severe
attack,” he told a press conference.

“If you have never had coronavirus and you get omicron, the evidence is it is
probably just as severe as any other form would be.”

His comments came despite new studies from the University of Edinburgh,
the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) and a group of South African
scientists, which all suggested that omicron produced less severe symptoms
than delta, and was between 50 and 80 per cent less likely to hospitalise
patients.

He said that the Welsh Government appeared not to have firm evidence to
support Mr Drakeford’s assertion that omicron was likely to be as severe as
delta.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/

[MTVN]

People catching Omicron are 50% to 70% less likely to need hospital care compared with previous variants, a major analysis says.

The UK Health Security Agency says its early findings are "encouraging" but the variant could still lead to large numbers of people in hospital.

It also shows the vaccine's ability to stop you catching Omicron starts to wane 10 weeks after a booster dose.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59769969

Good news but if that's the case with the booster then there really is no point bringing in restrictions as by the time we lift them a lot of people will have lost a chunk of immunity that the booster gave them

[Crimson Dynamo]

4qzKh_S4Qs0

[Cherie]

Thursday 16/12/21

146 have Died
88,376 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
7,579


Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
886


146,937 UK Total of Covid -19 deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Thursday 23/12/21


147 have Died
119,789 Have Caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
8,216

Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
842

147,720 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


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[bots]

i think the clear bottom line on this is that there is no reason to panic based on the data coming in

[arista]

Good news but if that's the case with the booster then there really is no point bringing in restrictions as by the time we lift them a lot of people will have lost a chunk of immunity that the booster gave them


Yes Good It's less going to Hospital.

But so many are at home
not able to get to work as they have tested for Covid.

So Hospitals
are in trouble, with less staff,
which means next week
Parliament could be recalled.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nhs quarantine time needs to be drastically reduced

[arista]

Nhs quarantine time needs to be drastically reduced


Yes Scotland is sticking with 10 days


UK does 7 days with 2 tests

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes scotland is sticking with 10 days


uk does 7 days with 2 tests

get it down to 1 day

[arista]

get it down to 1 day


No test's are needed
to make sure it is not active

[bots]

if the majority of patients coming into hospital have covid, it doesnt matter if nhs staff isolate or not. Provided they are not ill it wont be an issue

[arista]

Shocking Video
on Wion HD news channel
showed Nigeria chucking Covid vaccines from AstraZeneca
out of date into the ground.
Then Dug over

[arista]

[A blueprint for making millions of doses
of a new vaccine within 100 days
has been published by researchers,
who claim it could "save many lives".]

https://news.sky.com/story/new-blueprint-for-making-vaccines-within-100-days-could-save-many-lives-12501840

[arista]

Ch4HDnews
Wales has had to
Double the amount of Army
to help drive Ambulances.

So many are off with Covid.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ch4HDnews
Wales has had to
Double the amount of Army
to help drive Ambulances.

So many are off with Covid.

good use of resources

common sense

now reduce the quarantine time idiot welsh "leader"

[Crimson Dynamo]

One in three Covid patients may have caught virus in hospital - making a pointless lockdown ‘difficult
to justify’

Figures suggest large amount of transmission is on NHS wards and that many
patients are primarily being treated for other condition

Separate figures show that of more than 6,000 patients in hospitals across
England who have tested positive for coronavirus, 29 per cent of them are
primarily being treated by doctors for other conditions.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/23/one-three-covid-patients-may-have-caught-virus-hospital-making/

time to stop politicians using the NHS to be a get out of jail card for their Fear of Bleme policies?

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Johnson has Done Christmas Message
thanking the NHS.

The Labour Leader
has Piano playing in the background

[arista]

From WION HD
Speed News Ch523 on SkyHD

France has a terrible 5th wave
over 91,000 New Covid cases.

Over 179 Covid deaths in the last 24 hours.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sir Patrick Vallance said in the Times today that

It is not his job to be optimistic

:umm2:

[arista]

Sir Patrick Vallance said in the Times today that

It is not his job to be optimistic

:umm2:



Of Course
he sees what is around the corner

[Crimson Dynamo]

Of Course
he sees what is around the corner

not if is relying on his terrible modelling he does not

[arista]

not if is relying on his terrible modelling he does not


No
I mean, other nations talk to him.

[bots]

Sir Patrick Vallance said in the Times today that

It is not his job to be optimistic

:umm2:

it's his job to be as accurate as possible, if that warrants some optimism like we should be seeing now from the actual data, then he should reflect that

[Crimson Dynamo]

it's his job to be as accurate as possible, if that warrants some optimism like we should be seeing now from the actual data, then he should reflect that

good reply to that article in the DT by a lady called Caroline:

"I'm sorry, but Sir Patrick Vallance should after two years of this crisis,
understand that nothing SAGE has predicted has in fact transpired. That their
unforgivable hysteria is based on nothing more than 'maybes'. That is not
science that is scientism. For science, one needs to look to the signatories of
the Barrington Declaration published in 2020, for had their advice been
followed then, how different our lives would be now.

When the statistics and scientific data do not support what SAGE are advising
Government then why should any intelligent person believe them?

Take for instance, the last few weeks, when despite all data coming out of
South Africa showing us that Omicron is a mild variant albeit highly
transmissible, yet not causing hospitalisation in any great numbers and
hardly any deaths, this advisory body wished for this country to be locked
down again, for the second, successive Christmas.

For Patrick Vallance to try and defend these ridiculous, unscientific decisions,
just adds to the absurdity; he has to face up to the fact that for most
intelligent people SAGE was and is causing more damage to this country and
its people than the virus itself, both economically and societal. That the
Prime Minister cannot see this is beyond me.

Of course, for these members of the group, they are only relevant while this
crisis exists, and for that reason may want this situation to be extended into
yet another year of misery. We must as citizens of this great country, stand
up to this madness, while we still have a country left to save."